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minnow 
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:25 pm |
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No Jimbo...the military has changed and has even stated so publically several years back. You're thinking YOUR military from old skool dayz.
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| Post Number: 72
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Wallflower
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:38 pm |
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Sorry to you "concerned parent" it is just a breath of fresh air to see her judged as she has judged others. If you honestly feel anyone here is being harsh on her, I conclude, that you are misinformed and unaware. Had it been someone else, donna would have written an add in the paper, rented T.V. and radio time, E-mailed everyone in the district, and screamed bloody murder to anyone who was within yelling distance. I'm sorry, I DO NOT SYMPATHISE she should expect to get as she has given ..... and this is nothing, in comparison!!!! But, thanks for your opinion
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| Post Number: 73
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Ex-Cheerleader
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:42 pm |
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Im sorry... but to all the people who did not know Donna Marty. Don't say we shouldn't be in here talking about what happened. We have been kept quiet long enough by the parents who kiss Donnas butt just so their daughters can cheer, or by the administration at the high school who told me and my parents that we couldn't say things about Donna because we didnt have enough proof (even with 5-7 page letter listing events where Donna showed signs of being under the influence and verbal abuse) and that nothing could be done. Yes, Donna isnt a coach anymore but relize that she is alo involved with the marching band too... she was the colorguard coach...Yes thats right all you band parents Donna was around your kids too. and another note: None of the "ex-cheerleaders" are trying to start rumors or bash Donna Marty. For one thing all the things we are saying are truthful.. but mostly we just want people to know that this whole situation could have been avoided if people had listened to us in the first place.
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| Post Number: 74
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:49 pm |
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Minnow--I am aware that the military has changed--that's why I used PAST tense--also see the following quote from my post| Quote | | --several generations of kids endured this military service--and MUCH WORSE--and don't seem to be much the worse for it. |
I'm not advocating that we treat kids like that (though it would probably be helpful to some!)--the point is that entire generations endured much worse than "I was ridiculed, belittled, verbally abused"--and they didn't VOLUNTEER for the privilege--they were allowed to quit. Most of the kids that were drafted in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and early 70s came out OK--and they were not much older than these kids. This was the "greatest generation"--that fought WW II, Korea, their kids fought the Cold War and Vietnam. Perhaps I think it is funny because I can imagine someone complaining about their Drill Sergeant to their mother--"He talked MEAN to me!"  Maybe you had to have been there to appreciate the irony. 
TJ--yes, I'm on record of being in favor of compulsory government service for ALL kids. Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, and Israel all do it. It could be a program to build self-reliance, national pride, and as a basis to EARN advanced education opportunities for everyone. I would favor service if EVERYONE did it.
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TJ
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:52 pm |
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"Ex-Cheerleader" we're with you sweetheart!! Some people just don't always like the truth. You girls are indeed telling the truth! Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I would like to share something with you-- "she who lives in a glass house should not throw stones". How do you think donna's glass house is holding up now??!! Laugh on sister...we love ya!
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concerned parent
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,6:56 pm |
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Wallflower this is addressed to you. I am not being sympathatic to Donna but I am concerned with all of the anger that is being brought out here. It seems to me that everyone is feeding on each others anger and we really don't solve problems that way. She should be judged but make sure the facts are correct. If you read through all of the comments made on these pages there are several comments on the events of the evening that don't match up. Also I read comments about people "hearing" rumors that she beat her children. I am aware as I stated before she has come down on myself and my family and has spread rumors about us and has come in between myself and someone I valued as a good friend. I still don't think we need to call her names continually, I think everyone has the point that she is not very well liked and that she caused a lot of problems for the community, school,athletes in general, and the families of a lot of people. All of these behaviors are not uncommon with an alcoholic, I pray she gets the help she needs and is ready to accept she needs help. Keep her in your prayers. Realize Donna is still getting all the attention
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| Post Number: 77
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Wallflower
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,7:17 pm |
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"concerned parent" I feel very strongly about Donna Marty. At this point I must concede, you are correct. But I do hope she fully understands the mark she has left on many lives.
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Clovis
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,7:18 pm |
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concerned parent - amen, amen, amen. You beat me to it.
As an aside, I think this should be a time for people in the community to take a look at how they treat the youth of the community... I've picked up from reading the cheerleaders' posts - and from having an ex-cheerleader as a sister - that they were tagged as troublemakers and pointed out as "wanting to get" Donna. We, the younger habitants of the community, have a lot to say and, quite frankly, more contact with teachers and coaches than a lot of other community members. So please, pay more heed and be more considerate when you say we don't know the story about our daily environment and activities. You might be surprised at the insight and information that we have to offer.
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minna
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,7:33 pm |
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Consider it training. You'll run into many more Donna Marty's out there in real life. They're all over in positions of authority.
Just look at Gabe...
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Clovis
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2004,7:41 pm |
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As someone on the cusp of entering the professional world, I'm well aware of this. It does not mean, however, that I have to take it as the status quo or accept quietly that this is the way that a group of my peers has been treated.
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