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Expatriate 
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Posted on: Dec. 14 2005,1:38 pm |
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Now Bush try's to pass the buck he says the intelligence was faulty!
Bush: It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong." As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq,"
Neither the Senate Intelligence Committee nor the Silberman-Robb commission considered how Bush and his top aides used the intelligence that was given to them, or whether they misled the public. there will be an investigation – and there's plenty to investigate.
Vice President Cheney, said this on NBC's Meet the Press barely a month before Congress voted to authorize force:
Cheney, Sept. 8, 2002: But we do know, with absolute certainty, that he (Saddam) is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon.
Department of Energy and State Department intelligence analysts did not agree with the Vice President's claim, ( which turned out to be false.)
Similarly, the President himself said this in a speech to the nation, just three days before the House vote to authorize force:
Bush, Oct. 7, 2002: We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases . And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.
Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.
declassified documents the Defense Intelligence documents disprove theses claims..
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2005,1:44 pm |
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Iraq on the record is a searchable collection of 237 specific misleading statements made by Bush Administration officials about the threat posed by Iraq. It contains statements that were misleading based on what was known to the Administration at the time the statements were made. It does not include statements that appear mistaken only in hindsight. If a statement was an accurate reflection of U.S. intelligence at the time it was made, it was excluded even if it now appears erroneous.
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 16 2005,2:35 pm |
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Former CIA Analyst: Government May Be Manufacturing Fake Terrorism Ray McGovern, former CIA Analyst
McGovern launched straight into the War in Iraq and suggested that over the last few months there has been a "sea change" in public opinion, and now over two thirds of Americans, according to major opinion polls, are against the war and can now see through the Neo-con Propaganda that so clouded their judgment in the lead up to the war.
McGovern went on to comment that there has built up an ignorant attitude amongst more well to do Americans that the troops dying everyday are expendable. There has been a shut down in the minds of people who cannot place themselves in the shoes of the families who's sons and fathers and brothers are being needlessly slaughtered for a corrupt elite agenda.
Mr McGovern stated that the war
"has nothing to do with democracy or freedom or defending "our way of life", it is to do with enriching the pockets of those who support this administration."
"Mr Govern Stressed that the founders wrote the Constitution with far sighted possibilities in mind, and we may now be at that juncture. The founders provided us with the ability to impeach any Government should it take away our liberties or any President, should he attempt to act like a King or an Emperor.
Google Ray McGovern
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 17 2005,12:50 pm |
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expendable....
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Dec. 17 2005,4:15 pm |
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"Jumped the Shark" 
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"If you want to anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. If you want to anger a LIBERAL, tell him the TRUTH!"
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Posted on: Dec. 18 2005,3:37 pm |
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drastic changes as a result of a ratings decline 
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The Game
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Posted on: Dec. 20 2005,1:55 am |
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I still believe thae crap is in Syria... Just wait, you'll see... And no, it's not a hold out statement. I don't trust Syria as far as I could throw Um Bow Mow Mow Mow, wherever that could be. You know what I am saying, and it's not being a tool for the party. They were in on it and eventually it WILL come out.
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TameThaTane
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Posted on: Dec. 20 2005,2:34 am |
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Let me help you to understand.
Ever remember that early 80's song by Charlie Daniels. It goes a little sumptin like this,
"From the sound up in Long Island out to San Francisco Bay
And ev'ry thing that's in between them is our home
And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves
But you outside people best leave us alone
Cause we'll all stick together and you can take that to the bank
That's the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks
You just go and lay your head on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
And I think you're gonna finally understand"
Well...that's how Iraqi people feel. Pride is a universal thing brother.
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And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.
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Alfy Packer
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Posted on: Dec. 20 2005,7:54 am |
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So, The Game, don't you think that we need to send troops into Syria to see if they have the WMD's we didn't find in Iraq? I mean if they got Saddum's WMD's, I don't want to just let them eventually come out. I think we need to go in there and get them WMD's once and for all!
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The Game
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Posted on: Dec. 20 2005,9:22 am |
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Alfy, Some good points, however is it something for troops to do or is it something for the spooks to do? Personally, I would leave it for the spooks. I do have to say that their image is tarnished after the gathering of poor intel leading up to the war. I don't know how Washington would act at this point on intel that is gathered. I guess in a way Great White sang it best... Once Bitten Twice Shy.
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