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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Feb. 08 2016,10:34 pm |
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*Warning* This is kind of lengthy but hang on for the ride. Some of you may learn something.
QUOTE Codevilla traces the beginnings of the new Ruling Class to the Progressive Era. He wrote that “Wilson was the first American statesman to argue that the Founders had done badly by depriving the U.S. government of the power to reshape American society.” Like Obama, Wilson, and later FDR, wanted to reshape American society to suit their own preferences. Any failure on the part of the American public to embrace their Progressive agenda only convinced both Twentieth Century and contemporary Progressives that the American electorate was stupid and backward. Or, as in the case of Frankfurt School immigrant Theodor Adorno’s The Authoritarian Personality (1948) that conservative and traditional Americans were pathological fascists. The Progressive Left has always craved political power, in order to accomplish their goal to remake society. Not being big fans of limited, decentralized and Constitutional government, Progressives have always been in favor of centralizing power in the hands of the state. The assumption has always been that they knew better and that the rubes from “fly over country” were really not capable of self-government. As Codevilla wrote: QUOTE Hence our ruling class’s standard approach to any and all matters, its solution to any and all problems, is to increase the power of the government — meaning of those who run it, meaning themselves, to profit those who pay with political support for privileged jobs, contracts, etc. The Progressives do not believe in the impartial workings of a free market or the rule of law that applies all laws equally to all citizens because they believe that they know best who deserves what. The market cannot be trusted to sort out winners from losers; only they, the ruling elite, should be entrusted with such matters. “When the bubble burst, only those connected with the ruling class at the bottom and at the top were bailed out,” Codevilla noted. In the process of picking winners and losers, the ruling elite became the benefactor for various victim groups who can be counted on at election time. Codevilla remarked that “if you are not among the favored guests at the table where officials make detailed lists of who is to receive what at whose expense, you are on the menu,” probably meaning you are going to pay the bill (in taxes). The hubris of the ruling class knows no limits; they not only believe they can control the economy by printing and spending money, now they even believe that they can control the climate.
Source Referenced Article Angelo Codevilla
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Posted on: Feb. 09 2016,4:57 am |
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A very good read.
Even now we are considering flushing our country further down the toilet with a particular candidate.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 09 2016,1:34 pm |
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Wow, where to begin. That Angelo guy is a master at trying to deflect attention away from the fact that the "ruling class" he talks about is not progressives trying to shape the government to their ideas, but that it's corporate influence doing the reshaping of government.
From your article:
QUOTE Thus in the 1990s and 2000s, as Democrats and Republicans forced banks to make loans for houses to people and at rates they would not otherwise have considered, builders and investors had every reason to make as much money as they could from the ensuing inflation of housing prices.
HA, what a crock!!! You haven't read the commission report on what actually happened, and in depth analysis on HOW it happened have you. Apparently neither has the guy who wrote your article. Forced banks to make bad loans?? Read the commission report. Investors had every reason to make as much money as they could from the bubble? HA again.
In another article this Angelo guy writes he blames special interests and progressives for gay marriage, but he doesn't mention how many years that the battle had been going on, he also doesn't mention that the battle ended as soon as almost all of the biggest corporations and banks asked that gay marriage be accepted.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Obergef...ers.pdf
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I like how the article also glosses over this incident:
QUOTE Thus the Supreme Court's 2005 decision in Kelo, which allows the private property of some to be taken by others with better connections to government, reminded the country class that government is not its friend.
As he refrains from pointing out how much Pfizer had to do with that eminent domain disaster. The head of the "community board" which claimed eminent domain is married to an executive at Pfizer, she also put a vice president of Pfizer on that board.
I read your article, maybe it's time you read what has already been put into the forum 2 or 3 times:
QUOTE Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...doc.pdf
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stardust14
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Posted on: Feb. 09 2016,3:33 pm |
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Have you noticed how Hillary and even now right-wing nuts are hijacking terms used by Bernie activists--
--progressive (instead of liberal)
--wages
--ruling class
--1%
--99%
--elite
Their lack of any definable position(outside fear mongering) has Hillary & Co. singing like fashionable parrots in cages.
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Posted on: Feb. 10 2016,10:19 am |
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^^ the point is that this piece of legislation is the main cause of our present economic woes. People that had no business what so ever were getting loans on house with little or nothing down. At first it worked, the economy during the 80's was good, the 90's dot com bubble didn't pop till 2000. People started looting their equity like a piggy bank, trouble was that they didn't think they had to pay it back what with some of them being interest only loans.
I saw with my own eyes( a disclaimer for tweedle dumb and tweedle dumb ass) a woman pull a 220k home loan on a 40k income when she only had had the job for 4 months. This is just one example. Friends and family in the mortgage business confirmed my observations.
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Posted on: Feb. 10 2016,1:01 pm |
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^^ put the banana daiquiri down, pay attension, Carter's community reinvestment act was the problem, banks were encouraged (threatened) to make loans for bad credit, low income borrowers, this is the snow ball that turned our economy into a disaster.
-------------- Remember boys and girls,
Don’t be a Dick …
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