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Brilliant^^ 
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,1:40 am |
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Sorry Expat, but GD is correct. The picture he posted is one of several I've seen in my referance books on the Vietnam War. The stars and bars appeared on a number of vehicles and aircraft (mainly helicopters) during the war.
And while the Army had a problem with racial tension in the ranks most of those problems manifested themselves in stateside and other overseas post(Germany and Korea), and not as much in Vietnam, afterall to the VC and NVA you were American no matter what your skin color.
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Back to the thing that started this thread. While I think this whole thing about the confederate flag has become way overblown, flying it on the back of a firetruck in the 4th of July (exscuse me 3rd of July) parade was probally not the most appropriated place to express their opinion about it. That being said this whole thing started because that excuse for a man in South Carolina who shot up the church posted pictures of himself on the internet waving a confederat flag. The media, finally relizing that the anti-gun attacks that usually follow such a tragedy weren't going to get any traction ,again!, latched on to something differant this time, that flag. Unfortunatlly there is no NCFA to refute or block the negative press, so the whole thing has spun out of control!! When TV Land announced that they would no longer show "The Dukes of Hazard" because the General Lee had a confederate flag on it that when this story crossed into La-La land. I'm willing to bet that half the people that watched that show didn't even know(let alone care) that there was a confederate flag on the car! This is what happens when PC runs amok!!
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,5:00 am |
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Well Marneman I didn't start this thread because of the Hartland firefighter, I started it because I wasn't feeling too patriotic this year. That being said I guess this is a good thread for this flag matter.
It's a frickin' piece of cloth, people need to get over it, quit hand wringing. To some this piece of cloth is a symbol of pride and there are some "stuck ups" that like to poke fun at the rednecks. There are some though that probably never noticed this symbol before but are outraged because the lib media told them to be, I suspect there are a few here.
Now we have a fireman who's suspended, a volunteer fireman. I'm not sure how that works, he most likely get paid something but the word "volunteer" kinda says something for the guy otherwise.
I guess the real meaning of this for me is that this country's becoming further divided, maybe that's why I'm not feeling too " patriotic" 
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,6:08 am |
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QUOTE Now we have a fireman who's suspended, a volunteer fireman. I'm not sure how that works, he most likely get paid something but the word "volunteer" kinda says something for the guy otherwise. I guess the real meaning of this for me is that this country's becoming further divided, maybe that's why I'm not feeling too " patriotic"
Two things:
There is nothing wrong with volunteer firefighters. I know and have worked with several of them (from the Hayward and Blooming Prairie departments), and they run the same risks as paid firefighters. Most of them are "volunteer" because their communities lack the funds for a paid fire department. Serving this way is truly selfless, and there is nothing wrong with "volunteering" in any instance. Are you opposed to having someone serve the community in this way? What does that say about you?
I do agree on becoming further divided, and I hate that. There is no more working together, because if you support the OTHER SIDE in any way, you aren't a Real American. Make no mistake. The Democrat and Republican politicians keep us divided by design. The more divided they keep us, the more loyal we are to them. And I can understand why that would make you feel less patriotic. I've become more jaded over the years myself for that reason.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,6:37 am |
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(This is my real name @ Jul. 06 2015,6:08 am)
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QUOTE Now we have a fireman who's suspended, a volunteer fireman. I'm not sure how that works, he most likely get paid something but the word "volunteer" kinda says something for the guy otherwise. I guess the real meaning of this for me is that this country's becoming further divided, maybe that's why I'm not feeling too " patriotic" Two things: There is nothing wrong with volunteer firefighters. I know and have worked with several of them (from the Hayward and Blooming Prairie departments), and they run the same risks as paid firefighters. Most of them are "volunteer" because their communities lack the funds for a paid fire department. Serving this way is truly selfless, and there is nothing wrong with "volunteering" in any instance. Are you opposed to having someone serve the community in this way? What does that say about you? I do agree on becoming further divided, and I hate that. There is no more working together, because if you support the OTHER SIDE in any way, you aren't a Real American. Make no mistake. The Democrat and Republican politicians keep us divided by design. The more divided they keep us, the more loyal we are to them. And I can understand why that would make you feel less patriotic. I've become more jaded over the years myself for that reason.
I'm sorry, I think I was misunderstood, when I said being a volunteer fireman said something for the guy I meant it to say he is a standup sort of person.
The other, I agree with totally, sad to say.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,7:09 am |
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^It looks like I misunderstood you. I guess one of the downfalls of written communication — it's sometimes difficult to determine intent.
Mea culpa.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,7:22 am |
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I love how you chickenhawks are going to tell me about the Military because you heard or saw it photoshopped somewhere,
from 69 to 71 I never saw your rebel flag anywhere in the service. one of the guys in my company had a captured North Vietnamese flag as a war trophy hanging above his bunk, they made him take it down.
The Army is a stickler for discipline and uniformity, any use of confederate flag would have been punishable under Article 15, you’d have been given a trenching tool, told to dig a 6’ grave and bury that dead Army’s flag.
You do realize the US Army is a traditional organization with a long and proud history, the confederate flag was the enemies flag, it would no more be flow at one of our posts, camps or bases than the German or Japanese flag.
Any use of the of the confederate flag was unauthorized, it would have been a punishable offense, the Army needed cohesion in the worst way, racial tension was high, the anti-war movement was eating away at morale, a general sense of a useless war with a politically handcuffed military existed. To further divide the troops with a confederate flag would be a dumb mistake.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am |
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^^ Expat, I honestly don't think you served in Veitnam, I think you ended up with some deferment or jumped ship and ran off to Canada. I have and have had many friends that served in Veitnam and these guys make you sound like some little wannabe. If you did go over there I'm betting you were "in the rear with the gear".
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2015,9:02 am |
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SB You’re always quick to insult me, but I do the same to you, so I guess that’s fair.
I was drafted in 69 and did serve, and was honorably discharged, I posted all that stuff years ago debating Hanson,
We swear our allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, we protect and defend that flag. not the confederate flag.
Large posts have museums where they have historical events in military history, it’s the only place you’d find a confederate flag.(under glass)
The Civil War is part of our history as is the confederate flag, but that’s long over.
That flag has been dishonored, adopted by hate groups, it’s a shame, but you know it’s the truth.
There are always people who do unauthorized things, but I(myself) never saw the stars and bars on any military equipment..
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