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Topic: The 4th weekend
started by: Self-Banished

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 03 2015,6:13 am

The long weekend, the picnics, the fireworks. As with most holidays we're supposed to take a moment to remember why we celebrate.

I'm not feeling too patriotic this year

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 03 2015,8:47 am

Maybe this will help a little.

< View on YouTube >

Remember as you watch this recital, it seems some liberals loathe him. Kind of brings a smile cracking out of the corner of your mouth, doesn't it. :laugh:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,6:23 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 04 2015,6:52 am

Yes, other right wing outlet have said the same thing,

< http://www.cbsnews.com/news...h-alert >

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,11:07 am

Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 04 2015,1:24 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 03 2015,6:13 am)

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The long weekend, the picnics, the fireworks. As with most holidays we're supposed to take a moment to remember why we celebrate.

Independence from European central banking? :rofl:

Oh, wait, we gave that up again in 1913.

Nothing to see here... :frusty:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 04 2015,6:24 pm

I see Hartland got into the spirit of things.

They had the Stars&Bars hanging off the back of their fire truck.

I can't seem to move the pic though.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 04 2015,7:19 pm

A little help?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 04 2015,7:43 pm

Sigh. That is the Confederate Southern Cross, a battle flag of Virginia.

The attached pic is the Stars and Bars.

Sorry I had to nit pick. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 04 2015,7:46 pm

Thaks GD. Didn't kow that. :thumbsup:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 04 2015,7:56 pm

You're welcome. But then again that is something I learned back in grade school.

What I find interesting are the comments on the fishwrap over a flag. Confederate soldiers are American Veterans by Act of Congress, also April is Confederate Memorial Month.

No one ever gave much thought to the use of that battle flag, until some idiot killed a bunch of people in a church, and just like clock work, idiots pointed to the flag instead of the idiot.
All of this whitewashing and blame shifting to an object is stupid.

The Confederate flags represents more about State Rights than it does about preserving slavery.

I applaud Brian for the courage to fly that flag.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 04 2015,11:09 pm

Just got in the house from watching the fireworks, I got to sit in the backyard this year. Thanks Maddog, thanks GD, I hope your having a great fouth

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:04 pm

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No one ever gave much thought to the use of that battle flag, until some idiot killed a bunch of people in a church

Okay I'm calling BS on that statement. And I'm not going to bother to take the 30 seconds it would take to prove that it is. :laugh:

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:07 pm

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I applaud Brian for the courage to fly that flag.

From what I've been hearing. People are complaining about the use of a government sponsored vehicle for his private agenda.

Not about flying the flag per se.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,12:09 pm

^^Hmmm...
I wonder if the sh!t would have hit the fan if they'd flown a rainbow flag?

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:18 pm

Okay enuff of my feigned concern over that incident.

The 2015 fireworks were spectacular -

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:36 pm

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:39 pm

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:46 pm

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:49 pm

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 05 2015,12:54 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,12:55 pm

^^Some great pics :thumbsup:

I read through the comments section on the Hartland story and it was really easy to see through the feigned indignation of some of the commentators that they were angry someone had used a gov. vehicle to promote this. No, most of them were politically correct butthurts the were following what the lame stream media told them to think.

The last comment I read was from a Scot Christenson, this guy got it.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2015...respond >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 05 2015,1:13 pm

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 05 2015,12:07 pm)

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I applaud Brian for the courage to fly that flag.

From what I've been hearing. People are complaining about the use of a government sponsored vehicle for his private agenda.

Not about flying the flag per se.

Why wasn't there an issue when the Southern Cross was being flown in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, and a few of the Gulf wars by soldiers as it was flown from Govt owned property or painted on it.

Could it not be said of the same thing, a personal agenda?
Fake outrage is fake outrage, people only got cranky about the whole issue because they were spoon feed their outrage.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,3:45 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 05 2015,1:13 pm)

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Why wasn't there an issue when the Southern Cross was being flown in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, and a few of the Gulf wars by soldiers as it was flown from Govt owned property or painted on it.

Pure unadulterated bologna, No US unit in Vietnam flew that flag, that flag has it’s place in a museum, It’s from a long dead confederate army and should be buried with them, the only flag the south flew that meant anything was the white flag, after they got their collective ass kick!

Had a company or battalion commander caught you with that flag you’d have been facing a courts-martial.
Racial tension was quite high during the Vietnam War, that flag would have ignited riots. You been watching to many
movies kid, Hollywood is just bull!

that flag has been and is about racism,

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 05 2015,3:52 pm

(Expatriate @ Jul. 05 2015,3:45 pm)

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(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 05 2015,1:13 pm)

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Why wasn't there an issue when the Southern Cross was being flown in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, and a few of the Gulf wars by soldiers as it was flown from Govt owned property or painted on it.

I am not going to debate you on the many Confederate flags represent slavery BS. You are going to see what you want to see.

Seen to many movies huh, well geez. I guess the many pictures I have seen on walls of those who were in Viet Nam that had a Southern Cross displayed were all just hollywood BS huh?

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,4:11 pm

That picture is BS, you’d know absolutely nothing about the military in the 60’s and 70’s!
Do you think the Military Command is going to say yeah go ahead fly your racist rag.

The blacks were rioting in the States in the 60’s and early 70’s , burning big cities,
And you’re telling US the Military would condone display of that flag.

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 05 2015,4:12 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 05 2015,12:09 pm)

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^^Hmmm...
I wonder if the sh!t would have hit the fan if they'd flown a rainbow flag?

I think the rebel and the rainbow would have cancelled each other out, especially if they were on the same float. Maybe someone should do that next year. It would be interesting to see which flag drew more complaints.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 05 2015,4:39 pm

(Expatriate @ Jul. 05 2015,4:11 pm)

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You're right I wouldn't know. Only been alive since 1970, but I have eyes, I have ears, and I have seen pictures and heard stories from those who were there. The fact of the matter is that you refuse to believe that flag was flown or painted on a few things, I highly doubt you were everywhere in Vietnam. I also never said it was condoned, that is you putting alphabet soup in my mouth.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,5:14 pm

I guess a bit more recent :blush:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,5:43 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,6:11 pm

Brilliant^^ :sarcasm:

Posted by Marneman on Jul. 06 2015,1:40 am

Sorry Expat, but GD is correct. The picture he posted is one of several I've seen in my referance books on the Vietnam War. The stars and bars appeared on a number of vehicles and aircraft (mainly helicopters) during the war.
And while the Army had a problem with racial tension in the ranks most of those problems manifested themselves in stateside and other overseas post(Germany and Korea), and not as much in Vietnam, afterall to the VC and NVA you were American no matter what your skin color.

Posted by Marneman on Jul. 06 2015,2:11 am

Back to the thing that started this thread. While I think this whole thing about the confederate flag has become way overblown, flying it on the back of a firetruck in the 4th of July (exscuse me 3rd of July) parade was probally not the most appropriated place to express their opinion about it. That being said this whole thing started because that excuse for a man in South Carolina who shot up the church posted pictures of himself on the internet waving a confederat flag. The media, finally relizing that the anti-gun attacks that usually follow such a tragedy weren't going to get any traction ,again!, latched on to something differant this time, that flag. Unfortunatlly there is no NCFA to refute or block the negative press, so the whole thing has spun out of control!! When TV Land announced that they would no longer show "The Dukes of Hazard" because the General Lee had a confederate flag on it that when this story crossed into La-La land. I'm willing to bet that half the people that watched that show didn't even know(let alone care) that there was a confederate flag on the car! This is what happens when PC runs amok!!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,5:00 am

Well Marneman I didn't start this thread because of the Hartland firefighter, I started it because I wasn't feeling too patriotic this year. That being said I guess this is a good thread for this flag matter.

It's a frickin' piece of cloth, people need to get over it, quit hand wringing. To some this piece of cloth is a symbol of pride and there are some "stuck ups" that like to poke fun at the rednecks. There are some though that probably never noticed this symbol before but are outraged because the lib media told them to be, I suspect there are a few here.

Now we have a fireman who's suspended, a volunteer fireman. I'm not sure how that works, he most likely get paid something but the word "volunteer" kinda says something for the guy otherwise.

I guess the real meaning of this for me is that this country's becoming further divided, maybe that's why I'm not feeling too " patriotic"

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 06 2015,6:08 am

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,5:00 am)

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Now we have a fireman who's suspended, a volunteer fireman. I'm not sure how that works, he most likely get paid something but the word "volunteer" kinda says something for the guy otherwise.

I guess the real meaning of this for me is that this country's becoming further divided, maybe that's why I'm not feeling too " patriotic"

Two things:

There is nothing wrong with volunteer firefighters. I know and have worked with several of them (from the Hayward and Blooming Prairie departments), and they run the same risks as paid firefighters. Most of them are "volunteer" because their communities lack the funds for a paid fire department. Serving this way is truly selfless, and there is nothing wrong with "volunteering" in any instance. Are you opposed to having someone serve the community in this way? What does that say about you?

I do agree on becoming further divided, and I hate that. There is no more working together, because if you support the OTHER SIDE in any way, you aren't a Real American. Make no mistake. The Democrat and Republican politicians keep us divided by design. The more divided they keep us, the more loyal we are to them. And I can understand why that would make you feel less patriotic. I've become more jaded over the years myself for that reason.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,6:37 am

(This is my real name @ Jul. 06 2015,6:08 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,5:00 am)

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I'm sorry, I think I was misunderstood, when I said being a volunteer fireman said something for the guy I meant it to say he is a standup sort of person.

The other, I agree with totally, sad to say.

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 06 2015,7:09 am

^It looks like I misunderstood you. I guess one of the downfalls of written communication — it's sometimes difficult to determine intent.

Mea culpa.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,7:22 am

I love how you chickenhawks are going to tell me about the Military because you heard or saw it photoshopped somewhere,
from 69 to 71 I never saw your rebel flag anywhere in the service. one of the guys in my company had a captured North Vietnamese flag as a war trophy hanging above his bunk, they made him take it down.

The Army is a stickler for discipline and uniformity, any use of confederate flag would have been punishable under Article 15, you’d have been given a trenching tool, told to dig a 6’ grave and bury that dead Army’s flag.

You do realize the US Army is a traditional organization with a long and proud history, the confederate flag was the enemies flag, it would no more be flow at one of our posts, camps or bases than the German or Japanese flag.

Any use of the of the confederate flag was unauthorized, it would have been a punishable offense, the Army needed cohesion in the worst way, racial tension was high, the anti-war movement was eating away at morale, a general sense of a useless war with a politically handcuffed military existed. To further divide the troops with a confederate flag would be a dumb mistake.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am

^^ Expat, I honestly don't think you served in Veitnam, I think you ended up with some deferment or jumped ship and ran off to Canada. I have and have had many friends that served in Veitnam and these guys make you sound like some little wannabe. If you did go over there I'm betting you were "in the rear with the gear".

What a POS :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,9:02 am

SB You’re always quick to insult me, but I do the same to you, so I guess that’s fair.

I was drafted in 69 and did serve, and was honorably discharged, I posted all that stuff years ago debating Hanson,
We swear our allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, we protect and defend that flag. not the confederate flag.
Large posts have museums where they have historical events in military history, it’s the only place you’d find a confederate flag.(under glass)

The Civil War is part of our history as is the confederate flag, but that’s long over.
That flag has been dishonored, adopted by hate groups, it’s a shame, but you know it’s the truth.
There are always people who do unauthorized things, but I(myself) never saw the stars and bars on any military equipment..

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,9:14 am

^^ it was'nt meant to be an insult, as I said, I had many friends that served there and you disservice their memory by talking your bullsh!t.

You want an insult? Think Walter Mitty :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 06 2015,9:28 am

(Expatriate @ Jul. 06 2015,7:22 am)

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I love how you chickenhawks are going to tell me about the Military because you heard or saw it photoshopped somewhere,
from 69 to 71 I never saw your rebel flag anywhere in the service

Some obviously had them or are you saying someone photo-shopped in part of a page of the book, "Fighting on Two Fronts: African Americans and the Vietnam War"

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,4:31 pm

^^Racial tensions existed all right, the Military did all it could to make everyone equal,but there’s always racists, on all sides of the fence.
For me, a white boy from Minnesota it was my first experience with blacks, some were decent some pricks. besides all that dap stuff they wore a black braided wrist band, kind of a black power salute bull.

I don’t know who wrote that book, but rebel flags or swastika weren't on military vehicles 69-71 and I doubt they ever were, as a driver you were responsible for that vehicle, you checked it out of a motor pool, signed for a day or maneuvers, it was actually assigned to your company making the company commander ultimately responsible for that vehicle. you may have had it long-term but eventually you checked back into the motor pool, it was inspected and serviced, that motor pool sergeant could just as easily be black as white, either way he’s not going to look kindly on you disfiguring government property.

helicopters had some art work on them, usually a unit designation, the pilots name that kind of stuff.

there’s always someone willing to risk their stripes to break the rules, and believe me the Military is all about rules..

Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 06 2015,5:28 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am)

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I realize there's a lot of jabs back and forth on the forum, but I'm surprised to read this one. I'm sure you had plenty of friends who agree with the Republican party the same way you do, you say some are veterans, and I don't doubt you. But to sit there and lecture a Vietnam vet on the war, and then claim he wasn't there (but if he was he didn't fight hard enough in your opinion), that's despicable.

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^^ it was'nt meant to be an insult

Oh, of course not. I mean, who would consider you attacking his service as insulting? :sarcasm:

It's bad enough when you post photos of Jane Fonda and compare him to her, but now you add a few more insults just because he doesn't share your ideology?

Back to topic, I wouldn't put that much faith in what you've read and photos saved from the internet. Here's one of the confederate flag on the moon.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 06 2015,5:57 pm

Why weren't you clowns bitchin when the Marines made it a bar to enlistment? Everyone knows the flag is the Klan flag/Virginia battle flag and not the C.S.A. flag.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,7:03 pm

(irisheyes @ Jul. 06 2015,5:28 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am)

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^^ it was'nt meant to be an insult

Oh, of course not. I mean, who would consider you attacking his service as insulting? :sarcasm:

Do you know for sure he's a vet?

I never really get into politics with my friends, it's not polite. I consider this site to be the place for that. As far as my remarks being an insult, I offered that as an opinion and in my opinion the way this clown's acts are disgraceful and nothing like the Vietnam vets I've had the privilege of knowing over the years.

Excuse me if I get a little touchy about this but I've buried three of these amazing people over the last 4 years, one to a sudden heart attack, two to fu#king cancer. These were gentleman and courageous human beings,not like the POS we're referring to.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 06 2015,7:45 pm

If the confederate flag is going to be banned, since the war was over so many years ago, I think maybe the parades and such for the ending of slavery should also end. Let's move on, nothing to see here folks. I cannot recall knowing a slave owner. Maybe we had better quit celebrating the 4th. of July, after all, there are a lot of English ancestry that live here.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 06 2015,8:32 pm

We have parades for ending slavery?

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 06 2015,8:36 pm

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Excuse me if I get a little touchy about this but I've buried three of these amazing people over the last 4 years, one to a sudden heart attack, two to fu#king cancer. These were gentleman and courageous human beings,not like the POS we're referring to.

I'm pretty sure I've met more Vietnam vets and the one thing they never did was talk about it. If your 4 "friends" told war stories tbey probably spent the time state side or on a ship off the coast.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,9:22 pm

^^
Nope,
One grunt,
One supply officer,
One swift boat

And if you've been around these vets you know "war stories" are pretty hard for them.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2015,6:12 am

Dumbo Quote:

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I offered that as an opinion and in my opinion the way this clown's acts are disgraceful and nothing like the Vietnam vets I've had the privilege of knowing over the years.

The crux of my argument here has been I didn’t see the confederate flag flying at any military installation, how does that statement disrespect any veteran?
This crap with the confederate flag just occurred over the 4th but you expect US to believe you’ve talked about the confederate flag in the past being used in Vietnam with your “veteran friends” who have passed away.

Once again you present a straw man argument, I seriously doubt that topic came up, if indeed you actually even know a vet!
DINKY DAU :crazy:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,6:37 am

Nope, never talked about the piece of cloth before, when I started this thread this incident hadn't even happened yet :blush:

Your the one that brought up your suspect military service, I just offered my opinion. I also never said anything about my friends mentioning that flag. As pissed off as you are I'm guessing I came pretty close to the truth.

As far as not knowing any vets? Wow, I'm 55, been running trucks over thirty years, I'm not even a full generation behind a lot of these guys. A lot of them are and have been in transportation :dunce:

Du Mhan Yhu :finger:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2015,7:04 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,7:31 am

^^ah, the idiot brings up the idiot. :dunce:

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 07 2015,7:50 am

(Liberal @ Jul. 06 2015,8:32 pm)

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We have parades for ending slavery?

Actually, we might. Quite a few communities have “Juneteenth” (June 19) celebrations to commemorate the Emancipation Proclamation. That didn’t actually occur on June 19, but June 19 was when they finally got around to telling everyone. I’ve never been anywhere on June 19 where it was actually being celebrated, but I would imagine that at least some of them would have parades.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 07 2015,9:48 am

DINKY DAU

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,10:39 am

^^ boocoo Dinky Dau! :rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2015,12:35 pm

If you want to see some disrespect for our Military checkout your fellow tea tards,

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,1:04 pm

^^ I love our military
I despise stolen valor.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 07 2015,2:21 pm

Funny how tough people are on the internet, I'd love to see you talk crap like that to a vet's face. Most vets I know were MPs and a lot of us have anger management issues, and I'd guess they'd leave you laying in the fetal position crying for your mother.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,3:21 pm

^^yep, big internet talk
Kinda a two way street :blush:

Anger issues?

Perhaps this would help :thumbsup:

< http://www.gracepointwellness.org/116-ang...er-quiz >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,3:32 pm

Perhaps this would help everyone feel more sociable.

< http://youtu.be/gHO1PprfmkY >

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 07 2015,6:23 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 07 2015,3:21 pm)

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^^yep, big internet talk
Kinda a two way street :blush:

Anger issues?

Perhaps this would help :thumbsup:

< http://www.gracepointwellness.org/116-ang...er-quiz >

I think you need to reread that, I didn't threaten you, I was giving you a heads up. If you talk crap to a vet and he/she whoops your ass they'll most likely get little or no punishment, and if you try to sue them you'd get nowhere because any sane person would consider that fighting words.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,7:37 pm

Except for the Walter Mitty remark all that's been offered is an opinion. Fighting words? Jeezus, You need to lay off the Randoph Scott westerns :blush:

I don't think I took your response as a threat, this is the internet, nothing more.

I still don't believe Expat was in Vietnam, doesn't act it.

But I suppose we'll just leave the dogs to go back to sleep. :angel:

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 07 2015,10:06 pm

(irisheyes @ Jul. 06 2015,5:28 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am)

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^^ it was'nt meant to be an insult

Oh, of course not. I mean, who would consider you attacking his service as insulting? :sarcasm:

I'm glad SOMEBODY said something.

I notice the other Mod MADDOG who claims to be a Christian and have great reverence for vets.

Didn't bother to do the right thing.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 07 2015,10:13 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,7:03 pm)

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(irisheyes @ Jul. 06 2015,5:28 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,7:39 am)

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^^ it was'nt meant to be an insult

Oh, of course not. I mean, who would consider you attacking his service as insulting? :sarcasm:

Then he insults him again.

Based on he "knows" guys.

As if that trumps somebody who was actually there or exonerates him in some way from insulting the guy.

If it were my forum: I would make him apologize at the very least.

And I would revoke MADDOG's MODERATOR status.

I'm putting them both on ignore.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 08 2015,5:19 am

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Fighting words? Jeezus, You need to lay off the Randoph Scott westerns

Jesus christ, pick up a book you knucklehead. Don't you have a lot of sitting around doing nothing tiime driving your truck? Seems like a perfect time to pick up a book to me.

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< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words >

Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence from their target. Specific definitions, freedoms, and limitations of fighting words vary by jurisdiction.

Did you live under power lines as a kid?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,5:59 am

^^ is fighting all you understand? You seem proud of a group of Neanderthals you call MP's. As I stated, I don't think I took your response as a thread, this is the internet after all and there are a lot of keyboard Rambo's out there, if it were a threat it'd be pretty lame.("my guys would beat you up")

If you go through real life like this, stop, think a bit, there's always a bigger dog around the corner.

Let the dog go to sleep pal :thumbsup:

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 08 2015,8:34 am

I never threatened you, I said you talk crap to the wrong combat veteran and you deserve what you get. And I don't think a courtroom would help you out because most people understand the legal theory of fighting words.

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Fighting Words
Words which would likely make the person whom they are addressed commit an act of violence. Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 0

< https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words >

Just as a test tell your Vietnam buddies that they're liars and never served in Vietnam and see what reaction you get.

Also as far as we know you're just a cab driver wishing someone would trust you with a bigger vehicle like a U haul.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 08 2015,8:41 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 07 2015,10:06 pm)

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I notice the other Mod MADDOG who claims to be a Christian and have great reverence for vets.

Didn't bother to do the right thing.

What would you have me do to your liking?

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,9:10 am

I don’t get excided about what SB has to say, you can see from his posts common sense isn’t his strong suit.
When he can’t deal with facts he turns to troll rants, he displays his hate to anyone that doesn’t knuckle under to his ideology.
This seems to be a common trait shared by most but not all of the forum right-wingers.

As for Maddog’s moderator position, I’m fine with that, if all moderators were liberals we’d have a bias.

I’ll lose my temper on occasion, but I don’t think I’ve ever threatened Self Banished with any type of violence.
This isn’t a threat, just making Self Banished aware the safe distance and anonymity he thinks he enjoys are an illusion, anyone one can be outed.

For the most part I enjoy the banter, maybe we should all watch our forum etiquette, nah...

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,10:58 am

Three Confederate flags lead county GOP float in Iowa

< http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story... >

Iowa's governor described the Confederate flags' presence in the parades as disrespectful.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,11:18 am

(Liberal @ Jul. 08 2015,8:34 am)

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Just as a test tell your Vietnam buddies that they're liars and never served in Vietnam and see what reaction you get.

Pretty sure I posted that I'd buried them over the last 4 years.
Are you reading the posts or just enjoying being pissed.

Pay attension now :dunce:

Why would I call them liars? They were honorable men, unlike our resident "Col Kurtz"

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 08 2015,11:24 am

This issue is just blown out of proportion way too far. The flag obviously means different things to different people. People need to drop it.

Have they banned this guy yet?

< View on YouTube >

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 08 2015,11:51 am

Oh, no. Not him. He must be a racist.

< View on YouTube >

Hey, now I'm starting to like this. I think they should ban NASCAR. Their fans must be KKK members. If they don't ban them, they should at least suspend them from the race like they did to Brian Nielsen.

< Some race fans still fly Confederate flag at track >

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 08 2015,11:59 am

here is a quote about your racist flag from the man who designed it: William T. Thompson (goggle him) : “As a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.”

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 08 2015,12:29 pm

Minnesota is a < white man's flag >. depicting an American Indian as a ___

Edited because the poster is a racist douchebag.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,2:28 pm

^^ as a what??
Please tell me!

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 08 2015,4:19 pm

He can PM it to you, but I won't stand for people using racial slurs on this forum. If it happens again the user will be banned from posting for two weeks, if it happens a second time it will be a permanant ban.

You want to talk like that at your Klan meetings that's fine with me but you won't do it on a forum that's in my name.

Posted by grassman on Jul. 08 2015,5:31 pm

(MADDOG @ Jul. 08 2015,12:29 pm)

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Minnesota is a < white man's flag >. depicting an American Indian as a ___

Edited because the poster is a racist douchebag.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,6:18 pm

Posted by Marneman on Jul. 09 2015,12:37 am

First off Expat thank you for your service! I know a lot of Vietnam vets don't hear that enough.
I have seen occasionally over the last few years that a lot of racist groups like to sport a stars and bars with the colors reversed (the blue and red colors exchanged), but I supposethe poor racist make due with the regular stars and bars. I've also seen them carring nazi flags and our own United States flag. The main thing to remeber is that flag is a part of our history and as such should not be forgotten, maybe not celebrated, but remebered.

Oh by the way Juneteenth is a state holiday in Texas commemorating June 19, 1863 when word of the Emancipation Proclimation made it to the then slave population in Texas at that time.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 09 2015,7:01 am

Marneman, Both Minnesota and Iowa have captured confederate battle flags, I believe they’re on display at St. Paul and Des Moines capital buildings, not flown, but in museum type display. The civil war will always be part of history, Robert E. Lee was brilliant strategist, the north wanted him but he went south, I believe they still study his battle plans as part of the curriculum at places like the United States Army War College at Carlisle Barracks.

I don’t think we’ll ever forget the Civil War, there a number of battlefield sites, museums, and reenactments, there seems to a large number of civil war buffs and countless books. If we can believe the accounts of civil war battles it must have been pure hell, no we shouldn’t forget the terrible carnage on both sides. Places like Andersonville the confederate prison camp for union soldiers make a place like Auschwitz look humane.
Unfortunately the flag has been adopted as a relaying banner for hate groups, not that hate groups don’t come in all colors, they do, with their own hate banners.

Thank you, but I don’t need thanks, the Military was good for me, guess that makes me a product of one of our most successful Government programs.
My concern for our Military is we don’t become bogged down in any more Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan type ventures.

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 09 2015,7:17 am

(Marneman @ Jul. 09 2015,12:37 am)

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Juneteenth has also expanded to other states, including some in the North. I know the Twin Cities has a Juneteenth celebration.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 09 2015,2:47 pm

Not KKK, but < K.G.C. >

Any of you familiar with any < supporters > of that radical slavery group?

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Both Albert and Pryor Lea supported the Knights of the Golden Circle, a secret society which planned to invade Mexico and Central America and establish a massive slave empire around the Gulf of Mexico. They pitched the society's plan to Governor Sam Houston in 1860, but Houston rejected the plan, and ordered the Texas Rangers to break up the Knights' assemblies.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2015,2:57 pm

^^ there are folks that want to remove Cosby's star in Hollywood, change the name of the Washington ah, ah,ah, pigmentationly enhanced?(being careful not to incur any wrath)

So what's Albert Lea going to change it's name to?

Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 09 2015,3:20 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 09 2015,2:57 pm)

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Blue Zone, MN

I probably shouldn't have posted that, or it might give them ideas.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2015,3:32 pm

I had to look that up :dunno:

It's true though, folks from AL are generally pretty "happy"

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,9:26 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,10:35 am

^^Cenk??? Might as well be watching Alex Jones :rofl:

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 10 2015,12:01 pm

< The Dakota War Of 1862: America’s Genocide 150 Years Ago Lingers On >

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More than 800 of the Dakota then surrendered — a move that initiated 300 death convictions of Native This drawing is a depiction of the execution of the 38 Native Americans who were hung in a mass hanging in 1862 in Mankato, Minn. (Drawing by W.H. Childs from Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper 1863)Americans through a military trial, ordained by Col. Henry H. Sibley, the same man who later, in 1863, led an excursion of more than 3,000 soldiers to rid the land of the Dakota.

Not all of the convictions handed down through the military commission stood, however, resulting in the public hanging of 38 Dakota men in what is now known as Mankato, Minn.

The military commission that tried the Dakota men was unfair and biased, according to historians, as their punishments were being decided by the very people they attacked. Guilty or not, the opportunity for a fair trial was absent.

“The trials of the Dakota were conducted unfairly in a variety of ways. The evidence was sparse, the tribunal was biased, the defendants were unrepresented in unfamiliar proceedings conducted in a foreign language, and authority for convening the tribunal was lacking,” University of Minnesota Law School Associate Professor Carol Chomsky said.

Good thing nothing in Albert Lea is named after Col. Henry Sibley. Sounds like that guy either drove out the Indians or hung them.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,1:28 pm

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...t-words >

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,2:06 pm

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,2:19 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,2:23 pm

^^ Funny, the deme rats were the ones that raised it in S Carolina, it took a republican gov. to bring it down.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,2:28 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,2:43 pm

^^ the confederate flag? I don't really care about, I think I've stated it's just a piece of cloth.

I'm getting ready for your flip/flop when stroke lady most likely wins the nomination. :rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,2:45 pm

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 10 2015,3:22 pm

They want to take down the rebel flag in S. Carolina, its their right if the majority wanted it down. At least it isn't the federal gov't. giving orders.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 11 2015,6:46 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2015,8:52 am

^^ you mean like Vietnam??

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 11 2015,9:03 am

I wasn't going to specify, but which war has the U.S. won since being a part of the Allied Forces of WW2?

(Now I suppose I wait to wait for one of the intellectually advanced libbies to post a picture of Bush on an aircraft carrier.)

Na, I'll beat ya' to it.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 11 2015,9:06 am

Expat, in case no one told you, you might want to keep a couple dates open.

< http://www.operationlz.com/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2015,10:10 am

^^ why would he go to that?

Posted by Marneman on Jul. 14 2015,1:07 am

I remeber reading a history blurb in a chamber of commerce tourist pamplet years ago about changing the name of Albert Lea right after the Civil War. Among the new possible names was Beersville! Suprisingly it was Union Vetrans that insited on keeping the name Albert Lea.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 17 2015,11:26 am

You might not be able to find something like this at Walmart. At least this country isn't at total wussification. Might even find a good book to curl up with.

< http://patriotdepot.com/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2015,11:42 am

^* I like the toilet paper :rockon:

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 17 2015,10:21 pm

I think we should get a couple of huge flags like the ones on that fire truck. And let the truck driver and his girlfriend Maddie Dog march in next year's Independence Day parade.

So they can show their "Southern" pride.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 17 2015,10:22 pm

Talk about overreacting. heh

Wasn't the issue. the gravitas and solemnity of flag display on a government sponsored vehicle?

Nobody is threatening your right to wear your 70's rebel flag shirt and listen to REO Speedwagon and Power 96. :laugh:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2015,7:27 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 17 2015,10:21 pm)

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Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 18 2015,7:41 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 17 2015,10:22 pm)

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Yeah, over reacting. The flag was displayed along side the American flag. Sorry, no Power 96 and if a preference on Ts, I'll take

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2015,8:12 am

Hymie said he put us on ignore awhile ago.
The captioned pics come through though

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 19 2015,1:50 pm

I've lived in the South and when I started speaking to highschools I was all over Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, and Alabama. The only place you ever saw that flag was on lynyrd skynyrd tshirts and occasionally on those hideous orange cars.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,2:16 pm

^^get used to that flag.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 19 2015,3:19 pm

Why get used to a white flag? Is there something going on that I don't know about?

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 19 2015,3:28 pm

Around 2002 or so. I was driving past the north end of the Mower County Fairgrounds. And I sawr these two huge so called rebel flags hanging off the eastern fence/wall. I was wondering what the heck was going on. Perhaps some sort of Civil War reenactment or something?

Well later that day. I came back that way. And there was a band playing. So I parked, and walked over to this grassy area right behind the stage. There was a chain-link fence. But you could see perfectly.

Well the band as it turned out was 38 Special. And there was some sort of rock revival festival going on. So I got to sit there an watch their whole show. From directly behind the stage.They're like a more wholesome pop version of Lynyrd Skynyrd. I guess.

It's hard to gauge how much of an antagonistic intention is behind the use of that flag.

But I did see that Lynyrd Skynyrd quit using it as a stage decoration or whatever. (Look it up)

I think I would defer to their judgement in a matter like that. Not somebody from Clarks Grove or Forest City, Iowa. :laugh:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,3:54 pm

< http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015...-225220 >

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 19 2015,5:36 pm

10 flag wavers get news coverage for being douchebags, what a surprise. I'm sure if we got MD to stand in a church steeple yelling, "The President is a ..." he would probably get some news coverage too.

< https://youtu.be/cjNIARQGIYA >

Even sounds like MD, and looks a bit like him too.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,5:52 pm

Some folks are profiting

< http://dixieoutfitters.com/pages/ >

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2015,8:23 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,8:50 am

Yep, just a bunch of dumb asses down there.

< http://www.kbtx.com/news...one&c=y >

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 20 2015,9:22 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 19 2015,3:28 pm)

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.38 Special was more or les a spin off from Skynyrd. Lead vocals and band leader Donnie Van Zant is Ronnie's little brother. There have been a host of bands that spun off the original after their plane crash in '77.-The Rossinton Band and later Rossington-Collins and The Johnnie Van Zant Band.

From Wiki:

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On May 2, 2012, the band announced the impending release of a new studio album, Last of a Dyin' Breed, along with a North American and European tour.[21] On August 21, 2012, Last of a Dyin' Breed was released. In celebration of its release, the band did four autograph signings throughout the southeast.[22]

While promoting the album on CNN on September 9, 2012, members of the band talked about its discontinued use of Confederate imagery.[23] In September 2012, the band briefly did not display the Confederate Flag, which had for years been a part of their stage show, because they did not want to be associated with racists who had adopted the flag. After protests from fans they reversed this decision, noting it is part of their Southern American heritage and states rights symbolism.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2015,10:04 am

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 20 2015,8:50 am)

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Yep, just a bunch of dumb asses down there.

< http://www.kbtx.com/news...one&c=y >

here too,

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 20 2015,10:25 am

(Expatriate @ Jul. 20 2015,10:04 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 20 2015,8:50 am)

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Yep, just a bunch of dumb asses down there.

< http://www.kbtx.com/news...one&c=y >

here too,

Took me all of maybe a minute to find the page SB tried to post. Whatsamatta, independent union thought process gone?

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< Texas A&M Cited As A Leader In Producing Fortune 100 CEOs, Success In Corporate World Generally >

COLLEGE STATION - Two major national publications, U.S. News & World Report and Newsweek, are out with new reports showing Texas A&M University graduates faring quite well in the marketplace, with the U.S. News story indicating no university in the country has more current Fortune 100 CEOs than Texas A&M.

In its article headlined “Colleges That Gave Fortune 500 CEOs Their Start,” U.S. News leads its online list with five universities that it reports each have three graduates now serving as chief executive officers of Fortune 100 companies — Texas A&M and four Ivy League schools: Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Yale.

Each year Fortune magazine ranks the largest 500 U.S. publicly traded companies.

According to officials at The Association of Former Students, the Texas A&M alumni organization, the three Texas A&M graduates who head Fortune 100 companies are: Bruce Broussard, a 1984 graduate in accounting, CEO of Humana; David Cordani, a 1988 graduate in accounting, CEO of Cigna Corp., and Greg Garland, a 1980 graduate in chemical engineering, CEO of Phillips 66.

Texas A&M is one of 10 institutions cited in the Newsweek article headlined “The Top Ten Public Schools For Getting A Well Paid Job.” The article originally appeared on the Brookings Institution website and was written by Siddharth Kulkarni of Brookings and Jonathan Rothwell of the Metropolitan Policy Program.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,1:06 pm

^^Thankyou Mr. Dog

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2015,7:53 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 25 2015,7:48 pm

^^so the Chatanooga and Fort Hood shooters were teaparty people too? :sarcasm:

Posted by Marneman on Jul. 26 2015,10:17 am

Really!! Did you just pull that crap out of thin air?
The Louisianna theater shooter is a piece of crap scumbag, but is their any proof that he was a member of the tea party? A Ron Paul supporter? Or even a Republican?
Please tone back your hatred a little when you let it get carried away you start spouting BS!

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 26 2015,11:27 am

^This fruitcake has an online history that make his right-wing nut job views all to real.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 26 2015,11:46 am

For those too stupid to use Google.

< http://www.vice.com/read...ler-724 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 26 2015,5:20 pm

^^Portraits of blind children in China??

Site looks like an Alex Jones throw away.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 27 2015,8:37 am

< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(magazine) >

You don't have HBO? I personally don't watch Vice because of the depressing subject matter but they aren't anything like Alex Jones. I've watched some of their youtube videos and they're interesting, just usually depressing. They're also pretty much not political, at least I cant tell if they're biased to the left or right.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,9:40 am

^^Nope, no HBO, I've have from time to time over the years and there's been some great shows like The Sopranos. I don't watch that much TV though.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 27 2015,10:29 am

I don't have HBO either but I have seen several episodes of VICE at hotels while traveling.
I have found them very entertaining and not too political despite Bill Maher being a producer.
They have taken on a wide array of topics.

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 27 2015,10:47 am

(Liberal @ Jul. 26 2015,11:46 am)

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For those too stupid to use Google.

< http://www.vice.com/read...ler-724 >

I fail to see how this nut job can be attached to the rightwing party because of his love for WBC, the < KKK > which was founded to overthrow the republican state governments or < Rand Paul. >

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 27 2015,2:15 pm

His < teaparty nation > page is blank. I did read somewhere that he despised liberals though.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,5:16 pm

That Tea Party site seems a bit out there on the edge, here's a group on the other end of the spectrum who's cheese is sliding :crazy:

< http://www.dsausa.org >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,5:34 pm

^^'wonder if they've ever been audited :blush:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2015,7:32 am

he ran for office as a Republican:

< http://time.com/3971469/john-rusty-houser-louisiana-shooter/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 28 2015,10:35 am

^^good for him.😜

We have a dem running for Pres who was complicit with murder. :blush:

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 30 2015,6:52 am

Well there you have it, our local teabaggers go in the defense mode to deny the facts on John Russell Houser, the gunman in the movie theater shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana. :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,9:20 am

^^ how does saying we have a dem candidate being complicit in murder denying anything?

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 30 2015,10:18 am

^^^

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^so the Chatanooga and Fort Hood shooters were teaparty people too?

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really!! Did you just pull that crap out of thin air?
but is their any proof that he was a member of the tea party? A Ron Paul supporter? Or even a Republican?

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I fail to see how this nut job can be attached to the rightwing party because of his love for WBC, the KKK which was founded to overthrow the republican state governments or Rand Paul.

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That Tea Party site seems a bit out there on the edge, here's a group on the other end of the spectrum who's cheese is sliding

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^^good for him

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,2:51 pm

^^ pretty good stretch you have going there :dunce:

Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 31 2015,5:37 am

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 28 2015,10:35 am)

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We have a dem running for Pres who was complicit with murder. :blush:

Which candidate is that? Have you reported the murder to the authorities?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,6:38 am

^^that would be stroke lady but don't fear, she's sinking herself very fast, too fast for my liking.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 04 2015,8:12 am

Hey, SB. Need a new coffee mug for the morning joe?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,8:30 am

Maybe I'm move to back to Hartland too

Look out for Expat aka, "Love Canal" he's in a bad mood today. :blush:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 04 2015,9:27 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 04 2015,8:30 am)

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Maybe I'm move to back to Hartland too

Look out for Expat aka, "Love Canal" he's in a bad mood today. :blush:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,9:38 am