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Posted on: May 18 2015,8:28 am |
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How was the informational meeting? Did you question the assessment figures there?
Where does the sanitary currently run in that area? My guess is that can not be eliminated. That portion of the road is the low area and I would assume the sanitary is flowing that direction.
You may be albe to eliminate the water, but its never good to have short dead end mains which you would be left with. The couple of homes that would be on it most likely would not be happy with the water quality or the pressure they would then be getting.
You could elimiate much of the road though, but would still need road access to the lift station, and would have to add a couple of cul-de-sacs or other turn around on each end.
Would definately elimate some big $ for the soil corrections that sound like they are needed.
Hope you actually are presenting this option to the City in a manner other than this platform.
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alcitizens
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Posted on: May 18 2015,6:15 pm |
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Sanitary Sewer runs north from 1209 to 1201 Virginia Place.. Elimination not a problem..
The Total Preliminary Assessments has went from $135,000 in the Capital Improvement Plan to $429,000..
Calculations used in the Capital Improvement Plan:
46% from Water and Sewer Fund
43.6% from GO Improvement Bond
10.4% from Special Assessments
The Same Calculations for Current Estimated Cost of Project:
$2,114,012.00
46% =$972,445.00 Water and Sewer Fund
43.6% =$921,709.00 GO Improvement Bond
10.4% =$219,857.00 Special Assessments
How did the City of Albert Lea come up with the figure of $429,213.00 for Special Assessments?
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Posted on: May 19 2015,8:11 am |
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Did you ask about the assessment calculations at the public meeting and get an explaination for the change?
Where does the sewer run for the 1100's? My guess is that it runs south into the area you want to eliminate. Probablly around the same area as the storm lift.
Did you present your idea to the city your just post it here?
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alcitizens
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Posted on: May 19 2015,5:53 pm |
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Why would the cost of the project be estimated at $800,000.00 more than the Capital Improvement Plan?
Why would Special Assessments jump from 10.4% from Capital Improvement Plan to 20.5% of cost?
The Water and Sewer Fund should be responsible for soil correction to keep their Water and Sewer lines from sinking and the Lift Station Pump needs to be replaced with a higher capacity pump because Flooding during Storms softens surrounding soil.. I'm also guessing the pressure lines are too small and need to be replaced with larger ones.. Stop the Flooding!
The current sidewalks didn't have any gravel used as a base.. I can only imagine the lack of Class 5 gravel on the rest of the street..
At least 4" to 6" base for sidewalks and 4" to 8" base for the street is mandatory in Minnesota to keep water out that freezes and then cracks, heaves and buckles concrete and asphalt.. Tile will serve no purpose and will be a big waste of money if the area is allowed to Flood..
Does anyone know how deep the Water Table is on S. Virginia Place? The surface of Albert Lea Lake would be the same as the Water Table..
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Posted on: May 20 2015,1:04 am |
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Annual Minimum Soil Depth to Water Table is 17" to 43"..
http://www.arcgis.com/home...c956ca6
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alcitizens
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Posted on: May 20 2015,1:09 am |
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The cost to replace everything from 1201 Virginia Place south to 7th St would be about the same as buying out the six properties for $507,000.
The Water and Sewer Fund would be spared up to 30% of the total cost of this project and the cost of additional projects that would guarantee S. Virginia Place residents would never be flooded again with human waste or storm water..
For a Grand Total Savings of over one million dollars..
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Posted on: May 20 2015,8:18 am |
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Information meeting should have been where all the questions would be answered. Engineer should have been there along with city councilor and city manager. That's how they use to do them. They should have explained what all was involved in the project, gone over how the construction would occur, and discussed how they arrived at the construction cost estimate and then how the assessments were calculated. City Council Meeting with the Public Hearing SHOULD NOT be the place to have those questions gone over. Why have the informational meeting if you are not going to give the residents the information? Or answer their questions.
Good that you were able to verify that the sewer stops short and then heads east (I'm 95% sure it heads to James).
Typical Street section currently should be 4 inches of bituminous, 8 inches of class 5 and 18" of select granular borrow. At the bottom of this, running along each side of the road, should be 4 or 6 inch drain tile encased in a pea rock envelope. In the areas of the poor soils (peat) the select granular borrow section would be deeper, or possibly even use a light weight fill material instead (this could reduce the depth you would need to remove the peat). You also need a geotextile fabric at the bottom of our gravel section to separate it from the underlying soil.
I believe the cost for soil corrections necessary for the roadway are assessable. I agree that any piles that are required for utility stabilization should come from those funds.
Previously you mentioned soil boring reports. That will show you the ground water level – it is not necessarily the level of either lake. If there is a lot of peat there it would be down below that. Depending on the soil types and how they change, you could have a perched water table only 3 feet below the road and then 100 feet away it could be 30 feet below.
Where did you get your cost estimate from to say the costs would equal the cost of the buy outs?
You also did not say if you’ve actually presented the proposal of buying out the properties or just put it on this forum.
If they were to take your proposal, they could use part of that area for additional park space, but also as a storm water pond, if the lift station truly is under sized (pumps, discharge pipes). I do know that a few times during storms power has gone out at that lift station which lead to flooding there – not capacity problem.
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alcitizens
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Posted on: May 20 2015,9:57 am |
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I prefer to get the answers while being recorded.. I've seen people get up and speak for 15 to 20 minutes trying to sell a program of one kind or another.. They can answer a few questions..
I don't mind being assessed for a properly installed street, curb and gutter and sidewalk.. I just know that to put a proper base under the water main, sanitary sewer and storm sewer will remove a large portion of soil..
When I worked at well drilling it was a practice to determine how far we had to drill to reach the water table by being aware of a river or lake prior to drilling into the limestone..
Total of affected properties assessments divided by the total assessments for everyone gives you the percentage.. Then you take that percentage and multiply the total estimated cost of project to get cost of the affected area minus assessments of affected area except for 4 City properties =total cost/savings to the City..
People from the City of Albert Lea periodically check it out from what I've heard.. Word travels fast..
If its a capacity issue it would involve a pump that is too small or the storm sewer lines are undersized to handle the volume or the level of the lake rises and covers the outlet.. Most likely the first two and not having an emergency generator.. This will cost hundreds of thousands and should have been done many years ago.. If they want the people out, buy'em out.. If not fix it.. The sanitary sewer going west at 1201 needs to be replaced for I don't know how far to stop the inflow of ground water and storm water from overwhelming the sewer..
They know who I am and how to get in touch with me..
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Posted on: May 20 2015,11:13 am |
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your not drilling a well in limestone, you are building utility and road infrastructure over peat - theres a big difference. And, there is a soils report that has the data, including water table in it. But you keep on speculating instead of getting facts and answers.
Nice ratio work, but not actual cost reduction, may be close, may not be. If its in the worst of the soils, which it appears to be, then you may actually be saving the City more $!
So, by your "They know who I am and how to get in touch with me." just tells me you just like coming on here, spouting off, and really don't want to do anything. Sad.
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