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So, is your house powered by solar? there are affordable solar panels.
Maybe wind? there are home generator kits.
Are you driving a hybrid or electric car?
Let's try smaller, do you reuse plastic bags when you go to the grocery store? Use nothing but fair trade consumables? Are you vegetarian? Have a composting toilet?
I'm curious
By the way, I like bamboo too, I used bigbamboo papers in college. 
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Posted on: May 03 2014,1:54 pm |
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QUOTE ^^^ So, is your house powered by solar? there are affordable solar panels. Maybe wind? there are home generator kits. Are you driving a hybrid or electric car? Let's try smaller, do you reuse plastic bags when you go to the grocery store? Use nothing but fair trade consumables? Are you vegetarian? Have a composting toilet? I'm curious By the way, I like bamboo too, I used bigbamboo papers in college.
I wish my home had solar and wind power. I rent, and even if I did own my own house I couldn't afford it. So maybe things like this should be a priority? Making it more accessible and affordable? When I signed up with Alliant energy 8 years ago I opted to pay more on my bills to help alternatives. - Even though I believe that small scale individual or group wind/solar is a far better way to go.
I don't drive, and when I do I carpool, I would gladly use public transportation if it was more widely available. Walking or bike is my main transportation, I wouldn't mind a car co-op type sharing program that some communities have developed.
I don't use plastic bags, I have cloth ones I bring with me when I shop. (Hemp)
We also recycle like crazy. We have one single bag of garbage for a weeks time. One 13gallon bag.
We do whatever we can to try to make less of an impact. Now if industry, government and the media would make the future a priority things could start to get better immediately.
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Posted on: May 03 2014,3:18 pm |
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^^sounds like for the most part you practice what you preach! good enough.
I also practice what I preach and that is this,
We have more energy resources than we know what to do with,
Global warming is a farce
All this environmental bullsh!t is just what it is, bullsh!t.
We are BURNING OUR FOOD! Grocery prices are going to be going to increase dramatically in the future.
This is what I practice and profess.
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Posted on: May 03 2014,3:52 pm |
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QUOTE ^^sounds like for the most part you practice what you preach! good enough.
I also practice what I preach and that is this,
We have more energy resources than we know what to do with,
Global warming is a farce
All this environmental bullsh!t is just what it is, bullsh!t.
We are BURNING OUR FOOD! Grocery prices are going to be going to increase dramatically in the future.
This is what I practice and profess.
I never mentioned global warming/climate change, whatever it's called. Environmental worries are not BS in my opinion. The list of towns/cities/areas which have to put out "air alerts" gets bigger all the time. Having to warn people that the air quality is so toxic that they should not go outside doesn't seems like as good an idea as possibly working to cut or eliminate the toxicity. Dealing with worsening water shortages while not addressing the cause is ridiculous. Endangering the water we do have, especially when there are alternatives, doesn't make sense.
These problems, and more, are not magically going to fix themselves.
Our water shortage problem? It's freakin huge. HUGE. But instead of informing the masses about it, let's build big gated communities in Nevada with a few golf courses and swimming pools. Let's keep on going the way we always have, because THAT is progress. Let's not talk about any of our practices, farming, fossil fuels, mining, lifestyles, and how it has brought us extremely close to catastrophe.
We're running out of water. Our air, land and water get more poisoned all the time. All of our pollinators are disappearing and dying at an alarming rate. These things are not global warming, they are indisputable fact, and the craziest part about it all, is that the vast majority of us are not even aware.
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Posted on: May 03 2014,6:10 pm |
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Hmmm... This from the EPA's own site.
EPA creates air quality trends using measurements from monitors located across the country. The table below shows that air quality based on concentrations of the common pollutants has improved nationally since 1980.
Percent Change in Air Quality
1980 vs 2012 1990 vs 2012 2000 vs 2012
Carbon Monoxide (CO) -83 -75 -57
Ozone (O3) (8-hr) -25 -14 -9
Lead (Pb) -91 -87 -52
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (annual) -55 -50 -38
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (1-hour) -60 -46 -29
PM10 (24-hr) --- -39 -27
PM2.5 (annual) --- --- -33
PM2.5 (24-hr) --- --- -37
Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) (1-hour) -78 -72 -54
http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html
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Posted on: May 03 2014,7:34 pm |
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QUOTE Hmmm... This from the EPA's own site. EPA creates air quality trends using measurements from monitors located across the country. The table below shows that air quality based on concentrations of the common pollutants has improved nationally since 1980. Percent Change in Air Quality 1980 vs 2012 1990 vs 2012 2000 vs 2012 Carbon Monoxide (CO) -83 -75 -57 Ozone (O3) (8-hr) -25 -14 -9 Lead (Pb) -91 -87 -52 Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (annual) -55 -50 -38 Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (1-hour) -60 -46 -29 PM10 (24-hr) --- -39 -27 PM2.5 (annual) --- --- -33 PM2.5 (24-hr) --- --- -37 Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) (1-hour) -78 -72 -54 http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html
I would have thought lead would have decreased much more than that since removing it from gasoline.
Well, I hope most states have better monitoring and reporting than Texas does.
http://eagleford.publicintegrity.org. - has several good links and information.
A code red reading, indicating an AQI of between 151 and 200, means conditions may be "unhealthy for everyone."
For the 8 a.m. hour Wednesday, pollution in the Liberty-Clairton region of the Mon Valley built to a code red AQI level of 157 -- the highest in the nation. Air quality also deteriorated into the code red range around Lancaster, Pa.
According to a University of North Carolina study released in July, the deaths of 2.1 million people a year worldwide are attributable to surges in fine particulate matter air pollution. The tiny airborne particles can penetrate deep into human lungs and cause a variety of health problems, including asthma and other lung diseases, heart problems and cancer.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local...hSHmI5J
http://www.post-gazette.com/local...2050220
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/239457071.html?ipad=y
Today in California
Highest 5 of the day
http://www.airnow.gov
http://www.airnow.gov/index.c...#tabs-1
Health Message: Active children and adults, and people with lung disease, such as asthma, should reduce prolonged or heavy exertion outdoors.
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The School Flag Program alerts schools to the local air quality forecast and helps them to take actions to protect students' health, especially those with asthma.
Here's how it works: each day the school raises a flag that corresponds to how clean or polluted the air is. The color of the flag matches EPA's Air Quality Index (AQI): green, yellow, orange, red, and purple.
On unhealthy days, schools can use this information to adjust physical activities to help reduce exposure to air pollution, while still keeping students active.
Encourage your school and the schools in your community to adopt the School Flag Program -- use the Get Started tab above to begin!
http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=school_flag_program.index
That's messed up.
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Posted on: May 03 2014,11:31 pm |
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By Jay BusbeeDecember 10, 2013 12:46 PMYahoo News
In America, we're used to our government, our industry and our media putting a spin on events to make the world seem a brighter, better place than it really is. But some of China's media is showing some impressive spin talent of its own, with a rationalization for pollution that is, quite literally, breathtaking.
Much of China has been suffering through choking smog in recent weeks, which has hampered daily activities and forced the closure of schools. In response, state broadcaster CCTV published a list of reasons documenting the benefits of smog. Yes, benefits.
A Time magazine translator indicated the following CCTV rationalizations for smog:
1. It unifies the Chinese people.
2. It makes China more equal.
3. It raises citizen awareness of the cost of China’s economic development.
4. It makes people funnier.
5. It makes people more knowledgeable (of things like meteorology and the English word haze).
That's some interesting rationalization. Following that line of thinking, hurricanes also unify people by forcing them to leave their isolated homes and gather in collectives. Tornadoes give people a sense of the power of nature. Wildfires place everyone on an equal footing by burning everyone's possessions to the ground. See? The problem isn't nature, the problem is you.
Oh, but the campaign wasn't done. The Global Times, which is published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, noted that smog has a defensive benefit. “Smog may affect people’s health and daily lives," the newspaper wrote, "but on the battlefield, it can serve as a defensive advantage in military operations." The article pointed to military operations in Kosovo and Saudi Arabia that used smoke as a means of obscuring the enemy's sight lines and fouling electronic equipment. This takes "we had to burn the village to save it" to a completely new level.
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Posted on: May 03 2014,11:44 pm |
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An interesting story about Los Angeles war with smog. It's interesting that the oil companies 50 years ago hired researchers to prove ozone was a natural product and the researchers verified that it was caused by man instead. I'm sure the oil companies wouldnt do underhanded things like that today. 
http://www.aqmd.gov/news1/archives/history/marchcov.html
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Posted on: May 04 2014,7:42 am |
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As we all know by now, oil companies are as American as apple pie. They would never do anything that would harm the enviroment or people. They go out of their way to provide safe, clean burning product. They make sure their work enviroment is safe. Cost of such is never a problem with these giant, fuzzy, warm companies. After all, without people, who would they sell their product to. Just the other day, I am not positive but, I think I saw the CEO of EXXON MOBIL help an elderly woman with her groceries and walk her across the street.
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Posted on: May 04 2014,8:00 am |
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