Can you show me one example of anyone claiming that the attack on the Liberty wasn't a "violent attack"? Even so how does that make the term "those people" arbitrary when "those people" clearly referred to US Citizen violently attacking the US?
Is there any event in US history that you don't think involved a conspiracy theory?
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The US and Israel, and all the news said the event with the USS Liberty was a "tragic accident". NOT a violent attack.
As for "those people" who were "violently attacking" the US. They have said that only one of "those people" were targeted. The other three American citizens were collateral damage apparently. Here's some good material from the ACLU on drone strikes, not just the strikes that killed these four people. http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/targeted-killings
The reason the government is now giving for going after the only one drone target is that he was the one who planned and directed the Underwear bomber. And of course we just have to take their word that he was a danger, but there are some serious flaws with one of the things they pinned on him.
If anyone checks into this event even a little bit, this event sounds very much like one of the FBI's set up terrorist plots mentioned in that NYTimes article that has been posted in here a time or two. The NYTimes article even mentions this event, but according to the article it was "real" and not staged.
The underwear bombers father went to authorities trying to tell them he is worried about his son and that he thinks he is planning an act of terrorism. - He was pretty much ignored. Then there's witnesses saying how he was allowed on the plane when he shouldn't have been.
The most informative piece of information though comes from congressional testimony on this.
I apologize, I had better videos than this, but all of my save folders and files were wiped out a couple of days ago. It's quite difficult to find the full testimony of this event, but hopefully I can find it again, or at least transcripts of the two hearings. This is a pretty good video though.
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Is there any event in US history that you don't think involved a conspiracy theory?
Is there any official story, no matter how full of holes, no matter how ridiculous sounding, no matter how contradictory to witnesses and other evidence, and even other government versions you won't swallow?
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The US and Israel, and all the news said the event with the USS Liberty was a "tragic accident". NOT a violent attack.
So if I violently attack someone that I mistake for being someone else then it's not a violent attack, it's just a tragic accident?
So it turns out I was wrong and some people are too stupid to understand what the words violent attack means. Ive got to learn to account for the home schoolers and Iowans when I make such broad statements.
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Most conservatives didn't breath a word of criticism for drone strikes until January '09. Personally, I'd like to see the targeted killings of citizens end for good, as well as the entire war on terror. But let's do it regardless of whether there's an "R" or a "D" next to the name of the POTUS.
Prior to 2009, the rest of the media was holding presidents accountable before January 2009.
What if Bush came with a policy like Bambino did?
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The leak of a document on the Obama administration's drone strike policy has some people in Washington playing the "what if" game.
What if President George W. Bush's administration had written such a document on the legality of drone attacks, even on U.S. citizens working with suspected terrorists overseas?
Former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer tweeted: "Good thing (Department of Justice) drone memo didn't come out in 2008. Candidate Obama would never have put up with stuff like that going on."
Joe Scarborough, the former Republican congressman who hosts MSNBC's Morning Joe, said that if this were the Bush administration, there would be "congressional hearings" and "articles of impeachment." USA Today
Of course when the possibility of collateral damage was too great, Bush rejected drone strikes.
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Calderon pleaded with Bush for armed drones. He had been impressed by the results in Iraq and Afghanistan, two former U.S. officials said. The White House considered the request, but quickly rejected it. It was far too likely to result in collateral damage, they said.
The drone program, which began under the Bush administration in 2002, has greatly expanded under President Barack Obama. While polls find broad public support for the targeted strikes abroad, the "collateral damage" feared by the Bush White House remain(ed) a sticking point.
According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism Obama has quite the reputation for drones.
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Obama strikes: 317 Total reported killed: 2,541-3,540 Civilians reported killed: 411-884 Children reported killed: 168-197 Total reported injured: 1,174-1,479
Of course most of you won't remember the commentary from the Iraq wars where our enemy were called cowards because they didn't face us, but rather left bombs behind to be triggered or they hid in rat holes.
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Can you show me one example of anyone claiming that the attack on the Liberty wasn't a "violent attack"?
Can you give one example of mainstream media, Israeli leader or American presidential administration that said it was a violent attack and not a tragic accident?
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So it turns out I was wrong and some people are too stupid to understand what the words violent attack means. Ive got to learn to account for the home schoolers and Iowans when I make such broad statements.
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So if I violently attack someone that I mistake for being someone else then it's not a violent attack, it's just a tragic accident?
^ Exactly.
at·tack /əˈtak/ Verb Take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force: "in December, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor". Noun An aggressive and violent action against a person or place: "he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint". Synonyms verb. assault - assail noun. assault - onset - aggression - fit - offensive - charge ======
ac·ci·dent /ˈaksidənt/ Noun
An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. A crash involving road or other vehicles, typically one that causes serious damage or injury.
So was it a violent attack or tragic accident? Botto and I say it was a violent attack. The governments and media are the ones who called it a tragic accident.
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It's a pretty safe bet that if this happened on Bush's watch, libbies everywhere would be outraged, and calling for the President's head on a pike, figuratively speaking.
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The US or Israel attack another country it's called preemptive defense. US kills innocent civilians with drone strikes, they're just collateral damage of preemptive defense. US bombs a Chinese Embassy it's a tragic accident. Israel bombs a US ship it's a tragic accident. Israel boards an unarmed flotilla in international waters and kills some people it's called a raid.
How many other countries could get away with these things?
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It's a pretty safe bet that if this happened on Bush's watch, libbies everywhere would be outraged, and calling for the President's head on a pike, figuratively speaking.
It's a stupid stupid game. People keep rooting for their favorite team. Freaking annoying.
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Seriously, how stupid does someone have to be to think that a violent attack isn't a violent attack if the wrong person is attacked? So if I beat the snot out of the kooks kid thinking it's someone else then it's not a violent attack because I accidentally beat the snot out of the wrong person?.
Perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect, and one more reason why parents that home school should be tested to make sure they have an IQ higher than room temp.
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Israel boards an unarmed flotilla in international waters and kills some people it's called a raid.
I wonder how unarmed people stabbed Israeli soldiers?
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I'm the one who keeps saying it was a violent attack, I'm the one who keeps saying the Israeli government, US government, and media NEVER said it was a violent attack. You said to Botto:
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Can you show me one example of anyone claiming that the attack on the Liberty wasn't a "violent attack"?
I answered for him.
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The US and Israel, and all the news said the event with the USS Liberty was a "tragic accident". NOT a violent attack.
One example? That is every example. Both governments, all mainstream national media. NONE OF THEM SAID IT WAS A VIOLENT ATTACK, THEY ALL SAID IT WAS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT.
And where on earth did you get the idea that I home-school Mr. Twister?
Goodgod you are such a pathetic waste of time and energy.
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I'm the one who keeps saying it was a violent attack, I'm the one who keeps saying the Israeli government, US government, and media NEVER said it was a violent attack.
Let's try this again. You made the absurd claim that when you attack the wrong person it's not a violent attack but rather a tragic accident. In fact when I tried to clarify your position by asking "So if I violently attack someone that I mistake for being someone else then it's not a violent attack, it's just a tragic accident? " And your response was "^ Exactly. "
What part was the tragic accident the two jets unloading their ordinance, the three torpedo boats, or the napalm bombs the second group of aircraft dropped?
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And where on earth did you get the idea that I home-school Mr. Twister?
Goodgod you are such a pathetic waste of time and energy.
Sorry, I must have confused home school and reform school.
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