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Glad I Left 
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Posted on: Sep. 04 2010,12:08 pm |
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I don't really have an opinion one way or the other global warming/climate change or whatever anyone calls it these days. Are temps rising? Is it man's fault alone? Who knows, there is evidence both ways on that.
I think most of us can agree that living in a clean world is better than the opposite. However, when do you stop taxing yourself into oblivion to achieve this utopia?
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After we screw up health care reform, let's take on the initiative of unscrewing the education system (gov't education)
Tacitus: (c. 56 AD-c. 117) "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates."
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Sep. 04 2010,1:37 pm |
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Who wouldn't agree that there's climate change... take this morning for instance. friggen cold out when I walked outside and it was only 3 weeks ago we had heat indices in the 100's. 
I find it funny when you call a lib out on the global warming bologna, and then they assume you support pollution...  I mean, didn't they want to tax cattle farmers because the farts from cows created to much carbon emissions? Come on..grow some brains. About as dumb as developing a fart-o-meter and sticking on your bed and charging you a tax everytime you rip one before you climb out of your fart sack for the day. Crap...I better not give Al Gore any ideas...
The alarmist would like you to believe that man has created this and therfore should fix it when the fact of the matter is that the earth has been warming and cooling since it was created.
It's as if th baby boom generation is searching for a way to "save" the world. As if they are trying to one up the "greatest generation". The baby boomers have lived in the shadow of their father's and they are trying desperately to prove that they're just as worthy.
nuff said...
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 04 2010,2:39 pm |
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Call me forgetful but isn't carbon dioxide needed? If I remember back from science class plants take in CO2 and convert that back into O2. All of this bologna about CO2 being bad is BS.
The earth needs CO2, we need CO2 to survive.
Also they have a funny routine played on the radio down here, about that psycho enviro-nut-whack-job that was rightfully so killed at the discover channel HQ's, about he was part of Al Gore-Qaeda, truly some funny stuff.
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memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Sep. 04 2010,9:09 pm |
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(jimhanson @ Sep. 04 2010,2:15 pm)
QUOTE Expatriate-- QUOTE I will agree with you Hypoxia, carbon dioxide emissions from aviation is a major problem, jet engines are massive fuel consumers exhausting directly to the upper atmosphere, they benefit a handleful of passengers compared to rail or bus..even fewer when used by Government officials, whether they be Federal or State.. You assume that " climate change" is REAL--unproven. Then you assume that it is caused by MAN--unproven. That's the hypocrisy of the AlBore's and Obummers of the world--decrying "man-caused global warming" while flying jets around to speak about eliminating it--and proposing a tax on emissions as well. Where are all of the REST of the people that believe in this hoax? Why aren't they castigating Albore and The One for their hypocrisy? Why aren't these guys taking the bus, the train, or their Prius to these meetings? 
You're the one who brought up the inefficiency of air travel I merely concurred, jet engines are fuel hogs, rail like Japan or Europe would be much more fuel efficient..I do believe in finite fossil fuel resources...
Humans have a better chance of surviving Global warming in my opinion than global cooling..just how much snow and ice can the poles of the North and South hemisphere hold before a cycle takes place...
It was reported some years back that six American fighter planes and two bombers that crash-landed on the ice in Greenland during World War II were found 46 years later buried under 260 feet of ice...if ice was building at that rate isn't it time for a cycle..
Global warming may be a natural cycle, my opinion is humans don't know as much as they think they do, it really wasn't all that long ago the greatest scientific minds told us the world was flat..
The Global Warming cry has been around for some time now it really hasn't taken off until Corporate America saw the chance to make a buck and sent their lobbyists to whisper in our representatives ears "green economy" it doesn't take much of a search to find one of the biggest profiteers of global warming, General Electric which produces wind turbines, the gas turbines utilities are buying to back up the wind turbines that don't produce electricity and they've got there fingers into cap and trade too..
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Sep. 05 2010,12:00 pm |
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Expatriate--my views are exactly the same as yours, but I differ on the statement QUOTE You're the one who brought up the inefficiency of air travel I merely concurred, jet engines are fuel hogs, rail like Japan or Europe would be much more fuel efficient.. Yes, rail is more efficient--but I didn't make an efficiency argument for air travel. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of AlBore and Obummer in profligate and unneccesary uses of jets, all the while pushing their unproven agenda. QUOTE Not to mention AlBore's jets and Obummer burning 6000 gallons of jet fuel to plant one tree in Colorado.
If they REALLY believed in global warming "climate change"--they wouldn't engage in such behavior.
I know, I know--"They're doing it for our own good."
Expatriate QUOTE It was reported some years back that six American fighter planes and two bombers that crash-landed on the ice in Greenland during World War II were found 46 years later buried under 260 feet of ice...if ice was building at that rate isn't it time for a cycle..
Buzz Kaplan from Owatonna was in on that dig, as well as my friends Pat Epps from Atlanta and Norman Vaughn from Alaska. We flew over it again in 1996--all of the buildings used at the time are buried. Your point is a good illustration--the aircraft were indeed 262 feet below the surface. They melted down with hot water coils to reach them.
The fact that they were buried under 262 feet of ice is a sign that the snow pack is GROWING, not shrinking as the alarmists whine about. That area of the icecap gets about 40 feet of snow a year. The weight of the snow squeezes the snow crystals into solid ice--the transition occurs about 67 feet below the surface. It is the weight of this accumulated ice that starts glaciers flowing to the sea. Alarmists point to "calving" glaciers falling into the sea. Far from being a sign of glacial deterioration, it is the sign of healthy glaciers--the fact that they have enough snow on the upper reaches of the glacier to cause it to flow.
This ice becomes icebergs, and as we all know,the melting of those icebergs is causing polar bears to drown, according to Algore! 
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alcitizens
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Posted on: Sep. 05 2010,12:53 pm |
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^ding-a-ling
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Wolfie
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,12:30 am |
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Does anyone else find it ironic that the gunman at the Discovery Channels HQ had a concern that they weren't broadcasting enough material about population control and the cops shot him.
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I have the ability to make the 1200 meter shot, but some targets deserve the up close kill, where you can watch the life leave the eyes while the blood ebbs from the body.
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