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Paul Harvey 
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,3:29 pm |
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Speaking of which...I miss old Hoosier... 
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,3:43 pm |
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| Quote | | Man you don't like it if someone disagrees with you. |
On the contrary, I LOVE it when someone disagrees with me! If we all agreed, there would be no "discussion".
| Quote | | Well Jim Bush gave a statement vowing to stand on the side of those defending life. It sounds like government intervention to me. |
| Quote | | Lest anyone think I'm 100% "pro-life"--I wouldn't want to live in a vegetative state--mental incapacitation has been called the "old man's friend"--a way to check out without the histronics. |
To imply that I am 100% pro-life when I stated otherwise is either misinterpreting or mis-stating the case--which one is it?
Isn't it interesting--for this to become law, it has to be ratified by both Houses--535 members. All Bush has to do is sign it--yet you single out Bush as the "bad guy" for signing the bill. Kind of like blaming the guy that washed and detailed your new car for a problem that happened during assembly. I guess the "Blame Bush" organization amongst liberals is still going strong.
| Quote | | You'd think he would be used to it by now. |
A couple of conservatives to combat all the libbies on this Forum--fortunately, it isn't difficult--I'd call that a fair fight!
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Krusty
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,4:23 pm |
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From the Christian Sicence Monitor 3/21/05
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Slideshow: Terri Schiavo Right-to-Die Case
"Behind the move by many Republicans on Capitol Hill is a desire to advance a "culture of life" agenda that they think will be important in the 2006 elections and beyond. At the same time, many conservative groups see the fight to save Mrs. Schiavo as an extension of the war over judicial nominations and "activist" judges.
But the decision of congressional leaders to intervene in the case, which played out dramatically over Palm Sunday weekend, reflects a highly charged mix of religion and politics that critics say could have broad and unintended consequences. "
Jim the problem with the new right is the ends justify the means and to hell with anything else!
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,5:48 pm |
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| Quote | | Jim the problem with the new right is the ends justify the means and to hell with anything else! |
The bill passed both the House and the Senate and in virtually unprecedented order--but you seem able to make this a partisan issue. How is this a "new right" issue?
Clowns are silent--with your farcial, skewed view of the world, you should re-brand yourself as a comedian.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,7:04 pm |
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Hot off the press--posted at 5:57 pm--an ABC News poll on the subject. Excerpts:| Quote | | Views on this issue are informed more by ideological and religious views than by political partisanship. Republicans overall look much like Democrats and independents in their opinions. |
| Quote | | Conservatives and evangelicals also are more likely to support federal intervention in the case, although it doesn't reach a majority in either group. Indeed, conservative Republicans oppose involving the federal courts, by 57 percent-41 percent. |
So much for it being a partisan issue.| Quote |
Should Feeding Tube Be Removed?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 77% 18
Evangelical 46 44
Catholics 63 26
Liberals 68 24
Moderates 69 22
Conservatives 54 40
Democrats 65 25
Independents 63 28
Republicans 61 34
Conservative Reps. 55 40
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Not a lot of differences between Republicans and Democrats.
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Should Federal Government Intervene?
Support Oppose
Non-evangelical 26% 71
Evangelical 44 50
Catholics 38 56
Liberals 34 62
Moderates 29 67
Conservatives 48 49
Democrats 34 63
Independents 31 61
Republicans 39 58
Conservative Reps. 41 57
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Note that there is not much difference between Democrats and Republicans on this issue--but contrary to earlier assertions, it is the CONSERVATIVES that DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE.
Link to ABC News Poll--contains link to raw data. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=599622
Conservatives criticized the poll format, saying "it amounts to push polling"| Quote | However, a look at the questionnaire shows that ABC News completely misrepresented Terri's medical condition, which undoubtedly impacted the responses given. Question 2, which asks the central question, claims that Terri is on life support:
ABC News question2. Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible. Her husband and her parents disagree about whether she would have wanted to be kept alive. Florida courts have sided with the husband and her feeding tube was removed on Friday.
Terri has never been on life support. The only medical treatment Terri received for the past five years has been food and water through a feeding tube, which is nothing at all like artificial life support. Artificial life support consists of ventilation for people unable to breathe on their own. |
If the ABC News poll is to be believed, there really ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES POSITION. One more time | Quote | The problem is not of government intervention--the problem is "Who is authorized to make decisions terminating life?" What is the "pecking order:? Is it the spouse? The children (if so, which one)? The doctor?
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scorenix
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,10:08 pm |
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| Quote (jimhanson @ Mar. 21 2005,3:43,pm) | | All Bush has to do is sign it--yet you single out Bush as the "bad guy" for signing the bill. Kind of like blaming the guy that washed and detailed your new car for a problem that happened during assembly. I guess the "Blame Bush" organization amongst liberals is still going strong. |
A fairer analogy might be Bush is the inspection guy that signs off on the car as it leaves the assembly line. After all, the House and the Senate can pass, but without George's signature, it's going nowhere.
What's also missing from this discussion is the conservative mantra of states' rights. Now they disagree with a state court decision, actually numerous ones that have gone against their beliefs, so they toss in the Feds to supersede states' rights hpoing their means will justify their end.
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jayroq
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Posted on: Mar. 21 2005,11:53 pm |
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This topic does not belong in government. It sickens me to see these politicians jump on the band wagon. It looks like having a living will is the way to go to avoid this kind of mess.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,8:53 am |
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I think that this issue is a family issue and I believe government should not get involved in family issues. I guess the one point that gets to me is that we are willing to let this person suffer for as long as it takes, but if the government decided you have committed a crime and must pay with your life you are given a lethal injection and you die in fifteen minutes. I just hope she is not suffering.
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Mamma
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,9:01 am |
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There was a doctor on t.v. last night explaining her condition. I wish everyone could have heard it. Basically, she is brain dead and there is no chance that she is going to improve. Her movements, of her eyes and etc. are basic reflexes not controlled by her. Unless you have seen a person in this condition you have no idea what it is like. It's not in her best interest to let her linger on when she died 5 years ago.
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hairhertz
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,9:25 am |
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Staring her to death isn't right, though. We'd be in jail if we starved our pets to death or refused to give water to them.
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