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DrBombay 
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,3:54 am |
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Ok I started a new thread so no one from the Taco King gang gets offended.
If you remember we were having a nice little chat about Taco King, when RepDan beside himself with self-indulgence barges in to complain about some family writing letters to the editor about him. (Which I guess is better than harrassing old ladies over the phone like he did last time.) He posts:
| Quote | | FYI, and sorry to jump off topic, but if you read the letter in the paper on Sunday, another member of the Dresher family wrote in, this time ripping my vote to let certain non-us citizens buy ag land. In Minnesota before last year, an immigrant could own a resturant in Minnesota, but not ag land. There are farmers from Holland who are coming to this county to dairy, but they have been going to Calf and Idaho where they can set up their farms. I guese for some it's ok to let them work in the fields, just as long as the don't own them. If the laws that are in place now were in place when our area was settled they could not have bought a farm! |
I didn't get that paper but was curious of what the letter said that would cause RepDans close call with a mental breakdown. I finally did get a hold of a Sunday paper. Here is the letter...
| Quote | Questions About Dorman's Votes on Agriculture
Rep. Dorman helped to pass a bill in favor of foreign ownership of our agriculture land. This is wrong. Bills like these do not address the needs of our family farms. We need ot be more focused on helping homegrown family farms receive good stable commodity prices. We need to be more focused on finding ways to encourage new and beginning local farmers to start in dairy and farming rather than working to allow for foreign investment in MN dairies and farm land. In addition because of the Republican road blocks in our current legislature, a bonding bill did not get passed causing the Conservation Reserve Program, a program designed to conserve our enviromental habitatat, to go unfunded. It is time for a change in this area's voice in the House of Representatives. |
After reading this letter one can see that the writer is speaking of something a bit different than RepDan has lead us to believe with his post. Personally I was under the impression that RepDan was looking out for the poor immigrant farmer or field worker, giving them a chance to get their own plot of land. Not so.....this refers to SF2428. The MN Alien Farm Law (like corporate farm law) this bill amended the law to allow Foriegners with "substantial" investments to enter and own land with E-2 visas. Substantial is hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. If the Visa applicant is not the principal investor they must have specialized skills, ordinary skilled or unskilled workers do not qualify.
Info about E-2 Visas:
http://www.us-immigration-attorney.com/e1-treaty-trader-investor.htm
So RepDan you led us to believe that you were doing a good thing for the little guy, the immigrant with a dream of owning his own farm in the USA. Instead you helped make it harder for the Minnesota Dairy Farmer to stay afloat just to give a break to Foreign Corporations.
Maybe there is some kind of economic opportunity with this E-2 Visa stuff, but that's not my point. You deliberatly mis-led us and you know it.
| Quote | | I guese for some it's ok to let them work in the fields, just as long as the don't own them. |
No, mis-led is to mild. You lied, and for no reason you went out of your way to do it.
What highly skilled Millionaire works his own fields?
I find your conduct pathetic! Another full of sh-t politician!! 
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Paul Harvey
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,4:40 am |
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No he didn't. In one case the people bring their own money to invest. In your case you'd like me(through taxes) pay to start up young farmers! Piss on that! Those fukers already drive around in new F-150's loaded to the gills with assets far exceeding my own. See the difference. To recap-- The foriegn guy brings IN the money and you want government to give money to farmers. Government money comes from me and people like me.
Forget it...you'll prolly never understand anyhow.
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,8:41 am |
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Once again nice try. If calling someone to discuss a letter they wrote is harresment, I'm guilty. I don't follow all the postings, but I don't believe that was the first time we got off topic.
The farmers in question are coming from Holland to the USA, they are going to Idaho and Calf. I would like them here in Freeborn County.
Hows our dairy industry doing?
Help me understand how having more farmers here hurts our dairy industry? As we lose more and more of our cows, we also lose the processing and input business.
Before the law change, an immigrant could not own AG land in Minnesota, now they can. How many farms in this county do you think were started by immigrants?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,8:58 am |
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Here is a link http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/500/221.html
There are a few important changes. The farmers/investors must become a resident or permanent resident alien within 5 years.
Foreign Corporations?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,10:08 am |
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http://www.agstar.com/uploads/legupdate042604.pdf
Info on the bill.
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,12:59 pm |
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We all get off topic all the time, that's no big deal!!!
My point was not the dairy industry or whether or not the investor deal was good or bad, my point is that you were deceptive in your explanation.
| Quote | | Maybe there is some kind of economic opportunity with this E-2 Visa stuff, but that's not my point. You deliberatly mis-led us and you know it. |
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,1:37 pm |
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Paul Harvey;
| Quote | | Forget it...you'll prolly never understand anyhow. |
Yes I do get it. I never ever would want a farmer to possess more assets than you.
You of all people should admit that RepDans post was mis-leading.| Quote | | Good point Dan. I'm surprised...I thought you of all people would be racist and not support ownership. |
Can you honestly say you thought he was talking about rich European investors here??? I don't think so.
Forget it... you'll prolly never understand anyhow.
Good Day!
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hoosier
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,1:46 pm |
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LMAO @ DrBombay.
You really caught Repdan off guard when you started using logic to explain your post, thats where you lost him.
Say something stupid that doesnt mean anything, he will understand it then. 
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Paul Harvey
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,1:48 pm |
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Rich Europeans! huh?
Anyone who can afford to buy a farm is rich you geek. You're racist to the bone that's all.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2004,2:01 pm |
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Dont you ever tire of looking like an idiot and calling everyone that talks about something you cant understand a racist?
Talking to you Paul Harvey, I mean Minnow!
Sometimes, its the person that sees racism in everything that anyone says or does, that is truely the racist.
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The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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