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BS Fighter 
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,5:42 pm |
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THAT's BS that Paul Sparks can certify that there is no association with the Seaboard Farms east coast mobsters and Premium Pork and still stay out of our new jail  Isn't he from Jersey or somewhere else where these Soprano packer men come from? 
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Feb. 14 2004,11:11 pm |
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I believe the owner of Seaboard live in Boston Mass. 
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2004,2:30 pm |
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Still an eastcoast mobster though, according to the U.S. Justice Dept. He probably just has better table manners being from Beantown  Better to be ripped off by a polite mobster, like we did Still a good point, if that company had come here, would'nt we be getting stung twice by the same people under the same local leadership? Why does that not scare people into wondering what has really been going on? Lateral movement is not going to solve anything. If anything, we are going to be more vulneralbe to some shady dealings now. 
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 15 2004,5:15 pm |
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Paul Sparks is the Antichrist.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Feb. 27 2004,5:36 pm |
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It looks like St. Joseph has a few sleuths of their own as one letter to the editor dated Feb. 14 states. | Quote | Seaboard’s triumph
On Wednesday, Feb. 4, it was announced that Seaboard Farms will be marketing all pork produced at the Triumph Foods plant in St. Joseph. One of the owners, Bob Christensen, stated, “This doesn’t change anything in any substantial way.”
The 8-K Current Report filed by Seaboard Corporation with the Securities and Exchange Commission of the United States of America on February 3, 2004, tells a different story. According to that filing, which is required by government regulation to be truthful and accurate, the following will occur:
1) Seaboard will have substantial involvement in the “engineering, design, construction and development” of the Triumph Foods plant;
2) Triumph Foods employees will be trained at Seaboard’s Guymon, Oklahoma plant;
3) All Triumph food products will be sold, branded and labeled as Seaboard products;
4) Seaboard will have “real time, online access” to every record, report, data, or other information regarding either the Triumph plant or the Guymon plant;
5) Seaboard will put in place a highly sophisticated proprietary software system at Triumph Foods belonging to it;
6) The Triumph Food plant will be operated according to the scheduling directives of Seaboard;
7) Seaboard will actually transport anything produced at the Triumph Foods plant to Seaboard customers;
8) Seaboard initially will send actual Seaboard employees to the Triumph Foods plant to work there;
9) Seaboard will be given actual space in the Triumph Foods plan for its employees and managers;
10) Despite earlier statements, the Triumph plant will slaughter 15,000 hogs per day. This will require two shifts slaughtering 1,000 hogs per hour, a plant size much larger than initially announced, amounting to over five million hogs per year.
The end result is that, although separate legal entities will be maintained, the plant in St. Joseph will otherwise be built according to Seaboard’s specifications, staffed with employees trained by Seaboard, run with Seaboard’s software, and will produce Seaboard products.
Three years ago, hundreds of St. Joseph citizens drove Seaboard from this city because of its appalling track record in other communities. The result now is that the City of St. Joseph has paid over $9 million to bring to St. Joseph what is, in essence, a Seaboard plant. The likely result, given Seaboard’s track records in other communities, will be decreased economic opportunities for other businesses, environmental degradation, pressure on St. Joseph’s limited infrastructure, exploitation of undereducated migrant workers, and incredible pressures on the St. Joseph school systems and social-support systems. It is a deceptive and shameful outcome.
Creath S. Thorne
St. Joseph
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And another one | Quote | Slick Seaboard maneuver
Well, well, our friend Casey Myers has been right in his thinking about the Triumph Foods pork plant and Seaboard. He’s said all along it was just a front for Seaboard. I have always felt that way, too. The company already has changed its name once, and I think we will see more come to light before it’s all over. It was a slick way for Seaboard to get into St. Joseph, which public officials could not see.
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and last, but not least, exactly what I've been saying all along, this letter. | Quote | The shell game
If it weren’t so embarrassing, it would be hilarious. But what the heck, the joke’s on us, so it’s hilarious anyway. If we can’t laugh at ourselves, whom can we laugh at?
The headline story in the Feb. 10 issue of St. Joseph News Press, “Seaboard’s role far from minimal,” very effectively points out that Rick Hoffman and his investor group have indeed very efficiently duped both David Jones, mayor of St. Joseph, and Pat Lilly, president and CEO of the St. Joseph Area Chamber of Commerce, as well as the citizens of St. Joseph.
Reportedly, both Mr. Jones and others were totally convinced that Seaboard Farms’ pork operations were lower than the lowest scum and that this city wanted no part of this company. They were able to convince enough of our citizens of that fact that we kept Seaboard from building a pork-processing plant in St. Joseph.
For some reason, Seaboard had made a decision that St. Joseph was where it needed to be. So, some of its investors simply formed a different company with the same fellow, Rick Hoffman, to head a new group to be known as Triumph Foods. Mr. Hoffman then proceeded to sell the idea that a pork-producing facility was exactly what St. Joseph needed. Mr. Hoffman not only sold the idea of locating a pork processing facility in our fair city, but persuaded Mr. Jones and Mr. Lilly to vigorously sell that idea to our citizens and to sell us on the fact that we should help finance the venture. Pretty smart fellow that Mr. Hoffman, don’t you think?
Why didn’t Seaboard build in Elwood, Kan., on land they purchased? The answer may be that Elwood, a smaller and less prosperous community simply could not offer the financial support needed to start a new operation of this magnitude. Or remote as it may be, possibly the risk of another flood like the one in 1993 is simply too great. We will likely never know the answer to that question.
Triumph/Seaboard offer much-needed jobs. And, the net loss of jobs in our community in the last few years is deplorable. I contend, once Mr. Hoffman has Triumph Foods up and running, our citizens should support him to become our mayor and/or our president and CEO of the St. Joseph Chamber of Commerce. We need agile dynamic leaders who know how to get things done and lead our city to growth and prosperity.
Don H. Roach
St. Joseph
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Here's the headline story from Feb 10 shell game
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 27 2004,8:21 pm |
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Remember Sparky telling us how they were different than Seaboard? That AFTER he already ADMITTED that Hoffman had duped him in the past.
Sparky needs to go now!
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farouk
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Posted on: Mar. 01 2004,2:23 pm |
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What does that say for the locals that represented Hoffman to Sparks and the city?
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 01 2004,5:52 pm |
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Well farouk, it could mean that they were unwitting dupes picked because they were oblivious, or they were in on another scam that fortunately did not make it to fruition. At least we dodged the bullet for once. ;)
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 01 2004,7:26 pm |
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Here's part of an article from Feb. 10, 2004 in the St. Joe's paper. | Quote |
Paul Sparks, the city manager in Albert Lea, Minn., said he always suspected there could be some sort of involvement between Seaboard and what is now known as Triumph. Albert Lea is one of the cities that competed against St. Joseph in an attempt to attract Triumph Foods.
Mr. Sparks said he was surprised to learn some of the details of the Triumph/Seaboard affiliation.
“We had concerns there might be an affiliation,” he said. “I don’t think we would have made a proposal if we had known it was going to be that close of a relationship.”
Mr. Sparks said Albert Lea tried to insist on a provision to give the city veto power if Triumph attempted to sell its business to Seaboard, a company that had closed a facility in Albert Lea.
He said he’s not surprised to learn that production at the St. Joseph plant could eventually reach 15,000 hogs a day, which was similar to what Albert Lea anticipated.
In St. Joseph, officials previously said production would be limited to 8,000 hogs a day. The smaller production level was one of the reasons given for the plant’s projected ability to attract most of its workers from the St. Joseph area.
“That part never made sense to us,” said Mr. Sparks, who said added capacity increases efficiency. “All of our planning was for 16,000 a day.”
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and full article if you want to read more. SEABOARD
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 01 2004,8:45 pm |
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So he always suspected a tie, I thought he was sure that there wasn't one? Now he is in charge of the Port Authority? What are we doing?
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