[QUOTE=Expatriate]WOW, 21 people get gunned down at a Kansas City Misery Superbowl event and we can't even get "thoughts and prayers" out of our Right-Wingers...[/quote] And?
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Lax to nonexistent gun laws in Missouri, hows that working out for Y'all Bayou Boi? CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY a pistol in every pocket!
Pretty sure that's how exercising an enumerated right works as rights do not require govt permission to exercise.
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There is no permit, background check or firearms registration required when buying a handgun from a private individual.
Good. Isn't any of the govts business in how private individuals lawfully conduct a transaction. Then there is the whole fact that such sales are codified within the FOPA86 Act. Also within the FOPA86 Act; language was included to prohibit registries at the local, state and federal level. Registries only serve one purpose, eventual confiscation.
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Open carry and concealed carry are legal in Missouri without a Concealed Carry Permit (CCP) for anyone 19 years or older..
OK. And? Pretty sure that's the point of permit-less carry, not needing govt permission to exercise a negative right.
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850 good guys with guns (Cops) could protect the public..
Did you leave off a conjunctive 'nt? While there was a police presence there, were near the area, not directly in the area. Then there is the whole fact that there has been numerous supreme court rulings that have said the police have no duty to protect.
-------------- *SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS / MOLON LABE / Se Defendendo memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis *The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
^^ and in Minnesota we have LOCAL background checks on pistol and AR-15–style rifles...require classes before a carry permit is issued...
Lax gun laws in Red States have turned them into free fire zones...IMO
Ahh the ol canard of "lax gun laws in red states" an often repeated lie by grabbers, while ignoring the inconvenient truth of states like california, illinois, et al. Well if you drill down deep, you will notice the areas with the highest rates of crime committed with firearms are all in heavily controlled democrat cities.
-------------- *SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS / MOLON LABE / Se Defendendo memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis *The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
@ GD Yeah, I meant couldn't, isn't the motto of our police to protect and serve, but whatever, I understand what you're saying! But I'd think the court ruling you refer to is more about protecting law enforcement from liability.
The Second Amendment is probably one of the most debated Amendments.
Ratified December 15th 1791 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What does well regulated mean, the only thing that separates well regulated is commas.
From 1994 to 2004 they had a ban on what they labeled Federal Assault Weapons Ban which ban manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms also as certain ammunition magazines that were defined as large capacity.
Some firearms were banned completely, other manufacturers skirted the law by dropping the Flash Deflector/Suppressor and the bayonet lug.The next time I fear it'll be a real ban!
Again, I'm not for any PROHIBITION or excessive regulation but a pistol in every pocket doesn't seem to be working out. We have to have regulation to preserve our Second Amendment rights.
We're actually on the same side, I'm just willing to except regulation. We have to stop all this senseless slaughter.
As to my Red State comment I'll included Pew Research Center study of gun deaths, unfortunately they include suicides.
Maybe I'd want to kill myself too if I lived in a RED State..LOL
CastleRock, Warren etc. are all cases where the holding in the supreme court held that there is no constitutional obligation that police have to protect the public and held that the role of police is protection of govt interests.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, " this inclusion in the prefatory clause is about being ready, equipped when called up for muster. Since the people were to bring their own musket, ball and powder. Further explained in the Militia Act of 1792. The prefatory has no holding or bearing on the objective right it self which belongs to the people.
94AWB, facially and as applied was unconstitutional, just because the supreme court never took on a challenge of said unconstitutional law doesn't mean the supreme court was in agreement. In 2008, the holding in Heller(handguns) ruled that firearms in possession for common lawful purposes cannot be banned and that it is the people who decide what is common use and not the govt, further in Heller Scailia also held that arms that it might be possible to ban certain arms if they were deemed "dangerous and unusual". Notice the usage of "possible" and the "and".
So in other words in Heller, commonly possessed arms cannot be banned and the test to determine the ability to ban is based on the conjunctive test of "dangerous and unusual" AR/AK/MCX, etc. type arms are very in common use since there are millions of these arms in possession by the people, so those arms do no meet the "unusual" portion of the test "dangerous and unusual"
Bruen, which is Heller 2.0 and cites Heller in the ruling 34 times further explained Heller that it is govts burden of proof to justify a modern day ban in using historical analogs from the time of founding and that correct time period is 1791.
Constitutional rights are not subject to polling data and shows desperation in an attempt to interest balance a negative enumerated right, when said enumerated right is already an interest balance.
However States that have adopted permit-less carry have seen a drop in crimes in the 6%-10%+ range in the more populated cities, the often cried out of "wild west" just isn't bearing out. As I've said before, democrat controlled cities are where the highest homicide rate is going to occur, so it's disingenuous to assume because it's a "red" state it must be because of "lax firearm laws". What is also missing from such polling nonsense is the number of times a year crimes are prevented by an estimated 2.5million times a year. The positive uses of personally carried arms dwarfs the criminally misused.
Sorry but stating, "I am for the 2nd Amendment, but..." puts you into the fudd gun grabber category.
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A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniences, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it. The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons.
- Ceasare Beccaria
The passage above from his "On Crimes and Punishment" published in 1764, heavily influenced the language during drafting of the 2nd Amendment, combined with lessons learned from King Alfred circa 600AD along with the writings of Blackstone's "Rights of Englishmen" and the importance of an armed populace.
-------------- *SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS / MOLON LABE / Se Defendendo memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis *The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
The former CEO of the National Rifle Association, Wayne LaPierre, was found liable of fraud and ordered to pay over five million dollars, and the NRA, as an organization, was also found liable of committing crimes.
That woman is an idiot, goes off on a tangent that had nothing to do with the facts of the case and just rattled off BS interest balancing nonsense. So the verdict was, wlp and wilson phillips have to pay back a lil over 6mil combined to the nra and there maybe an overseer appointed by the court.
The other thing, the nra hasn't really been a big player for quite a few decades, after all they have been called Negotiating Rights Away for a long time now.
The new big dog(s) is currently the SAF and the NSSF, followed up by GOA, FPC and NAGR.
Quite telling when certain youtube biological mistakes are omitting the outcome of the trial.
-------------- *SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS / MOLON LABE / Se Defendendo memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis *The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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