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If only you would advocate for victims of illegal aliens and Muslim extremist with as much passion as you do when spewing your hatred of Republicans and Christians.  That goes for the lot of you...you know who you are.

I didn't mention illegals or Muslims. You brought it up, which says much in itself.

When religions become politicized all you get is garbage.
There's no need to search far & wide for cruelty by so-called religious. Our own backyard has ample experience---school bullying, racism, domestic violence, ALDF. In no way does this observation ignore or absolve the cruelty of other religions. The failure to critique one's own beliefs, whether religious of political, only begs others to oblige. We know we are victims of religious extremists when we refuse to acknowledge the moderate narrative in those groups. Victims litter the local landscape.

Questioning the role of religion doesn't necessarily mean some spiritual collapse. Some religious folks would rather restrain their religious beliefs from  the ugly world of politics. It's one difference between moderates and Fundamentalists. It's as if the Western religious right is begging for a fight. Now they got one. And the heaps of dead on both sides couldn't care less of paranoid righteous religious zealots.
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If only you would advocate for victims of illegal aliens and Muslim extremist with as much passion as you do when spewing your hatred of Republicans and Christians.  That goes for the lot of you...you know who you are.

I didn't mention illegals or Muslims. You brought it up, which says much in itself.

I didn't say you mentioned them.  That's my point...you didn't bring them up.  Instead you prefer to rip on Republicans and Christians. :dunce:


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When religions become politicized all you get is garbage.
There's no need to search far & wide for cruelty by so-called religious. Our own backyard has ample experience---school bullying, racism, domestic violence, ALDF. In no way does this observation ignore or absolve the cruelty of other religions. The failure to critique one's own beliefs, whether religious of political, only begs others to oblige. We know we are victims of religious extremists when we refuse to acknowledge the moderate narrative in those groups. Victims litter the local landscape.


The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter. :dunce:  :dunce:

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Questioning the role of religion doesn't necessarily mean some spiritual collapse. Some religious folks would rather restrain their religious beliefs from  the ugly world of politics. It's one difference between moderates and Fundamentalists. It's as if the Western religious right is begging for a fight. Now they got one. And the heaps of dead on both sides couldn't care less of paranoid righteous religious zealots.

Yeah...blame the Western religious right. Forgive those that don't back down to Islamic radicals.  Those failing to see the danger puts us all at risk. pfft...
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The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter.

So then why does this behavior exist? I would contend it's failure of ethical expression and values by everyone involved, including religious individuals. Not all bad behavior is expressed by atheists. To cherry pick good behavior---charity, responsibility, empathy,---as religious behavior, then absolve the same individuals when acting like monsters is a sham. Muslims act like monsters and you say it's religious. Christians act like monsters and you say it's secular behavior. I say both are using religion as a flag for good behavior; and an excuse for bad behavior.

At least Breeze realizes the prevalent falseness of modern religion.
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We loathe ourselves. Secretly, perhaps, but nonetheless... If we truly loved ourselves, we'd want to spread that around. That doesn't happen much.

"Love thy neighbor," says the Bible. If you can't love yourself, well, fat chance of that happening. So we tear each other down, in some futile attempt at making ourselves look better. Balk at that all you want, but the evidence of it is everywhere.


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Its been known for decades to stay clear of the middle east or sh!t will hit the fan..

Some Americans will see excellent wages for building weapons to kill the enemy and make the rich even richer..

Why did President Bush invade and occupy Iraq in the first place?
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Why did President Bush invade and occupy Iraq in the first place?

Money for his cronies. Everybody with half a brain knows that.

Next question...


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The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter.

So then why does this behavior exist? I would contend it's failure of ethical expression and values by everyone involved, including religious individuals. Not all bad behavior is expressed by atheists. To cherry pick good behavior---charity, responsibility, empathy,---as religious behavior, then absolve the same individuals when acting like monsters is a sham. Muslims act like monsters and you say it's religious. Christians act like monsters and you say it's secular behavior. I say both are using religion as a flag for good behavior; and an excuse for bad behavior.

At least Breeze realizes the prevalent falseness of modern religion.

Bullying is an act of a stronger willed person preying upon a weaker person, pretty basic.

Moslem is a follower of islam, moslem isn't a race, so to point out monster-ish behavior of daesh due to religion isn't cherry picking, as they are being monsters because of their cultish ideology.


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Moslem is a follower of islam, moslem isn't a race, so to point out monster-ish behavior of daesh due to religion isn't cherry picking, as they are being monsters because of their cultish ideology.

My mistake misusing the term Moslem.

Persons around the world use religions as a tool for all sorts of reasons, not the least being to cloak their dark side. Weekly absolution of this darkness gives them false impressions, cushioning consequences for bad behavior.

As far as bullying. I would say it takes a strong will not to bully, not capitulating to our dark side. Bullying is a cinch. Happens all the time, everywhere. Here. It's a trap I try to avoid.
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We loathe ourselves. Secretly, perhaps, but nonetheless... If we truly loved ourselves, we'd want to spread that around. That doesn't happen much.

"Love thy neighbor," says the Bible. If you can't love yourself, well, fat chance of that happening. So we tear each other down, in some futile attempt at making ourselves look better. Balk at that all you want, but the evidence of it is everywhere.

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Bullying is an act of a stronger willed person preying upon a weaker person, pretty basic.


Like Israel and Palestine?


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