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And if the police did nothing you government hating conspiracy theorists would complain they did nothing while rioters burned the city down. 
If the "peaceful protesters" don't want to get tear gassed then maybe they shouldn't be hanging out with rioters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,10:40 am |
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(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2014,10:29 am)
QUOTE And if the police did nothing you government hating conspiracy theorists would complain they did nothing while rioters burned the city down. If the "peaceful protesters" don't want to get tear gassed then maybe they shouldn't be hanging out with rioters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails.
No, I have no problem with police going after looters and people causing destruction. But they haven't done much of that. It's been the protesters and store owners doing most of the protection of businesses.
QUOTE If the "peaceful protesters" don't want to get tear gassed then maybe they shouldn't be hanging out with rioters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails.
That's such a ridiculous statement I won't even waste my time responding to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...wV1twLg
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QUOTE Those heavy handed thugs were wearing bulletproof vests? What are we going to do with these crazy out of control cops looking to protect themselves?
Yeah, that's the one thing from my comment and that event that you respond to. Typical.
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,11:23 am |
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I thought the post was directed at how expensive and heavy handed it was to show up with bulletproof vests so I adressed the issue of the heavy handed thuggish police wearing bulletproof vests.
Did you want me to also make fun of your complaint that law enforcement showed up on someone's property to seize an illegally imported vehicle that is evidence in a criminal case?
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,11:38 am |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Aug. 20 2014,10:20 am)
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Do those pictures show the molotov cocktails being thrown at police? No.
Right, they were clearly using molotov cocktails to keep warm, or maybe to light their way home after a hard day of peaceful protesting. I have already stated that I don't doubt at all that LOOTERS threw molotov cocktails at buildings. I am doubting they threw them at police officers.
I'm sorry, but I don't see the useful differential here. One is just as bad as the other, in my opinion. In either case, the use of deadly force should be on the table.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2014,11:58 am |
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(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2014,11:23 am)
QUOTE I thought the post was directed at how expensive and heavy handed it was to show up with bulletproof vests so I adressed the issue of the heavy handed thuggish police wearing bulletproof vests.
Did you want me to also make fun of your complaint that law enforcement showed up on someone's property to seize an illegally imported vehicle that is evidence in a criminal case?
Actually, the main point of my comment was the fact that a bunch of DHS agents were involved. Homeland Security. How do the vehicles seized impact the security of the homeland. An officer or investigator of some sort couldn't have gone to the houses of the people who bought the vehicles and discussed things with them? Investigated if the vehicles were indeed illegal? It wasn't the fault of the owners if these vehicles were meddled with to pass inspections.
We have huge financial problems, but DHS and other agencies are being sent out with helicopters and military vehicles in some instances to deal with crimes that really don't warrant such a huge operation.
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QUOTE I'm sorry, but I don't see the useful differential here. One is just as bad as the other, in my opinion. In either case, the use of deadly force should be on the table.
Botto, I am not saying force should not be used against people destroying property, especially the level of destruction that has happened in Ferguson. The point I am trying to make is that while so much of the looting and arson was going on, the police were not doing much about it at all. They were at the site of the protests in droves, pointing guns at the protesters and dressed like an army. While business owners and some of the protesters were actually guarding businesses and trying to stop looters. And I agree with MADDOG, that this type of presence will most likely inflame tensions that are already too high. Creating more anger and problems.
After being highly criticized by so many people about excessive force and looking like a military unit, the police said they were being this way because molotov cocktails were thrown at THEM personally. That would make the situation more understandable. But I have seen nothing that shows their version of events.
The population of Ferguson is like 20,000? How many LEO's have been on the scene?
So if they were dressing and behaving in that way, why not go after looters instead of the aggressive way they were with the protesters?
And why threaten, harass and arrest so many journalists? So maybe some of these police have a difficult time discerning the good guys from the bad guys? For crying out loud, 2 of the reporters arrested were inside a McDonalds charging their equipment. No looters were inside, no chaos, no problems in the McDonalds. And the police knew those men were reporters.
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