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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,12:22 pm |
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QUOTE Why do you suppose that Obummer/Reid/Pelosi are so unpopular? Do you suppose that most people were unhappy with the stench from the health care debacle?
QUOTE They said they'd reform these things, and they did. I guess in this country the only thing worse than breaking a campaign promise, is if you actually KEEP your promise! No-the question was why they are so unpopular. It is because they have passed legislation that the people don't WANT--healthcare being the biggest example. And you call that GOOD GOVERNMENT? 
Irisheyes still believes that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were "only for the rich."
Irish QUOTE The news source I said I viewed the most is C-Span, and you call that a liberal news source? You have to do more than WATCH TV, you have to understand what's ON TV. A dog can watch TV and figure out that SOMETHING is going on, but doesn't understand WHAT. 
QUOTE Maybe when Donks see their taxes going up (at least, those Donks that are WORKING! ) they'll finally see that the tax cuts weren't for "the rich!"
Well, I consider those making over a quarter-million to be rich. I know plenty conservatives are claiming that those making over $250,000 a year are middle-class somehow, but even the median income in Palm Beach is half of that. So yes, tax cuts for the rich will expire, those below that are planned to be continued.
When the tax cuts expire, EVERYONE will be paying more taxes, and it will put to rest the libbie lie that only "the rich" got tax cuts--unfortunately, too late. "Those below that are planned to continue?" Do you not understand that the expiration of the CUTS will raise taxes to where they were before? 
QUOTE First off, INCREASE taxes for those over $250k (the rich), to bring it back to levels before the Bush tax cuts. And that works SO WELL anywhere it's been tried--people are FLOCKING to Socialist countries to start businesses there! It was a disaster during the Great Depression, but libbies keep HOPING Keynesian economics will come back in style.
Irish QUOTE You keep faulting everyone else's plan, but how do you want to fund the wars or tax cuts?
You just don't get it--tax CUTS have ALWAYS ended up INCREASING government revenues. Unfortunately, libbies also increase spending.
QUOTE But then you have to accept that it would mean deep defense cuts. Bases closing, cuts in VA funding, eliminating the wars. Yes--defense spending would have to be re-prioritized. There are a lot of bases that are held open as political pork. The Federal government has a lot of land held by DOD that should be sold and the money used to reduce debt.
QUOTE Cut social programs just as much as defense if you like, but the math has to add up. You can't advocate HUGE increases to defense spending (already the biggest cost of government), wars, and nation building and then say we want low taxes.
Once again, liberals attacking defense as the boogeyman in Federal spending. It is large, but it is a FRACTION of the spending for "entitlements." If you eliminated defense spending in its entirety, it STILL wouldn't balance the budget.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,12:39 pm |
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Back to the topic--Fox News even waxed the lib channels when the libbies own boy was on. From TV By the Numbers:
QUOTE Here are the ratings just for the Presidential address period:
PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS (8:00-8:19PM)
FNC: 2,888,000 in total viewers (694,000 in 25-54)
MSNBC: 1,311,000 in total viewers (373,000 in 25-54)
CNN: 988,000 in total viewers (300,000 in 25-54)
More people watched Barry Soeto on FOX than watched on the lib channels combined. What an embarrassment for the lib channels--they have so few viewers that they can't even turn out the flaming libs to watch their Messiah! 
Maybe it's because so many people have defected from the Donk party.
Maybe it's because of Barry's limited vocabulary--"I", "We", "The past 8 years" (somebody tell him that 2 of the last 8 years have been HIS!) "Hope" "Change"....
Or maybe the Fox viewers tuned in for a laugh--to see what gaffe Obummer as going to make THIS time! 
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,1:56 pm |
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QUOTE I thought you republican kooks claimed that ABC, CBS, and NBC were "libbie" channels?
It's YOU that needs to pay attention, Libbie. Here's my quote from Sept. 3.-- QUOTE
Here's the Cable News Ratings for Sept. 1, from TV by the numbers:
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,286,000 viewers
CNN – 439,000 viewers
MSNBC – 440,000 viewers
CNBC – 163,000 viewers
HLN – 258,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,469,000 viewers
CNN – 593,000 viewers
MSNBC –998,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch w/113,000 viewers
HLN – 405,000 viewers
I even highlighted the CABLE for you. 
Why do you suppose Obummer's ratings recently reached a new low? Not only INDEPENDENTS have disowned him, but DONKS ARE DEFECTING! The truth is, Barry doesn't send a "tingle up his leg" for anyone but Chris Mathews, and a few OTHER flaming liberals!
He KNOWS he can count on you, though! 
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,3:26 pm |
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(Liberal @ Sep. 06 2010,2:02 pm)
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Meanwhile, the NBC, ABC and CBS evening newscasts combined for a dubious record last week: the average of 18.7 million people who watched one of the three shows last week was the smallest audience those three telecasts have reached collectively on record, since the infancy of television, Nielsen said.
See if you can find a "libbie" to read it, and explain it to you.
I don't know what the point is that you are trying to make.
Did I say that?
Was that from a part of TV By The Numbers--one that I DIDN'T quote?
Is it NOT true that ABC, NBC, and CBS had the LOWEST ratings on record for their collective "newscasts"?
Are you disputing the fact that these former "mainstream" outlets are in a precipitous decline?
Keep blaming Fox, keep your head in the sand, and keep your blinders on. It will all be over in 2 months.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2010,4:14 pm |
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QUOTE
Did I say that?
It was from the first post in the topic, if you can't follow along better than that maybe you should check out the AARP forum. Might be a little easier to keep up.
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Was that from a part of TV By The Numbers--one that I DIDN'T quote?
It was part of the first post, it's pretty much what the whole topic was started for.
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Is it NOT true that ABC, NBC, and CBS had the LOWEST ratings on record for their collective "newscasts"?
Is it not true that the number of "libbie" viewers blows FOX out of the water? What does that tell you about your Grand Old teabaggin Party?
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Are you disputing the fact that these former "mainstream" outlets are in a precipitous decline?
Are you disputing the fact that your whole argument makes no sense when you consider the number of "libbie" viewers watching the network news?
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Keep blaming Fox, keep your head in the sand, and keep your blinders on. It will all be over in 2 months.
Just keep blindly repeating your Fox/GOP/talk radio talking points and don't bother trying to think for yourself, that shipped sailed a long time ago.
"Keep your head in the sand" coming from the person that said that Health Reform wouldn't make it out of committee?
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2010,10:25 am |
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QUOTE
Did I say that?
It was from the first post in the topic, if you can't follow along better than that maybe you should check out the AARP forum. Might be a little easier to keep up.
Then I guess you're acknowledging I DIDN'T say that.
QUOTE Is it NOT true that ABC, NBC, and CBS had the LOWEST ratings on record for their collective "newscasts"?
Is it not true that the number of "libbie" viewers blows FOX out of the water? What does that tell you about your Grand Old teabaggin Party?
Once again, you refuse to acknowledge the precipitous decline in broadcast "news". Sounds a like like Joe Biden and Obummer telling everyone that this is the "Summer Bummer of Recovery!
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Are you disputing the fact that these former "mainstream" outlets are in a precipitous decline?
Are you disputing the fact that your whole argument makes no sense when you consider the number of "libbie" viewers watching the network news?
See above--there is no disputing the fact that fewer and fewer people are watching the "news"--even though it is FREE!
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Keep blaming Fox, keep your head in the sand, and keep your blinders on. It will all be over in 2 months.
Just keep blindly repeating your Fox/GOP/talk radio talking points and don't bother trying to think for yourself, that shipped sailed a long time ago.
You consistently avoid looking at reality--but then, if you DID recognize reality, you wouldn't be a libbie, would you?
Since you seem to think that the networks are THRIVING, maybe you'd like to buy some Disney/ABC stock? You'd better look at this first, the head of ABC News "resigned" over the weekend! From the NY Slimes nullMy Webpage
QUOTE "Keep your head in the sand" coming from the person that said that Health Reform wouldn't make it out of committee? You've got me on this one. Even I didn't think that the Donks would stoop so low as to try to blantantly buy votes, like the "Louisiana Purchase" and the "Cornhusker Kickback." That was a new low, but one of the big reasons that most people are against Obamacare.
I would hardly be bragging about passing an act that not only did the majority of people not WANT it passed, but 60% of the people find so distasteful that they want it repealed.
That exposes liberalism for what it is--people that want to govern DESPITE the will of the people, because THEY believe that they "know what's best for the country".
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Liberal
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2010,3:47 pm |
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QUOTE
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Did I say that?
It was from the first post in the topic, if you can't follow along better than that maybe you should check out the AARP forum. Might be a little easier to keep up.
Then I guess you're acknowledging I DIDN'T say that.
Who ever said you did? I've said multiple times that it's from the O.P. Have you considered the AARP forum, it might be easier to keep up. 
QUOTE Once again, you refuse to acknowledge the precipitous decline in broadcast "news". Sounds a like like Joe Biden and Obummer telling everyone that this is the "Summer Bummer of Recovery!
I'm not agreeing with you, I'm pointing out that your claim of the FOX ratings proving people are "voting with their remotes" is retarded at best considering there are nearly 10x the number of fox viewers watching the "free" news.
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You've got me on this one. Even I didn't think that the Donks would stoop so low as to try to blantantly buy votes, like the "Louisiana Purchase" and the "Cornhusker Kickback." That was a new low, but one of the big reasons that most people are against Obamacare.
Actually your claim was that it wouldn't make it out of committee, the myths you reference was a Rush Limbaugh episode where he got you guys in the Ben Gay/Depends crowd to believe that there were votes bought after it made it out of committee.
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Sep. 08 2010,7:09 am |
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(jimhanson @ Sep. 06 2010,12:22 pm)
QUOTE No-the question was why they are so unpopular. It is because they have passed legislation that the people don't WANT--healthcare being the biggest example. And you call that GOOD GOVERNMENT?
You're putting words in my mouth, what I called it was keeping campaign promises. You can talk about healthcare, but I hardly ever hear that brought up anymore except for republican talking points. It's the economy that people are talking about most, and that wasn't something you can blame on the democrats. That snowball was rolling for a long time.
As for your insistence on leadership through poll data, that's not real leadership. But then again, Obama hasn't had God's geese on his side.
QUOTE Irisheyes still believes that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were "only for the rich."
Nope, I'm well aware that it went from the top to the bottom, including payments to those that don't pay taxes. A "redistribution of wealth" if you will. But they don't call it that when a republican does it.
QUOTE When the tax cuts expire, EVERYONE will be paying more taxes, and it will put to rest the libbie lie that only "the rich" got tax cuts--unfortunately, too late. "Those below that are planned to continue?" Do you not understand that the expiration of the CUTS will raise taxes to where they were before?
Not all of the tax cuts will expire. We'll keep PART of what Bush had done. I mean, the conservatives would normally like that proposal to continue the tax cuts to most. But I'm guessing Dick Armey and Sarah Palin will tell them not to like it. Soon after a bunch of birds will take a dump on the crowd, and this will be a sign of the God's blessing. 
QUOTE And that works SO WELL anywhere it's been tried--people are FLOCKING to Socialist countries to start businesses there!
And yet, the rich that received tax cuts keep sending more jobs to a communist country.
Yeah, tax cuts have worked great in the last decade.
QUOTE You just don't get it--tax CUTS have ALWAYS ended up INCREASING government revenues. Unfortunately, libbies also increase spending.
And yet, the deficit exploded under Reagan and Bush. Revenues did increase dramatically under Reagan, but we can thank him for the "deficits don't matter" logic also. You can try to blame the Congress, but spending increases are consistent regardless of Congressional leadership.
As for economic growth, if you really think that taxes have that much influence over the economy, how do you explain Clinton raising taxes and it creating an economy everyone envies today?
QUOTE The Federal government has a lot of land held by DOD that should be sold and the money used to reduce debt.
You won't get much for that land now, but either way how do you figure you're going to pay off debt with that. You have to balance the budget (including interest) before you can touch the principal.
QUOTE Once again, liberals attacking defense as the boogeyman in Federal spending. It is large, but it is a FRACTION of the spending for "entitlements." If you eliminated defense spending in its entirety, it STILL wouldn't balance the budget.
You often point to Congress on spending, and discretionary spending is what Congress and the President negotiates every year. You can get rid of the entitlement programs you speak of, as soon as you're willing to tell people who paid into it that they're getting the shaft thanks to redistributing their money to the rich in the form of voodoo economics.
I've looked at both discretionary and total budgets. Look at your graph again, defense is still the LARGEST part. A fraction, and yet, the LARGEST fraction.
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