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Dustin Petersen 
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,7:37 am |
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So minnow, are you suggesting that because the cops busted their party, these criminals were JUSTIFIED in their actions? Are you on crack?
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Tiger
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,9:55 am |
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Hey Slick, did you miss the picture in the paper (can't remember if it was the Star Tribune or the Tribune or Mankato Free Press) with huge fires burning and a kid roasting a marshmellow? There were fires and a vehicle was started on fire. Get your infor straight. Just because it doesn't compare to the riots in L.A. years ago doesn't mean the individuals involved don't deserve to have legal action taken against them.
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1adam12
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,11:31 am |
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Well, I was wondering when minnow was going to approve of their criminal behavior. They're not the victims here - they are the ones who failed to exercise restraint and self-control. That's why we have laws. People aren't free to do anything they want at the expense of others. That's why action was taken, not just cause it was a party.
Slick - so its OK to torch other people's stuff as long as they stay in the parking lot?? I doubt the cars started on fire by spontaneous combustion...they were purposely burned. And yes, they were out in the streets too. It wasn't just one apartment complex.
609.71 Riot.
Subd. 3. Riot third degree. When three or more persons assembled disturb the public peace by an intentional act or threat of unlawful force or violence to person or property, each participant therein is guilty of riot third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than one year or to payment of a fine of not more than $1,000, or both.
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,1:19 pm |
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Yep, they all made mistakes, should they pay for them for the rest of their lives? Sheesh! Who'd they kill?
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Liberal
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:17 pm |
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Denying them state or federal financial aid is going way overboard The school and the local government should take care of this problem on their own and the state should keep it's nose out of it. Let the people involved in the riot be prosecuted by the city or county for the crimes they committed and let the school punish them as they see fit. But I doubt that that taking away their state or federal financial aid would help anything.
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Dustin Petersen
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:21 pm |
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No, they shouldn't pay for the rest of their lives... but they should pay SOMETHING. Slap-on-the-wrist justice such as one year of unsupervised probation and a stayed fine is a joke and does absolutely nothing to prevent repeat offenses.
Granted, these students didn't kill or cause serious bodily harm to anybody, but what they did was a little more serious than a simple illegal consumption. I realize that they may have simply gotten carried away with the "mob mentality" but it was still THEIR choice to participate, and everyone responsible should be held accountable for the choices they made.
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Dustin Petersen
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:24 pm |
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Liberal, you seem to be forgetting that WE THE PEOPLE are footing the bill for their financial aid. Your last statement sounds almost like a Behling column.
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Spidey
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:26 pm |
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No, this wasn't a "getting carried away" event. These kids became criminal. And yes, they should have their finacial aid taken away and given to someone who deserves it. This isn't ruining their lives ... it's making it more difficult, which it should after what they did. Now they can take all of that energy and work their way through college.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:37 pm |
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I know who's footing the bill for the aid. My point is that you can't punish one person more than another just because they are attending college and receiving financial aid. I'm sure that there were many people involved in the riot that weren't college students and I'm sure some of the college students involved don't get financial aid at all.
So, why would it be fair to punish the college students more than the non-college student involved? And why would anyone want the state or federal government to start getting involved in punishing local crimes?
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Dustin Petersen
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2003,2:39 pm |
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Spidey, I do not deny that they became criminal, but yes, they DID get carried away. However, I was not at all inferring that their loss of control should excuse their actions. On the contrary, I said that they should be held accountable for their participation. And I completely agree with you that their financial aid should be pulled. I certainly don't want to pay for it.
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