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kid dyn-o-mite 
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,4:51 am |
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No, yer just insane. Like this dribble...
" He also says "do unto others as they have done to you".
It's "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Yelling at little old ladies never felt so right.
It's the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." It is the ultimate norm of high morality in our culture. Sure there are other morals by which we live, but this one phrase embodies our most cherished value: that we should treat people as we would like to be treated.
We are taught it from childhood. We learn it from our parents. We learn it at school. But more than any other place, we learn it in our churches because it comes straight from the Bible. Found in Matthew, chapter 7 verse 12, it is in essence a summation of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes from Christ's teaching. If you don't want to be ripped off, don't rip off others. If you don't want your spouse to cheat on you, don't cheat on your spouse. If you don't want to be judged, don't judge.
Now it's true we don't always abide by the Golden Rule. We often hurt others in ways we, ourselves, would not like perpetrated against us. Some of life's hardest lessons are actually reminders that we have treated another in a way we would hate to be treated ourselves.
But there are some among us who never seem to break the Golden Rule. Rather than struggling just to live up to a moral code, these people are on the other side, the high moral ground as it were, and they spend their time helping to enforce it. These people are our culture's guardians, our vanguard whose presence keeps reminding us that we should live by a higher standard, particularly the one embodied in our most Golden of rules. As stated above, they are our churches.
But even among these valued institutions, there are some that take their role more seriously than the rest. They are on the forefront of the battle to keep our nation, its institutions, and its citizens abiding by the morals encompassed in the Golden Rule. They are vocal, political, and committed. They are known collectively as the Religious Right, a name given them by the Press, and more commonly function under such names as The Christian Coalition, Operation Rescue, The Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, The Southern Baptist Convention, and scores of others. They include many denominations and a host of unaffiliated churches that call themselves "nondenominational," "community," or often simply "Bible" churches. Though they function as separate entities, they are loosely united in their role as cultural overseers, bound by the common goal of defending traditional moral values in our society.
Can we not assume, then, that this group - the Religious Right, who have set themselves up as the defenders of the Golden Rule - that they, themselves, must clearly be following it? And if that is true, can we not also assume, therefore, that the things they are doing to others are the very things they wish others would do to them?
We must assume it is true. For if they are not following the Golden Rule themselves, then how can they expect others to believe they are defenders of it? And if they are indeed doing things to others that they would not want done to them, then how can any of us believe them when they speak of other values we should embrace?
Either they are liars, and we should simply ignore them; or our assumption is true, and we should be doing to them as they are doing to us."
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Clovis
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,9:18 am |
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I thought that was too well-written for kid, so I used my plagiarism comparison tool to check it out. Oh! Look what I found ! http://www.elroy.net/ehr/dountoothers.html
Copied from the first portion of the text in the box, word for word. Basic rule of courtesy - CITE YOUR SOURCES. Besides, I agree with the second follow-up post - I would hope, out of all the threads, this wouldn't be the one to turn into a morals smackdown.
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. --Antoine de St-Exupéry
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,12:49 pm |
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I never claimed to write the piece and if it WERE NOT "copied word for word", it WOULD be plagiarism. Basic rule of courtesy, don't accuse first and hope it sorts itself all out later.
That's right...when you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.  That piece was written just for YOU it seems and "other high and mighty do gooders" who feel their values are somehow better than others, that their morals are superior. Things which you and Daisy have actually implied! 
That piece just made the biggest arse out of both you and Daisy and describes you both perfectly...to a tee! 
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Clovis
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,3:25 pm |
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If you don't quote it, you in effect are claiming it as your own. Copying word for word without documentation is the classic example of plagiarism, per honor and ethics codes at any university worth its salt.
If I say that I don't do the same things as others because they're oh, illegal, or because I don't have the same points of view on how things should be done, I state my disagreement and make the argument on my point of view. If you want to take that as implying that I'm grandstanding on the moral high road, go ahead.
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. --Antoine de St-Exupéry
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Clovis
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,3:34 pm |
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From the New York Times:
| Quote | CROOKSTON, Minn. (AP) -- The man charged with kidnapping University of North Dakota student Dru Sjodin could face a federal murder charge after the woman's body was apparently discovered in a ravine near his hometown. Searchers said they discovered Sjodin's body in an area near Crookston that volunteers had searched several times through the winter, when it was covered in snow.
``Now I know she's been at peace for a long time,'' Sjodin's boyfriend, Chris Lang, said after learning that the body had been found. An official identification and autopsy were scheduled.
Alfonso Rodriguez Jr., 51, a convicted sex offender, has pleaded not guilty to kidnapping Sjodin. Prosecutors declined to comment Saturday, but attorneys familiar with the case said it was likely federal prosecutors would take over for a murder case.
Sjodin was last seen leaving a North Dakota shopping mall, but her body was found Saturday in Minnesota, indicating the crime may have crossed state lines. Federal law also allows the death penalty for murder committed during a kidnapping. Neither Minnesota nor North Dakota has capital punishment.
Investigators have testified that they found blood matching Sjodin's DNA in Rodriguez's car, and that a knife in the car matched a sheath discovered near her car.
Minnesota U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger and his North Dakota counterpart, Drew Wrigley, said Saturday that it was too early to discuss whether federal murder charges would be pursued.
Sjodin, of Pequot Lakes, Minn., had last been heard talking to her boyfriend on a cell phone after she left her job at a Victoria's Secret on Nov. 22.
Sheriff Mark LeTexier sobbed Saturday as he told volunteers, ``Dru is home.''
Sjodin's father, Allan, said it had been ``a devastating day.''
``We were waiting for that call and when that call came we all stopped living for a second,'' he said at a press conference.
Rodriguez, of Crookston, was arrested in December and is jailed about 25 miles away in Grand Forks on $5 million bail.
The prosecutor in the kidnapping case, Peter Welte, declined to comment Saturday. A judge has ordered lawyers involved in the case not to speak with the media.
Rodriguez was released from prison last May after serving a 23-year sentence for an attempted kidnapping and assault of a woman in 1980. He also pleaded guilty to rape in the past.
Rodriguez had been considered for civil commitment, but a psychologist and review board decided against recommending him for the program, which could have kept him in custody indefinitely.
Since his arrest, officials have identified about 40 ``high risk'' sex offenders whom they said should have been recommended for commitment and moved to place them in mental hospitals. |
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. --Antoine de St-Exupéry
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,3:39 pm |
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You still haven't explained how your childrens values are better than other kids and how their morals are superior?
Why did you say it, if you can't even give one example?
If you REALLY want to teach your class something, you should debate me in front of them. I'd show them how the teacher "wears no clothes" and is nothing but a judgmental hypocrite. That would be a real lesson...
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Clovis
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,3:43 pm |
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Dude. Did you not read my post in another thread in which I explained that I DID NOT say anything about my children's values? Newbie is the person to whom those quotes are attributed and she took you on. I don't even have kids. Pay attention here.
I was going to say I only debate worthwhile people, but then realize I've taken you on in a couple of issues. My kids and I have just come from talking about judgemental hypocrites with the idea of l'école laïque in France, so we've covered that for the year. Thanks anyway.
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. --Antoine de St-Exupéry
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Daisy Duke
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2004,8:12 pm |
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Either they are liars, and we should simply ignore them; or our assumption is true, and we should be doing to them as they are doing to us."
Oh by the way you forgot the first quotes while you were coping someone elses own words!!!
I am doing unto to you as you are doing to me  Treating you like the ugly dog that you are Remember never "ass"ume
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Frustrated
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Posted on: Apr. 20 2004,3:55 pm |
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I think what Minnow was trying to say is that sentencing people to long jail terms turns them into all kinds of nasty criminals that are then released on society when their terms are completed. That is a valid point, though I doubt it was the case here where this creep went to jail the first time for this same type of sexual violence. I don't think Minnow was trying to defend the guy in any way.
Speaking of violence, Daisy, you seem like the type...Reading some of your posts attacking minnow on this thread reminds me of a redneck hillbilly mentality.
Don't get me wrong, the SOB needs to and likely will be executed. My heart goes out to the victim and her family.
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Frustrated
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Posted on: Apr. 20 2004,4:10 pm |
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One more thought on this subject - I think that many rapes result from the inability of some guys to get laid. I advocate legalizing prostitution with state monitoring and inspections to control health risk. Besides taking a bite out of crime, I expect this would also improve marriages and help keep families together. Husbands could get sex without having to find a girlfriend and perhaps leaving their wives and families.
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