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MrTarzan 
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Posted on: Mar. 01 2004,5:37 pm |
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Yeah JJ, that is true as far as clothes go, I don't know why they tax clothes, but on major purchases such as washer or dryer you just plain save more. I go to Rochester on a regular basis and Mankato once and a while, but not really for shopping. I have made quite a few major purchases in Iowa though because even with delivery, they were significant savings. Is it disloyal, yeah, I guess, but oh well, I did'nt make the tax disparity, I fight increased taxes for most things. Don't mind them at all for essentials like fire and police and roads, but I don't like em for artcenters and waterparks and other crude like that. I believe that stops people from opening those things privately. Anyway, we are way off the subject of LGA  but it is always fun to hear how people shop and think. Peace out JJ, keep pouring the sauce and living life cool 
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cwolff
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,2:16 pm |
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quote by cpu_slave:
| Quote | So what you are saying is that a person who has a home valued at $100,000 in city A should be paying a larger total dollar amount than a person who has a $500,000 home in city B? Talk about wealth redistribution…
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Cpu_slave, that is not what I said but this is what I said:
| Quote | | I know of outstate residents/friends that have larger homes and larger properties, but pay not even one fourth of what I pay in property taxes living in Burnsville. |
I said that larger homes with larger properties are paying a lot less than smaller properties in Burnsville, and I did not say anything about the value of those properties.
Outstate Minnesota needs to raise the value of those undervalued properties if they want to increase their tax base. Oh, I see you do not want too raise your taxes. You want to eat cake but do not want to pay for it. You would rather have my taxes raised and have me pay for it so you can keep your taxes lower. This is exactly what you are saying!
As far as sharing basic governmental functions, this is occuring all across outstate Minnesota.
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cwolff
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,2:31 pm |
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quote by cpu_slave:
| Quote | Bullsh!t! At any give time there are more fire, police, ambulance, and medial facilities per capita in the metro than in outstate. If you feel that the service is poorer than take it up with your local officials and stop trying to lay the blame on LGA.
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No, cpu_slave I am not the one here trying to bring back the LGA payments, you are! Or at least that is the way you are acting! It seems to me that if Albert Lea can afford a $40 million dollar courthouse, $40 million to dredge the lake, $1.5 million annual sales tax increase, and $millions for a new library, then you can afford to take care of your own basic governmental functions. Otherwise, you need to reconsider your priorities!
And by the way, I do regularly talk to local officials and legislators.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,4:36 pm |
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It seems to me that if Albert Lea can afford a $40 million dollar courthouse, $40 million to dredge the lake, $1.5 million annual sales tax increase, and $millions for a new library, then you can afford to take care of your own basic governmental functions. Otherwise, you need to reconsider your priorities!
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When you put it like that it's hard to argue in defense of LGA.
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repdan
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,4:49 pm |
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cwolf...
In 2001 we passed a tax bill. The standard set out by Gov. Ventura and others was that the % of relief should be close to the same in all parts of the state. In order to do that, we got more LGA and you got the transit levy picked up. $$ per capita you won, but for me a passed the smell test, you pay more and get more relief if done this way. Now 2 years later, we find we can't afford the 2001 property tax bill but we only cut LGA, the transit levy remains 100% funded by the state and the MVC was only cut for one year, the result last year we lost both as a % and $$$ per capita. I have heard Dan McElroy uses the logic that you are using based on % of income to property taxes. The odd thing is that he never put in a bill to get rid of the property tax and move to the income tax.
Again, understand that the new formula does not send more money to a high spending city. Sorry it does not fit into your box but it is about property tax relief not spending. In fact, on average Greater Minnesota Cities reduced their spending by about 5% while the burbs only 1% last year and are some of the biggest whiners about he levy limits.
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cpu_slave
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,4:58 pm |
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| Quote | | I said that larger homes with larger properties are paying a lot less than smaller properties in Burnsville, and I did not say anything about the value of those properties. |
That’s right, you did not, and that is where the difference is. A large house with plenty of property in rural MN is going to be considerably less in cost and perceived value than some small home on a small lot in the metro, because of something called market forces and value. (supply and demand)
| Quote | | Outstate Minnesota needs to raise the value of those undervalued properties if they want to increase their tax base. Oh, I see you do not want too raise your taxes. You want to eat cake but do not want to pay for it. |
Value is determined by market forces (supply and demand) and not something that should be legislated. I’m sorry but if I was to have 2 identical homes, on identical sized lots with one being in Albert Lea and the other in the metro area, guess which one is going to have the greater value based on supply and demand? Are you saying that all property and houses in MN should have a value assigned to them by what they would be worth had they been in the metro area? Not likely.
| Quote | | You would rather have my taxes raised and have me pay for it so you can keep your taxes lower. This is exactly what you are saying! |
The way I see it, if an area of the state (metro) benefits directly more than others (outstate) through tax dollars, then why shouldn’t they pay more?
| Quote | | As far as sharing basic governmental functions, this is occuring all across outstate Minnesota. |
Care to site some examples?
| Quote | | No, cpu_slave I am not the one here trying to bring back the LGA payments, you are! Or at least that is the way you are acting! |
No, sorry, wrong again. I am just trying to counter your argument that the metro should receive more LGA than outlying areas.
| Quote | | It seems to me that if Albert Lea can afford a $40 million dollar courthouse, $40 million to dredge the lake, $1.5 million annual sales tax increase, and $millions for a new library, then you can afford to take care of your own basic governmental functions. Otherwise, you need to reconsider your priorities! |
So, if you want to try and compare Apples to Apples, how much did your county spend on it’s courthouse (or planning to spend in the next few years?) How much did your city spend on the interstate roadways giving you easier access to the rest of the metro? How much did your city spend on it’s library, police station, and other government buildings and projects? Are you advocating that counties in outstate MN should have to choose between services the metro counties take for granted or property tax increases? pu-leeze!
| Quote | | And by the way, I do regularly talk to local officials and legislators. |
And I assume that this is why you are so against LGA, because leaders in the metro feel that they are not getting as much as they would like.
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repdan
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Posted on: Mar. 02 2004,10:22 pm |
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Don't forget the Metro regional park system, increased nursing home funding and hospital reimbursement rates.
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