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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,6:40 pm |
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Yes--they DID lose their job without notice--and that is something that SHOULD never happen--legal or not. If an employer is going to make changes, and if they have any regard for their employees, they SHOULD give notice--and a severance package. A friend of mine recently retired and sold his business. He was generous enough to not only ASK (he couldn't DEMAND) that the new owner keep his employees on. Not only did the new employees stay on--they got stock options from the new owners--the new owners NEEDED the employees to keep the business going. The former owner also set aside a benefit package for the employees that had helped him grow his business--"old timers" that had stuck with him made nearly 1 million dollars--PLUS their salary and stock options from the new company. Why did the employer do that? He had no REQUIREMENT to do that--but there was a feeling of trust and respect between the employees and the former owner. That trust and respect is obviously missing here. I patronized the store from time to time, and agree--it WAS a friendly place to shop.
As to your question of "what if you suddenly lost your job"--I have been in that situation, and yes, you DO get "upset". What is your legal recourse? You'll wait a long time for that to happen--better that you just pick yourself up and move on.
Reference to "other countries". Yes, I do sometimes refer to "other countries". In AMERICA, we DO NOT have the "guaranteed employment" of the Communist Countries (for all the good that "guarantee" had) or the "no layoffs" like France. My point is--those systems have been tried and failed in the rest of the world, and they DO NOT WORK--HAVE NEVER WORKED. Thankfully, you can't point to a similar system in the United States--because IT DOES NOT WORK. What has the result been? Low productivity, worker malaise, high unemployment, lack of manufacturing capability, lack of export capability, lower standard of living, lack of large-scale manufacturing economy of scale, high unemployment, lack of entepreneurial spirit in starting new ventures. Sound like something we should adopt here? It is precisely BECAUSE I have seen the result of these disastrous policies that I advocate against them being adopted here.
Think CARS. Do Communist countries make good cars? They have "central planning". They have "guaranteed employment". They have a captive market. They have large capacity for manufacturing. But NOBODY wants their cars.
Think of the French. The French make cars--just lousy cars (think Renault, LeCars, Citroens, Peugot's). They too have "central planning". They too have large capacity for manufacturing. Their cars are EXPENSIVE, because of their low productivity. Their cars BREAK a lot, because of their poor engineering. They can't EXPORT their cars, because they are not competitive withe the rest of the world. They have no NEW car companies (or other companies that want to start French divisions), because nobody wants to do business in France. They can't sell their cars outside of France, because NOBODY WANTS THEIR LOUSY CARS. Does this sound like something we should adopt in the U.S.?
Now, consider Japan. One of the most expensive countries to buy real estate in. One of the most expensive countries for labor. They adopted U.S. manufacturing and business technique. High work ethic. Great at innovation. Many new startup companies. High productivity. Large-scale manufacturing capability. THEY MAKE SOME OF THE BEST CARS IN THE WORLD.
My point is--don't adopt the failed policies of other countries. Having seen these failures firsthand, I become PASSIONATE about protecting the U.S. from making the same mistakes. The U.S. is a leader--and leaders LEAD. Take note of policies that WORK--and discard policies that DON'T.
In the Holiday Station battle--I don't have a dog in that fight--but let's not advocate for adopting those policies that others tried to make work--and which FAILED them.
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roseart
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,7:11 pm |
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So its the old owners fault , the old owner was Farmer State Bank, and the new owner and people who are leasing the building promise all the employee's there jobs. it was told to all the employee's. that they were have jobs , don't worry trust us, they said
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roseart
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,7:12 pm |
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| Quote (jimhanson @ July 02 2006,6:40pm) | Yes--they DID lose their job without notice--and that is something that SHOULD never happen--legal or not. If an employer is going to make changes, and if they have any regard for their employees, they SHOULD give notice--and a severance package. A friend of mine recently retired and sold his business. He was generous enough to not only ASK (he couldn't DEMAND) that the new owner keep his employees on. Not only did the new employees stay on--they got stock options from the new owners--the new owners NEEDED the employees to keep the business going. The former owner also set aside a benefit package for the employees that had helped him grow his business--"old timers" that had stuck with him made nearly 1 million dollars--PLUS their salary and stock options from the new company. Why did the employer do that? He had no REQUIREMENT to do that--but there was a feeling of trust and respect between the employees and the former owner. That trust and respect is obviously missing here. I patronized the store from time to time, and agree--it WAS a friendly place to shop.
As to your question of "what if you suddenly lost your job"--I have been in that situation, and yes, you DO get "upset". What is your legal recourse? You'll wait a long time for that to happen--better that you just pick yourself up and move on.
Reference to "other countries". Yes, I do sometimes refer to "other countries". In AMERICA, we DO NOT have the "guaranteed employment" of the Communist Countries (for all the good that "guarantee" had) or the "no layoffs" like France. My point is--those systems have been tried and failed in the rest of the world, and they DO NOT WORK--HAVE NEVER WORKED. Thankfully, you can't point to a similar system in the United States--because IT DOES NOT WORK. What has the result been? Low productivity, worker malaise, high unemployment, lack of manufacturing capability, lack of export capability, lower standard of living, lack of large-scale manufacturing economy of scale, high unemployment, lack of entepreneurial spirit in starting new ventures. Sound like something we should adopt here? It is precisely BECAUSE I have seen the result of these disastrous policies that I advocate against them being adopted here.
Think CARS. Do Communist countries make good cars? They have "central planning". They have "guaranteed employment". They have a captive market. They have large capacity for manufacturing. But NOBODY wants their cars.
Think of the French. The French make cars--just lousy cars (think Renault, LeCars, Citroens, Peugot's). They too have "central planning". They too have large capacity for manufacturing. Their cars are EXPENSIVE, because of their low productivity. Their cars BREAK a lot, because of their poor engineering. They can't EXPORT their cars, because they are not competitive withe the rest of the world. They have no NEW car companies (or other companies that want to start French divisions), because nobody wants to do business in France. They can't sell their cars outside of France, because NOBODY WANTS THEIR LOUSY CARS. Does this sound like something we should adopt in the U.S.?
Now, consider Japan. One of the most expensive countries to buy real estate in. One of the most expensive countries for labor. They adopted U.S. manufacturing and business technique. High work ethic. Great at innovation. Many new startup companies. High productivity. Large-scale manufacturing capability. THEY MAKE SOME OF THE BEST CARS IN THE WORLD.
My point is--don't adopt the failed policies of other countries. Having seen these failures firsthand, I become PASSIONATE about protecting the U.S. from making the same mistakes. The U.S. is a leader--and leaders LEAD. Take note of policies that WORK--and discard policies that DON'T.
In the Holiday Station battle--I don't have a dog in that fight--but let's not advocate for adopting those policies that others tried to make work--and which FAILED them. |
Just pick myself up move on..You try losing your only income and just pick yourself up and move on.. Yes i'll get through this and yes i'll find a better job but wouldn't it of been nice to know you were going to lose your job so you could have another source of income ready. But that's ok because at least i don't need to rob to keep myself going. And i think you need to stop living in other countries and realize your in AMERICA.. or better yet take aircraft and fly to those countries you so often compare america to. And just how are you helping america not make those same mistakes by robbing them that's a good way to protect your country. Here's a news flash good luck trying to control our country in Albert Lea.
I do have a dog in this fight and if you did i'm sure it'd be bitting your ass for being such a dumb crap
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roseart
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,7:30 pm |
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Watch the ten o clock news either kaal 6 or kimt 3 to find out from the TRUTH from no one better but those who know the truth! Then can we stop with this childish bickering don't you people have anything better to do. i mean come on go out and do something about it don't sit here and ramble on back and fourth to each other. Has that ever helped any of you except create hatred what a wonderful society. But i guess you old folk don't have anything better to do.
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TameThaTane
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,9:01 pm |
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That's right.
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My choice is what I choose to do,
And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.
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Two Bears
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,9:15 pm |
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Well like I said before "I WILL NEVER DO ANY MORE BUSINESS THERE"
The end of the new owners story! Which means if everybody stays out of that business they will fold and go away. 
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roseart
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,9:41 pm |
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MAYBE SOME PEOPLE SHOULD TELL THE TRUTH
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roseart
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,9:50 pm |
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I'm behind the former employee's I WILL NEVER GO INTO THAT STORE AGAIN . KWIK TRIP SOUNDS GOOD
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BAD PIG
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,9:59 pm |
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When your at kwik trip ask for a job. That would be a good start for your new job. I'am going to watch the tv 6 news now and try to figure out who you are.
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TheTruth
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Posted on: Jul. 02 2006,10:05 pm |
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| Quote (roseart @ July 02 2006,9:41pm) | | MAYBE SOME PEOPLE SHOULD TELL THE TRUTH |
The Truth?
Anybody can make it in America.
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