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How do you feel about the state's requiring people to have vehicle insurance?  

Kind of the same thing isn't it?
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How do you feel about the state's requiring people to have vehicle insurance?  

Kind of the same thing isn't it?

No, I don't have to drive if i don't want to or own a car.


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Why can't Americans have health coverage like every other Industrialized Nation

Where the f'ck in the constitution does it say I have to pay for others healthcare?

I could argue the preamble, but the Supreme Court already found National Heath Insurance Constitutional..

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No, I don't have to drive if i don't want to or own a car.

No you don't have to drive, but you're going to have heath issues sooner or later, it's inevitable—or did you plan to have the rest of US pay your medical bills via Medicaid the same way your parents paid for their Nursing Home stay..

It's truly amazing how you far right folks think alike, e.g. Ayn Rand who criticized Social Security and Medicare but jumped at the chance to use the program after she gave her self lung cancer from sucking on cigarettes—or hypoxia Hanson who bemoaned taxation but whined about not being able to use the VA, and that airport of his sucks down more tax money then any other entity in this town...


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No you don't have to drive, but you're going to have heath issues sooner or later, it's inevitable—or did you plan to have the rest of US pay your medical bills via Medicaid the same way your parents paid for their Nursing Home stay..

My Father paid into SS and Medicare all his working life, my Mother did too but she died suddenly and never collected a dime in benefits from either. SCOTUS never said health care was constitutional, they said it was legal because it was a tax, something Buster and the rest of the Nazis said it wasn't...till it was. :dunce:

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^So entitlements are only in the Constitution for you?  This sounds similar to your experience with college grants, but on April 15th you magically transform into a Libertarian.   :dunno:  

This is why Republicans like the above can't balance a budget, and their heroes have all filed for bankruptcy.


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^So entitlements are only in the Constitution for you?  This sounds similar to your experience with college grants, but on April 15th you magically transform into a Libertarian.   :dunno:  

So if you take my money I don't get to get it back, even with the tiny little bit on interest paid? Wow, I guess it is an entitlement. You seem to think if I bitch about it , call attention to mismanagement and pretty much outright thievery I don't get to have MY MONEY back.

Nice Pauly Shore logic  :thumbsup:  :dunce:


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How about it is just the right thing to do?  I agree the system is broken and it will take some painful changes to fix it.  But I am willing to pay a little more on my insurance to help my fellow Americans get the health care they need.  I would like to see something done about those who abuse the system but that is true of anything.  If the citizens are healthy the country is healthy.  Our country is sick and something has to be done to make it stronger and better.  If Trump can do that, then all the more power to him.  I doubt he can though.  He seems like just another politician looking out for his own interests over the greater good.

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Ever government program is most likely run very inefficiently.  And the elected "leaders" don't make it any better.  I am sure that there could be big savings in all the entitlement programs if they were really looked at.  There is a lot of fraud out there that is taking welfare type benefits that should not.  

I would say all the programs are needed, and we all need to pay a part for them, but improvements need to be made to at least limit the fraud that occurs and the abuse of use in the programs.  If you are on welfare, I'm pretty sure that there is something you can do to "earn" that $$$$.  Even if it is just picking up trash from a local park, at least do something.

Health care will be debated, argued, changed, tweaked, etc. for a long, long time.  Is health care a right?  Is it a privilege?  Why is it so expensive?  Abusing the system again?  Why does it cost what it costs to go to a doctor?  The cost structure and PROFITS need to be looked at on the health care side.  Same with the insurance side.  Maybe, even in a capitalist system some things should not have such large employee pay and profits.  I just don't know.  I do know that if you do things that are a proven detriment to your health (smoking/tobacco use, drug use, over weight, don't exercise, etc.) then you should have to pay more for your health insurance than those people who do things to improve and keep their health.
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Well said CF!
I have said this several times before but I applauded Obama for addressing the health care issue, what we got from Congress though did very little to address how health care is delivered, only who pays for it.  There are several things in that I really like, and several things that i don't but it was a start.  Our country is so polarized into D vs R that i don't think whichever party is in charge will get the other to agree to any provisions (no matter how good they are) just because it will be seen as a defeat or whatever. I fear the days of true bipartisanship are past us.


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^^ addressing the health care system my ass, all he was doing was buying votes.

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