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Well done! :clap:  :clap:

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^^ prattle on little boy :rofl:

How's that 12 step thing going?

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^^ prattle on little boy :rofl:

How's that 12 step thing going?

You go girl!  :thumbsup:
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Effects of Glow Ball Warming.

I'd give a C for your part.  Because you did the get road.

But - It seems you started out fighting for the road. Then you changed it up and made the flooding sewer issue your priority.

From an observer's POV namely mine. You have absolutely Horse Manure diplomatic skills. Coming on this forum and calling all the people from the city names not a good idea. You seem more interesting in prattling on about your superior knowledge in all things water and sewer related and the history of Virginia Place. Then getting results.

If you're going to prattle you better be able to write like Kurt Vonnegut.

And who did you ingratiate yourself with? The city, the state, the contractor doing the work? (I would have felt like you were stabbing in me in the back if you back-doored me like you did the people you asked for the road from)

No people like Self Banished.

Maybe he'll come down and help you bail water when it floods.

But don't count on it. He seems to like to spend all day and night prattling on his phone like some old woman on an old landline telephone tethered to the wall.


I respect your opinion but you don't start out asking for an improved storm sewer system before you get the City to commit to doing the reconstruction of the street.. That would be considered putting the cart before the horse resulting in nothing getting done..

I wish you would realize that a culture of silence or thinking it will be what it is only allows needed funds to go elsewhere.. Low interest rates was my main reason for beating the war drums for this project.. Funding dries up with high interest rates which results in another decade of dodging potholes and fearing 4-feet of flood water in the basement..

Desperate times call for desperate measures.. I would have loved using the nice approach but our local government doesn't hear nice people, comments go in one ear and out the other.. I do know that Commissioner Mike Lee and Councilman George Marin were very helpful and/or supportive during this long process..

And yes I have many years of plumbing experience and have worked in the trenches installing sewer pipe..

Lesson: Liquids run down hill..
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The way I see it, the City (specifically the Engineering Department) has failed the residents along this project, at least the ones down in the area of alcitizens.  And sadly, the City Council and Mayor do not care and for some reason will not question the City Engineer.  

Some of the facts as I understand them
- Flooding has been an issue for at least 40 years for this area
- City has had this project on their CIP list for roughly 15 years
- City has struggled getting this done due to the high costs caused by
  > poor soils (peat) under the roadway affecting not just the road but also the utilities (water, sanitary and storm)
  > existing storm system, including lift station and outlet piping are vastly under sized to handle the storm water that gets to this area.  over the years other changes have been made to increase the contributing area of storm water to this system sans improvements to the lift station and outlet piping
- Alcitizens has tried on MANY occasions to bring up the concern of the storm system and the flooding to the City Engineer, City Council, Mayor, and County Commissioners.  None seem to care, understand, or want to do their jobs when it comes to this project and the legitimate concerns and ENGINEERING DESIGN FAILURES that are occurring on this project.
 - Construction was originally to be completed last fall, nearly a year later and construction still is not done
 - A construction failure has been identified, the new storm sewer has a sag, a manhole has standing water in it.  This was pointed out to the Engineering Department and has not been corrected.  Since then the curb and gutter has been installed as well as the first layer of bituminous.  So, not only did the Engineering Department not design this project in a way that corrected the known flooding issues, it has allowed a failure to already occur in the storm system and is not going to correct it.  So the new storm sewer that has been installed, is not functioning as designed, has reduced the capacity for transporting the storm water and will lead to more flooding issues.

Yes, sometimes Alcitizens maybe does not use the best approach, but I think anyone who has lived through this as he has, has brought up the issues and concerns as many times as he has with no results, is allowed to be frustrated and not be friendly anymore when dealing with the City Officials and Employees who do not care that they have totally messed up this project.

Alcitizens- keep up the fight, keep after the City Engineer, Mayor and Council.  REFUSE to pay our assessment until they fix the failed new storm piping and manhole and until they schedule upgrades to the lift station and outlet pipe to eliminate the flooding.
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The final 2-inches of asphalt will not be placed until the spring of 2017.
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Won't the manhole things be sticking part way up still? If yes how will they plow the street this winter?

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Won't the manhole things be sticking part way up still? If yes how will they plow the street this winter?

Great question..  :clap:

From the City of Albert Lea website:

August 5, 2016 – It was a big week for this project. The contractor placed the first of two lifts of asphalt on the entire project. Next week they will begin restoring the boulevards, take care of a few remaining concrete items, and begin installing manhole castings and raising water valve covers to the surface, as well as doing general site cleanup. The final lift of bituminous will not be placed until the spring of 2017.

http://cityofalbertlea.org/2015-sewer-water-street-contract-no-1-1557/
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Typically, the structures (manholes and water valves) are raised to the elevation of the first lift of bituminous and then raised again at the time of the final lift being placed, or just prior to it.  I have seen where they bring the manholes and water valves up to the level of what the final pavement will be and then "ramp up" some bituminous around them for the winter.  It works but is not the best way of doing this.  Can jar the plow drivers, and peoples vehicles.

Will be very interesting to see the settling that occurs on this road the rest of this year, and especially next spring.  Hopefully you will keep us posted.
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