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Posted on: May 13 2015,7:15 am |
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(Grinning_Dragon @ May 13 2015,7:00 am)
QUOTE Isn't this the trade deal that is secret and one of those we need to pass it to find out whats in it? Along with closed door secret meetings?
Searching on this trade topic has yielded some red flags about this deal.
Yeah, I'm against it.
Senate deals stinging defeat to Obama trade agenda
Senate Democrats on Tuesday delivered a stinging blow to President Obama’s trade agenda by voting to prevent the chamber from picking up fast-track legislation.
A motion to cut off a filibuster and proceed to the trade bill fell short of a 60-vote hurdle in the 52-45 vote. Sen. Tom Carper (Del.) was the only Democrat to back it.
Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) switched his vote from yes to no to reserve his ability to return to the measure at a later date.
Fast-track is a top legislative priority for the White House, but it has run into significant Senate opposition that has been led by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).
It faces even more opposition from Democrats in the House, and the surprise Senate failure will raise doubts about whether the legislation will make its way through Congress.
Labor unions and other left-leaning groups have declared war on the fast-track bill, which they argue has shipped jobs overseas. The Senate is generally a more pro-trade body than the House, and it has been easier to move trade agreements through the upper chamber.
The standoff Tuesday focused on procedure, though there is significant opposition to fast-track itself in the Democratic conference.
Senate Democrats demanded that McConnell combine the fast-track bill with three other pieces of trade legislation, including a customs bill that would address currency manipulation.
The opposition included Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and other pro-trade Democrats who back the fast-track bill.
“The group is concerned about the lack of a commitment to trade enforcement, which is specifically the customs bill,” Wyden told reporters in explaining his opposition.
McConnell has offered to bring to the floor a package combining fast-track, which is also known as Trade Promotion Authority, and Trade Adjustment Assistance, which helps workers displaced by foreign competition.
But McConnell has refused to combine those bills with the customs and enforcement act, which includes language cracking down on currency manipulation, and a package of trade preferences for sub-Saharan Africa.
“Until there is a path to get all four bills passed ... we will, certainly most of us, have to vote no,” Wyden said.
Wyden was joined by Sens. Michael Bennet (Colo.), Maria Cantwell (Wash.), Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Patty Murray (Wash.), Bill Nelson (Fla.) and Mark Warner (Va.).
“I would urge you to withhold judgement about the president’s persuasion ability until we’ve had an opportunity until we’ve had a chance to advance this legislation,” Earnest said.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the panel, tried to hash out a last-minute agreement to allow the trade package to come to the floor but were unsuccessful.
Hatch said he would urge McConnell to pull the trade package from the floor if Democrats block it.
It could return in the next two weeks but Tuesday’s setback means it will be very difficult to pass trade legislation before the Memorial Day recess.
Two Republican presidential candidates, Sens. Ted Cruz (Texas) and Rand Paul (Ky.), voted in favor of moving to the trade bill.
Another candidate, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), missed the vote, as did Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who is considering a White House run. Rubio and Graham also missed Monday's votes.
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git er done!
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Expatriate
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Posted on: May 14 2015,6:33 am |
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Posted on: May 14 2015,11:15 am |
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^^ just how is he proposing to do this?
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Posted on: May 14 2015,5:55 pm |
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Posted on: May 14 2015,7:08 pm |
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Like TPP is the first thing to do that...
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Marneman
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Posted on: May 14 2015,7:56 pm |
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NO! NO! NO! 
Ever since NAFTA every trade agreement we sign on to we get the crap end of the stick. As for foreign countries raising tariffs on our goods if we raise it on theirs F*** 'em,
maybe we can start producing those items here again instead of importing their cheap made crap.
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Moparman
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Posted on: May 16 2015,6:44 am |
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I wonder how all these "get it while I can" anti-american d-bags feel about how these types of "agreements" make it easier for counterfiet, and often dangerous, products like pharmaceuticals, airbags, makeup, children's toys, pet food, etc to reach the American public. I'm guessing they could care less and that's the real problem with this country today.
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Posted on: May 16 2015,4:20 pm |
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(Moparman @ May 16 2015,6:44 am)
QUOTE I wonder how all these "get it while I can" anti-american d-bags feel about how these types of "agreements" make it easier for counterfiet, and often dangerous, products like pharmaceuticals, airbags, makeup, children's toys, pet food, etc to reach the American public. I'm guessing they could care less and that's the real problem with this country today.
It's quite simple, be a careful shopper.  Nobody says you have to buy products made in another country, some are inferior, some are quite a bit superior. Once again, I pull for making your own decisions. It works for consumerism and it works for labor
Where you been Union boy?
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Posted on: May 16 2015,4:32 pm |
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Too late on the airbags, Moparman. Manufactured in Japan by Takata.
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