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Yes I did and her favoritism shows through. IMO

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What's your point?  

The point is kid you don’t what you’re talking about.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news...rs.html

Keystone XL Pipe Shuns Infrared Sensors to Detect Leaks

I didn’t think the Government allowed this type of stuff anymore, the best Government money can buy.
essentially what these guys are doing is counting barrels and using visual fly overs for leak detection!
This oil is heated to around 150 degrees and pressurized from 200 psi and up, when you have a rupture
and this stuff hits atmospheric pressure you could have a massive spill before it registers.

It’s not a matter of if you’re going to have a leak but when, to run this line over the Ogallala is asking for trouble.


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What? Possible trouble? We don't care about possible trouble if there is money to be made! The few that will make money are counting on the talking heads that they have trained to do their bidding. We as a whole cannot stand in the way of riches for the rich, after all it is just water. The bottled water companies deserve to make money too, now don't they? I think ground water is over rated anyway. Anything free can't be all that good, now can it? :sarcasm:

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^^ Have you always gone through life with blinders on?
Riches for the rich ?? Do you think that anyone that makes money is evil? Are you that jealous?


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You are the one that does not get it. I have no problem with someone making money, just don't do it at the expense of others. That is the part that you don't get.

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Only 2.5 percent of the earths water is fresh water of that only 1 percent is palatable drinking water, to run a corrosive
pipeline over the Ogallala Aquifer so oil companies have access to ports for export is playing Russian Rolette with one of our most valuable resources.

The Ogallala Aquifer is a shallow water table aquifer located beneath the Great Plains, one of the world's largest aquifers.


I haven't seen any of our rightwing friends try to disputed this statement on water!

The wealthy know water will be the next gold rush, T. Boone Pickens bought up large sections of land on the Texas panhandle and is claiming water rights on the Ogallala.
The Bushes bought 98,000 acres of land in Paraguay that sits on top of the worlds largest aquifer. Nestle a French company is pumping 1/2 million gallons of water
a day out of the Great Lakes tributaries and getting a tax incentive to do it, while exporting much of this water to China.


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You are the one that does not get it. I have no problem with someone making money, just don't do it at the expense of others. That is the part that you don't get.

What is this, "mother may I"? There are winners and losers in life. What's good for one is not always good for another.

I have "gotten it" I've learned  that if you want to get ahead in life that if one doesn't react, one doesn't adapt one's not going to advance.


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Sorry, just a dash and run from Susie Sunshine here.
These are just a few from the last couple of years. And we just have to take the word of the companies as to how much has been spilled.
2.5 million gallons of a mixture of oil, water and chemicals spilled from a 5 year old pipeline in Alberta Canada June 2013.

Over 900,000 gallons of oil, water and chemicals leaked in Alberta in May 2012

Over 1 million gallons of crude oil leaked from a pipeline in Alberta April 2011.

500,000 gallons of oil, water, gas and chemicals leaked in Alberta Oct. 2013.

400,000 gallons of water and chemicals leaked in Alberta Jan. 2014.

A lake had to be drained in Alberta in 2013 because half a million gallons of tarsands and chemicals leaked into it.

63,000 gallons of crude oil leaked from an ExxonMobil pipeline into the Yellowstone River July 2011.

Enbridge is still not done cleaning up it's almost 1 million gallon spill from July 2010.

Over 200,000 gallons of tar sand oil and chemicals spilled from an Exxon pipeline in Arkansas 2013. (Exxon also threatened journalists with arrest just like BP did during the gulf spill).

March 2013 a Chevron diesel pipeline leaked near Willard Bay State Park Utah. 27,000 gallons.
-June 2010 33,000 gallons of crude oil spilled into Red Butte Creek, Salt Lake City Utah. A few months later the same pipeline ruptured again spilling about the same amount.

Mike Klink, an inspector of the XL pipeline turned whistleblower in 2011 was fired for raising concerns to his bosses that the pipeline is crap. TransCanada spilled (6-story geyser) 21,000 gallons of tarsands and chemicals in ND 2011. New pipeline.
  -January 2014 a TransCanada natural gas pipeline exploded in Manitoba. Numerous warnings were made about the safety of the pipeline during and right after construction. 6 month old pipeline.
  -TransCanada has already had to repair over 100 dents, sags and bad welds in the southern part of the pipeline that has just been laid.

Tarsands and chemicals have been leaking into the Athabasca River from the tailing ponds.

Exxon Valdez is STILL not cleaned up and is still causing problems almost 25 years later.

Natural gas/oil companies refuse to disclose what chemicals they use during extraction, shipment and refining. "Trade Secrets". This saves them quite often from being blamed for polluting water and land. They just say "You can't prove it came from us". These companies have a revolving door of employees with the government agencies that are supposed to be their watchdogs. All the whining about regulations stifling the industry is a bunch of hooey. There's practically no oversight and when something bad happens they are fined a fraction of their earnings.
Meanwhile, taxpayers pay over $1 Billion dollars a year for cleaning up SuperFund sites.
They poison people's land and water, offer them money for their now worthless property and slap gag orders on the family.  
Thousands of gallons of chemicals were just leaked into the Elk River in WV. 300,000 people were without water. No testing has been done on the tank that leaked. They just test the water and then the company denies that some of what they find in the water came from them.
Water shortages are going to cause huge devestating problems very soon. Even in MN we are starting to experience shortages. Bees, butterflies, all of our pollinators are dying. Sea life is dying in droves from our toxic environments.
   But we can't talk about this mess. Can't expect anyone to change their habits. Let's just keep going and see what happens. It's a world economy, global market. Gotta compete in this race to the bottom.
   Maybe the world needs to have a conversation on where we are heading, and what needs to be done.

Sigh, I'm such a downer. I should just be content to live with warnings to people when it's not safe to breathe outside because of pollution. EPA raising "acceptable" limits for toxins. Warning pregnant women and children to not eat certain things because they are so toxic.
Rising rates of cancer, Autism, Altzheimers, diabetes, anti-biotic resistant diseases. Our lifestyles are to blame for all of these things. Not the entirely toxic environment we are creating. Besides, our kids and grandkids can clean it all up.


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You are the one that does not get it. I have no problem with someone making money, just don't do it at the expense of others. That is the part that you don't get.

What is this, "mother may I"? There are winners and losers in life. What's good for one is not always good for another.

I have "gotten it" I've learned  that if you want to get ahead in life that if one doesn't react, one doesn't adapt one's not going to advance.

How do you adapt to not having water? Water is and always has been the requirement of life. You are a selfish, short sighted and self centered individual! Just remember this, birds of a feather flock together. Watch out for the one that CAN be more selfish than you! :(


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I haven’t made a secret of what I do for a living, that’s right I work for a Utility that keeps your lights on as well as supplying your natural gas!
The gas line pressures and alarms appear on the SCADA at my desk, I’m the guy who dispatches emergency response, these things are not foolproof!

What was your expertise again?

...and the monkey flips the switch.


Anytime the G.O.P.(Greedy Oil Party) is for something you and me always end up paying more in one way or another.



Is that your graduation picture from truck driving school?

Nope, I thought it was you in your office pic. :woohoo:

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