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Posted on: Dec. 01 2012,8:49 am |
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I'm sure it will but the constant lamenting over this is pointless, we've made our bed, and now we're going to have lie in it.
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 01 2012,9:08 am |
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Yeah, and that 'bed' is World War III, as China and Russia have made it perfectly clear that they will not stand for an invasion of Iran.
But you're right. I don't expect much resistance from a bunch of sheep more concerned with what they're buying their kids for Christmas than the future of their country.
These are the good old days. Enjoy them while they last...
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Pretzel Logic
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Posted on: Dec. 01 2012,9:22 am |
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Moparman, I agree with what you just said. I just do not believe in it having to be a mandate. The problem with mandates is you end up having people making a lot of money off of it with out being a part of the equation.
If the market dictated that 15% was needed then so be it. Not by mandate. If there is not an economical advantage against the competitve product, why would anyone buy it unless by force.
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Moparman
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Posted on: Dec. 02 2012,8:47 pm |
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For the same reason they mandated that lead be removed from fuel. If we waited until market forces dictated a change it would never happen until its to late. To much interference from big oil, car companies, etc.
As far as the wrong people making money any dollar that stays here instead of heading to some foreign country is a good thing. In this global enonomy that just makes economic sense. Remember the competitive product is running out little by little everyday.
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^ eventually oil will be depleted, my great great great grandchildren will probably be lamenting that fact but then they'll be burning natural gas and coal. This ethanol thing is nothing more than a scam to get money to the farmers.
Look at the money that's being spent there, $21900 an acre in Iowa in October!
Yep Moparman, there's no money in farming. 
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Pretzel Logic
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Posted on: Dec. 03 2012,5:06 pm |
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Come on, tell me your not really trying to equate the removal of lead from gas to the addition of ethanol are you?
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012,4:40 am |
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(Moparman @ Dec. 03 2012,7:31 pm)
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QUOTE ^ eventually oil will be depleted, my great great great grandchildren will probably be lamenting that fact but then they'll be burning natural gas and coal. This ethanol thing is nothing more than a scam to get money to the farmers. Look at the money that's being spent there, $21900 an acre in Iowa in October! Yep Moparman, there's no money in farming. The average is about $6700 per acre. The land your talking about is in northwestern Iowa where a handful of very big growers are in a pi$$ing contest for acres. So this is an extreme isolated situation. The real scam is allowing so much money to flow out of this country to import oil. Coal and natural gas have a their place but not as a replacement for liquid fuels.
Pretty big pissing match  I agree, the money going out of this country for oil is sinful, especially when we have so much oil here. We're going to see more of these pissing matches, corn prices the way they are will ensure it.
Will this be our next bubble?
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Posted on: Dec. 04 2012,5:45 am |
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I've got no problem with E10, but I'm not a fan of using more than that. If someone wants to use more, so be it, I don't care for mandates above E10 though. Moparman has a point though about mandates. Many of the improvements we've seen in automotive wouldn't have happened if it was left to market conditions. The switch to a universal OBDii system in 1996, higher emissions and mileage standards, using R-134a refrigerant versus R-12, etc.
That being said, I'm a much bigger fan of the electric vehicles than anything else. Best for efficiency and emissions. We'll need something like ethanol though either way for the rest of us still driving gas engines, at least in E10. You can't use 100% pure gasoline, and the previous alternatives are banned. It's been a while since I've researched this though, so feel free to correct me on this second paragraph.
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