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I have been following this story for a while now and it seems it is on the edge.  Will be interesting to see which way this goes.  I myself would like to see the destruction of the BATFE, as this govt agency is a waste of time and taxpayers money, not to mention seems to think its mandate is above the law.

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Some of you may have heard about the brewing scandal called “Project Gunwalker.” In a nutshell, BATFE is being accused of walking guns – mostly AR-15s and AK-47s – across the border into Mexico from the Phoenix area. Making matters worse, it is reported that one of these weapons was used to kill Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry on December 15, 2010.

This is a scandal that has been brewing since September of last year. The problem is, though, none of the major mainstream media outlets seem to have the backbone to pick up the story and run with it. Whistle-blowers inside the BATFE have come forward, at risk of losing their jobs (or worse), and little has been done to give them any assistance.

One person who has started to get involved is our own Senator Charles Grassley. According to multiple sources, Senator Grassley is beginning to get more involved.  It is reported that today, he reminded the BATFE that they may not impede the investigation and they must protect the whistle-blowers who have stepped forward with the insider information.

As of this evening, there are still very few media outlets that are following the story. The only two that we've seen have yet to attribute any of their information to the hard work done by Codrea and Vanderboegh.

Hats off the Senator Grassley for keeping up the pressure on BATFE and AG Holder. You'll notice that our other Senator, Tom Harkin, hasn't offered any assistance with the investigation of what could turn out to be quite the scandal.


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Who is BAT?

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(Stone-Magnon @ Feb. 01 2011,8:53 pm)
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Who is BAT?

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and really big fires)


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“Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?”

There are actually four separate but connected accusations against ATF officials: First, that they intentionally arranged to have hundreds of firearms "walked" across the U.S. border into Mexico. Second, that they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners. Third, that they intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican government. Fourth, that one of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of Agent Terry.


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When was the last time you read something true on World Nut Daily?

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Sorry I didn't get this from worldnetdaily.

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The death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent north of Nogales, Ariz., on December 14, 2010 might turn out to be the death knell for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF.

Allegations have surfaced suggesting that one of the guns used by Mexican bandits during the firefight in which Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed might have been smuggled into Mexico with the knowing assistance of ATF officials. If these allegations prove to be true, it is quite possible that the long troubled agency could be dismantled. Even if there proves to be no connection with Agent Terry's death, the scrutiny generated by an investigation could crash the agency.

There are actually four separate but connected accusations against ATF officials: First, that they intentionally arranged to have hundreds of firearms "walked" across the U.S. border into Mexico. Second, that they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners. Third, that they intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican government. Fourth, that one of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of Agent Terry.

The accusations first arose on an ATF insider Internet forum called www.CleanUpATF.org, where suggestions of these possible misdeeds were characterized as rumors, speculation and "word on the street."

The forum is a gathering place for disgruntled ATF employees frustrated with ATF management and aimed at rooting out waste, fraud, abuse and managerial malfeasance.

After the initial rumors were picked up by Internet blogger Mike Vanderboegh of SipseyStreetIrregulars.blogspot.com and David Codrea of WaronGuns.blogspot.com and Examiner news, more information began trickling out, and Codrea and Vanderboegh began receiving independent and credible corroboration of the rumors.

At this point the two claim that there are government employees prepared to step forward with personal knowledge and documentation to prove some or all of the accusations, but that the whistleblowers fear reprisals and are seeking official protection from someone in Congress before turning over their information. So far members of Congress are running in the opposite direction.

Read more: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget? http://www.wnd.com/index.p...lwSNRtn



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here and here

didnt know worldnetdaily was covering it.


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I am sure it will be found that there was no sting, no runners, no shooter. ATF was not even working in the state at the time and they would never do something like that. :sarcasm:
There are so many govt. run agencies that make work. Job justification so to speak. CIA, ATF, DEA, and FBI, along with some social service networks. Gotta keep them paychecks coming. Just say no.


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I am sure it will be found that there was no sting, no runners, no shooter. ATF was not even working in the state at the time and they would never do something like that. :sarcasm:
There are so many govt. run agencies that make work. Job justification so to speak. CIA, ATF, DEA, and FBI, along with some social service networks. Gotta keep them paychecks coming. Just say no.

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