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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The phrase "under God" can mean something different to members of the approximately 313 religions and denominations in the United States, from monotheists who believe in one God (in the Judeo-Christian and other traditions), to polytheists who believe in many Gods, to others who believe in no God, or a God as represented by animal spirits, alien groups, or psychoactive substances.
http://undergod.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000068

Republicans attack Obama over Muslim center comments
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67E0XC20100815

Our Constitution protects all Religions in the United States.. Why?
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The Basic Law, in 1992, declared that Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by the progeny of King Abd Al Aziz Al Saud. It also declared the Qur'an as the constitution of the country, governed on the basis of Islamic law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

Saudi Arabia has one religion: 100% Muslim

I prefer to live in a country that has freedom of religion.. Amen! :notworthy:
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Timothy McVeigh was convicted of detonating a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Timothy McVeigh's only known political affiliations were his voter registration with the Republican Party of New York when he lived in Buffalo, New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.

Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

What would citizens of Oklahoma City think of a Catholic Church being built within two blocks of Ground Zero/Alfred P. Murrah Building?


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I get where you are coming from ALC, but I don't think McVeigh bombed the Murrah building in the name of a religion, unlike the 9/11 douche bags.
Not that I disagree with your assessment of protecting 1st amendment rights.


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If you asked the people who lost loved ones in the WTC attacks many would probably tell you that you are right Alki. What they would also tell you is that it is not that they are building a mosque but rather where they are building it. To many who lost loved ones in the WTC attacks that is what bothers them and why they feel it is insensitive of the people who support this mosque being built to not acknowledge this fact and build elsewhere.

It is not only the republican party who is attacking Obama for his comments but members of his own party have commented (or not commented) as well.

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“I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor,” former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas), who once ran the House Democratic campaign arm, wrote in POLITICO’s Arena. “While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help.”


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Few national Democrats rushed to embrace the president. Aides to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Robert Menendez didn't offer on-the-record comments Saturday.

The Republicans are chewing on this because it is an election year and they are no different than the Democrats in that regard. Were it a Republican President who said that the Dems would be all over it as well.

As GIL said McVeigh did not attack the Murrah building in the name of any specific religion unlike those who hijacked the aircraft and then used them to attack this country on September 11 2001.


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Trust me, I was heated as hell when I heard about a mosque being built near Ground Zero.

Then I thought that if our government denied American Muslims the freedom that this country was built on, then the radical kooks won and we lost a fundamental right.. If President Obama would have said anything other than what he did, it would only give the radical kooks all the more propaganda to say that the US was at war with all muslims.

McVeigh was a radical kook that was a malitia movement sympathizer that sought revenge against the federal government for the Waco Siege and the protection of the Second Amendment's right to bear arms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_movement

I have a problem with any kind of radical kook that wants to commit crimes against the innocent.


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Republicans Seize 'Ground Zero Mosque' As New Campaign Issue  :rofl:  :crazy:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...&page=2
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What they would also tell you is that it is not that they are building a mosque but rather where they are building it. To many who lost loved ones in the WTC attacks that is what bothers them and why they feel it is insensitive of the people who support this mosque being built to not acknowledge this fact and build elsewhere.

Did you ask them how they felt, or did talk radio tell you how they felt?


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I think that if New York stands behind what freedom of living in our country means, it could be a lose-lose situation for America.  It's clear that the majority of Americans don't want a mosque built so close to where nearly three thousand people lost their lives over a radical religious attack on the US.

If they allow it to be built, the radicals will claim victory and if it's disallowed, they will claim to the world that the United States hates muslims.  Neither of which is wholly true.

Why the majority of muslims don't back off and realize how polarized this is tearing the few fibers that hold a couple of religions together is what I don't understand.

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"The First Amendment protects freedom of religion," said Jim Manley, a Reid spokesman. "Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else."

I'm going with the statement Reid's office released.  I don't understand why it is so important to build it in that location? (well, maybe I have a good idea based on historical data)  But then, if they said tomorrow that they would move the location a couple blocks further away, would that be good enough?  Probably not.


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Did you ask them how they felt, or did talk radio tell you how they felt?

You have this fetish with talk radio Libby. Are you secretly in love with Rush or Hannity?

Actually Libby if you learned to read more than the comic strips or Media Matters, Daily Kos etc you would actually find that what I posted is actually true.


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