Topic: Ford coming out w/ $150,000 car
started by: Tiger
Posted by Tiger on Oct. 11 2003,12:39 pm
Minnow you can't play, you've been telling us for awhile now you are going to pay cash for an expensive vehicle.CNN.com is doing a survey
If you had the money would you spend $150,000 for a vehicle.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 11 2003,12:57 pm
If I can't sleep in it, make love in it, go potty in it, it ain't worth $150.000.
Posted by Tiger on Oct. 11 2003,12:58 pm
I want to know if money wasn't a concern and you could really afford it would you buy it. I think I would if money wasn't an issue.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 11 2003,1:40 pm
Tiger even if money was not a concern I would still feel the same way. It's my up bringing. Besides no american car let alone a ford is worth that kind of money.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 11 2003,3:33 pm
Does it have a hemi? 
Posted by fry on Oct. 12 2003,1:34 am
uh, yeah...........................
Posted by minnow on Oct. 13 2003,6:54 pm
Well...I got a Hemi too! 
Posted by minnow on Oct. 13 2003,6:57 pm
Geo chimes in...."sweet"
Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 14 2003,10:05 am
I read that cadillac is coming out with a car with a v-16 engine (pretty much to v-8's, welded together). If I had the money, I'd buy a car that expensive in a heartbeat. But I wouldn't drive it around here. The roads would ruin the suspension, chassis, and even rip the exhaust apart if you weren't looking out for potholes. 
Posted by lisalisa on Oct. 14 2003,7:00 pm
Why would you spend that much money on a car that you can't drive it over potholes, etc? If it's that expensive, I should be able to park it in the Wal Mart parking lot the Saturday after Thanksgiving and not worry about it. People buy the high dollar cars more for status than necessity. It's kind of like a Rolex on wheels. (If you can afford a Rolex, can't you afford to be late?)
Posted by minnow on Oct. 14 2003,9:38 pm
Some car guru at the Detroit auto show put it something like this, "Our house is what we are...our cars are what aspire to be. More often than not, there's a big difference between the two"Oddly enough and this is where it gets interesting...It's cheaper to "be" than to "aspire"! In other words, it costs MORE to prove something that you could BE for less!
See....that's why I'm rich and your not. I display total mastery over money.
Posted by Dustin Petersen on Oct. 15 2003,12:06 pm
Perhaps a car guru isn't the best person to believe on the psychology of buying a car. Of course they want us to believe that the amount we spend on a car reflects our ambition, drive (no pun intended), and aspirations. It's their job to sell. Anybody who wants to try to buy status can go right ahead, but buying a more expensive car will not change who you are.I wouldn't spend half that amount of money on a car. Unless it could drive underwater and shoot rockets at enemy helicopters. That would be pretty cool.
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 15 2003,5:33 pm
I don't think they meant "roids" when they were talking hemi's Minnow!! If you are so money savy, then why on earth would you think it would be a good idea to pay cash for a house. I think before you go spend your huge old wad of money you should go talk to a CFP. (for Minnow....this would be a Certified Financial Planner).
Posted by minnow on Oct. 15 2003,7:22 pm
How do you think mortgage companies make their money anyway? Now think of ALL associated costs if you can.The money saved is incredible to say the least... and don't give me the spiele about the mortgage interest deduction. It fools the little people everyime.
I should make upwards of 200K this year. Last year was 150K (2003).
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 15 2003,7:59 pm
But with interest rates on new houses around 5%, and investing your money at 10 or 12% wouldn't you be ahead by investing......?? And don't say you can't get that kind of return on your money because I have investments that are making more than that right now. Like I said..you should have a CFP, and if you don't your money isn't going to work for you. But hey....if you want to pay cash for a house you come to Mamma and she will find you one built to "your" specs.
Posted by The Advocate on Oct. 15 2003,8:02 pm
Well, I'm poor, stupid and downright dispicable because I drive a Geo Metro. Plus, I'm old!!!! My kids told me that was not an appropriate car for any old lady, but to hell with it. I stopped caring what other people thought years ago and am having a much better time ever since. Getting older is fun because you can tell people what you think, forget to shower and put on mismatched clothing all in the same day and nobody gives a rip.
Posted by Tiger on Oct. 15 2003,8:41 pm
Mamma, where are you finding interest rates at 10 and 12% for investments? Let me know and I will be there with my check in hand. Interest rates are not that good for investing right now.
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 15 2003,9:22 pm
Well Tiger ...just for starters...the stock market is up over 17% this year..........there's more.......but I was just trying to make a point that paying cash for a house is not real smart.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 16 2003,7:16 am
No there isn't. Mamma's been caught telling fish stories again.I'm a money pro...I was born and raised with one. My dad retired in his 40's and is worth $3-4 million now. He makes several hundred thousand a year trading derivatives on the computer. He's 77 now.
Still...someone like Jo-lo spends more on ring than me or my dad will make in several lifetimes. We aren't rich....everyone else is poor...
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 16 2003,10:35 pm
okay.....I made a mistake....I didn't realize that you could inherit money sense. You must have gotten that the same time you got common sense, morals, modesty, and compassion. 
Posted by minnow on Oct. 17 2003,12:07 am
Money skills aren't taught in school. It must be learned at home or on your own.Teachers... teaching money skills? LOL
All they can do is beg for another referendum.Most people blow all the money they'll ever need for retiement from 20-30. Just a little savings during that period will pay off like mad in 35 years. Hardly anyone will do it though.
I hope to make at $500,000 a year in under 5 years time. I've come a long way baby...
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 17 2003,8:50 am
How true Minnow. The earlier you start saving for retirement the more it multiplies. And setting goals for yourself also works wonders. I have a couple of boys in business for themselves too and they are doing just what you suggested, and they started in their early 20's. By setting goals they have been able to increase the size of thier businesses and are doing every bit as well as you are. The oldest is now 30....I guess he started before you though. Wise investing and smart business sense coupled with common sense can get you a long way. My youngest is not in business for himself, but he has been puttng money in an IRA and 401K since he was 18. So for once we actually agree on something.
Posted by lisalisa on Oct. 17 2003,10:15 am
The only difference is, Mamma, that you're probably telling the truth. While Minnow, on the other hand, is sitting in his mom's basement thinking up new Dungeons and Dragons characters. People who talk about how much money they make don't make as much money as they want you to believe.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 17 2003,5:38 pm
I agree Lisa and that's been my experience as well.But these are the internet days. I would NEVER say this stuff in person or to anyone but a few close people. The internet is a whole different ball game. There's a certain degree of anonymity the net provides that make it unlike anything we've experinced to date.
In realty, the compensation I currently enjoy came at a very high price. I don't know if it was really worth it. I can't go back and play it out differently to compare at this point.
It took me decades to come to terms with my mental illness. Cannabis has saved my life in this regard, but do to the fact that I sucked down cigarettes for 17 years my lungs really can't take anymore abuse so I'm gonna have to learn to fly solo now. I credit cannabis with saving me from cigarettes, alcohol and OCD. I'm an alcoholic....no drink for 10 years now.
Posted by guest on Oct. 17 2003,5:55 pm
minnow, you've finally admitted what we've known all along, you're one of them mental kaputs! What was it, the depression from when you were smaller than a guppy, with no friend or home life? Or is it the figments of you're imagination that you're obviously no over yet? Jest wundering?
Posted by The advocate on Oct. 17 2003,6:30 pm
Hey, Minnow like Dr. Phil says "It's never about the money." Inadequacey is covered up with money. Just look at that old fog, Geraldo Rivera with the sweet young thing. I mean, come on, he's rich, she doesn't have to work and all she has to do his stroke his ego and well..you know
Posted by minnow on Oct. 17 2003,7:35 pm
Yep... a mentally ill person is not only smarter than you, but also lives higher on the hog too! What's that make you? ...jealous...that's what
Posted by The Advocate on Oct. 17 2003,9:59 pm
How could you possibly know what my mental health history is or for that matter what my tax returns say? And Minnow, stop trying to wow us with your impressive jargon re: smokin "cannabis we all know its "Labrador" you been inhaling! Now get back down to moms basement!
Posted by nattiejean27 on Oct. 26 2003,5:09 pm
Read "The Millonaire Next Door". It will enlighten all - and yes, even you minnow LOL. :0
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 06 2003,4:26 am
| Quote (Guest @ Oct. 17 2003,4:38:pm) |
| It took me decades to come to terms with my mental illness. Cannabis has saved my life in this regard, but do to the fact that I sucked down cigarettes for 17 years my lungs really can't take anymore abuse so I'm gonna have to learn to fly solo now. I credit cannabis with saving me from cigarettes, alcohol and OCD. I'm an alcoholic....no drink for 10 years now. |
I just happened to be looking in this old thread. Finally, minnow's story starts to unravel.
I'm happy for you that you haven't had a drink in 10 years. But how, in any way could marijuana help a person with O.C.D.?
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 06 2003,11:24 am
What is O.C.D.?by Steven Phillipson, Ph.D.
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder, first and foremost. It is not a thought disorder. Although the thoughts associated with OCD are bizarre, they are not at all the focal point of the therapeutic objective. The essential features of OCD are recurrent obsessions (thoughts) that create an awareness of alarm or threat. (e.g., "I might get AIDS from the germs on that door knob;" "Since I had the thought of killing my baby, I might be capable of doing it;" "If I don't pick up that Band-Aid someone else might get sick from it, and I would hold myself culpable;" etc.). Persons typically engage in some avoidance or escape response in reaction to the obsessive threat (I typically refer to the obsessive threat as a "spike."). Obsessions take the form of either a perceived threat of physical harm to oneself or others or, in some cases, more of a metaphysical or spiritual threat to oneself, others, or perhaps a deity. I conceptualize the overall syndrome of OCD to consist of three primary branches. Within all three branches, in approximately 80% of all cases, persons performing these rituals are painfully aware that their behavior is unreasonable and irrational (see Speak of the Devil). However this insight provides no relief. Therefore attempting to help sufferers through reassurance has no long lasting positive effect.
It is not unusual for people to question whether they might qualify for a diagnosis of OCD given that most of the following examples are not unlike what most of us do to a limited degree on an everyday basis. Everyday examples of OCD like behavior include using one's foot to flush a toilet, knocking on wood three times to ward of a bad omen, throwing salt over one's shoulder for a positive future, or feeling inspired to say "God forbid!" after mentioning the potential death of a living person. Simplistic tests to determine whether these behaviors cross the line into the OCD realm include asking yourself how much money it would take for you not to perform the safe behavior. Persons operating in the non-OCD realm would most likely accept between $10 to $100 to do something that would make them feel uncomfortable. Persons with OCD typically would not accept upwards in the neighborhood of $100,000 to face their feared concern. Another criterion involves the degree to life's disruption. We all have quirks that take up small bits of the day. Very often, people wrestling with OCD invest hours of their day avoiding these concerns. All of us periodically hear a song (typically a noxious one) repeat itself like a broken record, playing over and over again in our mind. For the great majority of us the repetitiousness of this becomes mildly annoying, for persons with OCD the intolerance and rejection of this mental experience generates a tremendous amount of agitation and anxiety over losing control of one's mind!
The most common and well-studied branch of OCD involves the OC where the undoing response generally involves some overt behavior. The most commonly thought of form of OCD involves contamination. Here an awareness of germs, disease, or the mere presence of dirt evokes a sense of threat and an incredible inspiration to reduce the presence of these contaminants. Most commonly the escape ritual involves a cleaning response (e.g., hand washing, chronic cleaning). The next most common form of OCD involves checking. Typically checking involves door locks, light switches, faucets, stoves or items that left unchecked might pose a risk to either one's well-being or the well-being of others. It is not at all uncommon for persons with this manifestation to check items between 10 to 100 times. The overwhelming impulse to recheck remains until the person experiences a reduction in tension despite the realization that the item is secure.
Less common forms of OCD include hoarding, which is the excessive saving of typically worthless items such as junk mail, or excessive purchasing of certain items (e.g., owning hundreds of pairs of shoes). Other typically hoarded items include garbage, novelty items, or magazines and newspapers. A common rationale given to justify obsessive-compulsive hoarding behavior is an overriding fear that one day these items might come in handy or be of some value and therefore must not be thrown away. Another subgroup of hoarders involves persons who become emotionally attached to the items or feel that these items hold some emotional significance that reflects a particular moment in time. The person feels that relinquishing the item is in some way tantamount to releasing a past experience or association with a significant other.
Ordering is a subcategory where persons feel compelled to place items in a designated spot or order. This person fears a sense of being overwhelmed and impending anarchy if items are not placed exactly as they are arbitrarily determined. Persons with this condition typically line up items in parallel locations, but the focus is on the concept that each item belongs in a particular place. Another form of OCD is perfectionism, in which persons feel compelled to habitually check for potential mistakes or errors that might reveal their own faults or might jeopardize the person's stature at work.
The next branch discussed will be the purely obsessional OC (Pure-O, see Thinking the Unthinkable ). The objective in this classification involves the escape or avoidance (through excessive mental behavior) of noxious and unwanted thoughts. In its most generic form, persons might have upsetting words or phrases repeated in their head, not unlike what most experience when an unpleasant song is played over and over in our mind without our active choice in it being there. Persons with the Pure-O classification also can experience what seems to them to be threatening ideation involving the potential that they might do harm to others or that merely the idea of having the threatening thought suggests something evil or depraved about their identity, capability, or self worth. This classification periodically also involves persons who engage in a tremendous amount of problem solving (also referred to as ruminating), as a ritual. Endless attempts to answer questions related to one's own sexual orientation or even something as simplistic as the name of one's third grade teacher might occupy endless hours of problem solving.
This classification also involves persons with a heightened sense of superstitiousness, in which, for example, certain numbers might take on a great significance related to positive or negative outcomes. Typically, positive numbers or perhaps the number "seven" involve a greater likelihood for safety or permission to proceed with a given task. Other numbers forewarn of something ominous about to happen. These persons typically engage in elaborate touching or counting rituals to ensure that the safe or desirable number is the one upon which the task or thought is to be ended. Superstitiousness need not be limited to numbers. The old quirky childhood games of avoiding cracks or walking under ladders takes on a significance beyond most people's ability to comprehend.
The last branch involves a somewhat more complex and difficult to treat form of OCD. That is responsibility OC (hyperscrupulosity). Here, the person's concern is not for themself, but directed toward the well-being of others. Typically, significant others (although sometimes society at large) are thought of as the predominant focus on which to prevent harm from coming. The responsibility OC might take on a Pure-O form such as getting a noxious thought that some harm might come to someone else. And the person might feel compelled to pray in a way to stave off that harm coming to another. Also the responsibility OC might engage in elaborate cleansing rituals to prevent others from receiving germs or diseases which he or she may be carrying, yet feels no fear for his own well-being. Persons with this form of OC often engage in warning others about possible risks or cleansing their environment of possible risks to others at large. Persons with responsibility OC often engage in excesses for another's distress or danger, so as not to be held culpable. The reason this form is particularly difficult to treat is the combination of anxiety in association with the risk and guilt at being responsible for adversity happening to others.
More obscure forms of OCD involve body dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia is a condition wherein persons become excessively focused on some body part, which they perceive to be grossly malformed. Typically, the area that a person with body dysmorphia focuses upon would never be thought of as a defect to others in the person's peer group. Persons with body dysmorphia engage in elaborate checking rituals to try to gain reassurance or assess the severity of their deformity in the mirror or go for repeated plastic surgery or often engage others in the attempt to gain reassurance in the absence of the problem. Another obscure sub-classification of OCD involves an olfactory obsession in which persons are entrenched in the idea that some part of their body is emitting a noxious aroma. Typically, the areas that the person is convinced emits the noxious smell involve genitalia, breath, feet, or underarms.
The last form of OCD involves a preoccupation with the potential of having some physical malady, typically cancer or some life threatening disease. This condition continues to be referred to as hypochondriasis and exists in the DSM-IIIR as a separate disorder from OCD. However, like body dysmorphic disorder, the symptoms and endless search for reassurance fall completely under the diagnostic category of OCD.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 06 2003,11:26 am
Man you just got too high and your are only PARANOID!!!!
Posted by minnow on Nov. 06 2003,2:59 pm
OCD manifests itself in many different ways. Geo, It amazes me that you always seem to find the most obscure info on any subject. You need a new search engine or better hunting skills.Geo, OCD manifests itself in many different ways for different people and Cannabis cures every single one of them. Cannabis is medicine and always has been medicine since the beginning of time...at least 9000 years of recorded history. It's only been fairly recent in history that our knowledge of cannabis has been retarded for political purpose.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 06 2003,11:25 pm
Minnow- You ever been too a psych ward, or halfway house? Most of the patients end up their because they were okay before, but drugs (yes, even pot) fried their brain to the point of being schizophrenic, deppressed, and sometimes psychotic. I'm not saying that O.C.D. is caused by drugs, because I don't think it is. But you'd be better off with anti-depressants, at least they won't make it worse, or cause another illness. And yes, I read what you said about it's "medicinal" purpose, but if your doing your research with something like "high times", then your looking in the wrong direction.
But hey, I could be wrong... maybe your the one in a million guy it somehow works for.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 06 2003,11:29 pm
So... Umm... Would you buy a $150,000 car if you could???
Posted by minnow on Nov. 07 2003,1:16 am
"But you'd be better off with anti-depressants, at least they won't make it worse, or cause another illness. "ANTI DEPRESSANTS?!! For OCD???
You know I really hate to say it but you sir are an idiot. What are you a doctor now? You know what to prescribe AND you've also diagnosed EVERYONE in every institution? LOL
You've got the IQ of a monkey, let alone think you can play doctor! I mean really...
Posted by minnow on Nov. 07 2003,1:19 am
$150 G's on a car...I don't see why not...I just spent $7000 on two bicycles. Seriously...I'd go to $100,000 tops...only if I had everything else I wanted already.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 07 2003,1:47 am
| Quote (minnow @ Nov. 07 2003,1:16:am) |
| ANTI DEPRESSANTS?!! For OCD??? You know I really hate to say it but you sir are an idiot. |
I was diagnosed 6 years ago. The difference between me & you is I take anti-depressants for it, and you smoke pot. How do I end up being the idiot?
Posted by Mamma on Nov. 07 2003,8:20 am
Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline. If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.
If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5.
If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred, to the mother ship.
If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.
If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer.
If you are dyslexic, press 9696969696969696.
If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the pound key until a representative comes on the line.
If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name.
If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep, or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.
If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.
If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All operators are too busy to talk to you.
If you are blonde don't press any buttons, you'll just screw it up.
Posted by Mamma on Nov. 07 2003,8:21 am
Now, the above was offered with a sense of humor...please do not fly off the handle and want my home phone and address.........geeeeeeeesh
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 07 2003,8:28 am
LOL, Mamma!
Posted by shaker on Nov. 08 2003,11:27 am
That was good Mamma,