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Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 09 2018,8:34 am

< View on YouTube > :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 15 2018,11:27 am

< https://youtu.be/wrnd0-GOo14 >

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 16 2018,6:25 am

^^^These shootings by nuts are a direct result of having a nut in the White House—Trump signs bill reversing Obama rule to ban gun purchases by mentally ill

The Obama administration rule required the Social Security Administration to submit records of mentally disabled people to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the FBI database used to determine whether someone can buy a firearm under the 1993 Brady Bill.

< https://www.usatoday.com/story....8484106 >

if you are getting SSI for a mental issue I don't want you walking around with a pistol in your pocket.....

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2018,6:34 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 16 2018,6:25 am)

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if you getting SSI for a mental issue I don't want you walking around with a pistol in your pocket.....

I do beliwve you better turn yours in then.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 16 2018,7:10 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 16 2018,6:34 am)

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I do beliwve you better turn yours in then.

^ Is English your second language comrade?? Russian troll...

NRA types like you and Ted Nugent who crapped your pants when drafted have mental issues on record—the FBI should immediately confiscate your firearms.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 16 2018,10:38 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 16 2018,6:25 am)

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Oh figures USA today would leave out the very detail on why this was reversed.

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The rule, which went into effect in late December, requires the Social Security Administration to report individuals whose benefits are managed by a representative payee and who meet other criteria to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS. Those reported to the NICS are prevented from legally purchasing or possessing firearms.

Getting financial help does NOT make one mentally defective. Good lord even the ACLU was against this and wanted it reversed.
The rule included no meaningful due process protections prior to the SSA's transmittal of names to the NICS database. You cannot deny a persons enumerated rights without due process.

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The rule applies to individuals age 18 to 65 who have been assigned a representative payee because Social Security determined they were incapable of managing their benefits and have been designated as disabled by the administration due to a mental impairment. The Social Security Administration notifies individuals affected by the rule over the phone and in writing. These individuals can challenge their designation, but only after their records have been submitted to NICS.

It was an overreach by bho and the SSA and needed to be struck.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2018,10:45 am

Looks like the FBI f@cked up on this one, plenty of early warning that this kids cheese had slid off his cracker.

< http://mobile.wnd.com/2018....shooter >

Seems the FBI has screwed up or acted with maleficence quit often recently, perhaps their usefulness has been out lived.

Take my firearms? Come get them

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 16 2018,11:16 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 16 2018,10:45 am)

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More likely it was the Fla. school district more so than the FBI.
< Here’s Why Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Never Reported Nikolas Cruz to the Police >

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 17 2018,6:31 am

^^as more comes out this gets more bizarre...

Deputies called to suspected shooter’s home 39 times over seven years

< https://nypost.com/2018....n-years >

whats gone wrong with our law?

if we don't crack down on nutjobs they'll be after all OUR firearms..

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 17 2018,8:09 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 17 2018,6:31 am)

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if we don't crack down on nutjobs they'll be after all OUR firearms..

And the blind begin to see?

Maybe the FBI needs a good house cleaning, between this and the Russian fiasco, they've become quit inepet, even corrupt.

< https://bearingarms.com/tom-k....thought >

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 18 2018,6:07 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 17 2018,8:09 am)

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(Expatriate @ Feb. 17 2018,6:31 am)

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if we don't crack down on nutjobs they'll be after all OUR firearms..

And the blind begin to see?

No, what I see as the problem—guys like you, who want no rules whatsoever!
Personally as I've said in the past these people on SSI are using my tax dollars they don't need to be squandering my money on an assault rifle for when they go bonkers. put them on the no buy list!

if you're on the no-fly list you're on the no buy list.

this kid in Florida is a prime example of lax laws concerning firearms
this kid should have never been allowed to legally purchase a firearm. Even you and Dragon will have to admit that..

there's a certain percentage of people that should NOT have guns no matter how you define the 2nd Amendment.

If we continue the NRA resist any gun law strategy it will end up in an over reaction.

I don't need a matty mattel or an AK but if you guys want to play army—what to hell go for it, but if we don't keep these weapons away from fruitcakes they will be after yours.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2018,6:51 am

^^ so because someone else screwed up, all law abiding citizens have to pay.

< https://youtu.be/Ed6Z6h_G85Q >

As I've stated, maybe the FBI needs a house cleaning. Just like when a puchasing corperation comes in, everyone is fired and has to reapply.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 18 2018,11:32 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 18 2018,6:07 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 17 2018,8:09 am)

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(Expatriate @ Feb. 17 2018,6:31 am)

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if we don't crack down on nutjobs they'll be after all OUR firearms..

And the blind begin to see?

Are you suggesting that if someone is on the no fly list they should be barred from arms with out due process? That is unconstitutional. People who are added to the list are not given their day in court and are unaware that they have been added to a secret govt watch list.

Cruz should have been arrested and charged over the course of his life, but yet no law enforcement followed up on it and as such he wasn't added as a prohibited person to the NICS, as such he was legally allowed to buy firearms.

The issue isn't the availability of firearms or "lax laws" as you put it, the issue is at the feet of law enforcement. There are over 20,000 federal and state firearm laws, I would hardly call that "lax"

And you know the AR platform sold in stores is a far cry from being an "assault rifle" so quit being so melodramatic about it.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 18 2018,12:15 pm

^^the AR15 platform is the civilian version of the M16—just because it doesn't have a selector switch to full auto or a 3 shot burst as the Marine rifle it hardly makes it any less of a military style assault weapon.

Fact is today's AR15 beats that POS jamming Matty Mattel M16 the Army issued in the 60's...it was made by Colt but problematic..

I'm not advocating for any ban, merely describing the weapon.
I don't know why you'd take offense, it is what it is..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 18 2018,12:46 pm

(Expatriate @ Feb. 18 2018,12:15 pm)

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I didn't take offense to it, I was merely pointing out you had used the verbiage that the AR15 was an assault rifle which it clearly is not.

I mean we can list the differences:
Mechanically the lower receiver has an extra hole machined to pin the auto sear in place above the selector switch (also some manufacturer omit the machining inside the lower receiver to allow installation of an auto sear).

The selector switch in the M16 has extra grooves to allow it to disable the disconnector.

The disconnector has a little piece on the end of it that gets held down by the selector switch when placed in the auto/burst position.

The trigger has an open back design to allow for the auto disconnector.

The hammer has a hook to catch on the auto sear.

The bolt carrier has a longer section on the lower rear portion to trip the auto sear and release the hammer as it slams forward to chamber the round allowing it to continue firing until you release the trigger, on burst models the disconnector is released by the burst cam after 3 shots and stops firing until the trigger is pulled again.

Full auto and burst fire control groups both contain different parts from each other and the Semi Auto FCG.

M16 bolt carriers are legal in AR15s as they alone do not allow automatic operation.
Other than that the AR15 is just another modern version of any other old school semi auto rifle that function in the same similarity. Modular type rifles are the next resultant evolution in firearm technology.

As for the other nomenclature usage of "assault weapon" there is no such category as the term is a made up political name given to modern rifles such as the AR and AK back in the 80s.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2018,12:59 pm

^^ I think I need some alone time. :blush:

That being said, here's a vid to answer the one that Princess first posted.

< https://youtu.be/T7ZBLkgeh7I >

No, I do not name my guns.

Not all of them leastwise.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 18 2018,1:24 pm

< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2018,1:58 pm

^^ yes, the M16A1, not an AR 15

Here watch one on a real weapon.

< https://youtu.be/q4Y4Ky8P-lk >

This all gets to be pointless, the AR, the M1A, the FNFAL, etc, etc, etc are not assault rifles, they are not fully auto or capable of three shot bursts. I doubt if modern versions have bayonet lugs any more because of the the assault weapons ban of the 90's. This is nothing more than fear mongering. Placing blame on an inanimate object, an excercise in impotence.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 18 2018,2:11 pm

^^Had an M14 in the Military, it'd knock'm down at 300 yrds.
heavy hard hitter big ammo.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2018,2:46 pm

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 19 2018,6:08 am

It really doesn't matter what you label the rifle or how many laws you have— this rifle is getting into the wrong hands.

Maybe this weapon should be restricted to those who have actually completed their military obligation to this country. that would cover the well regulated Militia part of the 2nd Amendment.

First thing on the news this morning talk of a ban, well the NRA and folks like SB and Dragon brought this on themselves.

As for SB who thinks you arm everyone and that'll fix it.. If you happened on one of these shootings you'd have your lady smith in your front pocket and a turd in your back pocket as your fat cherry ass ran down the road. In a shooting situation like this if all you rookies were armed we'd have more friendly fire deaths than not. and when the police got there it be blood bath, you NRA types are all crazy and should be on the no buy list...

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 19 2018,6:38 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 19 2018,6:08 am)

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How nice of you to lay blame at the feet of the NRA and people who don't support further infringements. The NRA isn't to blame, Congress isn't to blame, nor are those who resist further infringements. Look I get it, people are looking for reasons to place blame, emotions tend to do that. Let's place the blame solely where it belongs, on the shooter himself. I refuse to bear ANY responsibility, I didn't do it, quit blaming others, it's lazy, and disingenuous.

You do know the first part of the 2nd Amendment is a prefatory clause and has ZERO bearing on the enumerated right itself, yes?

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2018,6:53 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 19 2018,6:08 am)

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Maybe this weapon should be restricted to those who have actually completed their military obligation to this country. that would cover the well regulated Militia part of the 2nd Amendment.

Obligation? And what obligation would this be? There wasn’t a draft when I came of age, no mandatory service requirement.

I think I’ll just keep my “Ladysmith” thank you.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 19 2018,7:56 am

How these guys are getting these military style rifles in the first place shows a weakness in the system.
Local law enforcement had been at this kid's house 39 times, that should have been a red light on this guy.

Last time I bought a pistol it required I go to the local sheriff and fill out paperwork locally before cleared to own a handgun..the same procedure should be required for military type rifles.

Local authorities have access to firsthand information about their local residents that may not be available on the federal level.

I'm not up on these firearm checks but something is wrong in the way we're doing it...

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 19 2018,8:47 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 19 2018,7:56 am)

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Every single one of those shooters that were involved where multiple people died had passed a background check. The NICS cannot pull a "Minority Report" it just isn't possible nor is it possible to determine what is going on in one's head.

The AR 15 is not a military style rifle, it just looks like one. If we were to use your standard, the Remington Model 700, is a military style rife since it is designated as the M24, we can even throw in the M1911, and the M9.

I too remember going through all the BS to purchase a pistol in MN when I lived there, it's dumb. Where I live, I walk in purchase a pistol/rifle/what have you, the FFL runs my background, 3 minutes later I'm out the door with a new firearm, and on my way to the range to sight it in.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2018,9:08 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 19 2018,7:56 am)

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Last time I bought a pistol it required I go to the local sheriff and fill out paperwork locally before cleared to own a handgun..the same procedure should be required for military type rifles.

In Minnesota it is required to have a purchase permit or the sheriff does a background check to purchase these “assault” weapons, carrry permit works too.

How is that Hi Point? Shoot well? :blush:

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 19 2018,9:35 am

< Souch nails it >

Morality and ethics are out the window. They went away with trips to the woodshed, two-parent households, and Sunday sermons.

Talks of gun bans and armed teachers only serve to normalize school shootings, as though this is now a part of American life that's here to stay.

How did we get here? How, if possible, can we get back to where we were?

Not included in Joe's article was something he said on his radio show, something he felt he might get in trouble for: Where are the black school shooters? He posited that maybe black kids were raised with a sense of God-fearing and faith.

I dunno. It's a complex problem, one that won't be solved by banning certain firearms, or arming school faculty. Perhaps a return of Fatherhood, something agnostic liberals have been trying to destroy since my childhood.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2018,10:28 am

^^ every now and then from you :thumbsup:

Well said. :clap:

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 20 2018,5:05 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 19 2018,9:08 am)

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How is that Hi Point? Shoot well? :blush:

Well I don't own a Hi-Point but I'm temped...Know a couple of guys who have the Hi-Point 995TS Carbine 9mm
You can purchase a number of accessories to dress this carbine up..
It's made in America.

If you know someone with a Federal license you can order one from Cheaper Than Dirt for 250.64 if you can add a coupon it gets cheaper than dirt...

Couldn't get the direct link to work so you'll have to type Hi-Point in Cheaper Than Dirt's search prompt.

< https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2018,5:43 am

^^ first of all, I don't order fro Cheaper than platonium because of the outrageous price gouging they did after Sandy Hook, there's capitalism then there's taking extreme advantage. If you want a weapon like that save your sheckles and by an AR platform. A S&W M&P can be had for as little as $500, a few dollars more a Ruger. These are much better to accessorize, more options, don't jam and folks won't snicker at you at the range (least not for your gun.)

If you're looking for home defense just buy a shotgun and be done with it

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 20 2018,6:16 am

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^^you don't have to buy it from Dirt---Hi-Point has a lifetime, no questions asked warranty free repairs for the life of the gun, whether you are the first owner, or the third.. Your snaky gun snub comment on Hi-Point because it's a cheaper build means nothing to me...

I do own shotguns, even bought those defense shells, but that would make one hell of mess, SB if you ever fire a 12ga. inside you'll be stone deaf and blind if it's dark.

Small caliber is actually best for indoor home defense,(imo) it's not so deafening, you won't be blinded by muzzle flash in the dark.
I don't want to blow holes in my walls or kill my neighbors, just want the intruders out.

The first sign of resistance is enough to drive off intruders, if I lived in the country or a secluded area where any skirmish may be prolonged I'd use other options.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 20 2018,6:53 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 20 2018,5:43 am)

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I agree, CTD is crap, stay away from that place, the owners of CTD are not a firearms owner friend.
MidwayUSA and Brownells are way better.

As for self-defense, while a shotty is ok, my go to is my AR or my 1911.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2018,6:56 am

^^ AR for home defense? You live in the sticks? I'd worry about wall penetration myself.
A 223/5.56 will go through .250 of steel at 50ft.

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 21 2018,3:09 am

< The Destroyed Academy Strikes Again >

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Professor Wax’s crime consisted in an op-ed in the Philadelphia Inquirer last August in which she and a colleague from the University of San Diego Law School dared to suggest that many of the “bourgeois” values that reigned in America prior to the 1960s were actually good for society and “a major contributor to the productivity, educational gains and social coherence of that period.”

The two professors laid out the “cultural script” embraced during that period in the following terms:

Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.

The breakdown of this “bourgeois culture,” they contended, underlies many of today’s social pathologies, while a return to that culture would go a long way toward addressing them.

Oh, the Humanity. Suggesting that people get married before having kids, and that they work hard. Liberal minds=blown.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 21 2018,6:21 am

^a Breitbart spin on morality—when do the Jerry Falwell quotes start?

I'm still waiting for one of our 3%ers to give US a workable solution to these mass shooting.

World Nut Daily claims this kid was on antidepressants, should we pull the right of anyone on these drugs to purchase or own firearms?

< http://www.wnd.com/2018....hooting >

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 21 2018,7:31 am

It was a Saturday WSJ article, but you need a subscription, so I linked the Breitbart article.The vague criticism of her op/ed is < here >. The comments are particularly enlightening.

The destruction of the academy is almost complete. PC thugs have taken over. Inauthentic ethnic food is a microaggression. If you have five LGBTQRS@£XYZ students on campus, you need gender-neutral bathrooms. And don't even think of having a conservative speaker on campus. That's a no-no now, just like Taco Nite.

I was raised DFL. I suspect my folks were more like Eisenhower Republicans. Either way, neither party remotely resembles what it used to be. That ship has sailed.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 21 2018,7:56 am

Are you trying to drag me out to the deep end or do you just have a nostalgia for Brown shirts and jackboots?

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 21 2018,8:42 am

No, I'm trying to figure out what we lost between the time I was a kid and now, that thing or those things that prevented school shootings, but don't anymore.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 22 2018,7:26 am

^^More than likely several factors..
One of my coworkers had a wife who was a School Nurse, he told me the number of kids on some kind of drug was astounding. and this was a grade school!
In my day schools still doled out corporal punishment, nowadays it seems behavioral problems are fixed with a pill, we're to quick to diagnose label and prescribe a magic pill that changes brain chemistry.

On the other hand if you read some of these 3%er comments, there is no problem at all, it didn't happen, it was "Deep State Hollywood fiction"
"fake news" "it's all a plot to get our guns". :rofl:

we're giving the Meds to wrong people. imo

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2018,7:39 am

^^ they should have beat you more :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 24 2018,6:43 am

After Wayne LaPierre's big spiel at CPAC thought I'd check this guy out.

How could the hardcore patriots in the NRA tolerate a draft dodger like Ted Nugent who got out of his military obligation on a mental disorder.
Well it turns out birds of a feather do flock together, LaPierre himself avoided military service on a mental disorder, neither of these traitors to the Republic should be trusted with firearms...

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_LaPierre >

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 24 2018,8:50 am

When Lapierre and his ilk bring up the Second Amendment, I wish they'd be careful to recite the whole of it, and explain how Bubba and his houseful of guns are part of any well-regulated militia.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 24 2018,9:06 am

(Botto 82 @ Feb. 24 2018,8:50 am)

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When Lapierre and his ilk bring up the Second Amendment, I wish they'd be careful to recite the whole of it, and explain how Bubba and his houseful of guns are part of any well-regulated militia.

Please explain how a prefatory clause limits or infers a condition on the the right itself?

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2018,11:50 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 24 2018,6:43 am)

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Wow, what a card game you 4 could have, Wayne, Ted, the president and you, lots of notes to compare I guess. :blush:

As for the NRA, I've joined again, 30 bucks, one year, If they continue to show a backbone this time I might become a life member next year.

Also joined Gun owners of America and renewed my JPFO. :thumbsup:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 24 2018,5:24 pm

< This is why you don't listen to the media on firearms >
:rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2018,6:18 pm

^^ wow, I've got more AR15s than I thought.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 27 2018,7:36 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2018,10:10 am

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 27 2018,10:28 am

^^perhaps you could show US proof of your parroted factiod meme..

If you'd like proof on the cartoon in post 47 all you need to do is read Trump's proposed 2019 Budget!

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 27 2018,11:26 am

I love it when they eat their own :rofl:

< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2018,12:13 pm

^^ how’s anything these four guys on MSNBC “eating their own” or even viable? This is nothing more than MSNBC, left wing kooks spewing shit.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 27 2018,12:30 pm

< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2018,12:54 pm

^^ most likely more than a cream puff like you would do. :rofl:

< https://www.google.com/amp....-mugger >

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 28 2018,6:37 am

^^yeah Trump rides around with a baseball bat in his limousine..this is just more Cadet Bone Spurs creating a fictional reputation..he more than likely set the whole ruse up (IF) it actually occurred.

Remember we're talking about Donald Trump, a slime who masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself...this guy is one big fake...

this guy has five deferments—he's got feathers on his ass just like you prat boy...

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Investigators believe the Florida high-school shooting ended earlier than planned because the gunman's AR-15 jammed while he was changing clips.
The shooter had more than 180 rounds of ammunition left before he fled the scene, CNN reported.
The jammed weapon is one reason why Republican Sen. Marco Rubio said he was reconsidering a ban on high-capacity magazines.

< http://www.businessinsider.com/nikolas....-2018-2 >

So today's Matty Mattel has all the quality of the 60's version

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2018,7:36 am

I’m sure you’re like this twink, traumatized by firing an AR15, fearing the cannon like noise, shocked by the recoil :rofl:

< http://www.nydailynews.com/news....2673201 >

My daughter was shooting an AR at age 11, pretty good at it too. :thumbsup:

Face it, there’s just not a thing our President can do right in your eyes (which is very encouraging) I do believe if you had read the article you’d seen there were witnesses. :oops:

Even left tard Snopes can disprove it :blush:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 28 2018,8:55 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 28 2018,6:37 am)

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< http://www.businessinsider.com/nikolas....-2018-2 >

So today's Matty Mattel has all the quality of the 60's version

ARs use clips now? Huh.
As for the jamming issue, 90% of it all boils down to a feed issue with the magazine, cheap mags will jam up just about any firearm.

The other 10%, is the ammo itself. Last year I bought a bunch of cheap .223 ammo that was made in Yugoslavia, and my ARs did not like to eat that ammo, jam after jam, I ended up giving away the ammo to guy at the range that was shooting a bolt action .223.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2018,11:31 am

My cure for finicky guns

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2018,6:02 am

I just read on facebook that Chucky Schumer has a permit to carry, now me being the ever doubting thomas i went to the interweb to see if I could find anything. Snopes (hold on, I just threw up in my mouth a little) said this is false. I guess I could believe Chuckles is not packing...

...but I bet his security detail does :blush:

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2018,5:16 am

...and then there are the hypocrites, the ones who say "me too" to look good after a tragedy

2013
< https://www.nbcnews.com/news....0964008 >

2018
< http://money.cnn.com/2018....ex.html >

Fortunately, I don't like dicks, how about you Expat?

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 04 2018,10:27 am

the link is a pdf of proposed actions by Florida's Governor and Legislature—the only amendment should be a tax clause on firearms and ammunition to pay for these changes...

< https://www.flgov.com/wp-cont.....18.pdf >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 04 2018,10:57 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 04 2018,10:27 am)

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Punitive taxation on a constitutional right is unconstitutional, it amounts to the same as a poll tax. There are already federal and state excise taxes on firearms and ammo already. Unless you are advocating dipping into the state side of the excise taxes on firearms and ammo to shift toward the payment of those changes?

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 04 2018,12:21 pm

^The legislation is Florida's so should the tax be, but- if Florida is successful stopping school shootings and the proposal goes National so should the tax.. — The Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET) is a federal tax on the manufacture, importation, production, and sale of firearms and ammunition it could be increased to cover costs of a National implantation of Florida's plan...it's not cheap but what price do you put on our children....

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 04 2018,1:12 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 04 2018,12:21 pm)

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An additional tax on firearms and ammo on top of the excise and sales tax at the state level is unconstitutional as it is a punitive tax on an constitutional right. If the state wants to fund it, the state must find the usage from the sales tax side. Laws and or taxes that further erode/infringe enumerated rights are not worth the cost for temporary safety.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2018,4:29 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 04 2018,12:21 pm)

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So, the criminals and the wackos are going to be discouraged by a tax, is that how it works? One would think that they might just order ammo online.

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 05 2018,6:57 am

^The changes aren't meant to restrict firearms or ammunition,(read the pdf in post 60) right now it's just Florida, with a Republican Government in Florida this is their legislation but Trump will push a similar plan Nation wide. Republican's will pass it without a means to pay for it, that's why I proposed a tax on firearms and ammunition to pay for it rather putting it on the credit-card...

They can tax anything and everything, Article I of the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution gives the Government leeway in Taxation...

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2018,7:44 am

^^ so they can tax a right?

So if I want to express my 1st amendment rights they’ll send me a bill?

No, our President is more likely stalling and apeasing the radicals, most likely till it blows over.

Posted by pepi-lapew on Mar. 05 2018,2:06 pm

If it would have been 17 old people that would be okay, Is that what you are saying Expat?

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 05 2018,2:35 pm

^Are you auditioning for the next bed in the Alzheimer Unit? I have no idea what you're talking about—the older you get the dumber you post pepi.... :crazy:

Posted by pepi-lapew on Mar. 07 2018,8:40 am

The first things you Libatards rag about is the guns, the ar-15 did not kill those 17 kids it was the a$$ behind it! Thats what I was talking about. You hardly hear a word of it is older people. Every time it happens the first words out of a Libatards mouth is it is for the children?

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 08 2018,6:13 am

^Nobody is looking to ban the AR-15, it's one of the last American industries, it provides employment in manufacturing of the weapon and ammunition, sales, rifle ranges. If you want to waste your money on a Matty Mattel have at it..

The Florida shooting was a failure of current laws, failed parenting, failed school administration, failure of local mental heath-workers, failure on the part of local law enforcement, and a failure of the Federal system of background checks.

If this kid was on some kind of anti-psychotic or antidepressant because he couldn't deal with life logic would say maybe he shouldn't have a firearm.

Even the most fervent NRA member posting here has to question with this kids troubles with the law, school and psychological issues should there have been prohibition term on his firearm ownership!

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 08 2018,8:02 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 08 2018,6:13 am)

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The Florida shooting was a failure of current laws, failed parenting, failed school administration, failure of local mental heath-workers, failure on the part of local law enforcement, and a failure of the Federal system of background checks.

Failed FBI
Failed sheriff. :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 08 2018,8:14 am

Yeah FBI too,

from link V

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her son suffered from ADHD, depression and autism but insisted he received his necessary medication as prescribed,

SB Should this kid have been allowed to have a firearm?

< https://www.nbcnews.com/news....n849221 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 08 2018,10:03 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 08 2018,8:14 am)

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Yeah FBI too,

from link V

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her son suffered from ADHD, depression and autism but insisted he received his necessary medication as prescribed,

SB Should this kid have been allowed to have a firearm?

< https://www.nbcnews.com/news....n849221 >

No he shouldn't have, and law enforcement had multiple opportunities to arrest and have the individual charged, but instead chose to ignore it.

Incidences are not enough to report nor fit the scope of the NICS, nor is the fact that he suffered from ADHD, depression and autism but insisted he received his necessary medication as prescribed, as that would take a change in the HIPPA laws to allow reporting to the NICS. It would have taken a judge to have him declared adjudicated mentally ill at a doctors request.

So with out any of those being reported, there was nothing in his background check to stop the purchase of a firearm.

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 09 2018,5:41 am

In this case I'm in agreement with the Ragin' Cajun—. ( after 39 calls on this kid and no charges ) means no record. maybe we need to step up the game on reporting incidents and psychological problems...It's not really the firearms laws but what's allowed to be reported.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2018,2:23 pm

< https://www.google.com/amp....un-bill >

She wants armed protection🤡

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 19 2018,4:26 am

Meanwhile, in Texas

< https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/us/austin-explosion/index.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 20 2018,7:04 pm

A good guy with a gun :thumbsup:

< http://www.foxnews.com/us....ms.html >

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 22 2018,6:51 am

^^Gaskill is a deputy sheriff wearing a uniform, a 34-year-old SWAT-trained officer of the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Office.

There's a big difference in a highly trained deputy in uniform over passing out pistols to a bunch teachers...

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 22 2018,7:17 am

^^ so what you’re saying is, only law enforcement should be able to possess a firearm.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2018,6:23 am

😮

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 25 2018,7:12 am

^^You're going to see an increase in gun control laws.

viewing SB's nonsensical posts shows we should restrict carry permits, he's obviously the product of an incestuous union...

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 25 2018,8:56 am

Amazing what a bunch of wasted money by leftist gun control groups can buy, let alone the alleged 800K marching to have their rights restricted, only an idiot would demand the govt to restrict their rights.

I don't foresee any further gun control than what has already passed as there isn't any reason to pass any more, and the two that did get passed should have been killed as well. Not to mention the march will be distant memory as new news cycles will be front and center.

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 25 2018,11:48 am

this survey is a bit dated but if anything Bipartisan support has grown...

< http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta....-others >

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2018,12:44 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 25 2018,11:48 am)

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this survey is a bit dated but if anything Bipartisan support has grown...

< http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta....-others >

< http://www.extremeink.com/awtk....es.html >

Even more suspicious when the ranks of the NRA, GOA and others are growing fast.

I do like the pic you posted, I've never seen so many "parrots" in one place.

I thought I heard they were supposed to be 2 million marchers and I find even 800k to be dubious. I see a bankrupt municipality such as Baltimore sent buses full of the ill informed. Where'd the money come from?

< http://www.baltimoresun.com/news....ry.html >

GD has it right, only an idiot would ask for the government to take away his own rights, I give you Expat.

Off to the range with the Mrs. :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 26 2018,9:01 am

Once again I'll repeat it, I'm not in favor of any ban.

but at this point I'd bet money more regulation is in the pipeline, whether State or Federal perhaps both...

these gun manufactures provide jobs. if someone wants to buy one of these military style rifles have at it...but these things are not for home defense you'll kill your neighbors just a quickly as the intruder and that castle law won't get you out of that mess.

Remington filed for Bankruptcy chapter 11, more to due with model 700 defect...they're replacing the trigger on millions of these rifles..

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 26 2018,9:16 am

^^ no, Remington files bankruptcy because of piss poor management, buying up companies like Bushmaster, Marlin etc then not managing them properly, allowing production QC to suffer tremendously.

The 700 safety issue? I have two 700’s one 80’s one 90’s production, neither has any problems.

You don’t think the government wouldn’t come after our firearms? Idiots like you are the reason organizations like the NRA exist.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 26 2018,2:19 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 26 2018,9:01 am)

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That simply isn't true in regards to an AR.
The AR platform makes an excellent home defense firearm. Light-weight, low recoil allowing the user to stay on target, quick on target acquisition. All in all, any type of firearm you chose to use as your main defense weapon, over penetration on a missed shot is a possibility, it's one of those decisions to make on whether to take the shot and not miss.

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 27 2018,5:46 am

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I have two 700’s one 80’s one 90’s production, neither has any problems.

recall-Model 700 and Model Seven rifles manufactured between May 1, 2006, and April 9, 2014, and equipped with an X-Mark Pro trigger.

QUOTE

over penetration on a missed shot is a possibility, it's one of those decisions to make on whether to take the shot and not miss.

you're betting years of your freedom on a local grand jury, you've got too much firepower for the situation.. my advice Dial 911. Inform them you have an intruder in your home and YOU ARE ARMED. Make sure someone stays on the line with 911.. inform the intruder you are armed - always give the intruder the option to flee - if you fire that weapon don't talk to the cops- get a lawyer you're in a world of
shit....any type of gunfight is a panic situation, misdirected shots from you or the intruder could take out a neighbor...

QUOTE

You don’t think the government wouldn’t come after our firearms? Idiots like you are the reason organizations like the NRA exist.

If the government wanted to take your firearms you couldn't stop them
with your AK, they'd roll a Bradley up to your front yard and cut you to pieces..
You NRA types are all the same "they're coming to get my guns"

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 27 2018,6:11 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 27 2018,5:46 am)

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you're betting years of your freedom on a local grand jury, you've got too much firepower for the situation.. my advice Dial 911. Inform them you have an intruder in your home and YOU ARE ARMED. Make sure someone stays on the line with 911.. inform the intruder you are armed - always give the intruder the option to flee - if you fire that weapon don't talk to the cops- get a lawyer you're in a world of
shit....any type of gunfight is a panic situation, misdirect shots from you or the intruder could take out a neighbor...

QUOTE

You don’t think the government wouldn’t come after our firearms? Idiots like you are the reason organizations like the NRA exist.

If the government want to take your firearms you couldn't stop them
with your AK they'd roll a Bradley up to your front yard and cut you to pieces..
You NRA types are all the same "they're coming to get my guns"

Yes, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away :sarcasm:

I like your little cartoon, too bad there are Nazi wannabes like Rep Slocum that prove it wrong.

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 27 2018,6:18 am

That call to 911 is crucial to your legal defense....it'll give your lawyer the opportunity to keep you out of prison, the 911 dispatcher is recording the call....

Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 27 2018,7:42 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 27 2018,5:46 am)

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You don’t think the government wouldn’t come after our firearms? Idiots like you are the reason organizations like the NRA exist.

No kidding. The average small-town police force could outgun the average gun nutter.

As I've pointed out, this has nothing to do with the original intent of the writer of the 2nd. If that were the case, you kooks would have taken up arms against the Obama Administration, the most corrupt one you'd seen, or so you said. If that kind of corruption, real or imagined, isn't enough to get you to think of some 2nd Amendment solution, what is?

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 27 2018,8:27 am

(Botto 82 @ Mar. 27 2018,7:42 am)

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No kidding. The average small-town police force could outgun the average gun nutter.

Yeah sure, keep thinking that :dunce:

Perhaps you’re like this idiot.

< https://www.google.com/amp....amp >

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 28 2018,5:01 am

And yet another snowflake squeeks.

< https://www.cbsnews.com/news....endment >

But please, if these anti Americans think they should end the 2nd just get 3/4 of the states to go along.

Good luck with that :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 28 2018,8:04 am

Fox News Poll: Voters favor gun measures, doubt Congress will act

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ct.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 28 2018,9:13 am

^^ yes, FOX has a few lib in the wood pile. But why was Slocun t’s bill canned?

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2018,9:28 am

Yes, they do want to take our guns.

< https://www.redstate.com/brandon....onsense >

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2018,5:26 am

And then we have this twit at it again.

< https://www.albertleatribune.com/2018....e-sense >

For Wayne,

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

He should read, even let his lips move as he does. Nowhere in this does it say anything about hunting.

Jeezus this guy's an idiot. :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2018,6:01 am

And it begins

< http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs....ry.html >

This one should go all the way to SCOTUS, should be a slam dunk when it gets there.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 18 2018,7:27 am

< https://www.google.com/amp....-2018-4 >

Sound business advice

Don’t be Dicks.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2018,7:40 am

< https://www.google.com/amp....ex.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2018,3:09 pm

< https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/politics/nra-oliver-north/index.html >

How about dem apples?

Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2018,6:56 am

< https://www.washingtonpost.com/news....b85ad30 >

Kind of blows a big hole in the assault weapon bullshit. :blush: