Topic: Obama acts stupidly
started by: MADDOG
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 24 2009,10:31 am
For the Commander in Chief to make a remark dissing the Cambridge Police Force when he admittingly stated he didn't have all the facts was a pure from the hip, I wasn't using my head reaction. Maybe he was taking a page from the Teddy Kennedy book? 
Funny how the topic of Obama playing the race card on national TV the other might when his objective was trying to convince an ever decreasing popularity of his health care reform policy hasn't played out here yet. It seems like the only people to continue to bring up race is Bam-Bam and his liberal followers. Reverend Wright taught him well.
Anyway, how does the President open his mouth so wide that he puts not only his own foot in his mouth, but the entire Democratic Party? Hasn't he learned the two simple words politicians need to say when they don't have all the facts? "No Comment. When asked if he and his family will use public health care, he dodges the question, but when given the opportunity to spew a racial epitaph he readily answers questions.
< The Smoking Gun > obviously has the Cambridge Police report on line. No one is talking about what Bam-Bam had to say about national health care reform, they're all talking about < Race v. Crowley >.
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Talk radio, cable TV, and the blogosphere have lit up over Obama vs. Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, and it has probably not done much for Obama’s standing among law enforcement.
In a gaggle with reporters on board Air Force One Thursday, press secretary Robert Gibbs fielded 13 questions about Obama’s remarks on Gates and racial profiling before a reporter asked about healthcare.
In a gaggle with reporters on board Air Force One Thursday, press secretary Robert Gibbs fielded 13 questions about Obama’s remarks on Gates and racial profiling before a reporter asked about healthcare.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. - Napoleon Bonaparte
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 24 2009,10:40 am
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but when given the opportunity to spew a racial epitaph he readily answers questions.
Before using a big word like "epitaph" you should probably know what it means.
Posted by bulldog on Jul. 24 2009,11:35 am
ITS AWAYS A RACE THING , WOULD THIS HAVE PLAYED OUT THE SAME IF IT WAS A COLORED POLICE. SOUNDS PRETTY CUT AND DRY, THE POLICE DID THE CORRECT THING. NEXT TIME WHEN IT IS SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY BREAKING IN HIS HOUSE ,THE COPS WONT GET CALLED AND HE CAN GET ROBBED
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 24 2009,11:50 am
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Before using a big word like "epitaph" you should probably know what it means.
Thought it would carry a little more clout. Comments like that should be buried.Sure enjoy that hymie emoticon. You must miss Jim.
Rev. Wright sure taught him well on how to use racial profiling to his advantage. Too bad he didn't research Sgt. Crowley a little before making a statement like that.
Obam-Bam is in essence, the head Police Chief of the country, yet the < FOP > condemns his statements.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2009,1:36 pm
(Liberal @ Jul. 24 2009,10:40 am)
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but when given the opportunity to spew a racial epitaph he readily answers questions.
Before using a big word like "epitaph" you should probably know what it means.
No kidding. What did Obama do? Call the cop a honky? Cracker? Whitey?
A racial epitaph (or epithet, if you prefer) is something like the N-word, and so on.
It's like Ralph Wiggum in school - "Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Keep throwing enough Republitard manure at the wall, guys. Something's bound to stick, sooner or later.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 24 2009,1:48 pm
Do you feel this way about the topic because you hate republitards or because you despise cops more? 
The way I see it, with what I know, is that the cop did his job. The subject made the first racial remark, was uncooperative, and Obummer flapped his gums before he had the whole story.
nuff said..
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 24 2009,2:10 pm
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama has called the white policeman who arrested black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. The president says he believes the sergeant to be an outstanding police officer.
The president said Friday that he continues to think both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates overreacted during the incident—but Obama also faulted his own comments.
Making an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama told reporters: "I could've calibrated those words differently."
The president said Friday that he continues to think both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates overreacted during the incident—but Obama also faulted his own comments.
Making an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama told reporters: "I could've calibrated those words differently."
Posted by bulldog on Jul. 24 2009,2:57 pm
yes in obamas little speach he makes it sound like the guy was being arrested for being in his own home, he failed to say how the owner got a little on the mouthy side with the police. no cop would put up with that from anyone. it sounds to me like mr pres is a little racist himself.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 24 2009,3:06 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jul. 24 2009,1:36 pm)
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A racial epitaph (or epithet, if you prefer) is something like the N-word, and so on.
Would references to Officer Crowley's mamma count?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 24 2009,3:18 pm
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 24 2009,2:10 pm)
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama has called the white policeman who arrested black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. The president says he believes the sergeant to be an outstanding police officer.
The president said Friday that he continues to think both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates overreacted during the incident—but Obama also faulted his own comments.
Making an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama told reporters: "I could've calibrated those words differently."
The president said Friday that he continues to think both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates overreacted during the incident—but Obama also faulted his own comments.
Making an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama told reporters: "I could've calibrated those words differently."
Was that his way of saying, "I fffff screwed up?
Posted by Pretzel Logic on Jul. 24 2009,3:33 pm
They say there is an audio tape of the whole affair. Wonder why they won't release it.Lets remove the race aspect from this for a moment.
If you disagree with a cop is it an automatic disorderly conduct arrest?
I can't tell a cop that I disagree with him without him going for the gun belt?
What happened to freedom of speech?
According to the reports the man proved it was his residence. At that point the officer should of said have a nice day and spun on his heel and walked.
If the man was truly disorderly, then why drop the charge?
I can sympathize with the difficulties of being a cop, but there are law abiding citizens who resent their intrusions on any level untill they need them.
Over reaction on both parts, probably, but of course the PD will never admit wrong doing. They would have the only evidence in which to clarify the situation and them not releasing it right away seems fishy. Prove your man was right and move on if it is the case.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 24 2009,6:43 pm
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Thought it would carry a little more clout. Comments like that should be buried.
. You must miss Jim.
. You must miss Jim.
Not as much as you and your cohorts of the Albert Lea Discussion Forum Coservative Coalition must miss him.
He usually does all of your fighting for you, when you're getting your butt handing to you.
And the rest of you just ride his coattails.
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Sure enjoy that hymie emoticon
That is all your own Lapdag.
Mr. Racial Epitaph.
Commie:
Lapdog:
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 24 2009,6:50 pm
I'm really reluctant to use those, dunce emoticons, as it seems the more you and Commie use them the more duncelike you both become. Which if you think about it neither of you two can really afford to go any further that direction.
You might want to reconsider the repeated lie compaign soley based on that reason alone.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2009,7:22 pm
(Pretzel Logic @ Jul. 24 2009,3:33 pm)
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If you disagree with a cop is it an automatic disorderly conduct arrest?
Yes, more and more.
Posted by Wareagle11B on Jul. 24 2009,10:08 pm
The police report and the follow up report from the 2nd officer on the scene, several of the officers who came on the scene during the altercation, all state that the officer did his job in the proper fashion.Professor Gates continued to harass the officer after he was leaving the scene. He followed the officer around yelling things such as "You don't know who you are messing with" and other statements that anyone else would have found intolerant under "normal" circumstances. Had the Professor just kept his mouth shut allowed the officer to do his job and leave with out the harassment this would not have become an issue for our rezident Idiot-in-Chief.
Instead of doing the right thing as someone of his position and status within the community he lives in Professor Gates has opted to make this into a racial issue and of course when there is race baiting going on the race baiting master himself,Al Sharpton, is right there to help fan the flames.
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,7:48 am
The cop probably assumed, the owner of the house was a white guy that had been knocked in the head for his wallet and Identification.After all what are the odds of 2 black guys breaking into a rich house in an elite neighborhood. Actually being in the right?
Posted by Wareagle11B on Jul. 25 2009,11:12 am
(Spock of Vulcan @ Jul. 25 2009,7:48 am)
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The cop probably assumed, the owner of the house was a white guy that had been knocked in the head for his wallet and Identification.
After all what are the odds of 2 black guys breaking into a rich house in an elite neighborhood. Actually being in the right?
After all what are the odds of 2 black guys breaking into a rich house in an elite neighborhood. Actually being in the right?
Officer Crowley was responding to a 9-11 call about a possible B & E. A person who works in the neighborhood called about what appeared to be 2 black males who appeared to be trying to force entry into a house in the neighborhood. The thing about that is that Professor Gates's house had actually had an attempted break in thats why it appeared he was trying to force the door. The door was messed up from the earlier attempt.
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,2:11 pm
Right, like I said, what are the odds?What would you think, if you saw 2 black guys forcing their way into a really nice house?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 25 2009,2:32 pm
(hymiebravo @ Jul. 24 2009,6:43 pm)
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Thought it would carry a little more clout. Comments like that should be buried.
. You must miss Jim.
. You must miss Jim.
Not as much as you and your cohorts of the Albert Lea Discussion Forum Coservative Coalition must miss him.
He usually does all of your fighting for you, when you're getting your butt handing to you.
And the rest of you just ride his coattails.
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Sure enjoy that hymie emoticon
That is all your own Lapdag.
Mr. Racial Epitaph.
Commie:
Lapdog:
Ha, I don't always read Jim's posts. Depend on the time I have when I'm breezing through them at work and I usually know the gist of them.
I have my own opinions thank you. Jim might sound in occasionally, but I really think he enjoys going toe to toe on national politics more than most here including me. There is no more coattails used here than Liberal is to you.
The racial thing.
I think it's pretty clear from Obama's statements the other day, than he has real problems with race. From the sounds of the reports in the papers and on TV, the only two that mentioned anything about race and discrimination were Gates and Obama. Most of America including me hadn't even heard about the incident until Bam-Bam brought it up and he's the one that cried "race." If he would have just said a Harvard professor was involved, it would have made a world of difference. He's the one who made it clear to America that we had a race problem. No one else.
He must have some real hatred built up inside him towards "white men" that he got from something or someone.
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,2:56 pm
Why pretend?Even the black cops are thinking the same thing. 2 black guys forcing their way into a rich house?
Why would you arrest someone for breaking in their own house, after they've shown you who they were?
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,2:59 pm
And why do they think that?Because the prisons are full of blacks about 10 to 1. For commiting such crimes.
A crime has just been commited, your presented with 2 possible suspects. A white guy and black guy, who do you put your money on?
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,3:05 pm
So, are blacks over senstive about this subject. Yeah probably, sort of like Italian americans are about the mafia.Was the black in this case, treated differently, then if he were white? Probably, but it's understandable, because a higher percent of the blacks are criminals. Just like a high percent of them have children out of wedlock all over the place.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 25 2009,3:05 pm
(Spock of Vulcan @ Jul. 25 2009,2:56 pm)
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Why pretend?
Even the black cops are thinking the same thing. 2 black guys forcing their way into a rich house?
Why would you arrest someone for breaking in their own house, after they've shown you who they were?
Even the black cops are thinking the same thing. 2 black guys forcing their way into a rich house?
Why would you arrest someone for breaking in their own house, after they've shown you who they were?
I thought he was arrested for disorderly, not Breaking and Entering?
Posted by Spock of Vulcan on Jul. 25 2009,3:07 pm
What disorderly conduct? Asking why the cop wanted to arrest him for no reason?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 25 2009,3:22 pm
(Spock of Vulcan @ Jul. 25 2009,3:05 pm)
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Was the black in this case, treated differently, then if he were white? Probably, but it's understandable, because a higher percent of the blacks are criminals. Just like a high percent of them have children out of wedlock all over the place.
That's an ugly truth that few want to embrace.
Black males comprise less than 8 percent of the total population, yet account for 70% of the violent crime in this country.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 25 2009,4:28 pm
The thing that bothers me about this isn't the race issue, or the police checking to make sure the guy was really the homeowner. The law against disorderly conduct was written so vague and broad that all of us have broken it at one time or another. Even many cops will admit that it's simply a "catch all" for people that they can't arrest for a real crime. Which is fine, until YOU'RE the one who an overzealous cop or prosecutor decides is "engaging in offensive or boisterous conduct or language that might arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others."I mean, for God's sake, read the MN statute on it as an example. You could be arrested for it and charged with a misdemeanor for simply complaining your steak was too rare, or getting angry at someone who's blocking your car.
< MN Statute 609.72 - Disorderly Conduct >
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The police report and the follow up report from the 2nd officer on the scene, several of the officers who came on the scene during the altercation, all state that the officer did his job in the proper fashion.
Hmm... Well, if the police report says they didn't do anything wrong, I guess they must not have.
Posted by Wareagle11B on Jul. 25 2009,4:47 pm
(irisheyes @ Jul. 25 2009,4:28 pm)
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The police report and the follow up report from the 2nd officer on the scene, several of the officers who came on the scene during the altercation, all state that the officer did his job in the proper fashion.
Hmm... Well, if the police report says they didn't do anything wrong, I guess they must not have.
LOL I used all of them together because I KNEW someone would do what you did I.E.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 25 2009,6:01 pm
^Yeah, I noticed you mentioned others, but either way, I doubt any of them would badmouth a coworker on their reports.
Posted by bianca on Jul. 26 2009,11:26 am
I think this whole story is so "small" in the scheme of things but.....at first when I read about this I thought Obama was "reeled in" to this question from the reporter and he ultimately "took the bait" IMO, he really should have stayed on the topic for which the press conference was intended.
But this is from a president, which we haven't had, that keeps the public "aware" of what is going on and continues to do this. Bush hid out anytime/everytime the crap hit the fan.
Obama said that he didn't have all the facts and what he said was common knowledge whether Obama is part black, all black or even white for that matter. The sad truth is that he is right on with his comment that right here in America, as far as it may seem that we may have progressed, you still have policemen and others that automatically jump to the conclusion that when a crime has been committed it's either a black, latino, and/or illegal immigrant whether Obama said it or Bush.
There's a deputy right in town that when he moved to Albert Lea and wasn't yet a deputy had told me that he was stopped many times and he readily admitted to being stopped just because of the color of his skin. This isn't rare and for those of you to choose to believe this doesn't happen need to take off your rose colored glasses.
IMO, The president didn't say anything that isn't true still today. He just shouldn't have taken the bait.
As far as the actual incident, I think both parties must've been having a "bad hair day."
The whole incident was nothing that doesn't happen everyday in any big city.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 26 2009,12:00 pm
We have a constitutional right to be free from seziure in our home. Obama has the right to free speech like all of us do.I think the police were STUPID for arresting a person at his home for no more than being pissed at strangers(police) with guns in his home.
I have the right to say get the fffk out of my house.
There are times when police need to take a hike along with their ego.
Posted by Mr.L(R-MN) on Jul. 26 2009,12:25 pm
Yeah, I'd agree he's getting good at apologizing for America, now, what about America?
Posted by bianca on Jul. 26 2009,1:18 pm
Associated Press[QUOTE]Gates Says Time to 'Move On' From ArrestBy RUSSELL CONTRERAS, AP
(July 26) -- Black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. says he's ready to move on from his arrest by a white police officer, hoping to use the encounter to improve fairness in the criminal justice system and saying "in the end, this is not about me at all."
After a phone call from President Barack Obama urging calm in the aftermath of his arrest last week, Gates said he would accept Obama's invitation to the White House for a beer with him and Cambridge police Sgt. James Crowley.
A Case of Racial Profiling?Frank Franklin II, AP7 photos Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., seen here Wednesday, accepted an offer by President Barack Obama to drink a friendly beer at the White House with the white officer who arrested him at his Cambridge, Mass., home. Gates said it's time to move on from the incident, which caused an uproar amid accusations of racial profiling.(Note: Please disable your pop-up blocker)
A Case of Racial Profiling?
Cambridge (Mass.) Police Sgt. James Crowley, seen speaking to reporters Wednesday, said he followed police procedure in arresting Harvard University Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. outside Gates' Cambridge home. "There will be no apology," he said.
Steven Senne, AP
Steven Senne, AP
In a statement posted Friday on The Root, a Web site Gates oversees, the scholar said he told Obama he'd be happy to meet with Crowley, whom Gates had accused of racial profiling.
"I told the president that my principal regret was that all of the attention paid to his deeply supportive remarks during his press conference had distracted attention from his health care initiative," Gates said. "I am pleased that he, too, is eager to use my experience as a teaching moment, and if meeting Sergeant Crowley for a beer with the president will further that end, then I would be happy to oblige."It was a marked change in tone for Gates, who in the days following his arrest gathered up his legal team and said he was contemplating a lawsuit. He even vowed to make a documentary on his arrest to tie into a larger project about racial profiling.
In an e-mail to the Boston Globe late Friday, he said: "It is time for all of us to move on, and to assess what we can learn from this experience."
In a statement to The Associated Press, Gates promised to do all he could so others could learn from his arrest.
"This could and should be a profound teaching moment in the history of race relations in America," Gates said. "I sincerely hope that the Cambridge police department will choose to work with me toward that goal."Gates, 58, did not say in his statement if he planned to file a lawsuit.
Crowley did not return a telephone message seeking comment Saturday.
The outcry began Monday, when word broke that Gates had been arrested five days earlier at the two-story home he rents from Harvard.
Supporters called the arrest an outrageous act of racial profiling. Public interest increased when a photograph surfaced of the handcuffed Gates being escorted off his porch amid three officers.
Cambridge police moved to drop the disorderly conduct charge on Tuesday — without apology, but calling the case "regrettable."Obama, who had said Cambridge police "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates, sought to tamp down the uproar Friday. He spoke to Crowley and Gates during separate telephone calls and declared that Crowley was a good man.
Obama invited the officer and the professor to the White House for a beer. He conceded his words had been ill-chosen, but he stopped short of a public apology.A trio of Massachusetts police unions released a joint statement shortly after Obama's latest comments, saying Crowley had a friendly and meaningful conversation with the president.
"We appreciate his sincere interest and willingness to reconsider his remarks about the Cambridge Police Department," according to the statement. "It is clear to us from this conversation, that the President respects police officers and the often difficult and dangerous situations we face on a daily basis."
Gates added that he hoped his arrest would lead to a greater understanding about racial profiling in America.
"If my experience leads to the lessening of the occurrence of racial profiling, then I would find that enormously gratifying," Gates said on The Root. "Because, in the end, this is not about me at all; it is about the creation of a society in which 'equal justice before law' is a lived reality.
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Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 27 2009,2:33 pm
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Thaddeus McCotter, a Republican congressman of Michigan, will introduce a resolution in the House tonight asking President Obama to formally < apologize > to the Cambridge Police Department.
< 911 tapes released >
Posted by Pretzel Logic on Jul. 27 2009,3:49 pm
I listened to the audio and could not hear anything that could warrant arrest. That does not mean something did not happen. From the video, he was already cuffed when he came out of the house so we could throw out the" he followed the cop out side making racial remarks to the officer" we will probably never know what went on inside, but obviously the guy with the gun and cuffs is always right.
Untill I see some other evidence that the man did something wrong, then yes I think it was handled stupidly.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 27 2009,3:58 pm
Flip it. Black cop, white professor. All you nuts would be all over the black cop. But in THIS case... in YOUR little minds it might be at least partly the black guys fault. You are so transparent as to be considered laughable.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 28 2009,2:08 pm
See? This is how white cops are treated in this country. Like crap. You're all racist.
Posted by mrugly on Oct. 29 2015,4:19 pm
Wonder how he will act in his last year of his presidency. Will he do anything good? Or will he do something that is not so good? I guess we will have to wait and see.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 29 2015,5:11 pm
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Will he do anything good? Or will he do something that is not so good?
Expat, want to hedge your bets on that one?
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 29 2015,5:22 pm
Trump was right about you Iowans and Monsanto
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 30 2015,12:40 am
Educating when these old posts are revived. Geez, just a few years back there was actually forum participation, diverse views and topics, discussion. It's gone from sustainable to mono-culture.More proof that today's congress reflects the public.