Topic: illegals
started by: cwolff
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 08 2004,5:38 pm
George W. Bush wants to give rights to illegals! Is that a oxymoron? If big buisnesses, such as the hog or beef slaughtering plants for example, would not continue to look the other way when they willfully hire illegals, then these blue collar job wages would not be so low. In other words, if there were no illegals, then wages would have to rise to attract employees, because otherwise there would be no one that would take these jobs at wages that do not even support a family. Without illegals, wages would rise high enough and be attractive enough for people to hire on to work for an honest living. I do not believe in the BS that wages have to be kept low enough to compete in the world market. Hell no wants to import our beef now, what world market? People have to eat and they will pay what ever it takes to eat. Get rid of the illegals, because it is the law, and it hurts wages.
Posted by Montyman on Jan. 15 2004,10:11 pm
All low wages do is to increase profits for the bigwigs.The bigs want to keep wages low.
Prices don't go down with low wages...when was the last time you saw that happen.
Posted by Old Timer on Jan. 16 2004,12:35 am
Back in 19-dickity-2.
Posted by minnow on Jan. 16 2004,12:53 am
"George W. Bush wants to give rights to illegals! Is that a oxymoron? "Do you even know what that is? I tell you what's a oxymoron...
It's morons like you who want spilled blood...hundreds of American lives and a trillion dollars to secure rights for Iraq citizens, while at the same time decrying this same government for wanting to give OTHER people rights!
That sir, is a oxymoron.
Posted by Goodyear Pimp on Jan. 16 2004,8:48 am
In either case, what should have happened is that if the people did not like their situation then rise up and change it! I don't care about the conditions of your homeland. It's called a Civil War. Try getting your hands dirty for what you believe in!We simply should have armed the Iraqi population (in the far north and south) who hated Saddam to begin with and let them take care of their own problems. Same with Mexico, if they don't like the way things are done there, then by all means they could change it. Instead we spend billions taking care of problems that others were too lazy to take care of themselves!
Posted by KODIAK on Jan. 16 2004,8:59 am
Wait a minute, weren't you the guy who seemed to have a problem with Iran-Contra yesterday? Now you want to subversively arm another country? I think each situation is unique, but I am trying to figure out your position Goodyear.
Posted by Goodyear Pimp on Jan. 16 2004,9:09 am
I did not have a problem in so much as what Iran-Contra was about, but that the administration of the time seemed to all share the same "I do not recall" that was pointed out about the clintons. All I was doing was pointing out that there are liars on both sides.
Posted by KODIAK on Jan. 16 2004,9:25 am
Gotcha, and I agree.
Posted by KODIAK on Jan. 16 2004,9:26 am
Problem with Ronnie though, was that it turns out he really did not remember....just kidding.
Posted by KODIAK on Jan. 16 2004,4:15 pm
Geez, sorry Cwolf, hope we didn't kill your thread with these stray thoughts. Its a good topic that deserves more input.
Posted by minnow on Jan. 16 2004,6:36 pm
Who's we?
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 16 2004,7:28 pm
Minnow, you are the one who gets the most negative comments directed at yourself more than anyone else on this whole forum, therefore you are the real moron. Dickhead! 
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 16 2004,7:34 pm
Minnow, sounds like to support giving rights to illegal immigrants?
Posted by minnow on Jan. 16 2004,8:15 pm
I believe in basic human rights....period.You're just upset because you're scared. Scared that uneducated dumb white males will have no job opportunities if Mexican citizens are made legal.
Uneducated white males have no opportunities regardless...
Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 16 2004,8:44 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Jan. 16 2004,8:15:pm) |
| Uneducated white males have no opportunities regardless... |
Is that why you still live with your mom?
Posted by minnow on Jan. 16 2004,9:00 pm
What did you say about my mama?
Posted by x-factor on Jan. 17 2004,12:38 am
Get over yourself Kip.You come into this board & preach which is fine, this is an opinion forum, you certainly are entitled to your opinion. As you know, most opinions are like a-holes: everyone has one & most stink.
The reason most put no stock in your comments are because you continue to berate others in this forum by claiming that you are so much better then them. You have called people raciest, drunk and uninformed. As you continue to talk your-perfect-self up, posters ask for proof and explanations on your claims, you have never shown anything.
Tell us o-wise-one:
1) How did you make all your millions you claim to have?
2) If you are so well off, why do you continue to live in this hell hole of an area?
3) Why should we put any faith in what you tell us, why should we believe anything you say?
I know your responses already.
1) None of your business OR do you think I would share this with someone like you?
2) Da minnow does what he wants when he wants, if he wants to move, he will, that is his business.
3) Because I am smarter then all of you combined.
Nothing new, nothing worth reading as usual from 'da minnow'
Posted by minnow on Jan. 17 2004,1:25 am
1. I never claimed that.2. Good question...cheap housing has something to do with it.
3. I don't care what you believe. I speak my mind, I speak the truth. Because I am da minnow.
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 17 2004,9:15 am
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| uneducated dumb white males |
Minnow, you could not have defined yourself any better!
Posted by Mel on Jan. 17 2004,10:00 am
| Quote (cwolff @ Jan. 17 2004,9:15:am) | ||
Minnow, you could not have defined yourself any better! |
Da Minnow
it says it all in just two letter
DA
Posted by GEOKARJO on Jan. 17 2004,11:01 am
Minnow I just want to say that I could never associate with a better class of losers.
Posted by guppie on Jan. 25 2004,8:32 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Jan. 16 2004,8:15:pm) |
| I believe in basic human rights....period. You're just upset because you're scared. Scared that uneducated dumb white males will have no job opportunities if Mexican citizens are made legal. Uneducated white males have no opportunities regardless... |
Mexicans citizens can already be made legal you silly sardine!
I think that people are mad that they can now come here and work without becoming citizens.
just keep swimming, just keep swimming...
Posted by cpu_slave on Jan. 30 2004,5:50 pm
| Quote |
| In either case, what should have happened is that if the people did not like their situation then rise up and change it! I don't care about the conditions of your homeland. It's called a Civil War. Try getting your hands dirty for what you believe in! We simply should have armed the Iraqi population (in the far north and south) who hated Saddam to begin with and let them take care of their own problems. Same with Mexico, if they don't like the way things are done there, then by all means they could change it. Instead we spend billions taking care of problems that others were too lazy to take care of themselves! |
I couldn't have said it any better.
One added note here, while unemployment is still considered high and jobs are paying so crappy that many have to take two or more of them just to survive, then what makes anyone think that flooding the market with more employees is going to do some good? Especially flooding a market with employees willing to work for extremely low wages.
Minnow, you constantly throw out the argument that competition among retail is ultimately best for the consumer, but if you look at this argument with the same view, wouldn't that mean the only winners from an overly abundant low-wage immigrant workforce would be business? After all, competition drives down prices, and in this case it would be wages.
Unless things change to where any person who wants a decent paying job can find one, where do you think this economy is ultimately going to end up?
Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 30 2004,10:13 pm
On the statement by Goodyear Pimp. That's a good plan, if its possible, thats what the C.I.A. did in Afganistan, but it wasn't possible in Iraq. They approached it like that at first, but it wouldn't work. I can understand people being against the war in Iraq, but I think if we're going to support the people to take back their country, we have to see it thru, even if that means useing our military to do it. Otherwise, we'd be setting them up for failure.
Posted by Montyman on Jan. 30 2004,10:48 pm
We must stay in Iraq to finish what we hopefully started. That is to give the people of Iraq a chance to become part of the world, not as we know it, but to become their own part of the world. We went to Iraq because we knew we could send a dedicated professional armed force that would succeed in reaching Bagdad in a few short weeks. Now the real task of letting those people become themselves is at hand. I don't think we took back their country for them, but rather found a disorganized people, governed by a brutal regime that we could easily defeat. We need to start somewhere to let the terrorist world know that we will not sit back and let them continue the way that they have been doing things for the last 20+ years (i. e. Beirut-1982). Giving the Iraqis an opportunity to show that they can improve their lot, when they are in the center of the arab world, is of the utmost importance. Only then will the Bin-Laden ideals be crushed.
Posted by minnow on Jan. 30 2004,10:55 pm
You honestly don't really have a clue do you?There's no way out of this mess without losing face or becoming an occupying force. They only want to be liberated from us.
Don't you see? They're brothers...they may fight amongst themselves for power, but they'll BOTH fight us to get the hell out!
This war was a very serious error. It's like some kids threw a brick through our windshield, so we scope the neighborhood in a rage looking for the culprits and when we can't find them, we take it out on someone who looks like them and made us mad 12 years ago....
A very dumb reaction egged on by diliberate lies. But I remained strong. I kept my head above the crowd and realized the WMD hype. Needless to say I was CRUCIFIED by this crowd as unpatriotic. Now you all can see who was the TRUE patriot afterall. Because I loved my country the most, I could see through the BS.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Jan. 30 2004,11:05 pm
minnow, you sound like you have been drinking too much Jesus juice tonight.
Posted by Montyman on Jan. 30 2004,11:10 pm
I don't give a rip if Saddam had nuclear plungers, for Allah's sake!You may disagree, mr. fish, but I firmly believe that if we do this Iraq thing the right way, we will give the Arabs an example of how they can truly become a part of the rest of the world, and not just a gas station.
India has the same religious beliefs, and they are a big part of this world.
If we can help the iraqis make something they are proud of, the rest of the Arabs will take a look.
Libya sure woke up in a big hurry after we said no to Saddam (even if he didn't have WMD's), and Libya has the nuclear plungers, don't they?
Of course I respect you opinion---so respect mine.
Posted by minnow on Jan. 30 2004,11:27 pm
"If we can help the iraqis make something they are proud of, the rest of the Arabs will take a look."---->I mean what does that gibberish even mean? It's nonsense.
We didn't do anything except feed the war machine and spend ourselves silly. We've shown ourselves to be dumb and reactionary. We lost 3500 lives in NYC, then gave ourselves a 500 life chaser. 500...that's the number of lives we've wasted chasing a nonexistent boogie man.
Pssst...over here...Saddam didn't do 9/11.
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 31 2004,11:56 am
Minnow, maybe you just do not like your U.S. freedom! Why don't you just move somewhere else like France. I think you could easily be taken up by and eaten up by the frogs. No pun intended! You dickhead! Your crying about 500 dead for the sake of freedom, which is not a lot considering we lost an average of about 100 soldiers per week for seven straight years during Vietnam. Over 58 thousand Americans lost their lives and over $150 billion was spent during Vietnam, so Minnow's fat ass can be free to say what he wants and do what he wants, so if you do not like it then move out of the country dickhead! You just do not appreciate what the armed forces of the United States of America does for you each and every day!
Posted by minnow on Jan. 31 2004,12:09 pm
Both of those wars had nothing to do with the freedoms I have had. Nothing.Vietnam couldn't have helped me because we LOST!
This Iraq war is costing me my freedom, yours too...where have you been...are you nuts!?
You've been duped, bamboozled, hoodwinked and are just to stupid to realize it.
Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 31 2004,12:20 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Jan. 30 2004,10:55:pm) |
| But I remained strong. I kept my head above the crowd and realized the WMD hype. Needless to say I was CRUCIFIED by this crowd as unpatriotic. Now you all can see who was the TRUE patriot afterall. |
Here we go again... "Minnow the martyr"?!!
Every thread we go thru the same thing, "minnow the hero", "minnow the patriot"...
Posted by minnow on Jan. 31 2004,12:32 pm
And......scene!Cut. Print.
Posted by Guest on Jan. 31 2004,1:04 pm
Get a life minnow. You and hoser are a couple of f-cking idiots.
Posted by cwolff on Jan. 31 2004,2:06 pm
Oh no! Minnows gone mad! Attention ladies and gentlemen, we have a conflict alert, Minnow, the bottom feeder, is in full meltdown!
Posted by guppie on Feb. 03 2004,8:15 pm
minnow's a moron, minnow's a moron...
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 07 2004,9:54 am
I'd like to make a point concerning the original topic of the thread here (non-documented workers from other countries, if you lost track). cwolff, you brought up the point of industries in which many of these people work. So... who among us is willing to work in a slaughterhouse or processing factory? Some of us... but not nearly enough to cover the needs of that particular industry. I agree that the wages paid to the non-documented immigrants are deplorable, as well as the conditions in many of the industries where they find work. This has been going on since immigration to the US started, and you can find hundreds of cases just by looking for them - the Triangle Shirtwaist Company fire in NYC, for example... or Asian immigrants who were worked to death on the railroads out west.
Fact of the matter is, this country lives and thrives on "illegals" in the workforce. It has for a long time. Many of them take jobs that no one would otherwise take so they can support their families. I would much rather have a documentation program available for these individuals than read more stories like those about the coyotes, or people traffickers, who pack people searching for a better life into boxcars and semis and then dump them out and rent them out to employers (if they haven't starved or suffocated on the way, that is). To me, it's a basic issue of human rights.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 07 2004,10:04 am
Et une chose de plus... les français sont très reconnaissants de l'aide américain qu'ils ont réçu pendant la deuxième guerre mondiale. Peut-être si vous feriez l'effort de faire la connaissance d'un Français ou une Française, vous verriez le monde d'un côté différent.
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Feb. 07 2004,10:27 am
One of the biggest reasons for there being so many jobs that Americans will not take is the plain fact that companies do not want to pay a livable wage. Why pay employees a better wage when companies could be keeping more for profit instead? Can anyone here say greed?Has anyone here tried supporting a family on $6 or $7 per hour? I have, and it is not possible without supplementing your income with an additional job, and if you are staying around here, then it will be equal to or less pay than your primary job. So in essence, if you are relying on the local economy and businesses to support your family, you had better be ready to have a minimum of 3 paychecks coming in for a family of 3 or 4 if you wish to actually live, not only survive. Sure am glad Pam and Sparks have done soooooo much to get so many new businesses to locate here.
It's just a big circle that once people get caught in it, it's almost impossible to get out; almost.
Posted by Madd Max on Feb. 07 2004,12:24 pm
| Quote (Ole1kanobe @ Feb. 07 2004,10:27:am) |
| Sure am glad Pam and Sparks have done soooooo much to get so many new businesses to locate here. |
Ole1kanobe
Good post I can't agree more.
So Pam and Sparks Where are all the Jobs! I see jobs leaving but not much coming here. We even have a Tax free zone to help bring jobs here. How many jobs has that brought to Albert Lea? 7 or 8 with only 2 employees being hired from the Albert Lea area. You know what happens to retirement communities, they die out.
Posted by cwolff on Feb. 07 2004,12:37 pm
Clovis, conglomorates such as Con Agra, which owns the hog slaughtering plant in Worthington, had a net profit, which of course is after expenses, of between 3 and 4 billion dollars during the last decade. Con Agra of course owns more than just slaughtering plants, but my point is that they can afford to pay higher wages, but why should they if illegal immigrants are willing to work for wages that do not support a family. When I say support a family, I do not mean relying heavily on govermental programs, no health, life, auto, disability, home, or other insurance, no investing for retirement, no 15 people living in a house, nor do I mean anything else which would hinder someone earning poverty wages.You said to you its a basic issue of human rights, well what do you think I am talking about?
There are several reasons for people to not want these types of jobs, but the biggest reason is that our own local, county, state and federal government stands by and watches these conglomerates change names every 19 or so years so they can start the wage scale over at poverty wages and do not have to pay out any retirements. And people who have put in 19 years of service have to start their years of service over again.
At Worthington, the hog slaughtering plant used to be called Armours and wages were starting to creep up pretty descent, but then the name changed to Monfort and now it is called Swift & Company. Each time the name changed the wage scale changed and started over at poverty wages. Guess who owns these companies? Governmental agencies sure knows who owns these companies, but they continue to look the other way and ignore the problem.
Government knows there are illegal immigrants working at these plants, but they do as little as possible to stop it.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 07 2004,12:56 pm
Corporate conglomerates are far too prevalent in today's world, agreed. Wal-Mart is the death of most independent retailers, as has been cited so many times in so many places. Anyway. I think you're right too - companies being bought and sold, and the consequences of that, are a major factor in the wage/benefits problem. Why keep fighting if your company's just going to be bought out and take you down to square one? HOWEVER - I think that part of that problem is just being fueled by Americans' passivity and indifference. So, because people are walking off and giving up on fighting the corporations, the corporations play on the desires of people who are desperate for a better job and better lives.
Illegal immigrants, are NOT generally here to make problems. They are seeking something that's not available in their home countries, no matter the personal cost. They are willing to put up with the corners that get cut safety-wise - maybe because back home, safety standards don't exist and they don't know any better. They are willing to put up with the poor wages that companies offer to them - because it's more than they could earn back home as an uneducated worker. The reason they don't pursue insurance and investing and better living conditions is because they're not making enough to live above the survival level. BUT - the survival level in the US is better than the survival level in MANY, MANY other countries. At least they're fed and clothed adequately!
The government does need to go back and re-examine its anti-trust and corporation laws from the turn of the century - it's starting to look a lot like America's "Gilded Age" again.
Until that happens, we have to face the problem of how to support the consumer-driven life that we as Americans have chosen... which includes the fact that we want the goods but not to work in messy and unsafe conditions to earn the goods - in general, we don't want to know that illegal immigrants are there and providing the basics of our comfy lifestyle.
Posted by cwolff on Feb. 07 2004,1:09 pm
Clovis, I did not mean that the company gets sold from time to time, but I mean that the same conglomerate is allowed to change names, so they can take away from and keep workers in poverty all for the almighty bottom line.I think that it is great that others can move to the U.S. for a better life, but I think it should be done legally and the jobs they choose to work should be humane and the wages will support a family, but not in poverty.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 07 2004,1:11 pm
My point in all that, I guess, is that if you want something to change, get out there and treat the problem, not the symptoms. The problem is that corporations get away with bloody murder when it comes to denying living wages and messing with the lives of loyal employees... and people feel powerless to take the corporations on. The symptoms that make this problem visible include the fact that many illegal workers are hired to fill the gaps in manpower. So it's time for us to go back and take a government class, and then call upon elected officials to investigate and strive for change, not rant and rave against illegal workers.
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 07 2004,1:17 pm
cwolff - we had an overlap in postings. Your last post stated your position more clearly than the one I responded to first. I agree with your post of 13:09. Bush's plan (getting back to your original post in this thread) isn't going to change enough for undocumented workers - it doesn't give them any help in becoming citizens and thus leaves them up for continuing to be steamrolled by the corporations.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 09 2004,11:42 am
Oh yes...the big bad corporation is the enemy...LOLThe corporations you're crying that don't move off shore. No business owes you or any other white trash a blue collar job.
Want to earn a living earn a skill....oh I see...you gots no skills...tough turkey!
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 09 2004,4:52 pm
Excuse me, Minnow. If you have something productive to say, then go ahead. However, if all you're going to do is go trolling and name-calling, then please go find yourself another forum in which to do it.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 09 2004,5:11 pm
It's all about skills. You've got to love something or be passionate enough about something to learn to be one of the best at it. You must be able to do something that not very many others can do as well. If you can do this----->the money will follow. I was poor for 10 years learning my skills. After an incredible amount of work, patience and dedication my skills became so good I'm now one of the best in the world at what I do. I make about $14,000 per month now and plan on doubling that in 2 years.
I know for a fact that never would have happened had I just worked for the money. I would have given up before I struck gold. I know this...
Posted by Clovis on Feb. 09 2004,5:29 pm
Impressive, then. Thank you for making a civil post explaining your position on this issue. The reason that I stated that big corporations are bad is that they're destroying hundreds of independent business owners in the process of their expansion. I'd rather enjoy visiting 4 or 5 different businesses where I know the owners and clerks, instead of visiting Wal-Mart *gag* I would argue that skills are increasingly needed to make a living wage and to ensure one's advancement and a thriving business. Not that you absolutely need skills for the workplace - janitors, for example? They specialize in tasks, yes, but you need no particular skills to be a janitor.
And skills/knowledge/expertise, on the other hand, do not guarantee big bucks. I'll put teaching out there as an example.
Posted by Montyman on Feb. 09 2004,10:14 pm
Minnow, do you teach 'vaporizing' classes at the Minnesota zoo?
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 10 2004,9:53 am
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| It's all about skills. You've got to love something or be passionate enough about something to learn to be one of the best at it. You must be able to do something that not very many others can do as well. |
Perhaps it’s the liberal in me talking when I say that not everyone can be the best or that it would make everyone the same, would it not? Besides, there is a whole host of people who want to work but don’t necessarily have the skills or the cash to start their own businesses, and would rather have the stability that comes from working for a company, especially one that has been around a long time. I guessing that since minnow is an advocate of cheap immigration labor that he has no problem with his tax bill going up to pay to support those who are working jobs so crappy that they still qualify for state welfare benefits. As more businesses use tax loopholes and incentives to avoid paying their fair share of the tax bill, the result is that the individual taxpayers are now having to pick up more and more of the slack. I predict that unless there are changes made in the next few years we can realistically see tax increases from the current 20%-30% to more like 35%-45% easily, as those who are fortunate enough to be working will have to also support about 1-2 people who can not through social welfare programs.
Currently, there is an over-abundance of cheap labor which is driving wages down for those who chose to work for a living, and this is happening to virtually every sector of business, except ironically enough government and healthcare. Unfortunately, in the blue collar world for decades and now in the white collar world as well, it is getting to be not so much of a matter of how good you are, only how cheap it can be done. I know several individuals who know their stuff and should be at the tops of their fields, only to watch their jobs go overseas where it can be done cheaper to make their companies owners a better profit. In many once-good-paying fields, they are now saturated with so many qualified workers competing for a small number of jobs that wages are rapidly falling. There wont be much of a service economy around if no one can afford the services, and some just can not grasp this concept...
Posted by minnow on Feb. 10 2004,11:02 am
The era of the dumb factory worker is coming to an end. Either learn to swim or sink...
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 10 2004,4:03 pm
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| The era of the dumb factory worker is coming to an end. Either learn to swim or sink... |
Well, since there seems to be a rampant epidemic of stupid people, those of us who are fortunate enough to have a job will be sinking with the high taxes so the state can take care of those to 'dumb' to take care of themselves!
Besides, it's not just the factory work going over seas but I guess that fact would do little to support your argument.
Again, there wont be much of a service economy around if no one can afford the services, and obviously you can not wrap your dense mind around this...
Posted by minnow on Feb. 10 2004,4:25 pm
Oh yes...you're sinking because of high taxes and of course poor people are getting all thos taxes... Gong!
Next act...
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 10 2004,4:35 pm
You really need to head on down to the library and brush up on your ignorance! Getting you to stick to subjects and adress issues is about as likely as getting a major employer opening up in Albert Lea, but I guess some people still hope...
Posted by cwolff on Feb. 11 2004,4:45 pm
Today Daimler Chrysler Motors announced that they will be moving a frame building department to Mexico from Detroit because of high labor costs along with 500 jobs. Lets see, employees get a 3-4 % pay and benefit raise every year and car prices go up 9-10% and more every year. Sounds to me like the conglomorates just want more and more and more profit, and when they have a bad year they want the federal government to bail them out. The government is glad to hand over millions of dollars to the auto industry during a recession, but look the other way when they want to send jobs across the border or over seas. Made in America doesn't necessarily mean it any more!
Posted by cpu_slave on Feb. 11 2004,6:19 pm
I'm all for a boycott of companies who outsource. It won't do any good because Americans are spineless consumers with the personal restraint of Ted Kenedy. Let's face it, if someone has to go without somthing as trivial as their favorite ice cream flavor then they could not do it. Lou Dobbs is making a list. Its called < 'Exporting America' >. He's taking names and kick Ass.
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 11 2004,6:26 pm
More & more money doesn't always mean more & more profit. The auto companies are spending billions (with a B) in research & developement of alternatively fueled vehicles. The government puts pressure on them to meet more strict environmental standards, but also laws for more advanced technology with computers & diagnostic equipment on current cars. This doesn't come cheap.I'd have to agree with you cpu_slave. Theirs plenty of people that have learned a valuable skill, but often they get done with college, look around for work in that field, and end up taking a job at a factory or a nurseing home. If manual labor fades out, then a minimum wage job bagging grocerys or working fast-food jobs, or in this town, they may be stuck with that regardless.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 11 2004,6:38 pm
College does NOT equal skill. College is a place you go to to read books, get tested over them and then spend all the rest of your time getting drunk and trying to get laid.College has little if anything to do with my skills...and boy do I gots skilz!
I'm looking at the top 5 highest priced homes for sale in the area right now.
Posted by cwolff on Feb. 11 2004,6:50 pm
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| The auto companies are spending billions (with a B) in research & developement of alternatively fueled vehicles. |
The auto industry is snowballing the American public by making them think they are working on ways to improve gas mileage both with and without alternatively fueled vehicles. The hundred miles to a gallon car engine has already been invented a long time ago, but do you really think that the auto and fuel industries will let that car on the market? Hell no! They want you to regularly pay at the pump to fuel their bottom line.
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 11 2004,7:01 pm
Looking, thats the key word their. I was looking at Bentley's on ebay a couple days ago, doesn't mean I'm getting one. To all the users reading this, you have about as much chance seeing minnow get a mansion, as you do seeing me driving around Albert Lea in a Bentley.
Posted by chicken_knows_all on Mar. 04 2004,9:18 am
Yeah and if there were no illegals we wouldnt have to give our hard earned money to those pieces of craps because they are to poor and need to be on welfare. So i think we should just get rid of every single on of them even if it means putting them on boat and shipping them out to sea.
Posted by MrTarzan on Mar. 04 2004,6:18 pm
We don't just kill people by setting them adrift chicken_knows_all. But I am with you on stopping it. It is possible. It is also possible to find them.