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Topic: Woodside playing Div.1 basketball
started by: Guru

Posted by Guru on Oct. 26 2003,5:27 pm

Ben Woodside just verbally committed to play basketball at North Dakota State University. If the school stayed Division II, he might have been decent for them in a couple years, but now that they are going Division I, he is in over his head. I have watched him play. He is quick, and can dribble decently, but he really needs to improve on his defense (staying low and off the ball help are the main two areas a point guard will need to excel at, he isn't near that level yet). One part of his game that can use a couple hundred hours of off-season work to improve is his jump shot. A couple hundred hours sound like too much? Not if he wants to make an impact within a couple years. It is too inconsistent now for him to make a difference at the top level. At Div. II, he could have become a very solid player with the one-on-one work with coaches, but I see the higher level of play being over his head. It is tough to get better without seeing playing time, and I don't anticipate him seeing a lot unless he put in a lot of time this summer. Woodside, I wish you the best of luck. You are a good basketball player, but at the level you wish to play at, you will need it. Those boys who play Div. I don't mess around. They play for keeps. Good Luck Woody.

Posted by minnow on Oct. 26 2003,9:00 pm

Huh? Who is he and why would I possibly care.

It's all about me and how much money I can make. Not about how much bling someone else can get.

Posted by shaker on Oct. 26 2003,11:44 pm

Guru, this guy is good, but I agree that it is going to be a tough road to go for him, I feel he needs to hit the weight room hard and I think that they will red shirt him the first year, your rite div. 1 is tough and I think this kid has got what it takes, wish him well.

Posted by The Advocate on Oct. 31 2003,3:12 pm

Do you recall that Lindsey Whalen of the Ladies Golden Gophers was not tauted nationally or even regionally. During her sophomore year she was not only Big Ten Female Player Of The Year she was National Female Player Of The Year. In Division I ashe was able to play with the level of competition that brought out the best in her and Woodside will do the same. He is a natural athlete and will only get better as time goes on. Come on, he is the best basketball player Albert Lea has ever had. Our teams have been dismal but he has brought life back to this sport here. I only wish him the very best and know he will do very well in D-I

Posted by Tiger on Oct. 31 2003,3:33 pm

He needs to hit the weights and put on some muscle to be able to play with the big boys. Just because he is a huge fish in a tiny pond doesn't mean squat. However, I too wish him the best and hopefully he can prove all his critics wrong.

Posted by Tiger on Oct. 31 2003,3:33 pm

Posted by hoosier on Oct. 31 2003,4:21 pm

Just because he is in div. 1 doesnt mean he will be with the socalled big boys. N.D. State, last time I looked wasnt exactly a basketball powerhouse. When and if his team compete against bigger schools like the ones in the big ten, pac ten, big twelve, acc, big east, sec, the whole ND team will be in over their heads. I grew up in Indiana, have you guys heard of Valpo? Valporaiso University. Very small religious school in northern Indiana, made the ncaa's the last few years, even had a good run in the ncaa's. Anyway, they still play smaller schools just like they are, they do get invites to play the big boys now and then, but they are expected to lose. 90 percent of the time the competition he plays against will be no different than if ND hadnt changed to div. 1. The thing about div. 1 though is that he wont be expected to be and do everything. If he finds his role on the team and does it well, he will do ok.

Posted by The Advocate on Oct. 31 2003,9:56 pm

I have to laugh when I hear you say he's just a "Big fish in a little pond". Very interesting. If I can be so bold I would like to relay a story similar to this, but having to do with academics. My oldest daughter was attending the University Of North Dakota in Grand Forks and was in competition for a prestigious internship at a world embassy. She was at first pretty intimidated and even had decided she didn't have a chance. You see she was an excellent student there but would be competing with students from Harvard, Yale, Notre Dame etc. Long story short, she applied and was given a post at the Embassy in Stockholm beating out students from the above named universities. A professor of hers had encouraged her stating that she was "A big fish in a little pond but she too was meant to do great things" And she has. A most valuable and life altering experience she met with Kings, Queens, Ambassadors, Senators, Congressman, Statesman from around the world. All things in life are truly relative. If we do the very best we are capable of great things will happen. And they have. Our local boy will make us proud!

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 01 2003,9:08 am

Congrats to your daughter advocate!!! I hope he does prove his critcs wrong like I said before. It is always fun to see the "underdog" succeed. Albert Lea basketbal has never been good. Albert Lea sports as a whole have never been outstanding. Is it because we don't have athletes among us? NO!! I think the coaching and philosophy the school has behind sports is distorted. We have had many great athletes in the past years but for some reason we can't ever put together a championship team. Politics play a huge role in athletics in Albert Lea and I think that plays a huge role. Parents need to step back and let coaches coach as they see fit. And coaches need to have discipline for the athletes. I played sports here in high school and the structure in the programs was lacking. You look at Roch Mayo, Mankato East etc. They have weight programs and grueling practices. The kids are focused during the season and in the off season and it shows with championship banners. Sorry I got off the subject a bit. But I think AL athletes are getting the short end of the stick.

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 01 2003,9:40 am

I agree Tiger, you know something is wrong with your sports program when a loser like Cunningham can keep his job as long as he did without even winning a game. A lot of kids went through hell in their high school football career because this idiot couldnt coach, and most of the boys didnt want to play for him. He was the greatest thing to ever happen to the boys soccer program. You dont just stand by and let someone like Cunningham destroy the whole football program. When he could barely get the numbers of kids to come out to make a team, someone in power should have done something. It just seemed in this case, it was more about the coach than it was doing what was best for the kids and the program.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 01 2003,10:15 am

Studies have shown that kids in sports do better in the classroom and don't get into as much trouble. Our school district needs to look at these studies and find a solution to the dismal efforts of our athletic programs. Why would any kids want to go out for a sport, work their tails off just to have a losing season?

Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2003,12:59 pm

I agree we gave our kids a state of the art school with a sports dept. and failed to give them the proper coaching staff to direct them.

Posted by shaker on Nov. 01 2003,2:13 pm

Albert Lea has had a very good swim coach, Jon Schmitz, his teams have always been at the top of the big 9 and have done well in state meets, about the only teams they can't handle are from the metropolitan area.

Posted by just looking on Nov. 01 2003,5:02 pm

I have heard to often a young person say - I don't go out for "Football", "basketball", etc... because I don't have the right last name. Coaches need to learn that it's not the name of the athlete that makes them a good athlete it is the desire to be a good athlete with the right coach (encouragement) that will make them good, develop these players from early age and on the younger teams give them all playing time to develop, the 7,8,9th grade superstar may move, change there mind, get a job, have bad grades, etc... so develop all of the players you may be suprised to see the uncoordinated youth that has desire become the SUPERSTAR. As far as I'm concerned it isn't about winning/losing until you play varsity... then you play to win.

Posted by The advocate on Nov. 01 2003,9:16 pm

My youngest daughter played basketball from 6th grade on and was arguably the worst player on the team. The team started with some 40 students in those early years all at varying degrees of ability. She wanted to quit, at one point, but we encouraged her to hang in there, and she did. Year after year, she sat on the bench, but because of her dedication to the sport she remained one of only 4 seniors left of the original 40 and was made captain. I watched my daughter mature not in the spotlight of the basketball court but as the quiet, nurturing, studious captain that lead by example. Senior awards night arrived and the Athletic Director thanked me as a parent and congratulated her as a student for helping that team go the farthest they had ever gone in school history. He told me "The team would not have been the same without her". Years later while attending a scholarship awards program at her college, a highly tauted professor sought me out to shake my hand while thanking me for allowing my child to attend their college, because it had been a priviledge for him to have her as his student . Not every child is given athletic ability but every child is given some talent to share with others. The leadership abilities that she learned while sitting on that bench inspired others then as well as today. (And oh ya , I can tell you this, we are John Q Nobodys with the wrong last name!)

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2003,8:21 am

Just looking, couldnt agree more. Athletics was one of the reasons I open enrolled my son in Glenville Emmons 3 years ago when he was in 7th grade, now a freshman. They have what they call an equal playing time policy that says in all sports all the way up until you get to varsity, everyone gets pretty much the same playing time. Varsity does not have that rule, although no one is ever cut from the team because of ability. In Glenville Emmons, in my sons class as a 7th grader, they had a kid that was way beyond the others talent wise, he and his father refused to let him play with the other 7th graders, same in 8th grade. Problem is, in a small district like GE, you look at the 7th grade team and you are pretty much looking at the future varsity also. When they are seniors, this kid that didnt want to play with the others is going to have no choice but to have these kids for teammates. If he and his father want to have a good team in high school you have to give every kid at a younger age a chance to play and develope, and they have, without this superstar on the team they have shown big improvement every year. One kid went from being one of the worst in 7th grade to one of the best in 8th grade.
Lets not forget that Michael Jordan got cut from his junior high basketball team. At that age, like Just Looking said, you have to give them all playing time, you just dont know at that age what you are going to have by time they are seniors. I think AL's problem is the coach, most of them are only in it for the victory, some of these idiots think they are going to become big time coaches someday.

Posted by rosebudinal on Nov. 02 2003,10:36 pm

Advocate, raising your daughter with the values that you did, you will Never be a nobody and neither will she.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 03 2003,8:46 am

I agree with equal playing time at young ages, however if you have an athlete that is far above the talents of others the same age age, why is it fair to not challenge this individual. I think if you have someone in 8th, 9th grade that plays like juniors or seniors they should have the oppurtunity to play with them. It is not right to hold someone back just so others their age have time to progress to the same level.

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 03 2003,10:29 am

I agree with that Tiger, I'm not saying that kid shouldnt be able to compete with the older kids, but you need to give the others a chance to develope at the same time. In the case I am talking about, it was better for the other kids that the superstar moved up a level, it made them play more like a team, everyone was involved, not just the one kid that was more talented than the others. My point was, that when these kids become juniors and seniors, that superstar better hope that the others have gotten some good playing time, because at that point he has no choice if they are his teammates or not. But in this case also, it has demoralized the rest of the team, the superstar thinks he is to good to play with the other kids, in high school he is going to have to depend on these same kids if he hopes to have a good season. As a team, that is, he can have a great season individualy, but what does it really mean if the team didnt? A leader and a superstars job isnt just scoring, rebounding, and defense, he should be able to make others around him better also. My worry is that by time these kids a seniors the team will be so split it wont be able to funtion.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 03 2003,11:30 am

It sounds to me that his parents have a lot to do with his "attitude" of superstardom. I was moved and started in two sports. My friends cheered my on and thought it was great. Therefore we were still a team when we were all at the varsity level. My parents helped keep me grounded. I tried to keep the "cockiness" to a minimum and show confidence on and off the floor. This specific individual, especially at such a young age needs to have his parents discipline and they should not be encouraging this kind of behavior.

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 03 2003,2:01 pm

Nice post Tiger, in the case I am speaking of, the parents are a big part of the problem. The father once tried to get a coach fired because his son didnt play the whole game. Said they were teaching the kids to be losers. They did lose most of their games, but they did it as a team, they will win as a team also, if that day ever comes, LOL.

Posted by The Advocate on Nov. 04 2003,7:12 pm

Thank you Rosebudinal for your kind words. I just love writing on this forum because of the people on it.

Posted by danfredrickson on Nov. 05 2003,12:03 pm

Hello, my name is Dan Fredrickson, I'm the Head Boys Basketball Coach at Glenviile-Emmons and I would like to address some of these issues. Specifically in regards to "hoosier." I know the kid you are talking about when you refer to the 7th grader who you say "didn't want to play with his teammates in junior high." And if your going to spout off like you know something then get your facts straight. I brought this young man up to play B-Squad last season, he impressed me so much that he started to get playing time on the varsity. One varsity game he made 5 3 ptrs., and scored 19 pts as an 8th grader playing against a 6-4 senior, regarded as the 2nd best player in our conference. This kid can play. And he was brought up because of his talent, not because of his name. This young man played half of the B-squad games and half of the varsity games last season, he was still 2nd in scoring and 2nd in rebounding on a talented B-Squad team that went 17-1. Regarding that incident in 7th grade when you say "this young man refused to play with his teammates", this incident simply did not occur. He did play the majority of the season with his his 7th grade teammates, before the 8th grade coach (The Superintendent, and biggest advocate for equal playing time at ALL levels) brought this player up to play on his struggling 8th grade team. And he did so without contacting this young man's parents. So get you facts staight before you crucify this fine young man (a freshman), on this pathetic website!!!! I've coached this young player for 2 years now, and his character is intact, he is one of the finest young men I've ever been in contact with, a coach's DREAM! He is the consumate TEAM player, a tireless worker, very DRIVEN, and an excellent role model for his peers. I've brought players up to my B-squad teams on 3 different occasions, and on each occasion I contacted the players parents first trying to find out if that would be the right situation for their child, then I contacted the player and made sure it was what he wanted, then the move was made. As long as I've been here a player has never been brought up because of NAME! At our level its about the best players competing as a TEAM to achieve the best they can, that's it nothing more. I find it funny the senseless comments I hear from someone who heard from someone who heard from someone...... I've never seen a parent at my practices, and I've only had two parents in 7 years of coaching come and talk to me about their child. If their is such a concern and you parents know it all where are you? (Oh, that's right your on this website, spouting your lame opinions to the only peanut gallery you feel you get support from, hey as long as that makes you feel better, but what about your KIDS?) You parents need to get involved, talk to these coaches, support them, support your kids, stop with all of this negativity. What do you think that is teaching your child when he sees dad whining about everything? Maybe that's why junior isn't doing as well as you hoped, look at his role model he's ripping a 7th grader and his family for and incident that didn't occur. What would possess you write something about a young man whom I'm sure you haven't had the pleasure to get to know. And for your sidekick "monkey" or "TIGER" or whoever, we are all happy you were moved up in two sports, but what right does that give you to run your mouth about this individual and his parents? What behavior are they encouraging that you disaprove of, or don't you know because you have know idea about this specific situation therefore are not qualified to voice an opinion? I find it funny you people spouting off on these websites hiding behind made up names, probably because you've never had the BALLs to confront anyone personally! It's been fun, but back to reality, which you guys are welcome to join me in anytime, if you ever decide to leave FANTASY LAND!

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 05 2003,1:47 pm

Dan Fredrickson, first off I could care less about Glenville Emmons athletics. I was merely responding to a previous post. It is kind of like having a conversation. Try it sometime. I have coached young kids in the summer programs and have seen parents first hand act in the manner discussed above. The attitude of the parents 95% of the time rubs off on the kids even at such a young age. If you would have read the entire thread you would have seen that I said it was good that individual was moved up but now it is the parents responsibility to guide him, help him stay focused and stay grounded.
Secondly, what makes you any better of a role model to your athletes when you come on here "calling names" like an adolscent? I know you are only trying to defend this kid because you are his coach and have every right to do that. However I think there is a much more professional way of going about it. You are employeed by the school district correct? That would make you a professional. Do think parents and athletes are going to respect you more because you came on here spouting your mouth off exactly like you say other individuals on this forum have done. Sounds hypocritical to me!!!

Posted by shaker on Nov. 05 2003,4:39 pm

dan fredrickson, If you have an issue with Hoosier, fine, that one I don't want to be involved in or with, Hoosier will take care of himself very well I'am sure. But as far as saying that people who post here don't have the balls to confront anyone personally you are out in left field and just running off at the mouth as far as I am concerned. I know several people who post here, they are very well informed and they are not afraid of confronting anyone, anytime. stick with your big time coaching job in Glenville, looks to Me like you have reached to top of your ladder. :angry:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 05 2003,4:55 pm

Tell it like it is, shaker. Mr. Fredrickson comes on this forum, makes his first post and blows his wad.

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I find it funny you people spouting off on these websites hiding behind made up names, probably because you've never had the BALLs to confront anyone personally!

He don't know me very well, does he shaker.

Posted by shaker on Nov. 05 2003,5:05 pm

You are soooo rite maddog!

Posted by danfredrickson on Nov. 05 2003,6:58 pm

Tiger: If you want to have a conversation with someone on here that's fine. The only thing I'm saying is it would be nice if you knew the entire story before giving your opinion, especially about a topic concerning a now (freshman) athlete. If I called you a name or anything, I apologize, that was not the intent of this rant. I was trying to defend my players side of the story and what really occured, and I became more and more frustrated that anyone can come on these forums and tell what ever story the want without repercussions. It is a very sensitive issue to me when someone lashes out against one of my players, especially people who have not gotten to know them. So to me this issue became personal, and I wrote a few things in my post to stir up some attention, to shake you people up the way I was shaken up when I read "Hoosiers" comments. Tiger, once again I apologize if you took offense to what I had written, you seem to be a clear thinker and you are right on about some of the issues you speak of and I agree with you on most, however, it was frustrating to hear people chime in on an incident that simply did not occur, and to hear you speak out against this kid as if you know the situation. So all I'm saying watch your comments on some of these issues, because sometimes they affect real people, and this is exactly how these non-truths originate. Shaker YOU SIMPLY DON'T GET IT DO YOU! The only thing that matters to me is these kids. They are Glenville-Emmons' kids, the same as I was as a player. It has been the most rewarding experience of my life being able to work with these young gentlemen. Let me inform you on my situation, before you open your mouth about my "Big-Time" coaching position. I am a college student at Minnesota State University-Mankato, carrying a full load and working a part-time job in Home Health Care. I live in Mankato, and during Basketball season I commute 65 miles one way for the opportunity to coach these fine young men in Glenville, then I come back home to Mankato which totals 130 miles roundtrip everyday. On game nights I usually get back to Mankato between 1:00am-2:00am. Then it is off to class in the morning. On the weekends I need to work to be able to pay rent, because my "Big-Time" coaching job doesn't pay me until March. People ask me all the time why do you put yourself through that during basketball season, wouldn't it be much easier to finish school without all the stresses of having to come back to Glenville everyday. It's called Committment. I tell them I'm blessed to have the opportunity to work with these young men, you see it's not about me, it's about these kids. It's about giving back to your community, and being able to make a difference in these young players lives. That's something Special. It's not about making it to the top of the ladder, it's about making a difference in the lives of these kids. If you knew the relationship I have developed with my players you would withhold your mumblings from the peanut gallery. I have a very unique bond with my players, it has been a very rewarding experience, and in that respect I already have reached the top. Later, Dan Fredrickson

Posted by minnow on Nov. 05 2003,7:35 pm

Hey...it's just basketball...just relax a little aiight?

Posted by Kid Dyn O mite on Nov. 05 2003,8:07 pm

Now look, I'm certainly not implying anything here but perhaps your desire to spend so much time with preteen boys is not such a healthy thing...

....How old did you say you were?

Posted by unsilent majority on Nov. 05 2003,8:45 pm

Parents need to step aside and let there kids experience life on there own and not try to make excuses for every disappointment that comes along. In other words let them become there own man, not some cheap carbon copy of what you think you once were or could have been. When it comes to sports and life people excel at different times and at different things you can't control that. So if your kid doesn't start on the football or basketball team you should support him, encourage him, and hepl him to improve. I'm sick of these excuses that the problem is the coach or that your kid doesn't have the right last name. Which may be the problem in some cases but not all, I don't know. But unless every player on that team has the same last name or other players are complaining about the coaching you have no leg to stand on with your excuses. I think its great if a kid excels enough to advance to another level and the community should support him as they should every player. The questions you should ask yourself are: Are you jealous of this gifted athlete because it's not your son? Are you jealous of this families name that makes there kid play? If any of these are true that is very sad because that is the example you are setting for your child and basically you are setting him up for failure. Your only young once so let your kid enjoy it don't push all of your closed minded thought onto them. Let them grow up into there own man and be proud of there accomplishments.

Posted by danfredrickson on Nov. 05 2003,9:46 pm

kid dynomite, your comment only shows the level of ignorance I'm talking about being predicated on these websites. Absolutely classless and pathetic!

Posted by Kid Dyn-o-mite on Nov. 05 2003,9:51 pm

C'mon don't you think it's a little strange. I don't find myself wanted to spend all my time with preteen boys. Ever consider just becoming a big brother or scoutmaster?

Posted by Mamma on Nov. 05 2003,9:58 pm

Well at first I just wanted to pin a medal to your chest Mr. Fredrickson...and then I realized you are probably suffering from a severe case of jock envy. Seems most of the jocks or wanna be jocks in Glenville just don't give up. They just keep returning to the school in the postion of a coach of some type or another. Ever notice?

Is it that you never made it, and just can't give up the adoration or what? Good grief, get a life and leave the little jock thing to the kids. Oh ya...I know....you do it for the kids....right.....You are just beating yourself to death for the kids....If I didn't know better I might have even believed your spiel. .....take a look at the other coaches and tell me that they didn't play sports in Glenville....at least most of them.....Grow up.

Posted by Eric on Nov. 05 2003,10:29 pm

Hey Dan - short and to the point, I don't know anything about the story you were talking about, but I want to say good luck keeping up your hectic schedule. As for those on here who have no idea what it takes to be a coach (that's everyone based on their reactions) grow up a little bit. Is it that bad that this guy (who I don't know) finds enjoyment making his players better people and (probably) better athletes? As opposed to 'jock envy' (Mamma's quote), is this success envy? Someone is able to find success, so those on here who probably are jealous of it try to make up things to feel better about themselves. (Mamma came up with jock envy, Kid Dyn-o-mite came up with the preteen lust (by the way, why is it better to be a big brother or a scoutmaster than a coach?), minnow probably never played a sport (it's just basketball? those who play it can gain a lot through their coach, Tiger (although well-thought out) explained why he didn't care about GE sports (why continue to comment if you don't care?), Shaker and Maddog just talked about how tough they are..."He don't know me very well, does he shaker"

Mainly, I'm just trying to say keep up the good work, Dan, and don't let these people get to you (I made that mistake before).

Posted by minnow on Nov. 05 2003,10:42 pm

Eric....you go girl! :laugh:

Posted by shaker on Nov. 06 2003,12:59 am

Shaker and Maddog just talked about how tough they are--- We hear this from our resident punk at college with all his wisdom and knowledge. Punk, I was refering to dans comment that We don't have the balls to confront anyone personally,that is just not so, there are a good many of us that wait each day to go face to face with anyone who wishes to do so, We attend meetings, we are active, and will continue to be so.
As far as dan f comment to kid dym-o-mite about showing a level of ignorance go's , that just shows me dans level of arrogant mind set. Wow! I am in college and I know better than anyone.
By the way, I coached for 7 years, big deal :angry:

Posted by danfredrickson on Nov. 06 2003,2:17 am

Mamma, you write about me as if you know me. Although I assure you that you do not. Where do you get off? You have no idea of my level of committment to my program, or what my motivation is for coaching, (even though I pretty much spelled it out for you) and you are certainly in no position to judge me? It is easy talking shots at someone from a far isn't it MAMMA! That's the coward's way. You wrote "If I didn't know any better I might have even believed your spiel" What does that mean? Please enlighten me, do you really think you know me, do you really think you know my character? It's easy to make outlandish statements from behind some log in NAME, so let's hear what's really driving your comments. It's funny the shots that I've received on my character from people on this website, who truly know nothing about me, but I guess that's inevitable considering most of my audience. If your going to ride out in front on a white horse, I guess you need to be prepared to be shot at. I hear shaker and mad dog say we are not afraid to confront anyone. Together or what? (It's always you two guys chiming in back and forth looking for approval from each other, "He doesn't know me does he shaker" "Your so rite Maddog," is this a good ol' boys club or what, I mean it's like listening to Daryl and his other brother Daryl!) It's funny between the three of us I am the only one who left my real name, yet you to aren't afraid to confront anyone? You guys keep believing that. You see I don't know anyone on this website, I am not seeking approval from any of you. I merely stumbled onto a post about one of my players, and I wanted to set the record straight. And let you people know how silly it is to come on here and voice strong opinions under an assumed name.
Look at me I gave my name and it has obviously turned into a lightening-rod issue, however I am still here taking it like a MAN, which is more than I can say for most of you. DARE TO STAND ALONE, DARE TO BE A DANIEL! Good Night.

Posted by minnow on Nov. 06 2003,2:24 am

Dan..you go girl! :laugh:

Posted by Unsilent Majority on Nov. 06 2003,7:30 am

Shaker,you need to grow up. Do you have some sort of jealousy or personal issues towards Dan, because I sense some hostility towards him. Do you come on here to have discussions about topics or to try to bully people around because nobody's buying the tough guy routine so just drop it. As far as I can tell your the PUNK and need to get a life. As for JJ Walker, AKA kid dynomite you've got problems I can't even help with. You need to keep your fantasies to yourself and pull your head out of the gutter. You need a team of specialists to talk to and Im not talking about 1 shrink. Im talking a team of psychiatrists from somewhere Freud studied. Hey minnow you go girl! Mamma, do you wish you were from Glenville or whats with the hostility towards a town? Did someone from Glenville make you feel inadequate or insecure in some way? You need to let it go and grow up! Eric made some very good points and for that I have respect. I also have respect for what I have heard of Dan and his responses he seems to be a pretty stand up guy and I wish his team the best.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 06 2003,8:33 am

Hey Eric, how's Augsburg anyway? Are you learning anything? You shouldn't be up so late, you need your rest to grow up and be smart. What's the matter anyway, wouldn't Iowa accept you? Dan, what's with accusing shaker and me with being in the "good ole boys club?" Trust me, I'm far from it.

Posted by Mamma on Nov. 06 2003,8:37 am

Well yes a few of you did make a few assumptions. Yes, Dan I do know you..HONEST. and I know your mother , your father, and your brother Scott too. How's that? Want me to name all your cousins too?. I just get a little sick of the kids in Glenville never letting go of the school. Wasn't I right about the coaches?

?My kids all went to school in Glenville, so I am not making a bunch of stuff up. I just thought your tirad about how wonderful you are giving up your life to coach was a crock. You are doing it for you. Sure you get along with all the kids and they are all your best friends....you never left the school and they have known you all your life. You know...the school needs coaches so if that is what turns your crank...go for it....but for heavens sake don't make it sound like you are sacrificing yourself.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 06 2003,9:01 am

Eric, why do you think I am a "he" and not a "she." Is it because I played sports and have been a coach and enjoy athletics? I even get hyped about the Twins and Vikings. I must be a male, right?

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 06 2003,9:14 am

Fredrickson, sorry for having an opinion, I dont recall having seeing you around these boys 7th and 8th grade teams to know just how they felt about it. I respect your right to come in here and try to set the record straight. I also thought you you were an @sshole in the way you did it. Everything I said I either seen or heard myself or it came from the ex superintendent. So as some in here have already mentioned, if you come in here and blow off and get nasty with your first post, dont expect any respect in return. I was just posting what I know to be the truth, what the other boys know to be the truth.

Hey Fredrickson :finger:

Like I said, come in here acting like an @sshole, you get treated like one.

By the way folks, go back and take a look at my post that @sshole is all upset about and see if you see anything wrong with it. I dont rip the kid, I say the parents are the problem, I say the kid should have the oppurtunity to play at a higher level. My only concern was all of them playing as a team when they are seniors. Please, read it again and see if you know why Fredrickson is so upset.

To tell you the truth, my child is a student at GE, Fredrickson seems a little unstable, and not able to keep his idiotic mouth shut when he should.

Mamma, you are right about him, couldnt have said it better myself.
By the way, I have coached different sports for about 20 years now, doesnt mean I should rip peoples @ss because they have an opinion about sports.

Again Dan :finger:

Posted by warden on Nov. 06 2003,10:41 am

Kid Dyn O Mite, That is by far the sickest response I have ever heard. I can tell you have never devoted any of your time to the betterment of anything, let alone volunteer any time for a worthwhile cause. Perhaps if you got out and learned to help others you would feel better about yourself and wouldn't feel compelled to hurt others. You only prove what a poor self image you have; well to feel better about yourself get out and do something to help those less fortunate. And why would you even write such a hurtful thing. It only proves this is a trash website with a bunch of lonely, pathetic, wannabe's out there. Get a life!

Posted by warden on Nov. 06 2003,10:58 am

Mamma, Again I have to say you people do not know what you are talking about on this website. You do NOT know Dan, if you did you would know he doesn't have a brother scott--so no you can't name cousins because you've got your information all messed up. That's the point. GET THE FACTS!! And Hoosier you are the biggest no-mind of all! I do know Dan and he is by far the kindest, most honest (after all he put his real name you cowards are hiding)
fair, genuine person I've had the pleasure to meet. So before you crucify someone get the facts. And Hoosier those of us familiar with Glenville are familiar with YOU! You can't hide behind your fake name. Shall I open a can of worms?

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 06 2003,11:03 am

I too find it offensive what kid said. On the other hand I also find it offensive that some of you come on here and say that people who post on this website are pathetic. I guess that would mean the people posting those comments are pathetic losers as well. By coming on here and reading what we have to say doesn't stand behind your philosophy. And then to post a comment OH MY GOSH!!!! YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE!!!!!!!

Posted by warden on Nov. 06 2003,11:19 am

tiger, there are many of us out here that did not even know this site existed until yesterday. So you see, we do have lives! This site someone stumbled upon and brought it to my attention because I am familiar with the topic. I was appalled a site like this even existed for people to spread hurtful, non truths. Not all but most responses are unbelievable and unreliable.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 06 2003,11:22 am

So are you telling me that you haven't checked out any of the other topics while here?

Posted by warden on Nov. 06 2003,11:27 am

tiger, nope! And this is it for me. Have a good day!!

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 06 2003,11:37 am

Warden, I know you won't see this because posting on here is above you. You say you didn't ever look at another topic here, but I will never know if I those are the true FACTS or not. I guess we will never know will we! By the way you have a GREAT day!!!

Posted by Unsilent Majority on Nov. 06 2003,1:42 pm

Hoosier, I am from Glenville and have had the pleasure of knowing Dan. He legitamately wants the best for these kids and this school. You are the only idiotic person on here. Do you have a personal problem with Dan? I hope the warden does open this can of worms he or she speaks of so you are exposed as a fraud. You seem to think your opinions are in some way valued higher than everyone elses. When you make a statement you try to rally everyone behind you, try standing alone as a man, it feels great. You are the only @sshole on here. Did I spell @sshole right? Those icons flicking Dan off are so cute, for a first grader. I think you need to get better information before you run your mouth. Perhaps you should pull your head out of your @ss once in a while and take a look around at the real world. Mamma, You made a bold statement that you know Dan, who does not have a brother Scott. So I guess your information is wrong and you do not know him. Maybe you have a problem with someone who may or may not be related to Dan, I do not know. But that should not be taken out on him. Whatever the problem is, get over it. We are so far off the original topic it isn't even funny.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 06 2003,2:12 pm

It's nice that all you people from Glenville have come to this forum. I have no care whether Glenville even has a basketball team, but why don't you take just a little more civil stance in your posts, just because you don't like one or two posters. Unsilent Majority,

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Those icons flicking Dan off are so cute, for a first grader.

I think the two finger California wave is a little cute, in fact I've borrowed it from hoosier once or twice.

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I hope the warden does open this can of worms he or she speaks of so you are exposed as a fraud.

And what point would this make? So you know who hoosier is, big deal, so do I. Yea, he flies off the handle once in a while, but he admits it. Takes a little bigger man to admits a fault, and in my book, that makes him a pretty good guy. One thing he's not is complacent, he looks to change what is wrong or doesn't work.

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So are you telling me that you haven't checked out any of the other topics while here?

Why don't you people from Glenville check out other topics, there more here than just a basketball player, or is this the only topic you're familiar with? There's plenty of county and community topics in here. Give us your opinions on them.

Posted by Eric on Nov. 06 2003,3:08 pm

To Tiger: You stated the following... "Eric, why do you think I am a "he" and not a "she." Is it because I played sports and have been a coach and enjoy athletics? I even get hyped about the Twins and Vikings. I must be a male, right?"

my response is that I did not know about you being a coach and enjoying athletics until you just mentioned it. In all honesty, I used the term 'he' because I think of a he when I hear/see Tiger, I think of a she when I hear/see Tigress. I know that is not politically (or biologically) correct, but that is how my mind works. If it offended you, I am sorry. It was not meant in that way.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 06 2003,3:19 pm

Eric, I am not offended by such a minor comment. I just found it interesting that's all. I also mentioned in an earlier post that I coached young kids in the summer and that I played sports in HS. I guess it shows you read only what you want to. Again, no offense taken.

Posted by dead grass on Nov. 06 2003,3:33 pm

What does Glenville basketball have to do with the opinion of whether Woody is a D1 basketball talent? Sounds like Fredrickson should hire Tom Jones in for consulting.

Posted by Unsilent Majority on Nov. 06 2003,3:42 pm

Maddog, I was just responding negatively in the same way hoosier and others have been. I was trying to show hoosier that personal attacks are uncalled for and that this discussion should have been over a long time ago. If you don't care about glenville having a basketball team, don't talk about it. I have checked other topics but it just so happens I know the person being blasted so it was of interest. Maybe we should get back to the original topic. Personally I have no problem with anyone here but I do not agree with the personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topics. I am also guilty for these attacks but only because I believe some of the so called facts are wrong. When hoosier called Dan idiotic and a jerk he started the bad mouthing and I don't know what kind of civil stance you think he is making, but maybe it's acceptable when it is a friend of yours. I don't hear you responding on here to any important community issues either. This started out a discussion about Woodside playing Div.1 basketball and grew into this. This topic didn't start out talking about who is running for mayor or what referendum passed, it started out about a basketball player so maybe we should get back to the topic or just drop the whole conversation. thank you

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Unsilent,

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but maybe it's acceptable when it is a friend of yours.

I told you he flies off the handle once in a while, but he admits it.

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I don't hear you responding on here to any important community issues either.

Of course not on this thread, and I stay mostly on county issues.
[/quote]This topic didn't start out talking about who is running for mayor or what referendum passed, it started out about a basketball player so maybe we should get back to the topic or just drop the whole conversation.[quote]
Then get the conversation back on the subject.

Posted by To A TEE on Nov. 06 2003,6:56 pm

Hey, Dan Fredrickson is the only person that has come on this site to defend issues surrounding the kid he coaches, his honor, himself. In my book he is at the top of the ladder. I have not heard word one from Pam Bishop, Paul Sparks, Ron Gabrielson ? Dan you are an honorable person with more integrity than almost everyone on this site. And all you have done is try to set the record straight. I have come to realize that this site is very negative and the people who write on it need to get a life.

Posted by The Advocate on Nov. 06 2003,7:16 pm

Kid Dyn O Mite take your cheap shots and find a porno site. I used to like to come on this site to get information from people like Jim Hanson, Liberal, and Rosebudinial. This once was a good site for learning but I can see the sleazy "Jerry Springer" element is invading with the likes of ..."Mite" . Dan Fredrickson is a fine young man of unquestionable moral character. He gives back selflesslly to the community what he felt they had once given him. In high school Dan was an exciting football, basketball ,baseball player and leader for Glenville/Emmons and is now working hard on his degree to someday be a Doctor. While others are working and growing to achieve life goals you are a sad person indeed. Mocking others who are trying to better the world does not make you a bigger person. Your signature says it all..."Mite"

Posted by Bee stings. on Nov. 06 2003,7:20 pm

I agree, its' time to talk about the county or city issues... Let's get back any respect we had at all.

Posted by Seinfeld on Nov. 06 2003,7:35 pm

I am new to this site and saw the Woodside topic and I thought I would chime in. I graduated from ALHS back in the mid-80's. I saw his dad play and he was a fun player to watch. He could handle the ball well. Guru made the first post of this topic and seems to have the knowledge on Woodside. I have not seen him play and actually am trying to find a game to come and watch him play.

Guru, how much have you seen him play? Have you tracked him pretty closely? What other colleges did he hear from if you know? I would be interested in seeing what other schools were interested in him. It is great to have a Tiger b-ball player going on to play college basketball. If it's his dream I hope he excells. When I read the on-line tribune I am interested in watching him play. Can you tell me a little more about his game?

thanks and I hope to hear a response or two.

Seinfeld

Posted by Mamma on Nov. 06 2003,7:49 pm

yup...you're right...Scott is his cousin...but I still know his two sisters, his mom and his dad. I wasn't saying he was a poor coach or a horrible person. I just find it sad that the people in Glenville just can't move on. Cripes...even the cheerleading advisor is stuck in that town.....still trying to be a cheerleader.

Posted by minnow on Nov. 06 2003,8:54 pm

That's nothing compared to Texas high school sports. Fathers have been known to offer up their daughters to assistant coaches just so their son gets more play time. It's a place where mothers of cheerleaders conspire to kill other cheerleaders...

Some people grow older and think a dream has passed them by, so they go back and try to make that old dream come true....only they don't realize that by doing so, other better dreams get swept aside.

Posted by Pappa on Nov. 06 2003,10:08 pm

Mamma, where did you grow up and where do you live now? What do you do that is so spectacular? You have a big mouth and no room to talk about anything. You seem to be a bitter old bag with nothing better to do but gripe. I have been watching this crap for a while waiting to chime in when something worthwhile comes up but you always bring it back down into the gutter. Thank you to seinfeld for trying to get this conversation on track, which was the reason I came to this discussion. Mamma, soak your teeth and get a good nights sleep. I hope to check out this website when it becomes more positive. Thank You

Posted by Mamma on Nov. 06 2003,10:44 pm

I've got a better idea big guy....why don't you give me your name and address? Cripes and you wonder why people don't use their real names on here. You really should have waited a little longer for something worth while to come up. It was nice you added the polite thank you at the end. You might be surprised to find out how old I am ......old enough to not have to result to insulting an a$$ like you. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Geeze are you a relative too?

Posted by shaker on Nov. 06 2003,10:57 pm

This has got completely out of control, #1 Hoosier made a post that D.F. didn't agree with, No problem. D.F. posted his responce to Hossier, no problem with that, this is what a forum is about, But D.F. couldn't let it go at that, He had to run his mouth off about everyone who posts here-------I find it funny YOU people spouting off on these websites, hiding behind made up names probley because you have never had the balls to confront anyone---then goes on to say you guys are welcome to join Me if you ever leave FANTANCY LAND
If you have an issue with a post thats fine, POST IT, but don't come in here like some Texas cowboy shooting everything that moves, a lot of us enjoy a lively discussion!!!

Posted by rosebudinal on Nov. 06 2003,11:01 pm

Leave momma be, she tells it like it is. There is a saying in my house. Goes something like this......"Do what you gotta do, say what ya gotta say, but, never and I repeat NEVER MESS WITH MAMA!!!!!!!" :angry:

Posted by minnow on Nov. 07 2003,1:24 am

Ronald Reagan married Mommy.

Posted by The Advocate on Nov. 08 2003,11:35 am

Shaker, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black well then I don't know what is. DF defended a student, a kid on this site because Hoosier did not have his facts straight. And he is certainly not alone. I think it took a great deal of courage to do what DF did because isn't that how rumors and innuendos get started in the first place? DF knew what no other person knew about the situation. And he was the only one who could correct the misstatements, he stopped Hoosiers story in its' tracks . And not one person on this site has questioned that. How can we. He knows and we do not know. DF was articultate in his article and stated the facts. I thank him for that. A pervert surfaced and disrespected us all and DF had to defend himself. What would you have done? I understand that Hoosier is a passionate person concerning many issues but he was called on the carpet here by DF (setting the record straight) Shaker defending the indefensible is not working. It is time to move on.

Posted by hoosier on Nov. 08 2003,8:11 pm

I might point out that not once did a post in this topic get nasty until Dan came in and attacked me and pretty much anyone that has ever posted here. Take a look at the posts from people that are here all the time, then take a look at the posts from the people defending Dan. Just who is being rude?

And I did not have my facts wrong, I know what I know, some might have different info, or a different opinion, and thats fine. Lets take a look back at my posts on this subject, my only concern was for the kids left behind, will they be able to come together as a team when they need to. If some thought I was ripping the child, I am sorry, that was not my intention, not sorry for anything said about the father. My post said nothing about Dan Fredrickson, I was in shock when I read his post in response to mine. I have nothing against Dan, I have a feeling though that this has a little more to do with other things than it does my post.
It does always amaze me though the number of people that can come in here, and with a straight face, call people names and critisize their posts, all at the sametime they are doing the samething they are complaining about.
And by the way, this topic would have ended long ago had Dan and his friends not pushed it to this point.
I am not hiding behind my nickname, you people in Glenville know who I am, most of the people here know, I have used my real name a number of times.
To all the regulars in this forum, you see how someone gets treated by this group from Glenville just because you have a different view or opinion? Thats why that community is looking at the slow death of its schools, because you dont disagree with certain people in Glenville and get away with it. They treated people from Emmons and who ever disagreed with them about what school to close the same way they treated people when they came in here. You see, look at their posts, I am the one that is supposed to be saying all the time that I know everything, but how many times do they say that the have the facts right, I am wrong. But just like the school closing, this has turned into much more than it should have, something that was supposed to be out of concern for the kids has turned into adults fighting.
Does anyone else here wonder what the hell the the big deal is here? I have my opinion, they have theirs, doesnt mean I am right, doesnt mean they are right. Some people just dont understand the concept of an opinion forum.

Posted by rosebudinal on Nov. 08 2003,11:11 pm

UMMMMMMMMMM, I thought the topic here was our star athlete Ben Woodside, shall we get back to the topic at hand, or create a Glenville topic? Sounds alittle too heated in here

Lets not throw out innuendos and rumored items in regards to coaching, it isn't an easy job. Believe it or not, I have helped coach a team. I know that it is tough to coach vs. parents and it is equally as tough to be a parent at the games. So lets give each other alittle slack, guys. Return to your corners and lets make this a clean fight :cool:

Posted by shaker on Nov. 08 2003,11:16 pm

Advocate- You must have a problem understanding what you read- I am nor defending Hoosier, He can take care of himself. Go back and read my post and see if you can get it this time, but in case you don't I will say it again, Hoosier made a post that D.F. had an issue with NO PROBLEM, D.F. posted his responce to Hoosier NO PROBLEM with that either, The whole thing went South when D.F. could not shut his mouth and chose to ridicule all the rest of the people who post on this forum. Now tell Me who in the Hell I am defending! Take your own advice and move on. :angry:

Posted by dan fan on Nov. 09 2003,12:27 am

Oh my, this is the better than reruns of Whose Line!! I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Everybody needs to "really" read what you've written on here. The only one that truely makes any sense at all is coach Dan. Hopefully, by the time my children reach school age, Dan will still be coaching. I would personally drive them the 20 miles to go to Glenville!! Anyone who would stand up for my kids the way I would is OK with me.

Posted by new on Nov. 09 2003,3:26 pm

Hoosier, FACT: Glenville/ Emmons recieved the top score of 5 by the States mew star grading system. along with New Richland and Alden/Conger. The BIG dogs score mediocre. FACT: G/E standardized test scores are excellent. FACT: AL ACT composite scores have not even met State averages for the past 10 years (haven't checked further). This speaks volumes about the quality of education kids are receiving in the small school districts. These small schools need not worry-- the testing is here to stay like it or not! And because of it these districts, including Glenville will become magnet districts. Where other schools are failing, Glenville will succeed. You made a wise choice in open enrolling your kid to such an academically excellent district. But no, you people from Emmons need to quick reacting on emotion and look at the facts. Many combined districts to not have a school in each town but the school flourishes. WHY? Remember, schools are reflective of their communities. Hoosier, you just like reading what you write don't you? Or is it the reactions that trip your trigger? Write about something you know something about and leave the educated topics to the big boys!

Posted by To A TEE on Nov. 09 2003,7:21 pm

To new. Just a note about the new 5 star rating system now in place in Minnesota. You are so very right when you say Glenville/Emmons had a 5 star school. This feat was accomplished by just a handful of schools across Minnesota. Glenville/Emmons is indeed at the top in its' Standarized testing outcomes. It is a little district but does things right academically. Alden/Conger, USC and NRHEG also did exceptionally well in the Star system rating which compliments their testing outcomes in other standarized tests. It has indeed been interesting to me that some Glenville students open enrolled to larger less successful districts. I guess I wondered why? I know Glenville/Emmons had a falling out but those Glenville/Emmons kids are now enrolled in a school that has not had the testing successes that the smaller schools had. If the goal is education and you want the very best for your child available, why would you not investigate fully before you would enroll your child in a less rigorous program? Hoosier you made a good decision in open enrolling your child in the Glenville/Emmons district.

Posted by Tiger on Nov. 10 2003,9:29 am

We are so far off any subject!! We have talked about Ben Woodside, if kids should or should not be moved up in athletics, the coaching styles of Dan Fredrickson and now we are on to the star rating system in Minnesota and how awesome Glenville Emmons school district is. Let's close this one and start a new with whatever topic you would like. Because this is getting confusing.

Posted by Darwin on Nov. 10 2003,6:42 pm

Some of you people remind me of why we need to allow natural selection play its intended role. Through the expansion of medicine, legal systems, and technology, the human race -- unlike any other species -- has done away with nature's way of weeding out the idiots.

For what it is worth . . . Woody is a great basketball player. What is interesting is that he would be an even better hockey player. When he was young, he dominated his age group on the ice. He was a star in the making, but then he switched to basketball. It was a big loss to the hockey program, but we wish him well in hoops.

FYI - Tyler Young was also a very good hockey player when he was younger. Like Ben, Tyler switched sports somewhere around 11 or 12 years old. That is fine though -- kids should play (or do) whatever they want. At that age, the key is just to have them interested in activities other than sitting in front of a TV (or a computer).

Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 23 2003,5:02 pm

Guru, here's the original thread on Woodside.

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I cannot find the previous topic on him/AL basketball, so I am posting a new topic. (Moderators: feel free to move this to the other topic if it still exists)

Someone asked if it is worth the price of admission to go see him play. I say yes, for a few reasons.

For 1 - it answers the question on this board of "What is their to do in this town?" I went to the game versus Roch. Century, and the crowd was very healthy in size.

For 2 - As the local paper loves to state, he is going to D-I, so it is a good chance to see a local 'hero.' He holds the record for most points in a career for an AL basketball player, so -based on these facts- he must be pretty good.

For 3 - Coach Addington has the boys playing a style that is fun for the audience to watch. I do not think I saw more than 4 offensive plays the whole night, but it was enjoyable. The team plays aggressive D, and looks to get out and run. The style is up tempo, and is run well.

For 4 - He is a good player - relatively speaking. He does need to work harder on D, and on improving conditioning (he appears to float at times) as well as improve his jumper, but he has a very quick first step. He appears to be able to drive by defenders at will. He is a very solid ball-handler and has a flair for making fancy passes.

For 5 - This is not a one-dimension team: the other Tigers are also good players. Thorn is very solid all-around and does the little things well - if he had another 4-5 inches or so, he could play at the next level. Habben is a big body who knows how to play. Moore is a very good compliment to Woodside - he is a sound shooter and can run the point, giving Woodside a break. Skophammer should be really good by his senior year. Behrends seems to continually put up good numbers, and will attack the hoop strong at times. Keyeski (sp?) has the chance to develop into a very good high school guard by his senior year. And there are many others whose names I cannot remember right now who know what role they have and play well as a team.

(side-bar) The 9th grader (Dieser) playing JV, could play Varsity this year if he is needed. He appears to be a total package player and is head-and-shoulders above his level of competition. Hopefully he continues to improve and does not take his talent for granted. [The JV team plays well, for JV level, and is worth showing up early to see.]

For a schedule, I would assume that it is on the Albert Lea High School Website. Probably located under sports. I have not looked there, but I presume it would be there.

I hope that answers some of the questions I remembered from the other thread.
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Posted by dead grass on Dec. 24 2003,8:56 am

The JV team is successful because of excellent coaching. The varsity will continue to win ball games if they share the basketball.

Posted by rosebudinal on Dec. 28 2003,9:42 pm

Stop into the Hs Atheletic office for a winter sports schedule for both at home and away games.

Posted by dead grass on Dec. 29 2003,12:38 pm

Ben Woodside adds another basketball award as Most Valuable Play in the 2nd annual "Tiger Classic." Way to go Woody? Who was the MVP in the girls' tournament?

Posted by dead grass on Dec. 30 2003,1:44 pm

I predict Ben will be a candidate for Mr. Basketball in Minnesota! Outstanding for outstate player not known of in the metro a year ago.

Posted by Ben Rocks!! on Jan. 06 2004,1:42 am

I just want to add that Ben is the crap and you all should know that. I have seen 4 games this year and have played against him many times. Let me also add im not from Albert Lea.

Posted by Ben Rocks!! on Jan. 06 2004,1:46 am

Everyone can sit and talk about if he is good or not, just go and see him play. Find 5.00 around the house see him play once, then answer your own questions about him. You will see that he is the best point guard in the state.

Posted by hoosier on Jan. 06 2004,10:18 am

I have no doubt that he is a good player, but how would you tell that he is the best point guard in the state by just watching him? Wouldnt you have to see other point guards from across the state play to be able to make that decision?

Posted by Vic on Jan. 06 2004,5:31 pm

Ben reminds me a lot of Lindsey Whalen of the Lady Gophers. What natural ability. There are just certain things that cannot be learned, one has natural ability or one does not. Janet McCarville , Whalens" teammate on the Gopher team has excellent numbers but to look at her play she appears big, clumsy and uncoordiated. She obviously has weighted out and is very strong (obviously, a good thing for a Center) but to watch Whalen play is poetry in motion. Like Lindsey, Ben is an unheralded star of greater Minnesota as well. No one but no one could have predicted she would have made national college player of the year two years ago and she is on the same roll this year. Ben is a talent that is just blossoming and people that can spot natural talent predict great things for this kid. What a wonderful boost to program that has been suffering badly for a number of years.

Posted by CLETUS on Jan. 07 2004,2:48 pm

I LOVE IT WHEN THEY DUNK THE BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ironmaiden on Jan. 12 2004,6:44 pm

I might add that aside from being a exceptional basketball player, he is a very nice and mannerly kid, very respectful of those around him off the court and kind to some kids that others just ignore...

Posted by Manolo Ray on Jan. 28 2004,10:21 pm

R u kidin me. He's among the best athletes to ever play in Albert Lea. He averages over 20 points a game. I witnessed him beat austin single handely. With one minute left and down by 6 Woodside stold the ball and put the tigers ahead for the win. Now granted the team wasn't playing their best game, but woodside did take the game over and win it for the tigers. A recent game against fairmont woodside dunked one and made the whole gym come to their feet. He does hit the weights and trains hard i've witnessed him training hard. So is he good enough, ya damn right he is.

Posted by dead grass on Jan. 31 2004,5:24 pm

Manolo Ray, You stated that Dieser did not put the time in like the other JV players. I disagree. By the way how did you like that game winner by Dieser in the JV game against Mankato East? Or did you miss it?

Posted by Manolo Ray on Feb. 02 2004,12:37 pm

Well here is another example...back in 7th grade corey would play on the 8th grade "school ball" team...then on the weekends he would go with the 7th grade "elks team"(which his papa coached) and play for them...the worst part of it all is that he started on both teams...and he played twice as much as many of the other players

Posted by dead grass on Feb. 02 2004,1:00 pm

It's not what you know, it's who you know?

Posted by brittany :) on Feb. 04 2004,3:46 pm

i think woody is great! i love him

good luck

Posted by richard on Feb. 04 2004,3:55 pm

if you idiots hadn't realized..ben woodside is the best player albert lea has ever seen. each basket he is making its putting the school record to shame. open your eyes and realize he is gonna prove you all wrong! :cool:

Posted by allen on Feb. 04 2004,3:57 pm

TO THE NEGITIVE :Who are any of you to talk? ... woodys the best this town has ever had. so just shut your faces. good luck ben.

Posted by Torked on Feb. 04 2004,9:12 pm

It is exciting to finally see Albert Lea High School basketball on the map. I cannot remember a basketball team or athlete that has brought back life into this program like these kids have. And lay off Dieser. What kind of bullies are you. He's just a kid. And he looks pretty impressive for his age. It is amazing to me how envious people can be of others. Be supportive or keep your comments to yourself.

Posted by LaLaLa on Feb. 04 2004,11:59 pm

Couldn't agree with you anymore, tork, well put!!!

Posted by guest on Feb. 05 2004,11:37 pm

Woodside is the best player we have ever had. No questions. I think Skophammer and Dieser are going to be fun to watch in 2 years. Should be lots of great b ball

Posted by Hockey on Feb. 06 2004,9:22 pm

All this focus on B-ball. Have any of you seen the hockey team. Really good . . . and young. They will have another 2 or 3 strong years, as they only have 4 seniors this year.

This year's squad has a great chance to make state though. It would be a first for A.L., and Roy really deserves it. They have a big game tomorrow against Roch. Century. Century beat the Tigers in OT in Rochester earlier this week. Go to the game tomorrow at the City Arena -- it will be a great show!

Posted by jockssuck,esp.hockey on Feb. 07 2004,9:49 am

hockey who the hell do u think u are? cmon how about the bowling team? huh? or chess or math club? drama club, home ec. team they the real warriors? i mean cmon pull your head out?

Posted by fresno on Feb. 07 2004,1:20 pm

HATS OFF TO THE ALBERT LEA HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING TEAM FOR BEATING MAYO BY ONE POINT, GOOD JOB FELLAS!

Posted by guest on Feb. 07 2004,7:54 pm

Maybe there is so much bball talk here because it's a bball topic and not puck?

Posted by just the facts on Feb. 07 2004,8:08 pm

Manolo Ray, please get your facts straight before you talk about kids online. Corey Dieser did not start for the 8th grade team when he was in 7th grade. In fact, he did not even play with the 8th graders. He played on the 7th grade school ball team. Plus, the Youth First Program at that time gave all participants equal playing time.

Posted by lady on Feb. 09 2004,6:11 pm

I thought this was a duscussion regarding Woody, who I wish all the best to one of the best. This has turned in to a discussion about coaching, which brings me to discuss Donna Marty, the cheer coach, who has been rediculed and degraded for making a mistake, which we have all probably made at one time or another in our life; just never got caught. The Martys have tried desperately to create successful programs and restore school spirit at ALHS. You talk about coaches needing to be strict and enforce discipline. I agree, but look where it got Donna. I hope something good comes out of all this. Especially for the Martys. And congratulations and much success to Woody.

Posted by lady on Feb. 09 2004,6:14 pm

Posted by rosebudinal on Feb. 09 2004,6:26 pm

Lady, your right this is a discussion about Woody. I agree that Jeff M. is to be commended for his coaching abilities (or in this case assistant coaching). However, this has NOTHING to do with Donna. Please save it for that topic, or better yet, wish her a well recovery and let it GO!!!!

Posted by chicken_knows_all on Feb. 24 2004,2:21 pm

I think that next year the team is going to be pretty successful and make a good run at state. I think that with Conner's scoring ability, Ryan Truesdell's speed and strength, Brock's three point shooting, Mike's sick dunks, Parker's rebounding and all around good at any thing on the court and also the one that is going to have a blow out season Ryan Moore. He will be the leader of the team. Good Luck for the rest of the season.

Posted by rosebudinal on Feb. 27 2004,4:15 pm

Thursday nights game was great to listen to (for me, couldn't attend) but witnessed just how sick Ben was, He came through any doubts about his professionalism and dedication to the sport were laid to rest on Thursday. Moore did an awesome job as did Thorn and the other team members along with Ben to carry the team to a winning finish. What a great bunch of kids that support each other, after all isn't that what its all about? It certainly has shown all of us this year with all our Tiger sports, what winners we have here in Albert Lea. Our town may be dying but our school spirit couldn't be higher, encourage your HS aged children to take advantage of the fan buses next week going to state wrestling Championships!!!!I am proud of all our teams

Posted by The Advocate on Feb. 27 2004,8:07 pm

I just can't get over how well all of our Albert Lea High School athletes are doing. Our wrestling, basketball, and hockey teams. Congratulations to one and all. Thanks, for bringing back some of the glory to good ole Albert Lea!