Topic: Gas Tax
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2019,3:56 am
Here we go, 20 cents a gallon for a gas tax. Wall aalso wants to raise vehicle sales tax and registration. Will it get robbed again for public transit?< https://www.albertleatribune.com/2019....roposal >
Why do we just defund the twin cities light rail which I suspect operates at a deficit. Charge users of it actual operating costs plus a small percentage for future projects?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 20 2019,6:44 am
Dumb!Why does walz hate poor people? Since it will be those hardest hit by this unneeded tax.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2019,6:54 am
^^ I agree, rural folks are the ones that will be hit hardest by this, not anyone in the metro.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 20 2019,7:24 am
48.6 tax is a little stiff, but it costs money to maintain build all these roads and bridges in what's a hostile environment for long-term survival of such structures.It'll be a double whammy for border town retailers and gas stations with the Iowa gas tax at 30.5 means a 18¢ per gal savings can be achieved by crossing the border. casino visits or Mason City shopping will profit moving tax dollar out of State..
70 percent increase is too much...Damned if you do Damned if you don't!
Posted by was1 on Feb. 20 2019,7:56 am
A gas tax no longer works. It is a disproportionate tax, as GD noted, it hits the poor the most. The better off people have newer, more efficient vehicles. And what about hybrids and EVs? do their vehicles not cause wear and tear on our roads? What about the vehicles going to CNG? All those Kwik Trip vehicles that are all CNG also need to pay their share (now, I have no idea if the gas tax also gets applied to CNG or not - anyone know?)I don't know what the solution is but there has to be some method other than a straight gas tax.
Do we go to a mileage tax? Do we take all sales tax from vehicle related products and put that to the roads fund?
Posted by nzeroesc on Feb. 20 2019,1:46 pm
CNG LNG and Propane are all taxed at a similar rate per effective gallon to unleaded. Here is a conversion table from the Dept of Revenue
< https://www.revenue.state.mn.us/busines....rge.pdf >
< MN Excise Tax Rates and Fees >
Posted by was1 on Feb. 20 2019,7:03 pm
Thanks for the links and info. I still think smothering different has to be developed based on miles and type of vehicle.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 21 2019,4:08 am
(was1 @ Feb. 20 2019,7:03 pm)
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Thanks for the links and info.
I still think smothering different has to be developed based on miles and type of vehicle.
I still think smothering different has to be developed based on miles and type of vehicle.
I won’t say it this time.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 21 2019,7:59 am
yep - good catch of another easy to figure auto correct typo. You should easily figure it was something not smothering. Back on topic instead of pettiness.
Anyone have any good ideas on this? There needs to be a more just way of funding roads and bridges. Fuel tax no longer works with the wide range of fuel efficiencies that are out there.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 21 2019,8:54 am
(was1 @ Feb. 21 2019,7:59 am)
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yep - good catch of another easy to figure auto correct typo. You should easily figure it was something not smothering.
Back on topic instead of pettiness.
Anyone have any good ideas on this? There needs to be a more just way of funding roads and bridges. Fuel tax no longer works with the wide range of fuel efficiencies that are out there.
Back on topic instead of pettiness.
Anyone have any good ideas on this? There needs to be a more just way of funding roads and bridges. Fuel tax no longer works with the wide range of fuel efficiencies that are out there.
Yes I caught it, normally I wouldn’t say anything but with you it seems to become a habit and it seems to happen at the same time at night. Is this after what, 4-5 cocktails?
As to what to do? Normally with gov contracts there needs to be a better accountability, a closer audit of expenditures. Perhaps another thing would be is to dump the expensive unions on the jobs, shovel leaners.
Also do it right the first time, Buster’s idea on the feeble “shovel ready” crap and it happens on a state level too is a light grind and a paveover.
But even with Ass Clowns’s idea of a mileage tax the rural folks will still take it one the shorts.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 21 2019,8:17 pm
If you use the resources more you should pay more. If you choose to live in a location you have to drive more to get places that is your choice and you should have to pay accordingly.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2019,4:09 am
^^ I see, drive the people to population centers, dictate behavior by taxing.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 22 2019,7:51 am
Ah, no. Its called free choice. You believe in capitalism. People paying their own way. So, why should people who live in rural areas, or people who drive more than others, not be required to pay more for the roads they use?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 22 2019,9:50 am
(was1 @ Feb. 22 2019,7:51 am)
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Ah, no. Its called free choice.
You believe in capitalism. People paying their own way. So, why should people who live in rural areas, or people who drive more than others, not be required to pay more for the roads they use?
You believe in capitalism. People paying their own way. So, why should people who live in rural areas, or people who drive more than others, not be required to pay more for the roads they use?
It would be a disproportionate tax and would be unconstitutional since those who drive more are already paying a tax since they must fill up more often.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 22 2019,10:03 am
Um no. If the "Gas Tax" goes away, and you use a mileage tax, then you are more proportionally paying for what you use. Now, if you have an EV you are paying no "gas tax" to use the roads. If you have a high efficiency vehicle and drive the same miles and someone who does not have as high an efficiency vehicle you are paying more to use the same.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2019,10:16 am
^* a tax going away? You really are a dunbass 
Taxes don’t go away, they’re added to, this is how our gov works.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 22 2019,12:58 pm
Boy - you just cant have a discussion on anything sans name calling and trying to bully.Looked to me like the whole point of this topic was to discuss alternative so the tax.
My bad. Whole point was for you just have one more topic to show who you really are in.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2019,2:05 pm
^^ are your feelings hurt? Awe, too bad. Put the big boy pants on.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 24 2019,8:37 pm
More trolling and atempted bullying
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,4:58 am
(was1 @ Feb. 24 2019,8:37 pm)
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More trolling and atempted bullying
I believe the word is “attempted “
Once again, it’s about that time of night
< https://youtu.be/4E9ydw_aDMg >
Degrees my ass
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,5:12 am
I guess Minnesota wants to be like California and Walz wants to be just like Brown.< https://www.americanthinker.com/blog....er.html >
I wonder what kind of moniker will be tagged to our governor?
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,7:49 am
Wow - good job finding another simple typo and running with it. I'm glad I'm able to make you feel better about yourself.Again - posting a blog from a far right extreme blog positing site that is has been overall rated as Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/pseudoscience, use of poor sources and failed fact checks. Great source.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,8:01 am
^^ I always feel good about myself👍It’s hard not to😁
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 25 2019,8:07 am
yeah you look good too
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,8:14 am
^^ jeezus😳Was that one of your “dates” last night?😜
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,11:59 am
Trolling, attempted bullying and insults again.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,12:13 pm
^^ stupidity, ass Clown behaviors, here we go again.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,12:32 pm
name calling. attempted insults. This site could take the names off of posts and everyone would still know yours.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,1:45 pm
^^ you don’t seem to like it so quit whining and do something about it. You claim a moral high ground but all you can do is bitch.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,2:11 pm
I am. I'm pointing out when you do these things. And I offered long ago to meet in person and discuss issues.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,2:30 pm
^^ yes meeting nutjobs, no Thankyou, nothing good will come of it.Any other non nut job ideas?
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,2:44 pm
You just know that you're tone would not be the same face to face with someone. you like to hide behind your screen
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,2:51 pm
^^no, meeting a creep like you is just plain a bad idea. I notice you hide behind the screen too.
Posted by was1 on Feb. 25 2019,2:54 pm
and yet I'm the one who's offered to meet. so guessing I'm not the one hiding.My guess is mommy wont let you out of the basement
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2019,2:56 pm
Yep, meeting and someone ends up taking the room temperature challenge No thankyou
Posted by Duck Hunter on Feb. 28 2019,1:51 pm
The spell checker needs a spell checkerjeezus - it’s Jesus
thankyou - it’s thank you
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2019,5:18 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2019,5:21 pm
😜Thankyou very much.
Posted by Duck Hunter on Feb. 28 2019,8:46 pm
Lol. I just couldn’t help myself for some reason. Came to just check in the posts here, pretty quiet.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2019,5:15 am
Wow< https://finance.yahoo.com/news....62.html >
Posted by was1 on Mar. 02 2019,8:53 am
Sadly we have been at or near the top for a long time. And will only be worse with the new federal tax rates and Minnesota’s failure to pass changes to our tax laws to match.
Trying to find something that also figures in property taxes and vehicle taxes.
What would be an interesting comparison is a study that takes a families info and then plops them into each state and compairs it all. Income, property, sales, gas, vehicle, etc.
Posted by usmcr on Mar. 02 2019,10:15 am
gas tax - what is the rationale behind it? if it is going to be used on the repair & or replacement of roads, bridges etc. then it would seem logical that the weight of the vehicle & the amount of mileage during the year would be applicable & not the price of the vehicle. is diesel fuel taxed the same as gas? just adding x number of cents to a gas tax does not make any sense as that does not take into account what is contributing to the wear & tear of the infrastructure. by adding just mileage would definitely hurt the rural areas & add to their further demise. how about taking the maintenance or new roads out of the general fund or the surplus taxes so that everyone pays without hitting the poor? density of population is another factor to consider. it seems logical to assume that the repair or replacement of roads in the higher metropolitan areas would be more frequent thus more expensive than the rural areas. perhaps a sliding scale tax would be appropriate?in closing i would appreciate constructive comments & not offhand remarks as these are not only offensive but non productive!
Posted by was1 on Mar. 02 2019,2:30 pm
In post 6 there is a link to the taxes. Looks like diesel is taxed the same as gas. Agree on vehicle size/weight as that is a contributing factor to road and bridge deterioration.
If people in the rural areas are driving more miles they should have to pay more for their maintenance.
And yes, more densely populated areas typically need more frequent road repairs as can be seen anytime you drive through the twin cities.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2019,5:39 pm
(was1 @ Mar. 02 2019,2:30 pm)
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In post 6 there is a link to the taxes. Looks like diesel is taxed the same as gas.
Agree on vehicle size/weight as that is a contributing factor to road and bridge deterioration.
Agree on vehicle size/weight as that is a contributing factor to road and bridge deterioration.
Yes, diesel is taxed the same as gas, thing is, big truck get far less mpg than cars, we also pay HVUT (heavy vehicle use tax). But go right ahead, raise fuel tax. The first thing all carriers will do, big and small is raise rates, which will be passed down the line till it ends up costing Joe citizen more.
Taxes are a bitch, aren’t they?
Posted by was1 on Mar. 02 2019,6:30 pm
No one here said to just raise the the fuel tax. Passing the taxes on. Kind of how tarrifs work.
Posted by usmcr on Mar. 02 2019,9:01 pm
thanks for clarifying the huvt tax on semi's, i was not aware of that! i think that we are all in agreement that something has to be done to repair the roads & bridges, but what form this takes is anyone's guess. i guess it all boils down to your damned if you do & damned if you don't. the big rigs haul most of the freight & like you said it will get passed on! there will be no winners on this deal & hopefully the rural areas will not be left out.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2019,3:29 pm
How magnanimous of Waltz 
He said he’d compromise at 16 cent gas tax
< https://minnesotanewsnetwork.com/in-budg....-gallon >
Posted by Expatriate on May 15 2019,6:37 am
^^how do the republicans plan to repair roads and bridges? oh yeah, let the bridges fall down and the roads revert to gravel!I remember trucks pulling 32' 36' trailers 42', was a long one.
now days 48' 53' are the standards, hammering the piss out of our roads—lay the tax on those who do the damage, truckers...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 15 2019,8:15 am
^^ no, about the same weights are hauled, 53’s just allow for more volume, 48’s are rarely used anymore. So you don’t lie the big bad trucks beating up your roads? Here’s a little secret for you, everything you use comes to you on a truck, food, clothes, anything plastic, the fuel for you Yugo, everything. Raise the fuel tax and it will just get passed down. Maybe quit putting money down the shithole for mass transit will fix the roads.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2019,5:32 pm
Well, hip hip hooray, no fuel tax increase.This time.