Topic: Subject: Rattlesnake Logic
started by: the breeze
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 05 2015,7:57 am
Subject: Rattlesnake Logic emailAs long as we insist on maintaining the "moral high ground", we will NEVER win the war on terrorism! We're in a conflict which we absolutely INSIST in playing by the rules - against a maniacal group who have NO rules!
Rattlesnake Logic in dealing with terrorists.
After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did. They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.
They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible.
The media is in a tizzy about this new era of homegrown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.
A Texan explained it:
Here in Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.
I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.
In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me;
I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.
I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful dialogue" with it. I just kill it. I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me.. I just kill them.
I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.
I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time.
Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.
Do I fear them? Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family? Yes!
And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them. As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
They have posted graphic videos on the internet showing them beheading Americans. They are serious. They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!
I love this country. It's the damn government I'm afraid of! Why?
Look who's new in the White House!
Arif Alikhan, Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Mohammed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser
Rashad Hussain, Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)
Salam al-Marayati, Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is its current executive director
Imam Mohamed Magid, Obama's Sharia Czar from the Islamic Society of North America
Eboo Patel, Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships
This is flat-out scary! The foxes are now officially living in the hen house... While Muslims openly murder us, Obama & the Democrats want gun control; they want to disarm us. Now ask me why I am very concerned! Do you feel OK with this? How can this happen? - and when will we wake up?
We are quiet while our country is being drastically changed!
ps. Muslims & radical Islam terrorists both want to kill us. The only difference is - the Muslims want the terrorists to do it
Posted by allergic to bogus on Dec. 19 2015,6:39 am
Indeed!!! 
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 19 2015,3:27 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 19 2015,4:32 pm
^^ oh come on boss, you're getting like me. 
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 19 2015,8:28 pm
What else can you say to GOP Islamaphobes?
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 19 2015,9:31 pm
Odds are that I'll die from choking on a bone in a Chicken McNugget before a radical kook has a chance..
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 19 2015,9:53 pm
You have a better chance of being run over by some unlicensed douche than you do of being killed by a terrorist.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 20 2015,3:35 am
Bernie said it right in the debate. When you invade other countries toppling dictators, extracting resources that enrich the powerful, and overturning stones there are unforseen consequences...like nationalists who feel threatened. The Marlboro man from Texas invades an environment. When creatures there attempt to defend territory he labels them "killers". No doubt a Republican.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 21 2015,1:30 pm
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Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 21 2015,1:53 pm
(stardust14 @ Dec. 20 2015,3:35 am)
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Bernie said it right in the debate. When you invade other countries toppling dictators, extracting resources that enrich the powerful, and overturning stones there are unforseen consequences...like nationalists who feel threatened. The Marlboro man from Texas invades an environment. When creatures there attempt to defend territory he labels them "killers". No doubt a Republican.
If only you would advocate for victims of illegal aliens and Muslim extremist with as much passion as you do when spewing your hatred of Republicans and Christians. That goes for the lot of you...you know who you are.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 22 2015,12:00 am
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 21 2015,1:53 pm)
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If only you would advocate for victims of illegal aliens and Muslim extremist with as much passion as you do when spewing your hatred of Republicans and Christians. That goes for the lot of you...you know who you are.
I didn't mention illegals or Muslims. You brought it up, which says much in itself.
When religions become politicized all you get is garbage.
There's no need to search far & wide for cruelty by so-called religious. Our own backyard has ample experience---school bullying, racism, domestic violence, ALDF. In no way does this observation ignore or absolve the cruelty of other religions. The failure to critique one's own beliefs, whether religious of political, only begs others to oblige. We know we are victims of religious extremists when we refuse to acknowledge the moderate narrative in those groups. Victims litter the local landscape.
Questioning the role of religion doesn't necessarily mean some spiritual collapse. Some religious folks would rather restrain their religious beliefs from the ugly world of politics. It's one difference between moderates and Fundamentalists. It's as if the Western religious right is begging for a fight. Now they got one. And the heaps of dead on both sides couldn't care less of paranoid righteous religious zealots.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 22 2015,12:27 pm
(stardust14 @ Dec. 22 2015,12:00 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Dec. 21 2015,1:53 pm)
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If only you would advocate for victims of illegal aliens and Muslim extremist with as much passion as you do when spewing your hatred of Republicans and Christians. That goes for the lot of you...you know who you are.
I didn't mention illegals or Muslims. You brought it up, which says much in itself.
I didn't say you mentioned them. That's my point...you didn't bring them up. Instead you prefer to rip on Republicans and Christians.
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When religions become politicized all you get is garbage.
There's no need to search far & wide for cruelty by so-called religious. Our own backyard has ample experience---school bullying, racism, domestic violence, ALDF. In no way does this observation ignore or absolve the cruelty of other religions. The failure to critique one's own beliefs, whether religious of political, only begs others to oblige. We know we are victims of religious extremists when we refuse to acknowledge the moderate narrative in those groups. Victims litter the local landscape.
There's no need to search far & wide for cruelty by so-called religious. Our own backyard has ample experience---school bullying, racism, domestic violence, ALDF. In no way does this observation ignore or absolve the cruelty of other religions. The failure to critique one's own beliefs, whether religious of political, only begs others to oblige. We know we are victims of religious extremists when we refuse to acknowledge the moderate narrative in those groups. Victims litter the local landscape.
The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter.
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Questioning the role of religion doesn't necessarily mean some spiritual collapse. Some religious folks would rather restrain their religious beliefs from the ugly world of politics. It's one difference between moderates and Fundamentalists. It's as if the Western religious right is begging for a fight. Now they got one. And the heaps of dead on both sides couldn't care less of paranoid righteous religious zealots.
Yeah...blame the Western religious right. Forgive those that don't back down to Islamic radicals. Those failing to see the danger puts us all at risk. pfft...
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 22 2015,2:34 pm
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 22 2015,12:27 pm)
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The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter.
So then why does this behavior exist? I would contend it's failure of ethical expression and values by everyone involved, including religious individuals. Not all bad behavior is expressed by atheists. To cherry pick good behavior---charity, responsibility, empathy,---as religious behavior, then absolve the same individuals when acting like monsters is a sham. Muslims act like monsters and you say it's religious. Christians act like monsters and you say it's secular behavior. I say both are using religion as a flag for good behavior; and an excuse for bad behavior.
At least Breeze realizes the prevalent falseness of modern religion.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,4:11 pm
We loathe ourselves. Secretly, perhaps, but nonetheless... If we truly loved ourselves, we'd want to spread that around. That doesn't happen much."Love thy neighbor," says the Bible. If you can't love yourself, well, fat chance of that happening. So we tear each other down, in some futile attempt at making ourselves look better. Balk at that all you want, but the evidence of it is everywhere.
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 22 2015,5:14 pm
Its been known for decades to stay clear of the middle east or sh!t will hit the fan..Some Americans will see excellent wages for building weapons to kill the enemy and make the rich even richer..
Why did President Bush invade and occupy Iraq in the first place?
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,5:18 pm
(alcitizens @ Dec. 22 2015,5:14 pm)
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Why did President Bush invade and occupy Iraq in the first place?
Money for his cronies. Everybody with half a brain knows that.
Next question...
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 22 2015,6:45 pm
(stardust14 @ Dec. 22 2015,2:34 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Dec. 22 2015,12:27 pm)
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The problem with your example is that school bullying, racism, and domestic violence are not done out of some religious ideology or in the name of any Allah, Buddha, God, Jesus or any god for that matter.
So then why does this behavior exist? I would contend it's failure of ethical expression and values by everyone involved, including religious individuals. Not all bad behavior is expressed by atheists. To cherry pick good behavior---charity, responsibility, empathy,---as religious behavior, then absolve the same individuals when acting like monsters is a sham. Muslims act like monsters and you say it's religious. Christians act like monsters and you say it's secular behavior. I say both are using religion as a flag for good behavior; and an excuse for bad behavior.
At least Breeze realizes the prevalent falseness of modern religion.
Bullying is an act of a stronger willed person preying upon a weaker person, pretty basic.
Moslem is a follower of islam, moslem isn't a race, so to point out monster-ish behavior of daesh due to religion isn't cherry picking, as they are being monsters because of their cultish ideology.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 22 2015,7:59 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 22 2015,6:45 pm)
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Moslem is a follower of islam, moslem isn't a race, so to point out monster-ish behavior of daesh due to religion isn't cherry picking, as they are being monsters because of their cultish ideology.
My mistake misusing the term Moslem.
Persons around the world use religions as a tool for all sorts of reasons, not the least being to cloak their dark side. Weekly absolution of this darkness gives them false impressions, cushioning consequences for bad behavior.
As far as bullying. I would say it takes a strong will not to bully, not capitulating to our dark side. Bullying is a cinch. Happens all the time, everywhere. Here. It's a trap I try to avoid.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 22 2015,8:17 pm
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 22 2015,4:11 pm)
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We loathe ourselves. Secretly, perhaps, but nonetheless... If we truly loved ourselves, we'd want to spread that around. That doesn't happen much.
"Love thy neighbor," says the Bible. If you can't love yourself, well, fat chance of that happening. So we tear each other down, in some futile attempt at making ourselves look better. Balk at that all you want, but the evidence of it is everywhere.
"Love thy neighbor," says the Bible. If you can't love yourself, well, fat chance of that happening. So we tear each other down, in some futile attempt at making ourselves look better. Balk at that all you want, but the evidence of it is everywhere.
A breath of fresh air from outside the political sandbox.
Posted by Liberal on Dec. 22 2015,9:31 pm
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Bullying is an act of a stronger willed person preying upon a weaker person, pretty basic.
Like Israel and Palestine?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 22 2015,9:58 pm
(Liberal @ Dec. 22 2015,9:31 pm)
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Bullying is an act of a stronger willed person preying upon a weaker person, pretty basic.
Like Israel and Palestine?
Palestine was never a nation, it was a geographic area that belonged to the ottoman empire in Turkey.
And how is Israel being a bully by actions of self preservation from an onslaught of continuous attacks, meeting force with force or counterattacking isn't bullish behavior.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,11:34 pm
Tell us again how much you hate the U.N.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 23 2015,12:21 am
(alcitizens @ Dec. 22 2015,5:14 pm)
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Its been known for decades to stay clear of the middle east or sh!t will hit the fan..
Meanwhile Israel leans back and sips another Sahlav. Let the Americans and others take their turn in creating heaps of dead.
Western religious right zealots toast Israel in a job well done. Crusades by proxy.