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Topic: State of the Union speech
started by: Self-Banished

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,6:08 am

Any thoughts?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 28 2014,7:56 am

Blah blah blah Republican obstructionism blah blah blah economy improving blah blah blah progressive agenda...

I have an equally dim view of Turtleface McConnell and Boner Bohner's rhetoric...

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,8:03 am

But what of income inequality :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 28 2014,8:19 am

It's all spin and damage control, now, setting up the inevitable Hillary run in 2016. As George Will put it so eloquently Sunday, "Fish have got to swim. Birds have got to fly, and Clintons have to run for office. It's what they do. It's a metabolic urge. That's all they've done their entire life is borrow money from rich people to seek public office."

You don't have to choose sides when both sides are screwed up this badly. Who wants to go into a voting booth and think, "Which alternative do I dislike the least?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 28 2014,9:38 am

There was a speech?
What did the liar in chief spew about this time?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,9:53 am

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,9:38 am)

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There was a speech?
What did the liar in chief spew about this time?

It's tonight, watch closely, he might say something important, but I doubt it.

Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 28 2014,10:51 am

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,9:53 am)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,9:38 am)

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There was a speech?
What did the liar in chief spew about this time?

It's tonight, watch closely, he might say something important, but I doubt it.

He will say "I" 50 or more times.

Most important is what he won't say or talk about.

1. National debt (17.3 trillion/6.6 of it his)

2. Benghazi

3. IRS scandal

4. 92 million Americans now out of the workforce

5. 10.4 Million: The number of People unemployed at the end of Obama’s fifth year as President

6. 7.8 Million: The number of underemployed people working

7. 48 million people made dependent on food stamps/19.4
of which joined since Obama took office

8. illegal aliens or illegal immigrants

9. If you like your health care plan, you can keep it

10. Trust me

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,11:49 am

Well aren't you just a negative nellie :sarcasm:

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 28 2014,2:30 pm

Just cuz it's negative doesn't mean it isn't untrue...

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 28 2014,2:43 pm

As a rule if MD posts it, it's most likely BS he heard on talk radio or from some moron in Iowa.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 28 2014,3:00 pm

Obama goes around the obstructionists signs an executive order setting the minimum wage for workers under new federal contracts at $10.10 an hour.

You brainwashed obstructionists who bitch about government giveaways ever consider if everyone made a living wage welfare would disappear!

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,3:07 pm

(Liberal @ Jan. 28 2014,2:43 pm)

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As a rule if MD posts it, it's most likely BS he heard on talk radio or from some moron in Iowa.

Exactly what did he post that's BS?

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 28 2014,3:13 pm

What wasn't?

Are you going to post edited quotes again to make it look like he's not full of BS?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 28 2014,3:14 pm

(Expatriate @ Jan. 28 2014,3:00 pm)

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What is a liveable wage? Who defines it?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 28 2014,3:21 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:14 pm)

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(Expatriate @ Jan. 28 2014,3:00 pm)

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What is a liveable wage? Who defines it?

What Constitutional authority does he have to do this?

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 28 2014,3:38 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:14 pm)

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What is a liveable wage? Who defines it?

A living wage should be high enough to keep the worker off Government assistant.

Why should OUR tax dollars subsidize low wage employers!

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 28 2014,3:43 pm

(Expatriate @ Jan. 28 2014,3:38 pm)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:14 pm)

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What is a liveable wage? Who defines it?

A living wage should be high enough to keep the worker off Government assistant.

Why should OUR tax dollars subsidize low wage employers!

Do all jobs qualify? What if you are retired and want to work at wal-mart as a greeter? Should wal-mart be foreced to pay you a 'living wage' even though you don't need it since you are not on gov't assistance?
I'm not against what you are saying with subsidizing those on assistance, but I think the issue much more complex than just raising the minimum wage.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 28 2014,4:10 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:43 pm)

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Do all jobs qualify?

Poverty doesn't discriminate neither should a living wage.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 28 2014,4:11 pm

(Expatriate @ Jan. 28 2014,3:38 pm)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:14 pm)

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What is a liveable wage? Who defines it?

A living wage should be high enough to keep the worker off Government assistant.

Why should OUR tax dollars subsidize low wage employers!

Our tax dollars shouldn't be used for any type of subsidizing, PERIOD!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,4:17 pm

(Expatriate @ Jan. 28 2014,4:10 pm)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 28 2014,3:43 pm)

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Do all jobs qualify?

Poverty doesn't discriminate neither should a living wage.

So at what level of living would be acceptable? Enough to support one's self, no others? Or a family of three or four?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,5:46 pm

Try this

< http://m.wikihow.com/Live-on-Minimum-Wage >

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 28 2014,6:26 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,6:08 am)

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Any thoughts?

These type of speeches are pretty uneventful, but I think I'll check it out anyway. I'll watch it live unless I'm in the garage fighting with the car again.

I'm sure they'll have someone from the Republicans offer a rebuttal after Obama is done. So we'll hear the agenda and talking points of both sides.

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 28 2014,6:46 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Jan. 28 2014,3:21 pm)

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What Constitutional authority does he have to do this?

When Jefferson wanted to buy the Lousiana territory (the Lousiana Purchase) they argued the same thing. "Where in the Constitution does he have this authority." If they had their way we'd be standing on French soil.

I use to view this topic the same as you, G.D. But even the most conservative people tend to throw out the Constitution when they want a new defense program or a new law enforcement tool to crack down on [insert crime epidemic here].

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Our tax dollars shouldn't be used for any type of subsidizing, PERIOD!

Have you told your kids to wheel you off a cliff when you need elder care?

Most nursing home and hospice care in this country is subsidized by the taxpayer. I doubt the conservatives of the forum will have enough in savings or insurance to cover the tab.

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,7:59 pm

(Liberal @ Jan. 28 2014,3:13 pm)

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What wasn't?

Are you going to post edited quotes again to make it look like he's not full of BS?

Can't dispute any of it so...
Let's attack the poster...
How very liberal of you!

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,8:09 pm

He'll toss blame!!
Tap himself on the shoulder...
Push poverty...
Explain away & disregard low poll numbers...
Place the focus on anything & anyone else!

The left media will be drooling...
Its like now the media is attacking anyone who dislikes or disagrees with Hillary...now they're pushing this war on women agenda! Like when anyone disliked Obamas polices were called racist!!!

See a pattern!!!

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,8:10 pm

I wonder how many prompters he'll need???

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,8:18 pm

Wow...he's obvious...did ya see his greet to Eric Cantor!!

Posted by grassman on Jan. 28 2014,9:29 pm

(Santorini @ Jan. 28 2014,8:18 pm)

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Wow...he's obvious...did ya see his greet to Eric Cantor!!

He didn't kick him in the nads, did he. I would! After I b!tch slapped his pompous face. Just kidding! :blush:

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 28 2014,10:57 pm

(grassman @ Jan. 28 2014,9:29 pm)

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(Santorini @ Jan. 28 2014,8:18 pm)

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Wow...he's obvious...did ya see his greet to Eric Cantor!!

He didn't kick him in the nads, did he. I would! After I b!tch slapped his pompous face. Just kidding! :blush:

Seeing how he snuggled with that blond, Denmark's prime
minister at Mandela's funeral taking selfies....one would think he could greet a fellow elected official without displaying such obvious arrogance! But he really isn't a person of etiquette anyway!

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 29 2014,2:52 am

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,5:46 pm)

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Try this

< http://m.wikihow.com/Live-on-Minimum-Wage >

That is probably the most out of touch unrealistic article ever written. No idiot could possibly think these numbers or the advice given would work in the real world. It should titled "How to Maybe,Barely Exist on Minimum Wage".

Good grief, they even recommend for one to go ON government assistance!

Maybe they should have added, robbing a liquor store, making meth, selling a kidney, or prostituting yourself. These things all make about as much sense. :rofl:

Bottom line: Current minimum wage= Corporate welfare. Pure and simple.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2014,4:53 am

(Moparman @ Jan. 29 2014,2:52 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,5:46 pm)

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Try this

< http://m.wikihow.com/Live-on-Minimum-Wage >

Bottom line: Current minimum wage= Corporate welfare. Pure and simple.

When I was first out of school I had roommates, no car but I made a little more than minimum. I had a bike and extra money to burn because I had a full time job plus two part time jobs. It can be done.

As far as your other suggestions? I didn't have to because I wasn't a dumbass and go out a knock up some trailer park queen.

Prostitution? Nope, that's union people.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2014,4:58 am

(grassman @ Jan. 28 2014,9:29 pm)

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(Santorini @ Jan. 28 2014,8:18 pm)

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Wow...he's obvious...did ya see his greet to Eric Cantor!!

He didn't kick him in the nads, did he. I would! After I b!tch slapped his pompous face. Just kidding! :blush:

Why not? Maybe we should have a few slobberknockers. I bet we wouldn't have so many lawyers in there.

Brock Lesnar for senate. :thumbsup:

Posted by Memphis on Jan. 29 2014,9:03 am

I talked with some state reps on this last Aug. It really doesnt matter what the wage is if people are not looking for jobs. Many companies in the area offer a starting wage higher then 10.50/hr and yet nobody is knocking the doors down to apply. I was at an hiring event a few days ago. I was there for 5 hours and had 6 people come in. 1 I had let go from a different job. 1 who showed up for 1 day and never came back, 1 who could not read or write or even interview, but was able to answer her phone 4 times during the interview process. This is pretty much the norm. 50% might make it to the next step of the hiring process. Then comes the drugscreen, I'll lose 1 there so maybe 2 out of that 6 have a shot. Many times I have offered someone a position and they turn it down stating they'll just stay on the Presidents vacation. When we make the system nicer then it is to work we have an issue, and kids... We have an issue.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 29 2014,9:30 am

The government jumps in and specifies the minimum price for gasoline and cigarettes, and nobody bats an eyelash. Why all the furor over minimum wage?

It should be no less than $10.00 per hour.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 29 2014,10:07 am

(Memphis @ Jan. 29 2014,9:03 am)

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If they turn down a job that is close to what they used to make, they have to take it or lose their benefits. Turn them in.

Posted by Memphis on Jan. 29 2014,10:25 am

I have, and when I asked the reps and the UI office on the procedure to do this, none of them had a clue if they even had a procedure. So when the people who make the laws and hand out UI have no clue how to manage it. We have an issue. The one rep was amazed that this type of abuse is happening. As another HR manager behind me said" come on, its been going on for years".

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 29 2014,10:37 am

(Botto 82 @ Jan. 29 2014,9:30 am)

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The government jumps in and specifies the minimum price for gasoline and cigarettes, and nobody bats an eyelash. Why all the furor over minimum wage?

It should be no less than $10.00 per hour.

I'm not so sure the gov't sets the price of gas. There are taxes that technically set the minimum. Plus MN has a law that says retailers cannot sell gas below a certain percentage/price below cost.
This was to keep large retailer from pricing out the smaller stores. Been on the books since the 30s as I recall. But then again my memory isn't what it used to be.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 29 2014,10:51 am

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

Tom Perkins says the rich are "threatened."

The tech venture capitalist initially compared the assault on the wealthy to a wave of Nazi attacks on Jews ahead of the Holocaust, in a letter this past weekend. He has since allowed that the comparison went too far, but he doesn't apologize for the overall message and his warning about anti-rich "radicalism."
The rich are under attack, says Perkins in a Bloomberg interview, by "higher taxes, higher regulation and so forth." He added: "We are beginning to engage in class warfare."

The sentiment is not new (and neither are the Hitler references).

First came Steve Schwarzman of the Blackstone Group in 2010. There had been a proposal to raise the tax rate on some big investors, and Schwarzman compared the idea to "Hitler invading Poland in 1939."
Former GE CEO Jack Welch has written about efforts to "demonize" business.

But here are some facts about how the rich are doing:

1) Income for the rich is way up.

Income for the top 1% grew an estimated 31.4% from 2009 to 2012. The bottom 99% saw a gain of 0.4%.

2) The stock market is way up

The Dow has roughly doubled since January 2009. The middle class benefit somewhat from the gains, but it's the rich that benefit the most.

3) Tax rates on the rich are not way up

The rich have undoubtedly been subject to a fair amount of tax hikes recently.

Households with income above $250,000 will pay a 0.9% surtax for Medicare, plus an additional 3.8% on at least some of their investment income. Some of their deductions have also been reduced.

Households making above $400,000 ($450,000 if married) now pay a top income tax rate of 39.6%, up from 35% under Bush, but the same as during the Clinton years.

Those same high earners have to pay 20% on dividends and capital gains, up from 15%.

Meanwhile, the exemption on the federal estate tax stands at a generous $5 million per person.

But the rich crying class warfare need to think about what could have been if the far left had their way:

Nationalizing the banks: If that had happened, JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon would not have just gotten a $20 million payday.

Dividends taxed at ordinary income rates: That would have meant a rate of 39.6%, which would have hit wealthy investors much harder than the current structure.

Higher carried interest tax rates for private equity investors: This is the tax Schwarzman was worried about. Some fees paid to investment managers are taxed as investments, but many think their fees are just ordinary income and should be taxed at the much higher income rates.

The "Buffett Rule:" That would have ensured that millionaires paid a minimum of 30% of their taxable income to the federal government. Fact is, even with the increase in the top tax rate, most wealthy people pay an "effective rate" of far less.

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 29 2014,12:49 pm

(Memphis @ Jan. 29 2014,9:03 am)

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You're not paying enough, the old saying "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" is still as true as ever.

I hear plenty complain about "people these days, entitlement attitude", etc. Then you ask what they pay. Often the ones who complain the loudest answer that they start at minimum wage, maybe $8 or $9 an hour with no benefits. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys...

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 29 2014,12:54 pm

(Botto 82 @ Jan. 29 2014,9:30 am)

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The government jumps in and specifies the minimum price for gasoline and cigarettes, and nobody bats an eyelash. Why all the furor over minimum wage?

It should be no less than $10.00 per hour.

You are thinking of overburden-some regulations.
The govt does not set the price of tobacco nor gasoline, both are set by the market, some states have laws on the books as to what percentage of said market price that gasoline shall be set at, I have never seen a mandated regulated percentage price for tobacco.

Flipping burgers / paper delivery, etc., is now worth $10.00 /hr? Unskilled labor is to be treated as skilled labor now?

Posted by Memphis on Jan. 29 2014,1:00 pm

10.50 with full benifits compared to staying home and living off the system?

How do you even compare that? maybe I'm just looking at this different, but if you are offered a full time job with benifits and you are living off the system, how can you refuse a job, and how can you back this person up?

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 29 2014,1:24 pm

Every year the donks claim to be fighting the war on poverty on behalf of the poor. Every year the donks add more and more entitlement programs, yet our poverty rates have remained roughly the same since the 1960's despite our expenditures having risen from around $25 billion in the 60's to over $500 billion today.

The donks have been exacerbating the problem of poverty with miriad of entitlement programs they have passed since Johnson's War on Poverty began. The 700+ entitlement programs on the books to assist those in poverty are designed to ensure reliance on the government rather than self, leaving little incentive to change...generation after generation. The entitlement programs were not designed as an incentive for the poor to move out of poverty but for selfish political reasons of the liberal elite...nuff said.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 29 2014,1:34 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 29 2014,4:53 am)

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(Moparman @ Jan. 29 2014,2:52 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,5:46 pm)

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Try this

< http://m.wikihow.com/Live-on-Minimum-Wage >

Bottom line: Current minimum wage= Corporate welfare. Pure and simple.

Really? So how much was your rent, food, utilities, taxes, etc, as a percentage for your income way back in the day? What you so obviously fail to realize is that the minimum basic cost of living has increased exponentially as compared to wages. It's unsustainable, and it's why we are in the train wreck we are today. All these "back in the day" stories are meaningless because costs were more in line with income at the time. That same dollar back then bought a whole lot more than that same dollar does today.

I don't know much about " trailer park queens" or prostitutes, but it sounds like you seem to be an expert on them. :rofl:

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 29 2014,1:40 pm

There are jobs out there... one just has to look...
BUT too many want M-F...no nights weekends or holidays. When one is that picky...of course they will refuse jobs!

Its like the student loan fiasco...
I know one young person, recently married, new home, new baby, new job...complaining incessantly about high student loan debt..high payments etc., the unfairness...
Only after few drinks did she admit she's 120,000 in student loan debt! Thing is she has a 2 year degree as an ultrasound tech....she didn't work in those 2 years...bought a new car...furnished a new apartment... parents cosigned loans... and now its time to pay back but its the system that's unfair!!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2014,2:31 pm

(Moparman @ Jan. 29 2014,1:34 pm)

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I don't know much about " trailer park queens" or prostitutes, but it sounds like you seem to be an expert on them. :rofl:

Oh sure you do, just look around, you're quite educated. You and all your little buddies at work are prostitudes and people like Richard Trumka are your pimp.

I just find it sad that you don't realize it.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 29 2014,2:34 pm

Can a union person ask for a refund of their 2013 contributions? And what happens if they no longer want to be in a union? Times are tough out here. The LP tank needs to get filled and that money could be used to fill it.

Posted by Memphis on Jan. 29 2014,2:40 pm

You would be what I think they call "fair shared". You pay a percent in but really have no benifits. It is really almost better to pay the litle above fair share and have the backing if needed. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 29 2014,5:34 pm

I remember a big mac, fries, and a coke for $.99. Has wages kept up with todays cost?

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 29 2014,6:18 pm

If you're having a problem finding good help maybe the workforce isn't the problem. :dunno:

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 29 2014,7:29 pm

(Common Citizen @ Jan. 29 2014,2:34 pm)

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If they really don't want their union job they are free to quit and find something better. Simple as that. As far as LP goes I guess all the non union folks can go and get fuel assistance.
My union dues are about 1/100th of my pay. Won't buy much LP with that refund.

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 29 2014,11:09 pm

(Memphis @ Jan. 29 2014,1:00 pm)

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10.50 with full benifits compared to staying home and living off the system?

No, I didn't compare anything. You posted saying "the wage doesn't matter" and I'm telling you it most certainly does. Supply and demand, if $10.50 doesn't cut it, then raise it to $12. If $12 doesn't... Otherwise you take the good (paying lower wages) with the bad (dealing with a high turnover).

Posted by alcitizens on Jan. 29 2014,11:39 pm

CEO Tillerson from Exxon Mobil made $40 million in 2012, CEO Kent from Coca Cola made $30 million in 2012..

< http://www.aflcio.org/Corpora...id-CEOs >

$10 an hour? :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,12:34 am

(alcitizens @ Jan. 29 2014,11:39 pm)

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CEO Tillerson from Exxon Mobil made $40 million in 2012, CEO Kent from Coca Cola made $30 million in 2012..

< http://www.aflcio.org/Corpora...id-CEOs >

$10 an hour? :rofl:

Some people are more aggressive, some people get out of bed in the morning and take on the world

Some are stuttering clods like you and whine.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 30 2014,5:30 am

Oh please. Do you really think they are that aggressive? Man have you been blind sided. :laugh:

I am the CEO, CFO, head of maintenance, head of accounting, head of marketing, head of labor, and chief financial backer. Now that is pretty aggressive. I want my $20,000,000. :cool:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,5:51 am

(grassman @ Jan. 30 2014,5:30 am)

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Oh please. Do you really think they are that aggressive? Man have you been blind sided. :laugh:

I know this,
Rich customers pay their bills
Poor customers bounce checks

So you're trying to tell me that there are no lazy, unmotivated people out there?and there are no driven, successful people either?

Minimum wage is not meant to raise a family on, if you're in your 30's and are still making min. then you might want to sit down and reflect back on your life and figure out what you did wrong. Whining about it will get you nowhere(unless you're a democrat/progressive and you whine to the abomination of a president we have)

And you call me "blindsided"?

Posted by grassman on Jan. 30 2014,6:07 am

(grassman @ Jan. 30 2014,5:30 am)

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Oh please. Do you really think they are that aggressive? Man have you been blind sided. :laugh:

I am the CEO, CFO, head of maintenance, head of accounting, head of marketing, head of labor, and chief financial backer. Now that is pretty aggressive. I want my $20,000,000. :cool:

...oh yeah, head of security also.

Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 30 2014,9:10 am

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As a rule if MD posts it, it's most likely BS he heard on talk radio or from some moron in Iowa.

Sorry, don't listen to talk radio.

Even a moron can understand that Bambino has been leading the sheep down the wrong path by now.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 30 2014,11:28 am

(alcitizens @ Jan. 29 2014,11:39 pm)

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CEO Tillerson from Exxon Mobil made $40 million in 2012, CEO Kent from Coca Cola made $30 million in 2012..

< http://www.aflcio.org/Corpora...id-CEOs >

$10 an hour? :rofl:

Seriously. Go to your kitchen and find the dullest, most blunt instrument you can find.

Look at it.

Study it.

Now...this item that you are staring at is still sharper than you.

Let's put this in perspective. Coke has over 900 plants world wide employing over 150,000 people. What kind of economic impact do you think this company has on families and communities around the world. Think about the awesome responsibilities the management has to ensure this company stays in business.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,11:31 am

(grassman @ Jan. 30 2014,6:07 am)

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(grassman @ Jan. 30 2014,5:30 am)

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Oh please. Do you really think they are that aggressive? Man have you been blind sided. :laugh:

I am the CEO, CFO, head of maintenance, head of accounting, head of marketing, head of labor, and chief financial backer. Now that is pretty aggressive. I want my $20,000,000. :cool:

...oh yeah, head of security also.

And I'm not?

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 30 2014,12:04 pm

(MADDOG @ Jan. 30 2014,9:10 am)

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As a rule if MD posts it, it's most likely BS he heard on talk radio or from some moron in Iowa.

Sorry, don't listen to talk radio.

Even a moron can understand that Bambino has been leading the sheep down the wrong path by now.

How is it that pill popping pervert Rush Limpbaugh has 20 million listeners when every conservative I know swears they don't listen to him?

And just because you don't like the direction the country is moving in it doesn't mean it's the wrong direction.

Love it, or leave it.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 30 2014,12:26 pm

(Liberal @ Jan. 30 2014,12:04 pm)

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Love it, or leave it.

It's not either/or. You can work to change it too.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,12:35 pm

(Liberal @ Jan. 30 2014,12:04 pm)

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(MADDOG @ Jan. 30 2014,9:10 am)

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As a rule if MD posts it, it's most likely BS he heard on talk radio or from some moron in Iowa.

Sorry, don't listen to talk radio.

Even a moron can understand that Bambino has been leading the sheep down the wrong path by now.

Wow, that seems to be the standard answer of Expat and Alky. Now from you Lib, blaming Rush Limbo, kind of scaping the bottom of the barrel for lame excuses now.

Love it or leave it? Nope I'll have to join the change it crowd.

Posted by Santorini on Jan. 30 2014,5:37 pm

(irisheyes @ Jan. 29 2014,12:49 pm)

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(Memphis @ Jan. 29 2014,9:03 am)

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I thought the minimum wage type jobs were typically PT, no benefits, & were originally for the youth to gain training, experience, in preparation for higher paying positions or advancement?
That's why they are typically lower paying, service type jobs?
How is a restaurant suppose to keeps prices favorable to the public & pay wait staff $10 or more $$ an hour!!

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 31 2014,2:26 am

You thought wrong, next time someone is bagging your groceries or waiting on your table there's a good likelihood they're middle aged or older. For them there isn't a likelihood of advancing much higher than the min wage. There's plenty who blame the workers themselves for the low pay, but when the factory laid them off or their spouse left them with kids to support many of them didn't have better prospects to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. That's why we should raise it, even better would be to index it to keep pace with inflation/cost of living.

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How is a restaurant suppose to keeps prices favorable to the public & pay wait staff $10 or more $$ an hour!!

Limbaugh says everything in your post, almost verbatim. "Min wage jobs are just kids, gaining experience for advancement..." Don't believe the hype, it's been proven wrong again and again.

I remember when they raised the min wage to $5.15 the pundits gave the same reasons why not to. They thought the price of a happy meal was going to skyrocket if we raised the minimum wage to $5.15 an hour. :laugh:

Obviously none of those things happened. And it'll give the REAL job creators a chance to spur growth with more buying power.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2014,5:44 am

^ you need to quit listening to that Limbo guy, you'll rot your brain!

I find this funny that a lot of the libs on this forum quote or cite Limbaugh often when attacking the more sane thinking folk here.

So which is IE? Do you have a radio playing on the shelf above the sink where you're scrubbing dishes? Or an earpiece while you're welcoming people to Walmart? The job is worth what the job pays no more, no less. If a guy working a job has his wife tell him she's pregnant, can he automatically go to his boss and tell him he has to be paid more now because of his growing family? No, not unless he's going to offer more value for his wage. It's the same with the woman with kids who's hubby left her, I feel bad for her but it's not my problem or responsibility to take care of her.

This feel bad mentality for other peoples bad decisions at the expense of others is a bunch of bullsh!t. We need to stop this for then the bad choices will stop.

If you can't feed 'em Don't breed 'em.

Incidentally the only time I see any place bagging groceries is some school group raising $ for something, I gladly throw a few bucks.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 31 2014,5:58 am

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,12:26 pm)

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(Liberal @ Jan. 30 2014,12:04 pm)

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Love it, or leave it.

It's not either/or. You can work to change it too.

Kind of like the ones that are trying to raise the minimum wage, right? :oops:

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 31 2014,8:10 am

(grassman @ Jan. 31 2014,5:58 am)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,12:26 pm)

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(Liberal @ Jan. 30 2014,12:04 pm)

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Love it, or leave it.

It's not either/or. You can work to change it too.

Kind of like the ones that are trying to raise the minimum wage, right? :oops:

Yes. That is the point of how it is supposed to work.
There are those that are working against that notion.
That is what made this country great. Now we have the liar in chief threatening that he has a pen and he's not afraid to use it.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 31 2014,11:51 am

(irisheyes @ Jan. 31 2014,2:26 am)

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How is a restaurant suppose to keeps prices favorable to the public & pay wait staff $10 or more $$ an hour!!

Obviously none of those things happened. And it'll give the REAL job creators a chance to spur growth with more buying power.

Everyone's a victim. :deadhorse:

It's exhausting.

Posted by alcitizens on Jan. 31 2014,6:39 pm

(Common Citizen @ Jan. 30 2014,11:28 am)

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(alcitizens @ Jan. 29 2014,11:39 pm)

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CEO Tillerson from Exxon Mobil made $40 million in 2012, CEO Kent from Coca Cola made $30 million in 2012..

< http://www.aflcio.org/Corpora...id-CEOs >

$10 an hour? :rofl:

I now know that you have no common sense or maybe no sense at all..

Many of the countries Coke is made, the employees can earn less than $3.00 a day..

Coke has been around for nearly a century and could function for at least the next two years with one of the 150,000 employees making $25,000 a year, OK I'll add a $5000 bonus if he can screw the employees out of higher wages and benefits..

$30 million salary makes no sense.. Just like you have no sense.. :crazy:

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 31 2014,11:15 pm

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Let's put this in perspective. Coke has over 900 plants world wide employing over 150,000 people. What kind of economic impact do you think this company has on families and communities around the world. Think about the awesome responsibilities the management has to ensure this company stays in business.

I know they have to pay Washington lobbyists insane amounts of money so their poisons can stay on the market. I imagine once you achieve that, the big CEO salary is inevitable. Because paying off the FDA, an agency once commissioned to look beyond such fiscal matters and actually make decisions based on the well-being of U.S. citizens, is expensive. And if that's the level we have to take it to to make it in today's more dog-eat-dog-than-ever world, we're raising yet another generation of a-holes.

Anybody with half a brain can see that the current economic trends indicate that mega-corporations will continue to grow and absorb everything in their paths, until it's one or two left. And how are you going to differentiate between the wishes of the corporate and what your government does then?

Those of you touting the whole being more aggressive philosophy need to stop embracing this nonsense, and go spend some time with your kids, and stop thinking of yourselves as temporarily-distressed millionaires. And pick up a lottery ticket on the way home. Your chances are better there.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 01 2014,9:08 am

I don't begrudge a person for rising to the ranks of CEO. In fact, I don't begrudge anyone for making more money than me unlike the others in this thread.

If you want to start a business out of your garage and grow it into a multinational conglomerate, then so be it. I don't care.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 01 2014,9:13 am

(alcitizens @ Jan. 31 2014,6:39 pm)

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(Common Citizen @ Jan. 30 2014,11:28 am)

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(alcitizens @ Jan. 29 2014,11:39 pm)

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CEO Tillerson from Exxon Mobil made $40 million in 2012, CEO Kent from Coca Cola made $30 million in 2012..

< http://www.aflcio.org/Corpora...id-CEOs >

$10 an hour? :rofl:

Or Coke could just pull out of those countries and then employees can earn $0 instead of $3 a day, to use your example.

So the CEO makes 30 million. What's it to you? You made your choices and he made his from a career standpoint.

Stop playing the victim. Sheesh... :frusty:

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 01 2014,9:55 am

(Common Citizen @ Feb. 01 2014,9:13 am)

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Stop playing the victim.

Seems the only ones playing victim around here are the ones crying about subsidies for the poor, and how it's making such a huge negative impact on their quality of life, and so forth.

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 01 2014,10:07 am

Gotta love the numbers.

According to Nielsen, who has been tracking TV viewership since 1992 for the SOTU address, Bambino's numbers have been falling.

Here are Obama's State of the Union viewership numbers by year:

2009: 52.4 million

2010: 48 million

2011: 42.8 million

2012: 37.8 million

2013: 33.5 million

2014: 33.3 million

The docudrama, 'Lizzy Borden Took an Ax' shown on Lifetime last week had more viewers.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2014,10:45 am

(irisheyes @ Jan. 31 2014,2:26 am)

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How is a restaurant suppose to keeps prices favorable to the public & pay wait staff $10 or more $$ an hour!!

Obviously none of those things happened. And it'll give the REAL job creators a chance to spur growth with more buying power.

She can’t help it, she has a fetish for obese men!

Why the Republicans would kowtow to this draft dodging drug addicted wind bag is beyond me.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2014,3:14 pm

(Expatriate @ Feb. 01 2014,10:45 am)

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Why the Republican’s would kowtow to this draft dodging drug addicted wind bag is beyond me.

There are so many things beyond you :dunce: