Topic: The Misery of the Liberal Mind
started by: the breeze
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 14 2013,9:31 am
The Misery of the Liberal MindWritten By : Susan Brown
December 14, 2013
The liberal mind, writes Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr. in his book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness,” views the world through the prism of “pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice” for people who are “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited.”
< http://www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/the-misery-of-the-liberal-mind/ >
Of course, these “victims” bear zero responsibility for their plight, have no control over the rising waters of their circumstances, and must sit on the rooftop of their despair waiting for their government savior to rescue them. Liberals believe any malady known to man has nothing to do with poor choices, bad judgment or weak character. Instead it’s the fault of capitalism, discrimination, global warming, white people, conservatism, big corporations, Christianity, the wealthy, Bush 43, Reagan….and so on.With that kind
Posted by pepi-lapew on Dec. 15 2013,5:10 pm
Amen BREEZE I do think your 100% correct! 
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm
Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 15 2013,11:52 pm
^ sounds a bit pious, the Bible also says alot about being slothful. I have no problem with helping the deserved but when it's taken from me by gunpoint I start getting a little resentful.
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 16 2013,12:20 am
^Gunpoint? Unless your accountant has some unorthodox business practices, you're being melodramatic. As usual, this comes down to you not wanting to pay taxes.Seems hypocritical, since you spend your days wrecking the roads the rest of us collectively pay to maintain, then complain when it's time to pay your share.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 16 2013,5:00 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
The Christian Coalition right wing Conservatives of the Westboro Baptist Church reflect the true nature of Repulitard Christianity.
unfortunately Nietzsche was correct.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 16 2013,5:15 am
(irisheyes @ Dec. 16 2013,12:20 am)
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^Gunpoint? Unless your accountant has some unorthodox business practices, you're being melodramatic. As usual, this comes down to you not wanting to pay taxes.
Seems hypocritical, since you spend your days wrecking the roads the rest of us collectively pay to maintain, then complain when it's time to pay your share.
Seems hypocritical, since you spend your days wrecking the roads the rest of us collectively pay to maintain, then complain when it's time to pay your share.
I pay my taxes and usually my nose hurts afterwards. The percentages we pay in taxes and the waste that goes on in our gov. Is ludicrous.
Don't like the big trucks tearing up the road? Raise the road tax, I'm sure the costs will be passed along accordingly
Posted by the breeze on Dec. 17 2013,9:17 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 17 2013,10:06 am
(the breeze @ Dec. 17 2013,9:17 am)
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The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
Oh great, a guy who was demented (literally suffering from dementia) for most of his second term is lecturing liberals on knowledge?
S.B.
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I pay my taxes and usually my nose hurts afterwards.
I don't doubt that. But it's that way for a reason, you want infrastructure, national security, a safety net for the old, and police who show up when you call? You gotta pay for it.
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The percentages we pay in taxes and the waste that goes on in our gov. Is ludicrous.
I used to believe all that stuff too about how the waste was the culprit. Then we vote in Bush and Pawlenty, the waste turned out to be roads, schools, and nursing homes. If you call animal control to report a stray it won't matter because the pound doesn't exist anymore; they laid off the dog catcher and the meter maid. I stopped going to the library because they were always closed after the "waste" was trimmed.
Keep trying, eventually your nursing home assistant will be too busy to respond but it won't matter because your buzzer broke and they laid off the maintenance guy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 17 2013,11:21 am
(irisheyes @ Dec. 17 2013,10:06 am)
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(the breeze @ Dec. 17 2013,9:17 am)
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The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
Oh great, a guy who was demented (literally suffering from dementia) for most of his second term is lecturing liberals on knowledge?
S.B.
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I pay my taxes and usually my nose hurts afterwards.
I don't doubt that. But it's that way for a reason, you want infrastructure, national security, a safety net for the old, and police who show up when you call? You gotta pay for it.
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The percentages we pay in taxes and the waste that goes on in our gov. Is ludicrous.
I used to believe all that stuff too about how the waste was the culprit. Then we vote in Bush and Pawlenty, the waste turned out to be roads, schools, and nursing homes. If you call animal control to report a stray it won't matter because the pound doesn't exist anymore; they laid off the dog catcher and the meter maid. I stopped going to the library because they were always closed after the "waste" was trimmed.
Keep trying, eventually your nursing home assistant will be too busy to respond but it won't matter because your buzzer broke and they laid off the maintenance guy.
I'll get back to this one tonight but I noticed you had no saucy retort to raising road and/or fuel taxes.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 17 2013,12:07 pm
(the breeze @ Dec. 17 2013,9:17 am)
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(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Ronald Reagan
Is that the best you got?
As I suspected, you're one of those Westboro Baptist type "christians".
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 17 2013,5:41 pm
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 17 2013,11:21 am)
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I'll get back to this one tonight but I noticed you had no saucy retort to raising road and/or fuel taxes.
I'll be happy to read it. In the meantime here's the response you wanted:
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Don't like the big trucks tearing up the road? Raise the road tax, I'm sure the costs will be passed along accordingly
No "saucy" retort here. My remark was to point out the cognitive dissonance in conservative logic. Government services are okay, EXCEPT for what you don't personally use. Then it's "waste".
No problem with truckers or any other business owner utilizing our infrastructure. That's what it's there for. But when the plumber, trucker, or CEO decides he doesn't want to pay taxes anymore because of [insert random AM radio excuse here], I have to disagree with their logic. In the early to mid-20th Century there was a progressive tax rate that people paid. It didn't matter whether they liked it or agreed with the war, welfare, or NPR, it had to be paid or the debt would explode. That was before Reaganomics/voodoo economics/starve the beast came on the scene.
We can adjust, change, or end programs if there's enough public support. It's been done many times. However, the conservative rhetoric of starving the beast only results in secretaries paying a higher tax rate than their billionaire bosses and corporations, and debts that overtake our economic viability (infrastructure upgrades, education, trust funds, etc.).
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2013,5:17 am
(irisheyes @ Dec. 17 2013,5:41 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Dec. 17 2013,11:21 am)
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I'll get back to this one tonight but I noticed you had no saucy retort to raising road and/or fuel taxes.
I'll be happy to read it. In the meantime here's the response you wanted:
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Don't like the big trucks tearing up the road? Raise the road tax, I'm sure the costs will be passed along accordingly
No "saucy" retort here. My remark was to point out the cognitive dissonance in conservative logic. Government services are okay, EXCEPT for what you don't personally use. Then it's "waste".
No problem with truckers or any other business owner utilizing our infrastructure. That's what it's there for. But when the plumber, trucker, or CEO decides he doesn't want to pay taxes anymore because of [insert random AM radio excuse here], I have to disagree with their logic. In the early to mid-20th Century there was a progressive tax rate that people paid. It didn't matter whether they liked it or agreed with the war, welfare, or NPR, it had to be paid or the debt would explode. That was before Reaganomics/voodoo economics/starve the beast came on the scene.
We can adjust, change, or end programs if there's enough public support. It's been done many times. However, the conservative rhetoric of starving the beast only results in secretaries paying a higher tax rate than their billionaire bosses and corporations, and debts that overtake our economic viability (infrastructure upgrades, education, trust funds, etc.).
Secretaries paying more taxes then their bosses? You really do listen to NPR,are they in fund drive mode? (Oh wait, they're always in fund drive mode)
The waste is rampant, all you have to do is look, a million here, a billion there and it starts adding up to real money. I'm sure if I look hard enough there are "little pet" projects that are near and dear to me. Here's just a few...
< http://www.businessinsider.com/governm...-3?op=1 >
Our gov's fiscal policies are a train wreck waiting to happen, I'm just wondering "when"
Posted by grassman on Dec. 18 2013,5:47 am
I don't think there is anyone who is not against wasteful spending, except those that are in on it. It is time that people realize excactly what the big ones are. Which ones are not to any but a few's good interest. Focus on that, not taking food or health care away from a citizen.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2013,8:14 am
Where is it written that the gov. Supply food and healthcare?
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 18 2013,8:26 am
Same place it's written that the government subsidize oil companies, big banks and big ag.
Posted by Pretzel Logic on Dec. 18 2013,8:57 am
^ Amen
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2013,10:11 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 18 2013,8:26 am)
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Same place it's written that the government subsidize oil companies, big banks and big ag.
Excellent point
So let's quit both sides.
Posted by hairhertz on Dec. 18 2013,11:18 pm
it is interesting how the Far Right get so frustrated with the other folks, because, obviously, the Far Right are the only people who are right. Correct?
Posted by stardust17 on Jan. 10 2014,12:00 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Good to see Nietzche used as reference, and not the latest zealot gurus misleading the flock for a buck.
Where is the almighty private sector, our savior for everything from hangnails to heaven? We have witches like Marissa Mayer claiming God is first in her life. Apparently God comes first for her, while her overseas sweatshop slaves come last.
And then Breeze speaks of liberal hypocracy.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 10 2014,6:39 am
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(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Good to see Nietzche used as reference, and not the latest zealot gurus misleading the flock for a buck.
Where is the almighty private sector, our savior for everything from hangnails to heaven? We have witches like Marissa Mayer claiming God is first in her life. Apparently God comes first for her, while her overseas sweatshop slaves come last.
And then Breeze speaks of liberal hypocrisy.
Hmmm, where is this understanding that the founding of this country is based on the socialistic teachings of the church?
Charity is a personal christian act, and it fails to be a christian act when it is forced upon others through legislation and enforced by the treat of the barrel.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Jan. 10 2014,8:07 am
I have an idea! Why dont the 50% that pay NO taxes start paying their fair share. Then we all would be happy or upset that way you please everyone at once.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 10 2014,8:19 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jan. 10 2014,6:39 am)
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(stardust17 @ Jan. 10 2014,12:00 am)
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(Botto 82 @ Dec. 15 2013,10:37 pm)
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Maybe if all these Christians we find ourselves waist-deep in around here lived more according to Christ's teachings, that whole "least of my brethren" part, with regards to the “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited” people in our midst, they wouldn't need some government "rescue."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Maybe you should put down the Ayn Rand, and read some Nietzsche, who said, "In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
Good to see Nietzche used as reference, and not the latest zealot gurus misleading the flock for a buck.
Where is the almighty private sector, our savior for everything from hangnails to heaven? We have witches like Marissa Mayer claiming God is first in her life. Apparently God comes first for her, while her overseas sweatshop slaves come last.
And then Breeze speaks of liberal hypocrisy.
Hmmm, where is this understanding that the founding of this country is based on the socialistic teachings of the church?
Charity is a personal christian act, and it fails to be a christian act when it is forced upon others through legislation and enforced by the treat of the barrel.
Straw man argue much? At what point in any of the above was mandatory charity mentioned?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 10 2014,8:31 am
Mandatory charity? I believe that's called taxes.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 10 2014,8:33 am
(pepi-lapew @ Jan. 10 2014,8:07 am)
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I have an idea! Why dont the 50% that pay NO taxes start paying their fair share. Then we all would be happy or upset that way you please everyone at once.
Can't do that, it would cost votes, on both sides of the aisle.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Jan. 10 2014,9:10 am
What difference does that make they will manipulate to their side no matter whos counting. Both sides are crooked
Posted by stardust17 on Jan. 12 2014,1:03 am
Seperation of church & state----Marissa Mayer gives "personal" charities, laying claim to christianity. Then uses the "state" to enrich herself thru immoral deeds. Also charity is not a christian invention.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 12 2014,7:00 am
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Seperation of church & state----Marissa Mayer gives "personal" charities, laying claim to christianity. Then uses the "state" to enrich herself thru immoral deeds.
Also charity is not a christian invention.
Also charity is not a christian invention.
So what "immoral" deeds is Mayer guilty of???