Topic: Will Republicans Support the "American Jobs Act"
started by: alcitizens
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 09 2011,6:15 pm
Fully Paid for as Part of the President’s Long-Term Deficit Reduction Plan. To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target. The President will, in the coming days, release a detailed plan that will show how we can do that while achieving the additional deficit reduction necessary to meet the President’s broader goal of stabilizing our debt as a share of the economy.Estimated Costs:
Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow $70B
Cut employer payroll taxes in half & bonus payroll cut for new jobs/wages $65B
Extend 100% expensing in 2012 $5B
Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America $140B
Teacher rehiring and first responders $35B
Modernizing schools $30B
Immediate surface transportation $50B
Infrastructure bank $10B
Rehabilitation/repurposing of vacant property (neighborhood stabilization) $15B
National wireless initiative 0*
Veterans hiring initiative n.a.
Pathways Back to Work for Americans Looking for Jobs $62B
UI Reform and Extension $49B
Jobs tax credit for long term unemployed $8B
Pathways back to work fund $5B
More Money in the Pockets of Every American Worker and Family 175
Cutting employee payroll taxes in half in 2012 175
TOTAL $447 BILLION
< http://www.businessinsider.com/factshe...V3jJgNH >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2011,8:12 pm
Last night was pretty much more of the same BS Let's get the rich to carry more of the load, let's get more unions, let's grow Gov. and let me put us even further into debt.It was nothing more than a campaign speech.
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 09 2011,9:53 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 09 2011,6:15 pm)
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Fully Paid for as Part of the President’s Long-Term Deficit Reduction Plan. To ensure that the American Jobs Act is fully paid for, the President will call on the Joint Committee to come up with additional deficit reduction necessary to pay for the Act and still meet its deficit target. The President will, in the coming days, release a detailed plan that will show how we can do that while achieving the additional deficit reduction necessary to meet the President’s broader goal of stabilizing our debt as a share of the economy.
Estimated Costs:
Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow $70B
Cut employer payroll taxes in half & bonus payroll cut for new jobs/wages $65B
Extend 100% expensing in 2012 $5B
Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America $140B
Teacher rehiring and first responders $35B
Modernizing schools $30B
Immediate surface transportation $50B
Infrastructure bank $10B
Rehabilitation/repurposing of vacant property (neighborhood stabilization) $15B
National wireless initiative 0*
Veterans hiring initiative n.a.
Pathways Back to Work for Americans Looking for Jobs $62B
UI Reform and Extension $49B
Jobs tax credit for long term unemployed $8B
Pathways back to work fund $5B
More Money in the Pockets of Every American Worker and Family 175
Cutting employee payroll taxes in half in 2012 175
TOTAL $447 BILLION
< http://www.businessinsider.com/factshe...V3jJgNH >
Estimated Costs:
Tax Cuts to Help America’s Small Businesses Hire and Grow $70B
Cut employer payroll taxes in half & bonus payroll cut for new jobs/wages $65B
Extend 100% expensing in 2012 $5B
Putting Workers Back on the Job While Rebuilding and Modernizing America $140B
Teacher rehiring and first responders $35B
Modernizing schools $30B
Immediate surface transportation $50B
Infrastructure bank $10B
Rehabilitation/repurposing of vacant property (neighborhood stabilization) $15B
National wireless initiative 0*
Veterans hiring initiative n.a.
Pathways Back to Work for Americans Looking for Jobs $62B
UI Reform and Extension $49B
Jobs tax credit for long term unemployed $8B
Pathways back to work fund $5B
More Money in the Pockets of Every American Worker and Family 175
Cutting employee payroll taxes in half in 2012 175
TOTAL $447 BILLION
< http://www.businessinsider.com/factshe...V3jJgNH >
Skip all that. For one thing modernizing schools to me would mean less teachers and less so called mortar and brick structures.
Just bring gas back down to $1.25 a gallon.
And while we're at it I want a $20 a month smart phone too. lol
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 09 2011,10:00 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 09 2011,8:12 pm)
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Last night was pretty much more of the same BS Let's get the rich to carry more of the load, let's get more unions, let's grow Gov. and let me put us even further into debt.
It was nothing more than a campaign speech.
It was nothing more than a campaign speech.
People take great pride in how indebted they can become.
So the government is a reflection of the people and the people are a reflection of the government.
If you took in as much as they do you'd have your debt jacked way up there too wouldn't you?
Secondly all politicians are campaigning all the time.
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 10 2011,2:01 am
Especially interesting was his bit on Medicare! Lets not fix Social Security...but lets adjust Medicare...like those on Medicare can afford to pay any more?
How about the tax incentives for companies that hire those that have been unemployed for 6 months or longer! Great...now the freshly unemployed will have to take a back seat to those who have collected for a long time! Gives the advantage to some while it takes away from others...where exactly is the progress in that
Just another stimulus! We all know how it worked in the past! He does not have an effective track record!
All we were left with was his repeated...
Pass this jobs act
Pass this jobs act now
You must pass this jobs act
You need to pass this jobs act now
etc. etc. etc.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 10 2011,7:00 am
(Santorini @ Sep. 10 2011,2:01 am)
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All we were left with was his repeated...
Pass this jobs act
Pass this jobs act now
You must pass this jobs act
You need to pass this jobs act now
etc. etc. etc.
Pass this jobs act
Pass this jobs act now
You must pass this jobs act
You need to pass this jobs act now
etc. etc. etc.
Yeah, I noticed his incessant push for an immediate move by Congress to do this.
He makes the whole country wait for weeks while he campaigns and goes on vacation and NOW it's URGENT?
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 10 2011,7:57 am
(hymiebravo @ Sep. 09 2011,10:00 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 09 2011,8:12 pm)
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Last night was pretty much more of the same BS Let's get the rich to carry more of the load, let's get more unions, let's grow Gov. and let me put us even further into debt.
It was nothing more than a campaign speech.
It was nothing more than a campaign speech.
People take great pride in how indebted they can become.
So the government is a reflection of the people and the people are a reflection of the government.
If you took in as much as they do you'd have your debt jacked way up there too wouldn't you?
Secondly all politicians are campaigning all the time.
Not all people take pride in debt, I don't. I'm working hard to get rid of it. In three years I should be done.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 10 2011,11:28 am
My personal favorite is his "Pass it now and I'll tell you how we'll pay for it later" 
Posted by nedkelly on Sep. 10 2011,11:39 am
What has the fearless congress come up with for the little guys?....Besides tax breaks for the better-off...ned
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 10 2011,3:54 pm
I think the 51% that do not pay taxes at all should start paying there fair share also. I am so tired of having to carry them on my back all year. 
Posted by nphilbro on Sep. 10 2011,6:56 pm
Let's eliminate Social Security - Right Now... not later.Let's elimnate Medicare - Right Now... not later.
Eliminate Public education (religion can take up the slack).
Privatize all roads.
Eliminate all transit funding.
Eliminate all regulation of: Airports, cars, factories, food, medicine, banking and finance, insurance, corporate accountability, workplace safety.
Let hospitals require cash up-front prior to being seen (that way they don't lose money).
Eliminate all corporate taxes.
Turn all public entities into private, for profit enterprises, including courts and public safety.
Eliminate libraries in lieu of private book stores.
This country will finally be fair and balanced for those who can afford it.
Freedom a la carte
Sounds like a Tea Party dream, huh?
Sounds like Afghanistan to me.
Posted by USMC5811 on Sep. 10 2011,10:27 pm
(nphilbro @ Sep. 10 2011,6:56 pm)
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Let's eliminate Social Security - Right Now... not later.
Let's elimnate Medicare - Right Now... not later.
Eliminate Public education (religion can take up the slack).
Privatize all roads.
Eliminate all transit funding.
Eliminate all regulation of: Airports, cars, factories, food, medicine, banking and finance, insurance, corporate accountability, workplace safety.
Let hospitals require cash up-front prior to being seen (that way they don't lose money).
Eliminate all corporate taxes.
Turn all public entities into private, for profit enterprises, including courts and public safety.
Eliminate libraries in lieu of private book stores.
This country will finally be fair and balanced for those who can afford it.
Freedom a la carte
Sounds like a Tea Party dream, huh?
Sounds like Afghanistan to me.
Let's elimnate Medicare - Right Now... not later.
Eliminate Public education (religion can take up the slack).
Privatize all roads.
Eliminate all transit funding.
Eliminate all regulation of: Airports, cars, factories, food, medicine, banking and finance, insurance, corporate accountability, workplace safety.
Let hospitals require cash up-front prior to being seen (that way they don't lose money).
Eliminate all corporate taxes.
Turn all public entities into private, for profit enterprises, including courts and public safety.
Eliminate libraries in lieu of private book stores.
This country will finally be fair and balanced for those who can afford it.
Freedom a la carte
Sounds like a Tea Party dream, huh?
Sounds like Afghanistan to me.
Sounds like a melodramatic liberal to me.
Posted by nphilbro on Sep. 10 2011,11:14 pm
Rick Perry already called Social Security a Ponzi scheme. Medicare and healthcare reform are unpopular with the far right (unless it means deregulation of insurance companies).
A huge part of our military budget funds private firms, aka "Military Contractors" in countries of combat to do what the US military used to do.
That's not melodrama. That's what's already happening.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 10 2011,11:20 pm
How is S.S. NOT a ponzi scheme? Bernie Madoff is in prison for pulling the same tactic.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 11 2011,1:38 pm
@pepiQUOTE
I think the 51% that do not pay taxes at all should start paying there fair share also. I am so tired of having to carry them on my back all year.
to quote Mark Twain "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"
Statistics can be manipulated, I'd like to see a breakdown on the demographics of this claim
if they include the elderly who now survive on Social Security because Wall Street robbed their retirement savings the Corporation they spent their life working for magically eliminated their pension and medical benefits with the stroke of a pen, or the young who slave in partime jobs for minimum wage.
Yet your Republican Brethren feel minimum wage is to high and the law should be eliminated in the name of free markets and right to work laws...
This is more Fox Noise partisan theatrics to fuel the right-wing hollow heads of the tea party.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 11 2011,7:22 pm
NO.1 I live on my s.s. and mil. pen. 401 k NO.2 I didnt pay a dime in fed taxes.
NO.3 I could have paid a little with no problen.
So dont give me all those sob stories.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 11 2011,7:24 pm
And by the way Im not a stupid REP or a damn DEM
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 11 2011,10:01 pm
Expatriot, you can go directly to the IRS for that info.It will give you the breakdown of who paid what, it also gives a breakdown of those working, retired, etc.
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Sep. 11 2011,10:35 pm
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I think the 51% that do not pay taxes at all should start paying there fair share also. I am so tired of having to carry them on my back all year
Well, get out your wallet and start paying then. What income taxes do you pay?
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 12 2011,10:24 am
Can you read this NONE NONE.
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Sep. 12 2011,12:31 pm
You wanna pay more go ahead a write them a check. No one's stopping you.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 12 2011,2:33 pm
(pepi-lapew @ Sep. 11 2011,7:22 pm)
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NO.1 I live on my s.s. and mil. pen. 401 k
NO.2 I didnt pay a dime in fed taxes.
NO.3 I could have paid a little with no problen.
So dont give me all those sob stories.
NO.2 I didnt pay a dime in fed taxes.
NO.3 I could have paid a little with no problen.
So dont give me all those sob stories.
Hmmm just your Military Pension would put you at a taxable level as a single, rough estimate of staff sergeant's pension 1600 x 12 = 19,200. the average S.S is 1,177 x 12 =14,124 so now we're talking 33,324 which would put you well into taxable territory even as a couple, we didn't include your 401k so let's just say 500. a month 6,000 a year so our grand total, low-balled IMO is 39,324.. you paid no tax? I know SS is only taxed at a percentage of you income level but how can you avoid taxation?
You're AGI is still above EIC levels $13,460 ($18,470 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children.
Unless you have a house full of dependents I don't see how you avoid taxation.. Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion!
This wasn't an attack on you pepi, the tax system in this country is way too full of exemptions and loopholes and many who have the money don't pay, I'm talking much more money than a retired Sergeant makes...
Don't feel bad about not paying tax, I'm paying enough for both of us and then some...
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 12 2011,4:20 pm
No problem EX. You put your ss in and then you can deduct some of it. 22yrs mil Retired a E-6
Posted by irisheyes on Sep. 13 2011,6:23 pm
(pepi-lapew @ Sep. 10 2011,3:54 pm)
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I think the 51% that do not pay taxes at all should start paying there fair share also. I am so tired of having to carry them on my back all year.
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NO.1 I live on my s.s. and mil. pen. 401 k
NO.2 I didnt pay a dime in fed taxes.
NO.3 I could have paid a little with no problen.
NO.2 I didnt pay a dime in fed taxes.
NO.3 I could have paid a little with no problen.
So which post is true, are you sick of "carrying them on your back all year", or are you one of the 51% that you complain about?
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 13 2011,8:38 pm
What ever happened to the high speed trains are they on the list too?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 14 2011,1:56 am
Why is it that Radical Right-Wing Republican Kooks don't want to fix crumbling bridges, highways or schools and make the rich pay for it?
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 14 2011,7:21 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 14 2011,1:56 am)
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Why is it that Radical Right-Wing Republican Kooks don't want to fix crumbling bridges, highways or schools and make the rich pay for it?
Nice inflammatory comment there. lol
Isn't that in the realm of a few of the things the government is actually supposed to be taking care of already?
How is it that things have gotten in such a state of disrepair?
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 14 2011,7:27 am
(pepi-lapew @ Sep. 11 2011,7:24 pm)
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And by the way Im not a stupid REP or a damn DEM
All I can say is it's a good thing everybody doesn't adopt that same non- party allegiance.
Otherwise people like Laura Ingram might have to try and sell Fake Estate, or something, instead of guiding her minions.
Or whatever it is that she's doing.
I mean besides selling advertising.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 14 2011,3:31 pm
(hymiebravo @ Sep. 14 2011,7:21 am)
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Isn't that in the realm of a few of the things the government is actually supposed to be taking care of already?
How is it that things have gotten in such a state of disrepair?
How is it that things have gotten in such a state of disrepair?
If it wasn't for the Bush tax cuts for the rich, lack of regulations on derivatives and a FALSE WAR in Iraq started in the early 2000's , we could of had a STATE OF THE ART TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, STATE OF THE ART EDUCATION SYSTEM and LOW UNEMPLOYMENT..
People are so stupid if they don't realize how much better life would be today if Republitards wouldn't have destroyed the foundation of the American Way of Life..
Bush and the Republicans did more damage to this country and are responsible for more American Deaths than Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda.. Who's the frikin real terrorists of Americans??
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 14 2011,8:47 pm
^ I come back for the laughs... What a fruit loop. 
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 14 2011,8:48 pm
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How is it that things have gotten in such a state of disrepair?
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If it wasn't for the Bush tax cuts for the rich, lack of regulations on derivatives and a FALSE WAR in Iraq started in the early 2000's , we could of had a STATE OF THE ART TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, STATE OF THE ART EDUCATION SYSTEM and LOW UNEMPLOYMENT..
Grover Norquist was the first spout the phrase” starve the beast” it’s been Republican strategy followed IMO by the moderate Republican Obama, he’s no FDR, or Kennedy style Democrat...
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast >
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 14 2011,8:52 pm
ALC, here is a website you can use to report all of the "Republitards" on this forum. < Attackwatch.com > 
Proof that the Obama administration is losing it. They are paranoid and know that they are in trouble come 2012.
If only O'bummer would spend this much time and energy on the economy.
Nuff said...
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2011,1:47 am
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 14 2011,8:52 pm)
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ALC, here is a website you can use to report all of the "Republitards" on this forum. < Attackwatch.com >
Proof that the Obama administration is losing it. They are paranoid and know that they are in trouble come 2012.
If only O'bummer would spend this much time and energy on the economy.
Nuff said...
Proof that the Obama administration is losing it. They are paranoid and know that they are in trouble come 2012.
If only O'bummer would spend this much time and energy on the economy.
Nuff said...
We are close to a double dip recession with further losses of jobs and a stock market crash.. If the republicans don't get on board and support the presidents jobs bill, they'll take the full blame for not acting.. I'm sure they'll have no other choice than to join Obama..
Republicans are getting really good at wrecking the economy and I'm sure people will start to catch on to their strategy to replace Obama by continuing to defy the plan of the man to CREATE JOBS..
Don't give me your crap that government doesn't create jobs. Just ask Rick Perry how many government jobs he's created in the last three years as the governor of Texas..
Net job gains in Texas have come entirely from government hiring, which accounts for 115,000 new jobs over the past three years. The private sector in Texas shed about 40,000 jobs during that time.
< http://www.usnews.com/news...n-texas >
Take that and Stuff your Nuff where the sun don't shine..
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 15 2011,3:43 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 14 2011,8:48 pm)
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Grover Norquist was the first spout the phrase” starve the beast” it’s been Republican strategy followed IMO by
the moderate Republican Obama, he’s no FDR, or Kennedy style Democrat...
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast >
the moderate Republican Obama, he’s no FDR, or Kennedy style Democrat...
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast >
Just imagine what Obama can get done as a Democrat in his second term not having to be in constant campaign mode.. Winning back about 26 House Seats would be even more awesome..
Those Teabaggers got to go!!
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 15 2011,7:20 am
Yeah he'll give even more money to the future job makers like Solyndra A failed idea started under Bush, accelerated by Obama.
And to top it off, the man who cries for more regulations, completely ignores all put in place telling him not to rush that through as there are warning signs of this companies long term future.
Let's face it, he's probable a decent man, but as the leader of this country he is an epic failure. And coming after Bush that takes some doing.
Posted by ThirdParty on Sep. 15 2011,11:45 am
Opinion from the group. Does anyone think (either side or the guys in the middle like me) that adding another year of unemployment benefits is a good thing?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 15 2011,12:55 pm
(ThirdParty @ Sep. 15 2011,11:45 am)
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Opinion from the group. Does anyone think (either side or the guys in the middle like me) that adding another year of unemployment benefits is a good thing?
Unemployment is probably a cheaper option than outright welfare which would involve reeducation
costs as well as survival costs or the other alternative prison cost. unemployment money is fed directly back into the economy, it's a good thing...
It's still my opinion we can now see the light at the end of a long dark tunnel, I'll predict 2015 as the year of the great turn around the boomers will be retiring in mass replacements won't be able fill the millions of job openings fast enough, wages will rise as companies compete for an ever shrinking labor pool...
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 15 2011,6:11 pm
...and there will be 1 taxpayer for every 2 receiving benefits...oops. did I say that out loud?
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 15 2011,6:16 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 15 2011,1:47 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 14 2011,8:52 pm)
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ALC, here is a website you can use to report all of the "Republitards" on this forum. < Attackwatch.com >
Proof that the Obama administration is losing it. They are paranoid and know that they are in trouble come 2012.
If only O'bummer would spend this much time and energy on the economy.
Nuff said...
Proof that the Obama administration is losing it. They are paranoid and know that they are in trouble come 2012.
If only O'bummer would spend this much time and energy on the economy.
Nuff said...
We are close to a double dip recession with further losses of jobs and a stock market crash.. If the republicans don't get on board and support the presidents jobs bill, they'll take the full blame for not acting.. I'm sure they'll have no other choice than to join Obama..
Republicans are getting really good at wrecking the economy and I'm sure people will start to catch on to their strategy to replace Obama by continuing to defy the plan of the man to CREATE JOBS..
Don't give me your crap that government doesn't create jobs. Just ask Rick Perry how many government jobs he's created in the last three years as the governor of Texas..
Net job gains in Texas have come entirely from government hiring, which accounts for 115,000 new jobs over the past three years. The private sector in Texas shed about 40,000 jobs during that time.
< http://www.usnews.com/news...n-texas >
Take that and Stuff your Nuff where the sun don't shine..
What? No comment about the idiotic website?
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 15 2011,6:32 pm
I post about Obama not focusing on the job at hand and you blither about Rick Perry and some news report about jobs. No wonder the donks can't get anything done. They wasted too much time with Obamacare (that nobody wanted) and back door meetings instead of dealing with the economy. And you want to place sole blame on the other party. Pfft.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 15 2011,6:37 pm
Why not have the unemployed work on things like fixing our roads and bridges?
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Sep. 15 2011,6:54 pm
You know what Lib. I'm shocked at how deteriorated AL city roads have become. It's outrageous really and to think we can loan millions of dollars to developers for new neighborhoods, but can't do the simple maintenance. Many of AL's city streets have fallen way behind in upkeep. This city really couldn't be managed any worse.
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 15 2011,7:03 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2011,6:37 pm)
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Why not have the unemployed work on things like fixing our roads and bridges?
Oh yeah, the unions would love that....
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 15 2011,8:04 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2011,6:37 pm)
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Why not have the unemployed work on things like fixing our roads and bridges?
Why not have the unemployed study the need for bicycle lanes in A.L.?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 15 2011,10:14 pm
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 15 2011,8:04 pm)
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(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2011,6:37 pm)
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Why not have the unemployed work on things like fixing our roads and bridges?
Why not have the unemployed study the need for bicycle lanes in A.L.?
That's it. Albert Lea could have a bike transportation czar.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 16 2011,2:39 pm
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 15 2011,7:03 pm)
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(Liberal @ Sep. 15 2011,6:37 pm)
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Why not have the unemployed work on things like fixing our roads and bridges?
Oh yeah, the unions would love that...
Of the 6,500 Carpenters Union members, half have been unemployed long-term, some as long as two years.
< http://www.khon2.com/news...6Q.cspx >
Why would an unemployed union worker want a job?
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 16 2011,4:19 pm
Isn't it better that they are unemployed? I mean Pelosi said there is 2 dollars returned for every dollar spent in unemployment benefits
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 16 2011,6:44 pm
Of the 6,500 Carpenters Union members, half have been unemployed long-term, some as long as two years.Maybe it's time for a new profession.
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 16 2011,8:26 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 16 2011,6:44 pm)
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Of the 6,500 Carpenters Union members, half have been unemployed long-term, some as long as two years.
Maybe it's time for a new profession.
Maybe it's time for a new profession.
Good One!
That is actually too true!
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2011,12:11 am
Pass This Bill, or else..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 17 2011,6:27 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 17 2011,12:11 am)
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Pass This Bill, or else..
Or else what? you'll whine some more?
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 17 2011,2:59 pm
House Republicans rejects Obama jobs proposals(CBS/AP) WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders say they are rejecting President Barack Obama's jobs proposals to rebuild schools and blighted neighborhoods, and help keep state and local employees on the job.
< http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/17/politics/main20107733.shtml >
Republicans are against putting people to work.. Republicans want to cut jobs just so they can cut Obama.. To hell with the unemployed..
Republicans in the House are so finished!!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 17 2011,7:33 pm
Republicans are against putting people to work? 
Even if I tried to think like you I wouldn't try to pass that statement off. If people didn't work, who would do all the work for these bazillionaires who don't pay their share of taxes?QUOTE
Barack Obama's jobs proposals to rebuild schools and blighted neighborhoods, and help keep state and local employees on the job.
Why would they want to keep feeding the bear? Don't you want the jobs in the private sector? Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 17 2011,11:19 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 17 2011,7:33 pm)
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Don't you want the jobs in the private sector?
Unfortunately do to our current trade policy, one carried out by both sides of the political realm, all new private sector jobs are created in India, China, or Mexico...
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 18 2011,3:58 pm
House Republicans Have Tried To Eliminate Up To 6.7 Million Jobs In 2011Since the Republicans took control of the House in January, they have made deficit reduction their top priority. However, while Republicans dutifully argue that slashing spending will create a positive "environment for job creation," their proposed budget cuts will cause significant job losses in the near-term.
< http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201106270010 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 18 2011,5:26 pm
^ I opened the link aove, read",a project of media matters." Do you actually beleive this crap???Are you that much of a moron???
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 18 2011,8:21 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 18 2011,5:26 pm)
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^ I opened the link aove, read",a project of media matters." Do you actually beleive this crap???
Are you that much of a moron???
Are you that much of a moron???
Have you quit taking your medication for stupidity?
There is a link to the legislation the House Republicans have voted on or introduced since taking the majority in January.. Look for the highlighted date after each.. Click it and Stick it..
Passed By The House Of Representatives
H.R. 1 — Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011
Total Jobs Eliminated: 200,000 - 1 Million
[Washington Post, < 2/16/11 >]
H. Con. Res. 34 — "The Ryan Budget"
Total Jobs Eliminated: 1.7 - 2.9 Million
[EPI.org, < 4/6/11 >]
and on and on and on..
< http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201106270010 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2011,4:28 am
Eliminating Gov. jobs, shrinking Gov. impact on our economy. If libs had there way everyone would be working for the Gov. and it would all be union.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2011,12:55 pm
"Ryan Plan" to slash Medicaid will cost the economy nearly two million private sector jobs< http://www.epi.org/publica..._privat >
This debate is just too damn easy..
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2011,7:50 pm
highly doubtful
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 20 2011,9:17 pm
(alcitizens @ Sep. 19 2011,12:55 pm)
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"Ryan Plan" to slash Medicaid will cost the economy nearly two million private sector jobs
< http://www.epi.org/publica..._privat >
This debate is just too damn easy..
< http://www.epi.org/publica..._privat >
This debate is just too damn easy..
Did you forget to research the other side of the coin or is it that you just don't care that the gov't is broke.
You're a sucker. Libs use scare tactics all the time and you're a sucker. Unemployment, disabled children, poor children, grandma and grandma, etc...pick your flavor of the month for any lib talking point and they sucker you into believing any other option is the devil. pfft...
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Mr. O'Malley and the other governors wrote that block grants "would shift costs and risk to states." In reality, the matching-grant system these governors seek to preserve is a massive cost-shifting scheme. Block grants would reduce this phenomenon.
What they mean is that they want to preserve the open-ended, perennial bailout that Medicaid has always offered.
For every additional dollar a high-income state spends on its Medicaid program, the federal government sends the state one matching dollar. Low-income states get as much as $4 from Washington for each additional dollar they spend.
Therefore, every time a governor expands his or her state's Medicaid program, the federal government's system of matching grants effectively shifts 50 percent to 80 percent of the expansion's price tag to taxpayers in other states.
The same is true in reverse. If governors tolerate waste, fraud and abuse, the matching-grant system shifts 50 to 80 percent of the cost to taxpayers in other states.
Today's system even shifts costs across generations. Matching grants are such a cash cow that states hatch all manner of schemes to "pull down" as much federal money as possible. (One common practice is for states to secure federal dollars by pretending to increase their Medicaid outlays, but then recapturing those outlays by taxing providers.) But each time they do so, states add to the federal deficit, which shifts the cost of current consumption to future taxpayers.
What's really upsetting Mr. O'Malley and his colleagues is that block grants would reduce their ability to shift the cost of their Medicaid programs to other states.
Under a block-grant system, Washington would give each state a fixed amount of money that would neither rise nor fall with the amount the state spends. Governors would be free to expand their programs, but they would have to come up with 100 percent of the money for those expansions.
Mr. O'Malley and colleagues warn that having to choose "between increasing taxes, cutting other state programs, or cutting eligibility, benefits, or provider payments" would put them in an "untenable" position. What they mean is that they want to preserve the open-ended, perennial bailout that Medicaid has always offered.
But since there is no more money in Washington for bailouts or anything else, perhaps a second-best option would be to ask the nation's governors to start taking responsibility for their Medicaid policy choices.
What they mean is that they want to preserve the open-ended, perennial bailout that Medicaid has always offered.
For every additional dollar a high-income state spends on its Medicaid program, the federal government sends the state one matching dollar. Low-income states get as much as $4 from Washington for each additional dollar they spend.
Therefore, every time a governor expands his or her state's Medicaid program, the federal government's system of matching grants effectively shifts 50 percent to 80 percent of the expansion's price tag to taxpayers in other states.
The same is true in reverse. If governors tolerate waste, fraud and abuse, the matching-grant system shifts 50 to 80 percent of the cost to taxpayers in other states.
Today's system even shifts costs across generations. Matching grants are such a cash cow that states hatch all manner of schemes to "pull down" as much federal money as possible. (One common practice is for states to secure federal dollars by pretending to increase their Medicaid outlays, but then recapturing those outlays by taxing providers.) But each time they do so, states add to the federal deficit, which shifts the cost of current consumption to future taxpayers.
What's really upsetting Mr. O'Malley and his colleagues is that block grants would reduce their ability to shift the cost of their Medicaid programs to other states.
Under a block-grant system, Washington would give each state a fixed amount of money that would neither rise nor fall with the amount the state spends. Governors would be free to expand their programs, but they would have to come up with 100 percent of the money for those expansions.
Mr. O'Malley and colleagues warn that having to choose "between increasing taxes, cutting other state programs, or cutting eligibility, benefits, or provider payments" would put them in an "untenable" position. What they mean is that they want to preserve the open-ended, perennial bailout that Medicaid has always offered.
But since there is no more money in Washington for bailouts or anything else, perhaps a second-best option would be to ask the nation's governors to start taking responsibility for their Medicaid policy choices.
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Matching grants make combating fraud and abuse a low-return proposition for states. Providers inevitably chafe under the additional paperwork and investigations necessary to police fraud. Currently, if a state inflicts enough of this political pain to eliminate $1 of fraud, it only keeps 20 to 50 cents; the rest goes back to Washington. As a result, Mr. O'Malley and other governors have quite rationally made policing fraud and abuse too low a priority.
Under block grants, states would keep 100 percent of the savings from rooting out fraud and abuse. That would encourage states to spend their Medicaid dollars wisely, reduce the cost of the program, and enable states to do more with fewer resources.
Under block grants, states would keep 100 percent of the savings from rooting out fraud and abuse. That would encourage states to spend their Medicaid dollars wisely, reduce the cost of the program, and enable states to do more with fewer resources.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 21 2011,5:44 pm
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 20 2011,9:17 pm)
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You're a sucker. Libs use scare tactics all the time and you're a sucker. Unemployment, disabled children, poor children, grandma and grandma, etc...pick your flavor of the month for any lib talking point and they sucker you into believing any other option is the devil. pfft...
You just made me realize that I'm a Radical Republican Kookaroony. I hate womens rights, workers rights, baisically most human rights except the right to bear arms..
Only people with money should have health care when they get sick.. The rest should die..
I like that the rich pay a lesser percent of their income in taxes than the middle class.. Taxes should be abolished, you make it,you keep it whether it be 0 cents an hour or $50,000 an hour.. Rich white people deserve to have me work for whatever the next person is willing accept, you know, supply and demand.. Those with money deserve to rule those without..
Republican Kooks know exactly how to create 0% unemployment.. Slavery!!
Posted by nedkelly on Sep. 22 2011,7:23 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 21 2011,5:44 pm)
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Only people with money should have health care when they get sick.. The rest should die..
I like that the rich pay a lesser percent of their income in taxes than the middle class.. Taxes should be abolished, you make it,you keep it whether it be 0 cents an hour or $50,000 an hour.. Rich white people deserve to have me work for whatever the next person is willing accept, you know, supply and demand.. Those with money deserve to rule those without..
Republican Kooks know exactly how to create 0% unemployment.. Slavery!!
I like that the rich pay a lesser percent of their income in taxes than the middle class.. Taxes should be abolished, you make it,you keep it whether it be 0 cents an hour or $50,000 an hour.. Rich white people deserve to have me work for whatever the next person is willing accept, you know, supply and demand.. Those with money deserve to rule those without..
Republican Kooks know exactly how to create 0% unemployment.. Slavery!!
But if no taxes were paid who would protect C.C. from those who were sick of working for nothing and stole his stuff? Who would plow his snow?....I'd love to see that....
...ned
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 23 2011,5:34 pm
I create my own shovel ready project every time it snows. Yep just me and my own shovel.It is actually quite rewarding doing something for yourself.
Posted by nedkelly on Sep. 24 2011,7:25 am
(Common Citizen @ Sep. 23 2011,5:34 pm)
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I create my own shovel ready project every time it snows. Yep just me and my own shovel.
It is actually quite rewarding doing something for yourself.
It is actually quite rewarding doing something for yourself.
I do my own drive too, doesn't everyone? If I couldn't do it, I have hired someone, no tax money involved!
Who plows the street or road to where you need to go?
I bet it's not you with your shovel... Betcha it's tax money that pays for it...
....ned
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2011,9:08 am
Damn Ned, you thinlk that if the Gov. isn't here to wipe our noses that there would be this giant vacumm,Free enterprise would take over very quickly.
Posted by nedkelly on Sep. 24 2011,9:37 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2011,9:08 am)
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Damn Ned, you thinlk that if the Gov. isn't here to wipe our noses that there would be this giant vacumm,
Free enterprise would take over very quickly.
Free enterprise would take over very quickly.
There is always Somalia, as an example of free enterprise, you want to live like that?...ned
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2011,1:46 pm
^I think we're in the deeper end of the gene pool
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 24 2011,1:52 pm
(nedkelly @ Sep. 24 2011,7:25 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 23 2011,5:34 pm)
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I create my own shovel ready project every time it snows. Yep just me and my own shovel.
It is actually quite rewarding doing something for yourself.
It is actually quite rewarding doing something for yourself.
I do my own drive too, doesn't everyone? If I couldn't do it, I have hired someone, no tax money involved!
Who plows the street or road to where you need to go?
I bet it's not you with your shovel... Betcha it's tax money that pays for it...
...nedAre you some kind of comedian? Infrastructure is one of the functions of government. And my property taxes pay for those services.
So what's your angle?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 24 2011,2:12 pm
(nedkelly @ Sep. 24 2011,9:37 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2011,9:08 am)
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Damn Ned, you thinlk that if the Gov. isn't here to wipe our noses that there would be this giant vacumm,
Free enterprise would take over very quickly.
Free enterprise would take over very quickly.
There is always Somalia, as an example of free enterprise, you want to live like that?...ned
Using somalia and skinnies as an example of free enterprise would be wrong. What is going on in somalia is a den of losers, wastes of O2 and cut-throats and thieves and straight up chaos. That whole country needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.
Posted by nedkelly on Sep. 24 2011,4:31 pm
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Using somalia and skinnies as an example of free enterprise would be wrong. What is going on in somalia is a den of losers, wastes of O2 and cut-throats and thieves and straight up chaos. That whole country needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.
Sounds like you just described our representatives in DC...... ned
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 24 2011,4:36 pm
(nedkelly @ Sep. 24 2011,4:31 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 24 2011,2:12 pm)
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Using somalia and skinnies as an example of free enterprise would be wrong. What is going on in somalia is a den of losers, wastes of O2 and cut-throats and thieves and straight up chaos. That whole country needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.
Sounds like you just described our representatives in DC... ned
good one.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 01 2011,4:17 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 24 2011,4:36 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 24 2011,2:12 pm)
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Using somalia and skinnies as an example of free enterprise would be wrong. What is going on in somalia is a den of losers, wastes of O2 and cut-throats and thieves and straight up chaos. That whole country needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.
Sounds like you just described our representatives in DC... ned
good one.Hey Zippy.. He's talking about the Do Nothing Republicans in the House of Reps.. Do Nothing so the Economy sinks back into a recession increasing further job losses, stock losses, foreclosures and more pain for more people.. What they won't do to get rid of Obama??
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The last recession, which caused the U.S. economy to shrink by more than 5%, lasted from December 2007 through June 2009, and was the nation's longest and deepest downturn since the Great Depression.
The recovery that followed has been relatively weak, and if Achuthan's forecast is correct, short. Only once in the last 50 years has a period of expansion lasted less than three years.
That poses a threat to the economy, since it makes it less likely the labor market will be able to recover the jobs lost during a recession before falling into a new period of job losses.
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Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 03 2011,12:19 am
So, does the graph mean that we should elect another republican President, and give more tax breaks to the rich? 
Seriously though, repubs keep the economy in the red, dems put it in the blue and then republicans complain because it's not improving as much as they'd like it to. Everytime Boehner gives a speech I'm waiting for Ashton to come out and say we're getting punk'd.
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 04 2011,4:20 am
Obama wants jobs bill vote this month WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says he expects Congress to vote on jobs legislation this month and plans to press legislative leaders from both parties to act quickly on the $447 billion proposal he delivered three weeks ago.
Posted by nedkelly on Oct. 04 2011,7:34 am
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So, does the graph mean that we should elect another republican President, and give more tax breaks to the rich?
Seriously though, repubs keep the economy in the red, dems put it in the blue and then republicans complain because it's not improving as much as they'd like it to. Everytime Boehner gives a speech I'm waiting for Ashton to come out and say we're getting punk'd.
Seriously though, repubs keep the economy in the red, dems put it in the blue and then republicans complain because it's not improving as much as they'd like it to. Everytime Boehner gives a speech I'm waiting for Ashton to come out and say we're getting punk'd.
We have had tax breaks for the rich since the Reagan years....
....ned
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 04 2011,9:08 pm
And they still pay more than you.
Posted by nedkelly on Oct. 05 2011,7:22 am
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 04 2011,9:08 pm)
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And they still pay more than you.
How would and idiot like you even have a clue what I pay?...
...The rich might pay more than I do but they enjoy more of the benefits of democracy...Percentage wise I most likely pay a greater share of my gross income than a joker like you does...Have a good day.... ...ned
Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 05 2011,12:48 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 04 2011,9:08 pm)
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And they still pay more than you.
President Reagan agrees with President Obama.. Tax The Rich!!
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