Topic: OBAMA
started by: Common Citizen
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 04 2008,11:18 am
Presidential candidate Barack Obama wants to bring Chicago-style politics to Washington. Obama chats with key backer Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley at a recent campaign rally.Gee, can't wait for this to happen.
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Chicago Worst City for Personal Freedoms
Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:37 PM
Chicago is the worst “nanny-state” city in the U.S. — the metropolis with the most stringent regulations interfering with the exercise of personal freedoms.
That’s the finding of a survey by Reason magazine, a libertarian publication, which ranked cities according to the degree they treat citizens as a “nanny” might treat children incapable of making their own decisions.
The magazine ranked the 35 most populous American municipalities in eight categories: sex, alcohol, tobacco, guns, movement, drugs, gambling, and a catch-all category of food and “other.” The higher the score, from 1 to 35, the more restrictive the city.
In the sex category, for instance, Reason looked at such factors as the number of strip clubs per capita, gay-friendliness, and adult entertainment regulations.
For alcohol, it took into account restrictions on happy hours and operating hours, blue laws and excise taxes on beer, wine and liquor.
The movement category included laws governing seatbelt and motorcycle helmet use, and government-operated surveillance cameras.
And for the food/other category, Reason looked at menu-labeling laws, pet codes, bans on trans fats, cabaret laws and other regulations of “a paternalistic nature.”
Chicago finished in the bottom half of every category, including 34 for tobacco, 33 for guns and 28 for food/other.
Reason cited a ban on serving alcohol at all-nude strip clubs, restrictive gun control laws, a public smoking ban, and widespread use of surveillance cameras. It also noted that nearly a quarter of Chicago’s precincts are alcohol-free.
Not far behind in second place was Seattle, with 35 for both alcohol and smoking and 32 for food/other, although it did receive a 4 in the drug category for its permissive marijuana laws.
New York was next, with 34 for food/other, 31 for smoking and 28 for movement. The city banned trans fats in restaurant cooking oils and ordered fast food chains to show calorie content on their menus. Police have issued citations for infractions as minor as sitting improperly on a milk crate, and from 1997 to 2006 they arrested and jailed more than 353,000 people for possessing small amounts of marijuana.
At the other end of the rankings was, not surprisingly, Las Vegas, which in addition to 1 for gambling also got 1 for sex, 4 for alcohol, 6 for movement, and 7 for food/other.
Miami was next, finishing in the top half of all categories except drugs, with 1 for movement and 1 for food/other.
The city “melds Florida’s conservative guns ‘n’ smokes freedom with the licentiousness you might expect from a cosmopolitan port,” Reason observes.
Three other Southern cities finished in the top 10 — Louisville, Jacksonville, and Atlanta.
Here are the rankings, from most “nanny” to least:
35. Chicago
34. Seattle
33. New York
32. Boston
31. El Paso
30. San Diego
29. Nashville
28. Houston
27. Los Angeles
26. Charlotte
25. Philadelphia
24. Indianapolis
23. Memphis
22. Columbus
21. Washington, D.C.
20. San Francisco
19. Baltimore
18. San Jose
17. Dallas
16. Cleveland
15. Phoenix
14. Austin
13. San Antonio
12. Oakland
11. Ft. Worth
10. Detroit
9. Atlanta
8. Jacksonville
7. Portland
6. Milwaukee
5. Kansas City
4. Louisville
3. Denver
2. Miami
1. Las Vegas
Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:37 PM
Chicago is the worst “nanny-state” city in the U.S. — the metropolis with the most stringent regulations interfering with the exercise of personal freedoms.
That’s the finding of a survey by Reason magazine, a libertarian publication, which ranked cities according to the degree they treat citizens as a “nanny” might treat children incapable of making their own decisions.
The magazine ranked the 35 most populous American municipalities in eight categories: sex, alcohol, tobacco, guns, movement, drugs, gambling, and a catch-all category of food and “other.” The higher the score, from 1 to 35, the more restrictive the city.
In the sex category, for instance, Reason looked at such factors as the number of strip clubs per capita, gay-friendliness, and adult entertainment regulations.
For alcohol, it took into account restrictions on happy hours and operating hours, blue laws and excise taxes on beer, wine and liquor.
The movement category included laws governing seatbelt and motorcycle helmet use, and government-operated surveillance cameras.
And for the food/other category, Reason looked at menu-labeling laws, pet codes, bans on trans fats, cabaret laws and other regulations of “a paternalistic nature.”
Chicago finished in the bottom half of every category, including 34 for tobacco, 33 for guns and 28 for food/other.
Reason cited a ban on serving alcohol at all-nude strip clubs, restrictive gun control laws, a public smoking ban, and widespread use of surveillance cameras. It also noted that nearly a quarter of Chicago’s precincts are alcohol-free.
Not far behind in second place was Seattle, with 35 for both alcohol and smoking and 32 for food/other, although it did receive a 4 in the drug category for its permissive marijuana laws.
New York was next, with 34 for food/other, 31 for smoking and 28 for movement. The city banned trans fats in restaurant cooking oils and ordered fast food chains to show calorie content on their menus. Police have issued citations for infractions as minor as sitting improperly on a milk crate, and from 1997 to 2006 they arrested and jailed more than 353,000 people for possessing small amounts of marijuana.
At the other end of the rankings was, not surprisingly, Las Vegas, which in addition to 1 for gambling also got 1 for sex, 4 for alcohol, 6 for movement, and 7 for food/other.
Miami was next, finishing in the top half of all categories except drugs, with 1 for movement and 1 for food/other.
The city “melds Florida’s conservative guns ‘n’ smokes freedom with the licentiousness you might expect from a cosmopolitan port,” Reason observes.
Three other Southern cities finished in the top 10 — Louisville, Jacksonville, and Atlanta.
Here are the rankings, from most “nanny” to least:
35. Chicago
34. Seattle
33. New York
32. Boston
31. El Paso
30. San Diego
29. Nashville
28. Houston
27. Los Angeles
26. Charlotte
25. Philadelphia
24. Indianapolis
23. Memphis
22. Columbus
21. Washington, D.C.
20. San Francisco
19. Baltimore
18. San Jose
17. Dallas
16. Cleveland
15. Phoenix
14. Austin
13. San Antonio
12. Oakland
11. Ft. Worth
10. Detroit
9. Atlanta
8. Jacksonville
7. Portland
6. Milwaukee
5. Kansas City
4. Louisville
3. Denver
2. Miami
1. Las Vegas
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 04 2008,12:28 pm
What? The Twin Cities--the People's Republic of Minnesota didn't make the list? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I SAY! Does the Red Star know about this? Expect an editorial calling for more government programs, so we can be #1.
This from the paper that calls for MORE taxes, and that government should "Do more".
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 04 2008,2:55 pm
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Presidential candidate Barack Obama wants to bring Chicago-style politics to Washington. Obama chats with key backer Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley at a recent campaign rally.
Well being that the chances of you moving to NYC or LA are probably very slim. You shouldn't really have to worry about it should you? lol
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 06 2008,5:40 pm
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Posted by CalcuttaClipper on Aug. 06 2008,6:58 pm
Obama WILL be the next president of the U.S !! 
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 06 2008,9:11 pm
(jimhanson @ Aug. 04 2008,12:28 pm)
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What? The Twin Cities--the People's Republic of Minnesota didn't make the list? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I SAY!
Does the Red Star know about this? Expect an editorial calling for more government programs, so we can be #1.
This from the paper that calls for MORE taxes, and that government should "Do more".
Does the Red Star know about this? Expect an editorial calling for more government programs, so we can be #1.
This from the paper that calls for MORE taxes, and that government should "Do more".
Jim,
Neither St. Paul nor Minneapolis is individually large enough to make the list.
Minneapolis is the 45h largest city & St. Paul is the 58th largest city in the US by populaltion in 2000.
Omaha is larger than Minneapolis.
hh
Posted by Febreze on Aug. 06 2008,11:14 pm
He should pick Paris for his vice, they both have about the same experience. NOW THATS HOT
Posted by nphilbro on Aug. 07 2008,12:29 am
This was a fascinating article (I googled it and read it in full). I'm surprised that seattle is number 2, not 1. However, many of these laws are statewide voter initiatives. Then again, the area is typically rated one of the best places to live- primary downfall is real-estate costs. The great thing about America is that the citizens of cities and states can vote on initiatives and people that represent their interests.
We're a big country. If you want a hooker, move to Vegas, if you want to smoke in church, move to St. Louis. If you want to openly shoot heroin, Portland, OR is the place to be.
I find Seattle an amazing city that respects civil liberties and overall quality of life more than anywhere I've been in the US.
Now, if you want to burn a heater in a strip club church while packing .45, serving fortified alcohol communion to the chronically homeless- be my guest.
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Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 07 2008,1:15 pm
(CalcuttaClipper @ Aug. 06 2008,6:58 pm)
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Obama WILL be the next president of the U.S !!
Obama has already proposed that he wants healthcare for illegals. *buzz* Thanks for playing.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 13 2008,11:16 am
All this talk about Edwards has sparked debate about McCain. Here is why this should all stop and they should quit pointing fingers. Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 13 2008,11:24 am
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 13 2008,11:47 am
Jim, what's the Vichy government have to do with Obama? Or is that a picture of Clouseau? I don't know, but..
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 13 2008,11:50 am
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Posted by caseynielsen on Aug. 17 2008,8:12 pm
(CalcuttaClipper @ Aug. 06 2008,6:58 pm)
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Obama WILL be the next president of the U.S !!
Yes!
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 17 2008,10:10 pm
Rumor: Obamarama is really the Anti-christ
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 18 2008,10:57 am
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Rumor: Obamarama is really the Anti-christ
Rumor confirmed.
Posted by pixelsmith on Aug. 18 2008,12:15 pm
obama is a "new world order" piece of crap. if you want a one world government and religion then by all means vote for him.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 23 2008,11:02 am
Sen. Barack Obama has selected Senator Joseph Biden as his vice-presidential running mate, according to CNN.< http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Joe_Biden_Civil_Rights.htm >
Posted by Eddie Cochran's Ghost on Aug. 24 2008,9:53 am
Posted by OEF_Soldier on Aug. 24 2008,10:51 am
"The system of accountability is, it used to be a gentlemanly thing, as they say, when you make serious mistakes, you step forward and you acknowledge them and you walk away."< Full Blog >
While Joe Biden is perhaps the best pick for a running mate for the Democrats one has to wonder when he will follow his own words and apologize to the Marines who were accused of the Haditha massacre. 7 of the 8 had the charges dismissed or the case dropped due to undue command influence. 7 of the 8 are free with the last one still awaiting trial. Much like the dirtbag John Murtha I doubt we will see anything in the form of an apology from Joe Biden anytime soon.
I would much rather see Joe Biden as the VP selection than Billary though so perhaps he is the lesser evil of the choices Barry had to choose from.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 24 2008,10:58 am
Yep, they're all innocent just like O.J.
Posted by OEF_Soldier on Aug. 24 2008,5:57 pm
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Yep, they're all innocent just like O.J.
Well apparently the Military justice system felt they were not guilty of what they had been accused of and for those Marines that is what matters most.
The uber liberal media had a field day trumpeting this supposed war crime and even likened it to Vietnams My Lai massacre. Unfortunately now that they are being proven wrong few if any have come forth to offer an apology for their rush to judgement. As for Murtha well he is doing what he does best when confronted with his comments about this incident.....he runs to the nearest elevator and hides.
1 found not guilty on all counts, 5 had the charges dismissed, 1 who had the case dropped due to UCI and 1 left to go. Oh and the LtCol who had the charges dismissed due to UCI......those charges were dismissed without predjudice which means that he cannot be recharged with the same offense later.
But now back onto the topic of this thread......
It is unlikely Biden will ever take his own advice anymore than any other politician, Rep or Dem, so one can only hope he makes a better VP than any of the other choices Barry had available.
Posted by bianca on Aug. 24 2008,7:39 pm
Everytime I go to the grocery store or the gas station it reconfirms my vote for Obama and Biden. Our country is broke thanks to............. 
Posted by Eddie Cochran's Ghost on Aug. 25 2008,7:57 am
(bianca @ Aug. 24 2008,7:39 pm)
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Everytime I go to the grocery store or the gas station it reconfirms my vote for Obama and Biden. Our country is broke thanks to.............
And when gas goes to more than $6.00/gallon after Obama's "windfall" profits tax are you going to get on your knees and kiss his robe? Do you have any freaking understanding of how legislative mandates in the name of over-hyped environmental concerns (enviro-fascism) and the increased demands from China and other countries have impacted this? IF Obama wins, what do you think the speculators (and no, they are not evil) will do?
Seriously, are you THAT naive and uninformed?
Posted by fredbear on Aug. 25 2008,8:04 am
Most Obamamites are.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 25 2008,11:48 am
(bianca @ Aug. 24 2008,7:39 pm)
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Everytime I go to the grocery store or the gas station it reconfirms my vote for Obama and Biden. Our country is broke thanks to.............
Only a lib would a support a guy that believes China's infrastructure is superior to us and that THAT is the reason corporations would choose China over the US.
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Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think Beijing looks like a pretty good option.
Nothing like a one child policy...millions of people who are starving...internet resrictions...free-speech restrictions...a government corrupt with paranoia.
Why do libs insist on putting the U.S. down? What pro-U.S. statements have the libs made since running their campaigns? I'm sick and tired of politicians putting my country down. Libs have transformed the word patriot from actually loving your country to one who has disdain and contempt. That's their new definition of patriotism...
and another quote...
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'Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states. I think one left to go.'
What a moron...
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"According to Obama's tax returns from 2000-2006, the Obamas have given far less to charity than John McCain has. In all but the two most recent years reported, the Obamas gave around 1% or less of their income to charity. Their contributions increased in 2005 and 2006 to 4.7% and 6.1% respectively, but still are far short of those of McCain who gave 28.6% in 2006 and 27.3% in 2007." But what about his concern for "the least among us."
Only a lib would allow his own flesh and blood to live in a hut on poverty while he banks millions on a book deal.
The audacity of Obama...
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 25 2008,2:01 pm
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Obama's Minnesota campaign headquarters vandalized
August 25, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Police say Barack Obama's Minnesota campaign headquarters in St. Paul had three plate glass windows and a glass door smashed early Sunday morning.
Police arrived at the Democratic senator's headquarters about 1:15 a.m. A report says vandals threw bricks through the windows and door and splattered paint on the outside and inside of the building.
One person was at the headquarters at the time of the incident but was unharmed.
No arrests have been made and the police are asking for the public's help to find those responsible for the vandalism.
Obama spokesman Nick Kimball says the door has been replaced, but the windows have been boarded up until the glass can be replaced in the next few days.
"It doesn't seem like a big deal," Kimball said.
(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
August 25, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Police say Barack Obama's Minnesota campaign headquarters in St. Paul had three plate glass windows and a glass door smashed early Sunday morning.
Police arrived at the Democratic senator's headquarters about 1:15 a.m. A report says vandals threw bricks through the windows and door and splattered paint on the outside and inside of the building.
One person was at the headquarters at the time of the incident but was unharmed.
No arrests have been made and the police are asking for the public's help to find those responsible for the vandalism.
Obama spokesman Nick Kimball says the door has been replaced, but the windows have been boarded up until the glass can be replaced in the next few days.
"It doesn't seem like a big deal," Kimball said.
(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 25 2008,2:09 pm
Well all the ludicrous political rhetoric aside. The guy that he (Obama) picked. Seems like a pretty solid (savy,wise,etc) choice. IMO
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 25 2008,4:52 pm
I've been in Canada, so didn't get the word.QUOTE
Seems like a pretty solid (savy,wise,etc) choice.
And what has he done to be savvy and wise? Tried to pass off the works of other people as his own?
Here's a link to the Washington Post story--Biden saying Obama is "Not ready for prime time" and that "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain."
Obama gives a great speech when he reads the words of others on the TelePrompter.
Biden simply passes off the words of others as his own.
Obama couldn't have done worse--the plagiarism issue that knocked Biden out of the 1988 election will dog him for the rest of his political life--proof yet again that Obama is not ready for prime time.
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 25 2008,6:28 pm
Of the 3 he had it dwindled down to I though that was a good choice. The other seemed more obscure and less well known . Plus I thought, the thought was that he could help them carry Pennsylvania.Also...
Now when McCain sez I'm an old senator....
The Biden and Obama team can say, "check we've got of those here too".
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Biden simply passes off the words of others as his own
All the "great" ones (songwriters,speech guys, artists) do that. If you're NOT doing that. You're not doing it right. IMO
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 25 2008,7:04 pm
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Obama couldn't have done worse--the plagiarism issue that knocked Biden out of the 1988 election will dog him for the rest of his political life--proof yet again that Obama is not ready for prime time.
Doesn't seem to have hurt him too bad considering he's still a senator 20 years later.
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 25 2008,7:08 pm
Some of the pundits are claiming that Obama took the "safe" route--because of his former Presidential campaigns, all the negative material is already out in the open--"old news". If Edwards hadn't self-imploded, he is the one I would have been most concerned about--a Southerner (helps Obama in Southern states), a liberal to the right of Obama (but then, EVERYBODY is right of Obama
), and a "Pretty Boy" (helps with the female vote, unless they get jealous of his hair.) QUOTE
All the "great" ones (songwriters,speech guys, artists) do that. If you're NOT doing that. You're not doing it right.
Try stealing someone elses work, and you'll be hit with a lawsuit RIGHT NOW. Recall John Lennon's "My Sweet Lord" infringement on the tune of "He's so fine"? Cost him millions.Hard to be a leader and decision maker if you don't have original thoughts. If you DO use someone else's material, you should give attribution for it.
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 25 2008,7:18 pm
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Try stealing someone elses work, and you'll be hit with a lawsuit RIGHT NOW. Recall John Lennon's "My Sweet Lord" infringement on the tune of "He's so fine"? Cost him millions.
I would agree with most of that yes. There is and art to it and you do have to be careful, in the way you do it.
But I would stand by the assertion that you try and emulate success and established greatness. And I don't see that as a bad thing for a so called leader to do.
Oh and I think it was the one they called Ringo that wrote/plagurized that one.
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 25 2008,7:22 pm
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Doesn't seem to have hurt him too bad considering he's still a senator 20 years later.
From the reliably libbie state of Delaware? Just HOW BAD a Senator would you have to be to have a Democrat lose there? Here's a brief background from Slate magazine, via today's issue of RealClearPolitics. null< My Webpage >
If a proven and self-admitted plagiarizer, resume inflator, and liar doesn't bother voters--perhaps they DO have a home in the Democrat Party!
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 25 2008,7:28 pm
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Oh and I think it was the one they called Ringo that wrote/plagurized that one.
Both wrong--It was George Harrison.QUOTE
But I would stand by the assertion that you try and emulate success and established greatness. And I don't see that as a bad thing for a so called leader to do.
Yes, we can and should learn from history--but we should give attribution where deserved, instead of trying to take credit for ourselves.Someone that would do that is lying to you. See the signature line at the bottom of my post.
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 25 2008,7:32 pm
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Both wrong--It was George Harrison.
I know I was just kidding.
Posted by CalcuttaClipper on Aug. 26 2008,7:32 am
I dont think the VP candiate makes much of a difference on if you are going to vote for the person or not... There is no way he could of picked Hilary after they both slammed each other so much...McCain's party would of took advantage of that.... With that said, I like the pick and still believe Obama will be the next president...
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 26 2008,8:27 am
^ Tell us Calcutta...what is it that you like about him?What are the policies that you believe he will implement that will be better for this country in the near future and in the long term?
I have yet to hear a supporter of Obama state specific reasons as to why? Please share with us...
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 26 2008,8:32 am
Did anyone notice what Michelle Obama said about public education? How much money has the NEA given the campaign anyway. Kind of funny that she is an expert on public education seeing as she went to Princeton. And what was with Keith Obermann last night...I thought he was having an orgasm after she spoke.
Posted by CalcuttaClipper on Aug. 26 2008,9:13 am
Common Citizen, I think all candidates come in with the same things, they say lower taxes, better for middle income families, better health care, and better foreign policy... I am a Democrat and have been for a while.
I just think its time for change, a new party and new start, after 8 years of Bush... All candidates are going to make promises, but with his health care reform, his tax relief for the middle class, his views on Iraq and reform of the immigration system, I am behind him...
Again whoever wins, is all the things they say going to happen, NO... But when it comes down to it, I want my president to be a person, that when he speaks and looks out to the America people, he is someone you feel you can trust and believe in what he is saying.. I believe in Barack...
8 years ago I was a McCain backer even though I am a democrat, If he would of knocked out Bush I would of voted for him against Gore... But now after 8 years of Bush, its time for a change...Go obama
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 26 2008,9:37 am
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I just think its time for change, a new party and new start, after 8 years of Bush... All candidates are going to make promises, but with his health care reform, his tax relief for the middle class, his views on Iraq and reform of the immigration system, I am behind him...
I don't agree with the new party idea...because it isn't a new party. Frankly the "new" party has been in control of congress for how long now, and havn't done a damn thing. So much for the idea of change.
Health care reform: What is it that he want's to change that you feel specifically will be for the better of our country?
Tax Relief for Middle Class: How much is he going to cut for these people and how does Obama define middle class in terms of income guidelines? Why does Obama come off sounding like a person who thinks making money is bad and therefore should punish people for being successful?
Immigration: What specifically does he want to do and what do think he will do?
I can easily look this up myself but I want to know how you have interpreted what he "stands" for and why you believe in his cause.
Posted by hot84svo on Aug. 26 2008,9:43 am
It's been awhile since the president has come right out of the Senate.JFK came right out the senate and also served in the Navy.
Bush 41 came out of the house, and so did Ford but both were VP 1st.
Leadership before the nomination:
Bush 43 - Gov State of Texas
Clinton- Gov State of Arkansas
Bush 41 - Director of CIA & VP
Reagan- Gov State of California
Carter- Gov State of Georgia
Ford- VP
Nixon - VP
Johnson- VP
Either Barry or John are going to do something that has not happen in awhile, a senator for president.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 26 2008,10:05 am
Ford was never elected.
Posted by hot84svo on Aug. 26 2008,12:24 pm
Yes you are correct, Ford was nominated in 76 and lost -after dicky left, gerry took over a huge mess and never had a chance in 76
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 26 2008,12:42 pm
Born: 7/14/1913Birthplace: Omaha, Neb.
Gerald Rudolph Ford was born Leslie King Jr. in Omaha, Neb., on July 14, 1913, the only child of Leslie and Dorothy Gardner King. His parents were divorced in 1915. His mother moved to Grand Rapids, Mich., and married Gerald R. Ford. The boy was renamed for his stepfather.
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 26 2008,4:08 pm
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Leadership before the nomination:
Bush 43 - Gov State of Texas
Clinton- Gov State of Arkansas
Bush 41 - Director of CIA & VP
Reagan- Gov State of California
Carter- Gov State of Georgia
Ford- VP
Nixon - VP
Johnson- VP
Bush 43 - Gov State of Texas
Clinton- Gov State of Arkansas
Bush 41 - Director of CIA & VP
Reagan- Gov State of California
Carter- Gov State of Georgia
Ford- VP
Nixon - VP
Johnson- VP
Makes Barry's resume a little laughable, doesn't it?
"Community organizer"
"State Senator"
"143 days as a U.S. Senator"
"Authored ONE piece of legislation--to give .7% of the entire U.S. GDP to the UN
($845,000,000,000 or $2000 for every man, woman, and child in the country) for global poverty relief". The man has no experience, has never run anything other than a failed experiment in giving away government money (how bad do you have to be to fail at giving away money?)
No major corporation would consider him for any top management post, yet the lock-step-libbies consider the most liberal U.S. Senator as Presidential material just because he has a (D) after his name.
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 26 2008,4:20 pm
Common Citizen QUOTE
Health care reform: What is it that he want's to change that you feel specifically will be for the better of our country?
Tax Relief for Middle Class: How much is he going to cut for these people and how does Obama define middle class in terms of income guidelines? Why does Obama come off sounding like a person who thinks making money is bad and therefore should punish people for being successful?
Immigration: What specifically does he want to do and what do think he will do?
I can easily look this up myself but I want to know how you have interpreted what he "stands" for and why you believe in his cause.
Tax Relief for Middle Class: How much is he going to cut for these people and how does Obama define middle class in terms of income guidelines? Why does Obama come off sounding like a person who thinks making money is bad and therefore should punish people for being successful?
Immigration: What specifically does he want to do and what do think he will do?
I can easily look this up myself but I want to know how you have interpreted what he "stands" for and why you believe in his cause.
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What are the policies that you believe he will implement that will be better for this country in the near future and in the long term?
I have yet to hear a supporter of Obama state specific reasons as to why? Please share with us...
I have yet to hear a supporter of Obama state specific reasons as to why? Please share with us...
Sound of crickets chirping.............
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 26 2008,4:53 pm
On a lighter note--a preview of tonights Hillary speech. < My Webpage >
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And you libbies think this guy is the best thing since sliced bread...
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Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 08 2008,8:20 pm
Near West Plains., MO. Was in the quill last night. The town is enraged about it and want to know who put it up.Also: Others write that it’s the truth:
^now that is some funny stuff,
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 08 2008,8:50 pm
I could think of one person?
Posted by grassman on Oct. 09 2008,7:39 am
Not that I am a big Obama fan but CC, do you ever look at anything other than right wing propaganda material? You say Liberals drink the kool aid. Jees, what would you say what you are doing is?
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 09 2008,8:34 am
(grassman @ Oct. 09 2008,7:39 am)
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Not that I am a big Obama fan but CC, do you ever look at anything other than right wing propaganda material? You say Liberals drink the kool aid. Jees, what would you say what you are doing is?
What did I say that wasn't true?
I am an admitted conservative, disillusioned by the New Republican party (or whatever they are trying to be), turned independent for that reason...I am the polar opposite of a liberal so yes my rantings will be directed toward the misguided looney lefties...but I try to only espouse truths...
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 09 2008,2:11 pm
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 09 2008,2:29 pm
^AMEN REVEREND.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 09 2008,2:39 pm
When the NRA took its warnings about Barack Obama to the airwaves, the Senator from Chicago had his lawyers issue 'cease and desist' letters to the television stations.See what Obama doesn't want you to see, and then forward the link to friends.
View all five NRA t.v. ads here > < GunbannerObama >
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 09 2008,4:20 pm
Posted by minnow on Oct. 09 2008,4:23 pm
^You can tell it's all over at this point and an Obama win is a done deal. Look at the sheer desperation in these posts attempting to smear Obama in any way they can. Sad. Panic.It's over. It's economy stupid.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 09 2008,7:38 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 09 2008,4:23 pm)
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^You can tell it's all over at this point and an Obama win is a done deal. Look at the sheer desperation in these posts attempting to smear Obama in any way they can. Sad. Panic.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
I think you forgot this you d!!psh!t.yWere you born stupid or just work real hard at it. Any attempt to get a rational thought from you is akin to
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 09 2008,9:42 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 09 2008,4:23 pm)
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^You can tell it's all over at this point and an Obama win is a done deal. Look at the sheer desperation in these posts attempting to smear Obama in any way they can. Sad. Panic.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
Interesting read from an e-mail I read:
"Obama went to Ayers because Ayers was a terrorist who got away with it.
Obama went to Wright because Wright preached racial hatred and drew crowds.
Obama went to Rezko because he had favors to sell and a need to get rich.
Obama went to Farrakhan because Farrakhan taught hatred of non-muslims.
Obama made his choices to ask these men for their support because of who they are. Every group that hates Capitalism supports Obama. Why?
Every dictator suports Obama. Why?
The media better look harder at what happens to the press under far-left rulers. Obama will not be so appealing when the heavy hand of Obama Youth is in power.
We are considering electing a man who is not vigilant in the protection of our Rights.
We are considering electing a man who is relentless in pursuing power over his neighbors.
Reagan said we are never more than 20 years from a dictator. He was right. It is ironic that it is exatly 20 years after Reagan left office that we may elect one.
It has been 48 years (1960) since a Democratic-Controlled Congress balanced a budget.
Financial experts--yah, right."
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 09 2008,9:48 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 18 2008,10:57 am)
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(hairhertz @ Aug. 17 2008,10:10 pm)
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Rumor: Obamarama is really the Anti-christ
Rumor confirmed.
Were you serious or just being facetious?
Truely, I'm curious.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 09 2008,10:01 pm
(Santorini @ Oct. 09 2008,9:48 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 18 2008,10:57 am)
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(hairhertz @ Aug. 17 2008,10:10 pm)
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Rumor: Obamarama is really the Anti-christ
Rumor confirmed.
Were you serious or just being facetious?
Truely, I'm curious.
Knowing my bro, it is both.
And I agree with my bro. This man is a dangerous POS, that will cripple an already fragile country with his Gov't is Father, Gov't is mother mantra and is no different than Adolf Hitler back in the day.
barak obama
Posted by nphilbro on Oct. 10 2008,2:46 am
(Santorini @ Oct. 09 2008,7:42 pm)
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(minnow @ Oct. 09 2008,4:23 pm)
QUOTE
^You can tell it's all over at this point and an Obama win is a done deal. Look at the sheer desperation in these posts attempting to smear Obama in any way they can. Sad. Panic.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
It's over. It's economy stupid.
Interesting read from an e-mail I read:
"Obama went to Ayers because Ayers was a terrorist who got away with it.
Obama went to Wright because Wright preached racial hatred and drew crowds.
Obama went to Rezko because he had favors to sell and a need to get rich.
Obama went to Farrakhan because Farrakhan taught hatred of non-muslims.
Obama made his choices to ask these men for their support because of who they are. Every group that hates Capitalism supports Obama. Why?
Every dictator suports Obama. Why?
The media better look harder at what happens to the press under far-left rulers. Obama will not be so appealing when the heavy hand of Obama Youth is in power.
We are considering electing a man who is not vigilant in the protection of our Rights.
We are considering electing a man who is relentless in pursuing power over his neighbors.
Reagan said we are never more than 20 years from a dictator. He was right. It is ironic that it is exatly 20 years after Reagan left office that we may elect one.
It has been 48 years (1960) since a Democratic-Controlled Congress balanced a budget.
Financial experts--yah, right."
Santorini-
What can I say? That was a diatribe of profound mistruths that would make Hitler proud.
I'm looking forward to the next ones on jews, muslims, and mexicans- if you have the time.
In the meantime, I'll be listening to the secret wiretaps of colonels pillow talking to their wives from overseas.
Posted by Ned Kelly on Oct. 10 2008,5:03 am
I am just waiting for Dick Cheney to ride up on a white horse to save the day!....................... .........ned
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 10 2008,8:14 am
(Ned Kelly @ Oct. 10 2008,5:03 am)
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I am just waiting for Dick Cheney to ride up on a white horse to save the day!....................... .........ned
.........ned
Posted by grassman on Oct. 10 2008,10:59 am
With his shootin iron at the ready!?
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 10 2008,1:31 pm
(Santorini @ Oct. 09 2008,9:48 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 18 2008,10:57 am)
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(hairhertz @ Aug. 17 2008,10:10 pm)
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Rumor: Obamarama is really the Anti-christ
Rumor confirmed.
Were you serious or just being facetious?
Truely, I'm curious.
I have since learned that I was mistaken. He is not the Antichrist. Just beelzebub.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 27 2008,2:44 pm
"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter and order, and as long as I could pay for it, I'd be OK. But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and the more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society, and to that extent, as radical as, I think, people try to characterize the Warren court, it wasn't that radical; it didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.... One of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think, there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways, we still suffer from that. You can craft theoretical justification for it legally, and any three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts." - Barack (Barry) H. Obama, Chicago Sept. 6, 2001
Ya, keep rooting for him...dumbass libs
nuff said...
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 27 2008,3:00 pm
He has been on this mission. Most are to blind to see it.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 27 2008,3:12 pm
Part of the problem is that you Republicans somehow think you're all smarter than us and that we fall for a smooth speaker because we're all stupid.Anyone that has read Santorini's posts can tell you that's not true.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 27 2008,3:40 pm
Well they can both report back; should Obama get elected and tell us how bad they got reamed. And all the other Uber Wealthy in Freeborn County.
But you might wanna check those median income stats, as I suggested.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 27 2008,8:38 pm
(Liberal @ Oct. 27 2008,3:12 pm)
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Part of the problem is that you Republicans somehow think you're all smarter than us and that we fall for a smooth speaker because we're all stupid.
Anyone that has read Santorini's posts can tell you that's not true.
Anyone that has read Santorini's posts can tell you that's not true.
Now Now Liberal.
How many times to have to repeat myself
I am NOT Republican.
I am Conservative
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 27 2008,8:55 pm
Some interesting read:Source, you liberals should be familiar with this magazine
"THE WEEK" October 31, 2008 issue
"Congress: The comeback of liberalism"
"...polls show Democrats are now poised to make significant gains in Congress, adding to their majority in the House and possibly achieving the crucial "filibuster-proof" 60-vote threshold in the Senate," says Steven Thomma in The Miami Herald.
"If the polls prove right, said Peter Canellos in the Boston Globe, America is about to find out what happens when Democrats are "unfettered"."
"What a chilling thought, said Matthew Continetti in the Weekly Standard. Make no mistake; House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are more than ready to make staggeringly liberal changes in the country's economic, social, and foreign policy. For Starters, that means higher taxes, increased federal spending, more government regulation, protectionist trade policies, carbon-emission limits on industry, and more government intrusion into health care. With an agenda like that, "gridlock" might start sounding pretty good to the American people."
Yep, the last one to leave America turn the lights out
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 27 2008,9:36 pm
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"...polls show Democrats are now poised to make significant gains in Congress, adding to their majority in the House and possibly achieving the crucial "filibuster-proof" 60-vote threshold in the Senate," says Steven Thomma in The Miami Herald.
Happy days are here again...
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2008,5:51 am
^ Yep, back to the days of Jimmy Carter.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,8:16 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2008,5:51 am)
QUOTE
^ Yep, back to the days of Jimmy Carter.
You wish
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 28 2008,9:10 am
Maybe if Republicans would have stuck to their core principles like fiscal conservatism and smaller government, rather than the Bush/Clinton/Bush neo-conservative legacy, they wouldn't find themselves in the mess they're in now.It's hard for people to imagine that McCain would be different than the legacy implied by 8 years of Bush.
Have you seen GW's approval ratings, lately?
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 28 2008,9:14 am
Have you seen congress ratings??? GOP in the whitehouse, DFL in the congress, both suck ass. Time for new blood and do away with this godawful 2 party system that is only it for themselves and not the working stiff
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 28 2008,9:32 am
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 28 2008,9:10 am)
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Maybe if Republicans would have stuck to their core principles like fiscal conservatism and smaller government, rather than the Bush/Clinton/Bush neo-conservative legacy, they wouldn't find themselves in the mess they're in now.
It's hard for people to imagine that McCain would be different than the legacy implied by 8 years of Bush.
Have you seen GW's approval ratings, lately?
It's hard for people to imagine that McCain would be different than the legacy implied by 8 years of Bush.
Have you seen GW's approval ratings, lately?
Notice in my Obama rantings I rarely, if at any time, defended McCain...Ok maybe when the libs lie about him.
Otherwise, my mission is to expose Obama to the kool-aid drinkers, with very little passion for the Republican nominee...
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,9:35 am
(Liberal @ Oct. 27 2008,9:36 pm)
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QUOTE
"...polls show Democrats are now poised to make significant gains in Congress, adding to their majority in the House and possibly achieving the crucial "filibuster-proof" 60-vote threshold in the Senate," says Steven Thomma in The Miami Herald.
Happy days are here again...
So typically Democrat !!!
Only repeat PART of what a message says.
Then turn a deaf ear to the FACTS :
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 28 2008,10:07 am
For the sake of argument, someone give us the bullet-points on how Obama could be worse than what we have had for the last eight years.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 28 2008,10:55 am
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So typically Democrat !!!
Only repeat PART of what a message says.
You repeated part of the article.
I quoted part of that because I was only referencing part of the article.
I'm starting to think you're a straw-man created by a democrat just to make republicans look stupid.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,11:28 am
Yes, interesting. Santorini says she's, "a Democrat who's voting or McCain". Then she says she's a conserative and not a Republican" Sounds like she's really admitting that, well, she's just a liar.
Who are you kidding Santorini? Do you speak in tongues and get excised for witchcraft as well?
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,11:48 am
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 28 2008,10:07 am)
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For the sake of argument, someone give us the bullet-points on how Obama could be worse than what we have had for the last eight years.
Obama Who
Do you mean Barry Soetora
The adopted son of Lulu Soetora
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 28 2008,11:53 am
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,11:28 am)
QUOTE
Yes, interesting. Santorini says she's, "a Democrat who's voting or McCain". Then she says she's a conserative and not a Republican"
Sounds like she's really admitting that, well, she's just a liar.
Who are you kidding Santorini? Do you speak in tongues and get excised for witchcraft as well?
Sounds like she's really admitting that, well, she's just a liar.
Who are you kidding Santorini? Do you speak in tongues and get excised for witchcraft as well?
Once again the local imbecile, puts forth his usual stolid writings.
So a democrat cannot be a conservative? And where is written that a conservative is a republican? And what is so odd that a democrat would vote for mccain, or a republican voting for obama?
I suggest that you just go sit down STFU, and smoke another bowl until your lungs explode. And leave the discussions to the adults. You're DISMISSED.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,11:53 am
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,11:28 am)
QUOTE
Yes, interesting. Santorini says she's, "a Democrat who's voting or McCain". Then she says she's a conserative and not a Republican"
Sounds like she's really admitting that, well, she's just a liar.
Who are you kidding Santorini? Do you speak in tongues and get excised for witchcraft as well?
Sounds like she's really admitting that, well, she's just a liar.
Who are you kidding Santorini? Do you speak in tongues and get excised for witchcraft as well?
Frankly minnow what it does show is that I for one cannot be fooled NOR am I a follower.
Of ANY political party OR person.
It is not always easy to hold to ones convictions considering the abuse one gets from the likes of you
But I for one, will NOT be fooled
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,11:57 am
That's hilarious! Now they're bragging he doesn't have a name that sounds like Osama Hussein Bin Laden! And that name is supposed to be worse! It's like arguing a candidates real name is not Ben Hitler, It's Barry Johnson! Oh my the humanity!
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,12:08 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,11:57 am)
QUOTE
That's hilarious! Now they're bragging he doesn't have a name that sounds like Osama Hussein Bin Laden! And that name is supposed to be worse!
It's like arguing a candidates real name is not Ben Hitler, It's Barry Johnson! Oh my the humanity!
It's like arguing a candidates real name is not Ben Hitler, It's Barry Johnson! Oh my the humanity!
Minnow,
Do you even know who you are defending ??
Look it up
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,12:31 pm
I don't give a rats a$$ about who you think his dad is. Only a neocon would think such jerk-off information is relevant is some way. It's over. It's very satisfying to watch the RNC fall apart before our very eyes. At this point even they know it's all over.
Good! We need to come back to the middle and get assemblance of sanity once again. The Reagan revolution spun out of control and into something that was ugly, hurtful and just plain wrong.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 28 2008,12:38 pm
QUOTE
The Reagan revolution spun out of control and into something that was ugly, hurtful and just plain wrong.
Oh, please O' wise one, please elaborate?
Did I agree everything Reagan did? Of course not. But look at the D!pSh!t that was before Reagan. And tell me it was not better. HMMMMMMMMM.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,12:54 pm
So, now you're running against Carter? You're living 28 years in the past and can't realize a rear view mirror image is distorted. McCain IS NOT Reagan and Obama IS NOT Carter.
This is 2008 and the Reagan revolution has officially come to an unceremonious end. Good bye to Bush Clinton, Bush...THIS is a new beginning.
We are turning the page.
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 28 2008,1:01 pm
Not exactly...QUOTE
In remarks made over the weekend in Seattle, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joseph Biden warned that Barack Obama, if elected president, would be compelled to take deeply unpopular actions in both domestic and foreign policy within months of taking office.
In closed-door gatherings with two audiences of Democratic Party insiders and fundraisers, Biden forecast a major international crisis in the first six months of an Obama administration.
He compared Obama to John F. Kennedy, the last senator to be elected president. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy,” Biden said. “The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Watch. We’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
In closed-door gatherings with two audiences of Democratic Party insiders and fundraisers, Biden forecast a major international crisis in the first six months of an Obama administration.
He compared Obama to John F. Kennedy, the last senator to be elected president. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy,” Biden said. “The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Watch. We’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
< http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008....t-obama >
Don't you have to get back to news anchor stalking at the Austin Y?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 28 2008,1:07 pm
I should have known better to actually get a coherent response from the village idiot.But then again this is coming from someone who uses a handle that is used as bait, and usually does not bode well in the grand scheme of life.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,1:13 pm
Now you're quoting Biden out of context, What did he say after that quote? I agree with you about The Faux Network but the station you work at as a janitor, KAAL, is every-bit as right wing-nut as FOX, perhaps even more. Don't you think you should at least clean your own house first? That is after you clean out the garbage cans I mean.
Leave whats-her-name out of this. She's just a "kid in media training" You know, like KIMT. Speaking of which, did you ever empty garbage cans at KIMT?
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 28 2008,1:15 pm
Gosh I love that little ignore button...
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,1:20 pm
ignore button=burying head in sand I know nut-sing!
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 28 2008,2:19 pm
Twas the Night Before Elections 2008You won't be laughing by the end of this slate!
*'Twas the night before elections*
*And all through the town*
*Tempers were flaring*
*Emotions all up and down!*
**
*I, in my bathrobe*
*With a cat in my lap*
*Had cut off the TV*
*Tired of political crap.
**
*When all of a sudden*
*There arose such a noise*
*I peered out of my window*
*Saw Obama and his boys*
**
*They had come for my wallet*
*They wanted my pay*
*To give to the others*
*Who had not worked a day!*
**
*He snatched up my money*
*And quick as a wink*
*Jumped back on his bandwagon*
*As I gagged from the stink*
**
*He then rallied his henchmen*
*Who were pulling his cart*
*I could tell they were out*
*To tear my country apart!*
**
*' On Fannie, on Freddie, *
*On Biden and Ayers!*
*On Acorn, On Pelosi'*
*He screamed at the pairs!*
**
*They took off for his cause*
*And as he flew out of sight*
*I heard him laugh at the nation*
*Who wouldn't stand up and fight!*
**
*So I leave you to think*
*On this one final note-*
*IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM*
*GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!*
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 28 2008,3:18 pm
dagnabbit, you beat me to it bro!
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 28 2008,4:41 pm
< Obama on Gun Control >
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,5:08 pm
No Obama drama. He doesn't want to take your hunting arms away and wants states to be able to make their own rules to better suit local problems. Don't believe the drama.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,5:34 pm
Minnow, Oh really, so when did you last talk to Obama about this?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 28 2008,5:35 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,5:08 pm)
QUOTE
No Obama drama. He doesn't want to take your hunting arms away and wants states to be able to make their own rules to better suit local problems. Don't believe the drama.
One lil problem there small fish.
2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting, has everything to do with a birthright, and gives WE THE PEOPLE teeth against enemies foreign and domestic.
One other problem, states cannot enact laws that are in direct conflict with the Constitution of the US. Constitution of the US is supreme law of of the land and super-cedes all other laws and treaties.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 28 2008,5:37 pm
I've seen this in a lot of Obama commercials lately.< http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ >
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,5:37 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,1:20 pm)
QUOTE
ignore button=burying head in sand
I know nut-sing!
I know nut-sing!
Minnow,
Self-portrait
The "quote" pretty well describes you too
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,5:40 pm
Actually, I've spoken to President Obama twice in Iowa a couple years back. He was everywhere, as you may recall. He wasn't the superstar he is now. He wasn't even supposed to beat Hillary and was happy to talk with even me. I guess an advantage of living so close to Iowa and it's first in the nation status. It's funny, Johnny calls himself the straight talk express but he's been the complete opposite. Obama's been far more honest and straight while McCain just throws dirt.President Obama's positions are well known. He's been out there on the trail for years and all you have to do is a little neutral research. I can't be doing all your homework for you. That'd be Libby.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,5:40 pm
Glad I Left,Did you write that poem??
It is "Life" with Obama in a nut-shell!!
Good one
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 28 2008,5:52 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 28 2008,5:40 pm)
QUOTE
Actually, I've spoken to President Obama twice in Iowa a couple years back.
What kind of access will you get when you're in prison?
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,5:56 pm
Okay minnow, I'll take your bait.Obama has been on the trail for years.
Care to be specific?
Considering this is his FIRST term in the Senate, and he has been campaigning for 2 years of that one term.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 28 2008,6:34 pm
(hymiebravo @ Oct. 28 2008,5:37 pm)
QUOTE
I've seen this in a lot of Obama commercials lately.
< http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ >
< http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ >
I don't get it...
I get an $1800 tax savings if I make between $100 -$150k But the family making $30,000 gets a $2228 tax savings and pays less money overall to the treasury to boot...
If my overall tax bill is higher than the family making $30,000 why do they get a higher tax savings?
So Obama supporters feel that's fair...give me a break!!
Tell me he's not a socialist...
FLAT TAX IS THE ONLY FAIR TAX SYSTEM THEIR IS...PERIOD!!
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 28 2008,6:58 pm
Obama's ties...• The Khalid al-Mansour connection: According to former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton, Mansour "was raising money for" Obama's expenses at Harvard Law School. Mansour, a black American (né Don Warden), became adviser to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talal, CAIR's largest individual donor. Mansour holds standard Islamist views: He absolves the Islamist government in Sudan of sponsoring slavery, he denies a Jewish tie to Jerusalem and he wrote a booklet titled "Americans Beware! The Zionist Plot Against S. Arabia." (Both Obama and Mansour deny Sutton's account.)
• The Kenny Gamble (also known as Luqman Abdul-Haqq) connection: Gamble, a once-prominent pop music producer, cut the ribbon to the Obama campaign headquarters housed in a South Philadelphia building he owns. Gamble is an Islamist who buys large swaths of real estate in Philadelphia to create a Muslim-only residential area. Also, as the self-styled "amir" of the United Muslim Movement, he has many links to Islamist organizations, including CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in North America. (MANA's "amir" is Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.)
• The Mazen Asbahi connection: The Obama campaign's first Muslim outreach coordinator resigned after it came to light that he had served on the board of a subsidiary of the Saudi-sponsored North American Islamic Trust, with Jamal Said, another unindicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Hamas funding trial. Asbahi has ties to CAIR's Chicago and Detroit offices, to the Islamic Society of North America, yet another unindicted co-conspirator in the Hamas funding trial, and to other Islamist organizations.
• The Minha Husaini connection: The campaign's second Muslim outreach coordinator has an Islamist background, having served as an intern in the Muslim Public Service Network. Immediately upon her appointment by Obama, she met with a group of about 30 Muslims including such notorious figures as CAIR's Nihad Awad; the Muslim American Society's Mahdi Bray, who has publicly supported Hamas and Hizbullah; and Johari Abdul Malik of the Dar al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, who has advised American Muslims: "You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work."
Posted by minnow on Oct. 28 2008,7:06 pm
Well, what can I say. That settles it then. Obama is a radical Muslim terrorist who's about to sneak into the Presidents chair. From there he'll be able direct El Qaeda and carry out a Jihad on the American people. I had no idea!? Thanks for letting me know that. I was about to vote for him.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,8:03 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 28 2008,6:34 pm)
QUOTE
(hymiebravo @ Oct. 28 2008,5:37 pm)
QUOTE
I've seen this in a lot of Obama commercials lately.
< http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ >
< http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ >
I don't get it...
I get an $1800 tax savings if I make between $100 -$150k But the family making $30,000 gets a $2228 tax savings and pays less money overall to the treasury to boot...
If my overall tax bill is higher than the family making $30,000 why do they get a higher tax savings?
So Obama supporters feel that's fair...give me a break!!
Tell me he's not a socialist...
FLAT TAX IS THE ONLY FAIR TAX SYSTEM THEIR IS...PERIOD!!
I did the formula for the tax break with Obama's plan V McCain plan too.
Only,
Making between 30 to 40 K with no dependents, filing joint would give a tax break of $1110 according to Obama's plan and $0 with McCain's plan.
I will not sell my soul for a mere $1000
I agree with you on the flat tax. Sure would simplfy things.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 28 2008,8:15 pm
Common Citizen,Re: Obama Ties
It will never cease to amaze me just how blindly the sheep follow and defend this guy.
Don't care that his associates are known radicals!
Don't care about his radical ideas!
Don't care that he doesn't have a solid message!
Don't care that he is totally inexperienced!
Don't care that he produces no substance in his speaches!
Don't care who is on his payroll or where/how he gets funding!
Don't care that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth!
Don't care that his plans are going to cost Billions!
at the taxpayers expense.
They don't care.
That's what happen when one lets hatred rule them.
They cannot think logically, because they can't get past the hate. Evident by all the negative postings on here about Bush/ McCain/ Palin.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 28 2008,8:57 pm
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I agree with you on the flat tax. Sure would simplfy things.
Except we're talking about voting for President.
Unless I missed something. There won't be a proposition on the ballot for a national flat tax.
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They cannot think logically, because they can't get past the hate. Evident by all the negative postings on here about Bush/ McCain/ Palin.
And there hasn't been any sort of negative remarks made the other way.
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 29 2008,8:28 am
(Santorini @ Oct. 28 2008,5:40 pm)
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Glad I Left,
Did you write that poem??
It is "Life" with Obama in a nut-shell!!
Good one
Did you write that poem??
It is "Life" with Obama in a nut-shell!!
Good one
Not this one. In my younger days I dabbled in the poetry but there's no money in that. Got that one in an email from my dear mommy.
She sends me stuff all the time. Most of it is junk that I check on snopes etc.. Then she gets mad when I show links to debunk the info she provides.
Sybil would be glad to know 90% of the time it is anti-Obama stuff.
My brother and I came from a pretty diverse house politically, our mom tended to be more repubilican and the old man was definately more democrat. We didn't talk politics alot growing up that I recall but I knew their leanings. That is probably with GD and I turned out to be neither GOP or DFL and more independant, self thinkers that don't drink the kool aid from either party.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 29 2008,9:49 am
Interesting political upbringing Glad I Left.Sounds like my house.
Spouse and I are and always have been politically opposed. Makes for intersting conversation!!
The kids are at voting age now and have lots of questions. "I don't even know who to vote for" they say. Well...I can fix that. Here take this list of names with you and it will make it much easier I tell them. That way, even though the spouse and I cancel each other out, I'm guaranteed a vote in my favor
Posted by minnow on Oct. 29 2008,2:10 pm
You're a one issue voter santorini, period. Don't even pretend that other issues have any effect on your vote. All that is, is BS to hide your real ulterior motive. You'll say anything about a candidate because of your one issue abortion. An egg is not a chicken. It's an egg.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 29 2008,3:27 pm
< Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations >< Obama breaks promise on campaign finance >
< Obama +3 >
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< Why It's Still A Race >
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 29 2008,3:49 pm
(minnow @ Oct. 29 2008,2:10 pm)
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You're a one issue voter santorini, period. Don't even pretend that other issues have any effect on your vote. All that is, is BS to hide your real ulterior motive. You'll say anything about a candidate because of your one issue abortion.
An egg is not a chicken. It's an egg.
An egg is not a chicken. It's an egg.
WHAT are you talking about
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 29 2008,5:44 pm
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WHAT are you talking about?
It is ONE ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT talking about ANOTHER ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 30 2008,10:25 am
History has proven that great leaders aren't necessarily great speakers. Nor are great speakers necessarily great leaders.Obama has great speaking ability. I don't think anyone would argue that. He has the ability to come into a room, get a feel for the audience and ge them hooked on the belief of what he's telling them. All Obama needed to lure the attention to him was a scapegoat. (Bush) With his speaking ability, knowledge on how to posture and gesture along with his delivery, makes him able to gain willing followers.
I'm just waiting for him to say things such as
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I have never striven after glory, except the glory which comes from works of peace.
or QUOTE
I have regarded myself as called upon by Providence to serve my own people alone and to deliver them from their frightful misery.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2008,11:01 am
Madd Dog,Well Put
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2008,11:05 am
Anyone see Obama's nicely orchestrated, 30 minute infomercial ??Same 'ol Bull, different day
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 30 2008,12:11 pm
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Obama has great speaking ability. I don't think anyone would argue that. He has the ability to come into a room, get a feel for the audience and ge them hooked on the belief of what he's telling them. All Obama needed to lure the attention to him was a scapegoat. (Bush) With his speaking ability, knowledge on how to posture and gesture along with his delivery, makes him able to gain willing followers.
Once again republicans are trying to say that us democrats are just too stupid to see through this guy's speaking ability.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,12:13 pm
(Santorini @ Oct. 30 2008,11:05 am)
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Anyone see Obama's nicely orchestrated, 30 minute infomercial ??
Same 'ol Bull, different day
Same 'ol Bull, different day
Ya...
I thought He had it all locked up. Yet He felt the need to buy an infomercial...with untraceable donations.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,12:58 pm
And yet another eye opener...Obamanites need not read any further...your mush minds are already made up...besides, the piece probably goes way beyond your IQ levels and you wouldn't understand it anyway... < Obama and the Politics of Crowds >
Obama and the Politics of Crowds
The masses greeting the candidate on the trail are a sign of unease.
There is something odd -- and dare I say novel -- in American politics about the crowds that have been greeting Barack Obama on his campaign trail. Hitherto, crowds have not been a prominent feature of American politics. We associate them with the temper of Third World societies. We think of places like Argentina and Egypt and Iran, of multitudes brought together by their zeal for a Peron or a Nasser or a Khomeini. In these kinds of societies, the crowd comes forth to affirm its faith in a redeemer: a man who would set the world right.
Martin KozlowskiAs the late Nobel laureate Elias Canetti observes in his great book, "Crowds and Power" (first published in 1960), the crowd is based on an illusion of equality: Its quest is for that moment when "distinctions are thrown off and all become equal. It is for the sake of this blessed moment, when no one is greater or better than another, that people become a crowd." These crowds, in the tens of thousands, who have been turning out for the Democratic standard-bearer in St. Louis and Denver and Portland, are a measure of American distress.
On the face of it, there is nothing overwhelmingly stirring about Sen. Obama. There is a cerebral quality to him, and an air of detachment. He has eloquence, but within bounds. After nearly two years on the trail, the audience can pretty much anticipate and recite his lines. The political genius of the man is that he is a blank slate. The devotees can project onto him what they wish. The coalition that has propelled his quest -- African-Americans and affluent white liberals -- has no economic coherence. But for the moment, there is the illusion of a common undertaking -- Canetti's feeling of equality within the crowd. The day after, the crowd will of course discover its own fissures. The affluent will have to pay for the programs promised the poor. The redistribution agenda that runs through Mr. Obama's vision is anathema to the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and the hedge-fund managers now smitten with him. Their ethos is one of competition and the justice of the rewards that come with risk and effort. All this is shelved, as the devotees sustain the candidacy of a man whose public career has been a steady advocacy of reining in the market and organizing those who believe in entitlement and redistribution.
A creature of universities and churches and nonprofit institutions, the Illinois senator, with the blessing and acquiescence of his upscale supporters, has glided past these hard distinctions. On the face of it, it must be surmised that his affluent devotees are ready to foot the bill for the new order, or are convinced that after victory the old ways will endure, and that Mr. Obama will govern from the center. Ambiguity has been a powerful weapon of this gifted candidate: He has been different things to different people, and he was under no obligation to tell this coalition of a thousand discontents, and a thousand visions, the details of his political programs: redistribution for the poor, postracial absolution and "modernity" for the upper end of the scale.
It was no accident that the white working class was the last segment of the population to sign up for the Obama journey. Their hesitancy was not about race. They were men and women of practicality; they distrusted oratory, they could see through the falseness of the solidarity offered by this campaign. They did not have much, but believed in the legitimacy of what little they had acquired. They valued work and its rewards. They knew and heard of staggering wealth made by the Masters of the Universe, but held onto their faith in the outcomes that economic life decreed. The economic hurricane that struck America some weeks ago shook them to the core. They now seek protection, the shelter of the state, and the promise of social repair. The bonuses of the wizards who ran the great corporate entities had not bothered them. It was the spectacle of the work of the wizards melting before our eyes that unsettled them.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the late Democratic senator from New York, once set the difference between American capitalism and the older European version by observing that America was the party of liberty, whereas Europe was the party of equality. Just in the nick of time for the Obama candidacy, the American faith in liberty began to crack. The preachers of America's decline in the global pecking order had added to the panic. Our best days were behind us, the declinists prophesied. The sun was setting on our imperium, and rising in other lands.
A younger man, "cool" and collected, carrying within his own biography the strands of the world beyond America's shores, was put forth as a herald of the change upon us. The crowd would risk the experiment. There was grudge and a desire for retribution in the crowd to begin with. Akin to the passions that have shaped and driven highly polarized societies, this election has at its core a desire to settle the unfinished account of the presidential election eight years ago. George W. Bush's presidency remained, for his countless critics and detractors, a tale of usurpation. He had gotten what was not his due; more galling still, he had been bold and unabashed, and taken his time at the helm as an opportunity to assert an ambitious doctrine of American power abroad. He had waged a war of choice in Iraq.
This election is the rematch that John Kerry had not delivered on. In the fashion of the crowd that seeks and sees the justice of retribution, Mr. Obama's supporters have been willing to overlook his means. So a candidate pledged to good government and to ending the role of money in our political life opts out of public financing of presidential campaigns. What of it? The end justifies the means.
Save in times of national peril, Americans have been sober, really minimalist, in what they expected out of national elections, out of politics itself. The outcomes that mattered were decided in the push and pull of daily life, by the inventors and the entrepreneurs, and the captains of industry and finance. To be sure, there was a measure of willfulness in this national vision, for politics and wars guided the destiny of this republic. But that American sobriety and skepticism about politics -- and leaders -- set this republic apart from political cultures that saw redemption lurking around every corner.
My boyhood, and the Arab political culture I have been chronicling for well over three decades, are anchored in the Arab world. And the tragedy of Arab political culture has been the unending expectation of the crowd -- the street, we call it -- in the redeemer who will put an end to the decline, who will restore faded splendor and greatness. When I came into my own, in the late 1950s and '60s, those hopes were invested in the Egyptian Gamal Abdul Nasser. He faltered, and broke the hearts of generations of Arabs. But the faith in the Awaited One lives on, and it would forever circle the Arab world looking for the next redeemer.
America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter. In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies. A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession -- its imagination.
From Elias Canetti again: "But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it. . . . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens."
The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic.
Mr. Ajami is professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, and an adjunct research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 30 2008,1:39 pm
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Once again republicans are trying to say that us democrats are just too stupid to see through this guy's speaking ability.
Well................It certainly wouldn't be because of his record of accomplishments, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his record of legislation proposed, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because he surrounds himself with (as JFK put it) "the best and the brightest", would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his detailed layout of legislative programs, and how he would pay for it, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his extensive foreign policy experience, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his winning military strategy, would it?
I wouldn't even give him credit as a "great orator"--take away the TelePrompter, and he is reduced to a stammering, incomprehensible speaker--count the number of "umms" and "ahhs" in any non-scripted speech. Everyone talks about what a great speaker he is--about how his great speech in 2004 launched his career. Can anyone name any line or position from that speech?
Given that he is an unknown empty suit, what IS it that "True Believers" see in this guy?
Given his lack of experience, no major company would hire him as a CEO.
Given the fact that he has not held any job for 2 years, most companies would not take a chance on a "job jumper."
Given the people that he associates with, he could never qualify for a Secret military clearance--let alone CIC.
Must be the BDS kicking in again.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,1:57 pm
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And yet another eye opener...Obamanites need not read any further...your mush minds are already made up...besides, the piece probably goes way beyond your IQ levels and you wouldn't understand it anyway
What exactly is your point in posting that?
What is it; that you're trying to say?
I can copy paste?
Let's see some specifics.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,1:59 pm
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besides, the piece probably goes way beyond your IQ levels and you wouldn't understand it anyway...
you just proved my point, Hymie...
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 30 2008,2:06 pm
(jimhanson @ Oct. 30 2008,1:39 pm)
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It certainly wouldn't be because of his extensive foreign policy experience, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his winning military strategy, would it?
It certainly wouldn't be because of his winning military strategy, would it?
An team with a 0-0 record is better than a team with a 0-2 record.
The last 8 years will not stand out as triumphs in either category.
When ex-members of amBushCo's cabinet endorse the other guy, you have to see that as meaning things aren't all rosy in Republican land. The amount of sifting through garbage and drooling over some L.A. Times document going on in Hannityville and Billo the Clown land only furthers that notion.
The Republican Party is about to reap the rewards that the last 8 years imply. Hope you're all ready.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,2:07 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,1:59 pm)
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QUOTE
besides, the piece probably goes way beyond your IQ levels and you wouldn't understand it anyway...
you just proved my point, Hymie...
Well c'mon there smarty pants you're real quick with the dunce cap and the name calling.
How about some specifics.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,2:18 pm
What do you mean specifics? What are you looking for? Of course it's a cut and paste...I didn't write it now did I. It is very thought provoking though, imo.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,2:28 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,2:18 pm)
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What do you mean specifics? What are you looking for? Of course it's a cut and paste...I didn't write it now did I. It is very thought provoking though, imo.
What was your point in posting it?
Thought provoking why?
Didn't you have a point you were trying to make?
I mean you're the one questioning everybodies intellect here.
Don't you suppose you should be able to answer my questions then ?
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 30 2008,2:32 pm
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An team with a 0-0 record is better than a team with a 0-2 record.
That's the problem--the BDS-driven libbies are still running against Bush! McCain was the leading proponent FOR the surge, and the surge WORKED. Compare that with "Hand Wringing Harry" Reid, Donk head of the Senate. You might recall his "the war is LOST!" whimper.
Obama? He SAYS he was "against the war"--but he was hardly in a position to vote on it, was he?
Pretty easy to "Monday Morning Quarterback" a decision that had to be made by others. No--the truth is that like him or not (most conservatives don't), at least with McCain, what you see is what you get--he has a record of accomplishment. Obama is the great unknown--but as more and more of his unsavory associates surface, his positions ARE getting to be known--and people become skeptical of his untested abilities.
No--When it comes to experience, McCain wins hands down.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2008,3:55 pm
(hymiebravo @ Oct. 30 2008,2:28 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,2:18 pm)
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What do you mean specifics? What are you looking for? Of course it's a cut and paste...I didn't write it now did I. It is very thought provoking though, imo.
What was your point in posting it?
Thought provoking why?
Didn't you have a point you were trying to make?
I mean you're the one questioning everybodies intellect here.
Don't you suppose you should be able to answer my questions then ?
Quite simply, that quote just told it like it is
It was quite specific in its definition of "Lure" and "Follower. Didn't you catch that
You know exactly what the point of that pasted post was about...you just don't like having the truth pointed out to you.
Cause as one of "The Crowd" what would that make you
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,4:04 pm
Here's another one...just for Hymie... It has come to my attention that after the election numerous corporations around the country will be implementing the following policies...
Notice to All Employees:
As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:
1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a "fair shake."
2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are "too busy for overtime" to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.
3. All top management will now be referred to as "the government." We will not participate in this "pooling" experience because the law doesn't apply to us.
4. The "government" will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard "for the good of all."
5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's "good to spread the wealth." Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more "patriotic."
6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!
tee,hee,hee...
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,4:12 pm
(Santorini @ Oct. 30 2008,3:55 pm)
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(hymiebravo @ Oct. 30 2008,2:28 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,2:18 pm)
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What do you mean specifics? What are you looking for? Of course it's a cut and paste...I didn't write it now did I. It is very thought provoking though, imo.
What was your point in posting it?
Thought provoking why?
Didn't you have a point you were trying to make?
I mean you're the one questioning everybodies intellect here.
Don't you suppose you should be able to answer my questions then ?
Quite simply, that quote just told it like it is
It was quite specific in its definition of "Lure" and "Follower. Didn't you catch that
You know exactly what the point of that pasted post was about...you just don't like having the truth pointed out to you.
Cause as one of "The Crowd" what would that make you
So Common Citizen is Sanatori your wife?
Does she/he answer on your behalf?
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,4:13 pm
Sorry...I was in meetings and couldn't respond before him...but he made my point.Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,4:21 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,4:13 pm)
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Sorry...I was in meetings and couldn't respond before him...but he made my point.
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
First of all. There wasn't some sort of timeline on your response.
I think it's pretty obvious you're completely full of ****.
But you keep copy pasting. And telling everybody how brilliant you are.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,4:44 pm
(Santorini @ Oct. 30 2008,3:55 pm)
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(hymiebravo @ Oct. 30 2008,2:28 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,2:18 pm)
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What do you mean specifics? What are you looking for? Of course it's a cut and paste...I didn't write it now did I. It is very thought provoking though, imo.
What was your point in posting it?
Thought provoking why?
Didn't you have a point you were trying to make?
I mean you're the one questioning everybodies intellect here.
Don't you suppose you should be able to answer my questions then ?
Quite simply, that quote just told it like it is
It was quite specific in its definition of "Lure" and "Follower. Didn't you catch that
You know exactly what the point of that pasted post was about...you just don't like having the truth pointed out to you.
Cause as one of "The Crowd" what would that make you
Was the question directed toward you?
Butt in and then name call to boot.
Aren't you quite the piece work.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 30 2008,4:49 pm
(hymiebravo @ Oct. 30 2008,4:21 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,4:13 pm)
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Sorry...I was in meetings and couldn't respond before him...but he made my point.
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
First of all. There wasn't some sort of timeline on your response.
I think it's pretty obvious you're completely full of ****.
But you keep copy pasting. And telling everybody how brilliant you are.
I'd give you my secretary's phone number but I don't have to prove anything to you... Let me know when it's ok for me to start my next meeting...
Posted by minnow on Oct. 30 2008,4:57 pm
You work out of your home with a secretary. Looks like you been tellin' fish stories again. What a tool.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2008,4:58 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,4:49 pm)
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(hymiebravo @ Oct. 30 2008,4:21 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,4:13 pm)
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Sorry...I was in meetings and couldn't respond before him...but he made my point.
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
First of all. There wasn't some sort of timeline on your response.
I think it's pretty obvious you're completely full of ****.
But you keep copy pasting. And telling everybody how brilliant you are.
I'd give you my secretary's phone number but I don't have to prove anything to you... Let me know when it's ok for me to start my next meeting...
It was a legitmate question.
You obviously don't have an answer.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2008,5:17 pm
(Common Citizen @ Oct. 30 2008,4:13 pm)
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Sorry...I was in meetings and couldn't respond before him...but he made my point.
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
Thanks Santorini...better have supper ready before I get home...
You got it :
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2008,5:21 pm
So, let me get this straight.Only Hymie and CC can respond to CC's pasted-post?
Thought I had the right to free speech
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 30 2008,10:15 pm
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That's the problem--the BDS-driven libbies are still running against Bush!
From the guy that mentions Clinton's name in every other post.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,5:06 am
Obama IS running against Bush! LOL
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 31 2008,6:53 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,5:06 am)
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Obama IS running against Bush! LOL
Just keep telling yourself that.
Since you can come up with no other justification for your defending Obama.
Whatever it takes to make ya feel better
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,6:54 am
There's many different reasons I support Obama, just name the issue.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2008,8:23 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,6:54 am)
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There's many different reasons I support Obama, just name the issue.
Please...enlighten us all.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,8:27 am
Name the issue.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 31 2008,8:44 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,8:27 am)
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Name the issue.
1 .Accomplishments
2. Record of legislation proposed
3. Detailed layout of legislative programs AND how he will pay for it
4. Foreign Policy experience
5. Winning Military Strategy
6. Experience
Borrowed from Jim Hanson's previous post
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,8:48 am
Those aren't issues, that's a resume. By issues I mean the economy, the war etc.
Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 31 2008,9:06 am
LOL
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 31 2008,9:10 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,8:48 am)
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Those aren't issues, that's a resume.
Buy issues I mean the economy, the war etc.
Buy issues I mean the economy, the war etc.
I beg to differ with you minnow.
1. Accomplishments speak to his qualifications via experience. This can be used to measure his future decisions because it demonstrates his passion.
2. Legislation Proposed shows what is important to him and whether he's willing to go out on a limb on behalf of constituants AND demonstates his leadership ability v just talk.
3. Foreign Policy Experience would allow us to accurately judge how he interacts with other nations on our behalf instead of waiting for on-the-job-training.
4. Winning Military Experience; Again...on-the-job-training as he is totally dependent on the decisions of others.
5. Experience would speak to anything that shows this man has the qualifications (other than age) to be commander in chief of the country that is the leader of the free world.
Experience that demonstates his ability to defend our country, uphold its Constitution, shows his ability with decision-making.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,9:13 am
Not fun to share it with McCain. I don't think he'd have a problem sharing with folks to help people succeed.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2008,9:27 am
Ok..here's one...Abortion?
maybe I should have left that one for Santorini...
ok...here's one that interests me...
Taxation?
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,9:37 am
President Obama is against making rape victims into embryo murderers. I very much agree.President Obama is reducing taxes. The middle class get a big cut and the upper class gets a slight increase. Overall tax is reduced. I agree as I'm always in favor of lower taxes.
I'm not going argue BS accusations. I'm only going to discuss Obama's positions, not distortions from the right wing.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2008,9:46 am
Ok...I understand Obama's position and your's now...but do you believe that his plan is fair in light of him always promoting equality? In my eyes, that is hypocritical. He want everyone to be equal but he gets to define what equality means.
Posted by menace616 on Oct. 31 2008,9:46 am
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PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET
NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN
**Exclusive**
The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!
The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.
MORE
Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.
After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.
< Drudge Report >
Developing...
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET
NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN
**Exclusive**
The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!
The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.
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Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.
After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.
< Drudge Report >
Developing...
I can only imagine what the election celebration party will be like.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2008,9:54 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,9:37 am)
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President Obama is against making rape victims into embryo murderers. I very much agree.
Have you seen his record on abortion? It goes way beyond a simple rape victim murdering embryos. Besides, the percentage of abortions being done due to rape is very small.
The term embryo was created by the scientific community to describe what stage the baby is in. It's still a baby and they still should have a voice. It wasn't the babies fault that he/she was conceived by a rape. Just my opinion.
I never understood the arguement that a woman should have right to do what they want with their body...hello...what about the babies body? Should they have the same right as well?
Anyways, everyone has their belief on this and it shouldn't be a major issue in policitics when we have so many other things that have a higher priority...not that it's any less important though.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,10:14 am
It depends on when one believes life begins. I'd say it's somewhere between conception and birth, but not at conception. Science should settle this issue when we develop drugs that prevent pregnancy without side effects and are safe for every age group. Also the life of the mother must take priority. QUOTE
but do you believe that his plan is fair in light of him always promoting equality?
He promoting equality in the sense that everyone deserves an equal shot, not that everyone must be equal.
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 31 2008,11:31 am
(minnow @ Oct. 31 2008,10:14 am)
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It depends on when one believes life begins. I'd say it's somewhere between conception and birth, but not at conception. Science should settle this issue when we develop drugs that prevent pregnancy without side effects and are safe for every age group. Also the life of the mother must take priority.
He promoting equality in the sense that everyone deserves an equal shot, not that everyone must be equal.
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but do you believe that his plan is fair in light of him always promoting equality?
He promoting equality in the sense that everyone deserves an equal shot, not that everyone must be equal.
Okay minnow, let me set you straight.
There IS no dispute as to when life begins.
It HAS been scientifically proven life begins AT conception. I believe your argument is now about viability.
But those with your "mind-frame" do not believe the facts but continue to fall victim to what is "popular", thus believing life begins when it is convenient for you.
As for rape I stated in a previous post there are 2-300 rapes resulting in pregnancy per year. Out of that less
than 1/2 seek an abortion. That excuse doesn't hold water anymore.
The tired excuse of the mother's life being in danger is outdated. Mainly because of advances in medicine.
These excuses you people have used for over 30 years are getting old and meaningless because in this time each of the excuses have been
challenged and proven false.
Posted by minnow on Oct. 31 2008,11:47 am
I just don't believe in creating a whole other class of serious criminal by legislating morality. Once a women is pregnant, you want to force her to have the baby at the end of a gun and if she doesn't she be classed as a murderer. This is going back to the dark ages when thousands of women died from coat-hanger abortions. There's nothing immoral about drugs that prevent the embryo from growing the day after semen meets the egg. Otherwise men should be tried for murder by spilling seed wacking off.
Everyone's against late term abortions except in certain medical circumstance.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,11:59 am
(Santorini @ Oct. 30 2008,5:21 pm)
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So, let me get this straight.
Only Hymie and CC can respond to CC's pasted-post?
Thought I had the right to free speech
Only Hymie and CC can respond to CC's pasted-post?
Thought I had the right to free speech
The problem is is it was a question directed directly at him.
NOT you.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,12:01 pm
Your response was equally lame. IMO
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 31 2008,12:05 pm
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Everyone's against late term abortions except in certain medical circumstance.
REally? Where's the law against them, if "everyone" is against it? Obama voted against eliminating "partial birth abortions"--actually taking the baby part-way out, then killing it.
Then there is the "botched abortion" issue--where the kid continues to live, despite the best efforts to kill it.
Then there is the issue of even if it is LEGAL--should we spend taxpayer money on it?
Obviously, The Messiah is NOT against late-term abortions--but then, with his delusions of grandeur, he probably believes he can raise the dead.
I'd like to see the Federal government get out of the abortion controversy, and let States decide for themselves. Why is it a Federal "right", anyway? Look to the 10th Amendment
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Let those States that choose to allow it to do so, and those that choose to prohibit it also to do so.The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
One thing about it--the Blue Staters will continue killing their own. Cruel as it may be to continue to allow that--it WOULD eventually lead to fewer liberals!
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 31 2008,12:12 pm
Now that we've beat that one to death--perhaps Minnow can tell us about Obama's record of legislative accomplishments? His vast experience in foreign policy?
His experience in economics? (He couldn't even give away $100,000,000 in the Annenberg Challenge--it had "no discernable effect")
His military experience? (There is no record of him being as much as a Cub Scout)
His organizational experience? (He has never run ANYTHING--not a business, not an organization--never supervised more than a handful of employees)
His 143 days in the Senate before starting his campaign?
Can you tell us ANYTHING he accomplished as a Senator? Yes, Minnow--TELL US what makes The Chosen One qualified?
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2008,12:36 pm
You must have missed this on fox.QUOTE
On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I've said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn't have that.
Part of the reason they didn't have it was purposeful, because those who are opposed to abortion have a moral calling to try to oppose what they think is immoral. Oftentimes what they were trying to do was to polarize the debate and make it more difficult for people, so that they could try to bring an end to abortions overall.
< http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm >
Posted by Santorini on Oct. 31 2008,12:41 pm
Quite the contrary liberal, I saw it.Agree with it. Absolutely not.
There is absolutely no reason anyone would need a late term abortion.
An infant can be viable at that stage of pregnancy.
Save the mother AND the infant.
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 31 2008,12:47 pm
That's what he SAYS.When it comes down to how he VOTES, it's another matter.
FROM THE VERY SAME SOURCE YOU CITED
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Voted against banning partial birth abortion
Obama's record in Illinois represents that of a pragmatic progressive, who pushed for moderate reforms and opposed right-wing legislation. In the IL legislature, voting "present" is the equivalent of voting "no" because a majority of "yes" votes are required for passage. Many IL legislators use the "present" vote as an evasion on an unpopular choice, so that they can avoid being targeted for voting "no." During the 2004 Democratic primary, an opponent mocked Obama's "present" vote on abortion bills with flyers portraying a rubber duck and the words, "He ducked!".
In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion, & against a 2000 bill banning state funding. Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
Obama's record in Illinois represents that of a pragmatic progressive,
who pushed for moderate reforms and opposed right-wing legislation. In the IL legislature, voting "present" is the equivalent of voting "no" because a majority of "yes" votes are required for passage. Many IL legislators use the "present" vote as an evasion on an unpopular choice, so that they can avoid being targeted for voting "no." During the 2004 Democratic primary, an opponent mocked Obama's "present" vote on abortion bills with flyers portraying a rubber duck and the words, "He ducked!".In 1997, Obama voted against SB 230, which would have turned doctors into felons by banning so-called partial-birth abortion, & against a 2000 bill banning state funding. Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
What he says and what he does--two different accounts.
Voted "present" to duck the hard questions on a domestic issue (was this another of those "above my pay grade" non-answers?)
--and he is going to be tough enough to handle global issues?
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 31 2008,12:54 pm
(Liberal @ Oct. 30 2008,10:15 pm)
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That's the problem--the BDS-driven libbies are still running against Bush!
From the guy that mentions Clinton's name in every other post.
Is 'still running against Bush' the wing-nut phrase that pays, nowadays?
Bush is the face of the Republican party, right now, like it or not. You only need to look at his dismal approval ratings to know that an ad with a picture of Bush and McCain equals more votes for Obama, a picture of Bush and Coleman means more votes for Franken and Barkley, and on and on.
Obama would be stupid not to run against Bush.
Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2008,1:08 pm
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 31 2008,12:54 pm)
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Obama would be stupid not to run against Bush.
He would be stupid to not cuz it is working wonders for his campaign regardless of how much disdain I have for him.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,2:06 pm
What is he supposed to do ignore Bush ignore the last 8 years?
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,2:11 pm
Experience? Seems to me the Republican party had Republican experience up the wazzooo. All kinds of old republicans from the past.
They just made it up as they went along.
What ever happened to Rumsfeld?
Iraq
$4.00 gas
Corruption from the start of the Bush administration right up till the end.
Topped off buy massive bailouts.
No wonder you wanna talk about abortion.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2008,2:20 pm
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Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
I would have voted against it too. Aside from the resident zealot, who would vote for that?
Posted by Whiskero on Oct. 31 2008,2:53 pm
I don't know. Everybody keeps telling me how terrible the last 8 years have been. We paid our bills, we went on a vacation each year, we ate out as often as we wanted to, we still own our house. Life is good.If the next 4-8 years are like the last, great. I am leary, however, of this "change" that Obama is citing out to everyone. Is it really going to be for the "better"? I really do not want to take that chance.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,3:16 pm
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I don't know. Everybody keeps telling me how terrible the last 8 years have been. We paid our bills, we went on a vacation each year, we ate out as often as we wanted to, we still own our house. Life is good.
If the next 4-8 years are like the last, great. I am leary, however, of this "change" that Obama is citing out to everyone. Is it really going to be for the "better"? I really do not want to take that chance.
If the next 4-8 years are like the last, great. I am leary, however, of this "change" that Obama is citing out to everyone. Is it really going to be for the "better"? I really do not want to take that chance.
Well McCain adopted that slogan as well.
So it looks like you're going to get change no matter who you vote for. lol
I haven't seen or heard anything that far removed from any other election that I've witnessed. To hear the remarks of some people, it would seem that they have never seen any type of election before.
The idea of bringing about change is as old as elections and campaiging itself.
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,3:30 pm
(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2008,2:20 pm)
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Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
I would have voted against it too. Aside from the resident zealot, who would vote for that?
The Zealot.
The supposed Democrat that is voting for McCain. It would interesting to find out their involvement with the Democratic Party. I find it hard to believe a person who is active within that party at the grassroots level. Would go along with some of the comments and propaganda and rhetoric that the resident Zealot has.
Personally I wish that legislation would be passed to ban any more use of congress or judges to discuss GUNS or ABORTION.
Period.
You will never get rid of either one of them. Even if you ban them.
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 31 2008,3:36 pm
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Seems to me the Republican party had Republican experience up the wazzooo. All kinds of old republicans from the past.
Why, yes, they do. Obama is the kind of guy that will tell you--"I rode in a plane once, let me tell you how to fly"--even though he has no experience flying himself. Is THIS the guy you want as your Captain--a guy that has no experience? QUOTE
They just made it up as they went along.
I've got news for you--that's all ANYBODY can do--consider the old military axiom "The best laid plans are useless after the first shot is fired." ADULTS have no use for "woulda-shoulda-coulda" kids doing Monday Morning Quarterbacking.QUOTE
What ever happened to Rumsfeld?
He's gone--McCain opposed him. Do you want him back? QUOTE
Iraq
Winning--and the Donks would take a page from the Euroweenies and wave the white flag of surrender. More people are killed in Detroit and Chicago (liberal paradises), than in Iraq. Using Donk Logic, we should abandon those cities.QUOTE
$4.00 gas
Yep--and it was ALL BUSH'S FAULT that gas prices were high in Europe and the rest of the world, as well. Now it's half that--and you're still whining. What's the matter--afraid that people will not buy electric econo-boxes? QUOTE
Corruption from the start of the Bush administration right up till the end.
As compared to the Clinton Administration? QUOTE
Topped off buy massive bailouts.
Didn't that pass the DONK-CONTROLLED CONGRESS? QUOTE
No wonder you wanna talk about abortion.
Nah--I"M THE ONE THAT SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REST OF OBAMA'S INEXPERIENCE!
Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2008,4:15 pm
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Why, yes, they do. Obama is the kind of guy that will tell you--"I rode in a plane once, let me tell you how to fly"--even though he has no experience flying himself. Is THIS the guy you want as your Captain--a guy that has no experience
The point is is Bush had all those old cronies down in Florida helping him steal that election. He had old cronies like Rummy help him with his brilliant idea of destabilizing Iraq.
last time I saw Rummy he had his head in his hands and he looked pretty befuddled.
So much for the old cronies and experience argument.
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I've got news for you--that's all ANYBODY can do--consider the old military axiom "The best laid plans are useless after the first shot is fired." ADULTS have no use for "woulda-shoulda-coulda" kids doing Monday Morning Quarterbacking
There's also something to be said for somebody who can think things through. Like in Chess. You don't just guess at what you think is going to happen. You think ahead. You study. Having some gung-ho soab is fine - when you need some one for the frontline. It's not the guy you want in control though. IMO
A lot more thought should have went into our actions post 911.
Arguing that Clinton wanted to do stuff there, doesn't make the decisions made in regard to Iraq any less bad.
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He's gone--McCain opposed him. Do you want him back?
The point is. He was an old crony with experience. You know that word that keeps being brought up.
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Winning--and the Donks would take a page from the Euroweenies and wave the white flag of surrender. More people are killed in Detroit and Chicago (liberal paradises), than in Iraq. Using Donk Logic, we should abandon those cities
Those are our cities. In our country. Should we have Iraq come over here and police them for us?
Didn't they elect a president?
Whether you announce you're leaving or not. Don't you suppose it's going to be a little obvious when it happens.
So if we somehow could sneak out. Then everything will someone how work itself out there?
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Yep--and it was ALL BUSH'S FAULT -Now it's half that--and you're still whining
So they wind it down a week before the election and that negates all the negative impact that their follies induced.
I swear - I think these GOP folks like taking it up the waazzooo they must. LOL
So how did the price go down?
Did they build more refineries?
Drill in Alaska?
Hmmmm....
Go ahead vote for McSame and the continuation of the Bush follies.
If you like taking it up the wazzooo. Who am I am judge.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2008,4:52 pm
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Is THIS the guy you want as your Captain--a guy that has no experience?
I'd rather he try his hand at flying rather than the guy that has lost 5 planes.
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,9:33 am
(hymiebravo @ Oct. 31 2008,3:30 pm)
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(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2008,2:20 pm)
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Although these bills included an exception to save the life of the mother, they didn't include anything about abortions necessary to protect the health of the mother. The legislation defined a fetus as a person, & could have criminalized virtually all abortion.
I would have voted against it too. Aside from the resident zealot, who would vote for that?
The Zealot.
The supposed Democrat that is voting for McCain. It would interesting to find out their involvement with the Democratic Party. I find it hard to believe a person who is active within that party at the grassroots level. Would go along with some of the comments and propaganda and rhetoric that the resident Zealot has.
Personally I wish that legislation would be passed to ban any more use of congress or judges to discuss GUNS or ABORTION.
Period.
You will never get rid of either one of them. Even if you ban them.
First Hymie let me say that I was Democrat when that party actual stood for something. That would be before the Roe V Wade legislation. (Aging myself now).
And let me also say, as the "resident zealot", I am indeed against abortion for any reason. Obama is at the top as an off-the-charts-left-wing-liberal. He is FOR abortion PERIOD. You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide. I could never TRUST a person who would knowingly advocate such a human horror known as abotion.
Let me also say to those of you CHOICERS out there,
You will Not be judged by the ignorance of your actions, but you will be on the acceptance of your action.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,9:56 am
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You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
Before you try to use those big words you should probably look them up to make sure you know what they actually mean.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 01 2008,9:57 am
(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2008,4:52 pm)
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Is THIS the guy you want as your Captain--a guy that has no experience?
I'd rather he try his hand at flying rather than the guy that has lost 5 planes.
...5th from the bottom of his class.
Posted by Ned Kelly on Nov. 01 2008,10:03 am
(Santorini @ Nov. 01 2008,9:33 am)
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[And let me also say, as the "resident zealot", I am indeed against abortion for any reason. Obama is at the top as an off-the-charts-left-wing-liberal. He is FOR abortion PERIOD. You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide. I could never TRUST a person who would knowingly advocate such a human horror known as abotion.
Let me also say to those of you CHOICERS out there,
You will Not be judged by the ignorance of your actions, but you will be on the acceptance of your action.
Let me also say to those of you CHOICERS out there,
You will Not be judged by the ignorance of your actions, but you will be on the acceptance of your action.
When did God whisper that in your ear?...........
And when pray tell did McCain author a bill to end Roe vs Wade ? Not that I approve of wholsale abortion as form of birth control , but it should be an option in case of rape or incest....ned
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,10:09 am
No! If a woman is viciously raped, she she'd be forced to bare the rapists child and if she doesn't she should be put in prison, for life, for the crime of murder!It's what Jesus would want. Just ask Santorini and she should know, she has direct line to Jesus the rest of us don't have. Jesus is picky about who gets his number.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 01 2008,10:45 am
(Liberal @ Oct. 30 2008,12:11 pm)
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Obama has great speaking ability. I don't think anyone would argue that. He has the ability to come into a room, get a feel for the audience and ge them hooked on the belief of what he's telling them. All Obama needed to lure the attention to him was a scapegoat. (Bush) With his speaking ability, knowledge on how to posture and gesture along with his delivery, makes him able to gain willing followers.
Once again republicans are trying to say that us democrats are just too stupid to see through this guy's speaking ability.
Of course I"m not saying that.
We both know though that the world is full of sheep.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,10:53 am
Sheep whose reptilian brains respond to political adds.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,11:18 am
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Of course I"m not saying that.
We both know though that the world is full of sheep.
Of course, but I think most of the sheep vote GOP, so what's that have to do with Obama's ability to speak?
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,11:26 am
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 01 2008,11:31 am
I'm afraid to ask. Why do you think most of the sheep vote republican?
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,11:32 am
You're a real drama queen Geo. The world hates your America. They'll like our America much more and we'll make friends, not enemies. No one likes an arrogant bully.
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,11:40 am
And as Carter and Clinton proved "Nobody respects a doormat."
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,11:40 am
It is better to be strong and confident than to be weak and unprepared.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,12:17 pm
I've been watching FOX for the last week and they seem to be getting more worked up the closer we get to the election.Man Hands Coulter was on the other night saying that Wright, Ayers and Khalidi are not newsworthy if you look at them separately, but taken together it's a big story"
Of course McCain gave Khalidi money, his preacher is as crazy as Wright, and Ayers has obviously been rehabilitated.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,12:26 pm
Let's look at Obama's Campaign• Enmeshed In Acorn Voter Fraud Registration During Presidential Campaign And Voter Fraud And Intimidation During Primary Campaign.
• Foreign And Fraudulent Campaign Contributions And Misrepresentation Of Sources. Will Not Release Information On “Small Donors”.
• Excessive Expenditures For Media, Polling And Telemarketing.
• Media Bias And Misogyny.
• Excessive Race Baiting And Exploitation. Reversed Position On Racism As A Campaign Issue.
• Telecommunication Polling Bias. Online Polling Fraud.
• Stages Events With Free Entertainment And Transportation.
• Frequently Reverses And Significantly Changes Position On The Issues.
• Rhetoric Is Not Backed Up With Any Substance On How Promises Will Be Fulfilled.
• Past Affiliation With Graft, Corruption And Extreme Leftism.
• Has Not Been Honest About Religious Upbringing Or Relationship With Hate Church.
• Cannot Demonstrate Citizenship.
• Has Not Been Honest About Academic Achievements And Will Not Release College Transcripts.
• Pays Female Staff Significantly Less Than Male Staff
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,12:33 pm
Why You should vote Democrat Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,12:49 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 01 2008,9:56 am)
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You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
Before you try to use those big words you should probably look them up to make sure you know what they actually mean.
Thank You for proving my point about abortion, liberal.
Considering the unborn are ALL of the groups your definition stated.
YOUR words YOU looked up describe abortion to a T.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,1:05 pm
(Ned Kelly @ Nov. 01 2008,10:03 am)
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(Santorini @ Nov. 01 2008,9:33 am)
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[And let me also say, as the "resident zealot", I am indeed against abortion for any reason. Obama is at the top as an off-the-charts-left-wing-liberal. He is FOR abortion PERIOD. You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide. I could never TRUST a person who would knowingly advocate such a human horror known as abotion.
Let me also say to those of you CHOICERS out there,
You will Not be judged by the ignorance of your actions, but you will be on the acceptance of your action.
Let me also say to those of you CHOICERS out there,
You will Not be judged by the ignorance of your actions, but you will be on the acceptance of your action.
When did God whisper that in your ear?...........
And when pray tell did McCain author a bill to end Roe vs Wade ? Not that I approve of wholsale abortion as form of birth control , but it should be an option in case of rape or incest....nedSenator John McCain IS PRO-LIFE.
The issue for me is not whether he authored any legislation. What is most important is that during this landmark election those of us who value the sanctity of life speak out for the voiceless.
Obama is PRO-CHOICE. And for me, LIFE IS NOT a choice.
And the problem of "in case of rape or incest", one just has to look at the stats. to see that is not a legidimate argument anymore.
I "wish" God would whisper in my ear
And I AM a believer in "Divine Intervention", but He hasn't yet
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,1:24 pm
If your still in doubt visit this link< John McCain versus Barack Obama: The Issues, Side By Side Comparison Of The Candidates >
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,1:26 pm
The stats? So if we only force some women to bare rapists children it's OK.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,2:30 pm
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Thank You for proving my point about abortion, liberal.
Considering the unborn are ALL of the groups your definition stated.
You're not very smart are you? To be genocide it has to be killing because of one or more of those reasons.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,2:42 pm
Posted by GEOKARJO on Nov. 01 2008,2:43 pm
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2008,2:50 pm
From the sound of things it oughta be a real humdinger of an election.
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2008,2:58 pm
You could outlaw abortion like they did certain drugs. Didn't really have much of an effect except that it keeps the price up. Other than that illegal drugs are about the most readily available thing in the U.S.
Liquor stores and bars actually have limited hours.
Illegal drugs are available 24/7.
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,3:03 pm
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McCain gave Khalidi money,
Not personally--it was government money. Not to Khalidi, but to a group he was associated with--for a voting census. Your excuse would be analogous to giving money to the Democratic Party--and since many Democrats are Communists, saying that "you are giving money to the Communists." Though Alan Colmes and the Donks try to use this, its not about money--it's yet another example of Obama's Marxist/socialist/radical associates.QUOTE
his preacher is as crazy as Wright
He didn't sit there for 500 times as Obama did, then try to weasel out with "I didn't know" excuse. QUOTE
Ayers has obviously been rehabilitated
The Ayers issue is not just about Ayers--it is about Obama's circle of Marxists--Ayers being just one of them.Obama has ties to far left radicals in many ways. His mother was far-left. She ran off with his father, a Kenyan Communist. She took up later with Soeto--a radical Muslim--and moved him to Indonesia. After leaving him, she moved to Hawaii--where his mentor ("Frank") was an avowed Communist. According to a Socialist in NY, his college education was paid for by a Syrian "bundler" (Obama won't release details of his college years--he says he "worked his way through college"--yet held only 2 menial jobs for summers--hardly enough to pay your way through Princeton). He went to an "Afro-Centric" church for 20 years, listening to Rev. Wright (he said that in the time he was there, an estimated 500 sermons, he never heard Wright's hate-filled speech)
He was an associate of Father Pfleger--another far-left preacher--so far left, that the Archdiocese prohibited him from any more political preaching from the pulpit. He supported Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan (they live in the same neighborhood) until that fact came out--then denounced him. He bought his house with the aid of convicted Syrian swindler and racketeer slumlord Tony Rezko. Though first dismissing the Ayers connection as "just a guy I know in the neighborhood", it turned out that Obama was lying AGAIN. Ayers lives in the same neighborhood--they had dinner together often. He served on several boards with Ayers--together, they gave away $100,000,000 to radicalize schools "without discernable effect"). Khalidi--spokesman for the terrorist PLO--Obama praised him when attending his going-away dinner.As you quoted Coulter
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Coulter was on the other night saying that Wright, Ayers and Khalidi are not newsworthy if you look at them separately, but taken together it's a big story"
She is right.Obama has consistently tried to disassociate himself from this cast of Communists and radicals--then when pressed, he has thrown them all under the bus--including his own Grandmother that raised him after his mother ran off. You might remember him calling his grandmother "a typical white person."
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Ayers has obviously been rehabilitated.
I hate to use the word "unrepentant" because EVERYBODY uses it--including him. After bombing buildings, he famously said "I wish I had done more!" That IS "unrepentant"--and hardly qualifies as "rehabilitated." Freed on a technicality, he said "Free as a bird, guilty as sin, is this a great country, or what?" The only way you get "rehabilitated" is to atone for your crimes. Timothy McVeigh (ANOTHER famous bomber) has paid for his crimes--and in that case, you could say that he has been "rehabilitated". Ayers? He should have preceeded McVeigh by 30 years.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,3:10 pm
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After bombing buildings, he famously said "I wish I had done more!"
Then you should have no problem finding a link to back that claim up. Or were you just parroting something Limbaugh said?
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,3:13 pm
Wait a minute Hoss. If you wanna play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, let's link up McCain to abortion terrorists and I bet McCain wasn't 8 years old when it happened.
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,3:19 pm
Wait--this is too easy. It took all of about 10 seconds to Google this with "Ayers--wish I had done more".From the NY Times, coincidentally published Sept. 11, 2001 null< My Webpage >
His exact quote was
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,3:24 pm
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If you wanna play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, let's link up McCain to abortion terrorists
Let's see you try. As Coulter mentioned, taken individually, this wouldn't be a story. When you see such a CONSISTENT PATTERN of radical associations, you have to wonder why.
Some would theorize that it was his mother's wandering--his father abandoning him--his mother taking up with an Indonesian Muslim and moving him there at an early age--his mother leaving him with his Grandmother that caused him to be what he is.
Or perhaps it was only the cast of radical characters that he associated with!
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 01 2008,3:26 pm
your quote.QUOTE
After bombing buildings, he famously said "I wish I had done more!"
his quote
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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''
That's the same thing to you?
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,3:53 pm
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I wish I had done more!"
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''I don't regret setting bombs, I feel we didn't do enough.''
Yes.
To not "doing enough" implies that there is a need to do more.
I found the exact quote by Googling Ayers not doing more. There were 1,800,000 hits. You could have done the same.
You defend the radical terrorist by splitting hairs on the exact quote, when it is so easy to check for yourself?
YOU defend the bomber, and tell everybody what a fine fellow he is, now that he has been "rehabilitated."
And libbies wonder why they are laughed at?
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2008,4:35 pm
Is there a strong discernable connection to the guy today? I mean the U.S. under Reagan was slapping Saddam Hussein on the back and shaking hands with him at one point too, weren't they?
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,4:54 pm
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Is there a strong discernable connection to the guy today?
You mean CNN or your favorite broadcast media didn't show you THIS--the picture Ayers released showing him trampling the U.S. flag?
I'd call that "strong", "discernable", and "today".
Posted by Two Bears on Nov. 01 2008,6:29 pm
As a former embryo, I oppose abortion.
Posted by ANTILIBERAL on Nov. 01 2008,6:56 pm
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As a former embryo, I oppose abortion.
That should be a t-shirt or bumper sticker!
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,6:57 pm
(minnow @ Nov. 01 2008,10:09 am)
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No! If a woman is viciously raped, she she'd be forced to bare the rapists child and if she doesn't she should be put in prison, for life, for the crime of murder!
It's what Jesus would want. Just ask Santorini and she should know, she has direct line to Jesus the rest of us don't have. Jesus is picky about who gets his number.
It's what Jesus would want. Just ask Santorini and she should know, she has direct line to Jesus the rest of us don't have. Jesus is picky about who gets his number.
Okay minnow, now I KNOW your a guy.
If a woman is "viciously raped" as you put it, chances are she'd report it', and dr.'s would do swabs, and a D & C which in and of itself is a form of abortion. So...Nope, she wouldn't be pregnant anymore.
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,7:00 pm
(ANTILIBERAL @ Nov. 01 2008,6:56 pm)
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As a former embryo, I oppose abortion.
That should be a t-shirt or bumper sticker!
Well put two bears
Love it
Anitliberal,
Let me know when and where I can get a t-shirt or a bumper sticker
You'd make a fortune!!!
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 01 2008,7:17 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 01 2008,9:56 am)
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You can sugar-coat it anyway you'd like, but he is for this form of genocide.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
Before you try to use those big words you should probably look them up to make sure you know what they actually mean.
Liberal, maybe you could use a source OTHER than Wikapedia, especially since it's not a credible source for most college and university students.
Try:
< www.hawaii/edu/powerkills/GENOCIDE.ENCY.HTM >
Definition "Genocide as the intention to murder people because of their group membership, even if political or economic".
Yea... the unwanted pregancies due to political or economic reasons don't count right. Sure.
Democide "the intentional government murder of unarmed and helpless people for whatever reason".
Both describe abortion. There is no disputing that
Posted by Wolfie on Nov. 01 2008,7:23 pm
That is a bumper sticker, I've seen it right next to the rainbow bumper stickers. Usually on a volvo in a driveway in woodbury.
Posted by Two Bears on Nov. 01 2008,8:10 pm
Wolfie is it your Volvo?
Posted by ANTILIBERAL on Nov. 01 2008,8:31 pm
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Liberal, maybe you could use a source OTHER than Wikapedia, especially since it's not a credible source for most college and university students.
Santorini I told him the same thing once.
My professor's never allow Wikipedia as a credible source for any academic writing or research. Liberal never went to college so I do not think he would understand that. In fact, I think that would explain his political views in general.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,8:39 pm
Who are you kidding, Wikipedia is a great source to get consolidated information. They even provide sources and links for most info so you go get it from there to satisfy your dumb teachers. In others words you use it help you understand the big picture before you begin searching.All sources can be biased.
Posted by ANTILIBERAL on Nov. 01 2008,9:04 pm
Minnow,You must have attended school with Liberal. I am going to post something for you that maybe, just maybe, you'll understand. If not, maybe I can call you to pronounce the words for you:
This is from Wikipedia's description in Google:
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Wikipedia's 10 million articles, about a quarter of which are in English, have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world, and almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone who can access the Wikipedia website.
Note the key words here: EDITED BY ANYONE WHO CAN ACCESS THE WEBSITE.
You ever seen this on that site?
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article needs additional citations for verification.
Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2008)
Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2008)
Yeah, now that is a realiable source. Gee Wally, maybe you could even post on there!!
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,9:08 pm
I have to agree with Liberal and Minnow on this one--though Wikipedia can be "hacked"--it usually has a fairly balanced viewpoint. Though I would question it (as we should with ALL news sources), I would trust it more than CNN, MSNBC, or broadcast or print news.
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2008,9:11 pm
(ANTILIBERAL @ Nov. 01 2008,8:31 pm)
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Liberal, maybe you could use a source OTHER than Wikapedia, especially since it's not a credible source for most college and university students.
Santorini I told him the same thing once.
My professor's never allow Wikipedia as a credible source for any academic writing or research. Liberal never went to college so I do not think he would understand that. In fact, I think that would explain his political views in general.
The impression I've gotten from Liberal is. He has actively tried to make things better in his community.
Look at the work he put into pushing for the showing of the county board meetings. And exposing the former POS County Administrator. Mr. FOAD.
Anybody remember that?
That didn't exactly happen over night. And I don't think he was paid $100,000,000's to do it either.
What about his trying to point out local corruption in the city government as well?
What about this website. Were he allows "you(as Sanatori would put it) people" to speak YOUR viewpoints?
And try as you might to forward your personal crusades.
And; put him down as well.
I think he shows liberalism in a very favorable light myself.
Which let's face it.
There are plenty from both camps, Liberal and Conservative that don't show either cause in a very positive way.
Posted by jimhanson on Nov. 01 2008,9:27 pm
Since the subject has been raised, this might be as good a time as any to put in a word for the good that Chad does.We play on this site for reasons of our own--some to make the area better, some to express their viewpoints, some (myself included) to gather and express their thoughts--and debate views with others, and some simply as voyeurs--watching what others are saying.
In any case--if you feel it is worth it, send Chad a small stipend from time to time. I do, and this is a reminder to do so again. (Besides, I take personal satisfaction that this FREE ENTERPRISE is consistently better than official government handouts when it comes to community involvement--a fact than even a government advocate like Liberal can appreciate!)
THANK YOU, Liberal. My check is in the mail--and should the forces of the Dark Side prevail next Tuesday--I'll look forward to constantly pointing to the feet of clay of the Chosen One!
Don't know how to send a check to Chad? PM Liberal--he can tell you!
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2008,9:29 pm
(jimhanson @ Nov. 01 2008,9:08 pm)
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I have to agree with Liberal and Minnow on this one--though Wikipedia can be "hacked"--it usually has a fairly balanced viewpoint.
Though I would question it (as we should with ALL news sources), I would trust it more than CNN, MSNBC, or broadcast or print news.
Though I would question it (as we should with ALL news sources), I would trust it more than CNN, MSNBC, or broadcast or print news.
I would say Wiki is a step in a good direction.
We have all this technology at our disposal. It would be nice to see more and more of it implemented and put to good use.
Let's face it a lot of education is based on making money. For schools, teachers, school administrators, book makers, etc.
And creating false pretenses.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 01 2008,10:42 pm
Sure Wiki can be hacked, but that's why it's so good. It can also be added too. It's the Worlds greatest encyclopedia written by 10's of thousands of passionate experts in their field. I've noticed it's watched and monitored very well by the editors as well. I've never seen out and out BS yet. It's remarkably accurate, up to date and unbiased. Don't use it for college, use it for life.
Just think, every subject has it's passionate experts these people are often the best sources of information.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 02 2008,8:23 am
Geez, Jim, on page 22 you referenced Colmes and Coulter.I'd rather watch 24 straight ours of Olbermann than spend one minute watching Hannity's sock puppet or that Nazi bitch.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 02 2008,9:44 am
Thanks Hymie and Jim, I really don't work that hard at this stuff (the forum, or being a liberal). Instead of sending money you can just remember to occasionally click on an ad.QUOTE
Definition "Genocide as the intention to murder people because of their group membership, even if political or economic".
Yea... the unwanted pregancies due to political or economic reasons don't count right. Sure.
Once again you prove that you're just not that smart. If you can't understand a simple concept like genocide then why use the word?
I'll see if I can dumb it down for you. If an abortion was performed against the mother's will on the basis of her religion that would be genocide. Or if they forced her to abort the fetus because of her ethnic origin then it would be genocide.
Do you understand the concept of genocide yet?
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 02 2008,10:46 am
(Liberal @ Nov. 02 2008,9:44 am)
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Thanks Hymie and Jim, I really don't work that hard at this stuff (the forum, or being a liberal). Instead of sending money you can just remember to occasionally click on an ad.
Definition "Genocide as the intention to murder people because of their group membership, even if political or economic".
Yea... the unwanted pregancies due to political or economic reasons don't count right. Sure.
Once again you prove that you're just not that smart. If you can't understand a simple concept like genocide then why use the word?
I'll see if I can dumb it down for you. If an abortion was performed against the mother's will on the basis of her religion that would be genocide. Or if they forced her to abort the fetus because of her ethnic origin then it would be genocide.
Do you understand the concept of genocide yet?
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Definition "Genocide as the intention to murder people because of their group membership, even if political or economic".
Yea... the unwanted pregancies due to political or economic reasons don't count right. Sure.
Once again you prove that you're just not that smart. If you can't understand a simple concept like genocide then why use the word?
I'll see if I can dumb it down for you. If an abortion was performed against the mother's will on the basis of her religion that would be genocide. Or if they forced her to abort the fetus because of her ethnic origin then it would be genocide.
Do you understand the concept of genocide yet?
Who was it on a previous post that said we attack and name call liberal yet he allows us to post
Speaking of name-calling. He's the master.
Liberal you amaze me. You call ME ignorant...debating you is like trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man
What YEAR were those definitions you claim back your argument???
They need updating.
The politically correct current term for abortion IS genocide.
YOU being a pro-choicer would of course not be that
updated.
Check out any of the pro-life website.
You may actually learn something.
Like...compassion.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 02 2008,10:51 am
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The politically correct current term
Huh? Really?!
That's simply what you group of zealots choose to call it. In fact your lot is decidedly against all political correctness. Political correctness is a left wing concept to begin with.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 02 2008,11:09 am
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Who was it on a previous post that said we attack and name call liberal yet he allows us to post
Speaking of name-calling. He's the master.
Name-calling? What name did I call you? Then you wonder why I say that you're not real smart. You not only don't know the definition of genocide, you apparently don't even know the definition of name-calling.
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The politically correct current term for abortion IS genocide.
Do you really believe that the politically correct term for abortion is Genocide? I'm guessing you anti-choice types think that Murder is also a politically correct term for abortion.
Abortion is neither murder, or genocide, no matter what you anti-choicers would like to believe.
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 02 2008,11:25 am
I thought of a couple of favorable good things about Wiki.
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 02 2008,11:27 am
1. It's not heavy and bulky to carry around.2. It doesn't take up lots of space on your bookshelves.
Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 02 2008,12:11 pm
It's an imperfect world. The zealots from all religions around the world, get all pissed/hacked off because of it. And ironically add to the worlds' imperfections in the process.
But; those(imperfections), they seem to be able to come to terms with.
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You may actually learn something.
Like...compassion
Like...compassion
It's funny how it starts out with seemingly innocuous statements like that. And before too long you're being taught campassion, via the business end of a machine gun or bomb, ect.
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Posted by Liberal on Nov. 03 2008,4:08 pm
Why would anyone vote for this guy that can't even make up his own mind?
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Liberal your video just enforced my support for McCain I don't believe in Gay Marriages and that is what I will remember most about that video.
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How about MCain getting OWNED on Meet the Press. This guy is so old he can't even keep his lies straight.
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Posted by Santorini on Nov. 03 2008,6:55 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 02 2008,11:09 am)
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Who was it on a previous post that said we attack and name call liberal yet he allows us to post
Speaking of name-calling. He's the master.
Name-calling? What name did I call you? Then you wonder why I say that you're not real smart. You not only don't know the definition of genocide, you apparently don't even know the definition of name-calling.
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The politically correct current term for abortion IS genocide.
Do you really believe that the politically correct term for abortion is Genocide? I'm guessing you anti-choice types think that Murder is also a politically correct term for abortion.
Abortion is neither murder, or genocide, no matter what you anti-choicers would like to believe.
Okay Liberal. Whatever it takes for you to feel better about your choices.
And to answer your question since you haven't been real quick at picking it up with all my other posts on the subject...YES abortion IS murder.
You can denigrate my statements all you want, just sticks and stones as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 03 2008,7:02 pm
If the soul is created at time of conception then a D&C performed on a rape victim would be murder too?
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 03 2008,8:06 pm
Liberal, no matter what you say, I do not believe you can possibly be as morally empty as your posts Tell my you just like to be controversial.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 03 2008,8:39 pm
Morally Empty based on the fact that I believe that you're a religious kook? Or is it that I believe in the theory of Evolution, and I believe that abortion is the woman's choice.Do you believe that you're morally superior because you believe The Flintstones was historically accurate, that the Bible is to be taken literally, woman were created from dirt and a spare rib, a man can live in the belly of a whale for an extended period, a woman can be turned into a pillar of salt, and a great flood took out all the cavemen and dinosaurs, but spared a few chosen people?
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 03 2008,8:49 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 03 2008,8:39 pm)
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Morally Empty based on the fact that I believe that you're a religious kook? Or is it that I believe in the theory of Evolution, and I believe that abortion is the woman's choice.
Do you believe that you're morally superior because you believe The Flintstones was historically accurate, that the Bible is to be taken literally, woman were created from dirt and a spare rib, a man can live in the belly of a whale for an extended period, a woman can be turned into a pillar of salt, and a great flood took out all the cavemen and dinosaurs, but spared a few chosen people?
Do you believe that you're morally superior because you believe The Flintstones was historically accurate, that the Bible is to be taken literally, woman were created from dirt and a spare rib, a man can live in the belly of a whale for an extended period, a woman can be turned into a pillar of salt, and a great flood took out all the cavemen and dinosaurs, but spared a few chosen people?
You obviously didn't read a post of mine about how some people take the Bible literally which is the source of some confusion?? Then stated MY beliefs?
But thank goodness that God did take a rib from man to create woman.
I can almost hear Him...THIS time I'm gonna get it RIGHT
Posted by minnow on Nov. 03 2008,8:54 pm
God's a woman.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 03 2008,11:56 pm
...and/or quite possibly one or more of us.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 04 2008,8:36 am
(minnow @ Nov. 03 2008,8:54 pm)
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God's a woman.
I would have to agree with that.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,8:44 am
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The co-chair of Barack Obama's Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett, appeared on Meet the Press this weekend and used, shall we say, an interesting word to described what she thinks Barack Obama will be doing in January when he's officially sworn into office. She told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one. It's a word that reflects the worst fears that people have for Obama the "arrogant," the "messiah," that imagines he's here to "rule" instead of govern.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,8:45 am
WASHINGTON (AP) - President-elect Obama plans to use his executive powers to make an immediate impact when he takes office, perhaps reversing Bush administration policies on stem cell research and domestic drilling for oil and natural gas.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 10 2008,8:48 am
Do you mean kind of like George Bush the last 7 years?I wouldn't spend so much time using your little brain to twist words in order to feed your paranoia. It's mentally unhealthy.
In response to your second post:
Dubya is going crazy his last few months. taking full advantage of his power. Kind of like how the Iraqi lit up all the oil wells in Kuwait before they left.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,8:50 am
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The Capital-Journal
Published Sunday, November 09, 2008
Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation's 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.
Published Sunday, November 09, 2008
Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation's 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,8:52 am
(minnow @ Nov. 10 2008,8:48 am)
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Do you mean kind of like George Bush the last 7 years?
I wouldn't spend so much time using your little brain to twist words in order to feed your paranoia. It's mentally unhealthy.
I wouldn't spend so much time using your little brain to twist words in order to feed your paranoia. It's mentally unhealthy.
That's all you got?
Stick to the minor league...
Posted by minnow on Nov. 10 2008,8:54 am
Wasn't it you and your ilk that got beatin' like a rented mule Nov. 4?
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,8:56 am
(minnow @ Nov. 10 2008,8:54 am)
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Wasn't it you and your ilk that got beatin' like a rented mule Nov. 4?
Testy today aren't we?
Afraid you may have made a mistake?
Posted by minnow on Nov. 10 2008,9:00 am
On the contrary, I thank God everyday we didn't get grandpa McNasty and fundamentalist Sarah Palin and her posse. 
THAT would've sucked.
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 10 2008,11:06 am
(minnow @ Nov. 10 2008,9:00 am)
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On the contrary, I thank God everyday we didn't get grandpa McNasty and fundamentalist Sarah Palin and her posse.
THAT would've sucked.
THAT would've sucked.
Minnow,
I am soooo glad you've converted
Only thing now..I think God wants you to clean up your language some
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,11:10 am
Obama...the champion of the middle class...pfft...OBAMA: What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is more -- that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anybody else's out there, so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
OBAMA: When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.
OBAMA: Regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad, because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money, they will pass that money on to consumers. If you can't persuade the American people that, yes, there's going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term because of combinations of more efficient energy usage and changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, that the economy will benefit. If we can't make that argument persuasively enough, you -- you can -- you can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington, you're not gonna get that done.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,11:22 am
Washington Times - Over the weekend President-elect Barack Obama scrubbed Change.gov, his transition Web site, deleting most of what had been a massive agenda copied directly from his campaign Web site. Gone are the promises on how an Obama administration would handle 25 different agenda items - everything from Iraq and immigration to taxes and urban policy - all items laid out on his campaign Web site, < www.BarackObama.com. >
Instead, the official agenda on Change.gov has been boiled down to one vague paragraph proclaiming a plan “to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives.”
Sucka's
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 10 2008,11:46 am
Regarding harmful emissions: This has been coming for a long time.We've known about eco-friendly practices (and how many of our industrial processes aren't) since the mid-70's or so.
People want cleaner air and water and all that, but don't want anything to do with paying for that. Anyone remember the hue and cry at automobiles that said UNLEADED FUEL ONLY? How many of you stuck a broomhandle down your car's filler tube so you could pump regular leaded gas into your tank, just because it was a dime per gallon cheaper?
Did anyone see last night's 60 Minutes piece about where our spent electronics or "E-waste" goes? If you missed it, you can see it < here >.
We've skated on our collective environmental responsibility for decades. We just expect to throw, flush and vent our waste, and forget about it. Those days are over. And we'll all be on the hook.
Posted by minnow on Nov. 10 2008,1:23 pm
So, let me get this straight CC. He shouldn't tweak his plans according to any new information he receives? You just can't except the fact that the American people rejected you and your ideas.
Posted by Santorini on Nov. 10 2008,1:43 pm
(minnow @ Nov. 10 2008,1:23 pm)
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So, let me get this straight CC. He shouldn't tweak his plans according to any new information he receives?
You just can't except the fact that the American people rejected you and your ideas.
You just can't except the fact that the American people rejected you and your ideas.
A perfect opportunity to interject
Is that going to be the defense now
To defend the "tweaking" of his plans as he fails to follow through with his elaborate campaign promises
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 10 2008,1:50 pm
(minnow @ Nov. 10 2008,1:23 pm)
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So, let me get this straight CC. He shouldn't tweak his plans according to any new information he receives?
You just can't except the fact that the American people rejected you and your ideas.
You just can't except the fact that the American people rejected you and your ideas.
Sorry Charlie...I didn't run for President..therefore I wasn't rejected.
You're going to spend the next 4 years defending your Lord, ruler of the people. Hopefully you can come up with some better material. How lame...how sad.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 10 2008,7:31 pm
Change.gov was a website created Wednesday and the person creating the website copied content from barackobama.com Later they removed some of that content and the Republicans are screaming that Obama suckered us.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 28 2014,12:43 pm
BEYONCE: 'He popped all my buttons, and he ripped my blouse. He Monica Lewinsky'd all on my gown.'OBAMA: 'Beyonce could not be a better role model for my girls.'
Posted by grassman on Feb. 28 2014,3:08 pm
Yepper, open that window, that chits toxic! 
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 02 2014,2:38 pm
I guess I would want different role models for my daughters...like their parents or maybe a teacher, a coach, or their pastor. That's the difference between conservatives and liberals. Liberals look to Hollywood entertainers for role models while conservatives look to everyday people in their own community.
Keeping it real grassman.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,5:30 am
Let's see, where did that Reagan feller come from?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,8:13 am
(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,5:30 am)
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Let's see, where did that Reagan feller come from?
...a far more wholesome era.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 03 2014,8:31 am
^^^ Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,9:04 am
^^ at least far more wholesome than this idiot.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,11:45 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,9:04 am)
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^^ at least far more wholesome than this idiot.
Yepper, got to agree with you there. Reagan was a real stooge! hahahahahahahah!
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,11:52 am
(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,11:45 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,9:04 am)
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^^ at least far more wholesome than this idiot.
Yepper, got to agree with you there. Reagan was a real stooge! hahahahahahahah!
I didn't know Reagan was posting here.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,11:57 am
(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,11:45 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,9:04 am)
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^^ at least far more wholesome than this idiot.
Yepper, got to agree with you there. Reagan was a real stooge! hahahahahahahah!
Are you Expat's lackey now?
Lackey
A lackey or lacquey is a term for a uniformed manservant, in its original meaning. The modern connotation of "servile follower" appeared later, in 1588. Wikipedia
Save you some time.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 03 2014,11:57 am
Go tea party
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 03 2014,12:00 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,12:01 pm
Hey Cupcake, glad to see you're back.Did you have fun?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,12:18 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,11:57 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,11:45 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,9:04 am)
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^^ at least far more wholesome than this idiot.
Yepper, got to agree with you there. Reagan was a real stooge! hahahahahahahah!
Are you Expat's lackey now?
Lackey
A lackey or lacquey is a term for a uniformed manservant, in its original meaning. The modern connotation of "servile follower" appeared later, in 1588. Wikipedia
Save you some time.
Not a lackey, never was. Just honest. Certainly not selfish, save you some time!
Selfishness is placing concern with oneself or one's own interests above the well-being of others.
Selfishness is the opposite of altruism or selflessness; and has also been contrasted (as by C. S. Lewis) with self-centredness.
Go back to Trains for people thread and read post 39.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,12:32 pm
Let's put this straight once and for all,My family comes first, above all else, I take care of them.
Myself? Second.
All others after that? If they're friend, my friends take care of themselves, if they are in need of help it's my decision wether to or not.
All others? You're a bright boy, figure it out from there.
And for both you and exlax, enough with the ignore crap, childish.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,1:07 pm
I'm conversing with you, who's ignoring you? So you think it is ok to mess up a whole lot of people's lives as long as you come out ahead?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,1:21 pm
^ don't even try with the innocent act.Yeah, better yet, hell yeah, if it puts my family or myself ahead. So are we as pure as the wind driven snow? I hardly think you wash the feet of paupers.
Melodramatic, sanctimonious bullsh!t.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,1:34 pm
0K, I think we are getting somewhere here. So do a lot of people ignore you? Do you feel they are persecuting you? Do you sometimes feel like people are staring at you and then when you turn around they act like they are just going about their business? It could be your conscience tapping you on the shoulder.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,1:37 pm
^^could you be even more full of sh!t?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,1:38 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,1:34 pm)
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0K, I think we are getting somewhere here. So do a lot of people ignore you? Do you feel they are persecuting you? Do you sometimes feel like people are staring at you and then when you turn around they act like they are just going about their business? It could be your conscience tapping you on the shoulder.
Here's a question for you, a fairly innocent one,
Do you play poker?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,1:39 pm
I'm sorry, that was bullcrap, could not help it. No hard feelings?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,1:40 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 03 2014,1:38 pm)
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(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,1:34 pm)
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0K, I think we are getting somewhere here. So do a lot of people ignore you? Do you feel they are persecuting you? Do you sometimes feel like people are staring at you and then when you turn around they act like they are just going about their business? It could be your conscience tapping you on the shoulder.
Here's a question for you, a fairly innocent one,
Do you play poker?
Not with other people's lives.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,2:00 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 03 2014,1:39 pm)
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I'm sorry, that was bullcrap, could not help it. No hard feelings?
No harm no foul,
So I'm guessing you do play poker, as you said, not with people's lives, fair enough.
So you're playing cards and you notice one of the players has an awful tell, something obvious, raises an eyebrow, breathes deeply, picks his nose(probably Exlax's tell) do you tell him? Or do you take advantage of the situation and clean him out.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,2:06 pm
I probably would tell. I don't take poker too seriously. Life is not a poker game. Poker, you choose to play. For the record, I do not have you on ignore. Never have.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,3:57 pm
Hmmm...must have been a glitch 
Life is a poker game. How successful you are depends on how well you play.
Why do you think it's so popular, especially now on TV. It mimics life.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 03 2014,4:19 pm
I do not agree. Poker is a choice, life is not. Poker you can walk away. Life, you have to make the most of it. There are enough variables already, there does not need more added to the mix because someone wants to make money in your backyard. But this goes to the other thread.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2014,4:51 pm
I think we'll agree to disagree.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 05 2014,12:20 pm
(Expatriate @ Mar. 03 2014,11:57 am)
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Go tea party
Did you get that information off of < this > site or are you lying again?
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 05 2014,12:23 pm
(Common Citizen @ Mar. 05 2014,12:20 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Mar. 03 2014,11:57 am)
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Go tea party
Did you get that information off of < this > site or are you lying again?
yep, that's the site alright.