Topic: WHAT DO YOU THINK?
started by: QuincyBorland
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 13 2004,2:27 pm
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 13 2004,5:16 pm
I would like to see Jean Eaton with her hair combed.I would like to see councilmen that listen
I would like to see councilmen show up at a meeting without already having their minds made up.
I would like to see the city curb their spending.
I would like to see Sparks leave town and take Ron with him.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 13 2004,5:43 pm
I'll second what mamma said.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 13 2004,6:05 pm
All in favor say ayh
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 13 2004,7:04 pm
It's not that we WANT anthing or that government can do anything. We just "want" them to stay out of the way and run efficiently. Can they do that? No, Their small town ego's make them feel to powerful for that. They're all losers for the most part, misfits who couldn't find gov jobs in other cities. They wanted rid of Gabe...why else does an ugly, pig headed jerk like that ever leave a job?
Posted by Tinker on Oct. 13 2004,7:06 pm
Mamma has hit the nail on the head. 
Posted by Bird Hunter on Oct. 13 2004,7:48 pm
What I would like to see is the salarys of the top brass froze and that they actually be made to do something for there money. Stop the long lunch hours, stop all the traveling to so called meetings with all expenses paid, stop all the computor playing and get down to work, stop hiring new people and use what are already there and tighten the belts on spending. Investigate the fire dept and check to see if 10 secretaries are really needed. Is $75,000 a year a fair wage for some of the big brass that do very little? Basically hold dept heads accountable and demand good work.
Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 14 2004,8:36 am
Before I get into what I'd like to see changed, let me first ask you, for the second time. How will you accomplish the goals you've set for yourself as mayor?< JOBZ thread >
In the above thread I had asked you the same question. Click on the link, and scroll down to the bottom half of the page.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 14 2004,9:44 am
Did I read correctly that Mathiason said "we" as in him and the tird in his pocket(?) didn't want cuts to the Fire Dept.?| Quote |
| I don't think anyone would want to see a reduction in (law enforcement or the fire department)." |
Well I wasn't to far off.."anyone"
I think reduction of the fire Dept. might be an option to be explored further. For godsake we don't need to do a study on it though.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 14 2004,9:49 am
Oh yeah, and we don't want anymore GD studies!!!! Not fur nuthin!ATTENTION: City and County board members: STUDY THIS
Posted by robin on Oct. 14 2004,1:28 pm
Quincy, aren't you a little behind the curve? Shouldn't you be beyound asking us what we want at this point in time? I would have thought that you should be at the stage that you would know what the voters wanted and you would be telling us how you were going to bring it to us! Did you just wake up and realize that the job wasn't going to be handed to you. He11, what are you going to do if you get the job? 
Posted by ICU812 on Oct. 14 2004,1:40 pm
Change the whole tax system. Instead of paying property taxes to the county/city, have the council and board (you to Gabe)come to each door to collect the money as they Oh yeah and a new library would be cool
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 14 2004,1:55 pm
Posted by The Game on Oct. 14 2004,2:15 pm
Lets see.... 3 race tracks.... Very ambitious. NOT I for one don’t want to put up with the noise from sprint cars and the such... put it out in the county. Can the current infrastructure handle the increased traffic flow and will residents tolerate the noise? I’ve said it before and I'll say it again and maybe I'll get an answer. We need forward thinking progress, this is NOT a retirement area. Those with any smarts move SOUTH and I'm not talking Iowa. Those that vacation up here in the summer go NORTH. The scenic areas and the water purity and cleanliness makes it VERY attractive. What about working with the DNR to improve the quality of our waterways and fish habitats. Why cant the city rent boats or canoes to those who would like to fish our area lakes? The position of mayor is nothing more than a paper tiger. All the real stroke comes from the city council and county commission. How did this happen? Can the mayor veto anything? until the system is fixed the progress in this community wont happen. Also Quincy.... before you go wondering why your not getting "FREE" air time.... Look into the political advertising rates. You’ll be invited to debates, however nothing is "free". If we do something with another candidate, there is equal time under law, but ad rates are available for the campaigns.
Posted by Navin on Oct. 14 2004,2:32 pm
I'll bet Jean just loves to read what Quincy has to say. Look at what that racetrack has done for Lansing...
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 14 2004,3:22 pm
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 14 2004,3:27 pm
Posted by churla on Oct. 14 2004,3:46 pm
a race track would be nice but there are way to many tracks right now.
Posted by Navin on Oct. 14 2004,4:34 pm
We already had a dirt track. I remember watching the Joey Chitwood thrill show race around it on two wheels every year when I was a kid. I even remember one year when this Dane got inside a pine wood box with 3 sticks of dynamite and blew it up! Now that's entertainment!The race track never did much for the town, but, if you could track down that Dane you might be on to something.
Mayor "Diamond" Joe Quimby (Democrat) An illiterate tax cheating, wife swapping pot smoking spend-o-crat... Hey, I am no longer illiterate!
Posted by The Game on Oct. 14 2004,4:51 pm
"I sure hope Jean Eaten Loves to her what I say..she sure did on Tuesday!" Huh?
"I talked to some jack A** at Jaxx that said he was with Power96 and he personally said that he wanted Jean Eaten & I to come on his show/station and debate...But when I called to set it up they don't want to go that way now??
I love the MEDIA"
Wow.... name calling out of our mayoral candidate and the implied profanity too. You’re a shining representation of immaturity and youth. Get this you monkey, I am the alleged jack*** that you mentioned. It was an idea....get it…idea, that we were kicking around and its not out of the water. Also, you don’t set up crap, we decide, and you be a good monkey and play the game the way your supposed to. With your aggressive attitude and latent hostility some may just be re-thinking their position.
Also how do you figure your numbers on the racetracks? Where is your data Quincy? Who’s going to build your race empire? Taxpayers? City owned? City run? County?
I agree with you, Albert Lea needs change and a progressive vision. I just want some details as to how your going to get it passed the council.
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 14 2004,6:07 pm
I was wondering who was going to build, maintain, and pay the insurance on a race track too. Ideas are a good thing, but you have to have a plan behind some of them.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 14 2004,6:19 pm
How much $ do you need QP. If I fund you and you win...well...let's just say that I'll have your ear OK?How about we start a PAC on this sight and use the money to endorse candidates we approve of? Let's beat em at their own game!
Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 14 2004,7:03 pm
| Quote (Mamma @ Oct. 14 2004,6:07:pm) |
| Ideas are a good thing, but you have to have a plan behind some of them. |
Same thing I'm wondering Mama. That's what I tried to find out with my post on page 1. So far, this is the best explanation we've got from Mr. Borland.
| Quote |
| And to get those things done, It would be easy...Just make sure the city will back off and let them happen...they will happen! |
So... In other words, get elected, and wait for someone to do the things you'd like to see done.
I'm not a big fan of Mayor Eaton, so I don't have any problem with seeing her lose. But when I hear someone explain their platform, I wanna hear some specifics on how they're going to accomplish their goals.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 14 2004,7:31 pm
But, how do they know that before they're in office and privy to the details?
Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 14 2004,8:53 pm
"privy to the details" 
Pick up an idiots guide to government...
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 14 2004,11:12 pm
Posted by cea on Oct. 15 2004,12:02 am
So how do you plan to get these business here and also follow the existing city charter?It not like you can just go to the counsel and say I want 300 grand to open a bar.
You might also want to look at your figures on race tracks. Just because you can bring in 500k at the gate doesn’t mean you will take more then 10% home.
How are you going to manage the day-to-day issues in the city.
I'm just making this up, but for an example:
What if the hospital was pressuring me to sell my house so they could tare it down for parking. What are you going to do to help me.
Posted by robin on Oct. 15 2004,11:10 am
Bla Bla Bla! We gots this town with youths and a race track and you should come and locate your business here if your going to pay big money and employee at least 300 people.Ya know, I think you are on to something! Why hasn't anyone tried it before! Just think what you could have done if you finished high school.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 15 2004,11:17 am
I commend Quinsy for asking people what they want. Our current officials don't, and do as they please. I don't believe he should already know before he got this far as someone posted. It should always be an on-going thing and elected officials should never quit asking people what they think. Yah, people are not going to agree on everything and not everyone will be happy with the decisions made. But atleast have an open ear and mind to several opinions and be willing to act for the people who voted for you instead of the few who think they run the town. So thanks for asking Quinsy.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 15 2004,1:39 pm
Posted by Madd Max on Oct. 15 2004,1:50 pm
I would like to commend Quincy for getting involved in the mayor’s race. We need to get your young people interested in Politics instead of driving them away. Good Luck Quincy.
Posted by repdan on Oct. 15 2004,4:17 pm
Maxx, bad news for you, we agree. We need more people to get involved at all levels.
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 15 2004,5:05 pm
Repdan, is that Red Green? LOL, for once we agree. Like him or not, Jesse Ventura should be a lesson to all the young people that when they get involved they can make a difference, and maybe even influence the outcome of an election.
They say they are not heard, but yet they dont vote.
Nothing against the AARP crowd here, but the only reason they have the influence they do is because seniors vote in a higher percentage than any other age group.
Young people, get out and vote. You want to be heard? Become a power in the elections, its the only way.
Repdan, you may know this figure better than me, please tell me if I am wrong, but in this country, dont less people vote, than the ones that dont vote?
Less than 50 percent? Very sad for the leader of democracy in the world.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 15 2004,7:42 pm
You are correct, less than 50 percent. Sad isn't it. 
I've said before that I hope they are implementing heavy duty campaign finance rules in Iraq along with the Democracy lesson. LOL, or they're screwed before they get started.Simple, people don't vote because they can't compete with Special Interest money that runs our country!
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 15 2004,8:30 pm
I disagree--campaign contributions may buy the ear of the candidates, but money can't buy votes from the electorate--it can only run issue ads in an attempt to influence voters. If more people became informed on the issues and voted, the effect of the "special interests" (defined as "anybody but the candidate the individual speaking supports") would be diminished.Campaign-finance has proven to be a disaster--even Mr. Kerry says it needs changing (obviously, he was FOR it before he was AGAINST this bill, too!)
It has given us "527's"--ways to channel money into campaigns--and led to outside billionairs like Mr. Soros (a Hungarian citizen, and admitted felon in France) giving in excess of $20,000,000 to influence U.S. elections--while prohibiting "special interests" from the NRA to the Sierra Club from even running ads for their members.
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 15 2004,10:19 pm
Damn, I agree again Jim, you are right about the special interests.You ever notice, the groups that vote get what they want?
Until there are more of us voting, special interests will be the easy way to get elected.
Its why they get elected time and time again, but never seem to do anything, lol.
I would rather see the governement,(tax payers) pay for the campaigns. We give them millions anyway. Give them all the same, no outside money, NONE.
Lets see how they can manage their money.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Oct. 15 2004,11:03 pm
lots of agreeing and loving in here,cute ... 
weird...
--JJ
I love everyone that much also.
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 15 2004,11:17 pm
LOL, you dont understand, Outside of local government, Jim and I agree on almost nothing. Its just nicer to agree on something than to argue.
Posted by p8ntball_junky on Oct. 16 2004,1:45 am
Well, to help out Mr. Borland first, definetly get something for the youths/young adults. A race track is a good idea but the raceway up in Brainerd is out in the boonies around gas stations and bars which is actually a really good area for a race track because lets face it, racers need gas(both kinds ) and beer. And since it's out in the boonies, it doesn't make as much noise.A rec center is probably even a better idea for AL but there are definetly gonna have to be some form of law enforcement there. Going to ALHS and being here for years. There are always drugs and fights in this town. And don't say, oh......there's not a lot of that with kids in this town, because there are. It's more of an underground thing.
One other thing that I KNOW no one would ever think of is a paintball field. I'm telling you, paintball is a HUGE sport among the youth and young adults. I've talked to numerous kids, both in IA and MN, that they would play more paintball if there was a field and store closer than a hour an a half away in either direction.
As for the job scene, bring in more jobs that are modern. Computer businesses, music stores(like home theater systems, etc.) and the like. Because lets face it, no kid that lives in AL wants to be working at a factory all his life just to end up with 20 dollars in his back pocket for a whole month.
Ok, now on to something that all of you are complaining about. Young people not voting. I'm voting this year no matter what. I would have voted at the local level just recently but the reason I didn't is because I didn't know who to vote for. If I would have been able to know who was running and what they wanted to do for AL, I would have. If you older people out would let the younger people know where to find information on each candidate that is easily accessible to them, they might just vote. Another thing as well, ask them if they know what the current politican who is running for that position again what they've done for this area or their area and what they plan on doing to improve it. For example, sorry to pick on you repdan but you're the only state poly I know that is native to this area, I wouldn't have voted for repdan at all because I have no idea what he's even ATTEMPTED at trying to do to improve this area. So all you older people out there, help us younger people out.......pretty please???
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 16 2004,8:06 am
p8ntball_junky, glad to see your interest in the political process and voting.But all the info you seek on a candidate is available for all, in the same places. Watch the local news, read the local papers.
But in my opinion, you are one step ahead of the game, you came to the Albert Lea Forum to get some info.
Listen to many people, not just a few, decide what issues are most important to you.
And vote for a person because you think they will represent the people, all the people, regardless of party affiliation.
Some here will probably disagree with this last piece of advice, but dont pay attention to the parties, they are both propaganda machines made to mislead the voters into voting for their candidate. Not always with your best interest in mind.
And speaking of parties, dont ever hate the other party like what is happeneing today. Once you start down that partison slope, its hard to take a step back and look at things objectivly.
I agree, a paintball course would be great for the younger people. I hear they had a good crowd at the armory last weekend for some paintballin. My son went, he had a blast, and he satyed out of trouble for the whole day.
Posted by Tassie on Oct. 16 2004,8:31 am
For anyone that wants to be informed about any election, get your news from as many sources as you can. When you are informed you can made personal decisions about each candidate. Ask yourself questions as to who would be the best choice for what is important to you. Remember it is easy to run with the "herd" but we must all vote for the good of many. Please vote, let the politicians know that we still have the "power".........
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 16 2004,8:38 am
Speak for yourself. I've never run with the herd...sounds more like your potential weakness. It's easy......just say no to lying and greedy "Neo Cons". If you let someone bring you to war over lies and don't do anything about it...you're the problem.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 16 2004,10:16 am
Now Paintball; you were logging in on the forum before the primary and asking questions. That was great, but we tried to help you with who was running in your district, what district you were in where to vote, the times the polls were open etc. Plus you can't say there wasn't all kinds of stuff posted about the candidates on here. So if you couldn't make it up to the library in the rain to vote it's your own fault. Don't blame us old people. Us old folks are always more than happy to give you or any other kid our opinionwhether you ask for it or not. There are lots of other sources out there too. But please vote Nov. 2nd!
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 16 2004,10:29 am
Jim and Hoosier; I don't understand what you are agreeing on. Campaign Finance reform is a bi-partisan issue. It seems the party that doesn't want it in there state is the party that's in power. Wouldn't it make sense that people would more likely vote if they thought the Politicians had to listen to them instead of Special Interests. Wouldn't more decent people step up to run if they didn't have to spend their time sucking up for campaign contributions?
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 16 2004,10:42 am
Just because McCain/Feingold has loopholes the size of crators, doesn't mean we should give up on wanting a better system. I can't think of a better thing to Lobby for (non profit, of course!)My God just think of those poor Iraqi people, stuck with the US teaching them Democracy. HMM! Let's see, what special interests would be buying political favor in Iraq? It will be grotesque and obscene, and they won't even know what hit-em. The Iraqi's are having there natural resources stolen out from under them as we speak. Capitalism = Freedom
ya right.
Posted by p8ntball_junky on Oct. 16 2004,10:14 pm
I'm gonna make this brief because my laptop is being a pain right now so I'm sorry if it seems like I'm lashing out. I was getting ready to reply when my laptop went haywire and I just wanna get as much down before I forget it.hoosier-I do listen to the news but they never touch base on what I want to know. When the news does a segment on the city council it's always, 5 city officals voted on this, and it's usually on something I'm not worried about, something I agree or disagree on. Plus on top of that, I don't even know who is in control of my district so I don't know whether to like or dislike them.
Bombay-I know I could have been looking on here and what not for information but the topics discussed always start out by someone saying something about, which to me seems quite small, and it usually ends up by someone starting to talk about something else. If it's one thing I hate, I hate digging for info on a life changing decision. And I know a lot of other young adults feel the same way. We want an answer to our questions immediately. Also too, it would help me, and probably a lot of other people too, if someone could be into lamen's terms what the hell all of this politician talk is.
Now that I've said my peace, Bombay....what was that link that tells you what district and precient you're in. Once I found out what district and precient I'm in, can someone tell me who is running in my district, who has the current position and tell me where I can find info on them and what they've done for my district or tell me straight out.
I'll make this easier.........just tell me what elections are going on this year(city, council, county, state, etc), and who is running for what. Just people help out an uninformed person.......thanks.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 17 2004,10:50 am
< http://pollfinder.sos.state.mn.us >I think you are in Ward 5 and Commissioner Dist. 3 and you vote at the Library.
We will vote for:President: Bush, Kerry, Nader, and the others
US Congress: Gutknecht, Pomeroy, Mikkelson(?)
State Representitive: Dorman, Kaphers, Porter
Mayor: Jean Eaton, Quincy Borland
and
(If indeed I'm correct, you live in Ward 5 you'll have:
County Commissioner: Jim Nelson, David Shoff
City Council Seat: Mary Kron, John Severtson
and then there will be District Court Judges, that sadly no one ever knows anything about. And Soil and Water Supervisors that usually don't have anyone to run against.
I could tell you who I think you should vote for because I am, but that wouldn't be right. You need to inform yourself and make your own decision. I'm sure all on here would be happy to share opinions, but find out for sure what ward your in first.
Do you lean towards (Left) Democrat or (Right) Republican in your ideology? It doesn't have to be either one!
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 17 2004,11:17 am
PBJ; Tomorrow NightMon. Oct. 18 at 7:00 pm at Riverland CC, the League of Women Voters are having another candidate forum. Candidates for the State House of Representatives, City Council, and County Commissioners will be present. This would be a good opportunity for you to become informed.
Posted by p8ntball_junky on Oct. 17 2004,10:01 pm
I'm in Ward 5, Precient 1. So who's in my ward and precient? Bombay, I'd go if I didn't have to work. Still doing remodeling and rebuilding from the flood so.
Posted by robin on Oct. 18 2004,2:33 pm
I did attend High School, and I have worked to be able to attend college. No I haven't earned $50K a year, but I do know that you aren't going to get any race track built with free labor from the community. You talk like the things you have proposed are just out there for the picking. That some group of people exist solely to keep us from having these things, but you will get them for us. Well there are lots of people with good ideas, but you haven't proven to me that you have the commitment, dedication, or pertinacity to do any of what you have talked about. So what do you think?
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 18 2004,4:39 pm
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 18 2004,4:51 pm
DrBombay, I think you are agreeing with Jim and I also, we just disagree on what should come first.But I believe we are headed in the same direction.
You say special interest reform, then the voters will be more involved, more trusting of the process.
I think Jim and I are saying, get more people involved, make the politicians dependent on the voters and not special interest. Make reform something the politician feels like he must address.
More people get involved, more power to the people.
Less people involved, more of the same we have now, power to the special interests.
I think we agree, dont we?
Posted by The Game on Oct. 18 2004,5:10 pm
You going to have the volunteer force sign a waiver so should any of them get hurt they are NOT going to sue the city or you? Now don’t get me wrong Quincy I like you, even if you did call me a jack a$$ is a public forum, but that’s all right with me. I do worry about your temperament and maturity when it comes to answering questions. How are you gonna handle it when the council or commission comes after you on an item? I wouldn’t blame you for calling em jack a$$es, however its just not what I would want out of my political representative. Just cuz Cheney can drop the F bomb on some clown doesn’t mean a mayoral candidate can spout off. Thicken up that skin Quincy. Your gonna need it. :cool:
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 18 2004,6:45 pm
PBJ;You are in Ward or Precinct 5 Co. Commissioner Dist. 3
President: Bush, Kerry, Nader, and the others
US Congress: Gutknecht, Pomeroy, Mikkelson(?)
State Representitive: Dorman, Kaphers, Porter
Mayor: Jean Eaton, Quincy Borland
County Commissioner: Jim Nelson, David Shoff
City Council Seat: Mary Kron, John Severtson
I have to work tonight too!
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 18 2004,6:53 pm
I guess you're right Hoosier, but I don't think we can get the masses involved or have true Democracy until we have substantial Campaign Finance Reform.I absolutely agree with this statement:
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| I would rather see the governement,(tax payers) pay for the campaigns. We give them millions anyway. Give them all the same, no outside money, NONE. |
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 18 2004,7:03 pm
Wow, who was the smart@ss that said that? I do truely believe that. But it has to start somewhere, and I just dont see the politicians doing anything about it until we start punishing them for it at the polls.
Its kind of funny, no one is wrong here. LOL, the only way to punish them at the polls is to get more people involved.
But the only way to get people involved is to change things?
No wonder nothing ever gets accomplished, LOL.
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 19 2004,2:56 pm
Not advocating it, but you COULD make voting mandatory. Think about it--if the "motor-voter" concept (register to vote while at the drivers license bureau) is valid, why not the reverse? NO LICENSE UNLESS YOU SHOWED UP AT THE POLLS. You wouldn't have to vote--just show evidence that you were at the polls or checked out an absentee ballot. This is already the law in some parts of the world--we were in Chile during the elections there--EVERYBODY was required to register at the polls--they didn't have to vote, but they had to register.On the flip side, if people can't make the effort to even show up at the polls, maybe they SHOULDN'T vote. If they don't take the time to get up to speed on issues, perhaps they SHOULDN'T vote. I saw one of the blogs this morning--can't verify the accuracy--but "25% of the people questioned were confused over who would raise taxes on incomes over $200,000, and 25% were confused over who proposes an option to privatize social security". Considering that 180,000 people in Florida were too stupid to either FILL OUT A BALLOT (left blank), or VOTED TWICE ON THE SAME BALLOT, or COULDN'T PUNCH A HOLE IN A BALLOT, perhaps they really SHOULDN'T be voting. In the same vein--I have no problem with someone reading a ballot to someone who can't see--but registering "voters" in a dementia center?
Posted by hoosier on Oct. 19 2004,3:55 pm
I agree Jim, I would be all for making it mandatory.But sadly, I dont believe the politician of today really wants everyone to vote.
Can you imagine? That would just really screw $hit up!
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 19 2004,4:38 pm
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 19 2004,6:26 pm
Maybe election day should be on a weekend, or a holiday from work. Why is it on a Tues. in November? Think about it, it's about as far away from April 15th as you can get. Ya think maybe that was intentional? Or maybe the rest of the country should follow Minnesotas lead. Same day registration, minimal problems, and a high voter turnout.
Posted by jimhanson on Oct. 19 2004,6:32 pm
| Quote |
| Think about it, it's about as far away from April 15th as you can get |
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 22 2004,9:47 pm
Posted by Navin on Oct. 22 2004,10:57 pm
All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward. Ellen Glasgow
Posted by spike on Oct. 23 2004,10:15 am
Quincy~What do you think of local 1/2 percent sales taxes?
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 23 2004,4:28 pm
Posted by busybee on Oct. 29 2004,12:53 am
Quincy, I applaud your desire to increase the awareness of the sport of motocross and the desire of those people to have a track closer than 90 miles away. The track that you mention in one of your posts was built for the sole benefit of two young boys who actively participate in the sport of motocross. A few select friends also utilize the track that also participate in the sport. This track is NOT open to the public. Your giving directions to the track location disturbed me because of the liability issue. Word travels fast. Those who ride this practice track wear protective gear, have well maintained dirt bikes with proper suspension, and experience. The last thing needed is some 16-17 year old and buddies loading up an old dirt bike, heading to the track, riding and getting hurt from lack of experience, proper gear and bike maintainence. It would be devastating to have to tear the track down, especially for those select few who use it to improve their riding and have spent so much time building it and taking care of it. THINK! You know the boys who use that track. Don't ruin it for them because you want to win.
A track in this area could be an exciting addition to our community. It could provide business to the closest motels, gas stations and bring vendors at trackside events. It can also bring businesses towards a common goal, to advertise by sponsoring part of an event. I think you are trying to show getting more people in this area will bring more economy to local businesses. However, I think you need to be more clear about what you say.
You post about Spring Creek Motocross Park located at Millville, MN. If you've ever been to Millville, you'd see that the towns surrounding it haven't grown from a track being there, but $$$ spent to purchase equipment, advertising, and so forth for the track also contribute to those surrounding communities.
Spring Creek holds 10 races a season and one National Event. They are the only track in Minnesota to hold the National Event. When you reference the $$$ figures in respect to Spring Creek, keep in mind that the National Event places Spring Creek on a different profit level than what could be anticiapted for a track in the A.L. area.
I am confused about the insurance issue that people have asked you about. In one post you write that the "City" would pay for it. If you imply the City should pay for it, are you talking about tax $$$, if not how do you propose the insurance be paid? Next, if the City is responsible for the insurance am I to conclude that the City would be the owner? If the City is owner, wouldn't that then create more "city jobs?" That's not something I'm interested in. Wouldn't you need a planner, an accountant, administrator and so forth? Further the $$$ paid to attend/participate at a motocross event or practice day is 99% cash. Who's going to be trustworthy enough to budget that?
In another post you write that a National Sponsor would pay for the insurance. Yes, there is a National Organization called the AMA. If a track is sanctioned by the AMA a certain %age of the money collected from participants and spectators at a track event is given to the AMA for their insurance. Therefore, not paid by them, but to them. They also try to get a % of a track's sponsor contributions. Further, a track must also carry it's own policy for events that are not AMA sanctioned or not covered under that policy.
I don't really see how your plan to have a volunteer system would work for a track to start with. For one, you don't clearify who's going to own the track. Public, private? Where is the equipment going to come from to build and maintain a track that is worth while for anyone to attend? Are you saying that people will volunteer skid loaders, bull dozers, tractors, a starting gate, points towers, a watering system, bathrooms, and their free time on top of it?
Do you know the process of getting District 23 to accept a new track in Minnesota? Or the process to get a track AMA sanctioned? Do you know where you want to build a track? I certainly hope not the old Farmland site. None of us who participate or enjoy spectating the sport of motocross agrees that people who live by this area should have to listen to the hum of dirt bikes every weekend while they're trying to have a grill out or a boat ride around the lake. When you get 500-800 dirt bikes in one area, it gets a little bit noisy and certainly doesn't belong in city limits, unless it's in an enclosed arena.
Many of us who would truly love to see a track in this area would be as supportive of it as possible. However, if you're going to use it as part of your campaign, please be clear and design a workable plan. Some of us worry that you could ruin the possibility of getting community support when you throw the idea out there without clear intentions.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 29 2004,1:32 am
Posted by robin on Oct. 29 2004,8:29 am
OK Quincy, we get it. Your mad as hell and your not going to take it any longer! Bee just wanted to know if you knew what was involved in getting you proposal accomplished. Every one commends you for not only wanting change but for being willing to lead the change you are talking about. What BusyBee was asking was to see your plan, but instead you come back with this rant that didn't answer anything. So at the risk of having you go off again, please show us your plan!
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 29 2004,9:18 am
Government can't do anything but stay out of the way.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 29 2004,2:14 pm
Posted by Truth on Oct. 29 2004,2:16 pm
If things go poorly in the upcoming election I think we could have a record number of criminals running our local government.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 29 2004,2:22 pm
Posted by Truth on Oct. 29 2004,2:29 pm
Yes.
Posted by robin on Oct. 30 2004,10:33 am
Worried you might be on the list?
Posted by Mamma on Oct. 30 2004,10:49 am
Quincy: I think it's great that a person of your age wants to be involved in the community. Don't let the people on here get to you. I know it's not easy to do what you are doing and I wish you all the luck in the world. At least you are doing something besides complaining.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 30 2004,1:35 pm
Posted by busybee on Oct. 30 2004,4:47 pm
Quincy, what in the world causes you to attack as you do? Don't go off babbling about negtivism when you can't even come across POSITIVELY to someone who asks what your plan is to accomplish a task you say won't be done unless someone like you is elected to do it! I didn't think there was anything wrong with my questioning you about your plan for a motocross track. If you are trying to be elected to be someone who leads a community then you are responsible for the accountability of the things you say you are going to do for the community. Those things should be clear, knowledgeable and have follow through if elected. You know, I don't think anyone wants another elected official to talk about something and then not do it. Albert Lea has had enough of that. People in A.L. don't need to be told that we need better jobs, lower taxes and something that will bring business to this area. We already know that. I've been hearing it for a long time now. If you want to be different, then don't just throw ideas out there without showing something concrete to back it up. You accuse...do I know the people you are talking about or any motocross riders at all... Why in the world would I post to you in the first place if I didn't know what I was talking about? Does having a son that placed 5th at Spring Creek Super Series, or a son that placed 1st at Spring Creek Super Series and 31st out of 243 riders in the state of Minnesota after only racing 8 out of the possible 23 races, qualify me enough to know anything about motocross? Does my knowing the chairman of Minnesota District 23 help my credibility with you? Actually, I could be an asset to your idea of a motocross track, but instead you attack me and really didn't answer any of my questions.
Volunteers at the practice track that you talk of in A.L. 50% riders put into it, NOT FAMILY. HUH? I can count on one hand how many people are DEDICATED to helping with up keep on the track and I can narrow it down to 2 who are greatly appreciated. However, they didn't have anything to do with the $$$ spent to have a skid loader, tractor, digger, lawn mower, weed killer spray, weed eaters and so forth.
You act as if it's no big deal that you gave directions to the practice track and encouraged people to go there. I think it's a very big deal. As you put it, it's private and they can do whatever they want. No kidding, my point exactly. PRIVATE is PRIVATE, that means you don't give out directions to a place that is private property. That makes is public. The public causes INSURANCE LIABILITY issues! Are you aware of homeowners insurance and how difficult it is to keep if an owner puts something on their property that is interesting to others to use. For example, people aren't even supposed to have trampolines in their PRIVATE back yards because a kid in the neighborhood might come and jump on it when the owners aren't home and get hurt. All it takes is for someone to spread the word that it's there and the insurance company gets scared and threatens to cancel unless the owner removes the liability issue off the propert they insure. Would you like to explain to me how that would affect the "tight group" of riders you talk so highly of and say would support you? What about the kids it was built for in the first place?
Not once in my post to you did I say I wasn't for a motocross track. As a matter of fact, I posted many positive aspects of it and would love a track closer than 90 miles away. I just want to know how you plan to accomplish this since it's the one thing you decided to focus on in your campaign to the public. I am in this "tight group" of motocross people you speak of and none of us has heard how you plan to accomplish something like this in our area. Once again, the land you intend to use, where is the equipment going to come from, and who's going to build it, handle the planning, and who has the $$$ to do this? Do you honestly think the people in the "tight group" have all the $$$ and time to accomplish this? If that's what you're implying by talking of everything being done by "volunteers" that's a big task to expect of them... you will need more than that to get it done.
My challenge to you is... if your respond, do it in a PROFESSIONAL and POSITIVE manner that shows me you can stay focused on what you plan to do and feel strongly that it would be beneficial to A.L. to have a track in this area.
Posted by ALopinions on Oct. 30 2004,4:48 pm
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| Why would it ruin it for them? |
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| I am going for a tool to put in the young kids hands to keep them away from drugs and to give Albert Lea something good to be proud of!( |
I'm not sure if a dirtbike track would accomplish keeping kids away from drugs. Dirtbike riding is not an inexpensive sport. Although I would be in support of a track in this area, motorcross is enjoyed by a small percentage of people. Many people don't care for motorcross and others can not afford the sport for their children.
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| You say that people will not volenteer? Ha! Do you personally know any dirt-bike riders at all? I DO. It is a very tight group that help out others.(But if you knew anyone that RIDES you would know this). At least 50% of work done at the local private track is done by riders(Not Family). |
I got the impression that bee knew some dirt-bike riders. I know many riders myself. I also know a few tracks in the area. (private tracks) The tracks that I am aware of do not have many volunteers helping out. It is very good friends and family. How well do you know the riders and the sport???
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| I am so sick Negitive Thinking! People that say Albert Lea will never grow, get better jobs,etc. and it never will without Leaders that are willing to make the change! |
You sound enthusiastic, but so did Jean when she campaigned the first time around. She won based on enthusiasm. What is to tell us you can actually carry out what you say you want to accomplish. The one who sounds really negative to me is you. If you want to be mayor of this town, you need to learn some public relations skills. Asking you about your plan should not be met with anger. No, your intentions were not clear.
Posted by Truth on Oct. 30 2004,4:52 pm
I don't care about age I care about integrity, honesty and character.Character matters it is were leadership qualities are derived.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 30 2004,6:01 pm
Posted by Truth on Oct. 30 2004,6:44 pm
I noticed you write quite poorly. Are you high school graduate?
Posted by busybee on Oct. 31 2004,12:23 am
Quincy, you are so blind to the words you read! I never said you didn't know any of the riders in this area...jeepers stop being so defensive and LISTEN would you! I'm not going to call you because simple written words don't seem to be clear enough for you! I feel like I'm trying to get my point across to a brick wall and instead of you understanding that YOU could possibly be the cause of the private track owners insurance company CANCELLING on them because of YOUR PUBLICIZING it, thus making them have to tear down the track in order to get insurance for their home and PRIVATE PROPERTY, you continue to make STUPID comments like...major accidents! OH MY GOD are you so caught up in yourself that you can't think of OTHERS? You don't even own a dirt bike. You enjoy watching and supporting those that do, but you aren't one of those young kids who the track was built for in the first place that take it SERIOUSLY and it's the sport they TRULY LOVE. This is the only place for them to ride within 90 miles! The riders you want to help, are you planning on ruining what they have now so you can be some kind of HERO! Sure looks like it to me and then you'll really have some angry people at you because if those kids I speak of lose the practice track at their own private property I am confident that those you say you want to support will NEVER and I mean NEVER forgive you for taking that away from them! Do you hear me now! Never been sued and that makes it okay. You are so naive, Quincy. Do you know how insurance companies work?
People can be best friends and if they get hurt on their freinds private property and their insurance company has to pay $$$ for that injury it's usually the injured person's insurance company that goes after the private owners property insurance company to recoop their money. Whether a person wants to sue isn't an option any more. Insurance companies don't want to pay unless they absolutely have to! I still hold firm on the volunteer thing. There is NOT as many as you speak of. It is a private track. Those kids, parents and TWO (I'll write it another way to help you understandt) 2 CLOSE FRIENDS that work on the track! The two "volunteers" do it because they love the owners, their kids, and the sport! They don't do it so every person who thinks they can ride at a private track can so don't make it seem as if that's the case!
Good Sam has been unusable for at least 3 years now. It was not a track that was built from volunteers bringing in equipment to build it. It was piles of dirt left behind from a company that I believe used it as a gravel pit. People rode there simply because it was there and vacant at that time.
Your plan still isn't clear! What land does the city own that your proposing? What investors? What's the start up costs? What's the process to get a race event recognized by the AMA and District 23?
Posted by cea on Oct. 31 2004,3:20 am
I'm confused...Why do you need to be a mayor to establish a motocross track, or a pool hall?
If you have all of this support, it shouldn’t be that hard to get the ball rolling.
Your plan should be able to stand on its own, if it can do that, everything else will fall into place.
Posted by DrBombay on Oct. 31 2004,12:59 pm
Quinsy, I wish you luck too. In fact I know several people who have already voted for you and some who are planning to. Truth's real name is Deputy Fife and he has spent a lot of time logging in here from Freeborn Co. Computers while on duty. So if that's what he speaks of as integrity, who cares what he thinks.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Oct. 31 2004,1:06 pm
Truth=HypocrisyA true enemy of the people and of freedom.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 31 2004,1:46 pm
Posted by busybee on Oct. 31 2004,3:04 pm
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I told you already.
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| Does having a son that placed 5th at Spring Creek Super Series, or a son that placed 1st at Spring Creek Super Series and 31st out of 243 riders in the state of Minnesota after only racing 8 out of the possible 23 races, qualify me enough to know anything about motocross? |
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| If a track was built in the area and since you have kids that ride..would you take some time and help if needed? |
I already wrote,
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| Actually, I could be an asset to your idea of a motocross track, but instead you attack me and really didn't answer any of my questions. |
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| Would you help out your kids in building a new jump? |
Why would I be so annoyed about this with you if I didn't have an interest in my kids having a place to ride closer than 90 miles away? Think and read what I have wrote in the past to you. You made assumptions about the private track you write about, assumptions that you could use it to publicize your role in running for mayor. You did not consider the affects that could have on the property owners and the kids it was built for.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Oct. 31 2004,5:50 pm
Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2004,12:02 am
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| Since you know these "Property Owners" that we are talking about. Ask them if they have a problem with me talking about them. |
Did you ask them??? Yes, they do have a problem with you publicizing their PRIVATE property. I have REPEATEDLY tried to explain that to you, and the REASONS, but instead you continued ASSUMING you had the right anyway. You obviously can not admit when you're WRONG and now have even resorted to LYING...
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| I talked to ONE of them TODAY! |
YOU'R A LIAR! | Quote |
| Or even ask the 2 kids that live there that ride... |
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| Just found out that one of the kids is 37th in State...How about that.......Kids like that are the reason I am running for Mayor... |
Posted by ALopinions on Nov. 01 2004,11:58 am
Quincy- Maybe you should stop & think. As a mayoral candidate you should show some accountability for the words you speak. My family is a part of the “tight group” you speak of. I know quite well one of the two volunteers of the
private track, as well as the property owners. I am very angry about your lies & misinformation.
You & I bothknow you never received permission from the owners.
I may have more respect for you if you would have just admitted when you were wrong. It is not appropriate for
you to invite the public to someone’s home. What amazes me is that you still think it is okay.
What does it take toget through to you??? Sadly, you only hurt the very people you say you are trying to help.
Your latest post now directs busy bee to “ask the boys” Since these are minors we speak of, is that a responsible
statement? You continue to dig yourself in deeper. I also noticed you used initials in a previous post. If I were you,
I would be cautious & refrain from using initials or their names. You could be looking at a lawsuit.
You have invested nothing into this track or any other. You don’t even ride dirtbike, do you??? Don’t make
assumptions about something you know nothing about.
I checked your information.
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| Just found out that one of the kids is 37th in State...How about that.......Kids like that are the reason I am running for Mayor... |
In the classes these two boys ride in (one boy races in two classes) the 37th positions went to B.
Kaskovich, A. Warehime & J. Sweet. This proves you haven’t spoken to the property owners & are unaware of what is going on with these two kids.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,1:21 pm
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,1:44 pm
Posted by The Game on Nov. 01 2004,2:32 pm
IV'E HAD IT. Quincy in my professional opinion you Sir are a complete ass clown. Your attack on potential voters and name-calling is NOT what I want out of a mayoral candidate. Your typing, grammar, and spelling all suck and you would need a full time secretary just to correct all of your typos. If you don’t care about how you look in a forum.... Fine, but I do not want an under educated twit representing me in the office. Go take writing classes at Riverland or some other educational facility. You duck issues; your dodge questions you make up things and you betray information that people tell you in confidence. Go learn some manners and respect. I appreciate the reason you wanted to run and actually admire that, but I fully disagree with the methods you use. Maybe you’re just a young Tony Soprano in the making.
Good luck in your future projects.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,2:53 pm
Posted by The Game on Nov. 01 2004,3:09 pm
Ill see you at Jaxx, or maybe the hotel, or any other place election night. Oops that’s right you said you might be home.... You think I am afraid of you Mr. Borland? You are clueless. As a News Anchor in a top 60 market I have spoken to, questioned and filed more Associated Press reports in politics and about politicians than you can shake a stick at. If you saw me there at Jaxx, you could have spoken to me too, it goes both ways. In reference to another post in here, I told you it was an idea to do it (debate), it could not be worked out. I would have loved to do it for the public interest and my own curiosity. I cannot help the fact I have bosses above me who killed it. I've never ducked you a day in my life and I never will. As for me being anonymous here, I'm not.... My bio page says who I am and many here know who I am and what I do.
Best Wishes Mr. Borland
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,3:49 pm
Posted by Truth on Nov. 01 2004,3:50 pm
PH=Hate.
Posted by robin on Nov. 01 2004,4:15 pm
I don't get it Truth. How about enlightening me.
Posted by ALopinions on Nov. 01 2004,4:21 pm
Quincy- This forum was designed for discussion & debate with anonymity. You have tryed to use it to benefit your campaign, therefore making it beneficial to use your name. Great for you. Others should have the right to remain confidential, if they so choose. You don't have to lie or dodge questions for people to like you, just use some common sense before dragging others in with your ideas. I am not a liar, you are misinformed. I will repeat, You did not get the owner's permission or speak with them. I DID. Your information on the boys' placings is INCORRECT. Look it up on the internet for yourself! I would explain to you how to do that, but since you supposably know so much about the sport of motorcross you should be able to do it yourself. Also, the owners would appreciate their privacy. If you were respectful of others, maybe people wouldn't be so angry with you.
Posted by The Game on Nov. 01 2004,4:50 pm
Quincy,Much better post and I too was disappointed at the decision that was made. We did it 2 years ago and I thought it was a good service. KATE or talk radio has more time to devote to debates and such, however, in a music driven format it is difficult to pull off. Win or lose this time around keep on swinging Quincy. You do have good ideas and your young enough to have many terms if you do it well and do it for the people. I still personally believe that the council has all the power, but it would be good to have someone step up, stand up and call them out on issues instead of doing damage control after the fact.
All the Best!
Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2004,5:04 pm
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| All the Family on that side of mine where at a churh event yesterday. |
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| I am not going into details |
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| My cusin ownes the land with the help of my uncle. You are soo funny. |
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| And no, I did not talk to the kids but their Grandma is the one that told me this. |
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| I talked to one of them today! |
Can you keep your story straight! Didn't you write that you talked to the owners, not the grandma? | Quote |
| Big Mouths and liers. Look what we have. I can back up everything. You all can not! |
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,6:22 pm
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Posted by Truth on Nov. 01 2004,8:33 pm
So is that it? Is that your platform?
Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2004,9:52 pm
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| So what is your name? If you know so much about me then say what your name is please. |
In a way, you have won. You have done EVERYTHING to make this even more PUBLIC all the while I have been trying to get you to downsize it and admit you didn't ask the owners if they wanted their PROPERTY publicized! Why is it that I would know so much about you, the property owners, how they feel, what goes on with the kids and how important the track is to them, your family and so forth?
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| OK, My cusin is the reason I am fighting for this. |
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| He is the one that gave me a lot of my number to check out. |
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| He has been trying to do the same thing for years. |
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| The Grandma & Grandpa do not have much in them. They can not go and watch their grand kids race. They are the reason I want a track here. |
You're too dishonest to do something like that.
Posted by ALopinions on Nov. 01 2004,10:33 pm
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| If Marlin had a problem with people riding out there then my cusin should move it away from the main road, Or maybe turn down riders he does not know. He is doing a great thing for his kids and riders in the area. |
So now you are going to once again take no responsibility and blame things on someone else. It is of no business of yours or anyone elses where the track was built on private property. Their choice to build near the road does not give anyone permission to ride. Quincy, you were the one who extended the invitation. The owners shouldn't have to guard their property from people who drop in assuming they can ride.
Quincy logic: If I see a swimming pool in my neighbor's yard: I should have the right to swim without permission.
If I liked the grill sitting next door in plain sight, I have the right to grill out unless they are around to turn me away.
Hey there's a great trampoline at this house I know, it's near the road come on over everyone.
Yes, he is doing a great thing for his kids. That's who it was built for, not anybody else.
Posted by QuincyBorland on Nov. 01 2004,11:18 pm
Posted by busybee on Nov. 02 2004,12:10 am
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| You All have big mouths with nothing to back it up |
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| I have my real name on here, What the hell are you scared of? |
I'm not like you, I can see clearly the damage you are causing from what you have done. You, however, CAN'T SEE PAST your IMMATURE and INCONSIDERATE self! | Quote |
| the track out there was built for the kids, But turned into something else didn't it? |
But you DON'T GIVE A DAMN do you Quincy! It's more important for you to keep yourself from getting egg on your face and admit you LIED about asking if you could publicize it!| Quote |
| I sure wish I find out who you are. That would be a great day. |
Posted by Sideshow_Bob on Nov. 02 2004,12:16 am
Busybee, you're wasting your time, he's to thick headed to get it and obviously not capable of admitting he lied.Write in Roger Bok for Mayor! Quincy is nothing but a liar with a questionable past.
Posted by Outrage on Nov. 02 2004,12:53 am
I am sorry to say but, we do not have anyone running against Jean Eaton that stands a chance. I know someone that will indeed be running next election that will be an eye shocker to everyone. This person will be a true leader.
Posted by busybee on Nov. 02 2004,3:41 am
Does writing in someone really work? Are you serious about Roger Bok?
Posted by Newbie on Nov. 02 2004,7:12 am
I heard alot of people are going to write in Roger Bok.
Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2004,8:45 am
I did write in Roger Bok. Your choice is Happy the Clown Eaton.
Quincy, I live in my own fantazy world Borland.
Or, a write in vote.
I chose Roger because I truely believe that this city council and Mayor deserve nothing more than to have Roger Bok sit at that table, and remind them all every meeting just how disapointed people are with the job they have done.
Go Roger!
Posted by DrBombay on Nov. 02 2004,9:00 am
If nothing else it's enjoyable to sit back and dream about Roger getting elected. Who would antagonize the council more? But...who knows more about the goings on than Roger? He's attended more council meetings than anyone sitting now plus the mayor. He remembers all there shinanigans too.
Posted by robin on Nov. 02 2004,9:09 am
Just got back from voting. I thought I was conflicted by some of the choices I was about to make. It turned out to be quite easy to choose. Sorry Quincy, I didn't give it a second thought as I completed the line and voted for Eaton. She may be lost, but she is going in one direction. I may not like the direction she is going, but she is following her compass and staying on course. Sorry Quincy but you have just been looping.
Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2004,9:10 am
LOL, lets face it, if Ronald McDonald can be our Mayor, anyone can. Vote for Bok, Eaton take a walk.
Posted by DrBombay on Nov. 02 2004,9:38 am
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| I may not like the direction she is going, but she is following her compass and staying on course. |
Holy staying the course Robin, I'll bet you voted for Bush too!
Posted by DrBombay on Nov. 02 2004,9:39 am
Oh well, Kerry will win big anyway. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!
Posted by robin on Nov. 02 2004,10:15 am
Nope! I vote for keep me from going to Iraq, but I'll defend you from terror Kerry.
Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2004,10:25 am
I have to admit that I am not so proud of my vote for president.I broke from my opinion that if you vote for the person you believe to be the best candidate, then you havent wasted your vote at all.
In my opinion, that person is Ralph Nader.
But this election is like none I have seen in my time. I believe that if Bush wins, we are setting a course of war for decades to come. Along with bankrupting America as he does it.
This election isnt just about the next 4 years.
Its about our kids futures, and wether they will be sent to a war that has nothing to do with our national security. And if they will be burdened with the debt that Bush will leave behind.
Posted by DrBombay on Nov. 02 2004,4:06 pm
Very cool!! Kerry will win, and BIG!!I gotta tell ya Hoosier, I voted Nader in 2000 and didn't feel guilty about taking a vote away from Gore. I still think Naders brilliant too. This year is just to important. I've gotten to like Kerry over time. We'll see what happens but nobodies as bad as Bush.
Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2004,7:19 pm
I totally agree. If people would have taken sometime to listen to Nader, they would realize he has more in comman with peoples thoughts and beliefs on this forum than any of the others.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Nov. 02 2004,7:24 pm
Yep, but a vote for him is a vote for Bushy...
Posted by hoosier on Nov. 02 2004,7:32 pm
I know, I know, thats why I voted for Kerry.
Posted by allergic to bogus on Nov. 03 2004,7:13 am
I just wanted to thank Quincy Borland for getting out and getting the 20's populas to vote. A pretty good number voted for him. Getting involved in local politics yourself and getting others to as well, in many ways you did win in that regard. Good job. Thanks.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Nov. 03 2004,7:23 am
| Quote (DrBombay @ Nov. 02 2004,9:39:am) |
| Oh well, Kerry will win big anyway. VOTE VOTE VOTE!! |
Posted by DrBombay on Nov. 04 2004,4:17 pm
Ok, JJ I admit I was wrong. I wasn't the only one thinking those high turn-out numbers were going to go in Kerry's favor. You gotta have hope to get up and fight another day.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Nov. 05 2004,5:09 pm
| Quote (DrBombay @ Nov. 04 2004,4:17:pm) |
| Ok, JJ I admit I was wrong. I wasn't the only one thinking those high turn-out numbers were going to go in Kerry's favor. You gotta have hope to get up and fight another day. |
I luv ya doc, you're a cool cat, even if yer leaning a little left
--JJ
Posted by Paul Harvey on Nov. 05 2004,5:24 pm
Kerry DID win MN.
Posted by Jesus Juice on Nov. 06 2004,9:24 am
| Quote (Paul Harvey @ Nov. 05 2004,5:24:pm) |
| Kerry DID win MN. |
So, does that mean he is President of Minnesota?
Minnesota is leaning more & more to the right in presidential elections, 2008 could be the year Minnesota joins 'Jesusland'.
--JJ
Posted by magter on Nov. 06 2004,12:28 pm
Quincy, Quincy, Quincy, you really think no-one printed all your filth on this topic before you edited them all out? ;)