Topic: Fatal accident
started by: GEOKARJO
Posted by GEOKARJO on Apr. 01 2004,7:33 pm
7:33 pm no details
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 01 2004,7:44 pm
It was between Wal-mart and Home Depot on Blake Avenue, a motorcycle T-boned an SUV.At least 1 fatality from head injuries. The driver of the SUV had to be taken out of her vehicle by the fire dept. and was taken to hospital with minor injuries.
Posted by Spidey on Apr. 01 2004,7:49 pm
packerbacker that's a very ugly thing to say I know a lot of Cycle people.
Posted by packerbacker on Apr. 01 2004,8:41 pm
agreed, my apologies to all and condolances to the family involved.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 01 2004,9:01 pm
Murdercycles and AL drivers don't seem to mix very well.
Posted by Mamma on Apr. 01 2004,9:34 pm
Ya...how clever you are with words. The motorcycles aren't the problem. It's the drivers who can't seem to get it into their heads that a motorcycle is entitled to be on the road. People need to be more aware of them and realize that they are there. I hate it when stupidity kills people.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 01 2004,10:03 pm
Yes, I agree. That is the problem. Respect. Many drivers don't respect, bicycles, motorcycles and dog walkers. I was almost killed walking my dog last night. I knew the driver was going to error and did. It was pure instinct that saved my life. I KNEW they were going to error and the punk missed us by a couple of feet at best. I'm considering carrying a cell and bright light so I can call in plates. Kids tend to drive fast and selfish. Most goofy drivers appear to be under 25, maybe I'm a bit biased, but the worst drivers appear to be young.
Posted by rosebudinal on Apr. 01 2004,10:31 pm
Nonetheless, another sad occurance that will mark the spring, a cycle fatality. My condolences to the family. My mother called knowing that I had mentioned I needed to go to Walmart thinking that I might have been involved and I called my brother a cyclist having a gut feeling that he too was headed to walmart. Was glad to hear him pick up his cellphone, ironically, he was at Walmart and came upon the scene minutes after it happened. Said that there were 2 other bikes on the side of the road, like the 3 had been riding together. In a town this size, we all know that most of us will have known this individual if he was a native. Hug your family and pray for the family of this unfortunate soul. I know I will.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 01 2004,11:43 pm
I disagree mamma & minnow, I think the problem is the cycle drivers themselves most of the time. I'm sure some are good drivers, but too many of them act like no one else is on the road. I've had to be careful a few times from them almost running into me while zig zagging between lanes. I had a friend who died on a motorcycle, its a shame when it happens to someone you know, but I don't recall an incident I know of personally where it wasn't the cyclists fault. I think when this happens, too often we blame the car driver without finding out who really was at fault.
Just to clarify, I'm don't know the specifics of this incident by Wal-Mart, just responding to the generalizations comparing car & motorcycle drivers.
Posted by Spidey on Apr. 02 2004,12:05 am
I agree with you irisheyes, all except I do know of times when it was the driver of a vehicals fault. It's not always the cycles fault. But I've seen bikes weave in and out of traffic ... pass on the left of a one lane highway ... etc. I mean no disrespect to anyone who has lost someone from a cycle accident, I too have lost good freinds who rode bikes.
Posted by Daisy Duke on Apr. 02 2004,12:17 am
Actually the SUV ran the red light stricking the cyclist!!!
Posted by Mamma on Apr. 02 2004,7:36 am
I too have seen a few motorcycle riders without common sense. I do believe though that most of the accidents are caused by the car drivers. I have two sons with cycles and they are always saying how people pull out in front of them. Maybe it's because the size of the cycle makes it harder to judge just how fast it is going. I think most of the ones dodging in and out of traffic are riding "crotch rockets"...and I guess I don't really think of those as motorcycles.( Maybe it's my "old" age) 
Posted by LisaMarie on Apr. 02 2004,7:52 am
Just my two cents on the issue, I think any motorcyclist who doesn't wear a helmet and dies from head injuries in an accident is just Darwin proving he's right. I feel really sorry for this guy's family, and if the SUV driver was at fault he should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Posted by Spidey on Apr. 02 2004,9:53 am
Mama ... I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that cars cause a lot of the accidents. Our points are being made by both sides of the situation and I believe they are the same points. But no one can disregard the fact that there are a lot of motorcycles out there "with attitudes" so to speak. Crotch Rockets ARE motorcycles. I think they look a lot scarier because of the way the rider sits on them ... and the fact that they can go really fast. I personally think it's scary seeing all of these kids on them. One guy who was very young came to a stop light and could barely hold the bike up. He wobbled back and forth coming to a stop ... no helmet ... his face looked a bit terrified too. But ... then when the light turned red he barrel assed out of there going around other cars illegally.
I agree with LisaMarie ... riding without a helmet is like playing Russian Roulete with your life. It's a free for all when it comes to bikes, but by god if your in a car you better have your seat belt on!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Madd Max on Apr. 02 2004,1:08 pm
Rest in peace Tip. I will miss you.
Posted by Spidey on Apr. 02 2004,1:23 pm
Madd Max ... I'm so sorry, it sounds like you knew the guy. I know how your feeling, I've lost people in accidents also. My best to you.His name sounds familiar to me but I can't place him.
Spidey
Posted by minnow on Apr. 02 2004,1:52 pm
I envy guys like Tip. Guys with the courage to live life to its fullest. I'm finally in the position of purchasing my dream Harley or custom and would love to. I ended up getting into bicycles instead and not just for health reasons. Sometimes I wish I could be more like Tip.
Posted by Spidey on Apr. 02 2004,1:58 pm
| Quote |
| Sometimes I wish I could be more like Tip. |
What's stopping you?
Posted by Hanna on Apr. 02 2004,2:08 pm
Tip was the most "biker" looking guy you've ever seen, with a heart as big as his motorcycle. He will be missed by all of us that ride.My condolences go out to his family and friends.
Posted by Hanna on Apr. 02 2004,2:10 pm
and to Minnow, we don't care about your dog, your desire to be like someone else, or your ability to afford a new Harley.You're a moron.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 02 2004,2:19 pm
Who's we? Do you speak for everyone now you arrogant SOB?You don't speak for everyone, you speak for yourself and yourself only and you don't even do that well...
You must feel you need strength in numbers...what a Gimp...
I'm not fooled.
It's all about me and always has been. You're just a dumb hick without an original thought in your boring head...
Posted by Tiger on Apr. 02 2004,2:35 pm
Minnow, this isn't about you for once. It is about Tip! 
Posted by Lynn on Apr. 02 2004,3:50 pm
Tip was a very nice guy despite looking like a rough bike rider. Just goes to show you can't judge a book by its cover. I met him many years ago through my cousin. He would always come over to my grandma's house and visit with her. I think she considered him family because he really cared how she was doing. Our family will miss him.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 02 2004,3:59 pm
LEO's all over the midwest are looking to bust guys like that. Just go over Rochester way one time...Her name is --->Debbie Soost age--45 2002 vehicle.
She pulled directly in front of the bike causing a perfect "T-bone" crash or like I'm giong to call it "A Soost".
A motorcyclist gets "Soost" when an automobile driver pulls out directly into the bikes path at the very last moment. leaving the motorcyclist no other option than a "Soost" impact.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 02 2004,4:38 pm
| Quote (minnow @ April 02 2004,2:19:pm) |
| You don't speak for everyone, you speak for yourself |
Spidey
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| Crotch Rockets ARE motorcycles. I think they look a lot scarier because of the way the rider sits on them. |
Especially if you're a guy, and you think, "yep, if I hit a speed bump going too fast, I'll never be able to have kids".
Posted by Mamma on Apr. 02 2004,7:17 pm
Minnow, do you even have a driver's license?
And yes, I do know that the "crotch rockets" are motorcycles. I guess what I meant was, You would never see a true "biker" riding one of those idiot machines. And Minnow, your remarks about the lady involved in the accident were uncalled for. They call those things "accidents" for a reason. I don't think she intentionally tried to pull out in front of anyone. She will live with this for the rest of her life. One little mistake can cause a lifetime of misery.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 02 2004,7:24 pm
It's not like we have big city traffic. It was during daylight...what is she blind or did she have her mind on other things? I concentrate while in the vehicle because I'm certainly aware that "One little mistake can cause a lifetime of misery."
Posted by GEOKARJO on Apr. 02 2004,7:27 pm
What time did the sunset, was he traveling east?
Posted by Montyman on Apr. 02 2004,8:59 pm
sunset is about 7 p.m.if she was northbound, yes he was traveling east.
maybe she was on a cell phone. cell phones really impair driving...
most bikers i know or see don't run red lights, because they know the possible outcome if
they are hit by another vehicle.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Apr. 03 2004,10:55 am
Sorry I just thought if it was sunset he was coming from the west this time of year he was hidden by the sun when she looked to the west before pulling outl.
Posted by Truth on Apr. 03 2004,3:40 pm
Either way you are not suppose to drive through red lights. Sun in you reyes is never an excuse. I know you were not sayng that Geo...but I've heard that as an excuse before. It doesn't fly.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Apr. 03 2004,3:43 pm
There is a right turn on red.
Posted by Truth on Apr. 03 2004,3:53 pm
Not when you are not turning right.
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Apr. 04 2004,5:10 pm
The first time I met Tip, me and a buddy of mine went to his house to pick up a paint gun. The first thing that I thought when he came to the door was holy sh@t! He was almost the exact way I had pictured a biker to look in my head. Meeting him right at first was pretty intimidating, but as has already been said, he had a heart of gold and was one hell of a guy that definitely lived life to the fullest extent possible.You will be missed man...
Posted by minnow on Apr. 04 2004,5:36 pm
Hanna doesn't give a damn what you think..isn't that right Hanna?
Posted by rosebudinal on Apr. 04 2004,9:27 pm
About a week ago, his family had a big birthday party for him at a local restaurant, his 52nd. They were laughing and having a great time. How nice that they did that. Memories last forever. He was a "dry biker" who did alot of good in the community. Took kids fishing, etc. his biking companion that night was a neighbor and also on the force. My heart goes out to him as well as his sister, Starr and 4 children and many grandchildren. Lets hope that we all are more aware of bikers out there on the road and for those with misconceptions about them. Realize the good things that many do for their communities.
Posted by Tiger on Apr. 06 2004,2:06 pm
Did anyone see the parade of motorcycles today in honor of Tip? It was an amazing site and goes to show just how loved he was. My prayers go out to all who knew and loved him.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 06 2004,3:08 pm
No I didn't, but knowing Tip, I'm sure the church was packed. I was sorry I couldn't get to the funeral. I couple of guys at work went though. Both Harley owners.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 06 2004,3:22 pm
It justs makes me angry that Soost has not even been charged with making a boo boo...
Posted by GEOKARJO on Apr. 06 2004,3:42 pm
Give it time minnow, even the legal system has a heart, I would say they are letting the family have time to mourn.The investigation is still on going. Once the reports are in, involuntary manslaughter charges may or may not be filed.
Posted by shaker on Apr. 06 2004,11:33 pm
I have know Tip for a good number of years and feel very sad about his death, on the other side of the coin lets not persecute the driver of the other car, remember the phrase--there but for the grace of God I go, How many of us can say that We have never made a mistake when driveing that could have resulted in a wreck? Just think about it, it could happen to any one of us, We are not infallable.
Posted by minnow on Apr. 07 2004,4:56 am
Not a mistake like that.
Posted by BDV on Apr. 07 2004,8:54 am
I knew Tip, though not well, and I don't think from the converstations I had with him that he would want the book throw at Deb Soost. She is a hard working woman who is a responsible citizen, but she messed-up, and now someone that I am sure she has even chatted with from time to time is dead. How tragic. We don't need to make it worse by stringing her up. If it turns out she was impaired, then it is different to me, and she should be severly punished. If straight, then come on, she is not a criminal, she got careless and I agree about living with it will be hell. I know her and this will tear her apart, someone better watch her and make sure she does not kill herself over this. She is kind and sensitive.
Posted by Hanna on Apr. 07 2004,9:52 am
I agree with BDV. I don't think the lady should be strung up either. It has been two years since the same thing happened to my brother, the criminal trial for the man that hit him is starting next week. It has been a really hard two years (the constant waiting for it to be over), I hope Tip's family and friends won't have to endure that kind of pain. As for the automobile drivers, I don't think ruining them financially or putting them in jail is justice. I have no ill feelings for the man who killed my brother.
It was a senseless mistake (in both cases), but we all make them. I can only imagine what Ms. Soost must be feeling.
My heart goes out to both parties, because being involved in an identical issue has taught me to step back and look at the total picture.
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Ok minnow, you can tell me you don't care what I think, you owe me one.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 07 2004,1:23 pm
Tiger | Quote |
| Did anyone see the parade of motorcycles today in honor of Tip? |
Posted by Tiger on Apr. 07 2004,1:29 pm
I believe it. I was by the church and with all the bikes it looked like a motorcycle convention.
Posted by Krispit on Apr. 08 2004,12:17 am
I didn't know Tip well, but he was my neighbor so we chatted many times as he rode by on his bike. I agree with the above posts that Tip would want us to think of both families involved in this. It was an accident, and that's all. I agree that it is unfortunate, but it happens. Tip was an awesome person who did a lot of good and will be greatly missed, but I also think that he would be the first one to say lets not drag this out. The fact of the matter is, it's part of life. Nothing that is done from this point on is going to bring him back. It will only hurt everyone involved (Both Families) more.And as for a small message to Tip, Ride On Forever!!! You will be missed!
Posted by Lynn on Apr. 08 2004,10:13 am
There was over 300 motorcycles in the funeral procession for Tip. Even Father Schneider rode his motorcycle in the procession. They figured they would serve about 250 people for lunch. They had 800 people come. What a tribute to a man who was very good for this community.
Posted by kid dyn-o-mite on Apr. 08 2004,3:50 pm
In Rochester he'd just be long hair drug hippie biker and up to no good. A monster to our children. I suspect that he didn't spend much time there.
Posted by rosebudinal on Apr. 11 2004,6:44 pm
Prayers to his family at this time and to all of you who have lost a loved one this year. We take so much for granted and need to let our family members, friends and all of our loved ones know what they mean to us while they are still here. A peaceful Easter to all.
Posted by frecklegirl on Apr. 11 2004,9:45 pm
As Tip's neice, I appreciate those of you who shared stories or memories of Tip. He was my fav uncle and we spent a lot of time together. I admired him and hope to someday be more like him. He was truly a biker with the biggest heart I. He lived every moment of his life to the fullest and never asked for anything in return. He'd be there for anyone no matter what. I cry every time I think of him now and wish he was still here. He loved and accepted everyone for who they were.By the way, he was the safest cycle driver anyone ever met. He taught numerous people in our area how to drive their cycles. Everyone knew he was very cautious when he rode his bikes. Also, there is no helmet law in MN and getting hit by an SUV at the speed she was traveling wouldn't have made any difference.
Our family has knows the woman did not intend to do what she did. We, unfortunately, have lost one of the most generous, amazing, and completely selfless men ever born.
I love him and miss him with all my heart.
Posted by kid dyn-o-mite on Apr. 11 2004,9:55 pm
Don't let the grieving process hinder you from making her insurance company play fair ball. Insurance companies count on this from families whose suffered great loss and are not in the mood to seek fair pay out. Her insurance company is responsible for a very substantial wrongful death liability.
Posted by Mamma on Apr. 12 2004,7:46 am
Oh yes, sue, sue, sue. It may not make you feel better, but it will make that stupid woman's insurance company pay. When are you going to see that when someone sues it raises the insurance premiums for everyone? Yes, the are entitled to sue, but maybe a little compassion for the relatives of Tip would have been a better response.
Posted by carnation on Apr. 12 2004,8:55 am
Just curious if it has been proven that the driver of the SUV was at fault. I never heard exactly how it happened. Also curious if there is really a problem with the lights out there.
Posted by Truth on Apr. 12 2004,2:37 pm
I haven't noticed a problem. What is the nature of the problem supposed to be?
Posted by kid dyn-o-mite on Apr. 12 2004,3:24 pm
"When are you going to see that when someone sues it raises the insurance premiums for everyone?Huh? Are you stupid. Court cases are won on merit. Ensuring that companies play fair does not raise premiums, they lower premiums. Don't tell these folks to just accept what the insurance company is offering. There have lawyers working hard on their behalf. but they are not supposed to do get an attorney because YOU'RE scared that your premiums will rise. One, it's untrue, two, you're just thinking of yourself. Get lost.
Posted by Mamma on Apr. 12 2004,6:21 pm
Yes. I am stupid. And I am also an idiot...a lost idiot now, I guess. I should have figured out that when the insurance companies pay out a million dollars for an accident it would lower my premium. I am so sorry. I don't think I said they shouldn't sue, but you on the otherhand start screaming "sue them" for everything that pops up on here. Do you honestly think families have to be told that they can sue? Are you dense?
Posted by Daisy Duke on Apr. 12 2004,7:51 pm
No problem with the lights!!! The lady ran the red light way after it turned red. You realize "kiddie" that their is a seven second delay before the green light comes on. Tip wouldn't have died if the lady actually stopped at the RED light for goodness sakes even my 4 year olds know that green means "go" and red means "stop".
Yes mamma your right that the way insurance works that is partly why freeborn county premiums are so high it is assinine.
Posted by kid dyn-o-mite on Apr. 12 2004,7:59 pm
Wrong. They're high because insurance companies have bought and paid for your representitives. Even just last week a Florida insurance firm paid a one million dollar penalty for buying republicans in MN. THAT'S why they are high. Make no mistake about it. The insurance only pays for coverage that their clients are liable for. That's what "merits of the case mean".If she ran a red light, it had to be on purpose, or a major brain fart.
Posted by rosebudinal on Apr. 12 2004,8:16 pm
Freckleface, u know who I am (I posted for you to find it) please excuse some of the people in this forum, while some mean well, others are like the pain in the backend in the classroom who's jokes were never funny, that we all have had to deal with at one time or another. For the most part, the postings by ppl who knew him were wonderful and I am so glad that you logged on.