Topic: Hoosiers My apologies
started by: GEOKARJO
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 23 2004,5:32 pm
After rereading all your post I confused your support for legalization, as possible use as, you assume I am a drunk cause I work in a Bar. so we both ASS(out of) U(and) MEHowever Minnow has admitted to use there is no need to apologize to him.
However it is illegal and being illegal is a method of keeping kids off the stuff, but if they want it they will find it.
The court system does make these kids attend treatment which seldom works but does for most who want more out of life than to get high or stoned.
6 ounces of pot is 2 ounces shy of a half pound So he got rid of little over a half pound before he got busted. Selling the stuff to your kids and mine.
No No my child would never.
Jail is a deturant of crime.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 23 2004,5:49 pm
...again, more BS. 
You drink everyday by your own admission. And, you are probably a nicotine addict as well, in which case you hit up everyday (all day). That's two...two drugs in one!
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 23 2004,5:53 pm
No one is gonna bust through my living room door with a search warant for an illegal activity. 
Posted by hoosier on Mar. 23 2004,6:37 pm
Geo, apologie accepted. You are right, it is the law, I dont agree with it, but thats the way it is. But in my opinion, it could still be against the law, but not require jail time. Treatment might not work all the time, but im sorry, in my opinion, this kid selling pot is going to be less of a danger to society, than the same kid is going to be after spending 10 years in jail with real, hardened criminals. At the very least they should get home detention with weekly drug screens. But not 10 years for pot!
Posted by minnow fan on Mar. 23 2004,7:36 pm
| Quote (GEOKARJO @ Mar. 23 2004,5:53:pm) |
| No one is gonna bust through my living room door with a search warant for an illegal activity. |
Nope, not today because the drugs you abuse for some reason are deemed 'legal'
in the eyes of our gov't and we all know the gov't ALWAYS knows best Someday this hypocritical country will wake up & cease the war it is waging on it's own citizens. People should be allowed to do whatever they want in the privacy in their own homes as long as it does not effect anyone else.
That's a far cry from your drugs that you abuse in public which in turn you force upon others, thus effecting them.
ALA second hand smoke
Here is how GEO thinks: Send those damn pot smokers to prision for 10 years just make sure I can smoke in a public place, I don't give a rip who's lungs I pollute, that's not my problem.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 23 2004,8:08 pm
I am sorry I do not consider a drink or two before bedtime abuse, I don't smoke at my store in the Mall as it is Smoke Free, I have one room in my home with an air purifier ( a very expensive one ) Located in the basement. However I smoke only one day a week at home and probly only 2 maybe 3 cigs on that day. But at the bar I can suck the hell out of a pack of smokes. To abuse it would have to effect my life in an socially unexceptable or finacially. I have taken the alcoholic test Given by the CDC and was determine not to have a drinking problem. Smoke one hit of a joint now you got a drug problem. If you get caught it is illegal.
Smoke one joint a week you have a serious drug problem.
Smoke a joint every day all day long you are addicted.
Does it effect your life you have to dcecide that but if you get caught it is a problem.
When I took the alcoholic test at the cdc I answered the following question
1. Has drinking every caused a problem in your life
I answered
"yes"
1a. If you answer yes please explain
I answered
" I would not be sitting here taking this damn test"
That answer along with the rest of the test admitting to my drinking habits I was determined not to have a drinking problem by the CDC.
Why did I have to take the test?
Cause I tested 1.0 Blood Alcohol in 1985.
Did I learn anything, Yes I did, Do Not Drive After drinking
Posted by Spidey on Mar. 23 2004,9:11 pm
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| Did I learn anything, Yes I did, Do Not Drive After drinking |
I wish everyone would learn that lesson. Unfortunatly they don't and innocent lives are lost because of it. My family lost a very good friend, a 16 year old boy with his entire life ahead of him, to a driver that downed a ton of vodka before getting behind the wheel because he was depressed.
I say ... drink til your hearts content ... but then call a cab, a friend, an enemy, anyone that will drop you off at your house.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 23 2004,9:32 pm
Smoke one hit of a joint now you got a drug problem. ---->BS...it's you that has a problem son.If you get caught it is illegal.---->BS...Cannabis is decriminalized in MN.
Smoke one joint a week you have a serious drug problem.---->LOL
I see! You drink everyday and that is NOT a problem, one joint a week is! LOL I SWEAR Geo, your brain is plain out and out shot. Probably the booze. It causes brain damage over time.Smoke a joint every day all day long you are addicted.---->BS... again you display your ignorance.
Does it effect your life you have to dcecide that but if you get caught it is a problem.---> I see! So it MAY NOT affect your life. But it is it's legal stataus that's really the true problem. ---->That's because of reject rednecks like you knucklehead!
I see, so it's not a moral issue for you then, it's a legal one..right?
OK then, if this were the 1930's and prohibition was in effect, then you'd support a ten year term for alcohol dealers, right?
LOL
Everytime you post you make an arse of yourself and it's just sad....really... I mean your boy stops in to say hello and because his dad is such a knucklehead he's all but ignored, even though he's a returning soldier. That should tell you something Geo. You're not very well liked.
Posted by minnow fan on Mar. 23 2004,9:50 pm
| Quote (GEOKARJO @ Mar. 23 2004,8:08:pm) |
| I have taken the alcoholic test Given by the CDC and was determine not to have a drinking problem. |
So GEO, why do you believe the gov't when they tell you that you don't have a drinking problem but you don't believe them when they tell you second hand smoke is dangerous?
Then, you believe the gov't when they tell you that smoking cannabis is a terrible thing that we should incarciate 20 year olds for 1/7 of their life.
So, when the gov't tells you, you can not smoke in Eddie's anymore due to health dangers and the rights of non-smokers, will you believe they are right?
Don't bother to type it, I already know your answer.
I guess it is good you don't believe everything you are told GEO, too bad much of what you choose to believe is more wrong then right.
Posted by Mamma on Mar. 23 2004,9:52 pm
I am just wishing that Ron G. messes up again....and SOON. That will give you boys something to do besides pick on each other. You all need to be picked up by the scruff of the neck and shaken. Good grief...move on. We all know that Minnow is never going to agree that drugs are a problem . We also all know that George is against drugs and likes to smoke cigarettes. Big deal. He's not the only person smoking either. If minnow wants to smoke himself blue in his own living room, then good for him. Just don't go out on the street and sell that crap to kids.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 26 2004,8:13 pm
I have a quick question. What do you mena that Cannabis is decriminalized in MN.?
Posted by MrTarzan on Mar. 26 2004,9:02 pm
Good question Truth, I am wondering about that myself. minnow, you say that all the time, what is the statute that it is listed under? I mean if it is decriminalized now, I know some people that would be happy to hear that!
Posted by minnow on Mar. 26 2004,9:36 pm
"We all know that Minnow is never going to agree that drugs are a problem"1. We don't speak for everyone now, do we? We speak for ourselves, but like pray animals, we want to appear bigger than we are....LOL
2. I'm not even going to agree cannabis is a "drug" as we know it. It is in a class all it's own and can't be put in some narcotics class of drugs which it is clearly different. Cannabis is a herb, much like the coffee bean. Today's fast food is more of a drug than cannabis. Our processed foods will kill many children later in life from obesity related problems. We've processed foods into quasi drugs. Deer even freak out on it.
You probably recall the past, like hippies and stuff. I'm guessing those are the visions entering your primitive brain when you think of cannabis.
You know, in Europe they have beer machines like we have pop machines and kids drink alcohol, yet are rarely drunks. Here we are criminals if we allow kids to have a drink.
Who's to say you're right and they're wrong. Like some small town midwestern hicks are more in the know than people in Europe.
Posted by hoosier on Mar. 27 2004,12:59 am
I think what Minnow means is that its a misdameaner for anything under one ounce i believe. You get a ticket and pay a fine, anything above that is felony possesion. Not sure, but I believe that is what Minnow meant and that this is how it works.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 27 2004,2:26 am
Wrong, it's not even that serious! It's lower than a misdemeanor... It's lower than a traffic ticket. Matter fact it's so low, the lowest on the law totem pole...for anything under 1.5 oz it's against the law to arrest the person. That means impossible to get jail. All it can be is a UP to a $200 fine. That must really bother redneck retreads like Geo...LOL :laughDo you know what that means? I'm so rich, I can blow up anywhere and the absolute worst thing that can happen is I'll pay UP to a $200 fine...LOL
Fools...
Posted by Mamma on Mar. 27 2004,7:46 am
Now I am really confused. Minnow has been saying how these pot smokers get 10 years...and now it isn't anything. I guess it must be the ones who are selling it that are getting the time and maybe they already have a criminal record? I guess I thought the big "war on drugs" thing had more to do with the people who are selling and people making meth. They don't come knocking on the door of the ordinary citizen smoking a joint in the living room do they? Just need somebody to clear this up for me so I can understand how it works.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 27 2004,9:16 am
Why are you always confused?1. The laws vary greatly from place to place, from state to state, from prosecutor from prosecutor. This is just another reason why prohibition is wong.
In Iowa possession of any amount is a misdemeanor, but selling a joint within "so many" feet of a school or playground is punishable by a 20 year minimum mandatory sentence.
In MN, Possession of under a 1.5 oz. is decriminilized, yet anything over that is a felony.
The laws in this regard are blantantly unfair and punitive. The reason for mandatory minimums were originally intended to standardize punishment but it has done anything but.
One day cannabis will be legal. Of course when that happens, we will do nothing to compensate people who spent years in prison over nothing. Prohibition is immoral and evil and the people calling for jail terms should be jailed themselves, then executed.
Posted by Liberal on Mar. 27 2004,9:28 am
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Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character. Margaret Chase Smith |
Posted by minnow on Mar. 27 2004,9:47 am
You got it Lib. I stand up for what is morally right and I'm a druggie. I read through Colin Powells and Bush's WMD BS and I'm a traitor. I'm unpatriotic because I won't follow the herd of cattle off the cliff.
Don't ever kid yourself, there are many here who'd love to see da Minner in jail because his mind is too free, too independent. He's dangerous because he's right.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 27 2004,10:12 am
Complete fish kill my arse they missed minnow.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 27 2004,10:37 am
All right.Even though Minnow was gassed when he rambled on about ganja again, he was correct about some things.
First offense, Possession or sale of a small amount of MJ (less than 42.5grams) is a petty misdemeanor. However, by statute a person convicted of possession of a small amount must participate in a drug education progam unless the court finds that program to be inappropriate for the offender.
All other offenses involving MJ are either a misdemeanor or felony.
The rest of minnow's word's are very suspect. I know fast food is not healthy, but, I don't ever recall getting stupified on a quarterpound bacon cheese burger and fries. I like milk shakes too but, there also, I could still function quite well after having one.
Minnow, remember, marijuana doesn't make you smarter or more interesting; it only makes you think you are. To the sober person you're funny but, that fades and then you're just annoying. That's the point you have reached.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 27 2004,11:04 am
Huh?"Minnow, remember, marijuana doesn't make you smarter or more interesting;---->How in the world would you know what cannabis does or doesn't do? Are you implying that I post while high on cannabis or something? How in the world could you possibly know that?! I've never posted here stoned...LOL I have OCD, and only use VERY sparingly as needed for medicinal puposes. "it only makes you think you are."---->No, it actually appears that it makes YOU think I am!
To the sober person you're funny but, that fades and then you're just annoying. ---->You create these little visions or fantasies in your head when you're on the net reading posts, then you not only convince yourself of them, but act on them as well. That's the definition of an insane person.
Posted by MrTarzan on Mar. 27 2004,4:28 pm
Man, I love it when you guys get together. It is funny stuff. Thanks for answering that for me with numbers. I agree with minnow about prohibition for cannabis not working. It should also be uniform across the country if the whole country is paying for a "war" on it.Don't confuse that with my saying that all drugs should be legal. I am only talking about marijuanna laws. I equate those to the 1930's prohibition laws on alcohol that did way more harm to the country than good.
I wish that people that I know that will always use pot and refuse to stop because they believe civil disobedience about this subject is required, could buy it from a safe place that is not controlled by criminals, where the money would go to the state in the form of tax, instead of maybe into the hands of people that truly might be killers, terrorists or whatever. It is the laws that are making criminals rich and sapping our limited resources and creating a huge blackmarket. The whole thing is insane in my opinion.
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 27 2004,7:12 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Mar. 27 2004,2:26:am) |
| for anything under 1.5 oz it's against the law to arrest the person. That means impossible to get jail. |
You seriously think that as long as someone doesn't end up in jail that what they did was legal? If I do 90 mph on the freeway its legal because I'll just get a fine, maybe a summons, but as long as I don't go to jail its supposedly legal?
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| One day cannibus will be legal. |
What do you mean "one day", you just said anything under 1.5 ounces is less than a felony, and that makes it "decriminalized" somehow. So which is it minnow, decriminalized if not a felony, illegal but will be legal "one day"?
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| I'm unpatriotic because I won't follow the herd of cattle off the cliff. |
No, you're unpatriotic because you keep whining about how things are better in Europe, and refer to most Americans as white trash rednecks. If you really think the grass (no pun intended) is greener on the other side of the fence, move to Europe.
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| Don't ever kid yourself, there are many here who'd love to see da minner in jail because his mind is too free |
I'm glad your mind is free, but I think thats all its worth anyway.
Posted by hoosier on Mar. 29 2004,8:58 am
Just let me reply to this unpatriotic thing. The United States Government is one of the most corrupt in the whole world. We now have more people behind bars than any other nation on the planet. Our government, with their killing of woman and children all over the globe in the name of "Freedom" has brought us the rath of people that want us dead. But just like some people in here, the terrorist confuses the U.S. and its people. I have to agree with most in Europe, our government is no longer the nice guy on the block, we are an arrogant bully. But! I love this country, I love the people, I love this land. Its the best nation on earth, but not because of what some politician does or doesnt do, its because of the people.
I hate our government, I only wish 9/11 would have targeted our politicians instead of innocent people. Yes, I am saying that we have people in our government today that I think terrorists have every right to want dead. But dont confuse the government with the people, is all I am saying.
And to tell someone that they arent as patriotic as you, that if they dont like it, they can leave. Thats playground material, children say that, or people in Albert Lea that dont like what you have to say. How about trying to understand that some people love this place so much that they are unwilling to stand by and watch it go to hell. You may not agree with what they believe in, but dont assume they dont care, or are unpatriotic because they dont like the way things are done.
Sorry for the rant, just sick of this unpatriotic bull $hit going around.
Posted by Frustrated on Mar. 29 2004,9:56 am
Geo - You remind me of my Father - totally unreasonably redneck against pot. He would have absolutely lost it if I'd been caught - might have thrown me out of the house even. He must have bought into the propaganda the government was putting out in the 60's and early 70's. Remember the films with blury pictures and kids running into traffic or jumping out of windows? The stuff the rest of us were too smart to believe.Anyway, my Dad died in his 40's from too much smoking and drinking.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 29 2004,11:31 am
BS...you're lying because smoking and drinking aren't drugs.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 29 2004,12:37 pm
It is against the law, make it legal and I will probly sit down and light up a joint with you. No one is in jail for smoking it, only growing and selling most are second offenders. I don't agree with the law that says I can only have one wife but if I do they would put me in jail for that. Both crimes harm no one.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 29 2004,12:50 pm
Another classic myth, " No one is in jail for smoking it, only growing and selling most are second offenders."Arrest Reports
It is with great amazement and bewilderment that 'anti-drug' bureaucrats and so-called 'anti-drug' groups insist on spreading the 'Big Lie' that "no one in the U.S. is arrested on marijuana charges."
This is a patently absurd statement in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Do you think that the 12 million citizens who have been arrested on marijuana charges in the U.S. since 1965 believe otherwise?
War Against Marijuana Consumers
Our country's war on drugs places great emphasis on arresting people for smoking marijuana. Since 1990, nearly 5.9 million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges, a greater number than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming combined. In 2000, state and local law enforcement arrested 734,498 people for marijuana violations. This is an increase of 800 percent since 1980, and is the highest ever recorded by the FBI.
As has been the case throughout the 1990s, the overwhelming majority of those charged with marijuana violations in 2000-- 646,042 Americans (88 %) -- were for simple possession. The remaining 12% (88,456 Americans) were for "sale/manufacture", an FBI category which includes marijuana grown for personal use or purely medical purposes. These new FBI statistics indicate that one marijuana smoker is arrested every 45 seconds in America. Taken together, the total number of marijuana arrests for 2000 far exceeded the combined number of arrests for violent crimes, including murder, manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
Like most Americans, people who smoke marijuana also pay taxes, love and support their families, and work hard to make a better life for their children. Suddenly they are arrested, jailed and treated like criminals solely because of their recreational drug of choice. State agencies frequently step in and declare children of marijuana smokers to be "in danger", and many children are placed into foster homes as a result. This causes enormous pain, suffering and financial hardship for millions of American families. It also engenders distrust and disrespect for the law and for the criminal justice system overall. Responsible marijuana smokers present no threat or danger to America or its children, and there is no reason to treat them as criminals, or to take their children away. As a society we need to find ways to discourage personal conduct of all kinds that is abusive or harmful to others. Responsible marijuana smokers are not the problem and it is time to stop arresting them
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 29 2004,1:07 pm
And everyone in prison is innocent
Posted by Frustrated on Mar. 29 2004,1:22 pm
So, Geo, do you obey all the laws or only the ones you deem worthy?
Posted by minnow on Mar. 29 2004,1:22 pm
If alcohol and/or cigarettes were made illegal tomorrow, would you support 20 year mandatory minimum terms for dealers?
Posted by Frustrated on Mar. 29 2004,1:27 pm
Perhaps there should be 20 year min sentence for bar owners that serve liquor to minors - regardless of the circumstances, no whining. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? Shouldn't have owned the damn bar in the first place. Stigabieste
Posted by minnow on Mar. 29 2004,1:32 pm
Yes! I think you're onto something. I love to hate! 
I want to build prisons and jails and fill them with people that I hate. I LOVE to hate!
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 29 2004,2:53 pm
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| minnow Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: Aug. 2003 Posted: Sep. 12 2003,2:44:pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nope...he borrowed his friends gun..fired it 4 times into the back of Mammens skull and then returned it to his friend. When the police recovered it...it had been fired 4 times... I'd be interested to hear tell his fathers first hand account of his sons decent into drugs and murder. Eric Esse could a poster boy for how meth has affected the midwest rural areas. I'll offer $500 for the rights for the story, so I can make my own short film. I'll bring it all home for the world to see... |
See the damage drugs have done your your brain in just six short months all you understand is short bus logic now. Minnow my goodness seek help before it is too late.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 29 2004,3:16 pm
Ah yes...I understand your exquisite logic perfectly!Let's see if I can follow your thought process to its brilliant conclusion---->Cannabis = drugs----->meth = drugs------>meth = cannabis
I see.
I see more than you know...
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Mar. 29 2004,4:30 pm
lol!Hey Admin, start charging to read this forum, this kind of comedy has to be worth something!
Posted by minnow fan on Mar. 29 2004,4:37 pm
| Quote (minnow @ Mar. 29 2004,3:16:pm) |
| Cannabis = drugs----->meth = drugs------>meth = cannabis |
Funny because that is how GEO really does think.
Posted by hoosier on Mar. 30 2004,8:35 am
LOL, there is a far worse drug out there than pot, and we make it legal for our children to use it when they turn 18. Tobbaco. Lets take the legal, illegal aspect out of it for a while. You guys, or gals, that come home from work and have a drink, why do you do that? Think of all your answers.
Is it really that bad, or disturbing to you that others choose to relax and unwind with something besides booz?
It seems to boil down to whos drug is morally better. But lets not forget, booz as gone through the same thing pot is today. Legal, then illegal, it will be legal again, some day.
I am just saying that the people that I know that still smoke pot, do it and not booz, but mostly for the same reasons.
Lets not forget that its still illegal, not because of the harm, stack it up beside legal drugs and there is no comparison, but because the politicians are sucking up to the senior crowd. You know the crowd, sit in a bar all day drinking, smoking, then driving, but all the while bitchin about what other people do.
Lets hear stories about how a pot smoker has had a negative impact on your life?
Now lets hear stories about how a drinker, known or unknown to you, has impacted your life?
Nuf said!
Posted by minnow on Mar. 30 2004,10:22 am
Around here, with Harig and rednecks like geo, these people actually think they're in a majority. Maybe they are here...and even that's doubtful, but certainly not in 99% of the civilized world. The uninformed toothless, uneducated smokers and drinkers of bumfunk USA have a meth crises on there hands, yet call pot smokers monsters...It'd be funny if it were't so sad.