Topic: Do Gooders on the prowl
started by: GEOKARJO
Posted by GEOKARJO on Mar. 10 2004,7:37 pm
Last weekend there was an individual out here at the mall soliciting the signitures on a petition to put a "smoke free Freeborn county" on the November Ballot. I understand it takes 2000 signatures.
So I have to get working on the freedom to choose.
Do you understand that means public sidewalks, public parks, fishing on the lake, driving down the street in your car.
By the way he was overweight.
Posted by Ole1kanobe on Mar. 10 2004,7:56 pm
Death by Big Mac; sounds tasty if nothing else, lol!! 
Posted by minnow fan on Mar. 10 2004,8:50 pm
GEO, let me know if he shows up at the mall again, I'd love to sign his petition. And GEO, what's wrong with only being to smoke in your home? Cannabis smokers are not even allowed that luxury.
Posted by Spidey on Mar. 10 2004,9:02 pm
Geo, let me know when you need signatures.
Posted by rosebudinal on Mar. 11 2004,4:14 pm
We happened to run into the individual on our way to the show. Read what it was he was pushing and decided that business owners need to make their own decisions regarding this. He was polite when we didn't sign it and thanked us anyway.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 14 2004,9:09 am
I don't think anyone should be able to stop any other person from smoking in wide open public spaces. Hey Minnow-fart tobacco smoke is not a central nervous system depressant, that's the difference. However, should a private business owner decide to ban smoking in the establishment he/she ownes then that is their right as a property/business owner. You see the difference. With property ownership comes certain rights to control what is yours. It's not the government's job to regulate smoking in privately owned businesses. If you don't like smoke don't go to places that allow smoking. If enough peolple stop going to places that allow smoking the market will adjust. Freedom to choose is not limited to the ballot box.
God......is anyone here from America? Does anyone remember how this counrty is supposed to work? All I hear in this forum is the government this and the government that. The government should do this and that and blah blah blah. Do it yourself. Do gooders are a pain. Because it seems a majority of the time they want signatures to convince some branch of government (usually the legislature) to help them. Can you hear my tears hitting the floor. I don't like alcohol. I don't like smoke. Good for you, go to Mc. Donald's you will be safe there. Just don't order fries they're bad for you too. Damn people we can't rubber pad the entire planet. People get sick, people get hurt, people catch colds and diseases happen. People go through decades of school and learn nothing, then those people post on here and put their ignorance on display. Be strong people. Life is hard at times and the government cheese can't save you.
Posted by jimhanson on Mar. 14 2004,11:12 am
Truth--that's the best piece you've posted yet.| Quote |
| Do gooders are a pain. Because it seems a majority of the time they want signatures to convince some branch of government (usually the legislature) to help them. |
The best petition is conducted every two years. Promise to vote against anyone who promises "to do more". Remember, they are spending your money.
Posted by minnow on Mar. 14 2004,11:36 am
"Hey Minnow-fart tobacco smoke is not a central nervous system depressant, that's the difference"Huh?
Is that right? 
Oh I see...cannabis smoke is a central nervous system depressant then...right? I've heard it called a lot of things, but never that!
Care to provide any shred of evidence? I didn't think so...maybe you should rethink your name eh...think? LOL
Posted by MrTarzan on Mar. 14 2004,11:39 am
Yeah, I agree with you jimhanson, that is the best thing Truth has posted. I was beginning to think he was a big brother advocate, but it is obvious that I was wrong with this post. Truth, I apologize for the rush to judgement. However, I disagree that most of the people posting here want the governments help. Most seem to rebel against it more often then they approve of it. The difference is that it is selective. I find it interesting when they are against government interference when they find something interfering with what they love to do, but when it does not affect them directly they are indifferent or listen to the argument without much question. Generally speaking though, most here seem to be civil libertarians and want the government to get out of peoples business. It should stick to the essentials. The problem is the ever widening definition of essential service.
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 14 2004,12:05 pm
Yep, I'm also impressed by truth's opinion on this. Didn't expect us to agree on anything.| Quote (Truth @ Mar. 14 2004,9:09:am) |
| People go through decades of school and learn nothing, then those people post on here and put their ignorance on display. |
LOL, I wonder who he was refering to with this? My guess is truth is gonna keep taking these kind of cheap shots until minnow and I go to gramar class.
Posted by jimhanson on Mar. 14 2004,12:39 pm
Mr. Tarzan--I didn't mean to imply that most people that post HERE want the government's help--but that People (the general public) seem conditioned to seek the government's help--including such trivial things as a dog dispute. It USED to be that if your neighbor's dog got in your flower bed, you talked to your neighbor about it directly--now, as any small-town elected official will attest, people call someone in government to come over and take care of the problem.| Quote |
| most here seem to be civil libertarians and want the government to get out of peoples business. |
Perhaps the reason people on Forums such as this are more Libertarian than the general populace is that it takes a certain amount of GUTS to formulate and post an opinion--even if done anonymously.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 14 2004,8:36 pm
The term "marijuana" refers to the dried material (leaves, stems, seeds) of the hemp plant, Cannabis sativa; this is the form used most commonly in the United States. The term "hashish" refers to dried resin made from hemp flowers. "Hash oil" is a liquid extracted from the plant material, and this form is the most potent. The active ingredient in all forms of marijuana is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) (Adams, 1942). The most common route of administration for marijuana is smoking, either as a rolled cigarette ("joint" or "blunt") or through a pipe ("bhong"). It can be taken orally, which results in a slower onset but longer duration of action. It is rarely used intravenously due to the risk of complications from injection of undissolved plant material. THC and other cannabinoids are rapidly absorbed from the lungs and bind to endogenous cannabinoid receptors in the central nervous system. This binding is responsible for the psychoactive properties that users seek (Weaver, 2003). Two endogenous cannabinoid receptors have been identified in the central nervous system (Onaivi, et al, 1996) (Stella, N., et al, 1997). Cannabis is a Central Nervous System depressant obtained from the plant Cannabis sativa, which grows in many parts of the world. It is available for use as a drug in three main forms: as the dried leaves and buds, known as grass or marijuana, as a solid resin (hashish or hash) which is collected from the buds and flower heads, and also as a thick liquid prepared from the flowers or resin (hash oil).
The effects of cannabis depend upon the amount used, its potency, the circumstances and the expectations/mood of the user. The most common (and desired) effects are talkativeness, cheerfulness, relaxation and greater appreciation of sound and colour. Cannabis users frequently report perceiving an enhanced performance for tasks involving creativity (art, music etc.), although no scientific evidence indicates that the drug improves hearing, eyesight or skin sensitivity. Many users also experience a compulsion for binge eating (known as the 'munchies').
Some immediate physical effects of cannabis use include a faster heartbeat and pulse rate, bloodshot eyes, and a dry mouth and throat. Studies of cannabis's mental effects show that the drug can impair or reduce short-term memory, alter sense of time and reduce the ability to do things which require concentration, quick reactions and/or effective co-ordination.
A common bad reaction to marijuana is an acute anxiety attack. People describe this reaction as an extreme fear of "losing control," which causes panic. The symptoms usually disappear in a few hours.
High doses of cannabis can cause hallucinations and sensory distortions which can be very scary. Those who use the drug when anxious or depressed may find these conditions made worse. Panic and paranoia could then result.
Tests have clearly proved that, while under the influence of cannabis, users cannot perform tasks involving concentration and manual dexterity - such as driving a car - as well as normal.
(recovery.org.uk, 2004)
Cannabis
Type of drug: Central nervous system depressant, hallucinogen, anti-emetic.
Other names: Marijuana, grass, pot, dope, reefers, weed, skunk, skunkweed.
Legal Cat: B; (Modern Health Systems 2002)
There you go. If you need more let me know.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 14 2004,8:39 pm
Oh, Irish....the truth is not cheap. Thus I take no "cheap shots."
Posted by minnow on Mar. 14 2004,8:53 pm
What you posted is simply one repost of a previous (circa 1970) regurgitation of ancient knowledge. We know so much more now. Cannabis (THC) is an hallucinogen. General anesthetics, opiates and alcohol are central nervous system depressants.Please spare your ancient reposts of out of date knowledge and do some real studying. Anyone can copy and paste crap...
And that's exactly what that was.
Pure unaldultered BS. UK org? huh? You call yourself Truth, then proceed to post flat out untruths. Yes, I'd like you to provide further evidence...AND the source. Thanks...
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 14 2004,8:57 pm
Another example of that wonderful logic you keep talking about, truth. I think it takes more than confusing "your & you're" or "there, they're, and their" to label someone as stupid.I don't know if the truth is cheap, but I've noticed he seems to be a narcissist. Oh, were we talking about the word truth, or the forum user?
Posted by Truth on Mar. 14 2004,10:14 pm
Truth is free. Look for it.Minnow mJ only makes you think you're smarter your crap makes me think you're not. Sorry were the summary statements from the 2002 and 2004 studies too old. What year do you currently perceive you live in?
You asked for proof. Quoting studies shows proof of actual research, not wacked out propoganda from your High Times magazine. I provided results from research. So step on up, show me some proof that THC is good for you. While you're at it, show me proof that the other 400 plus chemicals in marijuana smoke are good for you too. I'll be waiting with bells on.
Posted by Truth on Mar. 14 2004,10:19 pm
NPD is just a bit different than trying to point out foolishness. If you are right I'll say so if you're not I'll say so. Try me, say something right IRISH.I'm not wrong just because I won't bend to the liberal BS line and I actually push for a basic standard.