Topic: Bernie Sanders
started by: irisheyes
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 29 2015,11:22 am
Hillary might be getting some competition in her run for the nomination, there's a lot of talk that Bernie Sanders will officially announce he's running for President tomorrow.< VPR: Bernie Sanders to Announce >
Ted Cruz and Rand Paul on one side, Hillary and Bernie Sanders on the other. Now it's a real party.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2015,12:14 pm
At least he's truthfull, unlike stroke lady😳< http://www.progressivestoday.com/dem-sen...1-video >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 29 2015,7:38 pm
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Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 29 2015,9:34 pm
Best running back the Detroit Lions ever had.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,3:28 am
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Best running back the Detroit Lions ever had.
That was good
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2015,5:38 am
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2015,5:49 am
from Yahoo.comwww.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-obama-sounds-like-bush-and-clinton-117717922196.html
Bernie Sanders:
Obama sounds like Bush and Clinton on trade
April 29, 2015
by Olivier Knox
"Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., all but confirmed in an exclusive interview on Wednesday that he will announce tomorrow that he plans to enter the 2016 presidential race. Sanders also accused President Barack Obama of having embraced the same “disastrous and unfair” free-trade agenda championed by George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
Sanders, once a self-described socialist, served as mayor of Burlington, Vermont’s largest city, before heading to the House of Representatives and then on to the Senate. He is expected to announce Thursday that he will run as a Democrat, directly challenging Hillary Clinton from her left flank. While the 73-year-old would be a long shot, Sanders could essentially play the role that liberals had hoped Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., would play before she ruled out a run for the White House: critic of a system they see as rigged for the wealthy and large corporations.
Sanders of late has led the charge against Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free-trade talks with Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and a host of other countries.
“The function of these trade agreements is to force American workers to compete against desperate people in low-income nations,” he said. “For corporate America, it’s a great idea: You can continue to shut down plants in America, move to Vietnam, hire hard-working people there at 56 cents an hour.”
Sanders hit back at Obama, who recently accused critics of TPP of being “dishonest” about the negotiations.
“I agree with President Obama on a number of issues, but on trade he is dead wrong,” Sanders said. “He is following in the footsteps of George W. Bush; he’s following in the footsteps of Bill Clinton, of Bush I, of Ronald Reagan.
“All these presidents have told us how great these trade agreements would be … how many jobs NAFTA would create, and how many jobs permanent normal trade relations with China would create,” Sanders said, citing two trade accords ratified under Clinton. “Well, you know what? Didn’t quite turn out that way. What in fact turned out is that we lost millions of decent-paying jobs.”
Asked how businesses in Vermont would get their products to overseas consumers, Sanders declared, “I’m not for building a wall around America...
“But trade has got to work for the workers who are involved; it cannot only lead to large corporate profits.”
And “what we have right now is a disastrous and unfair trade policy, which primarily benefits the wealthiest and large corporations,” he said.
“What our goal has got to be, among other things, is to create not free trade but fair trade,” Sanders said.
Turning to the unrest in Baltimore, the senator backed requiring body cameras for police but said that a long-term strategy is needed to revitalize poor communities suffering from high unemployment and poor schools and infrastructure.
“We have seen, for many, many years now, people — often African-Americans — in police custody not coming out of that custody alive. And that’s what happened to Freddie Gray,” he said, referring to the 25-year-old black man who died of a spinal injury on April 19 while held by the police.
“I think there is growing consciousness about how police treat people who are held in custody,” Sanders said.
“You need a short-term strategy in which police are held accountable for their own safety and for their own well-being,” Sanders. “There are a lot of police officers — and I speak as a former mayor — who do a very good job under very difficult circumstances. Anyone who thinks it’s easy to be a cop is sorely mistaken. So I think the idea of cameras makes a lot of sense.
“But second of all, you can have every police officer in America [be] a Harvard Law School constitutional scholar, and you will still have problems,” the lawmaker added. “Because when you’re looking at unemployment rates that are off the charts and people have no hope, no opportunity, they are going to lash out, most likely.”
Sanders called for “a massive jobs program” and noted that he has called for spending $1 trillion over five years to boost employment, notably through infrastructure improvements.
“We can put a whole lot of people back to work,” he said.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,5:56 am
I think Bernie's number's are a little short on that last question,Isn't that supposed to be 2.5 billion?
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 30 2015,9:33 am
I kinda like Bernie, but him deriding Super PACS is kinda hypocritical since he's going to be running under the DFL ticket, and undoubtedly will be getting super PAC funds...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,10:45 am
^^Expat doesn't care, the means will justify the end😲
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 30 2015,11:03 am
I don't disagree with what Bernie is saying though. I've said for a long time I don't think business or other entities should be allowed to contribute to political campaigns. Only individuals, with a maximum contribution amount.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 30 2015,11:13 am
(Glad I Left @ Apr. 30 2015,9:33 am)
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I kinda like Bernie, but him deriding Super PACS is kinda hypocritical since he's going to be running under the DFL ticket,
DFL? I thought he was a self described socialist?
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 30 2015,1:36 pm
He might be, but I read he was going to run as a dem.. maybe not?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,2:22 pm
(MADDOG @ Apr. 30 2015,11:13 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Apr. 30 2015,9:33 am)
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I kinda like Bernie, but him deriding Super PACS is kinda hypocritical since he's going to be running under the DFL ticket,
DFL? I thought he was a self described socialist?
Dems are socialists, damn it Dog! Pay attention.😁
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 30 2015,7:40 pm
You do realize bernie is a POS socialist, dontcha?God I hate socialists.
Posted by Expatriate on May 01 2015,6:12 am
The word Socialist can be as varied as the word Capitalist, Sanders isn’t calling for State controlled/owned factories, farms, resources, in more advanced forms of socialism, ownership is transferred to the worker the same as capitalism's (ESOP) employee owned business! Sanders doesn’t want the government to run the entire economy, but he does want the government to ensure that the people get a fair shake, valuable programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, unemployment insurance etc. protect our population.
The words Communist, Capitalist, are just catch words they use to get US to march to war and kill each other for their profit or Empire building!
Posted by Expatriate on May 01 2015,6:28 am
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 01 2015,6:54 am
Are you so sure this shtbg isn't about the govt and state run everything? listening to this POS over the years seems to indicate that. POS like BS seem to think they can create equal outcomes all because equal opportunities just isn't fair. All of this "fair shake" is at the expense of someone else. The problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of someone elses money and strives to make everyone equally miserable.
Social justice warrior shtbgs like bernie just need to go lie down by their dish and die.
Posted by Expatriate on May 01 2015,6:54 am
I’d rather have someone who represents the people, democracy is Government by ballot box not by pocketbooks! Posted by Self-Banished on May 01 2015,7:08 am
Thankyou no to socialism, it's totally unamerican and would kill what's left of our country.
Posted by Expatriate on May 01 2015,7:22 am
(Self-Banished @ May 01 2015,7:08 am)
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Thankyou no to socialism, it's totally unamerican and would kill what's left of our country.
What's killing this Country is the status quo ! We need a drastic change, we need a Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, JFK all rolled into one, someone who has the resolution to bring back Democracy and replace Plutocracy rule! So far Sander's is that man, Warren might be better, but she's not running!
Prediction: Sanders will never make it, we'll continue our downward spiral! But his limelight may draw attention to some important issues! Bernie is 73 he'd be 78 after his first term, we've seen President's slide into dementia before, i.e. Reagan.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 01 2015,7:34 am
Seriously fdr? That POS made the depression last longer, that idiot and his policies did far more damage to the US economy than just letting it ride out. fdr was also a POS shtbg socialist.I will say one thing; the US has definitely slid into the Oligarchy realm.
We don't need democracy we need to bring it back to a Constitutional Republic.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 01 2015,9:00 am
^^
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Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2015,8:15 am
^^Do you have to pay royalties to Livingston?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2015,10:12 am
^^Pardon me, Harmon.
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,11:01 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2015,11:10 am
^^Maybe if you weren't Union you would be so poor...and stupid.
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,6:49 pm
^^^^^
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,6:53 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,12:39 am
^^ Maybe because we've saturated the work force with immigrants Maybe because our workforce is filled with undereducated morons(no offense😳) who where taught by unions idiots with no sense of responsibility.
Maybe because we've raised a generation (or more in your case) that are fat, stupid and lazy (feel free to take offense💩) that expect everything immediately in life.
And just maybe we've overregulated our businesses to the point of extinction and other countries are eating our lunch.
Just maybe...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,12:48 am
Maybe this
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,12:49 am
^I know, kinda makes you dizzy doesn't it?
Posted by alcitizens on May 05 2015,2:04 am
(Self-Banished @ May 05 2015,12:48 am)
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Maybe this
National Debt
America has massively more assets than debt.
And if you think that total debt of 350% of GDP sounds like a lot, then 550% net worth to GDP should be really comforting.
Another myth is that America is massively in hock to foreigners.
But actually, foreign holdings of credit market debt is less than 20% of of the total outstanding.
Read more: < http://www.businessinsider.com/america...FG1Nkj6 >
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,2:21 am
Reminds me of my ex wife's credit card habit, some day, the chickens come home to roost. < http://www.forbes.com/sites...-s-debt >
We may not worry about it today but someday
Posted by Expatriate on May 05 2015,6:13 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,6:07 pm
^^so billionaires get more votes than I do? 
You're really batting a thousand today, aren't you?
Posted by Expatriate on May 05 2015,8:38 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 06 2015,4:28 am
And the supposed dem candidate has already accepted money from Quatar, Saudi, United Arab, etc etcWhat a hypocrite.
Posted by Expatriate on May 06 2015,6:20 am
^^looking at Open Secrets (they track campaign contributions) I don’t see anything you’re claiming.< https://www.opensecrets.org/politic...le=2014 >
Dumbo, you'll have to change your username from SB to BS!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 06 2015,8:26 am
Well that took all of 15 sec. She's transparent alright < http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6904590 >
Posted by Expatriate on May 06 2015,9:16 am
More deception from BS, why are posting about Hillary in the Bernie Sanders thread!
Posted by MADDOG on May 06 2015,10:43 am
(Expatriate @ May 06 2015,9:16 am)
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More deception from BS, why are posting about Hillary in the Bernie Sanders thread!I did too. I noticed both of them.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 06 2015,10:49 am
Sanders is a non factor, all he's going to do is draw stroke lady more left.As far as posting stroke lady stuff on this thread?
Pffft, who the hell cares?
Posted by Expatriate on May 06 2015,10:56 am
back to Bernie.
Posted by Expatriate on May 06 2015,4:53 pm
Wednesday, May 6, 2015 Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday introduced legislation to break up the nation’s biggest banks in order to safeguard the economy and prevent another costly taxpayer bailout. Rep. Brad Sherman proposed a companion bill in the House.
“No single financial institution should have holdings so extensive that its failure could send the world economy into crisis,” Sanders said. “If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.”
The biggest banks in the United States are now 80 percent bigger than they were one year before the financial crisis in 2008 when the Federal Reserve provided $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans and Congress approved a $700 billion taxpayer bailout.
“Never again should a financial institution be able to demand a federal bailout,” Sherman said. “They claim; ‘If we go down, the economy is going down with us,’ but by breaking up these institutions long before they face a crisis, we ensure a healthy financial system where medium-sized institutions can compete in the free market.”
The 2008 financial crisis had a devastating impact on the U.S. economy. It cost as much as $14 trillion, the Dallas Federal Reserve calculated. The Government Accountability Office pegged the cost at $13 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the crisis nearly doubled the national debt and cost more than the Bush tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
The six largest U.S. financial institutions today have assets of some $10 trillion, an amount equal to almost 60 percent of gross domestic product. They handle more than two-thirds of all credit card purchases, control nearly 50 percent of all bank deposits, and control over 95 percent of the $240 trillion in derivatives held by commercial banks.
The Sanders and Sherman legislation would give banking regulators 90 days to identify commercial banks, investment banks, hedge funds, insurance companies and other entities whose “failure would have a catastrophic effect on the stability of either the financial system or the United States economy without substantial government assistance.”
The list would have to include Bank of America, Bank of New York Mellon, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, State Street and Wells Fargo. These eight institutions already have been deemed “systemically important banks” by the Financial Stability Board, the international body which monitors the global financial system. Under the legislation, the U.S. Treasury Department would be required to break up those and any other institutions deemed too big to fail by the treasury secretary. Any entity on the too-big-to-fail list would no longer be eligible for a taxpayer bailout from the Federal Reserve and could not use their customers’ bank deposits to speculate on derivatives or other risky financial activities.
To read the bill and a summary click .< here >
Posted by Expatriate on May 07 2015,7:26 am
Posted by grassman on May 07 2015,7:55 am
Wells Fargo Bankers Accused of Fraudulent Behavior, Taking Advantage of CustomersMay 5, 2015, 3:02 PM ET
By SUSANNA KIM
Wells Fargo has "victimized" its California customers with illegal bank tactics such as having accounts opened in their names without their permission so employees can reach sales quotas, according to a lawsuit filed by the Los Angeles city attorney.
Wells Fargo bankers were allegedly encouraged to "do whatever it takes" to meet sales goals, including withdrawing money from customers' unauthorized accounts to pay Wells Fargo fees and placing customers into collections when the unauthorized withdrawals go unpaid, city attorney Michael Feuer alleges in the lawsuit filed on Monday on behalf of the people of California.
Filed on behalf of the state of California in Los Angeles County Superior Court, the lawsuit claims some Wells Fargo employees even pressure their own family members and friends to sign up for accounts to the point that employees say they've "tapped out" their network.
"Our average retail banking household has about six products with us. We want to get to eight ... and beyond," stated one Wells Fargo "brochure" called "The Vision and Values of Wells Fargo," according to the lawsuit.
Wells Fargo has 6,200 banking locations in 39 states and the District of Columbia. The lawsuit doesn't name customers or allege how many people may have been affected by the alleged practices.
"In order to achieve its goal of selling a high number of 'solutions' to each customer, Wells Fargo imposes unrealistic sales quotas on its [California] employees, and has adopted policies that have, predictably and naturally, driven its bankers to engage in fraudulent behavior to meet those unreachable goals," Feuer alleges in the lawsuit.
Wells Fargo and Company, headquartered in San Francisco, said in a statement that it would "vigorously" defend itself against the allegations.
“Wells Fargo's culture is focused on the best interests of its customers and creating a supportive, caring and ethical environment for our team members,” the bank said in its statement. “This includes training, audits and processes that work together to support our Vision & Values and our commitment to customers receiving only the products and services they need and will benefit from.”
At a news conference today, Feuer encouraged Wells Fargo customers to take “basic steps” to check their accounts.
“We urge every Wells customer to review with care their banking accounts and records,” Feuer said. “See if there are any unauthorized checking and saving accounts in their name. Have accounts they closed remained opened?”
Frank Ahn, a small business owner who owns a convenience store and laundromat in the San Fernando Valley, told reporters at the news conference that he received a call about once a month for about three or four months from Wells Fargo employees asking him to open another account.
He declined, but later discovered when he was checking his account online that he was receiving $15 or $20 charges for accounts he didn’t authorize. He complained to the bank.
“They kept making promises and said, ‘We won’t charge you any fees. This is it.’ I thought it was the end of it, but it wasn’t. I wanted to trust them, but now I know I can’t,” Ahn said.
At one point, Ahn said, he had about 10 accounts despite only opening one.
“This kept going back and forth for two or three years,” he said, adding that he wanted to speak publicly so Wells Fargo can’t take advantage of people such as his parents, who spoke little English when they immigrated to the U.S.
Wells Fargo declined to comment about Ahn’s experience with the bank.
The suit claims Wells Fargo violated the state's unfair competition laws and could be liable for a civil penalty up to $2,500 for each violation, plus unspecified restitution for harmed customers. If the suit succeeds in Los Angeles County Superior Court, that could apply to all residents of the county and possibly people outside its boundaries, Feuer told the Los Angeles Times, which has reported on the alleged practices.
The lawsuit alleges Wells Fargo participated in illegal practices such as "bundling," which requires a person wanting one product to buy additional ones. It also alleges the bank engaged in "pinning," which allows a banker to create a debit card PIN number, often without customer authorization, to enroll a customer in online banking, as well as "sandbagging," in which a banker delays opening new accounts or processing a sale until a time that is most beneficial, such as a new sales reporting period.
Wells Fargo has fired or disciplined a "number of employees" for illegal practices, but "far fewer" than have actually engaged in them, the lawsuit alleges.
Posted by alcitizens on May 07 2015,8:58 am
My only concern's with Bernie is that he isn't conservative enough to draw Independent's.. And Jewish candidates have never done very well in a General Election.. He could even hurt Hillary as a Vice President selection..
My opinion..
Posted by Common Citizen on May 07 2015,9:33 am
He'll be as successful as Ralph Nader.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 07 2015,10:37 am
And Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2015,11:43 am
Seems to me stroke lady's doing a good job of demolishing herself.
Posted by Expatriate on May 07 2015,12:02 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2015,2:43 pm
I say we all go to the primaries and vote Bernie in😃
Posted by MADDOG on May 07 2015,3:20 pm
(Botto 82 @ May 07 2015,10:37 am)
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And Stroke Lady Hillary Mrs. Bill will demolish anyone the Republitards put on the ballot anyway.
Hope she picks a good running mate to take over after she's gone.
Posted by Expatriate on May 08 2015,11:46 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2015,4:28 pm
Maybe the ones at the lower end might actually start to pay SOME taxes
Posted by MADDOG on May 08 2015,4:49 pm
Hey, this is fun. 
Posted by grassman on May 08 2015,6:05 pm
See...you can teach an old dog new tricks!
Posted by Expatriate on May 08 2015,6:56 pm
Who Pays Taxes in America in 2014? Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
Posted by Expatriate on May 08 2015,6:59 pm
Who Pays Taxes in America in 2014?
Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
Posted by Expatriate on May 08 2015,7:29 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2015,1:55 am
^^the fattest poverty kids in the world
Posted by grassman on May 09 2015,6:43 am
(Self-Banished @ May 09 2015,1:55 am)
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^^the fattest poverty kids in the world
Moving to a Poor Neighborhood Can Cause Weight Gain
Where we live may influence how much we weigh even more than we once thought.
It's long been known that a person's neighborhood can impact how much they weigh; evidence suggests that socioeconomic environments influence a person's ability to adopt healthy behaviors. Now, a new study suggests that moving between neighborhoods can also cause changes in body weight.
The research, published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine, analyzed a sample of more than 1,000 Dallas County residents between the ages of 18 and 65 who researchers had followed for seven years. The study found that people who moved to more socioeconomically depressed neighborhoods gained weight.
To reach these findings, the residents were surveyed about their impressions of their neighborhoods. The neighborhoods were also rated based on a Neighborhood Deprivation Index (NDI) to determine socioeconomic status; a higher index indicates a more deprived neighborhood. Among the people in the study, 263 people moved to a neighborhood with a higher index, 586 moved to a lower-index neighborhood and 47 people moved to a neighborhood that had the same rating. Everyone else stayed in their same neighborhood.
The people who moved to the higher-index neighborhoods—the ones more deprived of resources—gained more weight compared to the people who moved to a neighborhood that had the same or lower index. For every 1-unit increase in the index, residents gained about 1.41 pounds. Of the people who moved to a more deprived neighborhood, the longer they stayed there, the larger the impact on their weight.
More research is needed before study authors can definitively explain the link, but they had a few speculations. The makeup of a more deprived neighborhood can encourage consumption of unhealthy foods or make it hard to stay fit, they say. Research has also linked changes in stress hormones to living in disadvantaged neighborhoods.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) says that living environments can encourage obesity and interfere with an unhealthy lifestyle; a lack of sidewalks and safe parks, a glut of fast-food restaurants with little access to fruits and vegetables, heavy food advertising and long work hours of residents all contribute. Prior research has shown that kids who live in places where they can walk to school or libraries were significantly less likely to be obese. And a 2011 study found that families who moved to less-impoverished neighborhoods had lower levels of obesity and diabetes compared to families who stayed in their original neighborhood.
The new study underlines the fact that living environments can have a great impact on body size and health. "Addressing neighborhood deprivation as a risk factor for obesity and obesity-related cardiovascular disease requires consideration of public policy that can address sources of deprivation," the study authors conclude.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2015,7:30 am
^^so you're saying or at least the article is saying we have fat poor people?
Posted by Common Citizen on May 09 2015,8:20 am
(Expatriate @ May 08 2015,6:56 pm)
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Who Pays Taxes in America in 2014?
Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
According to your post the top 1% pays the most.
Next.
Posted by Expatriate on May 10 2015,7:10 am
9:30 AM on CBS, 1 hr 2015Sen. Bernie Sanders (Ind.-Vt.) and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee discusses the 2016 race for the White House.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2015,7:45 am
^^oh God Two idiots that deserve each other, Sanders and Huckabee
Posted by Expatriate on May 10 2015,1:43 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 10 2015,2:00 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 09 2015,8:20 am)
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(Expatriate @ May 08 2015,6:56 pm)
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Who Pays Taxes in America in 2014?
Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
Citizens for Tax Justice
< http://ctj.org/ctjrepo...014.php >
According to your post the top 1% pays the most.
Next.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2015,2:08 pm
^^^of course you do,You're a socialist pig.
Posted by Expatriate on May 11 2015,6:24 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 11 2015,6:34 am
^^^for totally different reasons I agree
Posted by Expatriate on May 11 2015,5:42 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 11 2015,5:50 pm
^^I'm curious, just how do you think that'll happen?
Posted by Botto 82 on May 11 2015,5:54 pm
Tariffs on all imports would be a nice start.. 
Posted by Expatriate on May 11 2015,6:43 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 10 2015,2:08 pm)
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^^^of course you do,
You're a socialist pig.
You're a socialist pig.
I'm in good company
Posted by Self-Banished on May 12 2015,2:01 am
^^ah, he prolonged it.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 12 2015,2:11 am
(Botto 82 @ May 11 2015,5:54 pm)
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Tariffs on all imports would be a nice start..
Nasty little thing about that is that it's a two way street, we raise the tariff on products coming into this country, other countries raise the tariff on our products going into theirs. Other countries would be hurt by rising tariffs but there are other developing economies around the world.
We're the big boy on the block as far as consumers go but we're not the only game in town.
For us to rebuild our industrial might with present regulations would probably take decades.
Posted by Expatriate on May 12 2015,6:17 am
This is the mentality of those at the pull the strings on the republican party puppets!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 12 2015,6:38 am
^^good for him
Posted by Expatriate on May 12 2015,8:54 am
^You couldn't do a better job illuminating the differences in Republicans and Bernie Sanders if you tried.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 12 2015,9:04 am
Thankyou, but I'm not a republican
Posted by Expatriate on May 12 2015,11:35 am
Posted by Marneman on May 15 2015,2:05 am
I like Mr. Sanders he has a lot of good ideas. I might even cross over and vote for him if it came down to him versus some lame pick by the Republicans. But the party machine has their heart set on Mrs. Clinton so I don't know how much of a chance he has.
Posted by Expatriate on May 15 2015,6:26 am
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Posted by Expatriate on May 17 2015,7:33 am
Posted by Expatriate on May 17 2015,6:03 pm
War Pigs, Republican Chickenhawks 
Posted by MADDOG on May 18 2015,9:11 am
< Facebook job equality? >
Posted by Common Citizen on May 18 2015,3:29 pm
(Expatriate @ May 17 2015,6:03 pm)
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War Pigs, Republican Chickenhawks
That's funny. Your (D)onk friends voted for it and then ran at the first sign of trouble undermining the war for years along with the liberal media working as their accomplice while we had soldiers on the ground. Yet you have the stones to bitch about a letter sent to Iranian leaders. pfft...
If you want to discuss military blunders, take a look at what Obama did in Libya and is now losing everything gained in Iraq to the ISIS. pfft...
Posted by grassman on May 18 2015,4:38 pm
I really can't understand how a bunch of renegade commandos can stay operating for so long, if all of these countries involved, really want to take them out. Didn't they do Granada during lunch?
Posted by Expatriate on May 19 2015,6:45 am
(Common Citizen @ May 18 2015,3:29 pm)
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(Expatriate @ May 17 2015,6:03 pm)
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War Pigs, Republican Chickenhawks
That's funny. Your (D)onk friends voted for it and then ran at the first sign of trouble undermining the war for years along with the liberal media working as their accomplice while we had soldiers on the ground. Yet you have the stones to bitch about a letter sent to Iranian leaders. pfft...
If you want to discuss military blunders, take a look at what Obama did in Libya and is now losing everything gained in Iraq to the ISIS. pfft...
The ayatollah CC is at it again, jumping up and down yelling kill kill kill, how many of our young men and women are you prepare to sacrifice for your blood lust?
It’s now common knowledge we were lied to, led into war by a self proclaimed “War President” who was talking to God!
Iraq told US to withdraw our troops, Obama followed a plan Bush had put in play before he left office! Should we have left the Military in place against the wishes of the Iraqi Government ?
You continuously whine about taxes, your money stolen by our evil Government, well son, it takes a tremendous amount of money to field an army halfway around the world to fight a never ending war. A war over what? Religion? Nation building? Oil? We could have bought that oil cheaper than fielding an Army.
When Bremmer (under order) from Bush disband the Iraqi Military and police force against the advice of the Military Command on the ground and the CIA, it set the stage for civil insurgency, that accelerated into a religious war between Sunnis and Shias. We took out a secular Nation and replace it with religious crazies fighting for dominance, all in the name of freedom. At what cost to the American taxpayer!
No CC, everyone didn’t vote for this insanity, there were many who voted against the lies that led US to war, they should be our future leaders!
Bernie Sanders had the foresight to vote against this crazy waste of our blood and treasure, he should be our next President!
Posted by Expatriate on May 19 2015,7:02 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 19 2015,8:17 am
^^< http://www.forbes.com/sites...eriment >
Posted by Expatriate on May 19 2015,9:52 am
^^President Obama wants a $10.10 minimum wage, Bernie Sanders would go higher, but three top Republicans running for president would abolish the Federal Minimum Wage Law as undo regulation and take US right back to slavery!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 19 2015,1:34 pm
Yeah, right, FD( I screwed up the country royaly) RMinimum wage should be abolished and no, it won't plunge us into slavery. Just get rid of all the "extra help" we have from outside the country and we'll be fine.
Posted by Expatriate on May 19 2015,7:13 pm
^Better think that over again, when Mogadishu Bob and his brethren underbid you because they lives in their trucksyou’ll be without a customer, you’ll have to file bankruptcy again, and the only work you'rE qualified for is dishwasher!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 19 2015,7:34 pm
^^if that were to happen then it happens, do you think I'd whine about it? Very doubtful it would though, 99% are lazy as hell and think America owes them for just showing up.
I know! Maybe they'll start a union!
Here's some reading for you dumbass
< http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article..._graves >
Posted by alcitizens on May 19 2015,8:37 pm
Isn't it wonderful what a booming economy can do? Create a shortage of workers.. DOW sets record, 18,312..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 19 2015,8:48 pm
^^and the other one chimes in There's been a driver shortage since the late 80's
As far as the Dow goes?
< http://www.theguardian.com/comment...markets >
Posted by alcitizens on May 19 2015,9:10 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 19 2015,8:48 pm)
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^^and the other one chimes in
There's been a driver shortage since the late 80's
As far as the Dow goes?
< http://www.theguardian.com/comment...markets >
There's been a driver shortage since the late 80's
As far as the Dow goes?
< http://www.theguardian.com/comment...markets >
Because there is no shortage of Drivers..
Your hauling companies have been looking for suckers since the Reagan years to Drive for 20 cents a mile and pay their own violations and lodging..
Many times they're lucky to go home with a dime their pocket..
Its no secret SB..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,4:26 am
^^well, think want you want I suppose Every morning I see a couple of commercials for truck driving school begging for students. Companies are offering as much as 10K just for signing on. Even Wall Mart advertises there starting drivers average is 82k.
Posted by Expatriate on May 20 2015,7:16 am
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There's been a driver shortage since the late 80's
There’s a reason for those job openings, it’s a dogs life, they want those trucks on the road 24/7 365!
Average the hours spent waiting to load/unload and road time it’s minimum wage if you’re lucky.
But if you haven’t got the smarts to get a vocational education & professional license, college degree in a demand field like information computer science, etc. it’s a way to make a living, if you call living in a truck living.
Posted by Expatriate on May 20 2015,7:26 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,8:16 am
(Expatriate @ May 20 2015,7:16 am)
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There's been a driver shortage since the late 80's
There’s a reason for those job openings, it’s a dogs life, they want those trucks on the road 24/7 365!
Average the hours spent waiting to load/unload and road time it’s minimum wage if you’re lucky.
But if you haven’t got the smarts to get a vocational education & professional license, college degree in a demand field like information computer science, etc. it’s a way to make a living, if you call living in a truck living.
Wow, neither of my trucks have sleepers, kinda tough to live in😜 Please tell me more about how hard it is to make a living driving truck, I must be doing something wrong.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,8:18 am
(Expatriate @ May 20 2015,7:26 am)
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So if SS is not going broke why does BS want to life the cap to extend solvency
Posted by alcitizens on May 20 2015,8:20 am
Honestly, how did you do when you first started out?
Posted by Botto 82 on May 20 2015,8:21 am
(Expatriate @ May 20 2015,7:16 am)
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[...]if you call living in a truck living.
Two words: Truck stink. When you got it, you don't know you got it.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,8:53 am
^^yeah, I've seen depot offices tell long haulers to leave because they smell so bad.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,8:55 am
(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,8:20 am)
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Honestly, how did you do when you first started out?
Were you handed the keys to the kingdom when you first started out?
Posted by Expatriate on May 20 2015,11:59 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,12:14 pm
^^yep, and just watch how many businesses exit
Posted by Expatriate on May 20 2015,5:37 pm
Posted by alcitizens on May 20 2015,5:43 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 20 2015,8:55 am)
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(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,8:20 am)
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Honestly, how did you do when you first started out?
Were you handed the keys to the kingdom when you first started out?
Selling pop and popcorn in the Grandstand at the county fair when I was 9 and 10 for a little bit of change to go to the fair..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 20 2015,5:54 pm
(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,5:43 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ May 20 2015,8:55 am)
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(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,8:20 am)
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Honestly, how did you do when you first started out?
Were you handed the keys to the kingdom when you first started out?
Selling pop and popcorn in the Grandstand at the county fair when I was 9 and 10 for a little bit of change to go to the fair..
enterprising at a young age, that's how it's done
As far as trucking when I started out? It sucked but I did see a lot of the country
Posted by Expatriate on May 21 2015,6:00 am
Posted by Expatriate on May 21 2015,6:48 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 22 2015,6:24 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 22 2015,10:37 am
(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,5:43 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ May 20 2015,8:55 am)
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(alcitizens @ May 20 2015,8:20 am)
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Honestly, how did you do when you first started out?
Were you handed the keys to the kingdom when you first started out?
Selling pop and popcorn in the Grandstand at the county fair when I was 9 and 10 for a little bit of change to go to the fair..
Funny, you and this guy
Posted by Expatriate on May 22 2015,6:22 pm
Posted by irisheyes on May 23 2015,5:30 am
(Self-Banished @ May 22 2015,10:37 am)
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Funny, you and this guy
You posted a picture of Kofi Annan, did he previously sell pop and popcorn at a young age?
Posted by Expatriate on May 23 2015,6:01 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 23 2015,11:31 am
Unfortunately I don't think Bernie stands a chance. I really do like him though. He's definitely not the status-quo. Bernie:
QUOTE
Furthermore, if we live in a society which is based on simply purchasing, purchasing, purchasing, consumerism, consumerism, consumerism, more and more development, without understanding sustainability, we’ll have long-term problems.
Posted by Expatriate on May 23 2015,6:20 pm
^^Don't give up on Bernie, he may be a long now but he's gaining steam!
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,7:24 am
Unfortunately, he isn’t likely to win the party’s nomination, but his presence in the campaign field will shift the debate left on a number of issues, from the economy to the environment!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 24 2015,7:03 pm
(Expatriate @ May 24 2015,7:24 am)
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Unfortunately, he isn’t likely to win the party’s nomination,
Duh!
Ya' think?!?
Posted by Expatriate on May 25 2015,6:33 am
(Self-Banished @ May 24 2015,7:03 pm)
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(Expatriate @ May 24 2015,7:24 am)
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Unfortunately, he isn’t likely to win the party’s nomination,
Duh!
Ya' think?!?
It’s a smart move running as a Democrat on Bernie’s part, he’ll use the Democratic political machine until they nominate Hillary, at that point he’ll go Independent.
Let me see now how many of your boys are running, is it 30 something, I’ve lost count!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 25 2015,12:59 pm
^^Running as a dem???, he's a socialist, same damned thing
Posted by Expatriate on May 25 2015,5:46 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 28 2015,4:56 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on May 28 2015,6:10 am
^Merely another catch phrase the rightwing uses to scare the weak-minded, the word or for that matter ideology can vary greatly, in practical implementation Bernie’s version is just social democracy as opposed to the Oligarchy we are now under.“I think [democratic socialism] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest. I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly. That’s all it means”.
~Bernie Sanders
Posted by Self-Banished on May 28 2015,7:25 am
^^kinda like being "a little pregnant"
Posted by Expatriate on May 29 2015,6:22 am
(Self-Banished @ May 28 2015,7:25 am)
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^^kinda like being "a little pregnant"
When a woman is pregnant she has a glow of health, we need that same glow as we give birth to healthy new economy that
works for the entire Nation.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 29 2015,8:16 am
And less of this...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 29 2015,8:38 am
^^yeah, and maybe we could get the bottom 50% to pay some I come tax.
Posted by Expatriate on May 29 2015,4:59 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 29 2015,5:02 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 29 2015,7:01 pm
Yeah, someone mentions 90% tax and ol' Bernie doesn't bat an eye and says of course
Posted by grassman on May 29 2015,9:06 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 29 2015,7:01 pm)
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Yeah, someone mentions 90% tax and ol' Bernie doesn't bat an eye and says of course
You are such a drama queen...
Posted by Expatriate on May 29 2015,9:12 pm
Posted by alcitizens on May 30 2015,3:26 am
A City Where Everyone Works, There Is No Police, And The Salary Is 1200 Euros< http://peacefulwarriors.net/a-city-...0-euros >
Posted by Botto 82 on May 30 2015,4:52 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 30 2015,4:57 am
^^you're such a drama queen.
Posted by grassman on May 30 2015,5:46 am
^^^^ 
Posted by Self-Banished on May 30 2015,5:49 am
^^if that's the case I'll live with it 
Go back to your Baileys and coffee
Posted by grassman on May 30 2015,6:13 am
(Self-Banished @ May 30 2015,5:49 am)
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^^if that's the case I'll live with it
Go back to your Baileys and coffee
Go back to your Baileys and coffee
Been peekin in my fridge? It is Bailey's French Vanilla. Non-alcohol of course. Gotta go to work!
Posted by irisheyes on May 30 2015,7:29 am
FYI:QUOTE
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is scheduled to be the featured speaker Saturday at a town-hall forum in Kensett.
The forum will begin at 5 p.m. at the Kensett Community Center, 300 Willow St., in Kensett. There is no cost to attend.
< AL Trib: Bernie Sanders to visit Kensett >
The forum will begin at 5 p.m. at the Kensett Community Center, 300 Willow St., in Kensett. There is no cost to attend.
< AL Trib: Bernie Sanders to visit Kensett >
Posted by Self-Banished on May 30 2015,8:15 am
^^yeah, Kennset, that's a good town for him.
Posted by Expatriate on May 30 2015,6:20 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 30 2015,7:41 pm
^^^ooooh, Meet and be depressed.NBC
Posted by Expatriate on May 31 2015,6:21 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 01 2015,7:06 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 01 2015,7:44 pm
Tell me, have you ever thought of vacationing in sunny Venezula?< http://www.nationalreview.com/article...m-rogan >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 01 2015,8:25 pm
The National Review? What's next? Limbaugh quotes?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 01 2015,9:15 pm
And you would suggest what?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 01 2015,9:16 pm
Better?< http://www.forbes.com/sites...nezuela >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 02 2015,6:06 am
^^You don’t have to worry about Venezuela Dumbo, China’s got that base covered, Venezuela has one of the worlds largest proven oil reserves! Fact is China is making a move on resources all over the world, they’re not using their military they’re using OUR money, how’s that possible, because of the short sighted greed of Corporate America’s trade deals!
Bernie Sanders will put the kibosh on these one sided trade deals, bring the jobs back and keep our wealth at home rather than in the hands of our competitors!
< http://www.businessinsider.com/statist...-2015-2 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 02 2015,7:48 am
^^no sh!t Yes both parties have been feeding that beast for along time but how do you figure Mr. 90% is going to change that? Wave his magic wand? Excecutive order?
this system is ingrained deep and unless you get a really cooperative congress nothing's going to change and I really don't see that happening.Back to 90%, really? He wants to go back to a 90% tax rate? I can about guess what you'll post "we had 90% before Reagan screwed up the tax code" if BS were to get his way there'd be no deductions and this would be economic suicide.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 02 2015,8:30 am
Economic suicide? More like economic euthanasia. The current economic situation in this country has been anything BUT helpful to most Americans, save a few elites. Oh, that's right, you think you're going to be numbered among said elites someday, so the status quo is just peachy.
Most working Americans are giving 110% and are still struggling. They're not the trailer-park-dwelling Springer show slackers you seem to envision. Even if you're insured, it's likely that most of you can't afford the deductible and the copays associated with a serious illness.
It's time we returned to being a nation that takes care of its own, and not just the extremely wealthy, who, contrary to what the idiot box tells everyone, are not better than everybody else.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 02 2015,9:27 am
^^i do very well thankyou but in some respects you're right about taking care of ourselves. Foreign aid needs to stop, it's downright ridiculous. Lobbying needs to be reigned in amongst other maladies.Back to my economic status, I do very well, I'm happy with what I bring home but it could be more, paying the amount of taxes we do is way out of line.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 03 2015,6:45 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2015,7:32 am
< http://townhall.com/columni...ull >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2015,1:30 pm
< http://allenbwest.com/2014...-wallet >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2015,1:33 pm
< http://www.tpnn.com/2014...ers-for >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 03 2015,3:58 pm
^^^More poppycock from rightwing propagandists, “Socialist Socialist Socialist” phony bologna!
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 03 2015,4:42 pm
But when the big banks screw up, and we end up eating the losses, why don't you wingnuts call THAT socialism?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 03 2015,6:03 pm
^^I do, the bank bail out was nothing more than a give-away and also the auto makers bailout, they should have been allowed to file bankruptcy and proceeded from there.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2015,5:21 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2015,5:38 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,8:12 am
So if BS were to win we'd rename the country U.S.S.A.?(United Socialist States of America)?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 04 2015,8:49 am
It's socialist now. Bernie's just talking about shifting the emphasis away from billionaires and back to the people. What's wrong with that?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,9:45 am
^^No, it's not socialism, it's capitalismAnd if it were to turn socialist all that would happen is that a different class would benefit, the government, not the people.
Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 04 2015,9:50 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 01 2015,7:44 pm)
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Tell me, have you ever thought of vacationing in sunny Venezula?
You don't like socialist nations, yet you often say we should be more like the communist countries like China. It sounds like you're anti-socialism, but pro-communism.
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Back to 90%, really? He wants to go back to a 90% tax rate? I can about guess what you'll post "we had 90% before Reagan screwed up the tax code" if BS were to get his way there'd be no deductions and this would be economic suicide.
I watched and read the interviews, I didn't see anywhere where he suggested a 90% tax. Once again FOX was playing slap-chop with soundbites before they gave their commentary.
Like it or not, at some point we need to pay for the wars and tax cuts that went to the rich during the 80's & 00's. You can't cut taxes to wealthy heirs while we keep putting the military budget on a credit card. As much as you defend Reagan and Bush, they left us a bill that has to be paid. Don't like it, start electing Republicans who actually decrease the deficit instead of doubling or quadrupling it. Taxing the heirs to Sam Walton, Mitt Romney, and Warren Buffet at the same tax rate that truck drivers and teachers pay won't hurt the economy, it will improve it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,9:54 am
Cut welfare and social programs we'd save a bit too.As far as BS
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ZTgeUkUug >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,12:15 pm
Excellent read< http://www.westernjournalism.com/bigger-...blicans >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 04 2015,3:41 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 04 2015,9:54 am)
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Cut welfare and social programs
Do that, and what happens next? Something that makes Ferguson and Baltimore look like Girl Scout picnics, that's what.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,3:52 pm
^^sometimes ya' gotta break a few eggs
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2015,6:05 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 04 2015,6:40 pm
^^^OMG! Comparing BS to Jesus? You really are f%cked in the head
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2015,6:53 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 04 2015,6:57 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2015,3:45 am
So what's next? BS walks on water?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 05 2015,7:16 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 05 2015,7:20 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 05 2015,7:21 am
Posted by hymiebravo on Jun. 05 2015,8:51 pm
We just had a senator. I look for it to go back to a governor being the POTUS. I also lean towards thinking someone named Bush will be on the ticket. Possibly even as a VP.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 06 2015,7:36 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 06 2015,9:45 am
^^^ah, the New York Times,
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 06 2015,10:34 am
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 06 2015,10:36 am
Now a word from Bernie's sponsor.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 06 2015,10:42 am
Simple pleasures for simple m
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 06 2015,10:44 am
Bernie will become president when..
Posted by grassman on Jun. 06 2015,1:04 pm
I don't think pigs can become angels. I've heard of arch angels but not pork angels.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 06 2015,2:01 pm
^^pork Angels??That would be an excellent name for a BBQ place, if it not already.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 06 2015,5:09 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 06 2015,5:12 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 06 2015,9:26 pm
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 07 2015,6:03 am
This is Bernie Sander's 2010 speech, you might buy into all the labels the propagandist pin on him, but you can't deny the issues!Take the time to listen, Bernie has the problem pegged, if you love this country and want it to continue, we need Bernie in the White House and Democrats in the Congress!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 07 2015,6:06 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 07 2015,6:23 am
I guess 80% of Republicans are Socialists < http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015...sanders >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 07 2015,6:44 am
^^so those 7 points make you a socialist?
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 08 2015,9:03 am
QUOTE
DAVENPORT, IA—Expounding upon the many ways in which they’ve positively impacted the country at large, a tanned and impeccably coiffed Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reportedly informed supporters gathered at a campaign stop Thursday that corporations actually have a tremendous amount to offer the American people. “Businesses both large and small play a vital role in our society, creating good jobs and pumping billions back into the economy, and corporations are just the largest and most successful of these businesses—and certainly we shouldn’t punish success,” said the presidential hopeful, adjusting the alligator-skin band on his diamond-encrusted Bulgari watch as he elaborated on the ways in which publicly held companies in the financial, telecommunications, and oil and gas sectors have spurred growth and development in communities across the country. “And when you think about it, these companies aren’t just some faceless entities—they’re our neighbors, our family members, and our friends, all working together to make America the truly great nation it is.” At press time, Sanders could be seen smiling and waving from the stairs leading up to a brand-new Gulfstream personal jet before heading off to a private fundraiser at Sheldon Adelson’s estate.
< That's right. I'm tan. >
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 08 2015,9:07 am
Here's a picture of Bernie in another role beside Betty White.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 08 2015,10:01 am
Hey! Ted was smarter
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2015,11:01 am
(MADDOG @ Jun. 08 2015,9:03 am)
QUOTE
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DAVENPORT, IA—Expounding upon the many ways in which they’ve positively impacted the country at large, a tanned and impeccably coiffed Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reportedly informed supporters gathered at a campaign stop Thursday that corporations actually have a tremendous amount to offer the American people. “Businesses both large and small play a vital role in our society, creating good jobs and pumping billions back into the economy, and corporations are just the largest and most successful of these businesses—and certainly we shouldn’t punish success,” said the presidential hopeful, adjusting the alligator-skin band on his diamond-encrusted Bulgari watch as he elaborated on the ways in which publicly held companies in the financial, telecommunications, and oil and gas sectors have spurred growth and development in communities across the country. “And when you think about it, these companies aren’t just some faceless entities—they’re our neighbors, our family members, and our friends, all working together to make America the truly great nation it is.” At press time, Sanders could be seen smiling and waving from the stairs leading up to a brand-new Gulfstream personal jet before heading off to a private fundraiser at Sheldon Adelson’s estate.
< That's right. I'm tan. >
I'm confused. Are you trying to prove how different Bernie Sanders is from the typical politician by posting that satirical article and photo-shopped pic from The Onion?
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 08 2015,11:38 am
I thought my next post QUOTE
Here's a picture of Bernie in another role beside Betty White.
kind of answered that.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2015,12:20 pm
(MADDOG @ Jun. 08 2015,11:38 am)
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I thought my next post
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Here's a picture of Bernie in another role beside Betty White.
kind of answered that. Oh...
Sorry, I'm still confused. Are you in favor of Bernie? By posting an article that highlights how drastically different he is in appearance, actions and words than pretty much every other high profile candidate, it seems like you are Pro-Bernie. Since most people are fed up with politics/politicians of the typical variety. Private jets, fancy clothes, fancy hair, partying with billionaire donors.
I still don't think Bernie stands a chance, one way or another, even if he did get in the White House, but if he makes it to the final round, so far, I'd vote for him.
Such widespread corruption and systemic failures. The deck is stacked against him, or anyone else who actually wants to pull this country out of the toilet. Unless we the people stand up and start demanding something other than business as usual.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 08 2015,12:20 pm
To me Bernie comes off as a slightly less crazy Ron Paul. I guess he's the lefts weird uncle.Both of them have some good ideas, but most are so off the wall that the good ones get drown out but the minutia of other drivel.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2015,1:59 pm
Which ones do you consider off the wall?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 08 2015,3:00 pm
^^oh I don't knowA 90% tax rate?
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...ax-rate >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2015,4:50 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 08 2015,3:00 pm)
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^^oh I don't know
A 90% tax rate?
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...ax-rate >
A 90% tax rate?
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...ax-rate >
Nice editing job Daily Caller did.
QUOTE
HARWOOD: When you think about 90 percent, you don't think that's obviously too high?
SANDERS: No. That's not 90 percent of your income, you know? That's the marginal. I'm sure you have some really right-wing nut types, but I'm not sure that every very wealthy person feels that it's the worst thing in the world for them to pay more in taxes, to be honest with you. I think you've got a lot of millionaires saying, "You know what? I've made a whole lot of money. I don't want to see kids go hungry in America. Yeah, I'll pay my fair share."
SANDERS: No. That's not 90 percent of your income, you know? That's the marginal. I'm sure you have some really right-wing nut types, but I'm not sure that every very wealthy person feels that it's the worst thing in the world for them to pay more in taxes, to be honest with you. I think you've got a lot of millionaires saying, "You know what? I've made a whole lot of money. I don't want to see kids go hungry in America. Yeah, I'll pay my fair share."
< http://www.cnbc.com/id/102694365 >
And even with the editing job Daily Caller did, you don't have anything to say about:
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No,” Sanders replied. “What I think is obscene, and what frightens me is, again, when you have the top one-tenth of one percent owning almost as much wealth as the bottom 90.”
You don't seem to have a problem with corporations using loopholes and paying 0, or even getting REFUNDS. Maybe by raising it to 90%, corporations will actually be paying the tax rate they are supposed to be paying now?
< http://www.newsweek.com/2014...03.html >
< http://billmoyers.com/2014...e-taxes >
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2480281 >
Posted by stardust14 on Jun. 09 2015,12:04 am
Rosalind, so long as these turkeys BELIEVE Wallstreet 1%ers only steal from somebody else (not them) they will keep cheerleading for these big boys. Nothing to do with education. Blind faith.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,4:44 am
This is a spot on article, as Stossel writes,"It's the spending stupid"
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...-really >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 09 2015,6:32 am
^^When Bill Clinton left office in January 2001, this country enjoyed a healthy $236 billion surplus, and the projections were that this surplus would grow by a total of $5 trillion over a 10-year period. Bush and the so-called deficit hawks chose to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and put the funding for those wars on our nation’s credit card!
During this same period, Bush and the “deficit hawks” provided huge tax breaks to the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans.
Further, as a result of the deregulation of Wall Street, and the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior of the major financial institutions, this country was driven into the worst recession since the 1930s, which resulted in a massive reduction in revenue coming into the federal government.
You must have a short memory span.
I still remember when Stossel got his punk ass kick by that wrestler, he must have suffered brain damage and now has memory issues too!
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 09 2015,6:39 am
Posted by grassman on Jun. 09 2015,6:46 am
As far as Stossel getting bitch slapped, just plain assault. That wrestler should get arrested. Steroids make people violent.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 09 2015,7:42 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 09 2015,4:44 am)
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This is a spot on article, as Stossel writes,
"It's the spending stupid"
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...-really >
"It's the spending stupid"
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...-really >
Sorry, but by far, this is the most interesting part of your article:
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When the top marginal rate was 90 percent, actor Ronald Reagan worked just half the year. As soon as he made enough money such that every additional dollar was taxed at 90 percent, he stopped working and went off to ride horses.
Where exactly did Reagan work where he could take half a year off??
Well yeah, it's the spending too for crying out loud, and that's another thing Bernie has been yelling about for years. Especially the insane wars and meddling with other countries.
You still avoid any mention of some of the big corporations avoiding taxes altogether or even getting refunds.
Your article:
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Even Donald Trump, who gets so much wrong, gets this one right. He says of rich people, “They’re international people. Whether they live here or live in a place like Switzerland doesn’t really matter to them.”
I'll even help The Donald pack. Would love to not have his dumbass flappin lips all over the place.
< http://billmoyers.com/2014...-doesnt >
Let all of them leave. The ones who buy politicians, rig the systems in their favors, control the media. Good riddance. No other innovative entrepreneurs and "job creators" will pop up and replace them? Maybe people who actually want America to be what it only pretends to be?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,7:45 am
^^ Stossel sued and won years ago, he actually regrets it today.As far as the Clinton economy? He was smart enough not to mess with the dot-com wave that eventually crashed after he left office.
He also gutted our military.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,7:50 am
Big companies avoid taxes by following the laws our congressmen enact, it's both sides of the aisle.Don't kid yourself, that Nutjob Sanders knows where the big tax money is, the middle class.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 09 2015,7:55 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 09 2015,7:50 am)
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Big companies avoid taxes by following the laws our congressmen enact, it's both sides of the aisle.
Exactly.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,8:04 am
^^ but there's still the fact that even with all the 1%'s money it still comes down to the spending.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 09 2015,8:07 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 09 2015,8:04 am)
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^^ but there's still the fact that even with all the 1%'s money it still comes down to the spending.
I don't think there are many people who would argue against that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,8:54 am
So we should push for spending cuts, massive ones, no matter what the sacred cow but I can hear the one idiot in the back with his hand up " what about social security"?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 09 2015,4:14 pm
Everything was going fine before the Republicans took office after Clinton, even now Obama has the deficit shrinking,things are turning around even with the obstructionist party kicking and screaming and dragging their feet on every issue!
The national debt is way to high but to burden those on Social Security or on the lower end of the wage scale is the wrong answer and would in itself damage the economy!
Trickle Down Economics have proved disastrous, and all the Republicans do is propose one tax cut after the next for the
wealthy oblivious to the National Debt. We don’t need to cut social programs, we need corporations and wealthy Republicans
to pay their taxes, we need to close all these F’n world war two bases all over the place and bring the troops home, they can guard the borders, the navy can help by guarding our shores.
Posted by grassman on Jun. 09 2015,4:26 pm
You can't close all them bases! Do you have any idea how many generals and admirals there are that have chosen to make the military their career until they retire with a huge pension?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,5:56 pm
As I stated, no sacred cows.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 09 2015,6:01 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2015,7:09 pm
(Expatriate @ Jun. 09 2015,4:14 pm)
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Everything was going fine before the Republicans took office after Clinton, even now Obama has the deficit shrinking,
things are turning around even with the obstructionist party kicking and screaming and dragging their feet on every issue!
The national debt is way to high but to burden those on Social Security or on the lower end of the wage scale is the wrong answer and would in itself damage the economy!
things are turning around even with the obstructionist party kicking and screaming and dragging their feet on every issue!
The national debt is way to high but to burden those on Social Security or on the lower end of the wage scale is the wrong answer and would in itself damage the economy!
Yep, nothin' to worry about.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 09 2015,7:25 pm
90% tax rate? I have a place for that. Halliburton. Raytheon. General Dynamics. Boeing. In other words, any money made on government military contracts. I bet that would curtail defense spending down to a more sane level, and in a hurry.
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 09 2015,8:56 pm
Yeah, I'm sure those defense contractors will just eat that expense and not pass it on to the government. How would increasing the costs of military equipment reduce defense spending? You don't actually think there's some price point where politicians think a war is just too expensive, do you?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2015,1:08 am
^^there are a few here that actually think raising taxes is a magical fix that will foil the "evil"rich and not be passed down to the "little" guy in the end
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2015,5:58 am
^^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2015,6:09 am
^^well you started out good on the other thread then you troddled of to stupidville I say "up your dosage"
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2015,6:13 am
LOL
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2015,6:16 am
C'mon, don't be afraid, self-induced electro shock treatment might work
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2015,6:25 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2015,6:27 am
Buster numbers < http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-charts >
I have to go to work now, you know, making an honest living? (No, you probably don't)
We'll play later
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2015,5:21 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 10 2015,5:25 pm
^^Jelousy is very unbecomingAppreciate what you have, don't worry about others.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 10 2015,5:49 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2015,5:50 am
^^is your paycheck that crappy?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,6:47 am
^^You seem to have mastered the art of self imposed ignorance. Your ability to deny truth and facts is nothing short of amazing.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,6:53 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,7:54 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2015,10:04 am
Face reality, seriously, the dems are going to put up stroke lady for prez.But I suppose it's nice to have a pipe dream
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,1:47 pm
Democrats outnumber Republicans, the problem is getting the voters motivated and to the polls, Hillary will be tied up in all the usual Republican mudslinging, Republicans fear Hillary, they believe She’s the primary threat, Republican’s will do everything they can to help defeat her in the primary! Republican’s look at Bernie Sanders as a sideshow curiosity a laughable socialist, easily defeated!Sanders message resonates with the American Working Class, his movement is building steam big time. Bernie has the message & charisma to bring out the voters in force, not only electing him President, but bringing a sweeping Democratic victory in Congress as frosting on the cake!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2015,2:02 pm
(Expatriate @ Jun. 11 2015,1:47 pm)
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Democrats outnumber Republicans, the problem is getting the voters motivated and to the polls, Hillary will be tied up in all the usual Republican mudslinging, Republicans fear Hillary, they believe She’s the primary threat, Republican’s will do everything they can to help defeat her in the primary! Republican’s look at Bernie Sanders as a sideshow curiosity a laughable socialist, easily defeated!
Sanders message resonates with the American Working Class, his movement is building steam big time. Bernie has the message & charisma to bring out the voters in force, not only electing him President, but bringing a sweeping Democratic victory in Congress as frosting on the cake!
Sanders message resonates with the American Working Class, his movement is building steam big time. Bernie has the message & charisma to bring out the voters in force, not only electing him President, but bringing a sweeping Democratic victory in Congress as frosting on the cake!
Sure there are more dems, and the organizers just have to offer them free smokes or a ride from the soup kitchen to the polls(I've actually seen this) when you're a zero liability voter it's easy to be conived in to voting for someone who's gonna give you more free sh!t.
You've got it right BS is nothing more than a side show, maybe we'll all get lucky and he'll run as a third party candidate like Perot did
As far as building steam? I do that too just after eating chili and egg salad.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,2:31 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2015,3:41 pm
Side show Bernie
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,5:09 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 11 2015,6:14 pm
^^why should a company be forced to pay for family leave? Vacation time? Or sick leave?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,6:50 pm
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 11 2015,6:53 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 12 2015,6:20 am
^^when you wake up in the morning you take the blue pill right?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 12 2015,7:16 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 12 2015,8:10 am
Yep, blue pill
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 12 2015,5:01 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 13 2015,6:33 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 13 2015,6:38 am
^^ what an ass clown Goes after every liberal' favorite whipping boys, the Koch bros.
Does it pain your stupid ass that the Kochs employ a sh!tload of Union workers?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 13 2015,7:46 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 13 2015,8:52 am
^^nothing more than pandering and idiots like you swallow it.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 13 2015,10:52 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 13 2015,1:27 pm
^*I'm sure a sheep like you will swallow deep.😜
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 13 2015,2:57 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:00 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 14 2015,6:23 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:27 am
^^ at least he resigned This one stayed on and was impeached
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 14 2015,6:37 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 14 2015,6:50 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 14 2015,5:36 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:03 pm
Sanders, a blithering, ignorant, pandering, career politician. < https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:07 pm
< http://reason.com/archive...sanders >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:13 pm
Perhaps some Bastiat Socialism Is Legal Plunder
Mr. de Montalembert has been accused of desiring to fight socialism by the use of brute force. He ought to be exonerated from this accusation, for he has plainly said: "The war that we must fight against socialism must be in harmony with law, honor, and justice."
But why does not Mr. de Montalembert see that he has placed himself in a vicious circle? You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.
To prevent this, you would exclude socialism from entering into the making of laws? You would prevent socialists from entering the Legislative Palace? You shall not succeed, I predict, so long as legal plunder continues to be the main business of the legislature. It is illogical — in fact, absurd — to assume otherwise.
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 14 2015,6:25 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 14 2015,6:03 pm)
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Sanders, a blithering, ignorant, pandering, career politician.
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
I'm going to start caring after the first of next year.. Start practicing your annoying bullsh!t because I don't like listening to a bunch of lies..
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 14 2015,6:36 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,8:12 pm
(alcitizens @ Jun. 14 2015,6:25 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 14 2015,6:03 pm)
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Sanders, a blithering, ignorant, pandering, career politician.
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
I'm going to start caring after the first of next year.. Start practicing your annoying bullsh!t because I don't like listening to a bunch of lies..
Then I suggest you turn off your TV, better yet, pitch it out the window because you're gonna hear sh!t spewed from both parties.
I haven't picked a horse yet and the pickin's are slim(great actor) I'll probably lean towards someone more business orientated preferribly someone who's actually held a real job in say, oh, the last 35 years which really limits my choices.
Dumbasses like Expat are no better than the welfare queen living in the trailer park with 5 kids by 5 different guys. (Though I've heard he actually is a "queen")
Posted by grassman on Jun. 14 2015,10:48 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 14 2015,6:13 pm)
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Perhaps some Bastiat
Socialism Is Legal Plunder
Mr. de Montalembert has been accused of desiring to fight socialism by the use of brute force. He ought to be exonerated from this accusation, for he has plainly said: "The war that we must fight against socialism must be in harmony with law, honor, and justice."
But why does not Mr. de Montalembert see that he has placed himself in a vicious circle? You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.
To prevent this, you would exclude socialism from entering into the making of laws? You would prevent socialists from entering the Legislative Palace? You shall not succeed, I predict, so long as legal plunder continues to be the main business of the legislature. It is illogical — in fact, absurd — to assume otherwise.
Socialism Is Legal Plunder
Mr. de Montalembert has been accused of desiring to fight socialism by the use of brute force. He ought to be exonerated from this accusation, for he has plainly said: "The war that we must fight against socialism must be in harmony with law, honor, and justice."
But why does not Mr. de Montalembert see that he has placed himself in a vicious circle? You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.
To prevent this, you would exclude socialism from entering into the making of laws? You would prevent socialists from entering the Legislative Palace? You shall not succeed, I predict, so long as legal plunder continues to be the main business of the legislature. It is illogical — in fact, absurd — to assume otherwise.
Kinda like what has happened already by big business, ya think?!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 15 2015,4:52 am
^^big business? Or big gov? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 15 2015,5:03 am
More from BastiatThe Seductive Lure of Socialism
Here I encounter the most popular fallacy of our times. It is not considered sufficient that the law should be just; it must be philanthropic. Nor is it sufficient that the law should guarantee to every citizen the free and inoffensive use of his faculties for physical, intellectual, and moral self-improvement. Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation.
This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 15 2015,5:34 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 15 2015,5:48 am
^^no, capitalism does not fail, worthless, unproductive slugs like you do.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 15 2015,6:01 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 15 2015,6:07 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 15 2015,6:32 am
< https://berniesanders.com/ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,4:47 am
^Feel the BullSh!t
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,6:30 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,7:17 am
< http://thehill.com/blogs...g-fraud >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,10:54 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,11:32 am
^^You highlight the difference between a liberal and tea Party idiots extremely well.At one time I thought SB was a figment of Chad's imagination, I thought nobody could be that stupid, post this tripe and mean it, but Self-Banished is real and a prime example of today's tea bagger!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,11:38 am
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,12:16 pm
(Expatriate @ Jun. 16 2015,11:32 am)
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^^You highlight the difference between a liberal and tea Party idiots extremely well.
At one time I thought SB was a figment of Chad's imagination, I thought nobody could be that stupid, post this tripe and mean it, but Self-Banished is real and a prime example of today's tea bagger!
At one time I thought SB was a figment of Chad's imagination, I thought nobody could be that stupid, post this tripe and mean it, but Self-Banished is real and a prime example of today's tea bagger!
I post on my own time, my own dime
A lazy-assed Union pule like you is posting on company equipment and company time.
How typically union
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,7:14 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2015,12:16 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Jun. 16 2015,11:32 am)
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^^You highlight the difference between a liberal and tea Party idiots extremely well.
At one time I thought SB was a figment of Chad's imagination, I thought nobody could be that stupid, post this tripe and mean it, but Self-Banished is real and a prime example of today's tea bagger!
At one time I thought SB was a figment of Chad's imagination, I thought nobody could be that stupid, post this tripe and mean it, but Self-Banished is real and a prime example of today's tea bagger!
I post on my own time, my own dime
A lazy-assed Union pule like you is posting on company equipment and company time.
How typically union
You have a jealousy problem about union workers, what was it you couldn’t get by the entrance exam most union employers require before they hire you?
You weren’t smart enough graduate from a trade school or get a college degree?
You should be happy for what other worker’s have achieved, you and every other worker has benefited from hard won battles! You don’t have to go back to many years to see how poorly workers were treated in this country! If Corporations/Employers would have treated workers fairly there’d be no unions, but that's not the way of the world.
The people you vote for will take the working class back a 100 years.
I’ve been a licensed Engineer since 1973, a Chief Engineer since 1995, as of this spring I hold a consultant status (retired).
Let me put your mind at ease, during all my years with the utility I never posted on this forum or used any other social media at work.
here's your-anti union card:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,9:01 pm
^^but I did graduate from tech school and I actually went to college.I'd gladly sign that card, I don't expect to be paid for not working, sick, vacation or otherwise. Seniority rights? Do a better job, that's the seniority world I live in. Wage increase, I alone negotiate my own. I've paid my own ins. Time and a half? Are you working half again as hard. Unemployment ins? When the job ends(and they do) you find another. Wow, I don't know what I've been missing all these years
From reading through all this sh!t I realize that you,
Are lazy as hell
Have no initiative
Have no self respect or integrity.
Other than that I'm sure you're a fine person
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,9:36 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,10:10 pm
^^is that the best you got?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 17 2015,7:38 am
Sanders/Warren Posted by grassman on Jun. 17 2015,7:58 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2015,9:01 pm)
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^^but I did graduate from tech school and I actually went to college.
I'd gladly sign that card, I don't expect to be paid for not working, sick, vacation or otherwise. Seniority rights? Do a better job, that's the seniority world I live in. Wage increase, I alone negotiate my own. I've paid my own ins. Time and a half? Are you working half again as hard. Unemployment ins? When the job ends(and they do) you find another. Wow, I don't know what I've been missing all these years
From reading through all this sh!t I realize that you,
Are lazy as hell
Have no initiative
Have no self respect or integrity.
Other than that I'm sure you're a fine person
I'd gladly sign that card, I don't expect to be paid for not working, sick, vacation or otherwise. Seniority rights? Do a better job, that's the seniority world I live in. Wage increase, I alone negotiate my own. I've paid my own ins. Time and a half? Are you working half again as hard. Unemployment ins? When the job ends(and they do) you find another. Wow, I don't know what I've been missing all these years
From reading through all this sh!t I realize that you,
Are lazy as hell
Have no initiative
Have no self respect or integrity.
Other than that I'm sure you're a fine person
So by your own admission, you have been out of the real work force for quite some time. It is not very pleasant for most. Wages have not kept up with COL. Hard to buy insurance, put away for retirement, and save for a lost time of employment when you can't keep up with living. You talk like one of these guys.
Why don't you go do lunch with your buddy Donald. I sure he will pick you up in his jet!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 17 2015,9:50 am
^^ I am the real workforce😄
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 17 2015,10:28 am
Tragic moonbattery
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 17 2015,11:32 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2015,9:01 pm)
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I'd gladly sign that card, I don't expect to be paid for not working, sick, vacation or otherwise. Seniority rights? Do a better job, that's the seniority world I live in. Wage increase, I alone negotiate my own. I've paid my own ins. Time and a half? Are you working half again as hard. Unemployment ins? When the job ends(and they do) you find another. Wow, I don't know what I've been missing all these years
Wow, I bet you're a hoot at parties.
I'm sure a lot of guys are grateful that they won't be losing their hot girlfriends and wives to the likes of you. Thanks.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 17 2015,12:00 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jun. 17 2015,11:32 am)
QUOTE
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 16 2015,9:01 pm)
QUOTE
I'd gladly sign that card, I don't expect to be paid for not working, sick, vacation or otherwise. Seniority rights? Do a better job, that's the seniority world I live in. Wage increase, I alone negotiate my own. I've paid my own ins. Time and a half? Are you working half again as hard. Unemployment ins? When the job ends(and they do) you find another. Wow, I don't know what I've been missing all these years
Wow, I bet you're a hoot at parties.
I'm sure a lot of guys are grateful that they won't be losing their hot girlfriends and wives to the likes of you. Thanks.
Wow, most days you're one of the smartest posters here, but there are times you're as dumb as a post
Parties? Wives, girlfriends? What the hell has any of this have to do with some stupid image Expat posted?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 17 2015,4:40 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 17 2015,7:35 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,10:05 am
^^
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 18 2015,11:59 am
Social Security is not an entitlement. American workers have paid into the system for decades. If crooks on the Hill would have kept their money grubbing hands out of it, the program would be as solvent as it needs to be.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2015,5:24 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,6:23 pm
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2015,6:56 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2015,6:57 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2015,7:47 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,8:45 pm
^^well, that's what you're most likely going to get.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 19 2015,4:36 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,8:30 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,8:48 am
Feel the Bern Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,12:11 pm
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 19 2015,3:17 pm
< What was I thinking? >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,5:02 pm
^^Now that's what I like to see, Republican smear tactics, they are starting to realize Bernie’s for real, and a danger to the status quo! Senator Bernie Sanders might actually pose a bigger threat to Republicans and their trickledown agenda than to centrist Democrats like Clinton. Centrists, after all, have the option of simply agreeing with Bernie if his ideas start polling well, Republicans have the challenge of actually having to refute the Independent U.S. Senator from Vermont. Bernie has and does eat these rightwing loons alive in debates!
Senator Sanders is a threat to Republicans because he is offering an alternative economic agenda at a time when many of the GOP’s policies on that subject have failed., If the Republicans do not offer new ideas and alternatives, they will lose the debates! From what I’ve heard so far it’s the same old song and dance from every Republican candidate.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,5:11 pm
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 19 2015,5:17 pm
QUOTE
Socialist snow on the streets
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,9:06 pm
Posted by grassman on Jun. 19 2015,10:28 pm
(MADDOG @ Jun. 19 2015,5:17 pm)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Socialist snow on the streets
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Maybe your point of view is biased because you do not produce anything. You sell. What else have you sold?
Pimps sell too, but I will not go there.
Not that I am insinuating that you have , just a matter of comparison.Sellers make the money on the labor of others.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,5:01 am
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Socialist snow on the streets
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist kids sucking socialist lollipops
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
—aren't the birds frozen socialists?
Aren't the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appeasement?
Isn't the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn't this poem socialist? It doesn't
belong to me anymore.
-Allen Ginsberg
Maybe your point of view is biased because you do not produce anything. You sell. What else have you sold?
Pimps sell too, but I will not go there.
Not that I am insinuating that you have , just a matter of comparison.Sellers make the money on the labor of others.
Wow, people think I'm an ass.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,7:30 am
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Wow, people think I'm an ass.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,7:34 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,7:55 am
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Wow, people think I'm an ass.
Better an as than an idiot
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,7:56 am
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Better an as than an idiot
WTF does that mean Dumbo? Oh, I get it, you admit you're an a$$ and proved you're an idiot!
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,8:41 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,8:46 am
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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 20 2015,7:55 am)
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Better an as than an idiot
WTF does that mean Dumbo? Oh, I get it, you admit you're an a$$ and proved you're an idiot!
Wow, you really are a dumbass
Going to your cornhole league tonight?
Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 20 2015,4:52 pm
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Are you so sure this shtbg isn't about the govt and state run everything? listening to this POS over the years seems to indicate that. POS like BS seem to think they can create equal outcomes all because equal opportunities just isn't fair.
Bernie Sanders second biggest plunder was the time he wanted to write erotica, but his biggest is bringing up the dreaded "S" word. Most of us that are considering him as a nominee are NOT in favor of millionaires or billionaires losing what they have, or the government controlling the means of production (command economy). But that's not the case, Sanders issues aren't any different than many other Dem or Repub leaders of the mid-20th Century: infrastructure, education, and breaking up monopolies.
Reminds me of when Kramer made his big screwup on stage. No, I don't mean the racial rant, the time he tried to talk a kid into another toy.
< Communist Santa >My favorite line from that episode, "Communism, You didn't realize Communism was a sensitive issue? What do you think has been going on in the world for the past 60 years? Wake up and smell the coffee."
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,6:02 pm
^^ and some of us want candidates that are for less gov. Now if a repub or conservative candidate would have written something like that you and the other dough heads would have been screaming.Never watched more than 6-7 episodes of Seinfeld, didn't think it was funny
Posted by grassman on Jun. 20 2015,6:50 pm
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Never watched more than 6-7 episodes of Seinfeld, didn't think it was funny
I believe you. The thing is with Seinfeld, you need to read between the lines to understand what it is about.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,7:05 pm
^^no, it just wasn't that funny.I'm not much of a TV person.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,8:04 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,8:46 pm
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 21 2015,6:44 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 21 2015,7:14 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 22 2015,8:07 am
^^more
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 22 2015,8:55 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,7:30 am
Watch Bernie Sanders rip Alan Greenspan a new one in 2003, Feel the Bern! Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2015,9:43 am
^^more and more
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,10:05 am
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^^more and more
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,10:12 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2015,3:51 pm
^^You mean like this one??
< http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...nt.html >p
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,4:25 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2015,4:29 pm
And Buster owns it
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 23 2015,7:33 pm
Riveting repartee. 
What part of the Sanders v. Greenspan exchange did you consider to be B as in B, S as in S?
I understand how the game of Monopoly works. Someone ends up with all the money, and the other players have nothing. No amount of whining will change that for the broke losers. But that's just a game. With rules. Ones that aren't for sale.
Where we're at now is a free-for-all, relatively speaking, and I don't mind Mr. Sanders speaking up, even though he might be speaking for Top Hat and Race Car and Wheelbarrow, never mind that they're out of the game.
Alan Greenspan is a brilliant man. If he had used that brilliance to guide monetary policy in a direction that was good for America as a whole, this discussion would not be necessary.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2015,8:10 pm
^^ Yes, the banter between Expat and myself will put most normal humans into a coma but what do you do?Monopoly is a game banned at my house( I'm told I'm too vicious) it's probably because I know the rules. I know a lot of the rules in real business, all of them? Not even close. I do know enough to bend them to my advantage though. These rich folk that you and Expat and Grassman bitch about know the rules or they're smart enough to hire people who do.
These rich folks have built this country, the railroad rich, the publishing rich the oil rich and on and on. We read about them when we were kids in school, Carnegie, Melon, Morgan etc. I remember in school this people were hailed as heroes, the financial power behind schools, libraries, public services.
At present we bitch about these people, one of the biggest targets being the Koch brothers yet these economic giants employ thousands and thousands of people(many of them Union) donate millions to hospitals and philatrophic causes.
There are some people in this world who can't think for themselves, watch broadcast news and swallow it all. Be above that, consider more sources before passing judgement.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 23 2015,10:00 pm
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At present we bitch about these people, one of the biggest targets being the Koch brothers yet these economic giants employ thousands and thousands of people(many of them Union) donate millions to hospitals and philatrophic causes.
Yeah, that's not real. The middle class is diminished, and it's not their fault.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 23 2015,11:19 pm
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At present we bitch about these people, one of the biggest targets being the Koch brothers yet these economic giants employ thousands and thousands of people(many of them Union) donate millions to hospitals and philatrophic causes.
Translation: I won't bitch about the rich status quo because I intend to be part of it, someday.
Dupe...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,4:25 am
(Botto 82 @ Jun. 23 2015,11:19 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 23 2015,8:10 pm)
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At present we bitch about these people, one of the biggest targets being the Koch brothers yet these economic giants employ thousands and thousands of people(many of them Union) donate millions to hospitals and philatrophic causes.
Translation: I won't bitch about the rich status quo because I intend to be part of it, someday.
Dupe...
Maybe I will, maybe I won't. What's important is that I'm very satisfied with where I am, what I do, in fact, I'm downright happy with it
Where you're at in life depends solely on how much effort you put into it, your attitude and decisions you make. If you're not happy where you're at change things, don't wallow in self pity crying it's not fair.As far as being duped?
Look in the mirror.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,4:28 am
(Botto 82 @ Jun. 23 2015,10:00 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 23 2015,8:10 pm)
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At present we bitch about these people, one of the biggest targets being the Koch brothers yet these economic giants employ thousands and thousands of people(many of them Union) donate millions to hospitals and philatrophic causes.
Yeah, that's not real. The middle class is diminished, and it's not their fault.
"The middle class is diminished"
What a popular media phrase.
Are these folks just as guilty as the Kochs?
< http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog...mocrats >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,6:05 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,7:23 am
Hmmm..< http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/634817 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,7:56 am
^So you post some smear from The Daily Caller, Tucker Carlson, Right-Wing pundit and Neil Patel former Cheney adviser!Now there’s a pair with no bias, this is essentially another right-wing blog Dumbo, not a valid source!
fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, it applies to The Daily Caller more than Mrs. Sanders attempt expand
a college.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,9:39 am
Seems to be some fire here< http://m.watchdog.org/?url=ht...2F#2733 >
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...cy-bank >
I'll be able to do some better diggin' when I get home tonight.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,10:18 am
Dumbo Dumbo Dumbo you just don’t get it, Sander’s doesn’t care about personal wealth, he doesn't have your tea-tard gold-digger mentality!QUOTE
Forbes~
Rep. Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist who trounced millionaire Rich Tarrant in Vermont’s Senate race, seems to live a spartan life, in accordance with his political beliefs. Aside from a Burlington condominium valued at $100,000 to $250,000, he had just $31,000 to $115,000 stashed in a credit union and a retirement account.
Rep. Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist who trounced millionaire Rich Tarrant in Vermont’s Senate race, seems to live a spartan life, in accordance with his political beliefs. Aside from a Burlington condominium valued at $100,000 to $250,000, he had just $31,000 to $115,000 stashed in a credit union and a retirement account.
< http://www.forbes.com/2006...e.html >
The Forbes article is dated but the highest net-worth I can find on Bernie is around 450 thousand...
like I said dummy, The Daily Caller, is a right-wing blog
your other link is a sales pitch stupid.
Dumbo crawl into the gutter and parrot the oligarchy lackeys, they can’t defeat Bernie our his message so they use smear tactics!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,1:43 pm
Bullsh!t Bernie doesn't care because he's got a wife who pilfers the $$$
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,3:09 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,3:19 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,5:44 pm
I was just thinking back to the '96 election and Bob Dole. Bob was 72? back then and all I heard was Dole's too old.Hmmmm, Bullsh!t Bernie's 74 in Sept which would make him 75 by election time next year. Seems the age thing is coming back to bite the libs in the ass, most of the repub. canididates are 20 or so years younger than all of the Dems.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,6:14 pm
Bernie’s fairly vibrant for his age, Chronological age effects can differ from person to person. if something happened, Vice PresidentWarren would be just as good.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,4:39 am
^^ I like that term, "fairly vibrant" real meaning=doesn't forget where he's at too often. Warren as VP? I think it's great senior citizens like you get involved but pipe dreams such as yours will soon be realized as the bullsh!t they are.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 25 2015,6:39 am
^^ Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,11:15 am
^^didn't even have to watch the videoI also think it's funny morons like you criticized him for his age and now think it's fine with BS
Do you have the word "hypocrite" in your vocabulary?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 25 2015,11:24 am
now there you go again
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,12:30 pm
^^ no, that seems to be your department.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 25 2015,5:05 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,9:16 pm
The Socialists Wish to Play GodSocialists look upon people as raw material to be formed into social combinations. This is so true that, if by chance, the socialists have any doubts about the success of these combinations, they will demand that a small portion of mankind be set aside to experiment upon. The popular idea of trying all systems is well known. And one socialist leader has been known seriously to demand that the Constituent Assembly give him a small district with all its inhabitants, to try his experiments upon.
In the same manner, an inventor makes a model before he constructs the full-sized machine; the chemist wastes some chemicals — the farmer wastes some seeds and land — to try out an idea.
But what a difference there is between the gardener and his trees, between the inventor and his machine, between the chemist and his elements, between the farmer and his seeds! And in all sincerity, the socialist thinks that there is the same difference between him and mankind!
It is no wonder that the writers of the nineteenth century look upon society as an artificial creation of the legislator's genius. This idea — the fruit of classical education — has taken possession of all the intellectuals and famous writers of our country. To these intellectuals and writers, the relationship between persons and the legislator appears to be the same as the relationship between the clay and the potter.
Moreover, even where they have consented to recognize a principle of action in the heart of man — and a principle of discernment in man's intellect — they have considered these gifts from God to be fatal gifts. They have thought that persons, under the impulse of these two gifts, would fatally tend to ruin themselves. They assume that if the legislators left persons free to follow their own inclinations, they would arrive at atheism instead of religion, ignorance instead of knowledge, poverty instead of production and exchange.
Bastiat
Posted by grassman on Jun. 26 2015,6:49 am
You know what? I don't think Bernie is a FULL BLOODED SOCIALIST. Have you ever thought about, you take a little of this and a little of that and put it all together and it works. This one way or the highway thinking has taken this country to test. Guess what...it doesn't work.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 26 2015,7:08 am
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The Socialists Wish to Play God
You quote a long dead Frenchman, a member of the privileged class, he’s about as relevant to today's capitalist socio-economic structure as the dinosaur!
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 26 2015,8:19 am
(Reposting to get past the page break)Why is this such a foreign concept to our so-called leaders?
I see only two likely explanations:
1) There's money to be made doing things differently
2) Middle-class buying power is somehow a bad thing
We have the minds and the means to look out for the least of us, and still turn a profit. That we didn't care enough to do both will be our frakked-up legacy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 26 2015,11:06 am
The troll-tard is pretty quite on the FDR quote, it’s been a couple bad days for him, the Supreme court hit him hard.Bernie’s the new FDR, he’s drawing bigger crowds and polling higher, his message is truth!
47 Percent of Americans Would Vote for a Socialist: Gallup Poll
It's a notable number for Bernie Sanders, though too early to offer much insight.
< http://www.alternet.org/electio...up-poll >
Go Bernie Go! Sanders/Warren 2016
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 26 2015,1:02 pm
Legal Plunder Has Many NamesNow, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole — with their common aim of legal plunder — constitute socialism.
Now, since under this definition socialism is a body of doctrine, what attack can be made against it other than a war of doctrine? If you find this socialistic doctrine to be false, absurd, and evil, then refute it. And the more false, the more absurd, and the more evil it is, the easier it will be to refute. Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.
Bastiat
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 26 2015,4:57 pm
This laissez faire let them eat cake Frenchman seems to be your new hero, it’s this type of doctrine that leads to revolution, believe me the poor will pol pot US folks with money without a second thought.Shortsighted economists like Bastiat, suffer from tunnel vision, their libertarian views come from the fact they and their kin already have a feathered nest in the privileged class
Sander’s isn’t about full blown socialism, he’s about a fair shake for the Working Class.
He’s about rebuilding the middle class, the American People not just the 1%ers, but everyone.
He’s about enriching America, not corporate America or China or India via tax breaks/corporate offshoring.
take the time to listen to Bernie
Sanders/Warren 2016
An Economic Agenda for America: 12 Steps Forward
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 26 2015,5:21 pm
A Fatal Tendency of MankindSelf-preservation and self-development are common aspirations among all people. And if everyone enjoyed the unrestricted use of his faculties and the free disposition of the fruits of his labor, social progress would be ceaseless, uninterrupted, and unfailing.
But there is also another tendency that is common among people. When they can, they wish to live and prosper at the expense of others. This is no rash accusation. Nor does it come from a gloomy and uncharitable spirit. The annals of history bear witness to the truth of it: the incessant wars, mass migrations, religious persecutions, universal slavery, dishonesty in commerce, and monopolies. This fatal desire has its origin in the very nature of man — in that primitive, universal, and insuppressible instinct that impels him to satisfy his desires with the least possible pain.
Bastiat
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 27 2015,6:45 am
The world according to Self Banished, Ayn Rand or his new French love Bastiat would be a bleak place for the working class. The scab mentality of the rightwing would take away everything the labor movement has gained in the last hundred years with the stroke of a pen.Republicans hate big government, unless they can use it to crush unions and the working class, enrich themselves and their corporate masters while running up the national debt for the rest of US.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 27 2015,7:12 am
Socialists Fear All LibertiesWell, what liberty should the legislators permit people to have? Liberty of conscience? (But if this were permitted, we would see the people taking this opportunity to become atheists.)
Then liberty of education? (But parents would pay professors to teach their children immorality and falsehoods; besides, according to Mr. Thiers, if education were left to national liberty, it would cease to be national, and we would be teaching our children the ideas of the Turks or Hindus; whereas, thanks to this legal despotism over education, our children now have the good fortune to be taught the noble ideas of the Romans.)
Then liberty of labor? (But that would mean competition which, in turn, leaves production unconsumed, ruins businessmen, and exterminates the people.)
Perhaps liberty of trade? (But everyone knows — and the advocates of protective tariffs have proved over and over again — that freedom of trade ruins every person who engages in it, and that it is necessary to suppress freedom of trade in order to prosper.)
Possibly then, liberty of association? (But, according to socialist doctrine, true liberty and voluntary association are in contradiction to each other, and the purpose of the socialists is to suppress liberty of association precisely in order to force people to associate together in true liberty.)
Clearly then, the conscience of the social democrats cannot permit persons to have any liberty because they believe that the nature of mankind tends always toward every kind of degradation and disaster. Thus, of course, the legislators must make plans for the people in order to save them from themselves.
This line of reasoning brings us to a challenging question: If people are as incapable, as immoral, and as ignorant as the politicians indicate, then why is the right of these same people to vote defended with such passionate insistence?
Bastiat
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 27 2015,7:21 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 27 2015,7:32 am
"It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. This Administration's objective will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy. "Reagan 1/20/1981
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,6:25 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,6:46 am
“How do you tell a Communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” ― Ronald Reagan
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,7:00 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,7:17 am
bump
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,7:26 am
The Vicious Circle of SocialismWe shall never escape from this circle: the idea of passive mankind, and the power of the law being used by a great man to propel the people.
Once on this incline, will society enjoy some liberty? (Certainly.) And what is liberty, Mr. Louis Blanc?
Once and for all, liberty is not only a mere granted right; it is also the power granted to a person to use and to develop his faculties under a reign of justice and under the protection of the law.
And this is no pointless distinction; its meaning is deep and its consequences are difficult to estimate. For once it is agreed that a person, to be truly free, must have the power to use and develop his faculties, then it follows that every person has a claim on society for such education as will permit him to develop himself. It also follows that every person has a claim on society for tools of production, without which human activity cannot be fully effective. Now by what action can society give to every person the necessary education and the necessary tools of production, if not by the action of the state?
Thus, again, liberty is power. Of what does this power consist? (Of being educated and of being given the tools of production.) Who is to give the education and the tools of production? (Society, which owes them to everyone.) By what action is society to give tools of production to those who do not own them? (Why, by the action of the state.) And from whom will the state take them?
Let the reader answer that question. Let him also notice the direction in which this is taking us.
Bastiat
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,10:20 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,4:45 pm
^^the Catholic Church is nothing more than a political activists organization now.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2015,8:12 am
< http://m.sevendaysvt.com/OffMess...rachute >Do as I say
Not as I do
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 29 2015,9:03 am
Don’t get undies in a bundle, Severance packages are a common place occurrence, 200 thousand paid over a timeperiod is rather minuscule by today's standards for executive positions.
Not that I favor this type of compensation, but it is standard practice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2015,9:46 am
^^ in other words, steal.😢
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 29 2015,4:07 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 29 2015,9:46 am)
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^^ in other words, steal.😢
Carly Fiorina got a severance package worth about $21.4 million, she got another $21 million after she was forced out by the computer maker's board! she was at HP from 1999- 2005 and F’d things up royal!
< http://money.cnn.com/2005...?iid=EL >
Jack Welch at General Electric: $417 Million severance, now that’s stealing...
< http://www.forbes.com/picture...million >
go through the list at Forbes, they're all walking away with 100's of millions!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 29 2015,4:12 pm
If we elect Bullship Bernie we could be just like Greece!< http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/28/news/economy/greece-banks-ecb/ >
Opah!
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 29 2015,4:18 pm
Says who, you?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 29 2015,4:28 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 30 2015,6:03 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 30 2015,6:33 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 30 2015,6:47 am
Yeah you tards picked a winner making Reagan your idol, he really does represent Republican values, by the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 30 2015,7:02 am
^^ limited imagination
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 30 2015,3:02 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 01 2015,6:45 am
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 01 2015,8:36 am
This thread is becoming a 60 minute Sanders ad...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 01 2015,8:41 am
A socialism infomercial.😳
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 01 2015,10:44 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 27 2015,7:32 am)
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"It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. This Administration's objective will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy. "
Reagan 1/20/1981
Reagan 1/20/1981
Ah yes, the guy who broke the trillion threshold for national debt (trillion, with a T). For good measure, he broke the two trillion just to make sure Cheney would get the message that deficits don't matter.
There wasn't much anger when Bush sent everyone a check for $200 (or $400 for filing jointly), or when he formed a new entitlement program. This begs the question, why is acceptable for a Republican to redistribute wealth and bailout industry, but a Dem who suggests rebuilding our infrastructure and investing in education gets the Bastiat quotes?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 01 2015,11:15 am
^^< http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/how-muc...2560220 >
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...history >
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 01 2015,4:17 pm
(Glad I Left @ Jul. 01 2015,8:36 am)
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This thread is becoming a 60 minute Sanders ad...
I've been meaning to start a thread about the Republican candidates also, plenty of announcements and speeches on that side too.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 01 2015,5:26 pm
(irisheyes @ Jul. 01 2015,4:17 pm)
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I've been meaning to start a thread about the Republican candidates also, plenty of announcements and speeches on that side too.
Just one?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 01 2015,8:32 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 01 2015,5:26 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Jul. 01 2015,4:17 pm)
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I've been meaning to start a thread about the Republican candidates also, plenty of announcements and speeches on that side too.
Just one?Chris Matthews is already doing Clown Car Tuesday updates.
I'm sure that comedy writes itself.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 02 2015,5:30 am
But who are we to consider the clowns, the candidates or Mathews himself?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,6:05 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 29 2015,4:12 pm)
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If we elect Bullship Bernie we could be just like Greece!
The problems of Greece and their attempted remedy should be a lesson to US for our current financial woes. It should be obvious to all with the exception of the Republican Autocracy that austerity on the labor force in Greece was a failure. Balancing the budget on the backs of working class by imposing austerity caused a shrinking domestic market, hence less revenue!
The Greek upper Class and Corporations have become notorious for tax dodging much like our own rich here in the States.
Here in the United States we had a balanced budget not all that many years ago, Obama does have a shrinking depict but we’ve piled up a mass of Debt with the Bush collapse and the Bush wars, and we still have a Republican Party bent on more tax cuts for the wealthy and their Corporate puppeteers.
As Bernie has said, it’s time for the wealthy and corporations to help pay our bills!
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,6:54 am
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders drew 10,000 supporters, the largest crowd of his campaign thus far, according to reports. go Bernie go.. Walker’s home state, the only way Walker can draw crowds like that is at protests.
< http://thehill.com/blogs...sconsin >
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 02 2015,7:35 am
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(Self-Banished @ Jun. 27 2015,7:32 am)
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"It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work -- work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. This Administration's objective will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy. "
Reagan 1/20/1981
Reagan 1/20/1981
Ah yes, the guy who broke the trillion threshold for national debt (trillion, with a T). For good measure, he broke the two trillion just to make sure Cheney would get the message that deficits don't matter.
There wasn't much anger when Bush sent everyone a check for $200 (or $400 for filing jointly), or when he formed a new entitlement program. This begs the question, why is acceptable for a Republican to redistribute wealth and bailout industry, but a Dem who suggests rebuilding our infrastructure and investing in education gets the Bastiat quotes?
You mean like the $800 billion stimulus package Obama got for shovel ready projects that went no where? Are you also saying the country needs to spend more money on education even though we already rank number one in spending in the world but don't even make the top 10 in scores?
And for your information many conversatives do not find the Bush bailouts acceptable. Shocking, I know.
Pfft...
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 02 2015,7:56 am
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As Bernie has said, it’s time for the wealthy and corporations to help pay our bills!
Ok Pinocchio. Why don't you define who is wealthy and show me statistics that support Bernie's claims that they don't help pay the bills.
I would bet money that someone like Trump who is both wealthy and an owner of several corporations has contributed more to the tax base in this country then Bernie could do in 10 life times.
Nuff said...
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,8:38 am
Your calling me a liar is laughable, Obama’s stimulus package was peanuts, the debt we’re accumulating is a direct result of the Bush Presidency (Wars, tax cuts, Medicare D, TARP, and the mother of all mothers of debt from the Great Recession/Depression) and the continued, to this day, Republican push to cut taxes for the well to do and corporations, it’s just total insanity, trickle down is a proven failure!The only reason you side with them is you’re one of them, you jumped up and down yelling kill kill kill when Bush lied US into Iraq, but when it comes to paying the bill you want no part of that!
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,8:45 am
The right way to make a federal budgetBy: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)
Los Angeles Times
Monday, October 28, 2013
A budget panel composed of Democratic, Republican and independent members of the Senate and House is working on ways to avoid another government shutdown like the nightmare we all were just forced to endure.
As a member of that committee, I realize that our $17-trillion national debt and $700-billion deficit are serious problems that must be addressed. But I also realize that real unemployment remains close to 14%, that tens of millions of Americans with jobs are paid horrendously low wages, that more Americans are now living in poverty than ever before, that wealth and income inequality in the U.S. is greater than in any other major country and that the gap between the very rich and everyone else is growing wider.
We must look at how we got here to make informed choices about where we go next.
How did we go from healthy surpluses to terrible deficits? It's not that complicated. In 2001, President Clinton left office with a $236-billion surplus. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office foresaw a 10-year budget surplus of $5.6 trillion, enough to erase the national debt by 2011. It didn't work out that way.
Instead, under President George W. Bush, wars were launched in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them. The cost of those wars, estimated at up to $6 trillion, was tacked onto our national credit card. Then Congress passed and Bush signed an expensive prescription drug program. It also was not paid for. Then Bush and Congress handed out big tax breaks to the wealthy and large corporations. That drove down revenue. So did the recession in 2008, which was caused by a deregulated Wall Street. All that turned big surpluses into big deficits.
Interestingly, today's "deficit hawks" in Congress — Rep.Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and other conservative Republicans — voted for those measures that drove up deficits. Now that they're worried about deficits again, they want to dismantle virtually every social program designed to protect working families, the elderly, children, the sick and the poor.
In other words, it's OK to spend trillions on a war we should never have waged in Iraq and to provide huge tax breaks for billionaires and multinational corporations. But in the midst of very difficult economic times, we just can't afford to protect the most vulnerable people in our country. That's their view. I disagree.
So where do we go from here? How do we draft a federal budget that creates jobs, makes our country more productive, protects working families and lowers the deficit?
For a start, we cannot impose more austerity on people who are already suffering. When 95% of all new income between 2009 and 2012 went to the top 1%, and while tens of millions of working Americans saw a decline in their income, we cannot cut programs that working families depend on.
Instead of talking about cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we must end the absurdity of corporations not paying a nickel in federal income taxes. A 2008 report from the Government Accountability Office found that was the case with 1 in 4 large U.S. corporations. At a time when multinational corporations and the wealthy are avoiding an estimated $100 billion a year in taxes by stashing money in tax havens like the Cayman Islands, we need to make them pay taxes just as middle-class Americans do.
While Congress in January finally ended Bush's tax breaks for the richest 1%, lower rates were left in place for the top 2%, those households earning between $250,000 and $450,000 a year. That must end.
At a time when we now spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined on defense, we can make judicious cuts in our armed forces without compromising our military capability.
And frankly, Congress must listen better. Some Republicans learned a hard lesson when the American people said it was wrong to shut down the government because some extreme right-wing members of Congress did not like the Affordable Care Act. Well, there's another lesson that I hope my Republican colleagues absorb. Poll after poll shows that Americans overwhelmingly do not want to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
In fact, according to a recent National Journal poll, 81% do not want to cut Medicare at all, 76% do not want to cut Social Security at all, and 60% do not want to cut Medicaid at all. Other polls make it clear that Americans believe that the wealthiest among us and large corporations must pay their fair share in taxes.
It is time to develop a federal budget that is moral and makes good economic sense. It is time to develop a budget that invests in our future by creating jobs, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and expanding educational opportunities. It is time for those who have so much to help with deficit reduction. It is time that we listen to what the American people want.
Bernie Sanders, an independent, represents Vermont in the U.S. Senate.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 02 2015,1:38 pm
Just because you think the drivel you spew is the truth doesn't make it so.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,4:04 pm
I like that about Republicans the evidence does not faze them.They are not at all bothered by the facts.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,4:05 pm
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 02 2015,4:47 pm
Funny numbers. Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 03 2015,6:46 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 02 2015,4:47 pm)
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Funny numbers.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Ok funny guy, show us what the real picture has been. Let's see the numbers.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 03 2015,7:20 am
What we have here is a prime example of Republican resistance, they can’t deal with the truth, so they change direction with smear tactics, first his reference to Hilary’s emails next comes Benghazi, anything to avoid the fact that Republican economic policy has been a total failure!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 03 2015,7:23 am
He's right Gman, the real unemployment rate is closer to 10%, this includes those who have quit looking for a job. If an unemployed person doesn't look for a job in more than 4 weeks they are not counted. If one is collecting extended unemployment benefits and prospects are poor why would the look for a job?Our labor partisipation rate is the lowest since the late seventies and there are a few here that remember crap employment prospects then. There are some who blame these numbers on baby boomers retiring but the sad fact is mom and pop are working not because they want to but because they have to.
Our GDP was up, wow, 2%
better considering last report was .02%Job creation was 233K barely above compasation for population growth.
It was declared years ago that we were out of a recession, a bad recession. The general rule is, the deeper the recession, the bigger the recovery, it ain't happening. Things such as bummercare, screams of $15 an hour and now possibly changing the rules on salaried overtime are killing any chance for strong economic growth
I'll have to give some credit to Expat with his signature line, to paraphrase " History is written by the victors" in our case "numbers are cooked by the party in power"
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 03 2015,8:35 am
(grassman @ Jul. 03 2015,6:46 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Jul. 02 2015,4:47 pm)
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Funny numbers.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Ok funny guy, show us what the real picture has been. Let's see the numbers.
Do your own research and fact finding. He is posting memes made up by who knows? Memes made by liberals that selectively take numbers to suit their needs and ideology.
If you really believe our REAL unemployment rate is at 5.5% than it doesn't matter what I say. You won't believe it anyway because you've already made your mind up and I'd be wasting my time.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 03 2015,9:00 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 03 2015,7:23 am)
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Our GDP was up, wow, 2% better considering last report was .02%
better considering last report was .02%like I said about Republicans the evidence does not faze them.
They are not at all bothered by the facts.
U.S Department of Commerce Bureau of Economic Analysis
RELEASE AT 8:30 A.M. EDT, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24, 2015
BEA 15-29
In the fourth quarter, real GDP increased 2.2 percent.
< http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 03 2015,9:10 am
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 03 2015,10:12 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 03 2015,8:35 am)
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If you really believe our REAL unemployment rate is at 5.5% than it doesn't matter what I say. You won't believe it anyway because you've already made your mind up and I'd be wasting my time.
Even Huff Post cant' candy coat the numbers and make them smell good.
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< U.S. Adds 223,000 Jobs In June; Unemployment Rate Falls To 5.3% >
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. employers added a solid 223,000 jobs in June, and the unemployment rate fell to 5.3 percent, a seven-year low. The numbers reflect a job market moving close to full health and raise expectations that the Federal Reserve will start raising interest rates as early as September.
The Labor Department said Thursday that the unemployment rate dropped from 5.5 percent in May. The rate fell mostly because many people out of work gave up on their job searches and were no longer counted as unemployed.
Other details in the report were less encouraging: The percentage of Americans working or looking for work fell to a 38-year low. Average hourly pay was flat. And employers added 60,000 fewer jobs in April and May than the government had previously estimated.
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. employers added a solid 223,000 jobs in June, and the unemployment rate fell to 5.3 percent, a seven-year low. The numbers reflect a job market moving close to full health and raise expectations that the Federal Reserve will start raising interest rates as early as September.
The Labor Department said Thursday that the unemployment rate dropped from 5.5 percent in May. The rate fell mostly because many people out of work gave up on their job searches and were no longer counted as unemployed.
Other details in the report were less encouraging: The percentage of Americans working or looking for work fell to a 38-year low. Average hourly pay was flat. And employers added 60,000 fewer jobs in April and May than the government had previously estimated.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 03 2015,11:43 am
^^From Irish's post 878 on the Repub. true colors thread,
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The economy has improved dramatically.
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Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 04 2015,1:56 am
If you're working 40 hours a week and complain about being in poverty then your doing it wrong. You think you're being cute but you make absolutely no sense. In one post you tout how well the economy is doing under Obama then in the next you bitch about people being in poverty. Obama must be responsible for that too?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,6:10 am
^The federal minimum wage for tipped employees, such as waiters and waitresses, nail salon workers, or parking attendants. $2.13 per hr. The federal minimum wage $7.25 per hr. X 40 X 52 = $15080. per yr. this income is not exempt from Federal/State/local tax or SS, Medicare withholding.
Since we are usually talking two dependents (Mother/Child) 2015 Federal Poverty Guidelines $15930.
Because some of the Nations most profitable employers won’t take care of their employees that burden is shifted to the taxpayer!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 04 2015,6:55 am
zen philosophy.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 04 2015,7:28 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 03 2015,8:35 am)
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(grassman @ Jul. 03 2015,6:46 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Jul. 02 2015,4:47 pm)
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Funny numbers.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Ok funny guy, show us what the real picture has been. Let's see the numbers.
Do your own research and fact finding. He is posting memes made up by who knows? Memes made by liberals that selectively take numbers to suit their needs and ideology.
If you really believe our REAL unemployment rate is at 5.5% than it doesn't matter what I say. You won't believe it anyway because you've already made your mind up and I'd be wasting my time.
Cop out. Share your knowledge. Give us the numbers.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 04 2015,5:38 pm
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(Common Citizen @ Jul. 03 2015,8:35 am)
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(grassman @ Jul. 03 2015,6:46 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Jul. 02 2015,4:47 pm)
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Funny numbers.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Delete emails and claim that servers were erased and the world is all good.
Ok funny guy, show us what the real picture has been. Let's see the numbers.
Do your own research and fact finding. He is posting memes made up by who knows? Memes made by liberals that selectively take numbers to suit their needs and ideology.
If you really believe our REAL unemployment rate is at 5.5% than it doesn't matter what I say. You won't believe it anyway because you've already made your mind up and I'd be wasting my time.
Cop out. Share your knowledge. Give us the numbers.
Nope. You need to read for yourself. Like I told my kids, you won't learn anything if others do the work for you.
It will mean more to you if you do the research rather than coming from me.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 04 2015,5:43 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 04 2015,6:10 am)
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^The federal minimum wage for tipped employees, such as waiters and waitresses, nail salon workers, or parking attendants. $2.13 per hr.
The federal minimum wage $7.25 per hr. X 40 X 52 = $15080. per yr. this income is not exempt from Federal/State/local tax or SS, Medicare withholding.
Since we are usually talking two dependents (Mother/Child) 2015 Federal Poverty Guidelines $15930.
Because some of the Nations most profitable employers won’t take care of their employees that burden is shifted to the taxpayer!
The federal minimum wage $7.25 per hr. X 40 X 52 = $15080. per yr. this income is not exempt from Federal/State/local tax or SS, Medicare withholding.
Since we are usually talking two dependents (Mother/Child) 2015 Federal Poverty Guidelines $15930.
Because some of the Nations most profitable employers won’t take care of their employees that burden is shifted to the taxpayer!
B.s. If you're making 15k you're getting more back from the gov't than you paid in. If you pay in at all.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,9:03 pm
@CC So who pays for the Earned Income Tax Credit, in this case it’s not all that much but when you multiply that by the number people working low wage jobs add other social safety net programs the Taxpayer is being hosed by employers who can well afford to pay a living wage!< http://apps.irs.gov/app...40i.pdf >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,9:09 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,9:11 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,9:15 am
Ah yes, socialismThink Greece
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,8:03 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,9:15 am)
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Ah yes, socialism
Think Greece
Think Greece
Dumbo, Greece is a capitalist country, the problem Greece is facing is similar trickledown economics, austerity measures have crippled the economy, you can’t create revenue by transferring all the wealth to the top 1%. and off shoring the profit to avoid taxation.
Capitalism is collapsing in the place where, almost 2,500 years ago Philosophy and Democracy were born.
Capitalism needs to reinvent itself, if that means Bernie Sanders version of capitalism so be it!
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 06 2015,9:01 pm
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< Why are we ignoring this colossal socialist failure >?
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< Socialism’s Greek Staring Contest >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,9:28 pm
^^Tax evasionMain article: Tax evasion and corruption in Greece
Greece suffers from very high levels of tax evasion. In the last quarter of 2005, tax evasion reached 49%,[183] while in January 2006 it fell to 41.6%.[183] A study by researchers from the University of Chicago concluded that tax evasion in 2009 by self-employed professionals alone in Greece (accountants, dentists, lawyers, doctors, personal tutors and independent financial advisers) was €28 billion or 31% of the budget deficit that year.[184]
The Tax Justice Network has said that there are over €20 billion in Swiss bank accounts held by Greeks.[185] The former Finance Minister of Greece, Evangelos Venizelos, was quoted as saying, "Around 15,000 individuals and companies owe the taxman 37 billion euros".[186] Additionally, the TJN puts the number of Greek-owned off-shore companies to over 10,000
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...pocrisy >
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Greece >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 06 2015,9:34 pm
^^Walter Mitty speaks
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2015,6:43 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,7:33 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 06 2015,8:03 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 06 2015,9:15 am)
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Ah yes, socialism
Think Greece
Think Greece
Dumbo, Greece is a capitalist country, the problem Greece is facing is similar trickledown economics, austerity measures have crippled the economy, you can’t create revenue by transferring all the wealth to the top 1%. and off shoring the profit to avoid taxation.
Capitalism is collapsing in the place where, almost 2,500 years ago Philosophy and Democracy were born.
Capitalism needs to reinvent itself, if that means Bernie Sanders version of capitalism so be it!
With near 30% of it's workforce in the public sector
Yep, that's capitalism
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2015,11:12 am
Governments are big employers no matter the country, Not sure where the 30% figure came frombut I did find a 14.1 % similar to that of the US, but, it’s a business magazine and not a reliable source.
The Gallup data is interesting, it shows our 10 highest states for government employees and the 10 lowest
Alaska and Hawaii must be Socialist States in your opinion
< http://www.gallup.com/poll...nt.aspx >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 07 2015,11:26 am
Yeah, let's keep lowering taxes. Nothing bad can happen, right?
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 07 2015,12:30 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 07 2015,7:33 am)
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With near 30% of it's workforce in the public sector
Yep, that's capitalism
Yep, that's capitalism
Here's what I think is odd, most of the conservatives who tout laissez faire capitalism are the same ones who also say we need to be more like communist China.
Gore Vidal once debated William Buckley in the 60's, this was Vidal's view:
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They do believe in spreading the money amongst themselves, and they get through big business, far more subsidies. As a matter of fact we have a situation in the United States where they believe Socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor.
I wouldn't phrase it that way, obviously the poorest can get subsidies or assistance, it's the middle class that's told the values of free enterprise and break or bust, while the richest have a far easier time turning financial (including environmental) risks into an externality.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2015,1:09 pm
^^ once again, the evil rich I need to research the "herd mentality" if I could tap into it I could be evil rich too😄
Naw, scratch that, if I wanted to tap into the herd mentality all I'd have to do is become a democrat politician.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,9:25 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,11:34 am
Was Bernie in Vietnam?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,3:06 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,3:38 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,3:42 pm
Was Bernie in Vietnam
Posted by grassman on Jul. 08 2015,5:37 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 07 2015,1:09 pm)
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^^ once again, the evil rich
I need to research the "herd mentality" if I could tap into it I could be evil rich too��
Naw, scratch that, if I wanted to tap into the herd mentality all I'd have to do is become a democrat politician.
I need to research the "herd mentality" if I could tap into it I could be evil rich too��
Naw, scratch that, if I wanted to tap into the herd mentality all I'd have to do is become a democrat politician.
You come back all snarkey, is what he said untrue?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 08 2015,5:52 pm
Contrary to progressive beliefs a lot of the rich were once middle class.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,6:09 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 08 2015,6:26 pm
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 08 2015,10:20 pm
Earn it. Get some grit. Do what you need to do to get to the next level. Most poor people born and raised in this country lack the grit and intestinal fortitude to change what they are used to. If you can't change in this country despite those on Wall Street then you are really in a pile of sh!t. People come from around the world in worse conditions and can make it. Why? Because they weren't enabled by socialist leaning politicians like Sanders. Our government handouts have made the poor to comfortable, to soft, and now they want more without any reciprocation. Nuff said.
Posted by stardust14 on Jul. 08 2015,11:41 pm
Or some humans have enough dignity not to crawl underneath and suck from Wallstreet tit. Your choice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 09 2015,4:36 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 08 2015,10:20 pm)
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Earn it. Get some grit. Do what you need to do to get to the next level. Most poor people born and raised in this country lack the grit and intestinal fortitude to change what they are used to. If you can't change in this country despite those on Wall Street then you are really in a pile of sh!t. People come from around the world in worse conditions and can make it. Why? Because they weren't enabled by socialist leaning politicians like Sanders. Our government handouts have made the poor to comfortable, to soft, and now they want more without any reciprocation.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
It doesn't get any better said
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 09 2015,7:43 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 08 2015,10:20 pm)
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Earn it. Get some grit. Do what you need to do to get to the next level. Most poor people born and raised in this country lack the grit and intestinal fortitude to change what they are used to. If you can't change in this country despite those on Wall Street then you are really in a pile of sh!t. People come from around the world in worse conditions and can make it. Why? Because they weren't enabled by socialist leaning politicians like Sanders. Our government handouts have made the poor to comfortable, to soft, and now they want more without any reciprocation.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
@ CC, that may have been true 30 years ago, but look at places like Wisconsin, the largest employer is Wall-Mart, what’s that say.
Not that it can’t be done as you suggest for a few, but opportunities are limited by the economic policies we adopted as a Nation.
We’ve got real problems, when work doesn’t pay we all pay! We need to turn this around, we’re all in the same boat and it's sinking.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,9:10 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,11:06 am
Perhaps they'll be able to turn the plant into a WalMart distribution center.< http://www.usatoday.com/story...9921307 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,1:38 pm
I’m sure you’re tickled pink about more good paying jobs going south, just one more reason we need Bernie!
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 10 2015,2:02 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,2:27 pm
Face it piss poor policies and taxin by both sides but exspecially the dems have destroyed DetroitDo I think Ford moving is funny? no. Do I see the possibility of maybe people might see the light and vote the progressives out?
One can only hope
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 10 2015,3:03 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 10 2015,11:06 am)
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Perhaps they'll be able to turn the plant into a WalMart distribution center.
They're doing something already with the Walmart buildings.
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,3:31 pm
^^I can get you a deal on these cans, right down to the heavy doors and bars on the windows
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 10 2015,3:39 pm
This
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 10 2015,6:57 pm
Trump vs. the liberal socialist, and the govts. of Mexico, China, and Russia. Bernie will be sent packing early to his local assisted living facility if he has to debate Trump.
Nuff said.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 10 2015,7:07 pm
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 10 2015,6:57 pm)
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Bernie will be sent packing early to his local assisted living facility if he has to debate Trump.
Riiiight...
Your heroes are falling out of favor...
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 10 2015,8:16 pm
Aside from the Jeb and W pic. What is it about that Trump says you disagree with?
Posted by grassman on Jul. 10 2015,11:03 pm
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 10 2015,8:16 pm)
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Aside from the Jeb and W pic. What is it about that Trump says you disagree with?
Probably, that he says that he is the best president this country could ever have? He sucks off everyone else. Doesn't work, file bankruptcy. Oh ya, you make a living off of other people's money too. Never mind.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 11 2015,6:33 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 10 2015,2:27 pm)
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Face it piss poor policies and taxin by both sides but exspecially the dems have destroyed Detroit
Do I think Ford moving is funny? no. Do I see the possibility of maybe people might see the light and vote the progressives out?
One can only hope
Do I think Ford moving is funny? no. Do I see the possibility of maybe people might see the light and vote the progressives out?
One can only hope
I’ll assume besides taxation, you’re talking wages, even if the unions allowed the wages to roll back to the minimum 7.25 per hr.
that wage still couldn’t compete with the third world wage of .50 an hour.
As for taxation, we have to pay our Nations bills, I see no reason why corporations shouldn’t help, unfortunately depending on the year 1 out of 3 or 1 out 4 corporations pay no tax and actually get tax rebates, many corporations are outright government subsidized.
As for voting progressives out, they opposed the TPP, the Republicans to a man voted to pass this unfair trade bill, there’s little doubt the Republican Party is a wholly owned Corporate subsidy.
Bernie may have come out of the blue for most of you, I’ve been reading his posts and following him for years, he’s consistent, doesn’t wavier or flip flop. He's the only candidate opposed to hosing the working class.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 11 2015,6:56 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2015,8:32 am
^^so you're saying anyone that doesn't get their hands dirty doesn't work?Sorry, this post was meant for Grassman
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2015,8:37 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 11 2015,6:33 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 10 2015,2:27 pm)
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Face it piss poor policies and taxin by both sides but exspecially the dems have destroyed Detroit
Do I think Ford moving is funny? no. Do I see the possibility of maybe people might see the light and vote the progressives out?
One can only hope
Do I think Ford moving is funny? no. Do I see the possibility of maybe people might see the light and vote the progressives out?
One can only hope
I’ll assume besides taxation, you’re talking wages, even if the unions allowed the wages to roll back to the minimum 7.25 per hr.
that wage still couldn’t compete with the third world wage of .50 an hour.
As for taxation, we have to pay our Nations bills, I see no reason why corporations shouldn’t help, unfortunately depending on the year 1 out of 3 or 1 out 4 corporations pay no tax and actually get tax rebates, many corporations are outright government subsidized.
As for voting progressives out, they opposed the TPP, the Republicans to a man voted to pass this unfair trade bill, there’s little doubt the Republican Party is a wholly owned Corporate subsidy.
Bernie may have come out of the blue for most of you, I’ve been reading his posts and following him for years, he’s consistent, doesn’t wavier or flip flop. He's the only candidate opposed to hosing the working class.
I had some t-shirts come in the mail yesterday that I had ordered, very nice quality at a decent price. The store was Duluth Trading
the country of manufacture is Vietnam
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 11 2015,11:31 am
Yes, because God forbid we make T-shirts here. Imagine the horror.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 11 2015,11:56 am
If they're the same quality and a similar price I have no objections to buying here.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 11 2015,12:32 pm
Posted by grassman on Jul. 11 2015,3:34 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 11 2015,8:32 am)
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^^so you're saying anyone that doesn't get their hands dirty doesn't work?
Sorry, this post was meant for Grassman
Sorry, this post was meant for Grassman
I never said that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2015,7:38 am
(grassman @ Jul. 11 2015,3:34 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 11 2015,8:32 am)
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^^so you're saying anyone that doesn't get their hands dirty doesn't work?
Sorry, this post was meant for Grassman
Sorry, this post was meant for Grassman
I never said that.
So you're saying Trump doesn't work then. My bet is that he's one driven individual, people like that don't get rich by putting the ship on autopilot. He's probably a micro manager and is most likely quite brilliant.
If he were to get the nomination the debates would be colorful.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 12 2015,8:16 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 12 2015,7:38 am)
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My bet is that he's one driven individual, people like that don't get rich by putting the ship on autopilot.
He got rich the same way that Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers got rich; he had a dad who was rich, and he waited.
Nothing wrong with inherited wealth, but I get sick of hearing all of this talk about him being a self-made man or a smart business person. When you're handed a real estate empire worth hundreds of millions of dollars, it's pretty hard to screw that up. But if you do fail in one corporation, you file for bankruptcy to protect your others assets, wipe the slate, and start over under another. Just ask Romney.
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He's probably a micro manager and is most likely quite brilliant.
Brilliant, which interview or speech does he come off brilliant? He does a lot of bragging and big promises, but when you ask him how he'll do it he trails off like a bad Sarah Palin interview. And considering how many voters are Hispanic, it's bizarre that he would insult people from Mexico in his announcement speech.
I haven't considered him as a serious candidate, it's more like when the porn star ran for President to gain publicity. Either way, liberals are just as happy to see Trump run as conservatives.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 12 2015,9:25 am
bump: 9:30 AM
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 12 2015,9:34 am
1. Don't confuse bragging with confidence2. If people like you and the media rail on him for any faults he has, he has a right to tell you his successes.
3. You're fellow wealthy liberals such as Warren Buffet have all used the bankruptcy laws to help them at one time or another.
4. Trump took his dad's boutique real estate company only doing business in Manhatten at the time and grew it into the empire it is today.
5. Jealousy can fog a persons perception on any given topic.
6. No one watches Disgrace the Nation any more.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 12 2015,12:19 pm
^Fred Trump wasn’t quite the boutique entrepreneur you suggest, Fred made his fortune selling housing to returning WW2 veterans, this was made possible by FHA, VA backed loans for the retuning service men. So it was Keynesian style Government policy that provided the path to the original Trump fortune, as well as that of many other moguls.Had a laissez-faire Republican Government existed after WW2 we’d still be in a depression.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump >
Donald Trump had a silver spoon, private school lifestyle, so far out of touch with the reality of the working class he hasn’t got a clue.
Donald did expand on his inherited wealth/business, to the point he was over leveraged and used bankruptcy laws to keep his property and leave 70 Banks on the hook for a loss.
Banks have the ability to write off a loss, meaning a tax right off, meaning less revenue for the government, meaning a debt transfer to the Taxpayer.
The smell of cronyism is all over this kind of deal, If I didn’t pay my mortgage would the bank allow me to renege on
my loan and keep my property, doubtful, I’d be on the street.
This guy pays himself 60 million a year, but uses corporate laws to separate his personal fortune from his business ventures.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2015,4:07 pm
(irisheyes @ Jul. 12 2015,8:16 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 12 2015,7:38 am)
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My bet is that he's one driven individual, people like that don't get rich by putting the ship on autopilot.
He got rich the same way that Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers got rich; he had a dad who was rich, and he waited.
Nothing wrong with inherited wealth, but I get sick of hearing all of this talk about him being a self-made man or a smart business person. When you're handed a real estate empire worth hundreds of millions of dollars, it's pretty hard to screw that up. But if you do fail in one corporation, you file for bankruptcy to protect your others assets, wipe the slate, and start over under another. Just ask Romney.
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He's probably a micro manager and is most likely quite brilliant.
Brilliant, which interview or speech does he come off brilliant? He does a lot of bragging and big promises, but when you ask him how he'll do it he trails off like a bad Sarah Palin interview. And considering how many voters are Hispanic, it's bizarre that he would insult people from Mexico in his announcement speech.
Yes, he took over daddy's multi million $$ empire and turned it into a world wide billion dollar empire, not self made but in some of your historic posts you think nobody's self made.
As far as brilliance? Let's see, for the most part we have a bunch of mealy mouthed repubs who are scared of their own shadow and for the Dems a recovering stroke victim who's deathly afraid of the press and a socialist who's never held a real job in his life( no, I don't count being a supposed carpenter in an Isreali commune a job)
If in business for yourself one alway isolates or insures ones personal assets.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2015,4:45 pm
But this thread is about the king of Bullsh!t< http://elenaives.com/2011/04/05/bernie-sanders-socialist-liar/ >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 12 2015,5:00 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2015,5:10 pm
^^There he is, the king of Bullsh!t on one of the puppet media channels
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 12 2015,5:24 pm
< http://allenbwest.com/2014...-wallet >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 13 2015,10:09 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 13 2015,10:47 am
^*
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 13 2015,1:11 pm
^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 13 2015,1:48 pm
1. I have a job, it's my business2. I have a pension, did it myself
3. Yeah, let's get deadbeats on both sides of the economic equation to pay their fair share.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 13 2015,6:35 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 12 2015,12:19 pm)
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^Fred Trump wasn’t quite the boutique entrepreneur you suggest, Fred made his fortune selling housing to returning WW2 veterans, this was made possible by FHA, VA backed loans for the retuning service men. So it was Keynesian style Government policy that provided the path to the original Trump fortune, as well as that of many other moguls.
Had a laissez-faire Republican Government existed after WW2 we’d still be in a depression.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump >
Donald Trump had a silver spoon, private school lifestyle, so far out of touch with the reality of the working class he hasn’t got a clue.
Donald did expand on his inherited wealth/business, to the point he was over leveraged and used bankruptcy laws to keep his property and leave 70 Banks on the hook for a loss.
Banks have the ability to write off a loss, meaning a tax right off, meaning less revenue for the government, meaning a debt transfer to the Taxpayer.
The smell of cronyism is all over this kind of deal, If I didn’t pay my mortgage would the bank allow me to renege on
my loan and keep my property, doubtful, I’d be on the street.
This guy pays himself 60 million a year, but uses corporate laws to separate his personal fortune from his business ventures.
Had a laissez-faire Republican Government existed after WW2 we’d still be in a depression.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump >
Donald Trump had a silver spoon, private school lifestyle, so far out of touch with the reality of the working class he hasn’t got a clue.
Donald did expand on his inherited wealth/business, to the point he was over leveraged and used bankruptcy laws to keep his property and leave 70 Banks on the hook for a loss.
Banks have the ability to write off a loss, meaning a tax right off, meaning less revenue for the government, meaning a debt transfer to the Taxpayer.
The smell of cronyism is all over this kind of deal, If I didn’t pay my mortgage would the bank allow me to renege on
my loan and keep my property, doubtful, I’d be on the street.
This guy pays himself 60 million a year, but uses corporate laws to separate his personal fortune from his business ventures.
Poor baby.que violins
So does Warren Buffet. And if you really want to get pissed, how do Bill and Hillary Clinton command over 500k for a speaking engagement? What exactly are people really buying? It's a mad, mad world we live in.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 14 2015,7:22 am
Minnesota, we need Bernie, on a National level 63% of eligible voters failed to vote in the last election.Minnesota has open caucuses.
You can vote for a Bernie Sanders regardless of registered party.
Minnesotans for Bernie: Just register to vote! < https://mnvotes.sos.state.mn.us/voterre...1.aspx >
Only 17? If you will be 18 by November 8, 2016, you can vote in the primaries!
Primary: Tuesday, March 8, 2016
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 14 2015,2:51 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 14 2015,4:02 pm
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 13 2015,6:35 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Jul. 12 2015,12:19 pm)
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^Fred Trump wasn’t quite the boutique entrepreneur you suggest, Fred made his fortune selling housing to returning WW2 veterans, this was made possible by FHA, VA backed loans for the retuning service men. So it was Keynesian style Government policy that provided the path to the original Trump fortune, as well as that of many other moguls.
Had a laissez-faire Republican Government existed after WW2 we’d still be in a depression.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump >
Donald Trump had a silver spoon, private school lifestyle, so far out of touch with the reality of the working class he hasn’t got a clue.
Donald did expand on his inherited wealth/business, to the point he was over leveraged and used bankruptcy laws to keep his property and leave 70 Banks on the hook for a loss.
Banks have the ability to write off a loss, meaning a tax right off, meaning less revenue for the government, meaning a debt transfer to the Taxpayer.
The smell of cronyism is all over this kind of deal, If I didn’t pay my mortgage would the bank allow me to renege on
my loan and keep my property, doubtful, I’d be on the street.
This guy pays himself 60 million a year, but uses corporate laws to separate his personal fortune from his business ventures.
Had a laissez-faire Republican Government existed after WW2 we’d still be in a depression.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump >
Donald Trump had a silver spoon, private school lifestyle, so far out of touch with the reality of the working class he hasn’t got a clue.
Donald did expand on his inherited wealth/business, to the point he was over leveraged and used bankruptcy laws to keep his property and leave 70 Banks on the hook for a loss.
Banks have the ability to write off a loss, meaning a tax right off, meaning less revenue for the government, meaning a debt transfer to the Taxpayer.
The smell of cronyism is all over this kind of deal, If I didn’t pay my mortgage would the bank allow me to renege on
my loan and keep my property, doubtful, I’d be on the street.
This guy pays himself 60 million a year, but uses corporate laws to separate his personal fortune from his business ventures.
Poor baby.que violins
So does Warren Buffet. And if you really want to get pissed, how do Bill and Hillary Clinton command over 500k for a speaking engagement? What exactly are people really buying? It's a mad, mad world we live in.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 14 2015,4:10 pm
^^ Stroke lady, Buster and Bullsh!t Bernie have never run a business.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 14 2015,6:01 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 14 2015,7:22 am)
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Minnesota, we need Bernie, on a National level 63% of eligible voters failed to vote in the last election.
Minnesota has open caucuses.
You can vote for a Bernie Sanders regardless of registered party.
Minnesotans for Bernie: Just register to vote! < https://mnvotes.sos.state.mn.us/voterre...1.aspx >
Only 17? If you will be 18 by November 8, 2016, you can vote in the primaries!
Primary: Tuesday, March 8, 2016
Minnesota has open caucuses.
You can vote for a Bernie Sanders regardless of registered party.
Minnesotans for Bernie: Just register to vote! < https://mnvotes.sos.state.mn.us/voterre...1.aspx >
Only 17? If you will be 18 by November 8, 2016, you can vote in the primaries!
Primary: Tuesday, March 8, 2016
In just one post you've done something more useful than all of Common Citizen's, Mad-dog's and whats-his-name's posts combined.
I think they should all take Liberal's advice and pick up a book already. If they're all that board and have so much free time.
Read Atlas Shrugged a few times like that one person here did.
The truck driver for sure should.
Dear lord. . .
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 14 2015,6:05 pm
Interestingly enough their blank ignored spaces here have the same intrinsic value as the ones where you can actually see their drivel.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 14 2015,6:48 pm
^^ did we fall off the wagon again?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 14 2015,7:14 pm
Since we're on this subject and Bullsh!t Bernie endorsed the deal, wow, did Iran get a deal, they still get to play with uranium, it's reported that with sanctions lifted their economy should grow 7-8% for many years( I wish Buster would push for our economy to grow that much per year😡) They've got a 14 day prior notice of inspection (Buster actually tried to infer that he was being "Reaganisk" by verifying)IMHO, Israel will strike before the end of Buster's term, guess we'll see
< http://www.wsj.com/article...6861667 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 15 2015,7:17 am
Maybe the Republicans should read the Document before they take US to war again, they’ve been trying to undermine this treaty since day one.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 15 2015,8:10 am
^^ have we picked up a book now??If you're reading Sun Tzu you should study more, a world of enlightenment awaits you.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 15 2015,7:01 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 16 2015,6:25 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 16 2015,6:36 am
Work harder and smarter? Why? What reason can anyone give that justifies this? Why are the rich entitled to so much more, and the rest of us so much less?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 16 2015,1:33 pm
^^< http://townhall.com/columni...ull >
Posted by grassman on Jul. 16 2015,2:26 pm
^^^propaganda from a right wing rag. If Michael Moore makes more than $20 why shouldn't CEOS? WHAT RUBBISH. Come on SB, I hope you are smarter than that. If not, who starts your truck for you? You just will not admit that the way has been paved for the wealthy. Facts don't lie.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 16 2015,2:42 pm
(grassman @ Jul. 16 2015,2:26 pm)
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^^^propaganda from a right wing rag. If Michael Moore makes more than $20 why shouldn't CEOS? WHAT RUBBISH. Come on SB, I hope you are smarter than that. If not, who starts your truck for you? You just will not admit that the way has been paved for the wealthy. Facts don't lie.
You just will not admit that the way has been paved for the wealthy. Facts don't lie.You must have terrible ulcers eating all the bitter little pills. I had always figured you one step above a mule skinner.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 16 2015,4:29 pm
(grassman @ Jul. 16 2015,2:26 pm)
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^^^propaganda from a right wing rag. If Michael Moore makes more than $20 why shouldn't CEOS? WHAT RUBBISH. Come on SB, I hope you are smarter than that. If not, who starts your truck for you? You just will not admit that the way has been paved for the wealthy. Facts don't lie.
You just will not admit that the way has been paved for the wealthy. Facts don't lie.Is life that sh!tty for you? Did you not get any encouragement growing up? Are you that pathetically inept that you can't advance in life? Wow! If not, you should be ashamed of yourself.
It's all out there pal, go out and get some.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 16 2015,5:26 pm
Ya, Ya, Ya, I get it... you and Trump are loaded.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 16 2015,8:37 pm
I think what SB is trying to say instead of worrying about what others have, go get yours. It will always be harder for some than others but instead of sulking in your own pile of doodoo pick yourself up and get moving.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 16 2015,9:24 pm
I don't give a frak about what others have. I'm speaking to the notion that 40 hours' work at the exact same work is worth less and less with each passing year. If the price of simply everything goes up over time, the price of labor should keep pace with that. Anything less is long-term economic suicide. Oh, that's right - you union-hating corporate apologists don't believe in long-term anything.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2015,4:47 am
^^Forty hours? That's kinda part time in my book. CC comes close, I never intended to drive truck my whole life but I get up everyday and look forward to going to work. I "hunt" everyday to improve my situation. Don't believe in long term? Nothing lasts forever.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 17 2015,7:27 am
Posted by grassman on Jul. 17 2015,7:35 am
Well the fix to this is so simple. Everyone just needs to be a CEO. This isn't rocket science folks. Right SB, CC, MD?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2015,7:44 am
^^Sure, strike out on your own, it's the American way Stop whining about your situation and change it but don't expect help if you fall down.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2015,7:47 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 17 2015,7:27 am)
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May I suggest moving to Canada for you then?
Posted by Marneman on Jul. 18 2015,2:30 am
I just like to follow Teddy Roosevelt's idea on this subject (and I'm paraphrasing his quote)"It's okay for a business owner to make a profit, but not an obscence amount of profit"
What CEO make today is obscence. Unfortuantly this is the fallout of the 70's "Me" generation and the 80's Wall street greed is good mentality.
CEO and other top company officials in this country have been allowed to get away with this BS too long. Not to mention corporations allowed to skimp on their taxes. Now I consider myself a mostly conservative Republican, but what CEO's and Corporations are doing today is not good business and not good for the country.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2015,6:32 am
@ Mareman
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2015,7:35 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,8:01 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2015,8:06 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2015,8:34 am
Trickledown has failed US miserably, it’s far past time to rescind all the Reagan era policy and send the Republican party into extinction.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,8:46 am
^^yes, let's embrace mediocrity and socialism.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 20 2015,10:52 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 20 2015,8:46 am)
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^^yes, let's embrace mediocrity and socialism.
As opposed to what? Crony capitalism?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,11:48 am
^^nope, just capitalism, it works just fine.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 20 2015,12:44 pm
That's the dumbest, least-informed thing you've ever posted.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,1:00 pm
^^ At what level do you participate in the economy? I figure I'm somewhere in the middle and for the most part the more effort I put into work the more I get out of it.Now how is that dumb or uninformed?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,2:06 pm
I see Bullsh!t Bernie had a tough time< http://dailycaller.com/2015...ference >
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 20 2015,8:17 pm
We all know why the Bernie Sanders campaign is attractive to expat. It's because he believes he has no more chance at upward mobility. He's given up. He's peaked out in his career. He feels his opportunities are over which makes socialism more appealing. That's really why socialism is attractive to people who've thrown in the towel. It's easier. Nothing personal. Just pointing out the obvious.
Nuff said.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 21 2015,7:20 am
@ CC, I’m retired from a supervisory slot in electric production, utility worker’s are one of the last bastions of well paying jobs, even the coal-handlers are knocking out over $75,000 a year. So why would I be concerned with those on the lower rungs of society, when the bottom half of the ladder fails the whole thing is useless. My attraction to Bernie Sanders is for the success of our nation. The Social Security Administration released wage statistics for 2013, and the numbers are startling. 50 percent of all American workers made less than $28,031, and 39 percent of all American workers made less than $20,000. If you worked a full-time job at $10 an hour all year long with two weeks off, you would make $20,000. So the fact that 39 percent of all workers made less than that amount is rather telling. This is more evidence of the declining quality of the jobs in this country. In many homes in America today, both parents are working multiple jobs in a desperate attempt to make ends meet. Our paychecks are stagnant while the cost of living just continues to soar. And the jobs that are being added to the economy pay a lot less than the jobs lost in the last recession. In fact, it has been estimated that the jobs that have been created since the last recession pay an average of 23 percent less than the jobs that were lost. We are witnessing the slow-motion destruction of the middle class, and very few of our leaders seem to care.
Does the economy function better when one billionaire buys a Bentley or when 100 middleclass folks buy a ford?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2015,7:50 am
< http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...um-wage >
Posted by grassman on Jul. 21 2015,7:58 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 21 2015,7:20 am)
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Does the economy function better when one billionaire buys a Bentley or when 100 middleclass folks buy a ford?
Well put!
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 21 2015,8:07 am
(grassman @ Jul. 21 2015,7:58 am)
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(Expatriate @ Jul. 21 2015,7:20 am)
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Does the economy function better when one billionaire buys a Bentley or when 100 middleclass folks buy a ford?
Well put!
Chances are the billionaire owns a company that employs thousands of people making it possible for them to buy Fords in the first place, if they so choose. So I am going with the billionaire. To use your logic.
Truth is that we need both the billionaire and the 100 laborers. It's not an either/or proposition.
Nuff said.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 22 2015,4:55 am
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 20 2015,8:17 pm)
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He feels his opportunities are over which makes socialism more appealing. That's really why socialism is attractive to people who've thrown in the towel. It's easier.
We've been a mixed economy for a long time. The problem is Reagan and Bush were so busy bailing out the billionaires while the 100 workers in your scenario got a laid off and foreclosed on. There's nothing radical about focusing on what gave us a strong middle class in the first place. Education, infrastructure, and stopping the trend of making the 99% pay for the bailouts of the 1.
I understand where you're coming from, but all this rhetoric about grit and throwing in the towel sounds more like a pep talk before an arm wrestling contest; since the subject is economics I'd rather focus on sound principles. We need to grow the economy by bringing high-wage jobs in science & technology a priority again, and the only way to do that is to invest in education and infrastructure. The conservatives are busy telling our kids to stay out of college (because they don't want to invest in secondary education), and that it's better to have regressive taxes raised on them because the Walton and Trump heirs would rather not pay taxes at all on their inheritance or capital gains.
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Truth is that we need both the billionaire and the 100 laborers. It's not an either/or proposition.
We're in total agreement on this. I want to see just as many billionaires as you do, we need a win-win situation for anyone who wants to work hard and/or work smart, and move up in America. Not just for a few who started out rich already.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 22 2015,6:14 am
< http://www.businessinsider.com/top-100...-2011-1 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 22 2015,7:52 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 22 2015,8:06 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 23 2015,7:55 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 23 2015,10:40 am
In the year 2015, a job must lift workers out of poverty, not keep them in it. The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage and must be raised to a living wage. Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 23 2015,10:51 am
^^ minimum wage is meant for young workers kids just out of school, if you're 40 years old and making minimum wage you probably have a few more problems than more money can cure.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,6:35 am
Posted by grassman on Jul. 24 2015,6:47 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 23 2015,10:51 am)
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^^ minimum wage is meant for young workers kids just out of school, if you're 40 years old and making minimum wage you probably have a few more problems than more money can cure.
So condescending.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,7:44 am
^^^and I get to agree with that one too. The pic part.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,8:02 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,8:09 am
Ol' Bullsh!t's been out of the news cycle as of late.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,8:13 am
< http://www.wsj.com/articles/bidenmania-1437672602 >He wouldn't be as stupid as Bullsh!t but that ain't sayin' much.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2015,11:28 am
Hmm...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,12:17 pm
< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-evi...2557106 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,1:12 pm
^^The Washington Examiner is a political journalism publication based in Washington, D.C., that distributes its content via daily online reports and a weekly magazine. It is owned by MediaDC, a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group,which is owned by Denver billionaire Philip Anschutz and which also owns the influential conservative opinion magazine The Weekly Standard. From 2005 to mid-2013, the Examiner published a daily tabloid-sized newspaper, distributed free throughout the Washington, D.C. metro area, largely focused on local news and conservative commentary. In other words it’s just right-wing propaganda!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,1:25 pm
^^ yes and most of the bs you post from are left wing, what's your point?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,1:55 pm
When you post complete tripe about increasing the minimum wage and job loss I’m going point it out as such!You’d better check into the 2008 financial crisis and economic collapse brought to you by your boy Bush and his supply-sider trickle down deregulate voodoo bologna.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,7:11 pm
...and when you post complete crap (which is most the time)I'm here to point it out.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2015,7:59 am
True then true now, Republicans have always represented the greedy few..
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 25 2015,9:28 am
And there you have it folks. Unintended consequences when people get what they want. What do you suppose the politicians with ideologies like Sanders will want to do now for these people? It doesn't take a genius to answer that.QUOTE
Some workers across the city are left telling bosses to give them fewer hours at the higher wage because a full week’s earnings now puts them past the threshold for some welfare payments such as food stamps and assistance with rent.
Of course, one of the things that supporters of the higher wage said was that they wanted to help lift min. wage workers out of poverty and welfare.
Only last week, for instance, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti claimed that a $15 min. wage in his city would lift 600,000 out of poverty. Self-avowed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
16%, a VT Senator and a candidate for the Democrat nomination in 2016, also recently claimed that a $15 min. wage would “lift millions” of Americans out of poverty, off welfare, and into the buying public.
But now some workers in Seattle are finding that the higher wage is forcing them off the welfare programs they would rather stay enrolled in and, instead of celebrating their higher income, they are imposing fewer work hours on themselves in order to stay on assistance.
< My Webpage >
I apologize in advance to expat for not posting this in a meme format. I hope he can still comprehend the article.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2015,10:03 am
If you’d read anything I’ve post about a living wage it’s all about people making it on their own without taxpayer assistance.yeah that’s a real nonbiased link, it’s a right-wing political blog spewing misleading half-truths and outright lies.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2015,10:46 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 25 2015,10:56 am
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But now some workers in Seattle are finding that the higher wage is forcing them off the welfare programs they would rather stay enrolled in and, instead of celebrating their higher income, they are imposing fewer work hours on themselves in order to stay on assistance.
This actually does happen. We have one at work. Only works so many hours, as to not disrupt the gravy train. So they are out there.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 25 2015,1:06 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 25 2015,10:03 am)
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spewing misleading half-truths and outright lies.
Prove it.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2015,4:26 pm
< http://gothamist.com/2012...rac.php >
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 25 2015,9:19 pm
So he advcotes for $15 hour minimum wage. Is it true he pays his interns $12 an hour?
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 25 2015,9:27 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 25 2015,4:26 pm)
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< http://gothamist.com/2012...rac.php >
What does that story have to do with the fact that some in Seattle are regretting the increase in pay?
Expat=Tool
You're following another one of Saul Alinsky's rules. Pfft. You may fool some but not me.
Posted by stardust14 on Jul. 26 2015,1:47 am
Bernie vs Trump. One will be rejected by the Wallstreet-subservient public due to his virtue, the other will be rejected by the same lamebrains due to his creepiness.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 26 2015,2:08 am
Yeah. one of the most important jobs on the planet, and these are our choices. Pop-star politics. If we can't get to the point in a one-hour episode (minus twenty minutes of commercial time) then it's to hard to think about. We get obsessed with iPhones, Game of Thrones, XBoxes, the Wii, gun laws, nonexistent differences between D and R... and yet we can't unite on one thing - that our government is out of control - and do anything about it.
Let's stop pretending things are so intolerable, because if they were, the bulk of us would be uncomfortable enough with all that to do something about it, which we don't. It speaks volumes.
We get the government we settle for.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 26 2015,1:26 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 26 2015,5:15 pm
(Common Citizen @ Jul. 25 2015,9:19 pm)
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So he advcotes for $15 hour minimum wage. Is it true he pays his interns $12 an hour?
So Expat, no response to this? No practice what you preach?
Posted by stardust14 on Jul. 26 2015,11:26 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jul. 26 2015,2:08 am)
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We get obsessed with iPhones, Game of Thrones, XBoxes, the Wii, gun laws, nonexistent differences between D and R... and yet we can't unite on one thing - that our government is out of control - and do anything about it.
Let's stop pretending things are so intolerable, because if they were, the bulk of us would be uncomfortable enough with all that to do something about it, which we don't. It speaks volumes.
We get the government we settle for.
Let's stop pretending things are so intolerable, because if they were, the bulk of us would be uncomfortable enough with all that to do something about it, which we don't. It speaks volumes.
We get the government we settle for.
Totally agree on the gadget crazies. A public hypnotized. The crazies "rise up" when their precious cyber life is compromised. But do nothing when their real lives are trashed.
Is this what the american dream has become---a life that is just "tolerable"?
This is soooooo Orwellian.
What happened to dignity?
Many pretend things are fine. Many pretend they will rise up if things become intolerable, much like those waiting for a Second Coming. As long as the public prance hand in hand with corporate america(401ks, etc) nothing will happen. And who would ever dare reject mommy and daddy(the banks). And mommy and daddy just love their obedient children, handing out occasional treats to keep them happy and ignorant.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2015,7:17 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 26 2015,5:15 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Jul. 25 2015,9:19 pm)
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So he advcotes for $15 hour minimum wage. Is it true he pays his interns $12 an hour?
So Expat, no response to this? No practice what you preach?
If what you’re are saying is true he’d still be out paying many who’s internships are unpaid. Interns are usually college students trying to complete their education credits through a real world internship. Many majors require an internship to graduate, Internships are for the most part temporary the student returns to school to complete his education.
I wouldn't expect dumb & dumber to know what it takes to Graduate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,7:48 am
^^ you didn't grad-gee-ate? Kinda of shows
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2015,8:00 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,8:06 am
^^oh! I'm sorry, I was dumbing it down for a little with the glorified phonetics.You got that, good boy!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,8:25 am
< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-evi...2557106 >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 27 2015,9:00 am
Fifteen-dollar-an-hour fast food workers..? Yeah... There are two tragedies in life: Not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Guess which one this is?
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 27 2015,9:03 am
Forget all of those unoriginal memes. All anyone needs to know is that Bernie Sanders and the liberal/progressive policies he supports treats people as liabilities to manage instead of assets to develop like conservative policies do. Nuff said.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2015,9:18 am
^^leave it to CC to say it right.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 27 2015,12:44 pm
Jeez, get a room, you two...
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2015,7:09 am
Posted by grassman on Jul. 28 2015,7:56 am
^^^ What's to stop that woman from climbing the golden rail and becoming CEO of Ford? Maybe she should have left the breeding to the wealthy!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 28 2015,8:00 am
^^actually yes, maybe people should think before starting a family.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2015,8:18 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 28 2015,8:32 am
^^no one is stopping anyone from going out and making $26 an hour.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2015,8:34 am
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...italism >
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 28 2015,8:58 am
(grassman @ Jul. 28 2015,7:56 am)
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^^^ What's to stop that woman from climbing the golden rail and becoming CEO of Ford? Maybe she should have left the breeding to the wealthy!
Maybe if the country started cleaning up its mess it would help. Maybe if she relocated, she would have better opportunity. It appears that some states have bigger problems with job opportunities than others.
If the government was able to spend less money on people who don't belong here, Bernie could have bigger and better social programs.
< The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments 2007 >
< 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S >.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2015,9:21 am
Feel the Bern, Sanders wants to debate Republican Candidates individually!Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and GOP 2016 hopeful Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) would be able to have that debate without violating the restrictive rules set by the Democratic and Republican national committees for the presidential primary. The face-off would have to take place on the floor of the US Senate.
Sean Spicer, the chief strategist for the RNC, told The Guardian: “Senate business would not be a violation.”
This means only congressional representatives – no governors, reality TV buffoons, or any candidates fired from Hewlett Packard would be able to participate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 28 2015,11:26 am
Feel the bern??Try these
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 29 2015,6:14 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 29 2015,6:26 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 29 2015,10:47 am
^^ stop being an enabler
Posted by Common Citizen on Jul. 29 2015,11:31 am
(MADDOG @ Jul. 28 2015,8:58 am)
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(grassman @ Jul. 28 2015,7:56 am)
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^^^ What's to stop that woman from climbing the golden rail and becoming CEO of Ford? Maybe she should have left the breeding to the wealthy!
Maybe if the country started cleaning up its mess it would help. Maybe if she relocated, she would have better opportunity. It appears that some states have bigger problems with job opportunities than others.
If the government was able to spend less money on people who don't belong here, Bernie could have bigger and better social programs.
< The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments 2007 >
< 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S >.
It's supply and demand...plain and simple. Allowing illegals to enter this country unfettered exacerbates the problem of depressed wages for entry level jobs. But you'll never see anyone on the loony left admit that because those votes personally benefit pols like Sanders. And that's more important to them.
Nuff said.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 30 2015,6:28 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,9:14 am
You mean like people who buy votes?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 30 2015,9:47 am
Plays with balls while taking pizza orders. Votes for Bernie 'cuz he saw 'Back to the Future' six times.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 30 2015,10:39 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,2:53 pm
^^ so this is why you are like you are, was it bong hits or just roll 'em up?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 30 2015,3:12 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,5:07 pm
I'm guessing bong hitsPlease don't say you drank the water
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 30 2015,5:23 pm
Bong water. That explains a lot.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 30 2015,5:58 pm
Sometimes you need to ask a question twice to get a straight answer. Why wasn't anyone from Wallstreet prosecuted?
Posted by grassman on Jul. 30 2015,6:03 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 30 2015,9:47 am)
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Plays with balls while taking pizza orders. Votes for Bernie 'cuz he saw 'Back to the Future' six times.
Uh, MD. I think that is SB at Burger King!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 30 2015,6:10 pm
^^ I thought it was Hymie
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,4:47 am
All this and now we can ad race baiting< http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015...te.html >
Posted by grassman on Jul. 31 2015,7:18 am
Sometimes you have to ask a question three times to get a straight answer. Why was there no Wallstreeters prosecuted?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,8:00 am
Ok Expat Bullsh!t Bernie actually came out on an issue I agreed with yesterday but I'll be damned if I can remember what it is.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,8:10 am
And no, I'm not baiting on this.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 31 2015,8:18 am
Once in a blue moon we agree! Sanders statement bears repeating, “not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy”.What Sander’s is talking about is the Republican mantra “deregulation,” de-supervision and de facto decriminalization, “Too big to jail.” the wealthy go free the poor go to jail...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,8:27 am
^ nope, wasn't that.What the hell was it
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,8:33 am
This is it Finally, something I agree with
< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video...ry.html >
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2015,8:39 am
(grassman @ Jul. 31 2015,7:18 am)
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Sometimes you have to ask a question three times to get a straight answer. Why was there no Wallstreeters prosecuted?
Why was there no Wallstreeters prosecuted? O.K., this coming from PBS and even they blame the Bambino patriarch and his Justice League cronies.
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< The Real Story Of How 'Untouchable' Wall Street Execs Avoided Prosecution >
Jan. 23, 2013
PBS' Frontline program on Tuesday night broadcast a new one-hour report on one of the greatest and most shameful failings of the Obama administration: the lack of even a single arrest or prosecution of any senior Wall Street banker for the systemic fraud that precipitated the 2008 financial crisis — a crisis from which millions of people around the world are still suffering.
What this program particularly demonstrated was that the Obama justice department, in particular the Chief of its Criminal Division, Lanny Breuer, never even tried to hold the high-level criminals accountable.
What Obama justice officials did instead is exactly what they did in the face of high-level Bush era crimes of torture and warrantless eavesdropping: Namely, acted to protect the most powerful factions in the society in the face of overwhelming evidence of serious criminality. Indeed, financial elites were not only vested with impunity for their fraud, but thrived as a result of it, even as ordinary Americans continue to suffer the effects of that crisis.
Worst of all, Obama justice officials both shielded and feted these Wall Street oligarchs (who, just by the way, overwhelmingly supported Obama's 2008 presidential campaign) as they simultaneously prosecuted and imprisoned powerless Americans for far more trivial transgressions.
Jan. 23, 2013
PBS' Frontline program on Tuesday night broadcast a new one-hour report on one of the greatest and most shameful failings of the Obama administration: the lack of even a single arrest or prosecution of any senior Wall Street banker for the systemic fraud that precipitated the 2008 financial crisis — a crisis from which millions of people around the world are still suffering.
What this program particularly demonstrated was that the Obama justice department, in particular the Chief of its Criminal Division, Lanny Breuer, never even tried to hold the high-level criminals accountable.
What Obama justice officials did instead is exactly what they did in the face of high-level Bush era crimes of torture and warrantless eavesdropping: Namely, acted to protect the most powerful factions in the society in the face of overwhelming evidence of serious criminality. Indeed, financial elites were not only vested with impunity for their fraud, but thrived as a result of it, even as ordinary Americans continue to suffer the effects of that crisis.
Worst of all, Obama justice officials both shielded and feted these Wall Street oligarchs (who, just by the way, overwhelmingly supported Obama's 2008 presidential campaign) as they simultaneously prosecuted and imprisoned powerless Americans for far more trivial transgressions.
< Eric Holder's record on bank prosecutions. >
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2015,10:13 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 31 2015,8:33 am)
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This is it
Finally, something I agree with
< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video...ry.html >
Finally, something I agree with
< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video...ry.html >
I know it couldn't have been minimum wages the union backs?
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< Why Unions Exempt Themselves from Hard-Fought Minimum Wage Hikes >
Although the union-funded Raise the Wage campaigned so vociferously in favor of a $15.25 minimum wage, unions are seeking exemptions from the higher wages for their members. The exemption, or escape clause, would allow them greater strength in organizing workplaces. Unions can tell fast food chains, hotels, and hospitals that if they agree to union representation, their wage bill will be substantially lower. That will persuade employers to allow the unions to move in.
Although the union-funded Raise the Wage campaigned so vociferously in favor of a $15.25 minimum wage, unions are seeking exemptions from the higher wages for their members. The exemption, or escape clause, would allow them greater strength in organizing workplaces. Unions can tell fast food chains, hotels, and hospitals that if they agree to union representation, their wage bill will be substantially lower. That will persuade employers to allow the unions to move in.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,10:27 am
^^ yeah, that is pretty scummy.Make everyone else follow the rules but not the union so it just gets companies to cooperate.
Typical.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2015,2:58 pm
What the heck. If you don't know. < View on YouTube >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 01 2015,6:50 am
It’s become increasing less discernable which of you two is driving the short bus and who’s the passenger.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2015,8:14 am
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 01 2015,8:18 am
MD needs to quit picking on people like Debbie, it's gotta be tough being that stupid and going through life with hair like a wire fox terrier. Expat, is your hair like that too?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2015,8:29 am
I don't think so.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2015,8:32 am
BSM (before skull mullet)
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 01 2015,8:32 am
^^are those sideburns or is that ear hair.
Sorry, that was for the first one.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2015,8:47 am
expat soul mate.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 01 2015,2:30 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 01 2015,2:55 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 01 2015,4:36 pm
^^I'd say the only one in freak out mode is stroke lady.Is this a man-crush thing with you
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 02 2015,7:10 am
^^^^^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 02 2015,7:41 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 02 2015,9:24 am
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 03 2015,7:20 am
^^
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 03 2015,8:20 am
I think it would be great if Bernie could somehow skewer Billary's prez run. Maybe Debbie could be a spokeperson for the democratic socialist party.< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 03 2015,8:30 am
^^ I saw the interview with Matthews, what an embarrassment, now she goes on with F. Todd and still she avoids the question, she does put any though into preparing an answer, wow, I'm really glad she works for the dems.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 04 2015,7:22 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 04 2015,8:32 am
Posted by grassman on Aug. 04 2015,8:58 am
Really?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 04 2015,9:20 am
^^ yes, really.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 04 2015,11:51 am
Poorest counties? Let's start with the poorest one. I know it fairly well. Crow Creek Sioux territory. County seat is Gann Valley. Last time through I got gas and an ice cream bar. Usually the cheapest gas for miles. Just down the road is the Crow Creek Tribal School. I have a friend that taught there for years. Out there the Indian schools are like boarding schools of old. Fort Thompson is probably the largest town in the county.
There is a small church in Ft. Thompson just as you come into town from the east. I've watched as the paint falls off it year after year. Paint was donated a number of years ago, but no one ever painted it. The yard and small cemetery probably aren't mowed more than a couple times a year.
There is a restaurant in the local casino we eat at frequently. I noticed a hole in one of the walls about the size of a volleyball roughly ten years ago. It's still there.
It's probably safe to say that at least 50% of the able body population either sits around or gets drunk. Just about every day you can see some of the locals wander over to one of the two convenience stores in town and pick up their beverage of choice.
There are people who work there. It just doesn't seem like many. The motel in town stays busy with construction workers coming to the area and state workers going to the school. Everything is funded with gov't script and few people actually work. I've seen three community centers built in that town. They used them until the building starts to deteriorate, then the government comes and builds them another one. They leave the old one an empty shell until it crumbles. Not a whole lot of ambition in this county.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 04 2015,11:07 pm
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The Crow Creek Indian Reservation is located in parts of Buffalo, Hughes, and Hyde counties on the east bank of the Missouri River in central South Dakota in the United States.
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U.S. Counties With Highest Poverty Rates
COUNTY, STATE POVERTY RATE, ALL AGES
Ziebach County, South Dakota 50.1
Todd County, South Dakota 49.1
Shannon County, South Dakota 47.3
Issaquena County, Mississippi 43.3
(TIE)
• Washington County, Mississippi
• Humphreys County, Mississippi 42.2
Sioux County, North Dakota 41.3
Holmes County, Mississippi 41.2
Corson County, South Dakota 40.9
(TIE)
• Allendale County, South Carolina
• Lake County, Tennessee 40.4
East Carroll Parish, Louisiana 40.3
Owsley County, Kentucky 40.1
Maverick County, Texas 39.9
Wilcox County, Alabama 39.6
Source: U.S. Census
< http://www.keloland.com/newsdet...=126667 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 05 2015,5:50 am
^^ what? No casinos?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 05 2015,6:46 am
Posted by grassman on Aug. 05 2015,7:31 am
Indian Reservations are sovereign. They have their own government, rules, and ways of life. It is the same as a different country.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 05 2015,8:16 am
(grassman @ Aug. 05 2015,7:31 am)
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Indian Reservations are sovereign. They have their own government, rules, and ways of life. It is the same as a different country.
I know and these "little countries" are even more corrupt than any third world banana republic even thought of being.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 05 2015,8:45 am
Sorry, the 100 counties with lowest per capita income< List of lowest-income counties in the United States >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 06 2015,7:18 am
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 07 2015,7:04 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 07 2015,7:52 am
^^ this is because the climate thing is a big sham and wage inequality is getting your lazy ass up and quit working part time.
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 07 2015,8:21 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 07 2015,7:52 am)
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^^ this is because the climate thing is a big sham and wage inequality is getting your lazy ass up and quit working part time.
Aaaand Tard-vis has left the building.
Actually, I shouldn't compare you to the retarded. They can't help it. You, on the other hand, actually work hard at being that stupid.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 07 2015,8:42 am
^^ I think I hear your mother calling 
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 08 2015,6:15 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 08 2015,7:32 am
^^ wow, he's sure on there a lot, maybe because nobody else wants to come on there because their ratings suck?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 09 2015,6:40 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 10 2015,8:08 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 10 2015,9:15 am
No. No crony capitalism, here.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 10 2015,12:25 pm
I wonder what the total economic impact Boeing has in the US and the families that work for them despite the taxes they pay or don't pay? Oh wait...I found some info:
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Boeing in the States 2015: The Boeing Company and its subsidiaries had over 152,000 employees working in 49 states as of December 31, 2014. In the past 12 months, Boeing paid nearly $50 billion to more than 14,800 businesses, supporting an additional 1.5 million supplier-related jobs across the country. These businesses include production suppliers and non-production vendors, as well as subsidiaries of companies to which Boeing made other payments. In 2014, Boeing contributed over $127 million to U.S. nonprofit organizations. In addition, Boeing employees invested more than $41 million into their communities through combined giving programs, including the Employees Community Fund, one of the largest employee-owned funds in the world.
Not defending them, just playing devils advocate. But you have to admit there is some kind of sex appeal that the liberal base values when a fellow liberal makes a negative statement about "evil" corporations.
Never mind that liberals could have made some changes to the tax code during Obama's first few years in office when they had the majority in both the House and Senate. So if you're trying to convince everyone that Bernie would change something if elected, I'd say you're full of sh!t.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 10 2015,1:49 pm
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 10 2015,12:25 pm)
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I wonder what the total economic impact Boeing has in the US and the families that work for them despite the taxes they pay or don't pay?
Oh wait...I found some info:
Not defending them, just playing devils advocate. But you have to admit there is some kind of sex appeal that the liberal base values when a fellow liberal makes a negative statement about "evil" corporations.
Never mind that liberals could have made some changes to the tax code during Obama's first few years in office when they had the majority in both the House and Senate. So if you're trying to convince everyone that Bernie would change something if elected, I'd say you're full of sh!t.
Oh wait...I found some info:
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Boeing in the States 2015: The Boeing Company and its subsidiaries had over 152,000 employees working in 49 states as of December 31, 2014. In the past 12 months, Boeing paid nearly $50 billion to more than 14,800 businesses, supporting an additional 1.5 million supplier-related jobs across the country. These businesses include production suppliers and non-production vendors, as well as subsidiaries of companies to which Boeing made other payments. In 2014, Boeing contributed over $127 million to U.S. nonprofit organizations. In addition, Boeing employees invested more than $41 million into their communities through combined giving programs, including the Employees Community Fund, one of the largest employee-owned funds in the world.
Not defending them, just playing devils advocate. But you have to admit there is some kind of sex appeal that the liberal base values when a fellow liberal makes a negative statement about "evil" corporations.
Never mind that liberals could have made some changes to the tax code during Obama's first few years in office when they had the majority in both the House and Senate. So if you're trying to convince everyone that Bernie would change something if elected, I'd say you're full of sh!t.
Parroting Fox lies again are we...
President Obama needed 60 votes to pass legislation, there were NOT 60 Democrats in the Senate. So there had to be compromise to pass any legislation, and all the Republican Party knows how to do is filibuster and close the government down. they’ve been dragging their feet on every issue with the exception of birth certificates and Benghazi!.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 10 2015,2:26 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 10 2015,2:52 pm
^^ one should lift their own ass out of poverty and not gg whining to the government when they can't
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 10 2015,5:01 pm
(Expatriate @ Aug. 10 2015,1:49 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 10 2015,12:25 pm)
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I wonder what the total economic impact Boeing has in the US and the families that work for them despite the taxes they pay or don't pay?
Oh wait...I found some info:
Not defending them, just playing devils advocate. But you have to admit there is some kind of sex appeal that the liberal base values when a fellow liberal makes a negative statement about "evil" corporations.
Never mind that liberals could have made some changes to the tax code during Obama's first few years in office when they had the majority in both the House and Senate. So if you're trying to convince everyone that Bernie would change something if elected, I'd say you're full of sh!t.
Oh wait...I found some info:
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Boeing in the States 2015: The Boeing Company and its subsidiaries had over 152,000 employees working in 49 states as of December 31, 2014. In the past 12 months, Boeing paid nearly $50 billion to more than 14,800 businesses, supporting an additional 1.5 million supplier-related jobs across the country. These businesses include production suppliers and non-production vendors, as well as subsidiaries of companies to which Boeing made other payments. In 2014, Boeing contributed over $127 million to U.S. nonprofit organizations. In addition, Boeing employees invested more than $41 million into their communities through combined giving programs, including the Employees Community Fund, one of the largest employee-owned funds in the world.
Not defending them, just playing devils advocate. But you have to admit there is some kind of sex appeal that the liberal base values when a fellow liberal makes a negative statement about "evil" corporations.
Never mind that liberals could have made some changes to the tax code during Obama's first few years in office when they had the majority in both the House and Senate. So if you're trying to convince everyone that Bernie would change something if elected, I'd say you're full of sh!t.
Parroting Fox lies again are we...
President Obama needed 60 votes to pass legislation, there were NOT 60 Democrats in the Senate. So there had to be compromise to pass any legislation, and all the Republican Party knows how to do is filibuster and close the government down. they’ve been dragging their feet on every issue with the exception of birth certificates and Benghazi!.
Where is the lie? And what did I say that Fox is saying in this post?
I used one source...the Boeing website. The fact that the donks had control of both the senate and house during the first few years of the Obama administration I thought was common knowledge. The rest is my opinion.
Unlike some...I don't need to constantly post other peoples memes to get my point across. That BS about 60 votes this and 60 votes that is just that. BS. You're making excuses just like your party leader has been doing for 7 years.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 10 2015,5:36 pm
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That BS about 60 votes this and 60 votes that is just that. BS
. The 60-vote requirement results from the Senate’s “cloture rule,” which sets that number as the minimum needed to shut off debate and move to a final vote on a bill or nomination.
look it up stupid...
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 10 2015,7:06 pm
(Expatriate @ Aug. 10 2015,5:36 pm)
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That BS about 60 votes this and 60 votes that is just that. BS
. The 60-vote requirement results from the Senate’s “cloture rule,” which sets that number as the minimum needed to shut off debate and move to a final vote on a bill or nomination.
look it up stupid...
I'm not disputing the 60 vote rule you nimrod. I am referring to you using that as an argument against my statement that the donks had a majority.
Is your light still on upstairs?
Posted by grassman on Aug. 10 2015,8:12 pm
I just don't see why a company should be tax exempt just for doing business. They are a for profit are they not? Are you saying, because they are so big, they should not have to pay taxes? I spread money around too, with my business, should I be tax exempt?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 11 2015,5:31 am
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I'm not disputing the 60 vote rule you nimrod. I am referring to you using that as an argument against my statement that the donks had a majority.
What part of the 60 vote rule don't you understand? The Democrats had a majority but NOT the 60 needed to bring any Bill or Nomination to a vote. You've been suckered by some Right-Wing propagandist again, you weak minded teabagger..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2015,5:40 am
^^
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 11 2015,9:09 am
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 11 2015,11:22 am
(Expatriate @ Aug. 11 2015,5:31 am)
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I'm not disputing the 60 vote rule you nimrod. I am referring to you using that as an argument against my statement that the donks had a majority.
What part of the 60 vote rule don't you understand? The Democrats had a majority but NOT the 60 needed to bring any Bill or Nomination to a vote. You've been suckered by some Right-Wing propagandist again, you weak minded teabagger..
No wonder you're a socialist. You can't think for yourself unless a statement comes with picture. My only point is that the liberals had the majority. No one gives a crap about the 60 rule, only you do because you're a pea brain with his head shoved up his arse.
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The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senators caucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes.
< My god you're dumb >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 11 2015,4:12 pm
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 11 2015,11:22 am)
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No wonder you're a socialist. You can't think for yourself unless a statement comes with picture. My only point is that the liberals had the majority. No one gives a crap about the 60 rule, only you do because you're a pea brain with his head shoved up his arse.
< My god you're dumb >
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The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senators caucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes.
< My god you're dumb >
You are a total tard, your link is to the 110th congress, it should be the 111th congress, the inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States didn't take place till Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
Under the current rules of the Senate it takes 60 votes to proceed to a vote on a bill when some senators want to continue debate forever, or filibuster.
It has become almost a matter of course that the Republicans oppose every Bill, Budget and Nomination, meaning said legislation has to overcome a filibuster in order to proceed to a vote, requiring 60 votes.. The Republicans have become Obstructionist, only a complete idiot would be blind to that fact!
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2015,4:46 pm
^^ yes, obstructionist, heaven forbid we follow the constitution.
Posted by Marneman on Aug. 12 2015,1:50 am
Obstructionist in the Senate?Oh yea, Harry Reid sitting on all the bills sent over by the house and not letting them come up for debate in the Senate, that kind of obstructionist.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 12 2015,4:31 am
Our gov. is suppose to be slow, methodical, not at the whim of someone with a "pen and a phone"
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 12 2015,6:08 am
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 12 2015,6:59 am
Poll: Bernie Sanders surges ahead of Hillary Clinton in N.H., 44-37 go Bernie go< http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...h_44_37 >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 12 2015,7:19 am
Sen. Bernie Sanders introduced a bill in Congress to make Election Day a national holiday, giving Americans from all walks of life time to go to the polls and cast their ballots. He has also introduced a bill which would automatically register 18-year-olds to vote unless they specifically request not to, and a bill to return financing of presidential campaigns to public funds.
Watch the Republicans fight tooth and nail to scuttle this legislation..
< http://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa...ne=file >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 12 2015,9:06 am
Natio holiday??Probably another lazy-assed Union idea.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 12 2015,9:51 am
(Self-Banished @ Aug. 12 2015,9:06 am)
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Natio holiday??
Probably another lazy-assed Union idea.
Probably another lazy-assed Union idea.
The UAW already has it as a holiday. Of course it usually is the unions who bring the nation new holidays and get the ones we already had changed to their likings.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 12 2015,11:07 am
If they were going to do that then to go with it all school referendums should be scheduled for those days, no special votes
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 12 2015,12:21 pm
Personally I'm glad Bernie is doing so well. I'd hate to think of Hillary running unopposed and the media love fest that would bring with it. These two need to beat the crap outta each other, same with the idiot republicans, although they have been infighting for years now so nothing has changed on that front.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 12 2015,9:01 pm
(Expatriate @ Aug. 11 2015,4:12 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 11 2015,11:22 am)
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No wonder you're a socialist. You can't think for yourself unless a statement comes with picture. My only point is that the liberals had the majority. No one gives a crap about the 60 rule, only you do because you're a pea brain with his head shoved up his arse.
< My god you're dumb >
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The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995. Although the Democrats held fewer than 50 Senate seats, they had an operational majority because the two independent senators caucused with the Democrats for organizational purposes.
< My god you're dumb >
You are a total tard, your link is to the 110th congress, it should be the 111th congress, the inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States didn't take place till Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
Under the current rules of the Senate it takes 60 votes to proceed to a vote on a bill when some senators want to continue debate forever, or filibuster.
It has become almost a matter of course that the Republicans oppose every Bill, Budget and Nomination, meaning said legislation has to overcome a filibuster in order to proceed to a vote, requiring 60 votes.. The Republicans have become Obstructionist, only a complete idiot would be blind to that fact!
Wrong congress? That's not the point. In the 111th congress, the donks even increased their majority. Thank you. It really doesn't matter which congress it is. My point is that the donkisis had a majority yet there wasn't even a bill to address this issue when they were in power.
When you deflect you get caught up in semantics to avoid debating the real subject.
If you want we can have this conversation offline to spare these poor people.
Nuff said.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 12 2015,9:34 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 12 2015,12:21 pm)
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Personally I'm glad Bernie is doing so well. I'd hate to think of Hillary running unopposed and the media love fest that would bring with it. These two need to beat the crap outta each other, same with the idiot republicans, although they have been infighting for years now so nothing has changed on that front.
Not sure where this is headed. I just know we don't need no damn socialist running this country. We've tried the mini version for the last two election cycles and the poor are still poor. Wages are stagnant, welfare expenditures have skyrocketed, unemployment is going through the roof(depending on which administration controls the calculator, more people not working since when?), health care costs are still rising, the stock market is about to burst after its been artificially inflated for 7 years.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 12 2015,9:58 pm
You sure must think highly of liberals if you thought in 6 1/2 years we could fix everything you kooks had screwed up over the previous 8 years.I don't care if Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist, and I'm glad to see Hillary going through a primary, but I think Sanders will peak at around 35% among Democrats because of the socialist label he seems to have given himself.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 13 2015,12:55 am
I thought that you voted for hope and change? Still blaming the previous administration? I thought at the very least, being the first black President, race relations would improve more under his leadership. Instead I have witnessed a regression. An antogonist by encouraging race baiters like Sharpton to a point where a racist had a show on msnbc. He comments on Furguson before getting the facts right. Quick to defend a thug but reluctant to praise our true heros. This is my opinion.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 13 2015,7:03 am
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I thought at the very least, being the first black President, race relations would improve more under his leadership. Instead I have witnessed a regression.
Your last post seems to put a lot of focus on how Obama is black. Is his race suppose to automatically solve something?
Back to your tax reform post. How about conservatives reform just one thing before they attack us for not reforming several issues in one term. You expect the Dems to be able to pass the ACA AND tax reform?
I don't know if there would've been enough Tea Bags and Thomas Paine costumes if they tried to reform everything in two years.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 13 2015,7:46 am
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 12 2015,9:01 pm)
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Wrong congress? That's not the point. In the 111th congress, the donks even increased their majority. Thank you. It really doesn't matter which congress it is. My point is that the donkisis had a majority yet there wasn't even a bill to address this issue when they were in power.
When you deflect you get caught up in semantics to avoid debating the real subject.
When you deflect you get caught up in semantics to avoid debating the real subject.
What you are trying to imply is that the Democrats controlled Congress and the Presidency, as you referred to Obama Administration I moved it up to the 111th Congress.
The case is more complicated, a simple majority does little in the way of passing legislation, I believe the highest number the Democrats had in the senate was 57 not the 60 required to override a Republican Filibuster.
You’re always going to have folks like Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy who were too ill to vote, and the Blue Dog (conservative) Democrats who may or may not back said Legislation, we also saw the Coleman/Franken recount go on for half of 2009, add to that senators like Lieberman and Specter masquerading as Democrats and you don't come close to the votes required!
The Democrats really never had the numbers it took without some Republicans to pass any legislation.
Same goes for the House of Representatives.
I’m not making any excuses for Obama or the Democrats, as for Obama he hasn’t been the FDR I’d hoped for, but, he managed to bring our Nation out of the biggest financial disaster since the Great Depression dragging the Republicans along kicking and screaming about every nonsensical issue possible.
I wonder where America would be today had we followed the lais·sez-faire, nay, austerity measures proposed by the Republicans!
I’ll tell you, it’d be a 1929 carbon copy!
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 13 2015,7:50 am
(irisheyes @ Aug. 13 2015,7:03 am)
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Your last post seems to put a lot of focus on how Obama is black. Is his race suppose to automatically solve something?
African-Americans voted in record numbers in 2008. What do you suppose they expected? To say race didn't play a role in Obama's election and the expectations of some that voted is obtuse at the very least.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2015,8:24 am
So would blacks come out in numbers for Carstens??
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 13 2015,8:40 am
I really doubt it. The bloom is off that particular rose, namely the notion that Big Government was going to start paying attention to the concerns of inner-city poor people. A lot of black people believe, in spite of the Obama Presidency, that it's still a white man's world.
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 13 2015,9:06 am
Well to be fair, POTUS is 1/2 white too.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 14 2015,6:31 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 12 2015,9:58 pm)
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but I think Sanders will peak at around 35% among Democrats because of the socialist label he seems to have given himself.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 14 2015,6:42 am
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 14 2015,6:45 am
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2015,6:52 am
Bernie Sanders has surged past Hillary Clinton in Iowa poll!Iowa State Fair 2015 : Presidential Poll
< https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html >
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 20 2015,7:13 am
< Protection for the Bern! >Are you kidding me? Unless there is some credible threat on his life I say no. We are hemorrhaging enough money on stupid crap for elections the way it is.
EDIT: for some reason when I copy paste the link it isn't linking right... I think cuz the link is so long it is putting a break in
https: //petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/provide-bernie-sanders-secret-service-protection-immediately-leading-democratic-presidenti
al-candidate-and-senator
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 20 2015,7:17 am
(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2015,6:52 am)
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Bernie Sanders has surged past Hillary Clinton in Iowa poll!
Iowa State Fair 2015 : Presidential Poll
< https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html >
Iowa State Fair 2015 : Presidential Poll
< https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html >
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D Lincoln Chafee 13 0.76%
D Hillary Clinton 828 48.25%
D Martin O'Malley 78 4.55%
D Bernie Sanders 786 45.80%
Your link seems to disagree with you?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 20 2015,10:55 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2015,7:17 am)
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(Expatriate @ Aug. 17 2015,6:52 am)
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Bernie Sanders has surged past Hillary Clinton in Iowa poll!
Iowa State Fair 2015 : Presidential Poll
< https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html >
Iowa State Fair 2015 : Presidential Poll
< https://sos.iowa.gov/statefair.html >
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D Lincoln Chafee 13 0.76%
D Hillary Clinton 828 48.25%
D Martin O'Malley 78 4.55%
D Bernie Sanders 786 45.80%
Your link seems to disagree with you?
When I posted it I’d thought Bernie was at 52%, none the less, he’s become a real contender.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 20 2015,1:35 pm
I disagree, he's about as electable as Donald Trump, who is leading the kook parade right now 16 months out from the election.My guess is we might see a Hillary Sanders ticket and I'd be good with that as long as Hillary is at the top of the ticket.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 20 2015,7:25 pm
I'd vote for the Limberbutt McCubbins/Deez Nuts ticket before those two clowns.
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 21 2015,12:33 am
(Common Citizen @ Aug. 20 2015,7:25 pm)
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I'd vote for the Limberbutt McCubbins/Deez Nuts ticket before those two clowns.
Yes, and some people just want to watch the world burn...
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 21 2015,6:36 am
Like it isn't burning now with the idiots we have running the show now?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 23 2015,1:21 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2015,1:35 pm)
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I disagree, he's about as electable as Donald Trump, who is leading the kook parade right now 16 months out from the election.
My guess is we might see a Hillary Sanders ticket and I'd be good with that as long as Hillary is at the top of the ticket.
My guess is we might see a Hillary Sanders ticket and I'd be good with that as long as Hillary is at the top of the ticket.
You’re right, must people equate Socialism with Communism, we’ve all been indoctrinated by years of propaganda to except those words as the evil empires domain.
The Iowa State Fair Poll had minimal numbers, showing the average person has little interest in who the elites place in charge.
Bernie has enjoyed some early free TV time, some issue attention, but that will soon be drowned out by a barrage of sound bites!
Bernie doesn’t have the money to buy TV commercials, that’ll be the folks who get the 5 million 10 million dollar contributions, Bush has a 100 million so far from the international oligarchy..
< https://www.opensecrets.org/news...ng-bush >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 23 2015,2:04 pm
< http://www.wnd.com/2013...failure >< http://www.americanthinker.com/article...ll.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 24 2015,7:05 am
Thank you for proving my point.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 24 2015,9:12 am
Either are bad
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 25 2015,6:56 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 25 2015,7:43 am
< http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Social_Security.htm >
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 29 2015,6:52 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2015,1:41 am
I see where the ol' nutjob has pulled within 7 points of stroke lady, wow, still trailing an incompetent criminal. That's something to "write home to mom about"
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 31 2015,7:02 am
If Sanders can take New Hampshire and Iowa he’s got a good chance of defeating HillaryWhen the primary is over Sanders will make short work of the PLUTOCRATS in the Republican clown car...
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2015,7:08 am
Ummmm, I hate to pee in your Cheerios (no I don't) but what about the strong possibility of Biden?
Posted by grassman on Aug. 31 2015,8:01 am
I don't know...the Repubs seem to have some tools in the old tool box.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2015,8:14 am
^^ yep, ol' Tubby is a tool alright.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 31 2015,6:36 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2015,7:05 pm
^^Wow, I actually watched that. I think the nurses on Bernie's ward should be reprimanded for not keeping track of him No response to the Biden question?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 01 2015,6:52 am
Biden won't run, Hillary and Bernie have too much momentum. Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 01 2015,7:14 am
^^ Stroke lady has too many weights tied around her neck.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 03 2015,5:48 am
Don't count Biden out. Once Trumpka officially throws his support behind him, all the liberal union members will drop a candidate like Sanders in heart beat. Baaah...
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 03 2015,6:48 am
Labor has already started to back Bernie, many IBEW locals have already endorsed Bernie. The map below shows where unionists had signed on as of the start of July. The number has more than doubled since then. Trumpka can’t quell the pro-Sanders revolt, we’re sick of the same old same!
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Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 06 2015,1:48 pm
i walked by the dfl building at the state fair(yes, it radiates evil) I notice that there were no signs for stroke lady and only one small sign for Bernie Butthurt.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 08 2015,7:53 am
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Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 08 2015,8:07 am
That won't happen again. People are too divided over minutae, too insulated from the struggles of others, too happy with their big-screen phone lifestyle to care. Soon Hillary and her people will dig into their dirty bag of tricks, and a Bernie Sanders scandal will be born, assuming the morons that hear the words "Democratic Socialist" and see images of Marx and Stalin don't do it first. My God, people are dumb nowadays.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 08 2015,2:54 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 08 2015,8:07 am)
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That won't happen again. People are too divided over minutae, too insulated from the struggles of others, too happy with their big-screen phone lifestyle to care.
Soon Hillary and her people will dig into their dirty bag of tricks, and a Bernie Sanders scandal will be born, assuming the morons that hear the words "Democratic Socialist" and see images of Marx and Stalin don't do it first. My God, people are dumb nowadays.
Soon Hillary and her people will dig into their dirty bag of tricks, and a Bernie Sanders scandal will be born, assuming the morons that hear the words "Democratic Socialist" and see images of Marx and Stalin don't do it first. My God, people are dumb nowadays.
You can kick a dog only so many times before he defends himself, Bernie Sanders is our last hope, he’s the Eugene Debs of our day!
We have repeatedly seen how working people have been treated and how Republicans use of political force, via labor laws to revoke the right to collective bargain or unionize.. Big Capitalist Corporations always seek to maximize profit any way they can, this truly is unregulated Capitalism. We are moving toward a Corporate Oligarchy as Corporate Politicians, appointed judges and administrators reverse or remove laws set in place to protect working people.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 08 2015,3:16 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 08 2015,8:17 pm
^^so which one is worse, the flipper or the nutjob?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 09 2015,7:14 am
Tell Bernie: How Have Skyrocketing Prescription Drug Prices Affected You?Americans, who already pay the highest prices for prescription drugs in the world, saw prices jump 12.6 percent last year, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. That increase was more than double the rise in overall medical costs. Have you seen big price spikes in how much your medicine costs? Are you splitting pills in half to make your prescriptions last longer? Have you had to stop taking medicine altogether in order to pay other bills? Have specific prescription drugs you take shot up in price?
Share your story, tell Bernie: < http://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls...-prices >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 09 2015,10:10 am
^^Having trouble affording your Thorazine?
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 09 2015,8:27 pm
I thought Obamacare was suppose reduce health are costs? Did they forget to address the cost of prescriptions in that 2000 pages piece of $h!t they call a law?Oh and yes, Bernie voted for it before reading it.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 10 2015,7:26 am
Sanders is one of the few trying to address this problem, every other industrialized nation has negotiated drug prices with big Pharma, here it’s done piecemeal the VA, Medicaid, private insurance have negotiated individually with mixed results, we need to negotiate as one unified group.The fact that Medicare Part D is forbidden by law to negotiate lower prices is no accident. The drug lobby worked hard to ensure Medicare wouldn’t be allowed to cut into the profits which would flow to big Pharma thanks to millions of new customers delivered to them by Part D. (this was a GOP sponsored bill),
The drug companies say they must impose higher prices in the U.S. to pay for research that enables them to innovate and develop new drugs that save our lives. But that’s not true. Half of the scientifically innovative drugs approved in the U.S. from 1998 to 2007 resulted from research at universities and biotech firms, not big drug companies. And despite their rhetoric, drug companies spend 19 times more on marketing than on research and development.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 10 2015,7:44 am
Sanders edges Clinton 41% to 40% in a new Iowa survey< http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-an...ID=2277 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 10 2015,8:47 am
^^ I saw that, found it quite interesting. So Clinton has become that toxic. She should probably go drinking with Jeb, they can cry in each other's beer.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 10 2015,11:39 pm
Since the DNC is removing the mold and dusting off Biden for a run, why not Howard Dean? Aargh!
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 10 2015,11:55 pm
And you think the GOP is a circus. QUOTE
Hillary Rodham Clinton has been busy rounding up Democratic endorsements, but her chief rival, Senator Bernie Sanders, can now boast a powerful supporter of his own: James Bond.
Well, not the British sleuth himself, but Daniel Craig, the actor who plays him. Mr. Craig recently made a $47,300 donation to a “super PAC” that supports Mr. Sanders, according to the Center for Public Integrity.
While the donation was generous, it appears that Mr. Craig may have been duped(that's a surprise) when he gave it to Americans Socially United. Cary Lee Peterson, the group’s founder, has faced a raft of legal and financial problems and, according to court documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity, has been ordered to pay creditors hundreds of thousands of dollars for breaching contracts.
Well, not the British sleuth himself, but Daniel Craig, the actor who plays him. Mr. Craig recently made a $47,300 donation to a “super PAC” that supports Mr. Sanders, according to the Center for Public Integrity.
While the donation was generous, it appears that Mr. Craig may have been duped(that's a surprise
) when he gave it to Americans Socially United. Cary Lee Peterson, the group’s founder, has faced a raft of legal and financial problems and, according to court documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity, has been ordered to pay creditors hundreds of thousands of dollars for breaching contracts. Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 11 2015,6:25 am
Best Bond since Connery. Quite an endorsement.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 11 2015,7:51 am
Take the time to listen to this man, forget your rightwing political bias for six minutes.The (Bill) Bernie is sponsoring is for all of US not Democrats or Republicans, watch the Bill and see who shots it down, I’ll tell you who, it’ll be Republicans, they don’t care about you or me.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 11 2015,9:29 am
^^Wow, let's pander some more, let's buy votes with other people's money. He's still a Nutjob, he's still never held a real job in his life.
Let's elect someone who's actually run a business or has had major accomplishments in their life.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 11 2015,9:55 am
^So it’s your opinion that’s it’s perfectly okay for Big Pharma to rake US Americans over the coals, rob US blind while selling the same drugs to other Industrialized Nations at 50% less or better!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 11 2015,10:25 am
You must be getting tired carrying that same box of rocks around with you? Especially if you keep marching in that Bernie parade.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 11 2015,10:30 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 11 2015,9:55 am)
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^So it’s your opinion that’s it’s perfectly okay for Big Pharma to rake US Americans over the coals, rob US blind while selling the same drugs to other Industrialized Nations at 50% less or better!
Maybe you should move to Canada.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 12 2015,10:14 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 12 2015,3:54 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 11 2015,10:30 am)
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 11 2015,9:55 am)
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^So it’s your opinion that’s it’s perfectly okay for Big Pharma to rake US Americans over the coals, rob US blind while selling the same drugs to other Industrialized Nations at 50% less or better!
Maybe you should move to Canada.
I want you to remember that thought when you're being ignored and loading your pants in some crappy
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 12 2015,6:24 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 12 2015,3:54 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 11 2015,10:30 am)
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 11 2015,9:55 am)
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^So it’s your opinion that’s it’s perfectly okay for Big Pharma to rake US Americans over the coals, rob US blind while selling the same drugs to other Industrialized Nations at 50% less or better!
Maybe you should move to Canada.
I want you to remember that thought when you're being ignored and loading your pants in some crappy
A coronary would be welcome, as long as I didn't go through life like you.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 14 2015,9:52 am
Bernie Sanders now has the lead in two early voting primary States Iowa and New Hampshire
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 14 2015,9:53 am
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 14 2015,10:22 am
Big deal. Didn't Bachmann win the IA primary? Thank gawd that was no indicator of things to come...
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 14 2015,1:25 pm
Yes. I recall Ron Paul winning all sorts of caucuses, only to be outright ignored by network news. If that sort of media gerrymandering happens again, Hitlery is a shoe-in.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 19 2015,7:35 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Apr. 30 2015,7:40 pm)
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You do realize bernie is a POS socialist, dontcha?
God I hate socialists.
God I hate socialists.
^^^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2015,8:23 am
^^
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 19 2015,8:50 am
Whose money will this douch bag use once he has spent all our money? Because these dumb a$$ liberals will want all the free schooling they can get. Plus FREE welfare,PHONES,MEDICAD, HOUSING, FOOD STAMPS,
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 19 2015,9:36 am
Yes, let's just shut down welfare and shoot anyone who riots. Will that make you happy?
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 19 2015,9:51 am
Sanders' biggest obstacle: Boobs that don't know the difference between communism and socialism.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2015,1:18 pm
^^there is no difference.In the end both fail
< http://www.investopedia.com/ask...ism.asp >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 19 2015,1:19 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 19 2015,9:36 am)
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Yes, let's just shut down welfare and shoot anyone who riots. Will that make you happy?
That's probably coming.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 20 2015,7:43 am
Not soon enough?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 20 2015,8:45 am
^^There you have it, the rural Republican mentality, someone’s getting a free ride! You tards are looking on the wrongend of the spectrum as to who’s getting the free ride!
Republican’s won’t cut welfare, those folks would take to the streets, riot, causing bad press! Republicans will take their
usual path and stick it to the working class, cutting Social Security, Medicare, wage and worker rights laws, while cutting
Federal Tax on the wealthily and corporations causing state and local tax to increase on you dummies!
Yup, there's your moral majority, lets starve those freeloading kids, they can beg on the street, Christian charities will
take care of them, you guys are total dimwits.
If you want people to work we have to pay a living wage.
we can no longer allow corporations to deduct business expenses for moving a job out of the country.
we have to level the playing field on cheap imports with tariffs or there will be no jobs left here!
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 20 2015,9:50 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 20 2015,8:45 am)
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You tards are looking on the wrong end of the spectrum as to who’s getting the free ride!
They don't even know the difference between communism and socialism. I doubt they have a handle on economics.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2015,11:20 am
I seriously doubt either of you have a handle on how economics work.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 20 2015,12:15 pm
(Expatriate @ Sep. 20 2015,8:45 am)
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If you want people to work we have to pay a living wage.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 21 2015,10:16 am
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 19 2015,9:36 am)
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Yes, let's just shut down welfare and shoot anyone who riots. Will that make you happy?
Botto, you obviously have never read the bible. Many many times Jesus said things like "Do not help the poor because some of them are just lazy slobs looking for a hand out."
He also spoke many times on the virtues of lying and bearing false witness. He was also a proponent of killing innocents.
That's why so many christians are more offended by being forced to help the poor, than they are about lying politicians/corrupt corporations meddling in other countries and killing countless innocent people.
God put Adam in the Garden to care for it. He obviously didn't care what happened to any of His creations once He booted Adam and Eve out. That's why it's ok to open up the arctic for drilling even though the Gulf of Mexico is still a mess after the Deep Water Horizon disaster. It's ok that all of our pollinators are dying.
If you actually spend time thinking about what Jesus and God actually say and desire for us and this world, it all makes perfect sense from a christian stand-point.
And Jesus said "Be unjust in all you do. Judge others however you see fit, and if you deem them unworthy...shoot them. Pollute and destroy all of creation if that is the only way to turn a profit."
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 21 2015,10:54 am
^^< I caught zero logic in all that, and that last part... Pure jibberish >
Posted by grassman on Sep. 21 2015,10:15 pm
Sorry Roz, I have to disagree with you on this one. God kicked Adam and Eve out of the garden because they sinned. The had it all and failed. This was to start the way of the sin of man. They were not perfect and for every action, there is a reaction.James 5New International Version (NIV)
Warning to Rich Oppressors
5 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 21 2015,11:30 pm
Great bible quote Grassman. My entire comment was total sarcasm. I've read and know the teachings of Jesus.In my opinion, from reading your comments over the years, your beliefs are more closely aligned with the teachings of Jesus than pretty much any other "christian" in this forum. There are a couple of people who I don't think are christian, but their beliefs also seem more in tune with the teachings of Jesus than most of the "christians". In my opinion.
My comment was directed at the ones who proclaim to be saved. Supposed believers and followers of Jesus, but from reading their comments over the years I personally don't see how Jesus or God would ever consider them Godly or righteous. They seem more of the world than of God.
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Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
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Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
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Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
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Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
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Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
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For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.
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Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
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But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
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All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
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Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
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In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
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“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
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“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
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For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
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13 “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[b] they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[b] they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
But, maybe I have it wrong. Maybe all it takes to be righteous and saved is to take Jesus as savior. - Then I guess it wouldn't matter how big an A-hole a person is, or how they treat others and the planet.
I'm not even christian so maybe I have misunderstood when I read the bible.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 21 2015,11:56 pm
Kook hypocrisy is everywhere. This one kind of silenced their bench.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2015,4:12 am
^^ah, judge, jury, and wannabe executioner.What sins have you committed today?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 22 2015,7:38 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2015,7:49 am
^^how in the hell are the pharmaceutical companies killing Americans?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 22 2015,10:07 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,7:49 am)
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^^how in the hell are the pharmaceutical companies killing Americans?
It's been discussed in the forum before. Here's some more. I think the last article I posted is the most important. I didn't know that daddy Bush and Ken Lay (Enron) had been Eli Lilly board of directors. Pretty interesting stuff in that article.
These are just a few. There are many:
Based on their findings, Graham and his collaborators linked Vioxx to more than 27,000 heart attacks or sudden cardiac deaths nationwide from the time it came on the market in 1999 through 2003.
< http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...r_x.htm >
According to research published in the Lancet, a British medical journal, Vioxx caused between 88,000 and 140,000 cases of serious heart disease in the United States before Merck withdrew the drug in 2004.
< http://www.slate.com/article...e_.html >
Too much crucial information to copy and paste just a bit of it. Pharma industry influence over research, medical journals, FDA. Deaths, coverups and lies.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/busines...ry.html >
Fantastic article:
< http://www.alternet.org/story...penalty >
It cites "credible" news sources and anything not cited can be found easily enough by googling. I highly recommend this article. Pretty eye opening for several reasons.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 22 2015,10:28 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,4:12 am)
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^^ah, judge, jury, and wannabe executioner.
What sins have you committed today?
What sins have you committed today?
Executioner??
Even though Botto is one of those people, who in my opinion, seems to have beliefs more in tune with the teachings of Jesus than many christians, I don't think he's actually christian. Botto, are you christian?
And even if he is christian, he's just pointing out her hypocrisy.
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You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 22 2015,10:30 am
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^^how in the hell are the pharmaceutical companies killing Americans?
When we see older drug prices escalate by a 1000% on sick people it's no longer about capitalism, it's pure greed!
This is vulture capitalism, taking advantage of the sick to increase profits for the few!
< http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroo...reases >
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-costs >
< http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroo...es_--- >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2015,10:53 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 22 2015,10:07 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,7:49 am)
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^^how in the hell are the pharmaceutical companies killing Americans?
It's been discussed in the forum before. Here's some more. I think the last article I posted is the most important. I didn't know that daddy Bush and Ken Lay (Enron) had been Eli Lilly board of directors. Pretty interesting stuff in that article.
These are just a few. There are many:
Based on their findings, Graham and his collaborators linked Vioxx to more than 27,000 heart attacks or sudden cardiac deaths nationwide from the time it came on the market in 1999 through 2003.
< http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...r_x.htm >
According to research published in the Lancet, a British medical journal, Vioxx caused between 88,000 and 140,000 cases of serious heart disease in the United States before Merck withdrew the drug in 2004.
< http://www.slate.com/article...e_.html >
Too much crucial information to copy and paste just a bit of it. Pharma industry influence over research, medical journals, FDA. Deaths, coverups and lies.
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/busines...ry.html >
Fantastic article:
< http://www.alternet.org/story...penalty >
It cites "credible" news sources and anything not cited can be found easily enough by googling. I highly recommend this article. Pretty eye opening for several reasons.
Have a good doctor
Research what you take for drugs and ask questions.
A lot of times people like to self medicate themselves, take more or take less.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 22 2015,11:17 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,10:53 am)
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Have a good doctor
Research what you take for drugs and ask questions.
A lot of times people like to self medicate themselves, take more or take less.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
Research what you take for drugs and ask questions.
A lot of times people like to self medicate themselves, take more or take less.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
SB, researching the drugs, asking questions and talking to a Dr, mean nothing when the pharma companies virtually control the research of the drugs, hide the dangers of the drugs, lie to and bribe Dr.'s to push their medications. Not to mention their influence over the FDA.
Rat poison. Blood thinner? Is it better than aspirin?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 22 2015,11:46 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 22 2015,7:38 am)
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Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 22 2015,3:51 pm
This is typical of the short sighted and narrow mindedness that pervades the teabagger mindset!When hedge fund managers pressure Pharmaceutical companies to increase the cost of medication on the sick to increase on an existing 45 billion dollar profit something is wrong.
I’m sure Maddog and SB see nothing wrong with this picture, until they get the bill for their health insurance and see the increase, than they scream Obamacare, when what we really have is unfettered capitalism feeding off the sick!
You haven’t heard a peep from the Republican Candidates about this travesty, when Sanders brings it to light the tards scream socialism...
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2015,4:50 pm
^^what'a'matta, union health ins. not paying for your little blue pills? I have pretty good ins but I fear when the Cadillac tax comes along I'm gonna get soaked but right alone with the unions.As far as expense goes most of the pharmacitical companies have programs where the poor get drugs at little or no expense.
A dipsh!t such as Expat look at nothing but the small percentage of bad these companies do and even that is exaggerate. He just in serious butthurt because someone makes money on this. If there were no profit there would be no research or testing or even marketing which I know he'll howl at because he thinks they do too much.
This is nothing more than the rantings of a socialist dweeb (and before Botto pipes in and says myself or Common or MD don't know the difference between communism and socialism you're full of sh!t)
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 22 2015,5:22 pm
Whether it’s increased insurance policy cost to the individual or increased taxation to support government programs like the the VA or Medicaid this amounts to a wealth transfer cause by hedge fund profiteers out of our pockets and into theirs!This is vulture capitalism feeding on the misfortunes of the sick at the expense of US...
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 22 2015,5:52 pm
^^as I said, full of sh!t
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 22 2015,9:03 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,4:50 pm)
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look at nothing but the small percentage of bad these companies do and even that is exaggerate.
If there were no profit there would be no research or testing or even marketing which I know he'll howl at because he thinks they do too much.
If there were no profit there would be no research or testing or even marketing which I know he'll howl at because he thinks they do too much.
I don't think it's possible to quantify a percentage of "bad these companies do".
Some of them lie, hide things, threaten whistleblowers, and exert way too much influence over the government. People have died. Does anyone ever go to jail? No. The companies get fined. Time after time.
People have died and some of these companies are willfully at fault.
They knew people would die/were dying, and they kept lying and trying to hide it. For profit. I'm sorry SB, but I don't understand how you can justify that.
They've done good, so let them get away with bad?
Pharmaceutical companies have huge profits and a bigger profit margin than most other industries. They also get R&D tax credits. So I don't think lowering prices would hurt them too much.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 23 2015,5:42 am
Well hell, let's just put them out of business, that'll teach them.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 23 2015,6:48 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 23 2015,8:13 am
^^ uh-oh, here we go flippy boy's realizing bullsh!t Bernie doesn't stand a chance.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 23 2015,9:34 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,10:53 am)
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A lot of times people like to self medicate themselves, take more or take less.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
rat poison is a blood thinner, meaning you have some kind of cardiovascular issue and prone to blood clots..
If you'd get off your fat truck driver ass and work you wouldn't need medication!
please take a little more, like the whole bottle!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 23 2015,9:36 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 23 2015,5:42 am)
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Well hell, let's just put them out of business, that'll teach them.
Why do you always go to extremes? Seriously. Put them out of business? WTF? How about thorough investigations and jailing some murderers?
SB, THEY KILLED PEOPLE.
THEY REPEATEDLY LIED AND COVERED UP.
THEY KEPT KNOWINGLY KILLING PEOPLE.
The owner of Peanut Corporation of America knew about salmonella problems and tried to hide it. 9 people died. He was sentenced to 28 years in prison. His brother got 20. A quality control manager got 5. Too bad for this company they weren't as rich and powerful as some others.
Toyota knew full well of deadly problems in some of their vehicles during pre-production, but lied their butts off and continued to cover up the problem. Constantly denying the problems. People died. Nobody jailed. Fined $1.2 billion.
GM was fined $900 million for lying and hiding problems with ignition switches which killed at least 124 people. They knew about the problem before anyone died. Nobody jailed.
Apparently cheating emission tests and not killing anyone is worse than murder.
The US is threatening VW $18 Billion for cheating on emission tests. Nobody died.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 23 2015,9:41 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 23 2015,9:55 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 23 2015,9:34 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 22 2015,10:53 am)
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A lot of times people like to self medicate themselves, take more or take less.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
Hell I eat rat poison every night.
rat poison is a blood thinner, meaning you have some kind of cardiovascular issue and prone to blood clots..
If you'd get off your fat truck driver ass and work you wouldn't need medication!
please take a little more, like the whole bottle!
Oh, the heart Doctor speaks and he doesn't have a clue.
In the words of Lib, does it hurt to be that stupid?
As for you? The pistol rental offer still stands
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 23 2015,9:59 am
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 23 2015,11:14 am
< Cost of Generic Drugs Soaring Due to Increased Demand from Obamacare >< Generic Drug Price Increases Impact the Affordable Care Insured >
Looks like it full circle with a common hub call bambinocare.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 23 2015,12:03 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 23 2015,11:14 am)
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< Cost of Generic Drugs Soaring Due to Increased Demand from Obamacare >
< Generic Drug Price Increases Impact the Affordable Care Insured >
Looks like it full circle with a common hub call bambinocare.
< Generic Drug Price Increases Impact the Affordable Care Insured >
Looks like it full circle with a common hub call bambinocare.
But who is responsible for it Maddog?
From one of your articles:
For the pharmaceutical sector, the Act is set to be deep pockets payoff. Projected profits from new health care insured are expected to increase $10 billion to $35 billion in the next ten years.
< http://www.philly2philly.com/politic...impact_ >
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When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it.
....
Fowler is once again passing through the deeply corrupting revolving door as she leaves the Obama administration to return to the loving and lucrative arms of the private health care industry:
"Elizabeth Fowler is leaving the White House for a senior-level position leading 'global health policy' at Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group."
< http://www.theguardian.com/comment...dustry1 >
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This is back awhile. Before Obamacare, but still important:
After pushing hard (even threatening members of congress to change their votes) and passing legislation barring government from negotiation prices with pharmaceutical companies, at least 15 congressional staffers, congressmen and federal officials quit their jobs and went to work for the pharma industry. The biggest pusher of the legislation became a pharma lobbyist making $2 million a year.
< http://www.cbsnews.com/news/under-the-influence/ >
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This is a fun site:
< http://www.cptech.org/ip/health/politics/revolvingdoor.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 23 2015,12:10 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 23 2015,11:14 am)
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< Cost of Generic Drugs Soaring Due to Increased Demand from Obamacare >
< Generic Drug Price Increases Impact the Affordable Care Insured >
Looks like it full circle with a common hub call bambinocare.
< Generic Drug Price Increases Impact the Affordable Care Insured >
Looks like it full circle with a common hub call bambinocare.
Just plain old price gouging, there’s no shortages...it’s time to allow importation of drugs from other countries, you tards are all about free trade...
Mergers and acquisitions in the generic drug industry have reduced the number of competitors. "One of the reasons generic drugs are inexpensive is that there is/was competition in the market.
Between 2002 and 2013, for instance, the number of manufacturers making oral digoxin, a heart drug, fell from eight to three — and the cost soared by 637 percent.
< http://www.aarp.org/health...2.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 23 2015,12:30 pm
^^ Ah! AARP, the nice folks that supply kindling for my wood stove at my cabin.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 23 2015,12:31 pm
Bush administration said Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003 would cost $400 billion. Richard Foster estimated it would be more like $500-600 billion. It was Foster's job to analyze the cost. He was threatened repeatedly and barred from telling congress the truth.< http://www.gao.gov/decisions/appro/302911.htm >
The guy who threatened Foster, his boss, Thomas Scully is now a highly paid lobbyist for pharmaceutical companies.
Posted by stardust14 on Sep. 24 2015,1:02 am
Well, c'mon. Price gouging is just a part of capitalism. Believe in darwinian capitalism, wear a tin foil hat...whatever. You're immune from that disease. Even if that belief drives you to the poor house, as the middle class is now aware.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 24 2015,8:33 am
Obviously no one here took basic economics.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 24 2015,1:07 pm
The only shortage is in ethics, something a car salesman wouldn’t know anything about!The pharmaceutical industry offshored years ago, they contract with other manufactures in foreign countries to produce ever cheaper drugs to maximize profit.
Several are headquartered in the US but manufacturing has been contracted out for some time...
According to the FDA, only 13% of generic prescription drugs are made in the USA, 43% in China and 39% in India. the remaining 5% ??
< http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/opinion/dingell-drug-oversight/ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2015,1:14 pm
^^and your problem is??
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 24 2015,1:47 pm
I realize you have a short attention span, we were discussing the outrages escalation in the price of prescription drugs, particularly when the manufacturing, research and development have been offshored.In particular, why are we Americans paying double the cost for the same drug as other Industrialized nations?
Profits have to be made but when they become obscene it’s not like one can just refuse to buy needed medication.
I'm not on any medication myself, but I do pay taxes and insurance premiums, both of which will increase to cover this money grab!
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 24 2015,6:43 pm
^^I realize you probably lead a sheltered life, suckling at you mom's teat then the unions, and as the "car salesman" said you have no idea how economics work. (He stated the obvious)Here, lesson 1
Prices of commodities and services are market driven, let's dumb that down even further, if people want something a lot, it'll cost more.
So endth the lesson
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 24 2015,8:42 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 24 2015,6:43 pm)
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Prices of commodities and services are market driven, let's dumb that down even further, if people want something a lot, it'll cost more.
So, if that works so well, why do so many industries feel the need for more and more lax regulation? The FDA was put in place to protect peoples' health and lives, but it seems they're almost as toothless as the EPA nowadays. Things that should have never passed clinical trials often do, only to end up as some 1-800-BAD-DRUG class-action lawsuit.
You have to wonder about someone who thinks that giant multinational corporations won't stop at harming their own country's economy, or consumers' well-being.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2015,4:47 am
^^The EPA and the FDA are like any other gov run agency, a tool of whoever's in power. Repub, dem, it doesn't matte. And I see this is a good time to enter...
Rule number two,
Caveat emptor, let the buyer beware. Be a smart consumer, research what you put in your body. It's pretty easy nowadays with the Internet at our fingertips. In other words Botto, put the Twinkie down
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 25 2015,8:42 am
Twinkie? That's rich, coming from someone who likely has to sit down to see his feet.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 25 2015,10:05 am
^^ Mommy's calling, she's in the back yard with the garden hose waiting to give you your weekly bath.Time to come out of the basement.
Posted by stardust14 on Sep. 26 2015,12:18 am
(Expatriate @ Sep. 24 2015,1:07 pm)
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The only shortage is in ethics
So true. Something easily sold, bought, or lost. Our local Economics 101 professors may know their current market value, the supply/demand ratio.
Strange thing is a person can sell their ethics daily and never run out. A person could become wealthy doing that. And call it Economics.
Posted by Marneman on Sep. 26 2015,3:54 am
Quoting Mr. Roosevelt again(Teddy, not Franklin)(and I'm parapharsing)"I have nothing against a man making a profit off his business, but making an obscene profit off the backs of his fellow citizens is wrong!"
This Scheiler clown (I don't care if i'm spelling this idiots name correctly) needs to slither back under the slimey rock he crawled out from. Taking a drug that has been around for nearly 60 years and was overpriced at $13 a pill and jacking the price to $750 a pill is obscenity at its worst! Then after he's confronted about it on the news he says he'll lower the price some. Oh I guess he means to $500 a pill instead. When pharmacutical companies gouge us Americans for meds that they charge the rest of the world a normal price for it's just wrong! Obviously the problem can be traced back to our government, both Republicans and Democrats, who take big Pharma's money and screw over the citizens of this country. Not that Obammacare has done anything to fix this problem! This coming year the "Cadillac" insurance tax kicks in and apparentlly any insurance plan outside of the government wimpy plan is a "Cadillac" plan. (At least some of the greedy bastards in the insurance industry will eat some karma for backing "Obamacare" now!) The obvious solution to our nation's medical problem can be fixed in a couple of steps;
1. Get control of malpractice rates. I know their a plenty of bad doctors out there and they need to be outed and driven out of the profession, but we need to get greedy lawyers out of the process so rates can come down.
2. Price controls on drugs, medical devices, and hospitals. All the industries involved in the medical field are gougeing us either directly on indirectly through our tax dollars and it needs to stop.
3. Re-regulating the insurance industry for medical insurance, or a more balanced govenrment program that covers all of us and dosen't destroy us finacially.
I know that some of this is wishful thinking on my part, and I don't expect a lot to get done anytime soon, but I just wanted to get some of this off my chest!
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 26 2015,7:51 am
@MarnemanSolidarity is the only way we’ll accomplish anything, It’s nice to see that at least some of the rightwing recognize the problem we face.
As for your worry on the Cadillac Plans, it’s 2018, the numbers are indexed to inflation, meaning these numbers will increase yearly.
On February 23, 2015, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued a notice covering a number of issues concerning the Cadillac Tax, No regulations have been issued to date.
For planning purposes, the thresholds for high-cost plans are currently $10,200 for individual coverage, and $27,500 for family coverage.
For pre-65 retirees and individuals in high-risk professions, the threshold amounts are currently $11,850 for individual coverage and $30,950 for family coverage.
These thresholds will be updated for 2018 when final regulations are issued and thereafter indexed for inflation in future years
Cost of coverage includes the total contributions paid by both the employer and employees, but not cost-sharing amounts such as deductibles, coinsurance and copays when care is received.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 26 2015,9:47 am
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 27 2015,8:31 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 28 2015,7:53 pm
^^ so when does this person go to prison?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 29 2015,6:34 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 29 2015,8:03 am
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 28 2015,7:53 pm)
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^^ so when does this person go to prison?
A better question might be, "Why do you hate your fellow man, and when are you going to seek therapy for that affliction?"
My ninth-grade math teacher took me to task for looking down on the slower kids in our midst. I have since made a conscious effort to apply that thinking to how I view others. To consider yourself about average and further assert that the secret to life is hard work just like you demonstrate, and to further asset that anyone not making it just isn't trying hard enough is ludicrous.
I could do what you do for a living, but I would eventually find that life devoid of challenges, and would regret choosing that path. I seriously doubt you could do what I do, because your brain just doesn't work that way. None of this makes one of us better than the other.
None of it.
We're all different. Sure, there's a lot of common ground, and past socio-economic policies of our government have acknowledged this, exploited it, even, but this divisive "The rich are somehow better than us" rhetoric gets us nowhere.
Paying people what their time is worth won't bankrupt the nation. At best, it might ever so slightly inconvenience rich people. How is that such a horrible thing?
If you want to have a political debate with me, all the while spouting Ayn Rand BS, be prepared to show your work. And for God's sake stop acting like the rich want you in their club. They don't.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 29 2015,10:17 am
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 29 2015,8:03 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 28 2015,7:53 pm)
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^^ so when does this person go to prison?
A better question might be, "Why do you hate your fellow man, and when are you going to seek therapy for that affliction?"
My ninth-grade math teacher took me to task for looking down on the slower kids in our midst. I have since made a conscious effort to apply that thinking to how I view others. To consider yourself about average and further assert that the secret to life is hard work just like you demonstrate, and to further asset that anyone not making it just isn't trying hard enough is ludicrous.
I could do what you do for a living, but I would eventually find that life devoid of challenges, and would regret choosing that path. I seriously doubt you could do what I do, because your brain just doesn't work that way. None of this makes one of us better than the other.
None of it.
We're all different. Sure, there's a lot of common ground, and past socio-economic policies of our government have acknowledged this, exploited it, even, but this divisive "The rich are somehow better than us" rhetoric gets us nowhere.
Paying people what their time is worth won't bankrupt the nation. At best, it might ever so slightly inconvenience rich people. How is that such a horrible thing?
If you want to have a political debate with me, all the while spouting Ayn Rand BS, be prepared to show your work. And for God's sake stop acting like the rich want you in their club. They don't.
Two things,
1. Sorry, meant that post for stroke lady's thread
but Bullsh!t Bernie's most likely guilty of something so "what the hell"2. I'm so pleased oyou have me figured out
I don't hate poeple, I do dislike idiots and folks that milk welfare for all it's worth. Me do what you do? I have no idea what you do or even have an interest. You do what I do? Highly doubtful, maybe the mechanics of what I do you might be able to do but being successful, especially at the level I do? Knock yourself out and give it a try, you'll file bankruptcy within 6 months.
Granted what I do is a bit mind numbing at times but I have other pursuits that are stimulating.
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 29 2015,4:14 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 29 2015,6:20 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 29 2015,6:25 pm
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 29 2015,11:42 pm
(Self-Banished @ Sep. 29 2015,6:25 pm)
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The current federal minimum wage is starvation pay and must become a living wage. We must increase it to $15 an hour over the next several years.
< https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-living-wage/ >
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The Pay Workers a Living Wage Act phases in a $15 minimum wage by 2020 over 5 steps, increasing to $9
in 2016, $10.50 in 2017, $12.00 in 2018, $13.50 in 2019, and $15 in 2020. After 2020, the minimum wage
will be indexed to the median hourly wage. The tipped minimum wage will be gradually eliminated.
in 2016, $10.50 in 2017, $12.00 in 2018, $13.50 in 2019, and $15 in 2020. After 2020, the minimum wage
will be indexed to the median hourly wage. The tipped minimum wage will be gradually eliminated.
< http://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa...ne=file >
So he's already paying his interns the wage he proposes for the minimum wage of 2018.
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Top Economists are backing Sen. Bernie Sanders on Establishing a $15 an hour minimum wage:
Moreover, since 1968, average U.S. labor productivity has risen by roughly 140 percent. This means that, if the federal minimum wage had risen in step with both inflation and average labor productivity since 1968, the federal minimum wage today would be $26.00 an hour.
Moreover, since 1968, average U.S. labor productivity has risen by roughly 140 percent. This means that, if the federal minimum wage had risen in step with both inflation and average labor productivity since 1968, the federal minimum wage today would be $26.00 an hour.
< http://www.budget.senate.gov/democra...um-wage >
Vermont minimum wage $9.15
Washington DC minimum wage $10.50
Federal minimum wage $7.25
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 30 2015,3:59 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 30 2015,5:03 am
Typical SB slime, Rose puts him in his place, he comes with more rightwing slime...there's little question why this lowbrow fat boy is driving a truck...
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 30 2015,5:22 am
^^You mean the sh!t filled left wing stuff you sling? This is rich from some flabby-assed old fart that never took a chance in life because he had it controlled by a bunch of neo-nazi Union idiots
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 30 2015,5:22 am
...
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 30 2015,5:37 am
^^I'll have to admit to agreeing with one of Bullsh!t's points, Snowden But correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you a bit pissed about Snowden spilling the beans?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 30 2015,5:51 am
this was my comment on Snowden< http://www.albertlea.com/cgi-bin...16;st=0 >
Expat quote: Jun. 25 2013,8
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I’ve been really busy this spring, just what has Snowden leaked we didn’t already know?
If Snowden as a low end consultant was making $200,000 just what is this program costing US
I could care less if the Feds want records of my email or phone but I do care about
my tax dollars and the cost-effectiveness ratio of this program.
If Snowden as a low end consultant was making $200,000 just what is this program costing US
I could care less if the Feds want records of my email or phone but I do care about
my tax dollars and the cost-effectiveness ratio of this program.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 30 2015,6:57 am
TruckStink thinks he's going to be one of those billionaires someday. Good luck with that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 30 2015,8:44 am
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TruckStink thinks he's going to be one of those billionaires someday.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
Billionaire? No, quite comfortable? Very much so
So what do you do in life besides sitting around thinking up lame insults?
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 30 2015,1:03 pm
Do you hear a single Republican even whisper about this rip-off, NO because they care more about their true constituents, the wealthy few the robber barons the 1%ers... Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 30 2015,2:40 pm
^^Have some more.
Posted by stardust14 on Sep. 30 2015,11:40 pm
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TruckStink thinks he's going to be one of those billionaires someday.
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
Yuppies think they're really just momentarily embarrassed billionaires. Yuppies' devoted undying empathy for money brings tears to the eyes. And more tears for those "insolvent" billionaires and corporate giants, all traitors to America. The first sign of lowered profits and the yellow bellies scamper off to despot China seeking more obedient bowed brow workers and corporate welfare.
Instead of begging and bribing these traitors back to the US they should be tried for treason and punished.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 01 2015,4:31 am
(stardust14 @ Sep. 30 2015,11:40 pm)
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Yuppies think they're really just momentarily embarrassed billionaires. Yuppies' devoted undying empathy for money brings tears to the eyes. And more tears for those "insolvent" billionaires and corporate giants, all traitors to America. The first sign of lowered profits and the yellow bellies scamper off to despot China seeking more obedient bowed brow workers and corporate welfare.
Instead of begging and bribing these traitors back to the US they should be tried for treason and punished.
Instead of begging and bribing these traitors back to the US they should be tried for treason and punished.
Of course! This is the solution, let's force them to come back or else we'll throw them in prison! That'll inspire freedom, creativity
and while we're at it let's force them to pay a wage where everyone can afford a house in the suburbs, two cars etc, etc, etc. Wow, your post reeks of stupidity but of course you'll come back and whine about the sport of politics here. You're fairly new here so allow me to slap you with a bit of reality,
Life's tough Buttercup
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 02 2015,6:34 am
@
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 02 2015,4:55 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 01 2015,4:31 am)
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(stardust14 @ Sep. 30 2015,11:40 pm)
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Yuppies think they're really just momentarily embarrassed billionaires. Yuppies' devoted undying empathy for money brings tears to the eyes. And more tears for those "insolvent" billionaires and corporate giants, all traitors to America. The first sign of lowered profits and the yellow bellies scamper off to despot China seeking more obedient bowed brow workers and corporate welfare.
Instead of begging and bribing these traitors back to the US they should be tried for treason and punished.
Instead of begging and bribing these traitors back to the US they should be tried for treason and punished.
Of course! This is the solution, let's force them to come back or else we'll throw them in prison! That'll inspire freedom, creativity
and while we're at it let's force them to pay a wage where everyone can afford a house in the suburbs, two cars etc, etc, etc. Wow, your post reeks of stupidity but of course you'll come back and whine about the sport of politics here. You're fairly new here so allow me to slap you with a bit of reality,
Life's tough Buttercup
Thanks for proving my points about certain posters on this site.
I find that those who post here intermittently show more thought coming from their own mind, not repetitive parroting from media. The ole boys club veterans prefer to drink, throw sand, parrot, and intimidate; pretending they're yet 14 yr old punks. Botto is one exception among others.
Please, anyone surfing this site fearful of expressing your thoughts---put aside your dignity for a few moments and add some light to this brothel. The decade old inbred conversation here needs new blood.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 03 2015,7:59 am
Wow, I respond to a "over the top" post you make with my own post being what I thought, matching in kind and I get a poindexter spanking. Your post was asinine, and I just pointed it out. You seem to go into full butthurt mode. What's next?
Posted by grassman on Oct. 03 2015,8:19 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 03 2015,7:59 am)
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Wow, I respond to a "over the top" post you make with my own post being what I thought, matching in kind and I get a poindexter spanking.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 04 2015,7:46 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 04 2015,8:26 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 04 2015,8:54 am
"Tax hard working 'people' to the breaking point"? Just how much tax did GE pay last year? (Hint: Zero.) And what is their "breaking point"? The biggest "leeches" are multinationals that have been offshoring jobs and profits for years, only to lobby for more lax regulation and loopholes. If they would have kept jobs here, there'd be a lot less unemployed and underemployed peeps on government assistance. But you apologists for the rich just refuse to see that, don't you?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 04 2015,9:10 am
^^I don't do any work for GE (an especially friendly ally of Buster)but one of the other big drains is welfare and criminal immigrants , just take a look at California. The middle class are the work horses that feed our tax base. Though I'm leaning towards Trump I'm not too crazy about his tax plan that eliminates taxes for those under 25K and couples, 50K. Most of the other points of his plan I like, for instance striking down the "death tax".Parroting has been mentioned on this site and with your comment on corperations skipping on taxes you seem to be one trained bird.
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 04 2015,1:54 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 04 2015,9:10 am)
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Parroting has been mentioned on this site and with your comment on corperations skipping on taxes you seem to be one trained bird.
And the endless going on and on with the shaming of low-income people on public assistance somehow isn't parroting?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 04 2015,3:35 pm
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 04 2015,1:54 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 04 2015,9:10 am)
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Parroting has been mentioned on this site and with your comment on corperations skipping on taxes you seem to be one trained bird.
And the endless going on and on with the shaming of low-income people on public assistance somehow isn't parroting?
Sometimes the truth hurts.
Posted by grassman on Oct. 05 2015,6:16 am
Yes, sometimes the truth does hurt. The truth is, corporate finds a way to make money, any way they can. Whether it justified or not. SB always spills about supply and demand. Read this.Who benefits from lower oil prices? By STEVE AUSTIN for OIL-PRICE.NET, 2015/09/02
Lower fuel prices are great for the consumer, but we know that not all of the cost saving of lower crude oil and gas prices have been passed on to the general public. Oil and gas refiners prosper from lower oil prices. Like the rest of the oil industry, refiners' revenues are down, but their profit margins are up significantly.
Refiners are using lower crude prices to widen their cut of the pump price of oil. In other words, the lower price of oil is not entirely passed down to consumers at the pump, instead the difference is enabling refiners to increase their profits. The recorded fall in the gas pump price of $1.20 per gallon is a definite benefit to the American consumer. Under normal circumstances, economists would expect this saving to boost spending on consumer goods. However, this time around, people don't seem to be spending their gas savings on buying larger gas guzzling vehicles. This may be because the trend towards energy efficiency is finally starting to lodge in the American psyche. Recent memory of economic uncertainty also seems to have made the average American nervous about spending.
An increasing fraction of American consumers has decided to pocket that saving and pay down debt, rather than splurging on household gadgets or luxury vacations. Therefore, families will also be long-term winners from the crude price fall. Parents now rate financial security over comfort spending.
By far, refiners have been the biggest winners of the crude oil price downturn. This position is reflected in the stock valuations of refining companies. The stock price of the refiners, Valero Energy went from $43.76 per share in November 2014 to $70.43 in August 2015. This rise was mainly due to the company's surge in profits. In June 2014 the business reported a profit margin of 1.68 per cent. By June 2015, that figure had risen to 5.38 per cent. Refiner Tesoro Corporation has risen in value from $56.20 in June 2014 to $102.08 in August 2015.
As an illustration of the increased margins the refiners experienced, figures from Total S.A. show a margin of $3.75 per barrel in the final quarter of that year. Profitability took off through 2015 and the company reported its refining margins at $6.73 in the first quarter and $7.36 in the second quarter.
There are laws in place to protect against profiteering. These laws prevent gas stations from overcharging for gas during crises and natural disasters, such as tornadoes. Shouldn't they be applied? By definition, a business can be accused of profiteering when it raises prices during awar or emergency. Although the current oil price is a matter of global economic importance, it cannot be defined as a crisis or an emergency.
In fact the pump price for gasoline is slightly cheaper than it used to be a year ago so the prices were not even raised. This is called capitalism, not profiteering and is central to a free market economy. This is the American way. If you too want to benefit from this situation you can -- buy refiner or oil storage stocks.
So you see, the only way to make it these days, is to have cash laying around to throw at the market.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 05 2015,6:28 am
@
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 05 2015,8:41 am
< http://www.seattletimes.com/busines...os-2006 >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 06 2015,5:04 am
^^So the SeattleTimes says business is booming, why the hell would you want to elect a Republican to F things up again?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 06 2015,5:27 am
People are buying cars but not much else, unemployment numbers (real ones) suck. Major retailers are down and laying off. Foreign policy is a bad joke and our healthcare is ready to explode in our faces.Sure, let's put this frothing idiot in and really screw things up
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 06 2015,9:02 am
< http://www.cnbc.com/2015...I'm > Yep, a booming economy.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 06 2015,12:46 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 06 2015,9:02 am)
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< http://www.cnbc.com/2015...I'm >
Yep, a booming economy.
Yep, a booming economy.
Just quoting the link YOU posted Dumbo..
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 06 2015,2:20 pm
^^ It's CNBC, what do you expect?The article I read(and there were several more links) was on QE 4, fire up the printing presses, here we go again. Zero interest and the financial gurus were terrified last week as to wether or not the fed was going to raise interest a whole 1/4 point.
I'll find you another later dumbass.
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 06 2015,2:38 pm
Our money is worthless. Why you kooks get all bent out of shape when the government gives a little to poor people is beyond me.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 07 2015,4:42 am
< http://www.zerohedge.com/news...-charts >< http://finance.yahoo.com/news...20.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 07 2015,5:47 am
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 07 2015,5:59 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 07 2015,6:12 am
^^ this guy had a large following too.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 07 2015,6:14 am
This too.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 08 2015,6:26 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 11 2015,10:20 am
< http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/30/the-problem-with-bernie/ >
Hmmmmm,
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 12 2015,12:55 am
Geez, we tried it twice in the last few decades. Elected Reagan and Bush. Trickle down my legs economics, recessions both times. Do we need a third lesson in 2016 to teach any awake citizens? No, just another wasted lesson to suck-up middle class citizens already up to their necks in greed. Corporate America persuaded the imps in playing the game---debt, college, investments, tribal politics. So suck it up, suckers.Almost every candidate reflects the complete social narcissism present. Not Bernie. What really irks the other candidates and corrupted voters is Bernie's consistancy. All the others are plastic Chinese-made American flags flopping in whatever direction the wind blows.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,3:59 am
^^ yeah, Bernie's consistent alright I especially like number 7
< http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...es.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,6:14 am
^American Thinker, now that’s a true oxymoron, it’s a far right political blog Dumbo! Propaganda Bullsh!t with a capital B..
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,6:27 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,7:06 am
^^ Compared to what you follow?? I'll take that as a compliment, especially compared to the bullsh!t that you post. Look carefully in the mirror when you're scraping your face this am, you'll see the true "Dumbo"
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,7:33 am
^You mean like post 863, Bernie Sanders interviewed by a Republican?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,8:59 am
^^ interviewed by a RHINO? then more followed by
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,9:06 am
Let's take it look at number 7Basically it says when should all become union members. Phone it in, be lazy, not do a damned thing more because there'll be no incentive, no reason to work harder, no creativity.
Is this how you spend you life Dumbo?
7) Bernie finds income inequality immoral – the idea that one person with greater ability and who works harder makes more money than another person who doesn't. In a perfectly moral society, we will all make the same amount of money no matter how hard we work and no matter what we do. Now, isn't that moral?
Read more: < http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...MW9Rwru >
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on FacebookYou
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,9:24 am
^^^100%
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,9:31 am
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American Thinker (affectionately nicknamed "American Stinker" by its fans) is an online wingnut publication that's more or less the poor man's WND or Newsmax. They've published articles by such conservative luminaries as Noel Sheppard (NewsBusters) and Pamela Geller and such climate experts as S. Fred Singer and Christopher Monckton, as well as an interview with (and hagiography of) white nationalist Jared Taylor.[2]
The magazine, of course, is chock-full of right-wing conspiracy theories, woo, and pseudoscience. On the conspiracy side, they promote birtherism, "creeping sharia," red-baiting, and still occasionally prattle on about Vince Foster. On the science side, they concentrate on creationism and global warming denialism.
The magazine, of course, is chock-full of right-wing conspiracy theories, woo, and pseudoscience. On the conspiracy side, they promote birtherism, "creeping sharia," red-baiting, and still occasionally prattle on about Vince Foster. On the science side, they concentrate on creationism and global warming denialism.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,10:03 am
^^ and the same ilk can be said of your resources.But go ahead, a response to good ol' # 7 might be interesting coming from you.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 12 2015,11:09 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 12 2015,10:03 am)
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^^ and the same ilk can be said of your resources.
But go ahead, a response to good ol' # 7 might be interesting coming from you.
But go ahead, a response to good ol' # 7 might be interesting coming from you.
I'd like to respond to #7. Hope you don't mind Expat.
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7) Bernie finds income inequality immoral – the idea that one person with greater ability and who works harder makes more money than another person who doesn't. In a perfectly moral society, we will all make the same amount of money no matter how hard we work and no matter what we do. Now, isn't that moral?
SB, seriously, read that quote you posted from #7. You honestly think Bernie has EVER said that?
Honestly SB. And if you truly think that's what Bernie has been saying or that's what he believes... you should probably actually start reading things he himself puts out, or listening to things he actually says. < View on YouTube >
Meanwhile, I tend to agree with Botto. Even if Bernie gets elected, I don't think anything will change much. For one reason or another. Maybe I'm just too cynical and untrusting of pretty much the entire system of government. Unless millions of us become more vocal and active in actual change, I don't think it will ever happen. And I don't think enough people will actually become vocal and active until it's too late...but then it's too late.
Stardust:
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All the others are plastic Chinese-made American flags flopping in whatever direction the wind blows.
and 
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,11:26 am
^^yes, I honestly believe this twit wants to turn the US to a socialist country like Denmark, Sweden, etc.Maybe he should just move there, maybe even you < http://gothamist.com/2015....phpyou >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,12:02 pm
^^Here's a thought Dumbo, why don't you check your links to see if they work!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 12 2015,12:05 pm
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^^yes, I honestly believe this twit wants to turn the US to a socialist country like Denmark, Sweden, etc.
Why do you believe that? Because you are told to?
Or, because of the $15/hour wage? Which was explained.
Or, because of
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7) Bernie finds income inequality immoral – the idea that one person with greater ability and who works harder makes more money than another person who doesn't. In a perfectly moral society, we will all make the same amount of money no matter how hard we work and no matter what we do. Now, isn't that moral?
Which is one of the most ridiculous things ever parroted. Sorry SB, but maybe, like has already been said, you should be listening and reading what actually comes from him instead of lying spinning talking heads.You'd at least be better informed on certain things.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 12 2015,12:23 pm
Expat, I think SB was trying to link the the Stephen Colbert interview of Bernie Sanders?< http://gawker.com/stephen...1801448 >
Maybe I'm mistaken though, because I don't see how that interview cast Bernie in any sort of bad light. Great interview.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 12 2015,12:24 pm
(Expatriate @ Oct. 12 2015,12:02 pm)
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^^Here's a thought Dumbo, why don't you check your links to see if they work!
I guess I'm still in a good mood today. With liberals wanting someone to do everything for them.
I found the link with no problem.
< stephen colbert grills bernie >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,12:45 pm
^^thankyou sir.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 12 2015,1:37 pm
I enjoy Colbert, I didn’t think he was grilling Sanders, just his usual sarcastic humor.Actually Sanders captivated the crowd, chanting and loud applause to Bernie’s entrance and every statement!
Here's the whole interview and not some rightwing soundbites..
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2015,4:41 pm
Maybe Bullsh!t Bernie's not completely against capitalism, if it benefits him < http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3...r-from- >
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 13 2015,12:21 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 12 2015,11:09 am)
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SB, seriously, read that quote you posted from #7. You honestly think Bernie has EVER said that? Honestly SB. And if you truly think that's what Bernie has been saying or that's what he believes... you should probably actually start reading things he himself puts out, or listening to things he actually says.
Meanwhile, I tend to agree with Botto. Even if Bernie gets elected, I don't think anything will change much. For one reason or another. Maybe I'm just too cynical and untrusting of pretty much the entire system of government. Unless millions of us become more vocal and active in actual change, I don't think it will ever happen. And I don't think enough people will actually become vocal and active until it's too late...but then it's too late.
Honestly SB. And if you truly think that's what Bernie has been saying or that's what he believes... you should probably actually start reading things he himself puts out, or listening to things he actually says. Meanwhile, I tend to agree with Botto. Even if Bernie gets elected, I don't think anything will change much. For one reason or another. Maybe I'm just too cynical and untrusting of pretty much the entire system of government. Unless millions of us become more vocal and active in actual change, I don't think it will ever happen. And I don't think enough people will actually become vocal and active until it's too late...but then it's too late.
Parrots don't mind basing their song and dance on second, third, or fourth hand info-gossip. A real abuse of references.
You're right, Rosalind. Nothing will change at the capitol. But a progressive president could influence many policies outside the baboons in congress---court appointees, justice investigations, etc.
No leader can mandate a society's ethics. They choose. And this country's mutated ethics is keenly apparent.
A hypocritical citizenry, the ones complicit in social/financial crimes, pat themselves on the back during good times. When consequences for their crimes begin forming a thick gooey scum in their lives these same dolts blame their elected officials, not themselves.
Dysfuntional leaders = dysfunctional citizens. The world is full of examples.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,6:21 am
And maybe he's not so bad on gun control< https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ry.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,6:27 am
Then again, depending which way the wind is blowing... < http://www.salon.com/2015..._debate >
Seems to be like any other candidate
I wonder if he can be taught? Like a parrot maybe?
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 13 2015,9:47 am
With the exception of expatriot it seems the nut jobs are the only ones supporting Bernie on this site. Even on Facebook my only friends that support him seem to have taken a break from posting their normal crap like 911 was an inside job, Rothschild's control the world, the people running the country are lizard people, Tesla invented free energy and the government stole it, Sandy hook was a hoax, and any other conspiracy you can imagine.Sometimes I wish the democrats didn't have such a big tent.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,10:02 am
Oh I have Facebook friends that are absolutely baths!t for Bernie and are letting it be known. I rend to be fairly quiet on there.The repubs aren't much better lib.
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 13 2015,11:01 pm
Admittedly some here do not fit through the holes in the Democrat processing sieve. They haven't been ground into pulp, reformulated, and pressure squeezed through. They don't mix well with local "democrat" formula. Lucky we be.And who is your average local democrat? Someone so close to the political fence you need a scalpel to free their backside from the backside of Repubs on the other side. What they're doing there so close together I'd rather not say.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 14 2015,1:47 am
(stardust14 @ Oct. 13 2015,11:01 pm)
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And who is your average local democrat? Someone so close to the political fence you need a scalpel to free their backside from the backside of Repubs on the other side. What they're doing there so close together I'd rather not say.
Freakin funnySo, I watched the debate, I watched the CNN discussion after the debate. Anyone else watch that? They showed polls from during and after the debate. Bernie Sanders won by more than 70% on every single CNN poll topic. Yet after the debate CNN put out two articles. Both declaring Clinton the winner.
Facebook people are going all out on CNN's debate page.
< https://www.facebook.com/cnn >
< http://www.cnn.com/2015...-losers >
< http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-updates/ >
Sanders is also polling over 70% in all the other mainstream polls.
CNN facebook poll. Bernie Sanders at 81%.
< https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039 >
But Hillary won the debate?
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 14 2015,2:27 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 14 2015,1:47 am)
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So, I watched the debate, I watched the CNN discussion after the debate. Anyone else watch that? They showed polls from during and after the debate. Bernie Sanders won by more than 70% on every single CNN poll topic. Yet after the debate CNN put out two articles. Both declaring Clinton the winner.
But Hillary won the debate?
But Hillary won the debate?
Good for Bernie. Beforehand the media was doubting his ability at debate. Bernie may not be a marbled-mouth self-seller like other candidates. Sometimes honest opinion and facts can carry the day.
It figures CNN would side with Hillary. Bernie's not close enough to the fence to get in on the "action". It proves how close conservative CNN and "liberal" dems are. They both fear challenges from their left and right.
The unholy marriage of Dems and Repubs is preceded by years of promiscuous activities behind the bushes in our backyard. Time for Bernie and citizens to lift the branches and expose naked lies(Repubs) and corruption(Dems).
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 14 2015,2:54 am
(stardust14 @ Oct. 14 2015,2:27 am)
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It figures CNN would side with Hillary.
It's ridiculous. CNN has been the Clinton News Network since she announced. They actually have a staff writer with the moniker Dan Merica that writes most of that glowing crap.
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 14 2015,7:39 pm
Listened to the debate via radio today. Just audio helps one to focus on what is said. CNN did its utmost to turn the candidates on one another. Fail. No surprises otherwise. The other candidates not sure what to do with Bernie. A thorn in the side but for now they'll play copycat. Wish Bernie would focus on international issues a bit more. He made mince meat out of the others on domestic policy.Hillary was Hillary, for whatever that's worth. It's not even fair to compare Martin O'Malley or Webb with counterparts like Trump. Reason vs Mr. Greed.
And no fearmongering fascist bigots on stage.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2015,11:00 pm
Does anyone really believe America would elect a conscientious objector that is no longer a conscientious objector once he becomes a senator? I've never had a problem with conscientious objectors but the fact that he no longer is one upsets me.
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 15 2015,3:42 am
(Liberal @ Oct. 14 2015,11:00 pm)
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Does anyone really believe America would elect a conscientious objector that is no longer a conscientious objector once he becomes a senator? I've never had a problem with conscientious objectors but the fact that he no longer is one upsets me.
Really? This? Clinton is a wholly-owned shill of Goldman-Sachs, et al, and THIS is your objection?
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2015,6:23 am
When the Clinton supporters feel the need to dis Sanders on this thread you know they’re “feelin the Bern”!For an obscure Senator from Vermont with little name recognition he rocketed in Google searches during the debate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2015,6:55 am
Here's some interesting numbers also,< http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/democratic-debate-tuesday-ratings/ >
9 million less viewers, that's a pretty significant spread. More folks tuned in to watch NCIS. My wife and I watched the debate though she wanted to watch NCIS, I guess I was just in a mood for a comedy that night
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2015,7:26 am
^^Those numbers are irrelevant in today’s online society, only you fogies pay for cable...
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2015,8:22 am
No cable, dish but what's the difference?Nope, they're pretty relevant.
As I've said, if this is the best the Dems have, they're in trouble big time.
It's a long time to election but unless something changes the Dems are about to have the asses kicked.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 15 2015,8:49 am
(Expatriate @ Oct. 15 2015,6:23 am)
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When the Clinton supporters feel the need to dis Sanders on this thread you know they’re “feelin the Bern”!
For an obscure Senator from Vermont with little name recognition he rocketed in Google searches during the debate.
For an obscure Senator from Vermont with little name recognition he rocketed in Google searches during the debate.
The Clinton supporters may be a little too overconfident. But then, isn't Hillary just a tad bit cocky also? Sanders did well for the 45 minutes or so I watched the debate. I was disappointed he didn't that he never REALLY challenged Clinton on much. I think he would have done much better if he had.
Too bad Hillary has so much control over the DNC that they scheduled few debates.
< DNC Accused of Rigging Debate Schedule to Benefit Hillary Clinton >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 15 2015,11:27 am
SB, I'd say the viewing numbers are relevant since this was the biggest viewership ever for a democratic debate. Democratic debates have never had as many viewers as Republicans, and this year Trump was on the stage....Democratic debates on average have 2 - 5 million viewers, this one had around 17 million if you include internet views. I'd say that's significant.
MADDOG, Democracy Now just had an interesting show on that.
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REP. TULSI GABBARD: I’ve been pretty vocal about calling out for more debates. I’ve been calling for more debates to give the American people the opportunity to hear from these presidential candidates, to listen to what they’ve got to say, to hold them accountable for their views and their positions. Because that differentiated from the decision that the chairwoman made from the DNC, I was told that I was no longer welcome to come to the debate.
< http://www.democracynow.org/2015...f_first >
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,12:01 pm
(Botto 82 @ Oct. 15 2015,3:42 am)
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(Liberal @ Oct. 14 2015,11:00 pm)
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Does anyone really believe America would elect a conscientious objector that is no longer a conscientious objector once he becomes a senator? I've never had a problem with conscientious objectors but the fact that he no longer is one upsets me.
Really? This? Clinton is a wholly-owned shill of Goldman-Sachs, et al, and THIS is your objection?
Spot on, Botto. When the public is being flattened by the bus is it wise to be fretting over the price of gas?
The "electability" factor used as a litmus test by the publc for the last few decades has failed big time in producing trustworthy smart candidates. Lincolns or Teddy Roosevelts would never be elected today. They wouldn't have a high enough sugar content to satisfy all the future politically diabetic voters.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2015,7:58 pm
Having a little fun < http://youtu.be/a0SvFxPWua0 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 15 2015,8:50 pm
SB, ya dork.< View on YouTube >
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,9:47 pm
Did anyone see the story on how Bernie Sanders rejects donation from ‘poster boy for drug company greed’ Martin Shkreli? This is the creep who attempted to raise the price of a drug thousands %.These young punk entrepreneurs coming out of business school or corporate internships think they're invincible and clever beyond other's understanding. Bernie proved this Shkreli punk slimebag wrong. The creep first disparages Bernie. Then later sends him a campaign donation of a thousand $$$ or more as a trap to catch Bernie in a hotspot. Bernie rejected the blood money and gave it to some charity.
This incident is but a brief glimpse into the corrupt twisted world of corporate america. This maggot was uncovered briefly amongst the sh!t pile of other skulking maggots.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 16 2015,4:11 am
(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,9:47 pm)
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Did anyone see the story on how Bernie Sanders rejects donation from ‘poster boy for drug company greed’ Martin Shkreli? This is the creep who attempted to raise the price of a drug thousands %.
These young punk entrepreneurs coming out of business school or corporate internships think they're invincible and clever beyond other's understanding. Bernie proved this Shkreli punk slimebag wrong. The creep first disparages Bernie. Then later sends him a campaign donation of a thousand $$$ or more as a trap to catch Bernie in a hotspot. Bernie rejected the blood money and gave it to some charity.
This incident is but a brief glimpse into the corrupt twisted world of corporate america. This maggot was uncovered briefly amongst the sh!t pile of other skulking maggots.
These young punk entrepreneurs coming out of business school or corporate internships think they're invincible and clever beyond other's understanding. Bernie proved this Shkreli punk slimebag wrong. The creep first disparages Bernie. Then later sends him a campaign donation of a thousand $$$ or more as a trap to catch Bernie in a hotspot. Bernie rejected the blood money and gave it to some charity.
This incident is but a brief glimpse into the corrupt twisted world of corporate america. This maggot was uncovered briefly amongst the sh!t pile of other skulking maggots.
Yes, this was a newsworthy blip for all of about two seconds. There were also others that criticized him too. Stroke lady and even Trump also had some words to say about this. Ah, the pandering
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 16 2015,7:45 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 16 2015,7:48 am
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Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 16 2015,8:55 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 16 2015,4:11 am)
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(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,9:47 pm)
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Did anyone see the story on how Bernie Sanders rejects donation from ‘poster boy for drug company greed’ Martin Shkreli? This is the creep who attempted to raise the price of a drug thousands %.
These young punk entrepreneurs coming out of business school or corporate internships think they're invincible and clever beyond other's understanding. Bernie proved this Shkreli punk slimebag wrong. The creep first disparages Bernie. Then later sends him a campaign donation of a thousand $$$ or more as a trap to catch Bernie in a hotspot. Bernie rejected the blood money and gave it to some charity.
This incident is but a brief glimpse into the corrupt twisted world of corporate america. This maggot was uncovered briefly amongst the sh!t pile of other skulking maggots.
These young punk entrepreneurs coming out of business school or corporate internships think they're invincible and clever beyond other's understanding. Bernie proved this Shkreli punk slimebag wrong. The creep first disparages Bernie. Then later sends him a campaign donation of a thousand $$$ or more as a trap to catch Bernie in a hotspot. Bernie rejected the blood money and gave it to some charity.
This incident is but a brief glimpse into the corrupt twisted world of corporate america. This maggot was uncovered briefly amongst the sh!t pile of other skulking maggots.
Yes, this was a newsworthy blip for all of about two seconds. There were also others that criticized him too. Stroke lady and even Trump also had some words to say about this. Ah, the pandering
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli >
How is it pandering to not want to take donation money from crooks?
So many of the politicians talk about the big bad bankers, and the rich taking from the poor. Yet they gladly accept donation money from those same people.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 16 2015,10:19 am
^* what large contributor or super pac has Trump taken from??
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 16 2015,5:41 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 16 2015,10:19 am)
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^* what large contributor or super pac has Trump taken from??
Trump is lucky enough to be able to use his own money. Probably why he can go after the big banks in his speeches.
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 16 2015,11:21 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 16 2015,4:11 am)
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Yes, this was a newsworthy blip for all of about two seconds.
Of course it was only a blip. Media decides for us what is important or not. As a result no one will think twice.
Their brainwashing works.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 17 2015,1:12 am
So normal folk are brainwashed by the media and we're just not smart enough to see it like you?
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 17 2015,2:59 am
I suspect on any given day there are a million different stories to report. Surfing american media the stories are extremely limited and nearly identical. Why?Is it a chicken & egg thing? is this linear reporting due to a genuine demand by the public for repetitive garbage? Or has the media convinced the public that only garbage stories exist?
Most elected officials is proof the public is lacking something. I am a part of that public.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 17 2015,6:38 am
(stardust14 @ Oct. 16 2015,11:21 pm)
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Of course it was only a blip. Media decides for us what is important or not. As a result no one will think twice.
Their brainwashing works.
Their brainwashing works.
Yes, there are quite a few blips that will never be seen on the lame stream media, like this one
< http://townhall.com/tipshee...2067013 >
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 17 2015,1:49 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 17 2015,6:38 am)
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(stardust14 @ Oct. 16 2015,11:21 pm)
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Of course it was only a blip. Media decides for us what is important or not. As a result no one will think twice.
Their brainwashing works.
Their brainwashing works.
Yes, there are quite a few blips that will never be seen on the lame stream media, like this one
< http://townhall.com/tipshee...2067013 >
Hiilary will allow banks to confiscate your homes, wages, and possibly children before she would dare begin confiscating weapons in this Wild West country.
I'm not into weapons possesion and dealing. Hillary's not a threat to me in that respect.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,6:40 am
(stardust14 @ Oct. 17 2015,1:49 pm)
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Hiilary will allow banks to confiscate your homes, wages, and possibly children before she would dare begin confiscating weapons in this Wild West country.
I'm not into weapons possesion and dealing. Hillary's not a threat to me in that respect.
I'm not into weapons possesion and dealing. Hillary's not a threat to me in that respect.
You sound as if you believe guns are out of control in this Wild West Country. I assure you the libs want to disarm America, assault weapons bans, high cap magazine bans, purposeed ammo taxes back ground checks on top of the instant check we have now (this is nothing more than taking advantage of a bad situation)and so forth. I get a kick out of the libs that want to make gun manufacturerus liable for deaths caused with their products.
Our problem is a media that sensationalized violence, should we rein that in? I don't think so. That's just trading one evil for another.
Here's some statistics to chew on,
< http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/ >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 18 2015,6:58 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,7:11 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 18 2015,7:20 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 18 2015,7:11 am)
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How about instead of just constantly calling him batshiit crazy, you explain why you think he's that way.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,7:56 am
Well, let's start with the fact he's a socialist and where he'd want to lead this country is a path to hell. I'm a firm believer that there is plenty of opportunity in the country and all one has to do is apply yourself. He thinks the system is stacked against the "little guy" maybe it is. But this is no reason to pull the plug and go down a path to being a disaster like Venezula.
There have been many charletons like him, Koresh, Moon, Jones etc. he just has the media following him because he is batsh!t crazy and it means ratings.
But if America wants to go socialist? Fine, myself and quite a for more would love to quit busting our asses and take life easy, maybe retire early and live off the labor of others.
I wonder if I can get bait with an EBT card?
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 18 2015,8:48 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 18 2015,7:56 am)
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Well, let's start with the fact he's a socialist and where he'd want to lead this country is a path to hell.
I'm a firm believer that there is plenty of opportunity in the country and all one has to do is apply yourself. He thinks the system is stacked against the "little guy" maybe it is. But this is no reason to pull the plug and go down a path to being a disaster like Venezula.
There have been many charletons like him, Koresh, Moon, Jones etc. he just has the media following him because he is batsh!t crazy and it means ratings.
But if America wants to go socialist? Fine, myself and quite a for more would love to quit busting our asses and take life easy, maybe retire early and live off the labor of others.
I wonder if I can get bait with an EBT card?
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
I'm a firm believer that there is plenty of opportunity in the country and all one has to do is apply yourself. He thinks the system is stacked against the "little guy" maybe it is. But this is no reason to pull the plug and go down a path to being a disaster like Venezula.
There have been many charletons like him, Koresh, Moon, Jones etc. he just has the media following him because he is batsh!t crazy and it means ratings.
But if America wants to go socialist? Fine, myself and quite a for more would love to quit busting our asses and take life easy, maybe retire early and live off the labor of others.
I wonder if I can get bait with an EBT card?
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
Comparing his beliefs to Venezuela, Koresh!, Moon!, Jones!! , sorry but
It's obvious you haven't watched a single video that Expat and others have put into this topic, or read a single link people have put into this forum.
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“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”
...
In 1981, when Sanders ran for mayor of Burlington as a far-left independent, he was tagged as a socialist by his enemies. Sanders embraced the term, said his longtime friend Stanley “Huck” Gutman, partly as a way of showing his dislike for the two mainstream parties.
“The Democratic Party has too often been complicit in not serving the people who vote for the Democratic Party. I think the Democratic Party pays too much attention to Wall Street,” said Gutman, a poetry professor at the University of Vermont who has also worked as Sanders’s chief of staff in Congress. “I know Bernie certainly thinks so.”
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
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In 1981, when Sanders ran for mayor of Burlington as a far-left independent, he was tagged as a socialist by his enemies. Sanders embraced the term, said his longtime friend Stanley “Huck” Gutman, partly as a way of showing his dislike for the two mainstream parties.
“The Democratic Party has too often been complicit in not serving the people who vote for the Democratic Party. I think the Democratic Party pays too much attention to Wall Street,” said Gutman, a poetry professor at the University of Vermont who has also worked as Sanders’s chief of staff in Congress. “I know Bernie certainly thinks so.”
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,9:31 am
^^yes, I have watched the videos along with the debate and I'll stand by Venezuela, Koresh, Moon and especially Jones Sanders is Buster on steroids. The only attractive thing about Bullsh!t is he actually believes what he spews and that ladies and gentleman is the reason he popular and the reason he has many sheeplike followers. After years of being lied to and promised the moon they've found their Shepard, no matter how nuts he is.I'm starting to feel better about this election all the time, if the dems run either of these incompetent idiots they're most likely going to lose. The republican side is scary too but at least some of them aren't nuts, and some are actually competent.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 18 2015,2:19 pm
^^You're wrong about Bernie, he's not talking about free handouts, he talking about a fair shake for the working class!Capitalism works on consumerism, if the bottom fifty percent
are so broke they qualify for Government safety nets something gone terribly wrong in our country!
Socialism and capitalism are merely catch phases, the working
folks in this country are being stiffed, these folks are working for wages I made back in the 1980s!
Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 18 2015,3:08 pm
(Expatriate @ Oct. 18 2015,2:19 pm)
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Capitalism works on consumerism, if the bottom fifty percent
are so broke they qualify for Government safety nets something gone terribly wrong in our country!
are so broke they qualify for Government safety nets something gone terribly wrong in our country!
Stop trying to confuse the ideologues with facts. If people are poor, they're not trying hard enough. They're too comfortable with handouts. The rich need those handouts, but the poor are lazy scum. I've got mine, you can get yours if you get off your lazy union thug butt. And so on.
There's a sandwich board sign for ya.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 18 2015,3:58 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 18 2015,9:31 am)
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^^yes, I have watched the videos along with the debate and I'll stand by Venezuela, Koresh, Moon and especially Jones Sanders is Buster on steroids. The only attractive thing about Bullsh!t is he actually believes what he spews and that ladies and gentleman is the reason he popular and the reason he has many sheeplike followers. After years of being lied to and promised the moon they've found their Shepard, no matter how nuts he is.
I'm starting to feel better about this election all the time, if the dems run either of these incompetent idiots they're most likely going to lose. The republican side is scary too but at least some of them aren't nuts, and some are actually competent.
Sanders is Buster on steroids. The only attractive thing about Bullsh!t is he actually believes what he spews and that ladies and gentleman is the reason he popular and the reason he has many sheeplike followers. After years of being lied to and promised the moon they've found their Shepard, no matter how nuts he is.I'm starting to feel better about this election all the time, if the dems run either of these incompetent idiots they're most likely going to lose. The republican side is scary too but at least some of them aren't nuts, and some are actually competent.
No, I don't think you have watched the videos or read the links.
Some of the things I know for sure you have a problem with "socialist" Sanders:
Raising the minimum wage:
Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.
Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s.
< http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm >
The peak value of the minimum wage in real terms was reached in 1968. To equal the purchasing
power of the minimum wage in 1968 ($10.69), the current minimum wage’s real value ($7.25)
would have to increase by $3.44 (or 47%). Although the nominal value of the minimum wage was
increased by $5.65 (from $1.60 to $7.25) between 1968 and 2009, these legislated adjustments
did not enable the minimum wage to keep pace with the increase in consumer prices, so the real
minimum wage fell.
< https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42973.pdf >
Taking from the job creators to give to the lowly workers:
CORPORATE profits are at their highest level in at least 85 years. Employee compensation is at the lowest level in 65 years.
Including the cost of employer-paid benefits, like health insurance and pensions, as well as the employer’s share of Social Security and Medicare contributions, the total cost of compensation was $8.9 trillion, or 52.7 percent of G.D.P., down from 53 percent in 2012 and the lowest level since 1948.
< http://www.nytimes.com/2014...de.html >
SB says, "Don't like your wages, go to college". "Better yourself". Yet you don't take into account the outrageous cost of a higher education today compared to when you went to college.
Botto, you are really good at impersonations lol.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,6:23 pm
Why not just have Buster issue an executive order? Thing is, $15 per hr seems a bit steep for flippin' burgers or running around in a store with a blue smock. So what are we looking at, 100+% increase? Then you'll be paying more for gas (can't forget the gas station attendant, you can go ahead on pump 4) It comes down to simple math.If this were to come about I can see a large increase on what I charge my customers also what these customers charge for their product or services. Everything will cost more and the rich will barely feel the increase where Mr Burgerfipper will be pinched just as before.
And for the record I have watched most of the vids put up on Bullsh!t and I do find that they range from childish to disturbing.
Posted by grassman on Oct. 18 2015,10:22 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 18 2015,6:23 pm)
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Why not just have Buster issue an executive order? Thing is, $15 per hr seems a bit steep for flippin' burgers or running around in a store with a blue smock. So what are we looking at, 100+% increase? Then you'll be paying more for gas (can't forget the gas station attendant, you can go ahead on pump 4) It comes down to simple math.
If this were to come about I can see a large increase on what I charge my customers also what these customers charge for their product or services. Everything will cost more and the rich will barely feel the increase where Mr Burgerfipper will be pinched just as before.
And for the record I have watched most of the vids put up on Bullsh!t and I do find that they range from childish to disturbing.
If this were to come about I can see a large increase on what I charge my customers also what these customers charge for their product or services. Everything will cost more and the rich will barely feel the increase where Mr Burgerfipper will be pinched just as before.
And for the record I have watched most of the vids put up on Bullsh!t and I do find that they range from childish to disturbing.
So, as long as you are comfy, it's all good. Got it!
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,5:13 am
^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 19 2015,5:28 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,8:15 am
^^saw it, dumb as hell, moving on.
Posted by grassman on Oct. 19 2015,9:47 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 19 2015,5:13 am)
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^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
I understand costs to business. The problem here lies in the upper tiers of business. Gas at the pump is $2.31 a gallon. Wholesale market price is $1.31 a gallon. Where did that dollar per gallon go?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 19 2015,10:05 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 19 2015,5:13 am)
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^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So to clarify. You have no issues about the fact that minimum wage hasn't kept up with the cost of living, or that despite record profits, employee wages and compensation are sliding.
But by the way you talk, it sounds like it offends you, if anything is to be done to catch things up.
And anyone who wants to catch things up and help the poorer less fortunate, are batshiit crazy.
That sum it up?
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2015,10:42 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 18 2015,7:56 am)
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I wonder if I can get bait with an EBT card?
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< Welfare Recipients going Fishing Instead of Job Hunting? >
I recently saw a sign posted in the window of a convenience store: “We have worms and live bait—EBT Cards accepted.” Something about that sign struck me as odd, but it took a minute for the full meaning of what I had read to sink in. EBT cards are the welfare recipient’s version of a debit card. EBT cards replaced the old paper food stamps, the use of which apparently embarrassed welfare recipients. A whole column could be written about that phenomenon—people being too proud to be seen using food stamps but not too proud to accept welfare—but that is grist for another mill on another day.
My first thought was that worms and live bait are not food. How, then, is a welfare recipient allowed to purchase fishing bait using an EBT card? I thought EBT cards were to be used only for selected and approved food items. My second thought was, if welfare recipients have time to go fishing, they have time to go job hunting. I am not sure I like the idea of a welfare recipient idly fishing instead of making a concerted effort to get off of welfare. My view on welfare is that people on it should be trying to get off of it. Anything we do for an extended period of time tends to become a way of life. That is human nature, and it is why people in America who get on welfare tend to stay on it. It is also why welfare as a way of life is passed down from generation to generation. The biggest challenge faced by welfare reformers is finding ways to break the cycle of dependence.
Really though, I don't think you can actually buy bait. Well, maybe shrimp with an EBT card. Just enough to boil your oil though. In some states, an EBT card will pass you for not having to buy a fishing license. See your < Social Services > (welfare department)
I recently saw a sign posted in the window of a convenience store: “We have worms and live bait—EBT Cards accepted.” Something about that sign struck me as odd, but it took a minute for the full meaning of what I had read to sink in. EBT cards are the welfare recipient’s version of a debit card. EBT cards replaced the old paper food stamps, the use of which apparently embarrassed welfare recipients. A whole column could be written about that phenomenon—people being too proud to be seen using food stamps but not too proud to accept welfare—but that is grist for another mill on another day.
My first thought was that worms and live bait are not food. How, then, is a welfare recipient allowed to purchase fishing bait using an EBT card? I thought EBT cards were to be used only for selected and approved food items. My second thought was, if welfare recipients have time to go fishing, they have time to go job hunting. I am not sure I like the idea of a welfare recipient idly fishing instead of making a concerted effort to get off of welfare. My view on welfare is that people on it should be trying to get off of it. Anything we do for an extended period of time tends to become a way of life. That is human nature, and it is why people in America who get on welfare tend to stay on it. It is also why welfare as a way of life is passed down from generation to generation. The biggest challenge faced by welfare reformers is finding ways to break the cycle of dependence.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,12:47 pm
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^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So to clarify. You have no issues about the fact that minimum wage hasn't kept up with the cost of living, or that despite record profits, employee wages and compensation are sliding.
But by the way you talk, it sounds like it offends you, if anything is to be done to catch things up.
And anyone who wants to catch things up and help the poorer less fortunate, are batshiit crazy.
That sum it up?
It should be crystal clear, I believe in a market driven economy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,1:01 pm
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^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
I understand costs to business. The problem here lies in the upper tiers of business. Gas at the pump is $2.31 a gallon. Wholesale market price is $1.31 a gallon. Where did that dollar per gallon go?
Does this help?
< http://www.revenue.state.mn.us/busines...es.aspx >
Or this
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States >
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2015,2:10 pm
On a side question. If unleaded and 10% ethanol are taxed at the same rate, why does regular unleaded cost the consumer 30-40 cents a gallon more?Diesel?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,3:31 pm
Diesel, market demandsEthnol, subsidized.
Also quite a difference with non-Ox being more expensive.
Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 19 2015,5:29 pm
It doesn't matter what economic system is in place. Huge profits and personal wealth accumulated from paying low wages is legalized theft, and must change. Also much wealth is generated from cornering energy/natural resource markets. Those investments are not being shared fairly, since natural resources should be shared by all. The globe has become one big company town where workers are paid little in order to buy the high priced resources they extract. The wealthy are sprinkling just enough cash around to keep the public from rising up. As this thread suggests, some people are content with this clever 'market" plan, some are not.
As Rosalind suggested a change will happen when a large number of folks of all stripes have had enough. The sooner the better.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,5:48 pm
Around the rail yards we have a saying, let put this to most gently and it is very true that it gets used.Phuck fair.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 19 2015,7:16 pm
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Phuck fair.
I bet you're Jesus' favorite.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,7:20 pm
^^Yes I am
Posted by grassman on Oct. 19 2015,10:04 pm
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(grassman @ Oct. 19 2015,9:47 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 19 2015,5:13 am)
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^^ I sense a bit of sarcasim there
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
So if you own a business and your labor costs increase you're not going to adjust your charges?
I understand costs to business. The problem here lies in the upper tiers of business. Gas at the pump is $2.31 a gallon. Wholesale market price is $1.31 a gallon. Where did that dollar per gallon go?
Does this help?
< http://www.revenue.state.mn.us/busines...es.aspx >
Or this
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States >
Smoke and mirrors. You know as well as I do that this crap is all tax deductible to legit businesses. That means the little people are once again footing the bill. Tax breaks, tax breaks, tax breaks.
On the profit side, you have a Rise of $1.00 per gallon. Out of that $1.00, $.47 is paid to govt. sales tax. That leaves $.53 per gallon, profit. That comes to 40% profit. Can't fight facts. We are being screwed.
I change the oil myself in all of my vehicles and equiptment, have not seen much reflection of low oil prices in the price I pay per quart.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 20 2015,4:36 am
I hear you when it comes to engine oil, 30+ years ago I paid about $4 for a gallon of oil at the truck stop now I see it going for $12.50 at mills. But it seems it doesn't matter much with the fluctuations in crude prices.Prices have been coming down though, two years ago I was paying over $4 gal for fuel,last year it was over three, filled up yesterday at $2.47. There's also the fact that transportation costs have risen quite a it.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 20 2015,5:22 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 20 2015,6:19 am
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRxbQlpqmo >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 20 2015,7:53 am
A true nut job< http://www.truthrevolt.org/comment...st-odor >
Posted by grassman on Oct. 20 2015,8:03 am
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But it seems it doesn't matter much with the fluctuations in crude prices.
Prices have been coming down though, two years ago I was paying over $4 gal for fuel,last year it was over three, filled up yesterday at $2.47. There's also the fact that transportation costs have risen quite a it.
Prices have been coming down though, two years ago I was paying over $4 gal for fuel,last year it was over three, filled up yesterday at $2.47. There's also the fact that transportation costs have risen quite a it.
You are, transportation costs. You just said you pay a lot less for fuel today than last year. Costs for transportation should go down. Those pesky surcharges should disappear as well.
By the way, gas is at $1.25 this morning.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 20 2015,9:56 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 20 2015,7:53 am)
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A true nut job
< http://www.truthrevolt.org/comment...st-odor >
< http://www.truthrevolt.org/comment...st-odor >
Here's the interview Harwood/Sanders without the propagandist Blogger bullsh!t
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,10:03 am
Michelle Malkin?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 20 2015,10:14 am
(grassman @ Oct. 20 2015,8:03 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 20 2015,4:36 am)
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But it seems it doesn't matter much with the fluctuations in crude prices.
Prices have been coming down though, two years ago I was paying over $4 gal for fuel,last year it was over three, filled up yesterday at $2.47. There's also the fact that transportation costs have risen quite a it.
Prices have been coming down though, two years ago I was paying over $4 gal for fuel,last year it was over three, filled up yesterday at $2.47. There's also the fact that transportation costs have risen quite a it.
You are, transportation costs. You just said you pay a lot less for fuel today than last year. Costs for transportation should go down. Those pesky surcharges should disappear as well.
By the way, gas is at $1.25 this morning.Surcharges are usually adjusted weekly. The real expense of transportation is the nut behind the wheel, hiring drivers is tough. Big companies are paying up to 10K as hiring bonuses just for a driver. Salaries for a driver are running upwards of 80K plus, with Benny's.
With a national driver shortage of 250K drivers(and it's most likely worse) it's most likely going to get even more to ship.
1.25 wholesale gas? Add about 70to80 cents per gal for tax then more for transportation and maybe a little profit for the station selling it.
Posted by grassman on Oct. 20 2015,10:41 am
Hold on a minute now. The site you posted says that the combined state and federal tax in MN. is $.47 a gallon.
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,10:50 am
Do you work for free? Why shouldn't the people that transport, store, or sell gas make a profit?
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 20 2015,12:37 pm
Most convenience store don't make squat on gas, they want you to come inside and spend money.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 20 2015,3:27 pm
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Hold on a minute now. The site you posted says that the combined state and federal tax in MN. is $.47 a gallon.
Perhaps this will help
< http://www.api.org/oil-and...ine-tax >
Posted by grassman on Oct. 20 2015,9:30 pm
So you agree, it is only tax of $.47 per gallon. How many gallons does a rig hold, hauling it? How many gallons are pumped daily into the gas tanks of the public every day? It is quick money my friend. Read that post I had put on before from Oil-price.net.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2015,4:03 am
Ok, $.47 then,So we have,
$1.25 wholesale
$.47 state and fed tax
$2.12 is what I paid yesterday to fill my SUV $.40 left to haul it, store it, maintenance etc. after that? Seems pretty thin.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 23 2015,5:57 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 24 2015,6:13 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 24 2015,6:18 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 24 2015,10:19 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 27 2015,11:53 am
Wow, he's getting his ass kicked by a lying stroke victim. < http://thehill.com/blogs...in-iowa >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 28 2015,5:59 am
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 27 2015,11:53 am)
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Wow, he's getting his ass kicked by a lying stroke victim.
< http://thehill.com/blogs...in-iowa >
< http://thehill.com/blogs...in-iowa >
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=1 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2015,6:11 am
^^squirt me some tears, "it's not fair" (sniff)
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2015,5:13 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2015,5:24 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2015,9:09 am
^^ and you wonder why I think this guy's a total nutjob.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2015,5:15 am
^^^ Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2015,6:52 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2015,8:14 am
I'm beginning to warmup to this possibility
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2015,12:35 pm
So by posting the Reagan vid you're saying you're a fan of him.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2015,5:24 pm
(Self-Banished @ Oct. 31 2015,12:35 pm)
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So by posting the Reagan vid you're saying you're a fan of him.
Trick or treat you say, well here's your treat, enjoy
^^Stop it, you're making me misty.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 01 2015,6:54 am
Bernie Sanders Issues:Strengthen and Expand Social Security
Social Security is the most successful government program in our nation’s history. Before it was signed into law, nearly half of senior citizens lived in poverty. Today, the elderly poverty rate is 10 percent. Although still much too high, that’s a dramatic improvement.
Through good times and bad, Social Security has paid every nickel owed to every eligible American – on time and without delay. As corporations destroyed the retirement dreams of millions over the past 30 years by eliminating defined benefit pension plans, Social Security was right there paying full benefits. As millions of Americans lost their life savings after Wall Street’s recklessness crashed the economy in 2008, Social Security was right there paying full benefits.
Today, Social Security is more important than ever. Over half of workers between the ages of 55-64 have no retirement savings. More than a third of senior citizens depend on Social Security for virtually all of their income. One out of every five senior citizens is trying to scrape by on an average income of just $8,300 a year.
Given these facts, our job cannot be to cut Social Security. Our job must be to expand it so that every American can retire with dignity and respect.
Virtually every Republican candidate for president disagrees. Many of them claim Social Security is “going broke,” that it’s causing the deficit to explode, and its trust fund is full of IOUs.
They want the American people to believe Social Security is in crisis and must be cut.
They are dead wrong.
Here are the facts:
-Social Security has a $2.8 trillion surplus. It can pay every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 19 years (and more than three-quarters after that).
-Social Security’s assets aren’t “just paper,” as conservatives sometimes put it. Social Security invests in U.S Treasury bonds, the safest interest-bearing securities in the world. These are the same bonds wealthy investors have purchased, along with China and other foreign countries. These bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, which in our long history has never defaulted on its debt obligations.
-Right now a billionaire pays the same amount of money into Social Security as someone who makes $118,500 a year. That’s because there is a cap on taxable income that goes into the Social Security system.
Sen. Sanders has introduced legislation to end this absurdity, by lifting this cap so that everyone who makes over $250,000 a year pays the same percentage of their income into Social Security as the middle class and working families.
This would not only extend the solvency of Social Security for the next 50 years, but also bring in enough revenue to expand benefits by an average of $65 a month; increase cost-of-living-adjustments; and lift more seniors out of poverty by increasing the minimum benefits paid to low-income seniors.
Not only is this the right thing to do from a moral perspective, it is also what the vast majority of the American people want us to do. 61 percent of the American people support expanding Social Security benefits by lifting the cap on taxable income, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll earlier this year.
At a time when millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages, even as virtually all of the new income in this country is going to the top one percent, Sen. Sanders’ legislation will begin to reduce the obscene level of income inequality in America.
It’s time to expand Social Security to make sure that everyone in this country can retire with the dignity and respect they deserve.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2015,2:25 pm
The budget deal made a change that's good for Medicaid — and bad for Martin ShkreliMonday, November 2, 2015
You may hate Martin Shkreli, the greedy drug company executive who hiked the price of Daraprim more than 5,000 percent last month. But you should love how Shkreli sparked a national debate over price-gouging that's finally led to legislative action.
Under this week's budget deal, which has passed Congress and President Obama is expected to sign Monday, a Medicaid drug rebate requirement would be expanded to generic drugs. What this means: Companies that produce generic drugs must pay back the government if the price of their drugs grows faster than inflation.
It's good for the government — the Congressional Budget Office estimates the change would save Medicaid about $1 billion over ten years. And even if a Medicaid drug rebate doesn't directly benefit most patients, it "could still serve as a valuable tool for state budgets and taxpayers, particularly as Medicaid covers more and more people with the Affordable Care Act's Medicaid expansion and as more states choose to expand Medicaid," the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget wrote.
Democratic lawmakers had been trying to make this exact change for years, but before Shkreli's antics, they didn't have any momentum to do it. In May, Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Elijah Cummings re-introduced legislation to expand Medicaid's drug rebate. It went nowhere until now.
~Sen. Bernie Sanders - Independant Democratic Socialist
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2015,2:33 pm
^^ yeah, that'll increase R&D and encourage companies to develop new drugs
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2015,2:42 pm
these are generics Dumbo, old drugs long past their patent..wake up and pay attention or you'll have to stay after school!
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 02 2015,3:32 pm
How can a Vietnam vet support a draft dodger? Its one thing to really be a conscientious objector like Muhammad Ali, but a guy that is a conscientious objector only until he's to old to be drafted is a scumbag, that is no better than Ted Nugent.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2015,5:08 pm
I went into a big spiel about my military service, how the Draft worked, conscientious objectors and I was promptly trolled by SB, I deleted the whole post in anger! I'm not a Clintonista, not that I think she's evil, if she gets the nod she'll get my vote. I see Sanders as a change, a direction we need to move. He's not politics as usual...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2015,5:16 pm
Un huh,
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2015,5:21 pm
^^Sanders I can understand, it's 4F wannabees like you and Nugent that are all about getting US into the shyt but you won't go!!
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 02 2015,6:55 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 02 2015,5:08 pm)
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if she gets the nod she'll get my vote.
Bye. Sanders and Clinton are in entirely different camps. They are not remotely interchangeable.
Posted by stardust14 on Nov. 02 2015,10:19 pm
Socialism doesn't mean taking wealth from those who work hard and giving it to those who don't. You're thinking of capitalism.Our current capitalist-driven inequalities will only be rectified when people realize that a strong community makes successful individuals, not the other way around.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2015,6:59 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 02 2015,5:21 pm)
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^^Sanders I can understand, it's 4F wannabees like you and Nugent that are all about getting US into the shyt but you won't go!!
4F? The draft was over by the time I came of age
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2015,7:06 am
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 02 2015,6:55 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Nov. 02 2015,5:08 pm)
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if she gets the nod she'll get my vote.
Bye. Sanders and Clinton are in entirely different camps. They are not remotely interchangeable.
There's some truth to that statement, I'm still backing Bernie, but when you compare the Democrat Platform to what the Republicans are trying push on US, there's no comparison!
I'd prefer a Sanders/Warren ticket, I'll except a Clinton/? ticket.
Liberal makes some valid points about the acceptance of Sanders by the American public, terms like Socialist, Conscientious Objector will be difficult, but not impossible to overcome.
I've been quoting Sanders on this forum for years, his positions are well documented, he's been proven right in his stance time and time again. He's now mainstream, he's surfaced, even if he's not President he'll be influential on the next Democrat President.
It's been the Labor Movement and the Democrats that moved US into a prosperous Nation, new deal legislation created the Middle Class, Many in the Union Movement gave their lives for what we take as the norm in the workplace. All you young folks have to do is vote. Not voting for Clinton is the same as voting Republican.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2015,8:08 am
Small business built America< http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-a...-8?op=1 >
Union members died? What'd they do, slip while leaning on the shovel?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 03 2015,11:51 am
Expat:QUOTE
I see Sanders as a change, a direction we need to move. He's not politics as usual...
Very true.
Botto:
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Sanders and Clinton are in entirely different camps. They are not remotely interchangeable.
Very true.
Stardust:
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Our current capitalist-driven inequalities will only be rectified when people realize that a strong community makes successful individuals, not the other way around.
Well said.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 03 2015,1:49 pm
(stardust14 @ Nov. 02 2015,10:19 pm)
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Socialism doesn't mean taking wealth from those who work hard and giving it to those who don't. You're thinking of capitalism.
Our current capitalist-driven inequalities will only be rectified when people realize that a strong community makes successful individuals, not the other way around.
Our current capitalist-driven inequalities will only be rectified when people realize that a strong community makes successful individuals, not the other way around.
Are you daft?
Full Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Full Definition of CAPITALISM
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Socialism is pure crap, cannot work and ensures everyone is equally miserable. Socialism DOES take and distributes.
More innovations and technological advancements have come about in capitalist societies than socialist or communist. Capitalism drives innovation, the other two stagnate.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2015,2:52 pm
^^ oh oh, you're going for the parrot award
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2015,3:57 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 03 2015,8:08 am)
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Small business built America
< http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-a...-8?op=1 >
Union members died? What'd they do, slip while leaning on the shovel?
< http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-a...-8?op=1 >
Union members died? What'd they do, slip while leaning on the shovel?
Small Business is good, but generally for the owner, nothing wrong with that.
But what we're talking about here is what drives the economy, a concept so simple it's just plumb evaded you, cash paying customers! Where is any business without customers or should I say how long does business survive without customers?
When a political party member be he President, Governor, or Congressman is allowed to legislate away long fought for workers rights with the stroke of a pen it's time to use our vote and fire the SOBs.. Yes I'm talking the Republican Party, they should all go the way of the Dinosaur..
Your last President (shrub) implemented changes to the labor laws that took away overtime pay for millions of Americans. President Obama has reversed that Republican attack on workers rights.
We have a number of Republican Governors pushing legislation to do away with collective bargaining and bring into play Right To Work Laws this right to work has nothing to do with getting a job and everything to do with union busting and lowering wages eliminating benefits and pensions!
You have a Republican congress that's attempting to defund the National Labor Relations Board , OSHA, deregulate every labor law put in place since the 1930's!
My question is this, when you Republitards get rid of all those pesky rules and over burdensome regulations, when you can lower the American worker's wage to that of Chinese or Vietnamese slave laborer who's left with the income to purchase that small businessman's or corporation's product?
It's far past time for our rightwing forum friends to admit we have have a problem, and that NO ONE on the Republican ticket seems to think it's a problem!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2015,5:09 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 03 2015,3:57 pm)
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It's far past time for our rightwing forum friends to admit we have have problem, and that NO ONE on the Republican ticket seems to think is a problem!
Yes there most certainly is a problem,
We've had this problem the last 7 years
< http://www.manzellareport.com/index.p...sperity >
Posted by stardust14 on Nov. 03 2015,10:31 pm
Starve the trolls. Their cupboard is bare in the "intelligence" and "decency" section. Let them feed on their feces ad hominem attacks...like pigs.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,4:21 am
^^ this is true.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,6:05 am
^^This is true: Republicans In Senate Vote To Nullify the Clean Water Act .Now why would your boys want to US to drink polluted water?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 04 2015,6:27 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 04 2015,6:05 am)
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^^This is true: Republicans In Senate Vote To Nullify the Clean Water Act .
Now why would your boys want to US to drink polluted water?
Now why would your boys want to US to drink polluted water?
Jesus Christ.
Do you even look into the issue at hand? What the issue is, is an epa expansion of the 1972 Clean water act, an over reaching expansion of epa powers, that would even include PRIVATE water supply, such as ponds, lakes, etc. Things that are oh, I don't know, off limits due to the fact that it is PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,6:45 am
So fishable and swimmable waters should be excluded from the Clean Water Act in your opinion. It's totally okay to create a love canal if it's on your property!This wasn't an extension of the law but a vote to weaken a 43 year old existing law!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 04 2015,6:59 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 04 2015,6:45 am)
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So fishable and swimmable waters should be excluded from the Clean Water Act in your opinion. It's totally okay to create a love canal as long it's on your property!
This wasn't an extension of the law but a vote to weaken the existing law!
This wasn't an extension of the law but a vote to weaken the existing law!
No it isn't. Private water supplies were not in the original act.
The proposed changes the epa wants for christmas, infringes upon individual property rights, something the Founding Fathers were pretty adamant about you know, individual Rights, etc.
Edit. And after these idiots just released tons of toxins into a Colorado river? Nice agency the taxpayers have there.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,7:19 am
Most Americans care about clean water, they care about clean air, and clean soil. And when it comes to water, Americans really care about what they're drinking.If for some reason you think wetlands and steams don't contribute to that drinking water you're mistaken.
This is clean water for drinking, survival, not a place to take partisan and ideological positions about property rights, water migrates!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,7:56 am
Love canal?Oh the tension of being a kinder and gentler SB.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 04 2015,9:12 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 04 2015,6:45 am)
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It's totally okay to create a love canal if it's on your property!
Love canal?
Somebody sneak in and paint your bedroom while you were sleeping?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,9:47 am
< http://www2.epa.gov/aboutepa/love-canal-tragedy >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 04 2015,9:48 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 04 2015,7:19 am)
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Most Americans care about clean water, they care about clean air, and clean soil. And when it comes to water, Americans really care about what they're drinking.
If for some reason you think wetlands and steams don't contribute to that drinking water you're mistaken.
This is clean water for drinking, survival, not a place to take partisan and ideological positions about property rights, water migrates!
If for some reason you think wetlands and steams don't contribute to that drinking water you're mistaken.
This is clean water for drinking, survival, not a place to take partisan and ideological positions about property rights, water migrates!
Actually it's a bit more complicated than that. Due to a couple of Supreme Court decisions (SWANCC and Rapanos) there needs to be better clarification for the Clean Water Act, and EPA and Army Corps. of Engineers jurisdiction. As far as I can tell, the whole controversy going on right now over the EPA and it's jurisdiction leads back to those two court decisions.
I'm not a huge fan of the EPA, it's just as corrupted as the rest of our supposed government watchdogs. Revolving door of employees with some of the very people they are supposed to protect us from and pretty much inefficient.
Private property can greatly effect outlying areas which are not private property. Most Superfund sites are/were private property.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,12:21 pm
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Actually it's a bit more complicated than that.
My original post was about yesterdays vote in the Senate when Republicans tried to gut the Clean Water Act..
Sanders Statement on Clean Water Act
Tuesday, November 3, 2015
WASHINGTON, Nov. 3 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement today after voting to stop a bill that guts the Clean Water Act.
“I find it unconscionable that my Republican colleagues are attempting to undermine efforts to keep our water clean. One in three people – 117 million Americans – depend on drinking water from sources protected by the Clean Water Rule. Clean water protections are essential to safeguarding our nation’s public health and our economic prosperity.”
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,12:34 pm
^^Oh I'm sure that nutjob Bullsh!t thinks a lot of things are unconscionable.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,12:45 pm
Richard Nixon signed the Clean Water Act, the dirty Socialist..isn't it time for you to report to one of those death panels you tards said existed?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 04 2015,12:52 pm
OOPS, I'm sorry Expat!!! I didn't mean to quote you and answer, I meant it for Grinning Dragon's comment:QUOTE
No it isn't. Private water supplies were not in the original act.
The proposed changes the epa wants for christmas, infringes upon individual property rights, something the Founding Fathers were pretty adamant about you know, individual Rights, etc.
Edit. And after these idiots just released tons of toxins into a Colorado river? Nice agency the taxpayers have there.
The proposed changes the epa wants for christmas, infringes upon individual property rights, something the Founding Fathers were pretty adamant about you know, individual Rights, etc.
Edit. And after these idiots just released tons of toxins into a Colorado river? Nice agency the taxpayers have there.
I'm so sorry Expat!! That's what happens when I'm trying to mutitask. I am not very good at multi-tasking. Sorry!!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 04 2015,12:53 pm
SB, do you think tobacco is unhealthy?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,3:12 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Nov. 04 2015,12:53 pm)
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SB, do you think tobacco is unhealthy?
Everything is unhealthy according to the gov.
Is alcohol unhealthy? Is red meat unhealthy? Is Expat's love canal unhealthy? Is BASE jumping unhealthy? Of course smoking is unhealthy but do we really want the gov. regulating, being the nanny state? We have tons of gov. regulations, laws, decrees, whatever all because our legislators think we should be saved from ourselves. What it really is is buying votes with sympathy or free sh!t.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 04 2015,3:16 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 04 2015,3:12 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Nov. 04 2015,12:53 pm)
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SB, do you think tobacco is unhealthy?
Everything is unhealthy according to the gov.
Is alcohol unhealthy? Is red meat unhealthy? Is Expat's love canal unhealthy? Is BASE jumping unhealthy? Of course smoking is unhealthy but do we really want the gov. regulating, being the nanny state? We have tons of gov. regulations, laws, decrees, whatever all because our legislators think we should be saved from ourselves. What it really is is buying votes with sympathy or free sh!t.
You jump instantly to regulations and nanny state. The point I intended to make was the incredible lies and cover-ups by the tobacco industry. The influence they had/have over government agencies and the media.
You think tobacco was/is the only one doing it? You think everything is legit now?
EDIT: I forgot to mention "scientific" research and studies.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2015,3:41 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2015,5:18 pm
^^ there's no such thing as gov. in the public interest anymore, and that especially goes for socialistic democrats.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 04 2015,6:28 pm
There will always be clean water, but eventually it will be controlled by the private sector, and doled out at top dollar. These a-holes aren't content to have all that free drinking water out there. Mark my words, that's where we're headed.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2015,5:42 am
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 04 2015,6:28 pm)
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There will always be clean water, but eventually it will be controlled by the private sector, and doled out at top dollar. These a-holes aren't content to have all that free drinking water out there. Mark my words, that's where we're headed.
< http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-new...5383274 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2015,6:18 am
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2015,6:31 am
If Adolf Hitler was running as the Republican Party Presidential candidate, and he told you up front he had a final solution, even with your Jewish blood you'd vote for him!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2015,6:34 am
^^
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 05 2015,10:45 am
Easy, SB. It may not be a good day for Expat.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2015,11:03 am
^^Looks like his love canal might be a bit raw. Perhaps we could pitch in, buy him a case.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2015,12:20 pm
^^^ dumb and dumber are at it again troll troll troll all you want, it's all you got...< http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/opinion/voodoo-never-dies.html?_r=0 >
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 05 2015,1:21 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 04 2015,3:12 pm)
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Everything is unhealthy according to the gov.
Alcohol and tobacco have a government warning, and a couple of the cleaning products I use have that California cancer risk warning. Other than that just a list of what's in it, that doesn't seem too extreme.
I think the only thing I need an ID to buy is a gun or Sudafed. So hardly as extreme as you make it sound.
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Of course smoking is unhealthy but do we really want the gov. regulating, being the nanny state?
You don't think we should regulate smoking? Should five year old kids be able to go grab a pack of Marlboro Reds?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2015,2:05 pm
^^ should 5 year olds be able to buy fine scotch? No, there are reasonable limitations.Where the hell have you been? Sniffing cleaning supplies? Be careful of Expat, appearently there was an "incident" and it's going to take a long, long time to heal.
But myself and the 'dog are being as helpful as we can.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2015,4:17 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 05 2015,12:20 pm)
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^^^ dumb and dumber are at it again troll troll troll all you want, it's all you got...
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/opinion/voodoo-never-dies.html?_r=0 >
troll troll troll all you want, it's all you got...< http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/opinion/voodoo-never-dies.html?_r=0 >
Nobel winner? They give away Nobels for wiping the right way, look at Buster, he didn't do a damned thing and they gave him one.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 05 2015,5:03 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 05 2015,2:05 pm)
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^^ should 5 year olds be able to buy fine scotch? No, there are reasonable limitations.
I'm okay with them buying cheap scotch, though.
I predate RoHS. We had lead based solder in shop class. I blame that.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2015,5:41 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 05 2015,4:17 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Nov. 05 2015,12:20 pm)
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^^^ dumb and dumber are at it again troll troll troll all you want, it's all you got...
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/opinion/voodoo-never-dies.html?_r=0 >
troll troll troll all you want, it's all you got...< http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/02/opinion/voodoo-never-dies.html?_r=0 >
Nobel winner? They give away Nobels for wiping the right way, look at Buster, he didn't do a damned thing and they gave him one.
If you weren't so mathematically challenged you'd be able to look at these tax plans and say that's going to kill the economy and add to the National Debt, are these guys nuts or are they catering to the 1%ers...
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2015,6:09 pm
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 05 2015,9:18 pm
Great piece, but I want substance, veins in my teeth, Wall Street types looking afraid. We will take this economy back, or we'll disappear into obscurity trying. Who's with me..?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2015,4:25 am
Fortunately it's looking more like stroke lady's kicking Bullsh!ts ass and she's damaged goods to start with.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2015,5:46 am
^^Fox knows the Republicans are clueless and they'll crash the economy...Even Fox News Can't Ignore That GOP Tax Plans Would Add Trillions Of Dollars To The National Debt
< http://mediamatters.org/video...5 >
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Great piece, but I want substance, veins in my teeth, Wall Street types looking afraid. We will take this economy back, or we'll disappear into obscurity trying. Who's with me..?
Grrrrr... we can WIN, all of US...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2015,9:06 am
^^ yes, we most certainly can
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2015,12:47 pm
^^^Carson, have you paid attention to his mannerisms his speech patterns, this guy seems a little light in the loafers.He hasn't released a detailed tax plan, just some jargon about tithing or a 10% flat tax rate, hey that would be tax cut for everybody making above 30 grand a year, what's wrong with that you'd think, well you don't generate enough revenue to pay the interest on the National Debt.
His plan gives one of the biggest tax breaks to the wealthiest.
If we've learned anything from George W. and his ilk it's that Tax Cuts must be accompanied by spending cuts. This type of supply-sider blue sky economy is why we're in-debt up to our collective hooha.
What is Carson thinking, he's using that old car salesman tactic, selling a line of bull and you think you're getting a good deal until you find out how much this clunker is really going to cost US..
Or, maybe it's because he's a vegetarian and his brain isn't getting enough B12 and he's went senile, he sure seems stupid for some reason..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2015,12:57 pm
^^ well it looks like Carson lied about some things, West Point, damn, that disappointed me when I heard it. Now I'm just waiting to hear how many people died as a result of this lie.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 06 2015,7:04 pm
Democratic Candidates Forum on MSNBC starting right now if anyone is interested. Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley are on it.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 06 2015,7:14 pm
For watching online:< http://www.msnbc.com/shift...8531682 >
Posted by stardust14 on Nov. 06 2015,9:07 pm
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 05 2015,9:18 pm)
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Great piece, but I want substance, veins in my teeth, Wall Street types looking afraid. We will take this economy back, or we'll disappear into obscurity trying. Who's with me..?
Will locals take back what was stolen by Wallstreet? If they have investments & retirement plans they already are. These folks are in on the game. What incentive do they have to end their own game? Very little. These folks become active only when superficial benefits are bestowed upon themselves.
On the other hand disgruntled locals fear even putting lawn signs in their yard or holding protest signs. Can we expect them to help implode a corrupt economy? Like I said things must get much worse, the turning of this country into a banana republic, before locals will wake from beneath their seedcorn caps and plastic Slavemart clothing. By then most their wealth will have been exported to Dubai, the Caymans, or Beijing. It's well on its way.
Fighting a corrupt economy means non-participation when possible. Anarchists know this. Establishing local forms of consumption, establishing networks of communities, disinvestment in the status quo. It's happening. But it's David vs Goliath. More misery is needed to grow David's strength. History shows it. Iceland was able to punish bankers. Someday we will also.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2015,5:22 am
Sorry about all the MSNBC interruptions, but it's their forum. Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2015,5:28 am
Raechel Madcow At least you're in a good mood this morning, cracking jokes.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2015,7:08 am
I'm still laughing about yesterdays joke when you posted Carson's picture and became worried about his fictional memoir, listening to this guy talk I'm sure he could have future writing for the Onion.I've underestimated you SB, never thought you were open minded enough to vote for a gay. Notice how Carson carries his arms how he gestures, voice tone, almost that gay lisp, this guy is light in the loafers.
The big problem with Carson, he has no viable plan, he's a proponent of that same fail Republican Platform, cut taxes and this fabulous (Blue Sky) economy will appear and solve all our economic and financial woes!
Realty is we have a large and looming National Debt, most of this debt is a direct result of this Republican pushed Blue Sky Tax Cut, War Based Economic Policy. More tax cuts and austerity measures now could make this whole thing we call America come unglued!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2015,7:54 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 07 2015,7:08 am)
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I've underestimated you SB, never thought you were open minded enough to vote for a gay. Notice how Carson carries his arms how he gestures, voice tone, almost that gay lisp, this guy is light in the loafers.
Wow, what a bigot, no wonder you were so sensitive about your love canal.
One of my best friends for all of my life is gay, it's what he is, it's what makes him happy. Who the hell am I to judge different?
What a disgusting human being you are, do us all a favor, rent the pistol.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2015,8:01 am
I could care less about Color or sexual orientation, what I do care about is numbers, the numbers simply don't add up for any Republican. I think it was Bush who first coined the phrase "fuzzy math" the Republican Party has since based their entire Platform on that concept!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2015,8:11 am
^^ bigot Apparently a hypocrite too
Posted by Marneman on Nov. 08 2015,1:50 am
"oohIf we've learned anything from George W. and his ilk it's that Tax Cuts must be accompanied by spending cuts. This type of supply-sider blue sky economy is why we're in-debt up to our collective ha."Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner! That part of your statement says it all. The biggest problem in Washington DC is that no one (either Republican or Democrats) wants to cut spending! Everyone has to have their PORK to send home, and while both sides point fingers and blame each other they just keep spending our money.
Constitutionaly the only thing the federal governmenty is supposed to spend money on is defense and roads and bridges (infastructure). But now we're spending money on welfare, education, and a host of other programs that by the constitution are supposed to be taken care of by the States. Not to mention Billions in forign aid, at lot of which goes to countries that don't even like us. Also there is too much coporate welfare crap going on , but again that goes back to pork barrel spending by our "Represenatives" in DC that have forgotten who they work for!!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2015,5:44 am
^^ I always enjoy your posts and yes, spending IS the problem. Our constitution needs to be more adhered to, not twisted.Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2015,7:51 am
(Marneman @ Nov. 08 2015,1:50 am)
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Constitutionaly the only thing the federal governmenty is supposed to spend money on is defense and roads and bridges (infastructure). But now we're spending money on welfare, education, and a host of other programs that by the constitution are supposed to be taken care of by the States.
While there are arguments as to the meaning, the Constitution mentions the General Welfare not only in the Preamble but in the context elsewhere. this gives the Federal Government broad powers.
Should the Federal Government regulate education? Yes, I believe it should, the more educated our populace the more prosperous our economy, we can no longer compete as laborers with the slave labor wage so we best compete with our minds.
Left to their own devices, States, particularly those of the Red State persuasion would spiral education back to the one room, one teacher, country school system.
Do I believe everyone should go to college, no, we need truck drivers and the like to keep the economy moving too.
College acceptance should be based on aptitude, as I believe it will under a plan proposed by Sen. Bernie Sanders.
Student loan debt now exceeds that of credit card debt, this is a state of crises, taking purchasing/savings/investment power away from our youth for years on end.
Your next question, how do we pay for that "Socialist" monstrosity! Once again, we're talking about the General Welfare of our Nation, our combined economical success.
The math might surprise you, I'll quote Bernie's boys( not Bernie's actual funding proposal ) here:
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Public tuition in the United States is nearly $70 billion. Pell grants the federal government already uses bring that down to about $40 billion -- that's how much it would cost to make tuition at public universities in the United States free.
That's 7.5% of the massive $526 billion military budget.
Utah's "houses for homeless" program essentially eradicated homelessness in the state, at an annual cost of $10,000-$12,000 per person. There are 610,000 homeless people in the United States. It'd cost 7.32 billion to house them all.
So let's recap. 10% of $526 billion is $52.6 billion. After Pell grants, the cost of public tuition in the US would be only $40 billion. That, in addition to the cost of providing housing, would be $47.32 billion, considerably less than 10% of the military budget.
It's not about money.
It's about priorities.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2015,11:44 am
^^Perhaps some education.< http://constitutionmythbuster.com/2011...ly-mean >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2015,12:05 pm
You quote a Blog at world press . com, You're a HOOPLEHEAD! Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2015,2:00 pm
^^ ah, canal's still sore Progressives need to realize the constitution is what it is, not a piece of asswipe. So what good is having states if all that happens is the Feds just ride roughshod over them? For that matter what good is having a congress if a pres. just decides to go it alone?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2015,2:58 pm
WOW, a Hooplehead and a Constitutional Scholar all in the same turdbag...Dumbo, the blogger you linked was quoting the Federalist Papers, so what are the Federal Papers, a series of essays written and published in a news paper! Do they hold any importance, yes, but they're as bias as the authors. Are they still used today, yes, as arguing points as to the Constitution's meaning!
So what happens when an interpretation of the Constitution isn't excepted by one side or another? Ever hear of a little outfit called the Supreme Court? One of those folks who wrote the Federalist essays was I believe James Madison, his view on General Welfare clause was in opposition to Alexander Hamilton's the Supreme Court sided with Hamilton's view. something like that away..
I'm not sure how the whole thing breaks down, the States run things independently but the Federal regulates. Any way what I'm trying to tell you is the Constitution has been challenged as to the meaning many times throughout our history. It is what it is, learn to live with it...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2015,3:16 pm
^^ ah so love canal 's never heard of legislating from the bench, breathtakingly stupid Probably never heard of incrementalism.
Sure the constitution has been challenged and it will continue to be.
By the way, keep calling me Dumbo, I love your new moniker
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2015,3:21 pm
So back to the subject at hand,
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 09 2015,5:18 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 09 2015,5:43 am
^^ life's tough buttercup.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 09 2015,5:49 am
^Hooplehead!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 09 2015,6:09 am
^^screw the union One of the main reasons tuition has gone through the roof is gov subsidies. Loans given out like candy at Halloween. Colleges also accept kids with substandard grades and leaning abilities, also raising tuition. We went to quantity, less quality.
This is typical progressive ideaology, everybody gets a turn thus lowering the bar.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 09 2015,7:19 am
Well, it is November, Turkey's are in season, but that's one of the biggest Turkeys you've ever posted. you're as stupid as the day is long, you HOOPLEHEAD...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 09 2015,7:33 am
^^whatever you say Love Canal.I heard from the long haulers you were giving BOGO's at the rest area last night.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 10 2015,3:14 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 11 2015,4:57 am
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 11 2015,6:52 am
^^^Did you even view the Sander's interview?Sander's quoted Koch's Presidential Platform from the time Koch ran as Vice President on the Libertarian ticket.
The Platform called for the outright elimination of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid the defunding or elimination of everything the Government has in place to protect or help the people.
It's what the whole Republican Platform is about today, the Policy these bought and paid for Oligarchy owned politicians are calling for will essentially take US back a century, when Corporate Oligarch's ruled through their proxy puppets.
The Repulitards of today make Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan look like sensible leaders...what's wrong with you guys, wake up...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 11 2015,8:06 am
I tend to tune out nutty people, highly irritating. SS? Abolish it, give it back to me as a tax credit over the next 10 or so years, I'll turn it into more money than the gov would trifle back to me, plus when I leave this world I'll have more to pass on to my family instead of some insulting death "benefit"
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 11 2015,9:00 am
Sterilize the poor. Do it with WIC. Methinks that would make a lot of folks happy, although only a few would admit to it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 11 2015,9:23 am
^^ perhaps nothing that drastic but maybe if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.
Posted by Marneman on Nov. 12 2015,2:30 am
Saw Expats post of the quote from Mr. Sanders and it reminded me of a letter to the editor in Monday morning Star-Tribune about the university of Minnesota-Rochester.The writer talked about before they became a Uof M school the Jr. colledge in Rochester had about 45 employees. Within a year of them become a U of M school they had over 250 employees. They had a chancellor and 3 assitant chancellors who's combined saleries exceded $600,00.00. Yet the number of students enrolled there has gone down ever since they became a U of M college. The writer went on to say the U of M should just cut there loses and shut down the Rochester Campus. There in a nutshell tells you what is wrong with our universities in this country. Rochester on the face of it was an excellant location for a university with Mayo clinic there it could have become a major school for the medical feild, but now it has become a white elephant that is overburdining the tax payers and students. They were a small school that needed time to grow, not to be saddled with a large unsubstainable facualty and administration(with all it's accompaning beuacracy). A chancellor and 3 assistant chancellors, Really!! But it isn't just at the college level where we see the overgrowth of administration. The public school system also suffers from this problem, it's why our school taxes keep going up! Sure teachers need good pay and our students need good facilities and equipment, but do we need to pay an excessive number of administrators, with their accompaning excessive saleries to get all that. I think not!
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 12 2015,6:58 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2015,8:09 am
^^
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 12 2015,8:54 am
(Marneman @ Nov. 12 2015,2:30 am)
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Saw Expats post of the quote from Mr. Sanders and it reminded me of a letter to the editor in Monday morning Star-Tribune about the university of Minnesota-Rochester.
The writer talked about before they became a Uof M school the Jr. colledge in Rochester had about 45 employees. Within a year of them become a U of M school they had over 250 employees. They had a chancellor and 3 assitant chancellors who's combined saleries exceded $600,00.00. Yet the number of students enrolled there has gone down ever since they became a U of M college. The writer went on to say the U of M should just cut there loses and shut down the Rochester Campus. There in a nutshell tells you what is wrong with our universities in this country. Rochester on the face of it was an excellant location for a university with Mayo clinic there it could have become a major school for the medical feild, but now it has become a white elephant that is overburdining the tax payers and students. They were a small school that needed time to grow, not to be saddled with a large unsubstainable facualty and administration(with all it's accompaning beuacracy). A chancellor and 3 assistant chancellors, Really!! But it isn't just at the college level where we see the overgrowth of administration. The public school system also suffers from this problem, it's why our school taxes keep going up! Sure teachers need good pay and our students need good facilities and equipment, but do we need to pay an excessive number of administrators, with their accompaning excessive saleries to get all that. I think not!
The writer talked about before they became a Uof M school the Jr. colledge in Rochester had about 45 employees. Within a year of them become a U of M school they had over 250 employees. They had a chancellor and 3 assitant chancellors who's combined saleries exceded $600,00.00. Yet the number of students enrolled there has gone down ever since they became a U of M college. The writer went on to say the U of M should just cut there loses and shut down the Rochester Campus. There in a nutshell tells you what is wrong with our universities in this country. Rochester on the face of it was an excellant location for a university with Mayo clinic there it could have become a major school for the medical feild, but now it has become a white elephant that is overburdining the tax payers and students. They were a small school that needed time to grow, not to be saddled with a large unsubstainable facualty and administration(with all it's accompaning beuacracy). A chancellor and 3 assistant chancellors, Really!! But it isn't just at the college level where we see the overgrowth of administration. The public school system also suffers from this problem, it's why our school taxes keep going up! Sure teachers need good pay and our students need good facilities and equipment, but do we need to pay an excessive number of administrators, with their accompaning excessive saleries to get all that. I think not!
How did District 241 get by on so little staff for so long until they didn't? How much office space does the district staff take up now, as opposed to 1975, when there were more students?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2015,10:14 am
I think I remember 241 graduating 13-1500 per year in the 70's
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 12 2015,10:21 am
Yeah, with a tiny administration department with no computers to speak of. And no outrageous salaries. And they produced graduates who could add and subtract and think and so on. Now it's some Funked-up corporate business structure.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 12 2015,10:44 am
Sounds like the philosophers and welders story.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2015,12:48 pm
What does a philosopher do to put food on the table? Socrates? Plato? If you really boil it down to it's essence, they're nothing more than bullsh!t artist. So with that I guess they become politicians.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 12 2015,4:14 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 12 2015,12:48 pm)
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What does a philosopher do to put food on the table?
Philosophy is not a school of thought that leads directly to employment, like a welding class or somesuch. Philosophy is more about the character and ethics of a person, of a society, of a religion, and so on. But if you want to throw everything Aristotle ever taught us about ethics out the window because you see no d¾mn value in it, then maybe Liberal's point on a different thread about Idiocracy isn't so far off the mark.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2015,5:33 pm
^^ nice cut.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 12 2015,6:32 pm
Jus' sayin'. Don't be dissin' philosophy majors. Somebody has to be the moral compass, or, before you know it something like Dachau happens.
Posted by stardust14 on Nov. 12 2015,9:26 pm
It appears Squareheads got too close to a press at some point. Things like philosophy, empathy, or common good no longer resonate. Holding their head to the grindstone is "creative thinking", allowing industry to mold their thoughts. Unfortunate the working class is sometimes wrongfully represented by manufactured linear personalities and character. It's no wonder, then, the elite percent tend to herd workers into easily managed groups. The herd reacts to their shepards' commands. Very little introspection as individuals.Maybe they are followers of Pythagoras who believed the universe was all three dimensional shapes, and thus they became Squareheads!... or Plato who taught the justice of subservience and slavery, his teachings used in building Christianity. Who knows.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 13 2015,7:45 am
Feel the Bern, Clintonestas Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2015,7:58 am
^^ Total nutjob.👽
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 13 2015,9:43 am
Did I hear that Clinton is ahead by 30 points in the polls? I guess I don't get the "feel the Bern" jab at this point.Maybe if Bernie is nice Hillary will let him be her Vice president, but personally I like a Clinton Warren ticket, or Clinton Biden. I guess I'm just looking for a ticket that makes the Republicans so angry that they turn the hate up to 100 and turn off the independent voters
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2015,10:23 am
^^ please run "Pocahontas"
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 13 2015,3:08 pm
VFW Presents Sanders with Congressional Award...2015 Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2015,4:32 pm
^^ and he didn't even serveImagine that
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 14 2015,1:15 am
Who's next, Jane Fonda?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2015,6:39 am
It's fairly clear the VFW doesn't have a problem with Sanders.This whole thing you started about conscientious objector, CO status didn't keep you out of your Military obligation, you served in one capacity or another or you went to jail like Clay!
I doubt Sanders was in any real danger of being Drafted, his age and marital status would have exempted him, I believe he was making a political statement, he's always been a progressive activist.
The Draft didn't take everyone, the draft boards were local they filled a quota as needed!
1967, 68, 69 were our big years in the war, during those years we had major offensives going on in the field, we were taking heavy casualties, during these years enlistments were down and the draft was in full gear, every swinging dick was on the line!
In 1969 we had over a half million men in Vietnam, that was our biggest year. Nixon circled the wagons, major offensives became few and far between, we started to downsize and they had some whacked out idea the South Vietnamese could fight their own war. The Draft went to a lottery system in 70 or 71, they didn't need all those draftees anymore, just like the years prior to 1965 or so, getting drafted was you might, you might not be, they could be selective taking the best potential soldiers they could muster.
I'm 65 years old, that would probably make me the median age for that war, Sanders is nine years older at 74, he was one of those ages that lucked out and would have missed that mistake in our history. But yet he had the balls to say this is a mistake, as his Congressional voting record shows he's not quick to get US engaged in foreign military excursions that have nothing to do with our National Defense.
That's how I can support Sen. Bernie Sanders for President, he's shown his support for Veterans with every Congressional Vote, whether that be to help our returning Veterans or keeping them out of needless quagmires in the first place!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2015,6:46 am
^^ ahh! That's why you endorse him, no ex in eight years? You must really want to be f... First the love canal, now this? Speechless
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2015,7:52 am
How do I watch the CBS News Democratic debate?The second Democratic debate will be held at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, on Nov. 14. It will air from 9pm to 11pm ET on the CBS Television Network. Pre-debate coverage will begin at 8pm ET.
What: Second Democratic presidential debate
Time: 9pm to 11pm ET
Where to watch/listen:
On TV: CBS television affiliates or on CBSN streaming on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Android TV and Xbox One
Mobile: CBSN streaming on the CBS News apps CBS News for Android and CBS News for iOS
Online: CBSNews.com (livestream will include real-time Twitter trends, instant reactions, curated Tweets and other key information)
On radio: CBS Radio News affiliates
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2015,9:47 am
^^ I'll be watching
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 14 2015,11:38 am
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If a president leads by example, Sanders’ own draft dodging behavior could encourage young men and women today to turn their backs on the U.S. government and their president if they were asked to serve. It could set a dangerous precedence. There is a fragile line between acts of civil disobedience and the principles of freedom. Our democratically structured system of government draws and defines that line.
It is often difficult for people who did not grow up between the years of 1940-1973 to understand the feelings of 18-year-old males who faced the draft and the possibility of going to war. Although citizens have the freedom to peacefully protest the draft or a war, they do not have the option to pick and choose which war to participate in when America asks them to serve. Those who refused to serve their country were breaking the law. I knew no one who liked the draft or wanted to go to war, but the people I served with were extremely proud of having fulfilled their duty and obligation to their country.
Our laws cannot be ignored by calling it our right to freedom of expression. Veterans will tell you freedom is not a right, it is a privilege. The many people who have served their country in the military sacrificed their freedom, health and even their lives to protect that privilege. President John F. Kennedy put it well, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” This is an idea America currently needs to embrace again. While I certainly do not want a "hawk" to become our next president, I don’t think a person who to this day still says, “I would not have fought in that war.” is qualified to be our commander in chief. His statement diminishes the many sacrifices veterans made who did serve in the Vietnam War.
< http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story...2070980 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2015,12:10 pm
^^ nice findFor that matter many citizens might find it objectionable to pay taxes, where would we be then?
I have a lot of people on face book that blindly follow Bullsh!t, any disentting opinions is met with vicious berating.
Will the debate tonight be like the last dem debate where all the candidates bow to stroke lady?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2015,12:44 pm
I don't agree with Mr. Wikert's opinion piece, and that's all it is opinion!Sanders may have applied for CO status, but it's the Military that has the finial say on that status. CO status wasn't an exemption from Military Service, it wouldn't stop you from being drafted. Like I said, Sanders was in a sweet spot as age goes, too young for Korea too old for Vietnam, It happens...
Clay claimed CO, he was drafted, he refused Military Service of any kind, he went to jail!
I'd find Sanders more acceptable as Commander in Chief than any Republican chicken-hawk.
I will agree with Mr. Wikert on the hawk quote, we've waltzed into too many quagmires on some hawk's false flag!
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2015,12:59 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 14 2015,1:15 am)
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Who's next, Jane Fonda?
Fonda did apologize for her blunder in North Vietnam
Now if she'd just apologize for that awful Movie Barbarella she'd be square with the world...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2015,3:16 pm
^^wow, apologizes 40 years later.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 15 2015,7:03 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 14 2015,7:52 am)
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How do I watch the CBS News Democratic debate?
The second Democratic debate will be held at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, on Nov. 14. It will air from 9pm to 11pm ET on the CBS Television Network. Pre-debate coverage will begin at 8pm ET.
What: Second Democratic presidential debate
Time: 9pm to 11pm ET
Where to watch/listen:
On TV: CBS television affiliates or on CBSN streaming on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Android TV and Xbox One
Mobile: CBSN streaming on the CBS News apps CBS News for Android and CBS News for iOS
Online: CBSNews.com (livestream will include real-time Twitter trends, instant reactions, curated Tweets and other key information)
On radio: CBS Radio News affiliates
The second Democratic debate will be held at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, on Nov. 14. It will air from 9pm to 11pm ET on the CBS Television Network. Pre-debate coverage will begin at 8pm ET.
What: Second Democratic presidential debate
Time: 9pm to 11pm ET
Where to watch/listen:
On TV: CBS television affiliates or on CBSN streaming on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Android TV and Xbox One
Mobile: CBSN streaming on the CBS News apps CBS News for Android and CBS News for iOS
Online: CBSNews.com (livestream will include real-time Twitter trends, instant reactions, curated Tweets and other key information)
On radio: CBS Radio News affiliates
Wow, what a softball game.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Nov. 15 2015,1:19 pm
You can not believe a word that old broad says
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 15 2015,3:58 pm
(pepi-lapew @ Nov. 15 2015,1:19 pm)
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You can not believe a word that old broad says
Who? Stroke lady? Or Expat?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 15 2015,7:22 pm
Lets be realistic, the Democrats put up a much more unified front on positions, a path to revitalize our ailing Middle Class! Questions were answered not avoided or spun off to some irrelevant subject such as we saw with the Republicans.Hillary was weak on her Wall Street contributors, and the fact she wouldn't commit to reinstating the Glass–Steagall Act.
She's a good speaker, but watching her body language or facial expression as the other candidates spoke was telling of her demeanor! No wonder Bill needed some stray...
She's good, but as Bernie said "Not Good Enough", I'd give the debate to Sanders, I'm sure the Clinton supporters would give it to Hillary, but O'Malley did okay too! all in all the Democrat's have got it together!
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 16 2015,5:27 am
(Liberal @ Nov. 13 2015,9:43 am)
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I like a Clinton Warren ticket, I guess I'm just looking for a ticket that makes the Republicans so angry that they turn the hate up to 100 and turn off the independent voters
Warren wouldn't touch Clinton with a ten foot pole, She's Bernie's running mate!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2015,5:31 am
An incompetent, a total nutjob and Marty Moose As I stated before, a total softball game. All stroke lady had to do was keep from screwing the pooch and for the most part she did. The Artful Dodger seemed pretty shallow when questioned more in depth, especially on the Dems favorite subject, gun control. Looks like stroke lady will take the nomination and when she does I look forward to her most likely having another vapor lock when debating the winner of the repubs side, that is unless she's indicted
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2015,5:40 am
Stoke lady's running mate will most likely be this wiggler< http://portal.hud.gov/hudport..._castro >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 16 2015,5:56 am
Clinton or Sanders could eat any of the republican candidates in a debate, face it SB, you don't have a strong candidate, the ones that do have a strong presence are borderline deranged! Should one of the meeker Republicans float to the top like a turd, they're all pushing the same failed supply sider/hawk economic policy that got US into this mess in the first place!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2015,5:59 am
^^ Time will tell
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 16 2015,6:28 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2015,8:56 am
^^wow, I actually made it through half of that driveling-softball interview, where do I apply to get that 3 min of my life back? What a pandering bullsh!t artist the Artful Dogder is.
Posted by stardust14 on Nov. 17 2015,2:42 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 14 2015,12:44 pm)
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I'd find Sanders more acceptable as Commander in Chief than any Republican chicken-hawk.
All those hawks out there screaming for blood...but not theirs, or their kids, or anyone elses among the upper crust. They're learning well from Boko Haram and other religous fundamentalists----strap some weapons and explosives on some poor young kids and turn em loose in a war zone created by elite social engineers. Now that's patriotism!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 17 2015,4:48 am
^^ wow, and he calls people here parrots
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 17 2015,5:58 pm
I love this interview but the disturbing thing is that we have twits like this girl going to college.< http://youtu.be/Zmji36q8E4o >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2015,6:41 am
^^Back in the early 70's I went to college for free, well I was on the GI bill, so the VA paid me, I paid for for books etc. My fellow students who weren't Veterans paid their own way, but credits and books were dirt cheap in those days.I financed my children's education on the basis their grades would be their work, to brag a little the system worked well, they graduated Magna Cum Laude, not the top honor, but damn close, this moved them into high paying Corporate Jobs, hired during their internships.
The difference in cost from the days of my education to theirs was astronomical, credits and books are crazy, if you can't find a used book you'll pay big time..If I hadn't had a high-end job with a Utility I would have never been able to swing their education costs, they wouldn't have had a chance on their own.
Did my education benefit me, yes, it also benefited my employer and the country in general, I think we have to look at this as an investment in our country's future.
Not everyone is college material, nothing wrong that, if you don't have the aptitude it's a waste of time and money, we can always send folks like you to three weeks of truck driving school!!
It seems such a waste, to leave bright kids in this quagmire.
Sanders has a plan to pay for it, I'm having trouble with links and YouTube today..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2015,8:51 am
Magma Cum Laude, not bad, are you absolutely sure they're yours? You seem to be at the shallow end of the gene pool.Maybe the link you're looking for is more video of that clueless girl. Sanders plan is quit simple, maybe that why you're so attracted to him, you're a simpleton.
Three weeks for truck driving school? Yep, that's kinda a sore spot with me considering the caliber of driver we have out there now. But to say you're successful just because you worked in the public entity? What a croc. Automatic raises, badgering the coop for your health care, and a union to take care of you in case you screw up.
Fortunately Bullsh!t's number won't allow for him to go much further and stoke lady's a walking f^*kup.
Keep at it Love Canal
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2015,12:53 pm
^The term public utility is often attached to an investor owned utility, just why, well the term utility is associated with providing a service to the public.Even if said utility is privately investor owned, in this State it still falls under the jurisdiction of the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission. Confused yet?
QUOTE
quit simple,
yes, you're quite a simpleton...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2015,2:21 pm
^^ no, I understand, my cabin is powered by Crow Wing Power, that's member owned.And I still think you haven't got clue one as to how to run a business.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2015,3:01 pm
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[quote=Self-Banished,Nov. 18 2015,2:21 pm]^^ no, I understand, my cabin is powered by Crow Wing Power, that's member owned.
Not all utilities are subject to PUC jurisdiction, I can't from memory quote you chapter and verse of the law. One big factor in PUC regulation is profit or nonprofit. Your COOP for instance is nonprofit, membership owned, it's regulated by a board yet may have PUC oversight, but more than likely not.
Municipal utilities are regulated through oversight by board or municipal government.
So what's the big difference, if the utility I worked for wanted to raise the rates we have to go to the PUC make the case/justification get the okay.
Your Coop's board can raise rates without the PUC's say so, there's a lot more the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission regulates, but this one of the bigger factors that affect US as ratepayers.
I don't know how much generation your coop has, so somewhere down the line that power is coming from one of the big producers, coops often contract and are just retailers rather than producers, so the PUC may have some control on your rates, but not directly.. just an educated guess, I'm not familiar with your Coop's capacity..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2015,3:31 pm
I've got a fridge, a freezer and a security light and I just paid the bill a few minutes ago,$24I don't think that's too bad
I think the power comes from the dam in Pilliger.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2015,3:40 pm
Hydro is seasonal, it'll spin those turbines to full capacity in the spring but you're getting a trickle charge now...Edit: looked up Pilager, belongs to Minnesota Power, it's only 1.5 Megawatts per hr. that would be full capacity in the spring, now you wouldn't have the water flow to get .5 Megawatts.. not much power on it's best day..your Coop is probably contracted to Minnesota Power.. maybe NSP/Xcel
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2015,3:53 pm
^^ ummmm, ok, nice to know.Here's some stupid kids
< http://youtu.be/7qrK-MBzvzE >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2015,5:45 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 18 2015,3:31 pm)
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I've got a fridge, a freezer and a security light and I just paid the bill a few minutes ago,$24
I don't think that's too bad
I don't think that's too bad
I don't know how you can deal with being a member of an obviously Socialist organization, paying those damn low rates!
You do know all these cooperatives were created as part of the New Deal legislation, FDR and those damn liberals, they've ruined this country with their Keynesian economics.
If not for the for Rural Electrification Act of 1936 you'd be in the dark, it provided federal loans for the installation of electrical distribution systems to serve isolated rural areas of the United States. The funding was channeled through cooperative electric power companies, most of which still exist today. If not for FDR and the Democrats you'd be in the dark, well, you're in the dark on most topics anyway!
A for profit Utility would never invest in something that doesn't turn a profit, to few customers, to much in the way
infrastructure investment, no real electrical load, just doesn't pencil out...
As an Ayn Rand loving patriot of the capitalist system, you should immediately call Crow Wing Co-op and tell them to get their damn FDR communist wire off your property!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2015,6:12 am
It's what's there, no other choice. If I had another I might consider it. Otherwise they seem well run and quite helpful the way they should be and if they weren't they'd probably been run out long time ago.REA was a wonderful thing but you seem to think that with our them we'd be sh!tting in the back yard and wiping with a stick. No, commerce always has a way, hole are always filled (oops, sorry about that Mr. Canal)
Just to piss in your Cheerios this crispy morn, here's a vid.
< https://www.yahoo.com/politic...82.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2015,6:39 am
The whole point of my post, the Government has to get involved for the good of US all, this isn't Socialism it's smart Capitalism. When the Government Electrified rural America - factories went into overdrive to produce goods that would have never been sold, increasing employment, Government revenues increased, the economy prospered, don't be so quick to dismiss Keynesian economics in favor of austerity measures proposed by the Republicans..
Your link takes me to Yahoo, but no specific news stream, way too many topics to determine your intent..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2015,7:40 am
^^ I'll get back to you on the vid when I get home tonight, it's a pain in the ass with an iPhone.Gov has it's place, and if they'd keep their sticky fingers out of business for the most part w'd be better off. Instead we have a maze of regulations, some of them there only to put money in the pockets of some bueracrat, some extremely outdated.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 19 2015,4:03 pm
^A lot of conservatives say that. But you can't expect public (government) to build the infrastructure a business operates on, protect their property from fire and crime, even be there to settle contract disputes, but... Back off otherwise, and keep their "sticky fingers" out of business on April 15th. I'd agree about regulation, it's outdated. But anytime they try update lobbyists are going to fight it and say business should regulate itself. If you believe that, I've got some pictures from the oil spill in the gulf to show you. I'll even buy you some chicken and try to cook it enough to kill the salmonella heidelberg.
Google Foster Farms outbreak, regulators aren't even allowed to stop these things from happening when everyone knows how dangerous it is. So you're right, outdated, some are too strict, but many are outdated because they're too weak.
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 19 2015,4:33 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 18 2015,3:53 pm)
QUOTE
^^ ummmm, ok, nice to know.
Here's some stupid kids
< http://youtu.be/7qrK-MBzvzE >
Here's some stupid kids
< http://youtu.be/7qrK-MBzvzE >
Enjoy your videos, I used to get a kick out of the TEA party rally interviews ThinkProgress would post on youtube. Plenty of bad answers to go around.
I've got to catch up on debates, I haven't seen the last Dem or Repub one yet. Either way, any candidate needs to focus on infrastructure and education. I'd rather not see another bridge fall down while we spend a fortune in the middle east.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2015,7:01 pm
(irisheyes @ Nov. 19 2015,4:03 pm)
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^A lot of conservatives say that. But you can't expect public (government) to build the infrastructure a business operates on, protect their property from fire and crime, even be there to settle contract disputes, but... Back off otherwise, and keep their "sticky fingers" out of business on April 15th.
That's just it, gov doesn't produce anything, all it is in a nutshell is too many damned cooks. But what it should be is police and fire, not much more. Toll roads, why not? Privately owned, privately maintained
I like watching a city like Mpls operate(probably because I don't live there), high taxes, tons of regulations, and the most dysfunctional maintainence and construction force I've ever seen. Alone with plow trucks and the usual compliment of equipment a city should own they must have every specialty piece of equipment on the planet plus the trained personnel to operate it. They also have city garbage trucks, what the hell for? Much cheaper to contract it out, the same with the specialty equipment.
Gov loves to become bloated. Officials need to feel important so they have committees and conferences and if they can get away with it, more and more rules.
How many superintendents does a school district need, principals, vice principals, redundancy and more redundancy. And why the hell do gov employees need a union? Negotiate the color of the lunch rooms?
It's simple, gov needs to be trimmed, severely.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2015,7:10 pm
Here you go Ex, something substantial to chew on with your Cheerios in the morning < http://youtu.be/wAJeqbaMv6c >
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 19 2015,11:04 pm
The role of the government is to secure our liberty, not to stifle it through an over reaching over bearing bureaucracy that enslaves its citizens. The government should not be in the business of providing things like shelter or food to name a few, but to protect its citizens from enemies that want to do them harm whether it is by domestic criminals or foreign enemies. Anything more and it forgets its principle purpose which is to protect the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.Nuff said.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 19 2015,11:31 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 19 2015,7:01 pm)
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I like watching a city like Mpls operate(probably because I don't live there), high taxes, tons of regulations, and the most dysfunctional maintainence and construction force I've ever seen. Alone with plow trucks and the usual compliment of equipment a city should own they must have every specialty piece of equipment on the planet plus the trained personnel to operate it. They also have city garbage trucks, what the hell for? Much cheaper to contract it out, the same with the specialty equipment.
Well, that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? Local governments used to be able to define what was needed for their specific circumstances, but no more. A 'one size fits all' corporate model was brainlessly adopted, and mega-metros like the cities have to deal with the problems that their monster populations imply, then backwater one-stoplight places like Albert Lea and Austin go, "We need that, too," and off we go, never thinking that the needs of one place are strikingly different from another.
The governmental needs of a place like Minneapolis are very different from the governmental needs of, say, Albert Lea. We need to stop thinking otherwise.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 20 2015,7:29 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 19 2015,7:10 pm)
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Here you go Ex, something substantial to chew on with your Cheerios in the morning
< http://youtu.be/wAJeqbaMv6c >
< http://youtu.be/wAJeqbaMv6c >
Actually watched that interview when it was televised.
Koch calls himself a contrarian, that's how I classify your beliefs, - you don't want to be taxed by the government, yet you support the very policy that causes this taxation.
Example, a living wage- My thoughts here- if Liberal wants to eat at McDonald's he's going to have to pay a little more for that quarter pounder, if that McDonald's employee feels his employer cares enough pay a living wage, he'll care enough to give Lib his special order burger. I know these places are franchised, but I'm sure with McDonald's management fees and executive salaries there's room for adjustment, same goes for Walmart we may have to pay a little more, executives get a little less.
Are we actually paying more, no, for the most part we are subsidizing these low wage Corporations with our tax dollars, so most of US pay either way.
As for CEO pay, ownership of a company is held by those who own the stock, it's our pension funds holding this stock, but we really don't have a voice. I can see compensating a CEO well, but when he makes the equivalent of a lottery win our pension funds are being robbed as well as the company itself.
Why would the Company I worked for care about a living wage? Because our customers run the spectrum from rich to poor. I can't say this about Minnesota, we're a progressive State, that has a lot to do with why we were rated the # 1 place for business in the USA.
A person making $ 7.25 hourly can't really pay their bills, his inability to pay his bills reflects on my employers bottom line. there's a continuing multiplication factor that spirals thru our economy.
Not every employer pays sub-survival wage but those numbers are growing as will be the effect on our Nation..
This all boils down to-do we elect Republican's and their laissez-faire style Government or do we go with a Keynesian policy of the Democrats?
My opinion, well you know my opinion, free market without regulation has been a proven disaster. Our trade policy has off-shored our jobs, we can't compete with the wages of Asia or Mexico. We were sold a bill of goods on this service based economy, enough is enough, to quote Bernie..
I know my logic is tough for our rightwingers to swallow, but if people can't pay their bills no business can survive. The more money in circulation from the workers is what feeds US all...
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 20 2015,10:00 am
What a CEO makes is a private matter and something that shouldn't be left up to the government or people like you that don't have any skin in the game to decide. If the decision to pay a CEO so much money that it leads the the company failing, then so be it. Let them fail. It's theirs to lose not yours.Using the government to forcibly take money from one person to give to another is an infringement on
liberty.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 20 2015,10:02 am
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 20 2015,10:00 am)
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Using the government to forcibly take money from one person to give to another is an infringement on
liberty.
liberty.
So you're saying that you were opposed to the Iraq war.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 20 2015,10:08 am
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 20 2015,10:02 am)
QUOTE
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 20 2015,10:00 am)
QUOTE
Using the government to forcibly take money from one person to give to another is an infringement on
liberty.
liberty.
So you're saying that you were opposed to the Iraq war.
explain the point your driving at and i will give you an answer you won't agree with.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2015,10:41 am
^^
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 20 2015,4:18 pm
Using the government (via the military)to forcibly take money from one person (taxes) to give to another (Halliburton, Veritas Capital, and so on) is an infringement on liberty.
Better?
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 21 2015,12:27 am
interesting. I must have missed that. I talk to a lot of people every day and have never heard anyone mention the military using tax money to force them into giving their own money to those corporations you mentioned. I know the IRS has agents for that but not the military. I could be wrong though. You'd think the news networks would have reported on that by now, right? Where can I find out more about that? I'm eager to learn.
See. I know what you're aiming at because you have bought into the propaganda. Do some companies get rich during a war? You bet. It's called war profiteering. It happens in every war. Your theory on Haliburton is about as dumb as believing Mitsubishi conspired to convince Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor.
Good lord.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 21 2015,2:16 am
You're a special one, aren't you?Going to war indeed benefits a select few, while infuriating a burgeoning number pf potential militants who would take it out on westerners in general, i.e. you and me. Good job, and good flag waving.
In this case at least, the profiteering inspired the war, and not the other way around. Get it straight.
'Nuff said...
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 21 2015,6:46 am
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 20 2015,10:00 am)
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What a CEO makes is a private matter and something that shouldn't be left up to the government or people like you that don't have any skin in the game to decide. If the decision to pay a CEO so much money that it leads the the company failing, then so be it. Let them fail. It's theirs to lose not yours.
Using the government to forcibly take money from one person to give to another is an infringement on
liberty.
Using the government to forcibly take money from one person to give to another is an infringement on
liberty.
When a Company sells stocks or bonds it's essentially selling equity to the public, making said company a publicly held entity.
When our pension plans buy this company's equity or debt it makes US stakeholders.
It should be the duty of the corporate executives to look after the best interests of their shareholders, not to enrich themselves at our expense!
We need to rein in excessive executive compensation , incentive & performance compensation is a mere incentive for risky behavior to inflate stock prices for short term gain of the executives.
It's past time we tie executive compensation to that of the employees who actually do the work that makes the company successful, I'm not saying they shouldn't be compensated well.
IMO, Incentive & performance compensation cause stock to over-inflate, overvalued markets crash, we eat the loss while the executives walk away with their pockets bulging...
The Securities and Exchange Act was put into law after the 1929 crash, this gave US the Securities and Exchange commission (SEC) it's their job to police these Companies. This is the kind of burdensome regulation and big government the Republicans want gone, they shouldn't be gone they should be given more power to rein in this obvious problem that's hurting US all...
enough is enough ~
Posted by grassman on Nov. 21 2015,6:48 am
The first name that comes to everyone’s mind here is Halliburton. According to MSN Money, Halliburton’s KBR, Inc. division bilked government agencies to the tune of $17.2 billion in Iraq war-related revenue from 2003-2006 alone. This is estimated to comprise a whopping one-fifth of KBR’s total revenue for the 2006 fiscal year. The massive payoff is said to have financed the construction and maintenance of military bases, oil field repairs, and various infrastructure rebuilding projects across the war-torn nation. This is just the latest in a long string of military/KBR wartime partnerships, thanks in no small part to Dick Cheney’s former role with the parent company.For more reading on this... < http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25-most-vicious-iraq-war-profiteers/ >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 22 2015,7:13 am
The last time America had a Democratic Socialist as President he was elected FOUR times, think the Greatest Generation didn'tknow a good thing when they had it!
Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President of the United States four times: 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2015,2:51 pm
< http://www.cato.org/events...ression >< http://townhall.com/columni...ull >
< http://sovereignproject.com/wp-cont...EAL.pdf >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2015,3:04 pm
From CBS< http://www.cbsnews.com/news...sanders >
But fortunately there's this,
< http://thehill.com/blogs...clinton >
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 22 2015,8:09 pm
Gawd I love pissing in wheaties. Too easy.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 22 2015,8:11 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 22 2015,7:13 am)
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The last time America had a Democratic Socialist as President he was elected FOUR times, think the Greatest Generation didn't
know a good thing when they had it!
Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President of the United States four times: 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944.
know a good thing when they had it!
Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President of the United States four times: 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944.
Boy, what a success story. pfft...that worked well, huh? Too bad your generation pissed it away.
Now it's up to the rest of us to fix what you squandered.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 23 2015,6:44 am
SB, just when I think there's the faintest glimmer of hope for you, you might be headed down the track in a direction that's good for US, off the rails you go..Cato is Koch's personal propaganda machine, of coarse this guy hates FDR, he's preaching Oligarchy.
Townhall is more or less a rightwing blog spewing innuendo.
The Sovereign Project is totally anti government to the point of crazy..
That you'd quote off the walls like these crazies shows you're being led by the propagandist rather than logic.
Wouldn't logic dictate the the American People would have never gave FDR four terms as our President if he hadn't been leading US in the right direction!
As to your last two links, I'll let Mark Twain ( Samuel Clemens) take care of my light work-
~ "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 23 2015,7:12 am
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 22 2015,8:11 pm)
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Too bad your generation pissed it away.
All this Boomer hate, it's difficult for me to determine where it's coming from, isn't it part of the tenets of your chosen evangelistic religion to honor your mother and father.
Referring to your last post (attack) on Boomers, yes it's true we weren't a sexually repressed generation, practice makes perfect!
You refer to STDs , if one of US nasty old Boomers had a illicit affair with your wife and you got an STD a double dose of Tetracycline should fix you right up, unfortunately, your wife will never be the same, once you go Boomer you never go back!
Had you emulated the Boomers rather than hated, you would have leaned to pleasure her too.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2015,7:25 am
Wow, expat thinks I might have an inkling of moving socialist? He had a double bowl of Capt Dumbass cereal this morning💩Koch propaganda? of course expat's going to say that, that's his go to when he gets slapped down with the truth.
Bullsh!t Bernie's a loser, his political thinking is a losing proposition and stroke lady's gonna put a "W" in the column for the Repubs, hopefully a conservative repub😇
Socialism has about as much a chance of winning as the Viketards did yesterday.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 23 2015,7:57 am
Viketards? Are you speaking of the team, or the fans?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2015,8:21 am
^^ considering the way they played yesterday?? TeamConsidering the way their fans reacted? Well, I don't think I could blame them considering the caliber of play.💩
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 23 2015,8:28 am
@ SB, I'll have to concede to you on your Government hate, as the Republican's control both Houses of Congress as well as the Supreme Court, what a mess they've made of our Country!As for your weak attempt to link Sander's to the foreign and vile word Socialist, If you listen to Sander's speeches you'd soon realize he's not quoting some strange ideology, he's actually emulating FDR, quoting from his Second Bill of Rights..
FDR's “Second Bill of Rights” :
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad
*The right of every family to a decent home
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health
That's Democratic Socialism, it's smart Capitalism by another name...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2015,10:44 am
^^ you really need to go back and read the links in post 1131, FDR was a fu%k up who caused this country more pain with his policies.As far as Repub majority?
there are no balls in the repub leadership and Buster has been running rough shod over them for 7+ years now.Why do you thing candidates like Trump or Carson are so popular, people are sick of business as usual.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 23 2015,12:53 pm
Ben Who? that’s someplace up by the DMZ right?No experience, no knowledge of the issues, and the guys a fruitcake, he’s telling US how violent he is, how he stabbed a classmate, took a hammer after his Mother..
The guy says Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. he actually called the American people stupid, well, I can see how you’d identify with Carson apparently he knows you personally!
Carson said if the Jews had guns things with Hitler would have turned out differently. Carson actually compared present day America to Nazi Germany, the list goes on of stupid things this guy has said, there’s something not right in this guy's noggin..I think he was practicing an exploratory brain surgery on himself and never got things back together in proper sequence..
Maybe it’s time to take a close look at affirmative action, if we’ve paid to send a fruitcake like this thru college and medical school, he was obviously pushed thru because of the color of his skin.. Put the Grand Imperial Wizard Maddog on the case... this was humorous sarcasm in-case you didn’t get it, bright boy..
Trump, are you serious, he’s is totally deranged, he’s dumb enough to start a war with China, we’ll all be barefoot...you’d be unemployed..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2015,1:25 pm
^^ unemployed? Part of being an independent is being resilient, you being a union puke you wouldn't understand, you'd just sit there on your ever expanding ass and say "where's mine" hopefully someone tells you, "the independent took it"
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2015,4:56 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 23 2015,12:53 pm)
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Trump, are you serious, he’s is totally deranged, he’s dumb enough to start a war with China, we’ll all be barefoot...you’d be unemployed..
Am I serious? You bet
What, do you think we want an incompetent like stroke lady? Someone who ineptness gets people killed? Absolutely not.
Trump nuts? As compared to Bullsh!t Bernie? His idea of gov is more and more. Forcing companies to comply to the extent of going bankrupt. Plus the fact that he's a certifiable nut job and like stoke lady and our current slouch have never held a real job in their life.
We need a person of business to rewrite our tax laws to prevent more of this
< http://www.rawstory.com/2015...-merger >
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 24 2015,4:40 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 23 2015,1:25 pm)
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^^ unemployed? Part of being an independent is being resilient, you being a union puke you wouldn't understand, you'd just sit there on your ever expanding ass and say "where's mine" hopefully someone tells you, "the independent took it"
'Ever-expanding' ass? Have you seen your feet, lately? If you fit the profile of every trucker I've ever seen, your gut is a burgeoning piece of real estate. Farming that mess ain't work. It's sitting on your ass, driving a truck. Please disabuse yourself of the notion that you work hard for the money.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2015,5:10 am
^^I see my feet every time I look down I'm not the typical truck driver, I have more than one iron in the fire.
Have your mom bring you another "hot pocket"
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 24 2015,5:36 am
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Am I serious? You bet
This news comes from Trump's own twitter feed, as well as several predominate rightwing bloggers and the infamous propagandist Limbaugh.
The GOP and RNC are about to mount an all out operation to rid themselves of Trump. With time growing short, only a matter of months before Iowa's caucus they don't believe in Trump or his platform. They don't believe he'd stand a chance against whoever the Democrats run, independents will not vote for fruitcakes even if ex-teabaggers love him.
Ross Perot first brought to light the fact a Dirty Tricks Squad actually existed in the GOP, look for operation Trounce Trump to go into full swing soon...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2015,6:42 am
^^if it's true, leave to the repubs to shoot themselves in the foot.If Trump doesn't make it, then Rubio. The top six repub candidates trounce stroke lady. As much as I despise repubs I despise liberal Dems even more, socialist? They're what I scrap off my shoe after a walk in the dog park.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 24 2015,3:10 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 24 2015,6:42 am)
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They're what I scrap off my shoe after a walk in the dog park.
Your own words here seem to verify Botto's claim about your ability to see your feet!
yes, you've step in it again...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2015,4:43 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 24 2015,3:10 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Nov. 24 2015,6:42 am)
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They're what I scrap off my shoe after a walk in the dog park.
Your own words here seem to verify Botto's claim about your ability to see your feet!
yes, you've step in it again...
Oh, snappy come back
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2015,4:47 pm
Here we go < http://www.esquire.com/news-po...ndidate >
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 25 2015,6:43 am
The GOP is still pushing Bush as their traditional platform candidate.Hillary vs Bush = President Clinton, fact is according to any sportsbook you can find it's Clinton, and you can't get even money, so it's no bet at all...
If you tried to make a wager the odds favor Clinton over all Republicans, people who play sportsbooks generally don't make random wagers, fact is old Bernie has better odds then all but two Republicans, the odds can change, anything can happen but the likely pick among gamblers, true independents, seems obvious.
Your pick of the day, Cruz, is paying 1400 to 1, you better put your money on him, you could retire on those odds...
< http://www.oddsshark.com/enterta...futures >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2015,8:20 am
we're not playing a game.💀
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 26 2015,6:56 am
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 27 2015,6:23 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 27 2015,6:37 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 27 2015,8:42 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 28 2015,6:07 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 28 2015,6:55 am
^^ well let's see, my choices are a lying incompetent political hack, a socialist draft dodging nutjob or anyone of them in the repub side, numerous they be. Yep, Trump a bit abrasive but a far better choice than either of the Dems. There are more choices on the repub side and it's a long time to the nomination. Stroke lady's pretty much a shoe in for the nomination now unless some big bombshell lands on her, The artful dodger is a non factor now.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 28 2015,7:42 am
The Republican Party of today is no-longer the Republican Party!Back in the 50's and 60's their concern was business, but yet they saw Collective Bargaining and Unions as a counterbalance for the workers to also prosper. Today's Republican is at all out war with workers, they divide them and pit them against each other for the short term profits of the few.
The Republican Party should return to their old platform, not only should they be concerned with what's good for business but the American worker! They now concern themselves with the whims and wishes of the large Multinational Corporations.
But worse yet, they've been taken over by crazies who would turn our Government into a Theocracy, these folks are dangerous religious zealots who attempt rewrite the history of our Country.
I don't consider Barry Goldwater one of my favorite Republicans but he did accurately predict the future in this case..
Quote Barry Goldwater:
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 28 2015,8:10 am
^^and the Dems aren't full of nut jobs? The Dems also are nothing like they were in the '60's. Humphrey was far more conservative than any dem cares to remember.With OSHA and numerous other gov agencies unions are a thing of the past, get over it.
And oh my, the $15 min wage crowd managed to get some air time despite the police shooting BS.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 28 2015,10:32 am
Crazy seems to be the new norm among Republicans..The Democrats talk issues, they have a plan to revitalize the middle class, a path for our Nation to move forward, that every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad! These trade deals have sold US out in simpler terms, as have the Multinationals. The Democrats want to strengthen Social Security and Medicare, give part D the ability to negotiate
drug prices, do the right thing and protect the old, poor & sick among US...plus much more..
The Republicans talk, Benghazi, Hilary's emails, repeal Obamacare, Tax-cuts for the rich austerity for the workers, no minimum wage or regulation that would interfere with the sweatshop conditions they once again intend to impose on the American Worker. The Republicans would take US back a 100 years to a lawless free-market system...they want to cut Social Security, more like eviscerate the program, they want medicare to go private, a voucher system where everybody buys their own insurance, what do think the rates will be for an 85 year old with this no rules system, they want to privatize medicaid make it for profit for some fat cat crook, anyone voting Republican who isn't wealthy is simply stupid!
If the God all you tards tout would have wanted you to vote Republican he/she would have given you a candidate!
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 28 2015,1:30 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 28 2015,4:42 pm
(Expatriate @ Nov. 28 2015,10:32 am)
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Crazy seems to be the new norm among Republicans..
The Democrats talk issues, they have a plan to revitalize the middle class, a path for our Nation to move forward, that every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad! These trade deals have sold US out in simpler terms, as have the Multinationals. The Democrats want to strengthen Social Security and Medicare, give part D the ability to negotiate
drug prices, do the right thing and protect the old, poor & sick among US...plus much more..
The Republicans talk, Benghazi, Hilary's emails, repeal Obamacare, Tax-cuts for the rich austerity for the workers, no minimum wage or regulation that would interfere with the sweatshop conditions they once again intend to impose on the American Worker. The Republicans would take US back a 100 years to a lawless free-market system...they want to cut Social Security, more like eviscerate the program, they want medicare to go private, a voucher system where everybody buys their own insurance, what do think the rates will be for an 85 year old with this no rules system, they want to privatize medicaid make it for profit for some fat cat crook, anyone voting Republican who isn't wealthy is simply stupid!
If the God all you tards tout would have wanted you to vote Republican he/she would have given you a candidate!
The Democrats talk issues, they have a plan to revitalize the middle class, a path for our Nation to move forward, that every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad! These trade deals have sold US out in simpler terms, as have the Multinationals. The Democrats want to strengthen Social Security and Medicare, give part D the ability to negotiate
drug prices, do the right thing and protect the old, poor & sick among US...plus much more..
The Republicans talk, Benghazi, Hilary's emails, repeal Obamacare, Tax-cuts for the rich austerity for the workers, no minimum wage or regulation that would interfere with the sweatshop conditions they once again intend to impose on the American Worker. The Republicans would take US back a 100 years to a lawless free-market system...they want to cut Social Security, more like eviscerate the program, they want medicare to go private, a voucher system where everybody buys their own insurance, what do think the rates will be for an 85 year old with this no rules system, they want to privatize medicaid make it for profit for some fat cat crook, anyone voting Republican who isn't wealthy is simply stupid!
If the God all you tards tout would have wanted you to vote Republican he/she would have given you a candidate!
Ok, so I am one of the "tards" that believes in God.
Hmmm, so this is your hero worship, the Artful Dodger that you place on a pedestal. The moron that thinks that he's going to change the world economy, to shut down our borders from foreign competition or raise tariffs so high that foreign products in this country will become so expensive that the middle class won't be able to afford let alone the poor. So he's going to shutdown Walmart, Target, Amazon and others, these being a major drive in our economy. Manufactured parts from overseas that supply our factories too?
Unfair labor costs overseas? What are you going to do, pass minimum wage laws in China, Malaysia? Oh I know, we'll get that joke on an organization called the UN to enforce labor laws, they're a competent crew
The time for more career politicians that have never held a real job or run a business have long since past. Tell Bullsh!t Bernie and Stroke lady to go out and get real jobs, maybe they can continue the ludicrous fight for $15 hr burger flippers.
Geez, and you call Christians "tards" look in the mirror Mr Love Canal
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 28 2015,4:46 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 28 2015,4:49 pm
Still my favorite
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 29 2015,5:47 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 28 2015,8:10 am)
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With OSHA and numerous other gov agencies unions are a thing of the past, get over it.
You really don’t have a grasp on exactly what your chosen Party is all about do you! The whole Anti-Government campaign being waged by the Republican Party isn’t about protecting workers rights, rather to eliminate, deregulate, defund, to quote Grover Norquist the right-wing anti-government, anti-tax guru, “my goal is to cut government down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub”.
When the Republicans say we must reduce government, curtail business regulation, and unleash the free market, what do you think these guys are talking about?
Righterwingers are calling for a return to the laissez-faire days of the 1920s, when businesses and financial institutions were largely unregulated.
It was FDR’s New Deal legislation that saved US from the Republican laissez-faire Government collapse, Republicans want New Deal legislation gone, this is some of the very legislation that protects workers.
I asked you once with only insult as a response, I’ll ask again, why do you think FDR was elected to FOUR terms as the President of the United States?
Yes, the rightwing called FDR a Socialist, a Communist just like they’re trying to smear Bernie Sanders, because Bernie Sanders is aligned with FDR’s basic policy, he’s a Peoples President not a corporate shill
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 29 2015,7:19 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 28 2015,4:42 pm)
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Ok, so I am one of the "tards" that believes in God.
Geez, and you call Christians "tards" look in the mirror Mr Love Canal
Geez, and you call Christians "tards" look in the mirror Mr Love Canal
If we adopted your Jewish based religion’s tenet, an eye for an eye, we’d all be blind..
Major religions basically share the same philosophy, that is love, compassion and forgiveness! I’ve yet to see you display any compassion for your fellow man, compassion without dogmatism, without complicated philosophy, just understanding that others are human, respecting their rights and human dignity.
Your religion's tenets, as well as that of all these phony “talk to GOD Republican candidates” is more along the line of ignorance, selfishness and greed.
Sanders on the other hand is preaching true altruism...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 29 2015,7:38 am
(Expatriate @ Nov. 29 2015,5:47 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Nov. 28 2015,8:10 am)
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With OSHA and numerous other gov agencies unions are a thing of the past, get over it.
You really don’t have a grasp on exactly what your chosen Party is all about do you! The whole Anti-Government campaign being waged by the Republican Party isn’t about protecting workers rights, rather to eliminate, deregulate, defund, to quote Grover Norquist the right-wing anti-government, anti-tax guru, “my goal is to cut government down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub”.
When the Republicans say we must reduce government, curtail business regulation, and unleash the free market, what do you think these guys are talking about?
Righterwingers are calling for a return to the laissez-faire days of the 1920s, when businesses and financial institutions were largely unregulated.
It was FDR’s New Deal legislation that saved US from the Republican laissez-faire Government collapse, Republicans want New Deal legislation gone, this is some of the very legislation that protects workers.
I asked you once with only insult as a response, I’ll ask again, why do you think FDR was elected to FOUR terms as the President of the United States?
Yes, the rightwing called FDR a Socialist, a Communist just like they’re trying to smear Bernie Sanders, because Bernie Sanders is aligned with FDR’s basic policy, he’s a Peoples President not a corporate shill
My chosen party? Only because the other choice (and really, there's not much difference) sucks big time. The democrat party is the party of micro management, cradle to grave and they are the least qualified to do so because their leaders usually have little to zero experience in business, their followers, indoctrinated buffoons. Rights of the workers? Are you f$&king kidding me? How about the right to work without being robbed of wages for the higher up Union slime to promote their agenda (please don't spew the "the worker can designate... It's bullsh!t and you know it)
Norquist is right, our gov should be small, small enough to change if need be. Twits like you have no idea what it takes to run a business, I doubt you could even run a lemonade stand. Why do you think companies move factories out of the country, wages yes but transportation is a major cost factor and will eat up a lot of those gains. Taxes, taxes are the main reason. Looks like we're going to lose another corperation to immersion with Pfizer buying an Irish company. What are you going to do, tell them they have to stay
FDR's folly was massaged and tweaked by liberal historians to indoctrinate feeble minds like yours
I will find it hilarious when Bullsh!t loses to stroke lady and you start looking for a way to defend her. Her corperate backers are embarrassingly large.
I look forward to this.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 30 2015,6:39 am
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 29 2015,7:38 am)
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Taxes, taxes are the main reason. Looks like we're going to lose another corperation to immersion with Pfizer buying an Irish company. What are you going to do, tell them they have to stay
FDR's folly was massaged and tweaked by liberal historians to indoctrinate feeble minds like yours
FDR's folly was massaged and tweaked by liberal historians to indoctrinate feeble minds like yours
“I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em” the only thing I can call this is Corporate Malfeasance, what a true betrayal of our country.
The United States is the only industrialized nation that hasn’t put the brakes on what these corporate criminals charge for
their pharmaceuticals, yet they refuse to pay tax, not like they paid tax anyway, the unpatriotic malfeasants.
The Government isn’t without a big stick here, The VA, Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare for retired military, and the active
military are big consumers of pharmaceuticals, the government should immediately take Pfizer off their vendor list.
They want to screw with US, screw them right back...
The ACA (Obamacare to you tards) is privately controlled by insurance companies, these insurers are also sick of
being gouged by the pharmaceutical manufactures, they’d probably follow the government’s lead.
Rumors of this alone would cause Pfizer’s profit and stock prices to tumble, Carl Icahn has call Pfizer's move a Tax dodge, when the stock prices fall you can count on a takeover bid, he’d look like a hero if he took control.
Last, but not least, if Pfizer is no longer a US corporation, it opens a legal issue as to the validity of their US patents, the
government could declare those patents invalid, opening the doors to Generic Pharmaceutical Manufactures to reproduce
Pfizer's overpriced drugs.
If there’s even a whisper of bipartisan cooperation in congress to rein in these unpatriotic corporate malfeasants the problem
would be over tomorrow, unfortunately only the Democrats have the bravado to take on such a task, the laissez-faire Republicans are merely the political-wing of the unpatriotic corporate malfeasants.
I know it's difficult to respond to every question or statement, but I've asked you twice with no real response, I’ll ask again, why do you think FDR was elected to FOUR terms as the President of the United States if he was this terrible President as you claim?
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2015,8:31 am
^^ Call em as you see them? You're to fricken' blind you'd qualify for a seeing eye dog. I'm done with this thread, it's like talking to a post.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 30 2015,9:15 am
Yeah sure, you have no brain of your own, so all you can manage is trolling insults, and you're not even smart enough to do that properly.Put your tail between your legs and run tard, you've got nothin' idjit...
another one down...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2015,11:27 am
^^ the post speaks
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 30 2015,1:46 pm
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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2015,6:38 pm
^^ yep, I agree, let's hire a much union labor as China does to expand our infrastructure.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 01 2015,6:06 am
I'm glad to see you agree, yeah, we should pay them .50¢ an hour..I'm sure you've heard about the 2.6 million dollar study to help truckers lose weight, seems like a total waste of tax dollars, should be a personal responsibility issue.
I heard that you'll soon have to pass a body mass index (BMI) as part of your CDL renewal, is that true? if so there won't be anybody left to drive trucks!
Seems the number of you guys flying down the road with an 80,000 pound load and having a health related issue that can be directly related to obesity has an economic impact as well as tragic result on those who through no fault of their own are involved in these accidents..
What's your opinion? Do we just fire the fat boys?
On one hand I see this as a personal responsibly issue and a waste of tax dollars, but the cost of one of these accidents can exceed the cost of the whole program.
This wasn't a cut on you, just wanted a trucker's veiw...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2015,7:11 am
^^ yep, personal responsibility, I have no worries BMI, neck size( sleep apnea) and just think, it's an industry wide fact that there is a 250k plus shortage now, think how expensive transportation going to be a few years down the road.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2015,7:28 am
Oops, almost forgot, as of 7/1/15 anyone pro driver renewing his license has to provide a birth certificate or a passportThe immigrant drivers are dropping like flys.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 02 2015,12:46 pm
Here we go again, the Republican's are once again trying to repeal/defund Obamacare, a total waste of Congressional time and the taxpayer's dollars..how much time and money have these morons wasted uselessly tying up our government! Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2015,5:03 am
^^< http://www.forbes.com/sites...hiltzik >
< http://jpupdates.com/2015...eo-says >
< http://www.fool.com/investi...he.aspx >
Yep, it won't be long and we'll have a healthcare system every bit as good as Canada's
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 03 2015,5:39 am
Forbes link goes to a blank page..your Jewish link works, so I get the drift..
The whole point of my post was to show the futility in what the Republican's have been doing, continually tying up congress with meaningless nonsense. It's not going anywhere, they're just wasting time and money.
There's only so many times Republicans can display this type of childish bologna before it boomerangs, what are we in the hundreds of attempts now? They don't have the votes to override a Presidential veto, so they're wasting time and taxpayer money!
Congress has the lowest ratings they've ever had, soon they'll be in the negatives for approval ratings...
Bernie wants Obamacare gone, but you don't see him introducing legislation undermine current people before he implements a new system, where every citizen has the right to healthcare.
Where's the compassion from these so called Christian politicians for the citizens they supposedly represent?
and what's this nut think he's doing, this psycho is true embarrassment...v
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2015,5:44 am
^^well at least he's reading at a level you can comprehend.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2015,10:44 pm
< http://youtu.be/7qrK-MBzvzE >
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 05 2015,9:02 am
(Expatriate @ Dec. 03 2015,5:39 am)
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and what's this nut think he's doing, this psycho is true embarrassment...v
You do realize he was mocking Pelosi's (in)famous statement "But we have to pass this bill so you can find out what's in it..." In Cruz's story, Sam-I-Am didn't like Obamacare even after trying it.
So tell us. Which is more psychotic and damaging to this country? Passing Obamacare or a Senator reading Green Eggs and Ham on the Senate floor to make a point?
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 06 2015,6:52 am
Jeb Bush, tax credits for purchasing catastrophic health insurance and would allow higher contribution limits on health savings accounts for out-of-pocket expensesCruz, is pushing the Health Care Choice Act, his bill
Carson, is pushing health savings accounts and some type of plan where the Government contributes $2,000 toward insurance..
Fiorina, is touting some type of catastrophic care requirement
Paul, seems to say free market, it’ll take care of itself
Kasich, is talking a health care system that would be market driven, that would begin to shift us to quality-based health care rather than quantity-based health care.
Rubio, was a sponsor on Cruz’s Health Care Choice Act , According to his official website, "We should propose common sense, free-market ideas to make health care more accessible and affordable. Senator Rubio will focus on three goals: repealing and replacing Obamacare, allowing individuals to control their own health care choices, and returning control of health policy to the states
Trump, seems to touting universal healthcare or DEFCON 1 which ever comes first...
There are other Republican proposals out there, but the only unifying position they have is the repeal of ACA (Obamamacare) deregulation and more competition (translation-bend over) right back to the same old same!
the republicans seem to be particularly against Title 1 of the ACA, what’s that do for US, and why should we care?
it gave US clinical preventive medicine without cost sharing – republicans want this gone, why?
It required heath insurance policies to be comprehensive-not the Swiss Cheese full of holes policy-republicans want this gone, why?
It gave US the minimum loss ratio, what this did was set a limit on how our premiums are spent, a ratio proportion as to administrative to care-republicans want this gone, why?
It gave US a review on premium increases- republicans want this gone, why?
It gave US the elimination of coverage limits, if you hit the limit on your policy you were done-republicans want this gone, why?
it gave US limits on premiums as to age and gender-republicans want this gone, why?
it gave US limits on cost sharing, as to deductibles and coinsurance-republicans want this gone, why?
it gave US the right to keep our children on our policy to the age of 26-republicans want this gone, why?
it gave US the right to participate in clinical trials and maintain coverage-republicans want this gone, why?
It gave US the right to keep insurance, companies couldn't drop your insurance coverage when a person gets sick, and couldn't price you off by raising premiums-republicans want this gone, why?
It gave US the right to purchase insurance with a preexisting medical condition- republicans want this gone, why?
to be fair not every republican plans calls for the complete elimination of preexisting medical condition, but most do,
the two I found that didn’t weakened the rule extending the time before coverage to 12 and 18 months respectively...
health savings accounts, I’m not against these, but you have to be careful choosing one or like anything else in the free-market system you’ll get hosed..
health savings account should be part of a strategy for your healthcare but it’s not replacement for insurance.
My healthcare savings account, which was accumulated during my working years today pays my Medicare Part B & D premium or any other
medical related expense I’m may encounter. mine was setup by the IBEW with pretax dollars, in mutual fund investments..
there’s a lot of junk plans out there, insurance companies, banks so study hard if you take this option...
Bernie Sanders is pushing Medicare for all..
In the last few years I’ve spent a good deal time studying Insurance, particularly Medicare as it would have a direct effect on my remaining years,
All I can say, you have choices in Medicare, you pick the plan, so it takes a bit of research, Medicare itself is an efficient operation, you’ll have choice
as to supplement, these are private insurance companies that pay what Medicare doesn’t on part B and part D..you also have the choice to breakaway
from Medicare to what’s called an Advantage Plan, it’s an all insurance company plan operating under the Medicare system..
My opinion here, you can go back to the same old same with the republicans or you can join me give Sanders your support
we’ll all be on a one payer system that will work for all of US not just a lucky few...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2015,7:43 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 06 2015,8:00 am
^^ all you seem to be capable of is trolling Mr. Sponge Bob, why don't you attempt to answer some of the questions in the previous post! idgit... As to your free meme, how much are you paying in premiums now? Would you like to see those costs reduced as they will be in a efficiently run one payer system? It's far past time we as a civilized Nation stop profiting off someone's misfortune!
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2015,8:27 am
^^well that's just the thing, how do you suppose to pay for this, print more money? You can raise taxes on the rich (just what do you consider rich?) you could confiscate all the wealth of the top 1% and you wouldn't even come close. Raise taxes on the middle class (that's who pay most of the load in this country) but they're taxed to the hilt now.I would prefer to go back to what I was doing, my wife's employer provides a nice plan (and I'm fully expecting to pay a "Cadillac" tax this coming year. And before you bawl "not everybody gets that advantage" I paid my own insurance out of pocket for years. And before you cry " not everybody can afford that" well...
Life's tough buttercup.
I refuse to waste any more moments of my life watching BS vids
Quit being a dipsh!t.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 06 2015,9:39 am
How did healthcare go to sh!t so quickly? In 2001, I paid in about $100 a month on a very good plan that covered the whole family. Ten years later I'm paying three times that for some lousy $2.500 deductible piece of crap. And the Unaffordable Healthcare Act did almost nothing to assuage this.And it's not like Mayo (a so-called non-profit) isn't raking it in. They can still afford to munch up whole blocks of property. With what we're being gouged, we shouldn't have to pay in one more nickel, and a free month of ICU shouldn't be out of the question, when necessary.
Greed is the illness, here.
Posted by stardust17 on Dec. 06 2015,10:39 pm
We're paying for healthcare system upgrades that most of us will never use, we're paying for terminal patients who think it's a necessity to live every last second possible, we're paying for physician mansions and vacations, we're paying for a healthcare system riddle with holes and ripe for fraud. Every day care is no better, especially in AL. Often when I go for an annual physical the physician assistants rattle off a litany of blood tests, immunization updates, etc---all billed to insurance, most of which I turn down. Clinics have found a way to stay in business by alarming and then pandering to a fearful health conscious public. People are selling their houses, ransacking their retirements so they are able to spend years in nursing homes that gulp up any wealth left.
Total disgrace of all involved.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 07 2015,5:35 am
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We're paying for healthcare system upgrades that most of us will never use, we're paying for terminal patients who think it's a necessity to live every last second possible, we're paying for physician mansions and vacations, we're paying for a healthcare system riddle with holes and ripe for fraud.
Every day care is no better, especially in AL. Often when I go for an annual physical the physician assistants rattle off a litany of blood tests, immunization updates, etc---all billed to insurance, most of which I turn down. Clinics have found a way to stay in business by alarming and then pandering to a fearful health conscious public. People are selling their houses, ransacking their retirements so they are able to spend years in nursing homes that gulp up any wealth left.
Total disgrace of all involved.
Every day care is no better, especially in AL. Often when I go for an annual physical the physician assistants rattle off a litany of blood tests, immunization updates, etc---all billed to insurance, most of which I turn down. Clinics have found a way to stay in business by alarming and then pandering to a fearful health conscious public. People are selling their houses, ransacking their retirements so they are able to spend years in nursing homes that gulp up any wealth left.
Total disgrace of all involved.
One, but not the only reason I returned to Albert Lea was access to Mayo, when you reach retirement age you'll find your private (Part B Part D) insurance supplement operates much like the insurance you have now, a provider network, go outside that network you'll pay more. Consider yourself fortunate to be in the Mayo network.
As for terminal patients, I've long been an advocate of the right to die with dignity.
As for the Medical establishment, for the most part Doctors aren't going aggressively treat something like cancer in a 80 or 90 year old, you may get some adjuvant treatment for comfort but you'll be sent home or if you can't care for yourself the Nursing Home, Some of these folks can linger for years on end. I consider this the equivalent of society sanctioned torture, when my quality of life is gone I can only hope I'm too...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 07 2015,10:57 am
I'm just not into starting another subject and this thread seems to be the place to post about absolute sillyness and nut jobs. Seems the NYT wants to take away everyone's guns. Now I know that there are those on here that think that no one is after us law abiding folks guns but here it is in black and white.
< http://www.breitbart.com/big-jou...nt-page >
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 08 2015,5:58 am
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^^well that's just the thing, how do you suppose to pay for this, print more money? You can raise taxes on the rich (just what do you consider rich?) you could confiscate all the wealth of the top 1% and you wouldn't even come close. Raise taxes on the middle class (that's who pay most of the load in this country) but they're taxed to the hilt now.
I would prefer to go back to what I was doing, my wife's employer provides a nice plan (and I'm fully expecting to pay a "Cadillac" tax this coming year. And before you bawl "not everybody gets that advantage" I paid my own insurance out of pocket for years. And before you cry " not everybody can afford that" well...
I would prefer to go back to what I was doing, my wife's employer provides a nice plan (and I'm fully expecting to pay a "Cadillac" tax this coming year. And before you bawl "not everybody gets that advantage" I paid my own insurance out of pocket for years. And before you cry " not everybody can afford that" well...
You'd have to pay a premium just like you do now, that's where the money would come from. A unified one payer system would give US a national healthcare system.
You seem to be under the misconception that we aren't already paying for medical care of those that can't or don't have insurance.
The following example is true to point:
Male, mid 50's, has job with no insurance, owns house, car.
The guy has a heart attack that triggers a stroke, he's transferred to Abbott does four weeks intensive care, does couple more weeks at the Hospital, transferred to intensive care rehab unit for two months.
Last I talked to him he felt fortunate he wasn't as parallelized as many of the folks he'd met during his ordeal.
The bill for this was north of $350,000 so far,noway he can pay..
Sure there's some money these hospitals have for charity care, the government will move in and help once he meets income guidelines, but when you multiply this guy's misfortune by the countless millions those numbers reflect on our medical bills and taxes.
The worst of this, Metabolic Syndrome symptoms are easily detectable long before any adverse event, a rudimentary physical could have prevented this costly hospitalization.
Looking at the problem from a dollars and cents point or should I say sense, we're money ahead if everyone is insured..
That's one of many reasons I back Sanders...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2015,6:44 am
^^oh joy, single payer like Canada
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 08 2015,7:01 am
S.122 - Safe and Affordable Drugs from Canada Act of 2015< https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/122 >
Normally I'm hammering on Republicans because they don't represent the American Peoples best interests, But occasionally you'll find one trying to do the right thing..John McCain introduced this bill last January, of course it went nowhere, tied up by his fellow Republican's...
If the Canadian system is so inefficient why is it their drug prices are so much cheaper for the same name drug available here in the States...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2015,8:03 am
Why do Canadians come here for medical care?
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 08 2015,8:24 am
The USA is ranked 37th in the world yet has the most expensive healthcare system, I doubt you'll find the average Canadians flocking here for overpriced medical care.Canada is rated 30th, we need to emulate the best not the 30th, we should hold the number 1 slot, that's Bernie's plan...
Not to say there's not some good medical care here..
Almost every Republican plan for medical care has an emphasis on catastrophic insurance, we need to address medical issues before they reach this costly point..
We need to get costs under control and at the same time have better outcomes, this isn't accomplished by waiting for someone to tip-over!
< http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...systems >
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2015,6:28 pm
Ok expat, you might actually enjoy this one.< http://youtu.be/V_yxGsWHx9o >
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 09 2015,5:41 am
PfffftYou had to post a doctored Democratic Debate in an attempt to get a laugh, I could post any unmolested Republican Debate and get more laughs...
Problem is, it's not very funny when you investigate what these Republican
Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 09 2015,9:27 am
Saw Bernie on Fallon last night. The one thing I am in agreement with him on, and have been saying it for years is the need for real campaign finance reform.I don't think businesses should be able to donate to any campaign whether directly or through a super PAC. That's just completely insane and is obvious vote buying.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 09 2015,6:31 pm
GIL quote:QUOTE
Saw Bernie on Fallon last night. The one thing I am in agreement with him on, and have been saying it for years is the need for real campaign finance reform.
I don't think businesses should be able to donate to any campaign whether directly or through a super PAC. That's just completely insane and is obvious vote buying.
I don't think businesses should be able to donate to any campaign whether directly or through a super PAC. That's just completely insane and is obvious vote buying.
Feel The Bern...
Posted by Marneman on Dec. 10 2015,2:47 am
While I can agree with some on this site that we need a universal health care system in this county, the plan implimented by Obama isn't working! About 24 years ago,when I was truck driving, I had to make a run to Canada. I wasn't able to get the trailer loaded before dark so the owner invited me to stay in his house for the night.(I was picking up a load of used tires the owner said it wouldn't be safe staying a the salvage yard due to bears!)When I got to his house his wife was getting ready for her OBGYN appointment at 12:30 AM! Needless to say they were not happy with the way their health care system was run at that time. It's possible things have changed since then. On one final medical note, why hasn't anyone reported about the siesmic disturbances coming from Rochester's cemetaries? I'm sure the Mayo brothers have got to be spinning in their graves when they see how their namesake hospital (and medical system) is being run today! It's become all about the money not the treatment!
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 10 2015,6:02 am
Actually Obamacare brought US many good things, protections we as consumers never had prior to it's implantation.Obamacare does emphasis preventive-care, a point where the medical system can intervene before we reach that costly health adverse event.
Obamacare has never been fully implemented, it's been resisted and villainized by Republicans at every level of government and the right-wing propaganda machine went into full swing talking about it's failures..
You don't eliminate heath conditions or change the failures of our past system overnight, we're going to deal with some sick folks, some seriously ill do to lack of insurance, some because, one thing we all share sooner or later we all have heath problems.
Healthcare shouldn't be a partisan issue..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 10 2015,7:39 am
^^Wow, a twofer
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 10 2015,7:56 am
^Put up or shut up, you got nothin' you troll idgit...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 10 2015,8:10 am
So buster care is supposed to make healthcare cheaper? My preimiums went up this year and will probably go up more this next year, as I've said I fully expect to pay a Cadillac tax too. You stated that we were all paying for the uninsured anyway, so now I'm paying more? And with higher deductibles? Tell me again mr retard how good we've got it
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 10 2015,1:15 pm
Could be healthcare costs are rising because users, medical companies, and providers are all fighting for tax dollars and services, driving up costs with phony costs and unnecessary medical expenses. Those ads on TV begging people to buy expensive medical devices and drugs, mostly paid by Medicare, etc. A society which plays the system, unaware the costs eventually come back to bite them. A snake eating itself.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 10 2015,1:19 pm
^^ ah, the old line"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 11 2015,5:23 am
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So buster care is supposed to make healthcare cheaper? My preimiums went up this year and will probably go up more this next year, as I've said I fully expect to pay a Cadillac tax too. You stated that we were all paying for the uninsured anyway, so now I'm paying more? And with higher deductibles?
Your complaint should be with your wife’s employer, this employer isn’t buying in the Market Place (Obamacare), they’re dealing with the insurance company, unusually in a long-term contract.
As to your increased insurance cost, I don’t totally fault the insurance companies, they took on a lot of sick people who weren't insured prior to the ACA. Most these people would have been turned down for preexisting conditions or the premium cost so prohibitively high they would have been priced out.
According to the Kaiser Foundation 9 out 10 in this country now have insurance, of those who don’t have insurance the reasons vary. 13% of these uninsured are undocumented immigrants, they don’t qualify for Obamacare or Medicaid. The ACA plan called for an expansion of Medicaid, many Republican held states have refused this expansion leaving a large number poor uninsured. Then we have a number of folks who for one reason or another haven't signed up for insurance. This is probably the group many of our right-wing fanatic forum members fall into, we’re not going to let any Liberal Left-Wing Muslim Black President tell us we need health insurance, that’s unconstitutional... so a big part of our uninsured is direct result of Republican Partisanship..
Bernie’s Plan, Medicare for all of US, Medicare didn’t go up, that can vary by individual choice in plan, but you have the right to change plans yearly!
Medicare carry's all the protections afforded you folks on Affordable Care Act under Title 1, Don’t Give Those Protections UP...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2015,6:00 am
No, costs went up because of ACA, carriers are dropping or going to drop out.My wife's employer or any employer for that matter doesn't have to provide ins.
And why am I responsible for anyone else's healthcare?
Once again..
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 11 2015,6:31 am
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And why am I responsible for anyone else's healthcare?
People get sick if they have insurance or not, if you have insurance those costs are managed through contracts with providers. Go to the hospital without insurance and compared that to a bill with an insurance covered bill.
Most who have a major health problems have avoided medical care because of a lack of insurance, had this individual had insurance years ago the major adverse health problem may have been avoided..these major events cost US big time, we're money ahead in the long-run by insuring everyone. (Preventive-care)
You not a kid, you've been around long enough to witnessed this yourself, like the example I posted about the heart attack/stroke, we'll pick up his bills he couldn't pay, he'll have to sell everything he's worked for, he's partially paralyzed so we'll feed, clothe, house, and care for him for the remainder of his life..this is costing US taxpayers more than if we'd have helped insure this individual.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2015,7:07 am
^^ have I stuttered? What part on self reliance and responsibility do you not understand. Sure there are the needy but it always seems that a lot of them are just plain lazy or stupid. The ACA IS NOTHING MORE THAN ANOTHER GOV POWER GRAB!
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 11 2015,11:49 am
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And why am I responsible for anyone else's healthcare?
People get sick if they have insurance or not, if you have insurance those costs are managed through contracts with providers. Go to the hospital without insurance and compared that to a bill with an insurance covered bill.
Most who have a major health problems have avoided medical care because of a lack of insurance, had this individual had insurance years ago the major adverse health problem may have been avoided..these major events cost US big time, we're money ahead in the long-run by insuring everyone. (Preventive-care)
You not a kid, you've been around long enough to witnessed this yourself, like the example I posted about the heart attack/stroke, we'll pick up his bills he couldn't pay, he'll have to sell everything he's worked for, he's partially paralyzed so we'll feed, clothe, house, and care for him for the remainder of his life..this is costing US taxpayers more than if we'd have helped insure this individual.
You're not looking at the issue through the correct lense. But that is upstanding given your lack education on the matter.
The guy in your example avoided healthcare because of the high cost of healthcare, not because of insurance. Healthcare costs have risen because of insurance just like college tuition has risen because of people's access to student loans. We put up with it because rarely does anyone ever see the true cost at the time you use the service whether your using a loan to pay tuition or handing over your insurance card to the receptionist at the clinic.
The healthcare industry is using the insurance industry just like the post secondary industry uses the student loan industry to raise prices.
That is why the ACA was a mistake. The law addressed the wrong problem which is why it is a failure. It never reduced the cost of your healthcare like it ( Obama) promised.
Nuff said.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 12 2015,7:05 am
I can agree with some of the cost part of your post CC, but I don't see the logic in the rest of your post, as more customers is what every business strives for, customers=revenue.As for not being able to afford heath insurance the ACA addressed this issue with premium assistance for those in that income category.
Some people resist anything even if it's good for them and good for US..
My attempt to justify the ACA in no way changes my opinion that Bernie Sanders Plan is best for US, Medicare for ALL..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 12 2015,8:51 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 13 2015,5:39 am
^When you meet that Christ of yours be sure to tell him of the evil Democratic Socialist who was concerned about the poor, sick, the hungry children, the plight of the working class, but you knew in your Christian Coalition heart that God’s real values were being preached by the NRA, the Military Industrial Complex and the Wall Street Money Changers. Tell him/her that at every opportunity you tried to expose this Democratic Socialist to ridicule and mockery for his crazy notion that all Citizens were entitled to healthcare and a fair days pay for a fair days work...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 13 2015,6:15 am
^^ I will And he'll probably commend me for putting up with idiots.
Like you
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 13 2015,10:23 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 13 2015,12:03 pm
^^qnd I hope that on Election Day 51% of the voters don't vote dem.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 13 2015,12:40 pm
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^^qnd I hope that on Election Day 51% of the voters don't vote dem.
Not going to happen. It will be Sanders or Clinton, so start wrapping your head around which alternative you dislike the least. No-one from the GOP Clown Car is going to be our next Commander in Chief.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 13 2015,1:41 pm
^^nope, handwriting's on the wall, no more progressive-socialist agenda. People are scared, people are sick and tired of a bullsh!t economy.
Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 14 2015,12:19 am
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^^ have I stuttered? What part on self reliance and responsibility do you not understand.
But your rhetoric always changes when it's the government services you receive. If you truly believe self-reliance is not paying for anyone else, why should we have to pay one day when you're needing long-term care? Why did the older generations have to pay when you got grants for college?
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So buster care is supposed to make healthcare cheaper? My preimiums went up this year and will probably go up more this next year
I wonder if the TEA party crowd remembers the headlines before '08. Or the poll numbers that showed the public desperately wanted the exact reforms that were outlined in the ACA. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself, skyrocketing premiums were common, often for no reason, except back then you'd get less coverage instead of more.
Keeping promises isn't easy, doing it while reducing the deficit is even harder. If it was a Republican they just would've added another entitlement program like Bush did (MediCare Part D) without a way to fund it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,12:51 am
^^ we gee, my parents were taxpayers, don't you think I deserved a couple hundred bucks a quarter? (And that's what it was, a couple hundred for two quarters) loans were repaid and I got a little with work study.Ah, headlines, those aren't manipulated.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 14 2015,7:11 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,9:02 am
^^ but if they're not going to make a profit they're not going to want to develope any new drugs dimwit.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 14 2015,9:34 am
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^^ but if they're not going to make a profit they're not going to want to develope any new drugs dimwit.
You really shouldn't use the word 'dimwit' in the same sentence where you misspell another word.
When Salk developed the first polio vaccine, he didn't make doodley-squat. Glad those selfless days are over.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,9:59 am
^^ mutha Teresa speaks
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 14 2015,11:50 am
Face it, these Big Pharma companies will NEVER develop a cancer cure. There's more money in treating it than curing it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,12:41 pm
^^so it's not happening fast enough for you? Don't get me wrong, I've watched family and friends die from cancer over the years and it's a terrible death but you actually think that drug companies are withholding a cure? And you question my intellect?
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 14 2015,1:00 pm
Not withholding, just not invested in finding one.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,1:12 pm
^^ ok, let me play the devils advocate, think of the fame, think of the meteoric rise in stock price, think of the price they could charge.Yes I know, profit is evil but let's just put it there for the time being.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 14 2015,2:12 pm
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^^ but if they're not going to make a profit they're not going to want to develope any new drugs dimwit.
When does that profit, and the CEO's compensation become obscene?
let's use Gilead's CEO compensation as an extreme example 192.8 million..
Gilead has several Specialty Drugs, these are very expensive drugs under patent that no other manufacture is allowed to reproduce as a generic.
Their latest drug is a Direct Acting Antiviral DAA.. Gilead didn't invent this drug, they bought out a smaller pharmaceutical company called Pharmasset, this company invented the drug but when Gilead got wind that Pharmasset had a winner they bought them out for an obscene amount of money. Gilead took this drug to market at 300% markup over what Pharmasset had planned to sell it for...unfortunately this case isn't the exception to the rule...
As for Clinical Trials and getting the FDA to okay the drugs a lot of tax-dollars go into this, as well as a lot of tax-dollars/tax-breaks go into researching new drugs
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2015,3:52 pm
^^there are truly winners and losers in life. Who's to say what"s obscene and what's not. The thing is that it's not your property or mine, the company or it's product is not an idea of yours or mine. Keep your grubby mitts off.You claim to be an atheist or agnostic take your pick. But the lack of spiritual guidance and the continued brow beating of religion in this country has consequences, and when someone has more than you,... Well, you reap what you sow.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 14 2015,4:51 pm
^Next time you bitch about the cost of your health insurance going up, maybe you'd like to send those nice folks at the pharmaceutical industry a thank you..It's extremely difficult for me to believe someone with your limited capacity for reason actually exists..
Liberal are you baiting me? this idgit can't be real, nobody's this stupid...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 15 2015,5:05 am
^^I bitch about the cost of health insurance because idiots like you think that people that actually work in this world should be forced to pay for deadbeats, criminal aliens and the chronic lazy in this world. Sure there are a small amount of the population that should be afforded the care of us all but there are tons more that take advantage of the system.I have thought the same of you being the same "plant" but I've always come to the conclusion that you're nothing more than a jackass, braying in the wind.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 15 2015,5:30 am
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The thing is that it's not your property or mine, the company or it's product is not an idea of yours or mine. Keep your grubby mitts off.
There’s no doubt profit motivates people to do good things, but when we talk profit for profit’s sake at the expense of the sick like we’re seeing in this example we have to question the morality of this situation..
The concept of intellectual property rights comes into question as company P is the true inventor yet company G seeing the opportunity gouge the heath insurance
premium-payer as well as the taxpayer while turning the sick into cannon fodder for what can only be described as excessive greed isn’t good for capitalism, healthcare isn’t a free market decision where the consumer can just say that’s too much and just walk away..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 15 2015,5:40 am
^^ like it or not this is the way a capitalistic society works, this is why we have the miracle drugs and procedures we have, because people are motivated, mostly by profit, some by charity but that doesn't keep the lights on. I was holding my breathe we you started in with intellectual property thinking you were going to blather on that/ it actually property of the"collective" but you didn't't. Are you??
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 15 2015,5:56 am
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I was holding my breathe we you started in with intellectual property thinking you were going to blather on that/ it actually property of the"collective" but you didn't't. Are you??
Intellectual property rights or patent on this drug has been challenged in several countries, as it should be as this was a borderline case of white collar crime..profiteering for the sake of greed...
The Indian courts have already ruled this patent null and void and are producing a generic version, problem is we free marketer's can't import this drug at a reasonable price, yet at the same time our Pharmaceutical manufactures import most of our drugs from countries like India and China, but it's illegal for US as individuals!
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 15 2015,6:03 am
^^Then write to Buster and have him issue an EO
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 15 2015,7:09 am
^We have a champion in our corner, his name is Sen. Bernie Sanders!The VA estimates, 234,000 Veterans have the Hepatitis C Virus (HCV) and receive care within Veterans Affairs (VA) Heath Care System. The VA knows about approximately 174,000 of these Veterans in their care...we can't afford to treat these Vets at the current cost...
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT.) has come up with a solution by calling for Secretary McDonald, to uphold the promise made to those that served by immediately declaring the emergency need and override the patents on the life-saving medications.
The VA budget has been under attack by Republican's, the VA can't afford to treat our Nations Veterans as promised.
Is it an unreasonable request that these Pharmaceutical Manufactures supply drugs to our Veterans at cost, it's far past time for these corporations to show some patriotism and help those who have defended US...rather than bleed the Taxpayer...
Stop the Insanity, Vote Bernie Sanders and take the Democrats in on his coattails...he is FDR reincarnate...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 15 2015,8:02 am
^^ FDR reincarnate?Internment camps ?
But for who?
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 15 2015,2:18 pm
(Expatriate @ Dec. 14 2015,4:51 pm)
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^Next time you bitch about the cost of your health insurance going up, maybe you'd like to send those nice folks at the pharmaceutical industry a thank you..
It's extremely difficult for me to believe someone with your limited capacity for reason actually exists..
Liberal are you baiting me? this idgit can't be real, nobody's this stupid...
It's extremely difficult for me to believe someone with your limited capacity for reason actually exists..
Liberal are you baiting me? this idgit can't be real, nobody's this stupid...
Speaking about limited capacity for reason... (and that isn't even a reference to your Jesus is a Democratic Socialist statement.)
It is impossible to control the cost of insurance without massive government subsidies when the costs for drugs and medical services are allowed to run unchecked.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 15 2015,2:29 pm
(Expatriate @ Dec. 14 2015,2:12 pm)
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When does that profit, and the CEO's compensation become obscene?
Yeah but that's none of your business though is it? There are a few homeless people in town that you could pickup and have stay at your house. I mean, after all..why should you get to live in one and they don't? So unfair.
The real problem is that everyone thinks they're a victim.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 15 2015,2:43 pm
(irisheyes @ Dec. 14 2015,12:19 am)
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I wonder if the TEA party crowd remembers the headlines before '08. Or the poll numbers that showed the public desperately wanted the exact reforms that were outlined in the ACA. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself, skyrocketing premiums were common, often for no reason, except back then you'd get less coverage instead of more.
The problem is that the pols convinced the public into believing that tinkering with health insurance would reduce the costs of health care. (two different things mind you) Insurance by definition is a means of transferring risk. What that had to do with reducing the costs of health care, I have no idea. The public was duped.
Show me how the ACA was designed to ever help reduce the actual costs of health care (as the name implies) such as cancer treatments, open heart surgery, dialysis, strep throat, broken arm, or an overnight stay in a hospital.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 15 2015,3:19 pm
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,2:29 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 14 2015,2:12 pm)
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When does that profit, and the CEO's compensation become obscene?
Yeah but that's none of your business though is it?
It's not baiting. Getting shafted by powerful interest groups is okay for them. Cuz they do it too. They prefer "giving the shaft" policies stay in place. After all it's legal to do so. It's "none of our business" to find solutions to inequities within corrupt voting rights, women's rights , slavery, child labor, etc. All those folks are self-proclaimed "victims", in their eyes. Becoming a pompous parasitic manager of wealth & power is their american dream, the wreckage of people's lives being acceptable collateral damage.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 15 2015,3:31 pm
(stardust14 @ Dec. 15 2015,3:19 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,2:29 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 14 2015,2:12 pm)
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When does that profit, and the CEO's compensation become obscene?
Yeah but that's none of your business though is it?
It's not baiting. Getting shafted by powerful interest groups is okay for them. Cuz they do it too. They prefer "giving the shaft" policies stay in place. After all it's legal to do so. It's "none of our business" to find solutions to inequities within corrupt voting rights, women's rights , slavery, child labor, etc. All those folks are self-proclaimed "victims", in their eyes. Becoming a pompous parasitic manager of wealth & power is their american dream, the wreckage of people's lives being acceptable collateral damage.
What does any of that blithering have to do with CEO compensation? "Giving the shaft" policies? WTF is that?
Child labor?
Slavery?
Women's rights?
What is happening today that would compare to those issues?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 15 2015,11:19 pm
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,3:31 pm)
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(stardust14 @ Dec. 15 2015,3:19 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,2:29 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 14 2015,2:12 pm)
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When does that profit, and the CEO's compensation become obscene?
Yeah but that's none of your business though is it?
It's not baiting. Getting shafted by powerful interest groups is okay for them. Cuz they do it too. They prefer "giving the shaft" policies stay in place. After all it's legal to do so. It's "none of our business" to find solutions to inequities within corrupt voting rights, women's rights , slavery, child labor, etc. All those folks are self-proclaimed "victims", in their eyes. Becoming a pompous parasitic manager of wealth & power is their american dream, the wreckage of people's lives being acceptable collateral damage.
What does any of that blithering have to do with CEO compensation? "Giving the shaft" policies? WTF is that?
Child labor?
Slavery?
Women's rights?
What is happening today that would compare to those issues?
Stardust just regurgitates sjw BS talking points from the kkkos, mediamenstruation, etc.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 16 2015,2:06 am
CEOs and many others in this country greatly profit from current child labor, slavery, other human rights abuses. If your lack of ethics fails to see the connection then so be it. It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair
As far as Trump contributing to this country: he does employ many people, and then cheats them out of their 401k retirement funds. His company is ranked 30/100 in this regard. Apparently he has hired low wage workers from Mexico; you know, all those "rapists and killers". Trump proving once again that you don't have to be poor to be white trash.
At least Trump is up front with his inflated ego, bigotry, selfish lifestyle. He is an echo of a desperate Silent Majority hoping one day to stagger to its feet and declare itself relevant. Too proud to protest they resign themselves to dark corners clutching Bibles and weapons. Sucking up to Wallstreet only left them more confused, many who think they are just momentarily embarrassed millionaires. CEOs have their vanishing american dream stashed in overseas bank accounts. Poor babies.
PS Nice to see you have local foul-mouth trash watching your back. Makes sense.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 16 2015,3:21 am
(stardust14 @ Dec. 16 2015,2:06 am)
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At least Trump is up front with his inflated ego, bigotry, selfish lifestyle. He is an echo of a desperate Silent Majority hoping one day to stagger to its feet and declare itself relevant. Too proud to protest they resign themselves to dark corners clutching Bibles and weapons. Sucking up to Wallstreet only left them more confused, many who think they are just momentarily embarrassed millionaires. CEOs have their vanishing american dream stashed in overseas bank accounts. Poor babies.
PS Nice to see you have local foul-mouth trash watching your back. Makes sense.
PS Nice to see you have local foul-mouth trash watching your back. Makes sense.
He's not local, just another former resident. Not enough Klan chapters up here.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 16 2015,4:52 am
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,2:18 pm)
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It is impossible to control the cost of insurance without massive government subsidies when the costs for drugs and medical services are allowed to run unchecked.
Your insurance company makes a contract with providers, it’s able to negotiate rates for procedures and services. That’s how you end up with a network of preferred
providers, go outside the network you’ll pay much more because your insurance company has no contract with this provider. This creates some competition but not enough. (we have a problem here)
Your insurance company attempts to do the same thing with the prescription part of your medical coverage, the insurance company has what’s called a formulary this is a comprehensive drug list, the insurance isn’t required to carry every drug but they have to list some drug that treats every disease..we run into problems with things like Specialty drugs, these drugs are new, in some but not all cases, under patent and may be one of a kind with no viable substitute, these drugs are important lifesaving medications...but without any real price control mechanism...(we have a problem here)
just want to include here that if you and your doctor think you need a drug and it’s not on your formulary you have the right to petition your insurance company, if they see the logic in this request they’ll grant you access to said medication.
In a normal market driven system a competitor would create a similar product without infringing on the patent rights, the insurance company would pit the two manufactures products against each other thus lowering the price.. Because I started with the Gilead example, because of the CEO’s excessive compensation, I’ll return to this company and their $1000.00 a pill drug, well they have competitors, Abbvie another drug manufacture came out with a drug that preforms almost as well as Gilead. Abbvie is given fast track by the Government to clinical trials to get their drug on the market creating competition. When the FDA approves Abbvie’s drug they see all the money Gilead is pulling in they set their price at the same outrageous price, thus we have no price competition...eventually we’ll see more competition, but how many years/decades can we pay this type money before it destroys our healthcare system...(we have a problem here)
Every Industrialized Country in the world negotiates these issues and prices as a unit, there’s strength in solidarity, here in the States we negotiate piece meal, the insurance companies do this individually, their only strength the number of members. (we have a problem here)
We should move to Bernie Sanders Plan, Medicare for ALL of US, we’d negotiate with 322,267,564 citizens not a few million members as we do now...
For me this is a double edge sword, as I’m invested in mutual funds that hold these same companies, so I profit at someone’s health problems, morally I find this questionable, I'd give up my profit if you’d listen and live the words of your Prophet...
You'll hear the Democrats bring light to this subject, the only thing you'll hear from the Corporate Political Wing (Republicans) is war, war, war and more war... these people do not learn and they do not represent our nations best interest!
McCain tried to do the right thing, he's now chastised by his own party as a RINO...
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 16 2015,9:17 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 16 2015,3:21 am)
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(stardust14 @ Dec. 16 2015,2:06 am)
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At least Trump is up front with his inflated ego, bigotry, selfish lifestyle. He is an echo of a desperate Silent Majority hoping one day to stagger to its feet and declare itself relevant. Too proud to protest they resign themselves to dark corners clutching Bibles and weapons. Sucking up to Wallstreet only left them more confused, many who think they are just momentarily embarrassed millionaires. CEOs have their vanishing american dream stashed in overseas bank accounts. Poor babies.
PS Nice to see you have local foul-mouth trash watching your back. Makes sense.
PS Nice to see you have local foul-mouth trash watching your back. Makes sense.
He's not local, just another former resident. Not enough Klan chapters up here.
Thanks for the info. My bad.
The ugly hand gesture emoticon and frothing perverse language response can be expected soon.
Hope these folks are at least getting paid minimum wage to snarl and growl.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 17 2015,5:30 am
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 17 2015,7:37 am
Unable to compete in the discussion at hand our Right-Wingers conveniently disappear...with the exception of the troll who attempts to change the subject by showing US he now identifies with Donald Trump...Trump has called for shutting down parts of the internet, this is the equivalent of the Patriot Act on steroids. The original Act called for monitoring, recording/storing, while I felt intruded on if it was necessary evil I guess it didn't matter if they read my email, looked at my library card or listened to my phone.
I consider what Trump is proposing a dangerous form of information control..Does our forum go next?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 17 2015,8:19 am
^^ As to who I endorse for pres? Trump? Why not, there are better but there's a long time till the convention, he is though a much better choice than a nutjob socialist that thinks we can tax ourselves to prosperity. Stroke lady also thinks we should raise taxes. Hell, why doesn't the gov just take it all and get it over with. Then we can just go to a black market economy.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 17 2015,9:20 am
Ouch. Feel this burn...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 17 2015,11:13 am
Yeah, pretty burnt. < https://medium.com/@Cathar...iwx2xfx >
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 18 2015,12:32 am
The Colonel knows. I feel for our military if any backseat driver pansypublican candidates become pres. Still no mention of the Hate Speech Debate the other night???
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 18 2015,1:20 am
"He (Trump) is an outstanding and talented personality," .... the absolute leader of the presidential race." Vladimir Putin
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2015,4:56 am
Sounds like Putin has a bit more respect for Trump than the little boy that's in office now Yep, stroke lady's war votes are above reproach
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2015,4:58 am
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 18 2015,5:24 am
Something more substantial, we're talking generic drugs here, drugs that are no-longer under patent and competition should lower price, yet prices are increasing at an alarming rate.I don't take any medications, a combination of good genes and lifestyle choice, but I do pay health insurance premiums and taxes and don't like being ripped off greedy corporations or their political lackeys, the Republican Party...
Posted by grassman on Dec. 18 2015,6:21 am
Let's see. What was his response to jacking up the price on drugs? "I believe in capitalism." Kind of says what it has turned into eh?The reviled poster boy of drug price hikes perpetuated a Ponzi scheme on investors in hedge funds and a pharmaceutical company he founded and previously led, federal prosecutors and regulators alleged Thursday.
Martin Shkreli, a pharmaceutical industry entrepreneur previously criticized for raising the price of life-saving drugs such as those used to fight HIV and cancer, was arrested early Thursday in New York City and charged on criminal and civil charges of securities fraud.
Prosecutors charged Shkreli with two counts of conspiracy to commit securities fraud, three counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and two counts of securities fraud. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed parallel civil charges. He potentially faces a maximum 20-year prison term if convicted on the top charge.
Investigators alleged that Shkreli, 32, siphoned millions of dollars from Retrophin to repay investors he'd defrauded in two defunct hedge funds that focused on health care investments: MSMB Capital and MSMB Healthcare. He was also accused of using company funds to settle
personal disputes with investors, unjustly enriching himself with company funds and forming false ties to consultants.
For example, Shkreli told one investor on Dec. 2, 2010, that his hedge fund held $35 million assets, even though it had only had $700, the criminal indictment alleged.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 18 2015,6:32 am
^We shouldn't have to pay to keep this Republican slim in prison for 20 years, he should be immediately injected with the HIV virus and put on a Republican health insurance policy.. one of those don't get sick or you're dead policies all the Republican candidates are hawking...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2015,6:46 am
(Expatriate @ Dec. 18 2015,6:32 am)
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^We shouldn't have to pay to keep this Republican slim in prison for 20 years, he should be immediately inject with the HIV virus and put on a Republican health insurance policy.. one of those don't get sick or you're dead policies all the Republican candidates are hawking...
Or he could take over your shift at the rest area.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 18 2015,7:30 am
^Once again you show your intelligence, unable to defend this capitalist entrepreneur you turn to insult and trolling...Your Republican Party Platform is calling for less Government Regulation, they want annoyances like the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) defunded, declawed so the Martin Shkrelis of the world who finance the corporate political wing (the Republican Party) can rape and pillage US at will, without any little legal snags hindering them..
Only you would post such sick trash..I have to question the current conceal and carry laws in Minnesota, someone of your limited judgement should not be allowed such a permit...
Obviously we should include a basic intelligence test, as well as psychological/emotional testing before any such permit is issued..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2015,9:11 am
^^ several things1. Did I defend him? Nope
2. Am I a republican? Nope, at this time it's just a far better option.
3. Posting such trash? I guess you're trolled again, especially considering your anger.
4. If there was a IQ test for CCW you wouldn't qualify for a pea shooter.
To some it up, you are one dumb SOB
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 18 2015,10:50 am
Tomorrow night's another democrat debate.Saturday night, not prime time during the week.
Kinda says something about them doesn't it.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 18 2015,12:43 pm
Saturday Dec. 19th
Posted by Marneman on Dec. 19 2015,3:28 am
Part of the problem with the ACA(Obamacare) is it dosen't address the problem of medical cost in the system today. With hospitals, pharmacutical companies, and others in the medical fields putting profits over people it is only getting worse not better. Now that everyone is required to have insurance cost have gone up not down! Of course a major part of the problem stems from the capitol! In another thread someone attacked the republicans for taking money from big pharma, well thats only half the story. There are plenty of Democrats taking big pharma's money too, except a lot of them are hypocrites about it. While Republicans take their money and promise to stand up for them, a lot of the Democrats tell big pharma "Hey, I might have to talk bad about you in public, but I'll still back you and take your contributions. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge" As far as medical cost go I still back Theodore Roosevelts philosophy; "Its okay for a business to make profit, just not obscene profits at the cost to their fellow Americans." I still wonder why Rochester isn't suffering more earthquakes from the Mayo brothers spinning in their graves.On a related topic why were all the Republican debates scheduled for weeknight primetime with all the ensueing media coverage and disection, but the Democrat debates have been on Saturdays with little or no media coverage and almost no media followup? Could they be trying to hide something?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 19 2015,5:11 am
< http://www.cnn.com/2015...pension >Seems to me the DNC is a bit ashamed of Batsh!t
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 19 2015,12:07 pm
Bernie fends off attack by DNC. Restores his access to voter database. Apparently the DNC rummaged through Bernie's files. Now some Bernie supporters are receiving contribution emails from Hillary's campaign. Should come up in tonight's debate. Or not, considering media bias.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 19 2015,12:25 pm
This is the work of DNC chair Debbie Brillopad hair, they don't want Batsh!t in the race so they schedule debates for times when no one watches.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 19 2015,1:24 pm
Lots of people watch Terry Bradshaw babble incoherently on Sundays. They'll watch this.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 19 2015,3:05 pm
Doubtful, Bradshaw has more content Piss poor numbers last time.
< http://www.politico.com/story...-215909 >
Of course I'll watch, I like train wrecks.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 19 2015,3:23 pm
You must have watched the 5th Republican Debate (DEFCON 1) with great enthusiasm if you like train wrecks..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 19 2015,3:41 pm
Nope, have to say I miss.ed that one, wonder I Batsh!t will once again be subservient to stroke lady or grow a set.
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 19 2015,10:11 pm
Good debate. No questions concerning climate change. Failure, ABC. Best debate so far. O'Malley overly animated but points for calling Trump a facist. No talk of atomic bombs and mass hysteria. Interesting how Trump might gain the most among the Fearmonger Party. Bernie had to be a bit conciliatory due to staff mistakes. Perfect when he reminded Hillary (whose husband was palsy-walsy with Greenspan, both of whom ignored warnings from SEC person, then canned her) who it was that helped plant the seeds for economic collapse.Jeez, no questions about Benghazi? Maybe because this dead end investigation cost taxpayers $4.7 million in lawyer fees, etc. Maybe because it was a story super-hyped by chinzy media outlets like ABC and FOX. And now the GOP House, the mealy mouthed media, and Breeze are all feasting on crow for Christmas.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 20 2015,1:24 am
ABC softball league.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 20 2015,7:20 am
Sanders opened the the divide from his foreign policy and that of Clinton..just based on this difference I call a win for Sanders..As for my fellow Democrats who fear Sanders can't beat Trump and intend to vote Hillary for the same old same..Sanders will smoke Trump in the General Election no matter the smear tactics of the R.N.C.,..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 20 2015,7:56 am
^^of course Batsh!t will He's what, 30+% behind stroke lady? I like how both of them were screaming "tax the rich" we've seen what happened with the current POTUS, businesses leave, the rich park their money offshore or won't repatriate it and the middle class gets caught holding the bag, all the time with a horsesh!t, anemic economy.
O'Malley screaming that terrorist buy their guns a gun shows, not one has, Batsh!t and stroke following suit. All three of them ripping on cops.
Some mighty fine folks you support there Love Canal, Batsh!t for now, when stroke lady takes the nomination you'll turn tale and have to eat some crow because she's supported by big wall street money. This is just too easy
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 21 2015,1:41 am
The embarrassment of Evangelical Huckabee, Mr. Family Values Santorum, and the other country club candidates to have their party base flocking to paganistic candidate Trump. In the end Bible thumping voters quickly trade Bibles for an egotistical thug who spent his years chasing women in night clubs while guys his age were dying in Vietnam. A Right Wing moral majority, we now find, is not so moral after all. Even in the heart of Evangelical Land (Iowa) they now worship Trump on the Lord's Day.Bush appears shell shocked by this revelation. Others seem little surprised, riding the hysteria wave. After losing this election the RNC must make a choice---which future candidate will better appeal to the growing facist voting base. I once had some faint hope for Evangelicals. No more.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 21 2015,6:32 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 21 2015,7:05 am
^^ fortunately I quit watching your Batsh!t videos quite awhile ago.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 21 2015,12:21 pm
(Expatriate @ Dec. 16 2015,4:52 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Dec. 15 2015,2:18 pm)
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It is impossible to control the cost of insurance without massive government subsidies when the costs for drugs and medical services are allowed to run unchecked.
Your insurance company makes a contract with providers, it’s able to negotiate rates for procedures and services. That’s how you end up with a network of preferred
providers, go outside the network you’ll pay much more because your insurance company has no contract with this provider. This creates some competition but not enough. (we have a problem here)
Your insurance company attempts to do the same thing with the prescription part of your medical coverage, the insurance company has what’s called a formulary this is a comprehensive drug list, the insurance isn’t required to carry every drug but they have to list some drug that treats every disease..we run into problems with things like Specialty drugs, these drugs are new, in some but not all cases, under patent and may be one of a kind with no viable substitute, these drugs are important lifesaving medications...but without any real price control mechanism...(we have a problem here)
just want to include here that if you and your doctor think you need a drug and it’s not on your formulary you have the right to petition your insurance company, if they see the logic in this request they’ll grant you access to said medication.
In a normal market driven system a competitor would create a similar product without infringing on the patent rights, the insurance company would pit the two manufactures products against each other thus lowering the price.. Because I started with the Gilead example, because of the CEO’s excessive compensation, I’ll return to this company and their $1000.00 a pill drug, well they have competitors, Abbvie another drug manufacture came out with a drug that preforms almost as well as Gilead. Abbvie is given fast track by the Government to clinical trials to get their drug on the market creating competition. When the FDA approves Abbvie’s drug they see all the money Gilead is pulling in they set their price at the same outrageous price, thus we have no price competition...eventually we’ll see more competition, but how many years/decades can we pay this type money before it destroys our healthcare system...(we have a problem here)
Every Industrialized Country in the world negotiates these issues and prices as a unit, there’s strength in solidarity, here in the States we negotiate piece meal, the insurance companies do this individually, their only strength the number of members. (we have a problem here)
We should move to Bernie Sanders Plan, Medicare for ALL of US, we’d negotiate with 322,267,564 citizens not a few million members as we do now...
For me this is a double edge sword, as I’m invested in mutual funds that hold these same companies, so I profit at someone’s health problems, morally I find this questionable, I'd give up my profit if you’d listen and live the words of your Prophet...
You'll hear the Democrats bring light to this subject, the only thing you'll hear from the Corporate Political Wing (Republicans) is war, war, war and more war... these people do not learn and they do not represent our nations best interest!
McCain tried to do the right thing, he's now chastised by his own party as a RINO...
Insurance companies have been trying to negotiate prices for years and in my opinion suck at it which is why we have seen huge increases in insurance premiums.
I will state this again. Obamacare does not account for the lack of competition in the drug and health care industries. A pill should cost the same regardless if the person has insurance or is paying cash. Charging one person a different price than another person for the same product is a form of discrimination, imo.
The fact is that a person paying cash at a medical facility has an entirely different price point for services than a person who has insurance. Usually the cost is much higher for the person with insurance. The out of pocket may be less but when you add the portion the insurance company pays on top of your out of pocket expenses, you will find the costs for care is much higher which then allows drug makers and medical facilities to take advantage of the massive pools of money these insurance money buckets hold from premiums paid by its policy holders into the plan.
That is the problem with Obamacare. It tried to address one leg of a three legged stool...with out fixing the other two you're going to end up on your ass. If you're going address all three then you need to start where the product is produced and sold.
Glad to know you participate in the benefits of free market capitalism through your 401(k). I bet Bernie would be ashamed of you if he knew.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 22 2015,9:20 am
@CC--Sen. Bernie Sanders is trying to pass legislation to PROHIBIT PAY FOR DELAY DEALS...The bill would prohibit anti-competitive arrangements between brand and generic drug makers where the brand
name drug manufacturers pays the generic manufacturer to delay bringing their generic alternative to market.
According to the FTC, these anticompetitive deals cost consumers and taxpayers at least $3.5 billion in higher drug costs every year.
In FY 2012, the FTC found that there were 40 potential pay-for-delay deals involving 31 branded products with combined U.S. sales of $8.3 billion.
DRUG PRICING AND COST TRANSPARENCY
The bill would require pharmaceutical companies to publicly report information that affects drug pricing, including the total costs incurred for research and development and clinical trials, as well as the portion of drug development expenses offset by tax credits or paid by federal grants. The legislation also requires drug companies to report not only the price information charged to federal payers, but also requires companies to submit prices, profits, and sale information in
other countries in which those products are sold.
Guess who’s standing in his way- the very people you support, Republicans...I know you don't believe me, and Rush Limbaughs not going to tell you...but just look at your increased premium, it'll tell you, you're supporting the wrong party...and you belittle the man that should be our next President...
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 22 2015,10:44 am
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 22 2015,11:45 am
(Expatriate @ Dec. 22 2015,9:20 am)
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@CC--Sen. Bernie Sanders is trying to pass legislation to PROHIBIT PAY FOR DELAY DEALS...
The bill would prohibit anti-competitive arrangements between brand and generic drug makers where the brand
name drug manufacturers pays the generic manufacturer to delay bringing their generic alternative to market.
According to the FTC, these anticompetitive deals cost consumers and taxpayers at least $3.5 billion in higher drug costs every year.
In FY 2012, the FTC found that there were 40 potential pay-for-delay deals involving 31 branded products with combined U.S. sales of $8.3 billion.
DRUG PRICING AND COST TRANSPARENCY
The bill would require pharmaceutical companies to publicly report information that affects drug pricing, including the total costs incurred for research and development and clinical trials, as well as the portion of drug development expenses offset by tax credits or paid by federal grants. The legislation also requires drug companies to report not only the price information charged to federal payers, but also requires companies to submit prices, profits, and sale information in
other countries in which those products are sold.
Guess who’s standing in his way- the very people you support, Republicans...I know you don't believe me, and Rush Limbaughs not going to tell you...but just look at your increased premium, it'll tell you, you're supporting the wrong party...and you belittle the man that should be our next President...
The bill would prohibit anti-competitive arrangements between brand and generic drug makers where the brand
name drug manufacturers pays the generic manufacturer to delay bringing their generic alternative to market.
According to the FTC, these anticompetitive deals cost consumers and taxpayers at least $3.5 billion in higher drug costs every year.
In FY 2012, the FTC found that there were 40 potential pay-for-delay deals involving 31 branded products with combined U.S. sales of $8.3 billion.
DRUG PRICING AND COST TRANSPARENCY
The bill would require pharmaceutical companies to publicly report information that affects drug pricing, including the total costs incurred for research and development and clinical trials, as well as the portion of drug development expenses offset by tax credits or paid by federal grants. The legislation also requires drug companies to report not only the price information charged to federal payers, but also requires companies to submit prices, profits, and sale information in
other countries in which those products are sold.
Guess who’s standing in his way- the very people you support, Republicans...I know you don't believe me, and Rush Limbaughs not going to tell you...but just look at your increased premium, it'll tell you, you're supporting the wrong party...and you belittle the man that should be our next President...
That's a slippery slope. How would Bernie help the companies making a significant investment in R&D protect their investment? These companies aren't doing it for free.
This is another example of ideology terms and phrases to sway public opinion. Liberals use terms like "anti-competitive arrangements" while conservatives use phrases like "protecting the investment of the company that created the product".
I am all about transparency as long as it is fair to the party putting their blood, sweat, and tears into a product that wouldn't otherwise exist without them.
My concern is that liberals will attempt to control the amount a company is allowed to profit. A socialist ideology I simply can't accept.
Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 22 2015,12:36 pm
I am only speaking in terms of health care when it comes to the following point. Health care is something we all need, and will need. QUOTE
My concern is that liberals will attempt to control the amount a company is allowed to profit. A socialist ideology I simply can't accept.
The free market libertarian in me wants to agree with you, but at what point is net profit so obscene that it hurts the consumer. I am all for a company recuperating costs associated with making a product, but there is a tipping point where it is gouging. I don't claim to know where that point is, nor how you could calculate it but we all know it happens.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 22 2015,1:29 pm
That, my friend, is the slippery slope I am referring too.Once you allow the government to determine what a company in a certain industry is allowed to keep as a net profit, I can't help but think of what else it could spread to if the wrong people are in charge. It would concern me that it would spread to other industries, then to small companies, then eventually to the individual.
Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 22 2015,2:17 pm
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 22 2015,1:29 pm)
QUOTE
That, my friend, is the slippery slope I am referring too.
Once you allow the government to determine what a company in a certain industry is allowed to keep as a net profit, I can't help but think of what else it could spread to if the wrong people are in charge. It would concern me that it would spread to other industries, then to small companies, then eventually to the individual.
Once you allow the government to determine what a company in a certain industry is allowed to keep as a net profit, I can't help but think of what else it could spread to if the wrong people are in charge. It would concern me that it would spread to other industries, then to small companies, then eventually to the individual.
I'm aware, that's why I limited my statement in agreement with expat just as it concerns to healthcare.
Healthcare is something we all will need. It's not like buying a car, or the latest iPhone, etc... We can live without those, they are not necessary to our being, so if Steve Jobs' company wants to charge $800 for a phone, I don't care, I can choose other options. When it comes to healthcare it's not that easy. If only one company can make a certain type of medicine or medical procedure,at what point is the cost of treatment become gouging. It is so difficult to say, but I'm afraid it's something we need to figure out.
Again, just for healthcare. I like you, would not want to see this spread throughout industry where gov't is now regulating pricing.
God knows we have enough gov't in out lives the way it is.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 22 2015,2:38 pm
That takes us back to affordability. If the average person can't afford the price of a drug, the company will be forced to lower its price. The problem today is with insurance and the student loan market today is that these drug/health care companies and institutions take advantage of these huge pools of money and can therefore demand a higher price.I completely understand the conundrum.
Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 22 2015,3:11 pm
Concur. One of the major downfalls of ACA is it did NOTHING to address the cost of healthcare, just how it's paid for, and now we are suffering the unintended consequences brought forth, only going to get worst IMO before it can go under a major overhaul/reshaping.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,4:19 pm
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 22 2015,1:29 pm)
QUOTE
That, my friend, is the slippery slope I am referring too.
Once you allow the government to determine what a company in a certain industry is allowed to keep as a net profit, I can't help but think of what else it could spread to if the wrong people are in charge. It would concern me that it would spread to other industries, then to small companies, then eventually to the individual.
Once you allow the government to determine what a company in a certain industry is allowed to keep as a net profit, I can't help but think of what else it could spread to if the wrong people are in charge. It would concern me that it would spread to other industries, then to small companies, then eventually to the individual.
Hence the tax code of the 50's and 60's, a thing designed to nudge the economy in a direction that benefits everyone. Unfettered by such controls, profit exponentially becomes a thing bigger than government. When a company like Monsanto can throw more lobbying and legal staff dollars at a problem than the agencies designed to regulate such matters for the good of the people, what do you suppose happens next? Not the result of Democracy, or any Representative Republic, that's for sure.
Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 22 2015,4:39 pm
Even then Botto, I'm not sure I want the gov't stifling innovation/growth by tax penalties for being successful.Our former CEO got pissed one year cuz two sales guys sold enough stuff that their commission was more than his annual salary. His solution was to cap the amount of commission to be paid per quarter and cap year end bonuses.
The result naturally was that there was no longer an incentive to continue to sell once you've reached your cap, and furthermore, once the cap was reached, sales at the end of the quarter were pushed into the next quarter.
It was complete stupidity and everyone knew it. I honestly feel the same could happen if you are to institute a heavily regressive tax structure where there will be little incentive to continue to reach a new tax bracket.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,5:01 pm
Well, when you ship all labor overseas. at the slightest hint of, "It's too expensive here," what do you frakking expect?Imports = Tariffs. Fix that, and you fix a lot.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 22 2015,7:21 pm
^^ mostly tariffs are treated as taxes, it becomes an expenditure that's worked into the bottom line and passed along. Normally if the tariff is raised enough it becomes cheaper to bring production back in country. Problem is that we also have a ton of environmental regulations to deal with too, it's not just labor.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 22 2015,8:22 pm
So. do nothing, says StinkBox..?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 23 2015,5:25 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 22 2015,8:22 pm)
QUOTE
So. do nothing, says StinkBox..?
Well let's see Mr Potatohead
Once again we could raise tariffs but the evil corperate types would just work that into the bottom line. We could relax environments restricts but people like you would go into full (here it comes) full "butt hurt" mode.
We could continue to tighten restrictions, raise taxes, raise tariffs but it won't work.
I know! We could just have the gov take over everything, you know, that socialist thing you say I know nothing about. Think about how efficient that wold be
We've even got a candidate for prez waiting to do this for us. I feel all warm and fuzzy
Posted by grassman on Dec. 23 2015,9:51 am
This country is no longer the nation it was. There is no loyalty and preservation of it. Greed has taken over and will never loosen it's hold. Corporate wanted to become international. It did. Now the only thing they need from the US is all the money they can squeeze out of it. They wanted multi national, there it is. We will slowly go down to meet the rest of the world. Case in point. The troubles going on up at the iron range. All of the cheap steel coming from China. How long before they are just a memory up there? I wonder, with all of the recycling going on, is our scrap steel going to China? I know a lot of our paper does. They have to fill all of them cargo containers with something right.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 23 2015,10:52 am
^^ scrap metal being loaded in containers? Big time! Their are dedicated companies just for that purpose.I saw that this morning when Buster sent a rep to the land of drinking. Funny, I don't remember seeing any support when Target layed off over twice that number.
As far as this country, forget it, the politicians screwed it up decades ago and the finger points at both sides of the isle.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 24 2015,5:49 am
^.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 24 2015,6:23 am
^^ yeah! corperate payoffs to politicians And to think Expat will soon be backing her
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 26 2015,5:53 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 26 2015,10:27 am
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 26 2015,10:55 am
^idgit... Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 26 2015,11:03 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Dec. 26 2015,11:12 am
Bernie Sanders:QUOTE
So let me define for you, simply and straightforwardly, what democratic socialism means to me. It builds on what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said when he fought for guaranteed economic rights for all Americans. And it builds on what Martin Luther King, Jr. said in 1968 when he stated that; “This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor.” It builds on the success of many other countries around the world that have done a far better job than we have in protecting the needs of their working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor.
Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy.
Democratic socialism means that we must reform a political system in America today which is not only grossly unfair but, in many respects, corrupt.
It is a system, for example, which during the 1990s allowed Wall Street to spend $5 billion in lobbying and campaign contributions to get deregulated. Then, ten years later, after the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior of Wall Street led to their collapse, it is a system which provided trillions in government aid to bail them out. Wall Street used their wealth and power to get Congress to do their bidding for deregulation and then, when their greed caused their collapse, they used their wealth and power to get Congress to bail them out. Quite a system!
And, then, to add insult to injury, we were told that not only were the banks too big to fail, the bankers were too big to jail. Kids who get caught possessing marijuana get police records. Wall Street CEOs who help destroy the economy get raises in their salaries. This is what Martin Luther King, Jr. meant by socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.
In my view, it’s time we had democratic socialism for working families, not just Wall Street, billionaires and large corporations. It means that we should not be providing welfare for corporations, huge tax breaks for the very rich, or trade policies which boost corporate profits as workers lose their jobs. It means that we create a government that works for works for all of us, not just powerful special interests. It means that economic rights must be an essential part of what America stands for.
It means that health care should be a right of all people, not a privilege. This is not a radical idea. It exists in every other major country on earth. Not just Denmark, Sweden or Finland. It exists in Canada, France, Germany and Taiwan. That is why I believe in a Medicare-for-all single payer health care system. Yes. The Affordable Care Act, which I helped write and voted for, is a step forward for this country. But we must build on it and go further.
Medicare for all would not only guarantee health care for all people, not only save middle class families and our entire nation significant sums of money, it would radically improve the lives of all Americans and bring about significant improvements in our economy.
People who get sick will not have to worry about paying a deductible or making a co-payment. They could go to the doctor when they should, and not end up in the emergency room. Business owners will not have to spend enormous amounts of time worrying about how they are going to provide health care for their employees. Workers will not have to be trapped in jobs they do not like simply because their employers are offering them decent health insurance plans. Instead, they will be able to pursue the jobs and work they love, which could be an enormous boon for the economy. And by the way, moving to a Medicare for all program will end the disgrace of Americans paying, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.
Democratic socialism means that, in the year 2015, a college degree is equivalent to what a high school degree was 50 years ago – and that public education must allow every person in this country, who has the ability, the qualifications and the desire, the right to go to a public colleges or university tuition free. This is also not a radical idea. It exists today in many countries around the world. In fact, it used to exist in the United States.
Democratic socialism means that our government does everything it can to create a full employment economy. It makes far more sense to put millions of people back to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, than to have a real unemployment rate of almost 10%. It is far smarter to invest in jobs and educational opportunities for unemployed young people, than to lock them up and spend $80 billion a year through mass incarceration.
Democratic socialism means that if someone works forty hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty: that we must raise the minimum wage to a living wage – $15 an hour over the next few years. It means that we join the rest of the world and pass the very strong Paid Family and Medical Leave legislation now in Congress. How can it possibly be that the United States, today, is virtually the only nation on earth, large or small, which does not guarantee that a working class woman can stay home for a reasonable period of time with her new-born baby? How absurd is that?
Democratic socialism means that we have government policy which does not allow the greed and profiteering of the fossil fuel industry to destroy our environment and our planet, and that we have a moral responsibility to combat climate change and leave this planet healthy and habitable for our kids and grandchildren.
Democratic socialism means, that in a democratic, civilized society the wealthiest people and the largest corporations must pay their fair share of taxes. Yes. Innovation, entrepreneurship and business success should be rewarded. But greed for the sake of greed is not something that public policy should support. It is not acceptable that in a rigged economy in the last two years the wealthiest 15 Americans saw their wealth increase by $170 billion, more wealth than is owned by the bottom 130 million Americans. Let us not forget what Pope Francis has so elegantly stated; “We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.”
It is not acceptable that major corporations stash their profits in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens to avoid paying $100 billion in taxes each and every year. It is not acceptable that hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or truck drivers. It is not acceptable that billionaire families are able to leave virtually all of their wealth to their families without paying a reasonable estate tax. It is not acceptable that Wall Street speculators are able to gamble trillions of dollars in the derivatives market without paying a nickel in taxes on those transactions.
Democratic socialism, to me, does not just mean that we must create a nation of economic and social justice. It also means that we must create a vibrant democracy based on the principle of one person one vote. It is extremely sad that the United States, one of the oldest democracies on earth, has one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country, and that millions of young and working class people have given up on our political system entirely. Every American should be embarrassed that in our last national election 63% of the American people, and 80% of young people, did not vote. Clearly, despite the efforts of many Republican governors to suppress the vote, we must make it easier for people to participate in the political process, not harder. It is not too much to demand that everyone 18 years of age is registered to vote – end of discussion.
Further, it is unacceptable that we have a corrupt campaign finance system which allows millionaires, billionaires and large corporations to contribute as much as they want to Super Pacs to elect candidates who will represent their special interests. We must overturn Citizens United and move to public funding of elections.
So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this:
I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.
I believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America instead of shipping jobs and profits overseas.
I believe that most Americans can pay lower taxes – if hedge fund managers who make billions manipulating the marketplace finally pay the taxes they should.
I don’t believe in special treatment for the top 1%, but I do believe in equal treatment for African-Americans who are right to proclaim the moral principle that Black Lives Matter.
I despise appeals to nativism and prejudice, and I do believe in immigration reform that gives Hispanics and others a pathway to citizenship and a better life.
I don’t believe in some foreign “ism”, but I believe deeply in American idealism.
I’m not running for president because it’s my turn, but because it’s the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity not for some, not for the few, but for all.
No one understood better than FDR the connection between American strength at home and our ability to defend America at home and across the world. That is why he proposed a second Bill of Rights in 1944, and said in that State of the Union:
“America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.”
I’m not running to pursue reckless adventures abroad, but to rebuild America’s strength at home. I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will never send our sons and daughters to war under false pretense or pretenses or into dubious battles with no end in sight.
And when we discuss foreign policy, let me join the people of Paris in mourning their loss, and pray that those who have been wounded will enjoy a full recovery. Our hearts also go out to the families of the hundreds of Russians apparently killed by an ISIS bomb on their flight, and those who lost their lives to terrorist attacks in Lebanon and elsewhere.
To my mind, it is clear that the United States must pursue policies to destroy the brutal and barbaric ISIS regime, and to create conditions that prevent fanatical extremist ideologies from flourishing. But we cannot – and should not – do it alone.
Our response must begin with an understanding of past mistakes and missteps in our previous approaches to foreign policy. It begins with the acknowledgment that unilateral military action should be a last resort, not a first resort, and that ill-conceived military decisions, such as the invasion of Iraq, can wreak far-reaching devastation and destabilize entire regions for decades. It begins with the reflection that the failed policy decisions of the past – rushing to war, regime change in Iraq, or toppling Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, or Guatemalan President Árbenz in 1954, Brazilian President Goulart in 1964, Chilean President Allende in 1973. These are the sorts of policies do not work, do not make us safer, and must not be repeated.
Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy.
Democratic socialism means that we must reform a political system in America today which is not only grossly unfair but, in many respects, corrupt.
It is a system, for example, which during the 1990s allowed Wall Street to spend $5 billion in lobbying and campaign contributions to get deregulated. Then, ten years later, after the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior of Wall Street led to their collapse, it is a system which provided trillions in government aid to bail them out. Wall Street used their wealth and power to get Congress to do their bidding for deregulation and then, when their greed caused their collapse, they used their wealth and power to get Congress to bail them out. Quite a system!
And, then, to add insult to injury, we were told that not only were the banks too big to fail, the bankers were too big to jail. Kids who get caught possessing marijuana get police records. Wall Street CEOs who help destroy the economy get raises in their salaries. This is what Martin Luther King, Jr. meant by socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.
In my view, it’s time we had democratic socialism for working families, not just Wall Street, billionaires and large corporations. It means that we should not be providing welfare for corporations, huge tax breaks for the very rich, or trade policies which boost corporate profits as workers lose their jobs. It means that we create a government that works for works for all of us, not just powerful special interests. It means that economic rights must be an essential part of what America stands for.
It means that health care should be a right of all people, not a privilege. This is not a radical idea. It exists in every other major country on earth. Not just Denmark, Sweden or Finland. It exists in Canada, France, Germany and Taiwan. That is why I believe in a Medicare-for-all single payer health care system. Yes. The Affordable Care Act, which I helped write and voted for, is a step forward for this country. But we must build on it and go further.
Medicare for all would not only guarantee health care for all people, not only save middle class families and our entire nation significant sums of money, it would radically improve the lives of all Americans and bring about significant improvements in our economy.
People who get sick will not have to worry about paying a deductible or making a co-payment. They could go to the doctor when they should, and not end up in the emergency room. Business owners will not have to spend enormous amounts of time worrying about how they are going to provide health care for their employees. Workers will not have to be trapped in jobs they do not like simply because their employers are offering them decent health insurance plans. Instead, they will be able to pursue the jobs and work they love, which could be an enormous boon for the economy. And by the way, moving to a Medicare for all program will end the disgrace of Americans paying, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.
Democratic socialism means that, in the year 2015, a college degree is equivalent to what a high school degree was 50 years ago – and that public education must allow every person in this country, who has the ability, the qualifications and the desire, the right to go to a public colleges or university tuition free. This is also not a radical idea. It exists today in many countries around the world. In fact, it used to exist in the United States.
Democratic socialism means that our government does everything it can to create a full employment economy. It makes far more sense to put millions of people back to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, than to have a real unemployment rate of almost 10%. It is far smarter to invest in jobs and educational opportunities for unemployed young people, than to lock them up and spend $80 billion a year through mass incarceration.
Democratic socialism means that if someone works forty hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty: that we must raise the minimum wage to a living wage – $15 an hour over the next few years. It means that we join the rest of the world and pass the very strong Paid Family and Medical Leave legislation now in Congress. How can it possibly be that the United States, today, is virtually the only nation on earth, large or small, which does not guarantee that a working class woman can stay home for a reasonable period of time with her new-born baby? How absurd is that?
Democratic socialism means that we have government policy which does not allow the greed and profiteering of the fossil fuel industry to destroy our environment and our planet, and that we have a moral responsibility to combat climate change and leave this planet healthy and habitable for our kids and grandchildren.
Democratic socialism means, that in a democratic, civilized society the wealthiest people and the largest corporations must pay their fair share of taxes. Yes. Innovation, entrepreneurship and business success should be rewarded. But greed for the sake of greed is not something that public policy should support. It is not acceptable that in a rigged economy in the last two years the wealthiest 15 Americans saw their wealth increase by $170 billion, more wealth than is owned by the bottom 130 million Americans. Let us not forget what Pope Francis has so elegantly stated; “We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.”
It is not acceptable that major corporations stash their profits in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens to avoid paying $100 billion in taxes each and every year. It is not acceptable that hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or truck drivers. It is not acceptable that billionaire families are able to leave virtually all of their wealth to their families without paying a reasonable estate tax. It is not acceptable that Wall Street speculators are able to gamble trillions of dollars in the derivatives market without paying a nickel in taxes on those transactions.
Democratic socialism, to me, does not just mean that we must create a nation of economic and social justice. It also means that we must create a vibrant democracy based on the principle of one person one vote. It is extremely sad that the United States, one of the oldest democracies on earth, has one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country, and that millions of young and working class people have given up on our political system entirely. Every American should be embarrassed that in our last national election 63% of the American people, and 80% of young people, did not vote. Clearly, despite the efforts of many Republican governors to suppress the vote, we must make it easier for people to participate in the political process, not harder. It is not too much to demand that everyone 18 years of age is registered to vote – end of discussion.
Further, it is unacceptable that we have a corrupt campaign finance system which allows millionaires, billionaires and large corporations to contribute as much as they want to Super Pacs to elect candidates who will represent their special interests. We must overturn Citizens United and move to public funding of elections.
So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this:
I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.
I believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America instead of shipping jobs and profits overseas.
I believe that most Americans can pay lower taxes – if hedge fund managers who make billions manipulating the marketplace finally pay the taxes they should.
I don’t believe in special treatment for the top 1%, but I do believe in equal treatment for African-Americans who are right to proclaim the moral principle that Black Lives Matter.
I despise appeals to nativism and prejudice, and I do believe in immigration reform that gives Hispanics and others a pathway to citizenship and a better life.
I don’t believe in some foreign “ism”, but I believe deeply in American idealism.
I’m not running for president because it’s my turn, but because it’s the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity not for some, not for the few, but for all.
No one understood better than FDR the connection between American strength at home and our ability to defend America at home and across the world. That is why he proposed a second Bill of Rights in 1944, and said in that State of the Union:
“America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.”
I’m not running to pursue reckless adventures abroad, but to rebuild America’s strength at home. I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will never send our sons and daughters to war under false pretense or pretenses or into dubious battles with no end in sight.
And when we discuss foreign policy, let me join the people of Paris in mourning their loss, and pray that those who have been wounded will enjoy a full recovery. Our hearts also go out to the families of the hundreds of Russians apparently killed by an ISIS bomb on their flight, and those who lost their lives to terrorist attacks in Lebanon and elsewhere.
To my mind, it is clear that the United States must pursue policies to destroy the brutal and barbaric ISIS regime, and to create conditions that prevent fanatical extremist ideologies from flourishing. But we cannot – and should not – do it alone.
Our response must begin with an understanding of past mistakes and missteps in our previous approaches to foreign policy. It begins with the acknowledgment that unilateral military action should be a last resort, not a first resort, and that ill-conceived military decisions, such as the invasion of Iraq, can wreak far-reaching devastation and destabilize entire regions for decades. It begins with the reflection that the failed policy decisions of the past – rushing to war, regime change in Iraq, or toppling Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, or Guatemalan President Árbenz in 1954, Brazilian President Goulart in 1964, Chilean President Allende in 1973. These are the sorts of policies do not work, do not make us safer, and must not be repeated.
< View on YouTube >
Posted by grassman on Dec. 26 2015,12:34 pm
Gee, I wonder why money grubbers are afraid of him? Life is not fair and we should never try and make it fair, because.....?
Posted by stardust14 on Dec. 26 2015,4:47 pm
Oh, yeh, those money grubbers. Which corporate loss or expense will they "socialize" unto society this coming year? The trillions $$$$ of profits they capitalize and stash in overseas accounts. Where are all those belly aching taxpayers screaming for their lost dollars? Bernie wants to turn this corporate scam on its head. Apparently Joe Plumber doesn't want his tax dollars back to send kids to college, etc. He wants to be head cheerleader for thieves and crooks, and then bitch and wonder why his life choices are evaporating.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 26 2015,5:43 pm
Ever wondered why they immigrated?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Dec. 27 2015,12:07 am
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 27 2015,6:07 am
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 26 2015,5:43 pm)
QUOTE
Ever wondered why they immigrated?
We're not talking the !800's here Dumbo, the Nordic Countries abandon the Oligarchic rule system in the early 1900's, something we've not been able to accomplish here..
The Nordic Countries are rated some of the best places to live in the world...
Now we're looking at Nordic migration not immigration...
Sanders will emulate the successful Nordic model..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 27 2015,6:13 am
^^no, he won't, the nomination will go to stroke lady.Nice try Love Canal
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 27 2015,6:31 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 27 2015,7:32 am
< http://www.economist.com/news...ins-and >Build a dumpster and the garbage will come.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 27 2015,9:17 am
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 27 2015,7:32 am)
QUOTE
Build a dumpster and the garbage will come.
Yep, and then some
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 27 2015,10:47 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 27 2015,9:17 am)
QUOTE
(Self-Banished @ Dec. 27 2015,7:32 am)
QUOTE
Build a dumpster and the garbage will come.
Yep, and then some
Appearently you didn't read the link.
Knock me over with a feather
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 27 2015,12:43 pm
It's like public housing anywhere. Extreme examples would be the Robert Taylor Homes and Cabrini Green. And we all know how well that went.< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 27 2015,4:53 pm
^^yeah, Cabrini Green, should be torn down.
Posted by grassman on Dec. 30 2015,5:16 am
I think this is part of what Bernie is talking about. How can any regular person be against what he wants to do about it? < http://www.msn.com/en-us...BBo1AYF >
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 30 2015,6:00 am
(grassman @ Dec. 30 2015,5:16 am)
QUOTE
I think this is part of what Bernie is talking about. How can any regular person be against what he wants to do about it?
< http://www.msn.com/en-us...BBo1AYF >
< http://www.msn.com/en-us...BBo1AYF >
Like it or not these are the laws on the books with our tax code that's thousands of pages long. Also there are companies that have billions parked off shore because of these laws. We do it to ourselves. The tax code needs to be changed, simplified. Would we get this from Batsh!t Sanders? Any of the Dems? The establishment repubs? Absolutely no.
The tax code we presently have needs to be scrapped, a tax holiday for overseas money implemented. The potential after this is done is staggering.
< http://www.bloomberg.com/news...d-taxes >
The top company stashing cash offshore is GE, isn't that Buster's fav?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 30 2015,6:01 am
^^For some reason I can't load a pic this am
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 30 2015,6:31 am
QUOTE
For the Wealthiest, a Private Tax System That Saves Them Billions
By: NOAM SCHEIBER and PATRICIA COHEN
The New York Times
Tuesday, December 29, 2015
WASHINGTON — The hedge fund magnates Daniel S. Loeb, Louis Moore Bacon and Steven A. Cohen have much in common. They have managed billions of dollars in capital, earning vast fortunes. They have invested millions in art — and millions more in political candidates.
Moreover, each has exploited an esoteric tax loophole that saved them millions in taxes. The trick? Route the money to Bermuda and back.
With inequality at its highest levels in nearly a century and public debate rising over whether the government should respond to it through higher taxes on the wealthy, the very richest Americans have financed a sophisticated and astonishingly effective apparatus for shielding their fortunes. Some call it the “income defense industry,” consisting of a high-priced phalanx of lawyers, estate planners, lobbyists and anti-tax activists who exploit and defend a dizzying array of tax maneuvers, virtually none of them available to taxpayers of more modest means.
In recent years, this apparatus has become one of the most powerful avenues of influence for wealthy Americans of all political stripes, including Mr. Loeb and Mr. Cohen, who give heavily to Republicans, and the liberal billionaire George Soros, who has called for higher levies on the rich while at the same time using tax loopholes to bolster his own fortune.
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=1 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 30 2015,8:42 am
Yeah, George Soros < http://www.bloomberg.com/news...ax-bill >
A fine example
Posted by grassman on Dec. 30 2015,3:52 pm
Yepper, he's one of them. The list is long and sickening. Does not matter which side of aisle they are on. That is why we need someone like Bernie to get in and put a halt to it. You cannot expect the vermin to cross each other when they are all part of the problem. They have each others back and you know it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 31 2015,5:11 am
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...-others >pander bear
A candidate running for political office who shamelessly attempts to lure in votes by making patronizing and empty concessions and shows of support for particular special interests.
Observer 1: OMG did you see how John McCain has started hanging out with that crazy guy who runs a megachurch in Georgia to try to get the evangelical vote?
Observer 2: yeah, what a Pander Bear.
Posted by grassman on Dec. 31 2015,5:21 am
Yeah? Pointless article. Wasted my time.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 31 2015,6:25 am
^^ wasted your time? How would you like your refund, more mt Batsh!t promises or whiskey?
Posted by grassman on Dec. 31 2015,9:34 am
Whiskey? Yeah that's the ticket!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 01 2016,7:48 am
^^ If this guy wins I'll buy you a bottle of Jameson
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 02 2016,5:29 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 02 2016,5:59 am
^^ sounds like Albert Lea
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 02 2016,6:18 am
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Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 03 2016,10:14 am
Sanders says the right things, but can he get anything done if elected? You hear candidates promise stuff all the time, but congress has to be the one to act. And this has been a do nothing congress for years. When your approval rating has been hovering around single digits you know things aren't good.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 03 2016,10:38 am
Sanders will win in a landslide against Trump...When Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency he’ll more than likely carry the Senate on his coattails, this will leave the House temporarily in Republican hands..
Sanders is an energetic orator to say the least, his position as President gives a unique access to the ear of the populace, the do nothing House of Representatives will find their backs against the wall, either they play ball with Bernie or they defy the populace, meaning an end to the Republican Party...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 03 2016,12:36 pm
(Glad I Left @ Jan. 03 2016,10:14 am)
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Sanders says the right things, but can he get anything done if elected? You hear candidates promise stuff all the time, but congress has to be the one to act. And this has been a do nothing congress for years. When your approval rating has been hovering around single digits you know things aren't good.
In pretty much every speech Bernie Sanders makes and every debate so far, he says "No one person, no one president, can make change on his own. The people need to stand up and make their demands heard. The citizens NEED to start participating in creating change." - pretty much his exact words. And he's right.
Sanders has worked with grassroots organizations for all of his years in politics. He's even marched in many protests, right along side the protesters. He's done quite well with bipartisan legislation and amendments. He's the ONLY candidate outside the "business as usual" crowd. Business as usual has been going on for far too long in this country.
He also points out how untrustworthy the national media is when he gets a chance to. In my opinion, the national media is the biggest reason things have gotten so bad over the years.
Expat:
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meaning an end to the Republican Party...
meaning an end to business as usual. Both parties.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 03 2016,2:19 pm
(Glad I Left @ Jan. 03 2016,10:14 am)
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Sanders says the right things, but can he get anything done if elected? You hear candidates promise stuff all the time, but congress has to be the one to act. And this has been a do nothing congress for years. When your approval rating has been hovering around single digits you know things aren't good.
Bernie Sanders 1992:
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Sometimes I think that the people in this institution and the White House are really losing contact in not knowing what’s going on with the American people. In case ya don't know, and ya haven't seen the latest polls, the American people hold the President of the United States in contempt, they hold this institution in contempt, they hold the Republican Party in contempt, they hold the Democratic Party in contempt.
They think that maybe given all the crises facing this country, it’s about time that there was some bold leadership here and that this institution make some hard choices.
They think that maybe given all the crises facing this country, it’s about time that there was some bold leadership here and that this institution make some hard choices.
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 03 2016,5:16 pm
(Expatriate @ Jan. 03 2016,10:38 am)
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Sanders will win in a landslide against Trump...
When Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency he’ll more than likely carry the Senate on his coattails, this will leave the House temporarily in Republican hands..
Sanders is an energetic orator to say the least, his position as President gives a unique access to the ear of the populace, the do nothing House of Representatives will find their backs against the wall, either they play ball with Bernie or they defy the populace, meaning an end to the Republican Party...
When Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency he’ll more than likely carry the Senate on his coattails, this will leave the House temporarily in Republican hands..
Sanders is an energetic orator to say the least, his position as President gives a unique access to the ear of the populace, the do nothing House of Representatives will find their backs against the wall, either they play ball with Bernie or they defy the populace, meaning an end to the Republican Party...
Wow
Posted by grassman on Jan. 04 2016,5:14 am
You want to find out what the pulse of the nation is? Sit around various groups and listen. I know for some of you that is damn near impossible, but. Do not interject your opinion into the conversation. I am hearing more and more support for Trump and Bernie. Trump has some good ideas but... Bernie has better on most counts. The ones that are stomping their feet out of fear, are the ones who have been winning the most with the bought and paid for politicians.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,5:48 am
^^I have to agree with you Gman, quite a few Batsh!t supporters on my Facebook but about the same for Trump. As I work around the rails and depots most of the support is Trump, not a word about the other guy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 04 2016,5:50 am
In blockbuster poll, Sanders destroys Trump by 13 points< http://thehill.com/blogs...p-by-13 >
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders
< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls...65.html >
In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush
< http://thehill.com/blogs...er-both >
Poll: Bernie Sanders would beat Donald Trump
< http://www.cnn.com/2015...mp-poll >
Poll: Against Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump Would Get 'Schlonged'
< http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...0151223 >
Poll Shows Sanders Would Trounce Trump in General Election
< http://www.commondreams.org/news...lection >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,6:08 am
^^ but the thing is that Batsh!t won't be the dem nominee, that's reserved for her highness the stroke lady.The only way she loses is if she's indicted.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,6:30 am
The predictions are a bit different when Batsh!t is put up against other R candidates.That's all they are for now, predictions, it's a long time till Nov.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 04 2016,6:53 am
When the fecal hits the fan the American People are sick of the Republican Party's war based economy, their Nation building foreign policy has failed miserably, their support of the failed trickle-down policy, their support of trade deals that hurt rather than help the American worker, their continued attack on labor laws, minimum wage and unions isn't good for the Middle Class, it's destroying US.. long story short Bernie will beat any Republican in the general election... Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,8:52 am
^^ quite simple for one, unions are not good for the middle class, the dues paid steals from the buying power and nothing is done for the worker, all the fat hoes into Union reps pockets.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 04 2016,9:43 am
^The only simple one is you, idgit!Differences between union and nonunion compensation,2001–2011
data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 04 2016,9:59 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 04 2016,8:52 am)
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^^ quite simple for one, unions are not good for the middle class, the dues paid steals from the buying power and nothing is done for the worker, all the fat hoes into Union reps pockets.
And according to the BLS in 2014, union members made over $200 a week more than non-union members. Union dues are nowhere near $200 a week...
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In 2014, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual weekly earnings
of $970, while those who were not union members had median weekly earnings of $763.
of $970, while those who were not union members had median weekly earnings of $763.
< http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf >
So, SB, instead of just calling names or misrepresenting the facts on Bernie Sanders points, maybe you could explain what you think the biggest and most dire problems this country faces.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Posted by grassman on Jan. 04 2016,10:39 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 04 2016,9:59 am)
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So, SB, instead of just calling names or misrepresenting the facts on Bernie Sanders points, maybe you could explain what you think the biggest and most dire problems this country faces.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Now that would just be Batchit crazy!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,11:19 am
Let's see, I do believe he wants more regulation, more control over employers and in turn these employers leave the country, that seems to me to be quite harmful in my book. A $15 minimum wage? Fine, no problem, these folks will find work loading containers of equipment heading overseas to be setup in new factories. Try and stop them? The owners would just walk away.Union workers making more? Of course they do, their main stay is gov services and it's pretty easy to get these wanna-be-reelected politicians to give gov workers raises just to get their vote.
As some of the dummies on this site like to point out, I'm just a truck driver. I make far more than any Union driver with just what I do on the trucking side of my business. It just takes effort.
As far as who's best to lead this country? Is sure as hell isn't a socialist, lifelong politician.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 04 2016,12:45 pm
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Let's see, I do believe he wants more regulation, more control over employers and in turn these employers leave the country, that seems to me to be quite harmful in my book.
Why exactly do you believe that though? As Mayor of Burlington he did quite well. For poor, AND businesses.
Even though republicans and especially democrats both made things as difficult as possible at first, he made things better.
< https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro...ry.html >
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
Have you checked into proposed regulations yourself?
< http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-government-regulation/ >
SB
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A $15 minimum wage? Fine, no problem, these folks will find work loading containers of equipment heading overseas to be setup in new factories. Try and stop them? The owners would just walk away.
I'm curious why you think it's ok for companies having record breaking profits, and record breaking CEO pay to "pass along" cost increases to consumers and cut workers pay, and bitch about lazy freeloaders who need public assistance because the cost of living is so high and they don't get paid enough. Why is the cost of living constantly increasing ok with you, but pay shouldn't have to be one of the things to keep up with it? While corporate profits and CEO pay keep soaring. Also, maybe you can factor in the insane increase in college costs to the "lazy unachievers".
SB
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quite simple for one, unions are not good for the middle class, the dues paid steals from the buying power and nothing is done for the worker, all the fat hoes into Union reps pockets.
SB
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Union workers making more? Of course they do, their main stay is gov services and it's pretty easy to get these wanna-be-reelected politicians to give gov workers raises just to get their vote.
Do you not read or watch any information others post in the forum? Those union workers making more money than non union are NOT only government union workers for Godsake.
SB
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As far as who's best to lead this country? Is sure as hell isn't a socialist, lifelong politician.
You keep slamming him, the whole time not actually trying to find out the truth of what he has done or intends to do. I'm assuming you just keep parroting what others say and write.
You also never respond when I ask this:
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So, SB, instead of just calling names or misrepresenting the facts on Bernie Sanders points, maybe you could explain what you think the biggest and most dire problems this country faces.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 04 2016,1:16 pm
^^ We've gone through this sh!t for years on this site and that's about what exactly it is, socialist sh!t.
You go ahead, promote this bastard. Maybe he'll actually win
then we can really go into the financial turd heap. Are you prepared for the next recession? I'm pretty sure it's coming this year. Now, this is my opinion and I'm sure if a recession happens you'll fine a way to blame it on anybody but the libs.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 05 2016,6:39 am
^If you'd spend the time to look at the plans of the oligarchy candidates you support and you had the ability to think a few moves ahead, you'd realize these plans take US to a collapse!But the only thing you can do is parrot the right-wing propagandists that fill your head with hate media phases like Socialism and then you try to equate that with Democratic Socialism and call it evil..the true evil is the oligarchy plan to take US back to a regressive system of slavery for the worker..
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 05 2016,6:57 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 04 2016,1:16 pm)
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Now, this is my opinion and I'm sure if a recession happens you'll [find] a way to blame it on anybody but the libs.
And who will you blame it on? Workers in Dickensian environments, the ones that want a little more than room and gruel out of life? People disgusted with the increasing differential between wages and the cost of living? Any number of other "temporarily-distressed millionaires" that aren't doing as well as you?
Do tell...
Posted by grassman on Jan. 05 2016,6:59 am
5 Ways Democratic Socialism Isn't What You ThinkSanders himself has tried many times to explain the difference between "socialism" and "democratic socialism," but the right still seems hung up on misrepresenting his views and exploiting people's fears. America has a rich socialist history many people are unaware of, but still fear the "S" word and picture evil dictators and red flags.
To quell any fears and to put a great deal of misinformation to rest, here are five things that democratic socialism is not.
1. Democratic Socialism Is Not Marxism
When Sanders spoke at the Georgetown University, he said clearly that he is NOT in favor of "workers owning the means of production," which is one of the most important aspects of Marxism. Marxism would replace the corporate ownership of business and would hand the companies to the workers to manage and control. This eliminates the capitalist structure, something democratic socialism does not do.
2. It Is Not Communism
In Karl Marx's writing, he often used the terms "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably. Many still do today in the Marxist movements, but outside of that, most people see Communism as the political structure of the (now-separated) USSR and China. Marxist communism is impossible to enact wholely, so these regimes did not represent true Marxism. Even so, they are much closer to Marxist communism than to democratic socialism.
3. It Is Not A Replacement For Capitalism
True socialism would replace the capitalist economy we live in now and replace it fully with a socialist one. While this is the dream of Marxists and socialists everywhere, this is not the plan under democratic socialism. Democratic socialism would instead put more restrictions on corporations and owners. This would include limitations on how much more money a CEO can make compared to their employees, and granting employees more rights and higher minimum wage.
4. It Is Not The Same As Regular Socialism
Democratic socialists have historically rejected the belief that the economy should be centrally planned (a centrally-planned economy is a socialist keystone belief). Instead, democratic socialism believes that some parts of society may be better if they are democratically planned: mass transit, medical care, minimum wage, etc. Democratic socialism still believes the capitalist market is best for consumer goods and services.
5. It Is Not Outside The Democratic Party
When Sanders announced he was running for President, he switched his party from Independent to Democrat, and many wondered why a socialist would run as a Democrat. Yet, what many didn't understand was that Democratic Socialism is not a party in itself and is an ideology that actually exists inside the Democratic Party.
Democratic socialists only hope to strengthen the party by improving upon issues the nation faces today such as healthcare, college tuition, and a strengthened social safety net.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 05 2016,8:34 am
^^ let me know which socialist country you want to move to, I'll pitch in for the ticket.Maybe you and Botto can get a couples package, you know,gruel for two. I catch hell for insults but gruel? Is Botto serious?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 05 2016,8:42 am
My point being, welfare is not some expenditure to be trimmed. It is a symptom of a bad economy. Those that control the currency could fix this. But they don't want to, and they own various politicians, some in office, some vying for office. So there you go. Message to Government: You broke it, you fix it. Until then, I guess the USDA is going to be loading SNAP cards.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 05 2016,11:07 am
So, SB, instead of just calling names or misrepresenting the facts on Bernie Sanders points, maybe you could explain what you think the biggest and most dire problems this country faces. Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Grassman:
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Now that would just be Batchit crazy!
He must think so.
Botto, it's poor people's fault for being poor. They're lazy, unmotivated and uneducated. It has nothing to do with cozy relationships between certain corporations/banks and certain regulators and politicians, or the revolving door of employees back and forth and back again between them all. Sheesh!! How many times does he have to say it!!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 05 2016,11:24 am
^^ ok Roz, let's pick one,How about free college tuition? Explain to me why my tax money should go to educate someone else's child. I can see this now, another gov run program, most likely full of favoritism (please don't say it doesn't happen) I am and will always be a believer in self advancement no mater what and most of the pity party the so called poor expouse is self perceived.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 05 2016,11:52 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 05 2016,11:24 am)
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^^ ok Roz, let's pick one,
How about free college tuition? Explain to me why my tax money should go to educate someone else's child. I can see this now, another gov run program, most likely full of favoritism (please don't say it doesn't happen) I am and will always be a believer in self advancement no mater what and most of the pity party the so called poor expouse is self perceived.
How about free college tuition? Explain to me why my tax money should go to educate someone else's child. I can see this now, another gov run program, most likely full of favoritism (please don't say it doesn't happen) I am and will always be a believer in self advancement no mater what and most of the pity party the so called poor expouse is self perceived.
Ok, for one thing SB, you didn't answer the question I keep asking.
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maybe you could explain what you think the biggest and most dire problems this country faces.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Starting out discussing the worst problems might give us all a better idea on the issues and who is best to lead the country.
Instead you brought up yet ANOTHER thing from the first part of my comment, which is :
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So, SB, instead of just calling names or misrepresenting the facts on Bernie Sanders points,
Do you not read or listen to anything that others post in this forum? I'm not trying to be an ass, I am asking this honestly. Because it doesn't seem to me that you do. Maybe you should take the time to actually read and listen to what others in this forum post.
SB
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How about free college tuition? Explain to me why my tax money should go to educate someone else's child. I can see this now, another gov run program, most likely full of favoritism (please don't say it doesn't happen) I am and will always be a believer in self advancement no mater what and most of the pity party the so called poor expouse is self perceived.
1')Didn't you at least one time state in this forum that you received grants when you went to college? I apologize if I am mistaken.
2) It would NOT be YOUR tax money, and you would know that if you read or listened to things others post in the forum.
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The cost of this plan is fully paid for by imposing a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago. More than 1,000 economists have endorsed a tax on Wall Street speculation and today some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax including Britain, Germany, France, Switzerland, and China. If the taxpayers of this country could bailout Wall Street in 2008, we can make public colleges and universities tuition free and debt free throughout the country.
< https://berniesanders.com/issues...bt-free >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 05 2016,12:52 pm
Problems facing this country? How about the death of self exitance, as I stated earlier, a self pity party this country seems to be "celebrating". The "it's the fault of the rich I'm poor crowd" or " he's got more than me gimme some of his" whiney, snotty brat attitude. As far as my grant? It was $200, it paid a couple months rent, I think I mentioned that after I was questioned on that in a later posting. Maybe you should read others posts first
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 05 2016,11:22 pm
If some dogs believe life is little more than eating other dogs...so be it. Some folks appear to be born this way, others learn it from having their butts and ears chewed on by their buddies. It's a bully mentality which can become profitable later in life. The Marlboro Man's rugged individualism is code for "I matter, you don't".These folks are unable to empathize with fellow humans, so they funnel their loyalties to abstract ideas like patriotism, religion, bigotry, racism, individualism...and let's not forget cash. We end up with a whole cart load of wanna-be millionaires, wanna-be patriots, wanna-be individuals. Mostly all failures as members of society. Their attempt to marry themselves to constantly changing abstractions(and not humanity) is sociopathic, parasitic.
They don't want society to progress. They want to keep it enslaved to their paranoid sociopathic lifestyles.
An example:
Letter to Trib.
Our president, Barack Hussein Obama, has no intention of keeping his oath of office by defending and guarding America to keep us safe. In fact, last month he actually proclaimed that he is not interested in American leadership or America winning.
If Obama has no interest in leading America, then why is he still in office? Maybe Obama doesn’t want America to be at war with Islam, but Islam certainly is at war with America.
Under Obama’s leadership, America is now the world’s largest financier of terrorism. The media failed to cover that. According to Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, who was part of the Iran negotiations, the United States paid $5 billion to Qatar and traded five top Taliban detainees for Bergdahl. What? And now Obama is implementing the Jijra, the intentional seeding of Muslims into communities in the U.S., to change the culture, which will overthrow the U.S. Constitution. Just look at Minneapolis, St. Paul or St. Cloud where they operate utilizing Sharia law.
I say no more Muslim immigration of any kind — refugees, asyleees, regular immigrants via family chain immigration or visas of any type including student visas, business visas, tourist visas, etc. into the U.S. — period.
Paul Westrum
Albert Lea
Sorry, Rosalind. Paranoid sociopaths( Trib & this site) march to a different drummer.
PS The facist Trib prints garbage from this idiot but refuses to print any intelligent response.
Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 06 2016,12:54 am
I love the Roseanne video clip a couple pages back. SB:
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then we can really go into the financial turd heap. Are you prepared for the next recession?
We weren't prepared for the Bush years either, or the mess that Wall Street left for the rest of America to bailout. I doubt Wisconsin was ready for what Scott Walker's policies would leave them with. Your pointing to a Democrat and saying he will leave us in financial ruin seems to be the pot calling the kettle black.
Think about the disparity on this. When a Republican leaves financial ruin behind him in a state like Wisconsin, or gets fired as a CEO, you'd wholeheartedly support the financial ruin they'd bring to us.
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How about free college tuition? Explain to me why my tax money should go to educate someone else's child.
For the same reason that others paid taxes for the grants you were happy to receive, and others will pay when you're in old age.
You can't just say you want the education, infrastructure, healthcare, war, and national defense, but then on April 15th claim that you'd rather not pay for it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2016,4:21 am
^^ah yes, a two hundred dollars grant, one grant, that averaged $13 a month the whole time I was in school.And no, I'm not pointing at a Republican or a democrat, I'm pointing at the worthless politicians we have controlling this country. POS's that make themselves a career out of a job that was originally meant as short term.
But let's go back one more post, I am an individual, i could go into all the the reasons I am and what it means, the fact that I do take care of my family, even a few friends but you'd just sit behind your computer, horkin' down another pot pie and pass down your devine judgement.
So there you have it, one response for two posters
Kaptain Kreepy and Star Twink.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 06 2016,9:24 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 05 2016,12:52 pm)
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Problems facing this country? How about the death of self exitance, as I stated earlier, a self pity party this country seems to be "celebrating". The "it's the fault of the rich I'm poor crowd" or " he's got more than me gimme some of his" whiney, snotty brat attitude.
As far as my grant? It was $200, it paid a couple months rent, I think I mentioned that after I was questioned on that in a later posting. Maybe you should read others posts first
As far as my grant? It was $200, it paid a couple months rent, I think I mentioned that after I was questioned on that in a later posting. Maybe you should read others posts first
I don't know what self exitance is.
Here's what I think our biggest and most dire problems are:
1) Constant meddling with other countries.
2) Water shortages and many other environmental problems. (Not just in the US but all over the world)
3) Almost total corruption in pretty much every part of our government and our national mainstream media.
I know we have other problems, but these three are what I consider our worst.
That's why I am voting for Bernie in the primaries, and with any luck, in the main election. He's the ONLY candidate that I feel has a chance at doing anything about these problems. He's the only one that I KNOW is passionate and has the desire to do anything about these and other problems. In my opinion, the rest (both republican and democrat) are almost completely interchangeable with each other and interchangeable with the presidents and policies we've had for pretty much my whole life.
Stardust:
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Sorry, Rosalind. Paranoid sociopaths( Trib & this site) march to a different drummer.
That Paul Westrum fella....He's the biggest reason I rarely read Letters To The Editor in the AL paper anymore.
Sorry SB, I wracked my brain trying to figure out how to word my next statement and have it not come out sounding rude or mean. I don't mean it in a rude or mean way, just my honest opinion.
Stardust, for quite awhile I thought SB was just being stubbornly ignorant, and it's been pretty obvious he wants to remain ignorant, otherwise he'd be actually paying attention to the information being posted in the forum. Then I started thinking, maybe he's suffering from some sort of strain of affluenze (Like that Ethan Couch kid) . I figured maybe that's why SB never seems to be upset by any wrong doing of any of the elite, but full of anger and hatred for the poor.
Maybe he's an ignorant sociopath suffering from affluenza.
SB, I repeat, the whiny, snotty brats would not steal any of YOUR precious money for college.
A lot more educated americans in the world can only be a good thing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2016,11:17 am
^^ angry at the poor? I grew up on a small farm, affluent by no means. This is where I learned my work ethic.And don't worry about pissing me off Roz, I'm not an angry man, just a bit sadistic at times picking on idiots and smarmy baristas.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 06 2016,12:40 pm
No matter how you dress it up, call it cutesy names or hyphenate it, it boils down to the same, its still the same game, socialism. It is a sh!!T economic policy.The socialist state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 06 2016,1:23 pm
Sanders isn't talking an end to Capitalism, quit your fear-mongering.. Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 06 2016,2:17 pm
(Expatriate @ Jan. 06 2016,1:23 pm)
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Sanders isn't talking an end to Capitalism, quit your fear-mongering..
Yoda:
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Compatible, democratic socialism and capitalism are. Hmmmmmm.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2016,2:22 pm
^^spoken like a true fictional character.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 06 2016,2:44 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 06 2016,2:22 pm)
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^^spoken like a true fictional character.
Fire Departments are a socialist practice. You think Fire Departments should be privatized and charge regular fees? Think the Fire Department should do nothing to help if a person hasn't paid their fees? ... You probably would think that's a good idea. And another person's house burning down would have absolutely no effect on you in your perfect world...except for maybe having to step over lazy dead beat families who lost their homes while you're walking down the sidewalk.
WWJD Christianboy
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2016,3:17 pm
WWJD?Bring the Weiners?
There's always going to be some pooled resources, fire depts are not profit making entities, while commerce is. We support the Post Office though it's a money losing entity, license bureaus etc. It seems that the socialist party wants to control everything, or wants a giant share of it.
Posted by grassman on Jan. 06 2016,3:22 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 06 2016,3:17 pm)
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There's always going to be some pooled resources, fire depts are not profit making entities, while commerce is.
Not on the surface.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 06 2016,3:51 pm
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WWJD?
Bring the Weiners?
Bring the Weiners?
I have wondered for a longggg time what Bible you read.
SB
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There's always going to be some pooled resources, fire depts are not profit making entities, while commerce is.
Exactly, pooled resources (tax money) for some things, and privately owned business for others. Pooled resources = socialistic.
Fire Departments- Socialistic
Police Departments-Socialistic
Public Schools - Socialistic
Social Security
There are tons of great things which benefit every person in this country in many ways that are actually socialistic.
You and a couple others in here have your heads stuck in the big bad antiquated version of socialism.
SB
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We support the Post Office though it's a money losing entity,
We've discussed on the forum before WHY the post office has money problems.
SB
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It seems that the socialist party wants to control everything, or wants a giant share of it.
You're still not checking into anything we say or post in here. Almost funny how you get so worked up over the government having too much control over business, but don't seem to care even a little that certain businesses have way too much control over the government.
Tell ya one thing, the way things have been going for a long time now in this country isn't working.
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 06 2016,4:11 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 06 2016,9:24 am)
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I don't know what self exitance is.
Here's what I think our biggest and most dire problems are:
1) Constant meddling with other countries.
2) Water shortages and many other environmental problems. (Not just in the US but all over the world)
3) Almost total corruption in pretty much every part of our government and our national mainstream media.
I know we have other problems, but these three are what I consider our worst.
Stardust, for quite awhile I thought SB was just being stubbornly ignorant, and it's been pretty obvious he wants to remain ignorant, otherwise he'd be actually paying attention to the information being posted in the forum. Then I started thinking, maybe he's suffering from some sort of strain of affluenze (Like that Ethan Couch kid) . I figured maybe that's why SB never seems to be upset by any wrong doing of any of the elite, but full of anger and hatred for the poor.
Maybe he's an ignorant sociopath suffering from affluenza.
Here's what I think our biggest and most dire problems are:
1) Constant meddling with other countries.
2) Water shortages and many other environmental problems. (Not just in the US but all over the world)
3) Almost total corruption in pretty much every part of our government and our national mainstream media.
I know we have other problems, but these three are what I consider our worst.
Stardust, for quite awhile I thought SB was just being stubbornly ignorant, and it's been pretty obvious he wants to remain ignorant, otherwise he'd be actually paying attention to the information being posted in the forum. Then I started thinking, maybe he's suffering from some sort of strain of affluenze (Like that Ethan Couch kid) . I figured maybe that's why SB never seems to be upset by any wrong doing of any of the elite, but full of anger and hatred for the poor.
Maybe he's an ignorant sociopath suffering from affluenza.
Looked up "exitance". Something to do with escaping radiation. Another reason to keep distance between some folks on this page.
You list some serious problems in the world. It appears paranoid locals are worried about their ammo and guns, not society as a whole.
It could be affluenza that is sickening our culture. I see it more as some folks enjoy sticking it to others, the pervasive bully syndrome, that pile of chips on the shoulder giving people excuses to be cruel, insensitive. Thus we have the Rise of Trumpies, long brooding in their caves filled with weapons, bigotry, hatred.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2016,4:49 pm
^^pervasive bully? How about pervasive moron? Tough day slinging lattes?Bigotry, hatred,
How about just being sick of being taxed into oblivion.
As far as keeping your distance? I think that's the only good idea you've ever come up with
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 06 2016,7:04 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 06 2016,3:51 pm)
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SB
I have wondered for a longggg time what Bible you read.
SB
Exactly, pooled resources (tax money) for some things, and privately owned business for others. Pooled resources = socialistic.
Fire Departments- Socialistic
Police Departments-Socialistic
Public Schools - Socialistic
Social Security
There are tons of great things which benefit every person in this country in many ways that are actually socialistic.
You and a couple others in here have your heads stuck in the big bad antiquated version of socialism.
SB
We've discussed on the forum before WHY the post office has money problems.
SB
You're still not checking into anything we say or post in here. Almost funny how you get so worked up over the government having too much control over business, but don't seem to care even a little that certain businesses have way too much control over the government.
Tell ya one thing, the way things have been going for a long time now in this country isn't working.
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WWJD?
Bring the Weiners?
Bring the Weiners?
I have wondered for a longggg time what Bible you read.
SB
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There's always going to be some pooled resources, fire depts are not profit making entities, while commerce is.
Exactly, pooled resources (tax money) for some things, and privately owned business for others. Pooled resources = socialistic.
Fire Departments- Socialistic
Police Departments-Socialistic
Public Schools - Socialistic
Social Security
There are tons of great things which benefit every person in this country in many ways that are actually socialistic.
You and a couple others in here have your heads stuck in the big bad antiquated version of socialism.
SB
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We support the Post Office though it's a money losing entity,
We've discussed on the forum before WHY the post office has money problems.
SB
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It seems that the socialist party wants to control everything, or wants a giant share of it.
You're still not checking into anything we say or post in here. Almost funny how you get so worked up over the government having too much control over business, but don't seem to care even a little that certain businesses have way too much control over the government.
Tell ya one thing, the way things have been going for a long time now in this country isn't working.
Please show me how an economic asset such as police, fire; et al are socialistic in nature?
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I have wondered for a longggg time what Bible you read.
I have always loved the "how christian of you" argument BS, as if this is somehow to place some sort of guilt trip. How is forcing someone to part with part of their income to supplement another persons income christian like?
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You and a couple others in here have your heads stuck in the big bad antiquated version of socialism.
You and a couple others in here have your heads stuck in the big bad antiquated version of socialism.
The definition of socialism has always remained the same regardless of how many years have past since its disgraceful inception.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 06 2016,8:06 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 06 2016,4:49 pm)
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^^pervasive bully? How about pervasive moron? Tough day slinging lattes?
Bigotry, hatred,
How about just being sick of being taxed into oblivion.
As far as keeping your distance? I think that's the only good idea you've ever come up with
Bigotry, hatred,
How about just being sick of being taxed into oblivion.
As far as keeping your distance? I think that's the only good idea you've ever come up with
Almost funny how you get so worked up over the government having too much control over business, but don't seem to care even a little that certain businesses have way too much control over the government.
Tell ya one thing, the way things have been going for a long time now in this country isn't working.
GD
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Please show me how an economic asset such as police, fire; et al are socialistic in nature?
Money taken in as taxes from everyone and used for the good of everyone instead of a few? Socialistic.
What exactly is an economic asset? This is the only definition I could find on that term:
Definition:
Economic assets are entities functioning as stores of value and over which ownership rights are enforced by institutional units, individually or collectively, and from which economic benefits may be derived by their owners by holding them, or using them, over a period of time (the economic benefits consist of primary incomes derived from the use of the asset and the value, including possible holding gains/losses, that could be realised by disposing of the asset or terminating it).
GD:
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I have always loved the "how christian of you" argument BS, as if this is somehow to place some sort of guilt trip. How is forcing someone to part with part of their income to supplement another persons income christian like?
Did I say anything about in that statement about forcing someone to supplement another persons income? I was referring to his VERY unchristian like attitude towards pretty much anyone in need of anything.
Tell ya what GD, let's play a game. I'll look up bible messages throughout the bible which talk about helping others or being kind. You look up bible messages talking about NOT helping others. Let's see who can find the most.
GD
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The definition of socialism has always remained the same regardless of how many years have past since its disgraceful inception
Yes, and you so nicely copy/pasted the dictionary definition of socialism. And then completely ignored every single bit of information before and after that others have put in here explaining to you what the Sanders democratic socialism is. And it's absolutely nothing like your dictionary quote.
Let me know when you wanna start our bible search game.
Stardust, I had looked up the definition for exitance too! I thought maybe it was some sort of new slang or something.
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 06 2016,11:58 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 06 2016,8:06 pm)
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Did I say anything about in that statement about forcing someone to supplement another persons income? I was referring to his VERY unchristian like attitude towards pretty much anyone in need of anything.
Tell ya what GD, let's play a game. I'll look up bible messages throughout the bible which talk about helping others or being kind. You look up bible messages talking about NOT helping others. Let's see who can find the most.
Tell ya what GD, let's play a game. I'll look up bible messages throughout the bible which talk about helping others or being kind. You look up bible messages talking about NOT helping others. Let's see who can find the most.
Bible bangers turn on their false Christian beliefs somwhere around mid-morning Sunday in some brick & mortar building, then quickly change channels around noon to something their true ethics are more comfortable with--- Suspicion, Contempt, Bigotry, Money Game, FOX, Elitism Now.
There always has been impoverished people, always will be. Poverty is not cancerous, it's a symptom of sickness in society.
As was said prior forcing empathy upon others is useless. Artificial empathy among people (Jobs, Gates, Carnegies, religious tithings) creates false victims and false social idols. Allow thugs and brutes their fifteen minutes of fame. Thorns among the wheat destined to historical judgement.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,4:02 am
I don't get worked up I just long for a replacing of the present system to a consumption tax, I could even tolerate a flat tax.I like you preaching star twink, are you thinking a buying one of the defunct churches around the countryside?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,5:22 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 07 2016,8:32 am
(stardust14 @ Jan. 06 2016,11:58 pm)
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As was said prior forcing empathy upon others is useless. Artificial empathy among people (Jobs, Gates, Carnegies, religious tithings) creates false victims and false social idols. Allow thugs and brutes their fifteen minutes of fame. Thorns among the wheat destined to historical judgement.
You're right, you're right. I've just never understood the lack of empathy or the attitudes that come with it. Especially when it comes to certain Christians. I've read the New Testament. I know the teachings of Jesus. And I've always found it mind-boggling when I encounter certain "christians". I'm not "saved", but I do love Jesus and in my heart, soul and mind, I know that the teachings are the right way to live, not just for a better world, but to be personally happy as well. Also makes me sad for Jesus to see how so many of His so-called followers treat others. Makes me sad for God to see how so many of His so-called children treat every part of His creation. As if everyone else is expendable and everything in nature is only worth as much as the price tag they place on it. "I have Jesus as my Lord and Savior so I'm saved!
the rest of the bible."SB
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I don't get worked up I just long for a replacing of the present system to a consumption tax, I could even tolerate a flat tax.
I just long for a replacing of the present system to a consumption tax, I could even tolerate a flat tax.I said nothing about taxes in my comment. Please read it again and then answer.
SB
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I like you preaching star twink, are you thinking a buying one of the defunct churches around the countryside?
I've heard a lot more wisdom coming from Stardust than I've heard from any minister/preacher/reverand I've ever listened to.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,8:33 am
^^ you're not gonna start dancing with snakes are you?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 07 2016,8:36 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,8:33 am)
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^^ you're not gonna start dancing with snakes are you?
Why? You wanna Tango?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,9:08 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 07 2016,8:36 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,8:33 am)
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^^ you're not gonna start dancing with snakes are you?
Why? You wanna Tango?
I thought it was common knowledge, I'm married.
To a female
From this country
Who speaKs English
Etc etc etc...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 07 2016,9:38 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,9:08 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 07 2016,8:36 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,8:33 am)
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^^ you're not gonna start dancing with snakes are you?
Why? You wanna Tango?
I thought it was common knowledge, I'm married.
To a female
From this country
Who speaKs English
Etc etc etc...
Aw shucks. It's true what they say. "All the good ones are already taken."
While I take the time to get over my disappointment, maybe you could please respond to:
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Almost funny how you get so worked up over the government having too much control over business, but don't seem to care even a little that certain businesses have way too much control over the government.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,10:01 am
^^ because the companies are easier and much more efficient to deal with that the gov.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 07 2016,10:23 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,10:01 am)
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^^ because the companies are easier and much more efficient to deal with that the gov.
This has been put in the forum before. Hopefully you will take the time to read it.
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Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial
independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no
independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of
Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no
independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of
Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.
< https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...doc.pdf >
Some of these corporations we're talking about are the ones pretty much running the show. They own all the major media and they have a revolving door of employees with many areas of government.
You say companies are easier and more efficient to deal with than government. These companies are the ones implementing most of the policies bringing this country down. Same with the banks.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 07 2016,12:29 pm
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Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 07 2016,12:30 pm
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Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 07 2016,12:31 pm
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Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,2:45 pm
< http://newsroom.ucla.edu/release...on-5409 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 07 2016,3:18 pm
^..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,3:58 pm
^^ no, this is from UCLA, a very liberal school.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,4:00 pm
< http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123353276749137485 >< http://fee.org/freeman...ression >
You'll love this one
< https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse >
I like this one best
< http://object.cato.org/sites...ell.pdf >
This is much like Buster pretty much screwing the pooch on our economy, we should have had a hell of a recovery but with his policies and leadership (I just threw up in my mouth a little) we've had dick. Now there's talk of a recession and you might want to take a look at the DJIA for this first week of the year.
I know, I know you're gonna say China's economy is dragging us down but the truth is that a big chunk of the blame goes to Buster and you want a pres with even more hair-brained policies? Wow
How about that Yellan a few weeks ago, raises interest rates in a piss poor economy, I still wonder who told her to do that
Posted by grassman on Jan. 07 2016,4:12 pm
I can understand the collusion part of it to be detrimental to the economy. What competition do we have today? Gas is usually within a cent or two from one station to the next. Cable bills are through the roof, never seen a poor supplier. The competition is a figment of their imagination. They rape at will. They want more money, not a fair price. Regulation has gone out the window. Look what the airline industry is doing. Remember when you could actually make an interest on a savings account? No, corporate has bought the economy, it works for them.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 07 2016,4:43 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 07 2016,9:38 am)
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Aw shucks. It's true what they say. "All the good ones are already taken."
While I take the time to get over my disappointment,[...]
While I take the time to get over my disappointment,[...]
and again.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,5:50 pm
(grassman @ Jan. 07 2016,4:12 pm)
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I can understand the collusion part of it to be detrimental to the economy. What competition do we have today? Gas is usually within a cent or two from one station to the next. Cable bills are through the roof, never seen a poor supplier. The competition is a figment of their imagination. They rape at will. They want more money, not a fair price. Regulation has gone out the window. Look what the airline industry is doing. Remember when you could actually make an interest on a savings account? No, corporate has bought the economy, it works for them.
They're charging what the market will bear, why would they charge any less?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 07 2016,6:16 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jan. 07 2016,4:43 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jan. 07 2016,9:38 am)
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Aw shucks. It's true what they say. "All the good ones are already taken."
While I take the time to get over my disappointment,[...]
While I take the time to get over my disappointment,[...]
and again.You should be so lucky to be as handsome as I am
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 07 2016,7:12 pm
The "free market" is an outdated euphemism. Markets are controlled by what corporations/shareholders decide to pay themselves. Markets are adjusted by digital algorithms which make profits both ways, up or down. Markets are manipulated by insider trading, bogus global trade deals and tariffs, and the complete ignorance of consumers who believe the product purchased is worth dollars spent. Hope the shell game collapses hard next time minus bailouts from tax dollars. Hope Bernie emasulates (if the banks yet have any) Wallstreet and its cut-throat Believers.
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 07 2016,7:45 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,4:02 am)
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are you thinking a buying one of the defunct churches around the countryside?
Defunct in part to the Corporate Worship Hour, millenials with ADS and vagabond social skills.
And we musn't forget mega farming and herds of redneck local drunks.
Cultural poison all.
These same traitors of religion are shocked when non-christian religions thrive. Muslims are not crusaders, merely filling a massive void in Western religion. Capitalism is sucking Christianity dry. Proof is on all channels 24/7.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 08 2016,4:25 am
^^^^ No, markets are controlled by the consumer, they ultimately set prices, prices go too high, the market dries up, low and supplies dry up. Sure the gov tries to control this and to a certain extent they do but if their control is too heavy handed black markets emerge. As far as you buying a church? I guess I'm wrong there, sorry. You seem like you are aspiring to a "higher" position.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 08 2016,5:40 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 07 2016,3:58 pm)
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^^ no, this is from UCLA, a very liberal school.
You'll always find critics of FDR particularity among the elitist oligarchy, the authors you quote are Cato and Hoover Institution associates paid to print tripe for the weak minded to consume as truth..Until you learn to think and reason you'll fall victim to this type of propagandist bologna.
I'll ask you again, if FDR was such a worthless President why was he elected to four terms President of the United States? Do you think the Greatest Generation was stupid or do you think they'd had enough of the Republican blunders that led US to the Great Depression??
We face a similar situation today brought about by that same Republican Party, their union busting, their offshoring our jobs to slave labor countries that we can no way compete, Their continued deregulation of Wall Street and the Big Banks for the Greed of the 1% at the expense of US, their continued clamor for war, nation building, empire expansion..
Republicans love collapse, they strive for it, a chance to kill Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, to undermine the worker, spiral wages down to that of slave nations, eliminate workers rights and safety rules under the guise of deregulation..
Even Adam Smith believed government should play a role in our lives, Ayn Rand who you've quoted many times but you know little about was an atheist, who in her final years jumped at the chance to use Medicare to treat her cancer from self inflected cause (smoking) taking more from the taxpayer than she contributed...
Long story short, greed based Republican Utopian laissez-faire style economy designed to work for a few wealthy leads to a collapse that hurts rather than helps the country as a whole..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 08 2016,5:51 am
He was elected because we were in the middle of a war and propaganda effort to keep him thereCollapse? Yes, very much, programs that should have never seen the light of day like social security and the modern one Bustercare. These are nothing but Ponzi schemes to line the pockets of our gov and to keep them solvent just a little longer.
Will I collect from them? Well considering all the Ching I've stuffed into SS since I was a teenager, you're damned right, every penny I can possibly squeeze, will I get a decent return on my investment?
Posted by grassman on Jan. 08 2016,5:52 am
If you still believe in "fair market" why are the rich getting richer? Packaging in product has changed so many times to fool the consumer. Product for a fair price is gone. Now the model is fleece more than your competition. People today need items to live, they take advantage of it. Consumers are throw aways today because there is ten more coming around the corner. So you believe deception is a good practice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 09 2016,5:33 am
(grassman @ Jan. 08 2016,5:52 am)
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If you still believe in "fair market" why are the rich getting richer? Packaging in product has changed so many times to fool the consumer. Product for a fair price is gone. Now the model is fleece more than your competition. People today need items to live, they take advantage of it. Consumers are throw aways today because there is ten more coming around the corner. So you believe deception is a good practice.
Wow, unbelievable. You act as if half of the country's in dire straits(we aren't but no thanks to our current leadership) yes, it is a fair market, prices are what the market will bear. It seems though that we have distorted markets as a result of the gov feeding welfare, encouraging sign ups, rewarding irresponsible behavior.
The citizens that get out there and hustle a bit, work a few more hours a day, are innovative are the ones that are going to advance. Not everybody's going to be the big winner, there are losers also but this "woe is me I'm poor and disadvantaged" attitude is pathetic. The politicians that prey upon the mindset, near criminal.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 09 2016,6:08 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 09 2016,8:46 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 09 2016,6:08 am)
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Not just bankers should be jailed. I came across thishttps://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-FCIC/pdf/GPO-FCIC.pdf yesterday and started reading. so far I've only read about 100 pages, but wow. You really should read it. Everyone should read it. It explains the steps to deregulation and the people who were pushing for it. It explains the different bad loans the banks were making and why they were making them.
The banks were just creating money making trading material for Wall Street.
The banks were bribing the rating agencies.
When states started getting worried they attempted to check into these banks, and some of the regulating agencies who were SUPPOSED to be overseeing them, threatened the states.
Warnings from all over the place started pouring into the banks, Federal Reserve, regulators, politicians, over ten years before the crash.
Whistleblowers or anyone else bringing attention to the problems and huge catastrophe they saw coming were ridiculed, threatened, fired.
The banks were the ones responsible for the dot com crash by doing the same things they did to create the housing crash.
It really is astounding. Even though I haven't read the whole thing yet, it really is beyond comprehension that a lot of people have not gone to jail for this, and not just bankers should go to jail.
< https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-FCIC/pdf/GPO-FCIC.pdf >
Posted by grassman on Jan. 09 2016,9:16 am
Don't start talking about the corruption,after all it is just capitalism. Now S.B is going to start stammering about market pricing.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 09 2016,9:31 am
^^so you're saying the gov should set prices?Lotsa luck.
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 09 2016,4:44 pm
Transparency would help. At least we'd confirm our suspicions of this Mafia style racket and then hang em in chains. No one---including Obama's SEC---is willing to open the doors. Bernie will at least try.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 09 2016,7:52 pm
(stardust14 @ Jan. 09 2016,4:44 pm)
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Transparency would help. At least we'd confirm our suspicions of this Mafia style racket and then hang em in chains. No one---including Obama's SEC---is willing to open the doors. Bernie will at least try.
Still reading the findings of that Inquiry I posted. Goddamn. The mafia would be jealous of what these guys pulled off and got away with! Freakin mindboggling. Yes, like you said, Bernie would try. He's the only one running who would. I think he'd actually be able to accomplish some things too.
Too bad the media hasn't been more informative to the public about this report....I'm pretty sure if we all had a better grasp on what happened, there would be some people in jail.
This is one of the guys who should be behind bars:
While Henry Paulson was CEO of Goldman Sachs, they did things like this: (With the help of the crooked rating agencies)
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...59.html >
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And a month later, Bush nominates Paulson for Secretary of the Treasury and about a month after his nomination he becomes Treasury Secretary of the United States!!!
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Pretty sad that the Financial Crisis Inquiry has barely mentioned his name. And if you put his name in their official documents search engine only 3 things pop up. In all 3 he's pretty much blaming deregulation and housing for poor people as the biggest problem which resulted in the crash!Blaming the deregulation he worked so hard to get while he worked for Goldman Sachs for so many years!! The bit in the WaPo article I linked to isn't even mentioned in the Inquiry. So far, they've only mentioned certain things from after he left Goldman Sachs.
I don't know if all of this is funny or sad.
Posted by stardust14 on Jan. 10 2016,1:01 am
^^^It's a horror story, no doubt about it. In chains aside Paulson should be Greenspan(he now admits his ineptness and failures), Larry Summers, Ron Bloom, Steven Rattner, Jeffrey Goldstein, Peter Orszag, Bill Clinton, etc. Almost all former Obama financial advisors, many now consulting investment banks which they supposedly once regulated. Obama invited these sewer rats into his "hope & change" government. Now they're back in the sewer with sharper teeth and clever tactics.
There's no shame among these swindlers. Why should there be? No outrage or prosecutions, continued investment by the masses. These creeps know how financially dependent the public has become to investment firms. Their wry condescending smiles say it all. They have an advantage over Mafia gangs---their crimes are legal.
Obama lost me in his failure to deal with Wallstreet. The banks make him look like a school boy. No surprise of the complacent willing public, ringed in the nose and led to slaughter. The Dems long ago joined hands with corrupt banks and financial conservatives on the money train. America is the land of One Party. Trumpies belong. Liberals belong. Fence Walkers belong for sure. Social issues are just a side show.
Where have all the anarchists gone? Long time passing...gone to business school every one. When will they ever learn...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 10 2016,12:16 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 09 2016,9:31 am)
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^^so you're saying the gov should set prices?
Lotsa luck.
Lotsa luck.
Well, it sure shouldn't be these guys:
< http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...0100405 >
If anyone still actually thinks the mainstream national news is trustworthy, just do this
Google search Financial Crisis Inquiry New York Times
then
Financial Crisis Inquiry Washington Post
Financial Crisis Inquiry Time Magazine
etc., etc.
Read what you find from those places (which isn't much and what there is is absolute BS)
Then read everything Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone Magazine has written. I like Matt's writing, he is able to dumb it down enough for me to more easily understand than just reading that commission report.
Stardust:
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In chains aside Paulson should be Greenspan(he now admits his ineptness and failures), Larry Summers, Ron Bloom, Steven Rattner, Jeffrey Goldstein, Peter Orszag, Bill Clinton, etc. Almost all former Obama financial advisors, many now consulting investment banks which they supposedly once regulated. Obama invited these sewer rats into his "hope & change" government. Now they're back in the sewer with sharper teeth and clever tactics.
I completely agree.
Stardust:
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There's no shame among these swindlers. Why should there be? No outrage or prosecutions, continued investment by the masses. These creeps know how financially dependent the public has become to investment firms. Their wry condescending smiles say it all. They have an advantage over Mafia gangs---their crimes are legal.
If the public was better informed they would know how much they are getting swindled by Wall Street. Not all their crimes are legal. Many are not legal at all, and more fall into grey areas. But they keep getting away with it, over and over and over. - Because we the people are not informed well enough. We are barely informed about anything at all.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 10 2016,1:15 pm
Any idea how many paper-only SEC files were lost when 7 WTC collapsed? How convenient.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 10 2016,2:29 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 10 2016,4:47 pm
When one considers stroke lady's record of accomplishment, the skeletons in her and bubba's closet, she should be nervous if a drooling moron is running against her.Oh wait a minute, never mind
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 11 2016,6:02 am
..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 11 2016,6:48 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 11 2016,6:02 am)
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..
Citigroup and JP Morgan are two of the banks mentioned by name quite often in that Financial Crisis Inquiry.
Here are a couple more informative links on these banks and their crimes.
< http://wallstreetonparade.com/2015...rection >
< http://jpmadoff.com/chapter-4/ >
Everything stated in both of these links can be verified easily by google search, and most times the sites have embedded links to click to get to the source of their information. Either national mainstream news or government sites.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 11 2016,6:51 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 10 2016,4:47 pm)
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When one considers stroke lady's record of accomplishment, the skeletons in her and bubba's closet, she should be nervous if a drooling moron is running against her.
Oh wait a minute, never mind
Oh wait a minute, never mind
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 11 2016,7:10 am
@ Rose - the difference between the Gambino Crime Family and JPMorgan Chase - the Mob gave you something for your money, i.e. gambling, prostitution, alcohol, drugs, loan sharking, the Wall Street crowd (Banksters) just ripped off your pension plan and investments at will...and the Republican lackeys clamor for more deregulation and tax cuts for the same crowd...We didn't have to bail out the Mob, we jail them..But the Wall Street Banksters are too big to Jail or fail, it's time to put Bernie Sanders in as President and a return to Glass-Steagall and other economic and tax reforms, we need more regulation of these too big to fail Oligarchy institutes...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 11 2016,9:07 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 11 2016,6:51 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 10 2016,4:47 pm)
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When one considers stroke lady's record of accomplishment, the skeletons in her and bubba's closet, she should be nervous if a drooling moron is running against her.
Oh wait a minute, never mind
Oh wait a minute, never mind
So you're saying there's no difference between stroke lady and Batsh!t,
OK
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 11 2016,10:41 am
^
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 11 2016,11:09 am
I disagree. The Clintons have demonstrated time and again that they will favor big banking interests over those of the American people. If people think that a Hillary Presidency will move us in any sort of positive direction, they might as well dust off those Hope and Change bumper stickers, which is to say they might as well wish in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 11 2016,11:33 am
^^ and if you think Batsh!t's going to promote prosperity with his programs you're at the IQ level of Expat( which is almost my shoe size)
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 11 2016,12:31 pm
Not my point at all, but that didn't stop you from taking another dump on a thread, just because someone else said something.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 11 2016,1:43 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jan. 11 2016,11:09 am)
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I disagree. The Clintons have demonstrated time and again that they will favor big banking interests over those of the American people. If people think that a Hillary Presidency will move us in any sort of positive direction, they might as well dust off those Hope and Change bumper stickers, which is to say they might as well wish in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first.
I agree.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 11 2016,2:01 pm
Sanders chances look better every day, he'll have the nomination by Super Tuesday if WE can keep up the momentum.Should things go south, Clinton is a better alternative than any Republican Candidate, if we stay home Tuesday November 8th and one of these crazy ass tards get in office all of US will suffer more than an election defeat...
According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of Hillary Clinton in Iowa, with Ms. Clinton winning 48 percent and Mr. Sanders winning 45 percent. The poll shows Mr. Sanders leading Ms. Clinton in New Hampshire by 50 percent to 46 percent, while a number of other polls show the Sanders lead in New Hampshire even higher.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 11 2016,2:27 pm
(Expatriate @ Jan. 11 2016,2:01 pm)
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Sanders chances look better every day, he'll have the nomination by Super Tuesday if WE can keep up the momentum.
Should things go south, Clinton is a better alternative than any Republican Candidate, if we stay home Tuesday November 8th and one of these crazy ass tards get in office all of US will suffer more than an election defeat...
According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of Hillary Clinton in Iowa, with Ms. Clinton winning 48 percent and Mr. Sanders winning 45 percent. The poll shows Mr. Sanders leading Ms. Clinton in New Hampshire by 50 percent to 46 percent, while a number of other polls show the Sanders lead in New Hampshire even higher.
Should things go south, Clinton is a better alternative than any Republican Candidate, if we stay home Tuesday November 8th and one of these crazy ass tards get in office all of US will suffer more than an election defeat...
According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of Hillary Clinton in Iowa, with Ms. Clinton winning 48 percent and Mr. Sanders winning 45 percent. The poll shows Mr. Sanders leading Ms. Clinton in New Hampshire by 50 percent to 46 percent, while a number of other polls show the Sanders lead in New Hampshire even higher.
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The Vermont senator also does better than Clinton in hypothetical matchups against Republican candidates in both Iowa and New Hampshire. Sanders beats Donald Trump by 13 points in Iowa, for example, while Clinton has an eight-point advantage over the real estate magnate. In a matchup against Sen. Ted Cruz, Sanders is ahead by five points, while Clinton is down by four. In New Hampshire, Sanders’ lead over Clinton in hypothetical matchups is much clearer. Against Sen. Marco Rubio, for example, Clinton loses by 12 points while Sanders leads him by nine points.
Sanders is using these numbers to challenge Clinton’s contention that she is the best positioned to beat the Republican candidate. “My opponent says this is an important issue; she is the person who can win the general election,” Sanders said recently in Iowa. "I respectfully disagree. Look at which candidate is doing better against Donald Trump. Look at the last national poll and you find that Bernie Sanders is beating Donald Trump by 13 points, Hillary Clinton by seven points.”
Sanders is using these numbers to challenge Clinton’s contention that she is the best positioned to beat the Republican candidate. “My opponent says this is an important issue; she is the person who can win the general election,” Sanders said recently in Iowa. "I respectfully disagree. Look at which candidate is doing better against Donald Trump. Look at the last national poll and you find that Bernie Sanders is beating Donald Trump by 13 points, Hillary Clinton by seven points.”
< http://www.slate.com/blogs...re.html >
I still don't agree with you about Clinton being better than the republicans. We don't just have to keep up the momentum, we have to make sure people vote in the primaries so Sanders can get the nomination. Primary election in Minnesota is August 9. Make sure you keep telling people to vote in the primaries Expat!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 11 2016,4:20 pm
(Expatriate @ Jan. 11 2016,2:01 pm)
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Sanders chances look better every day, he'll have the nomination by Super Tuesday if WE can keep up the momentum.
Should things go south, Clinton is a better alternative than any Republican Candidate, if we stay home Tuesday November 8th and one of these crazy ass tards get in office all of US will suffer more than an election defeat...
According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of Hillary Clinton in Iowa, with Ms. Clinton winning 48 percent and Mr. Sanders winning 45 percent. The poll shows Mr. Sanders leading Ms. Clinton in New Hampshire by 50 percent to 46 percent, while a number of other polls show the Sanders lead in New Hampshire even higher.
Should things go south, Clinton is a better alternative than any Republican Candidate, if we stay home Tuesday November 8th and one of these crazy ass tards get in office all of US will suffer more than an election defeat...
According to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of Hillary Clinton in Iowa, with Ms. Clinton winning 48 percent and Mr. Sanders winning 45 percent. The poll shows Mr. Sanders leading Ms. Clinton in New Hampshire by 50 percent to 46 percent, while a number of other polls show the Sanders lead in New Hampshire even higher.
I don't think it's Batsh!t's momentum, it's stroke lady's continued fall.
Posted by grassman on Jan. 11 2016,4:31 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 11 2016,11:33 am)
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^^ and if you think Batsh!t's going to promote prosperity with his programs you're at the IQ level of Expat( which is almost my shoe size)
Maybe he can put a stop this type of crap. SB you just refuse to recognize that this country has lost all sense of right and wrong. Money, money ,and mo money. Piss on justice.
[B]Texas judge lowers bond for mother of 'affluenza' teen to $75,000[/B]
FORT WORTH, Texas, Jan 11 (Reuters) - A Texas judge on Monday slashed the bond required for a mother charged with helping her teenage son flee to Mexico after he was suspected of violating a probation deal that kept him out of prison following a fatal drunk driving crash.
Judge Wayne Salvant cut the bond for Tonya Couch to $75,000 from the previous $1 million in the felony case accusing her of helping her son Ethan leave the country, a crime that can bring up to 10 years in prison.
The judge also imposed conditions on a release on bond that include being placed on an electronic monitor, drug testing and reporting weekly to authorities.
The son was derided for using a defense of "affluenza" in a trial in juvenile court in 2013 where he was charged with four counts of intoxication manslaughter. A psychiatrist testifying on his behalf contended his family's wealth impaired his judgment to tell right from wrong.
The diagnosis, which is not recognized by the American Psychiatric Association, was widely ridiculed.
Lawyers for Tonya Couch said she could not afford the bail and argued it was excessively high for a person charged with a third degree felony.
In arguing that the bail should remain at $1 million, Tarrant County Assistant District Attorney Kevin Rousseau said, "She has shown she is willing to violate his probation and is willing to do so in a big way."
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 11 2016,4:36 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 11 2016,4:20 pm)
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I don't think
You were finished with that sentence at three words.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 11 2016,6:32 pm
^^ here, try twoPhuk you.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 12 2016,7:15 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 12 2016,7:28 am
Posted by Marneman on Jan. 13 2016,12:05 am
Rooting for Sanders in the Iowa Caucuses. Hoping that the polls are wrong about Hilary and Trump. Well we'll see.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 13 2016,7:39 am
It's good to see crossovers like Marneman and GIL giving Sanders their possible vote, Bernie gained important endorsements yesterday. It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 13 2016,7:41 am
Thanks for staying on point. I only called you out in an effort to do the same, before StinkBox comes in and poops some irrelevant ad-hominem crap.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 13 2016,8:48 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 13 2016,7:39 am)
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It's good to see crossovers like Marneman and GIL giving Sanders their possible vote, Bernie gained important endorsements yesterday.
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
Not sure why I'd be a crossover. I don't belong to, nor subscribe to political parties. I vote person over party, every time. I have voted for Dems and Repubs alike.
I find people who are blind followers of party over person rather naive. As if just because someone has a D or an R next to their name, they are a better candidate and will instantly vote for them over the other party without even looking into the candidate.
Lazy voters.
I see some qualities in both Bernie and Trump that I'd like to see in our next POTUS. I'll be honest here, less in Trump. I've said this before about him, he's a guy you want in your circle cuz he's not a yes man, he'll tell you his opinion on something, but he's a bombastic loud mouth prone to go off at any moment. Not a guy you want leading an organization.
Whereas Sanders on the other hand, I think wears rose colored glasses too often and doesn't see things how they really are in the real world. That's the problem when you've been a career politician. But he has the political insight to navigate the tricky world of politics.
As far Hillary. I seriously don't think there is one thing about her that I like as presidential qualities.
All that being said, I have never been so disconnected/uncaring about a presidential election than I am this year.
I am really sick and tired of this two party system, and they way they go at each like one is really better/different than the other. They both screw over the average joe, one just steals from the front pocket, the other from the back.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 13 2016,9:06 am
(Botto 82 @ Jan. 13 2016,7:41 am)
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Thanks for staying on point. I only called you out in an effort to do the same, before StinkBox comes in and poops some irrelevant ad-hominem crap.
Wow, you're so clever Butt-o
Tell me again about how special you were in school.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 13 2016,9:39 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 13 2016,7:39 am)
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It's good to see crossovers like Marneman and GIL giving Sanders their possible vote, Bernie gained important endorsements yesterday.
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
Moveon.org?
Were they not the organization the offered a $5k reward for dirt on Palin?
So ethical
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 13 2016,9:43 am
See? I rest my earlier case. You could have let that go for a couple of days, and made me look stupid, but no - Pavlov's dog to the rescue. Schrodinger's cat wins again.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 13 2016,9:48 am
^^ aww, I don't need to be here to make you look stupid.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 13 2016,9:57 am
No, you're just here to poop on every thread that doesn't finish off with one of your room-temp-IQ posts.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 13 2016,9:59 am
Tell me again how special you are?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 13 2016,10:13 am
^Again, I rest my case.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 13 2016,10:26 am
^^ you don't seem to be rested More restless than anything
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 14 2016,4:57 am
(Glad I Left @ Jan. 13 2016,8:48 am)
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(Expatriate @ Jan. 13 2016,7:39 am)
QUOTE
It's good to see crossovers like Marneman and GIL giving Sanders their possible vote, Bernie gained important endorsements yesterday.
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
It's now my belief the ball is rolling Sander's will be victorious, we will have a Democratic Socialist President, get used to the idea...
Sanders campaign endorsed by MoveOn.org
< http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article...veonorg >
Not sure why I'd be a crossover. I don't belong to, nor subscribe to political parties. I vote person over party, every time. I have voted for Dems and Repubs alike.
I find people who are blind followers of party over person rather naive. As if just because someone has a D or an R next to their name, they are a better candidate and will instantly vote for them over the other party without even looking into the candidate.
Lazy voters.
I see some qualities in both Bernie and Trump that I'd like to see in our next POTUS. I'll be honest here, less in Trump. I've said this before about him, he's a guy you want in your circle cuz he's not a yes man, he'll tell you his opinion on something, but he's a bombastic loud mouth prone to go off at any moment. Not a guy you want leading an organization.
Whereas Sanders on the other hand, I think wears rose colored glasses too often and doesn't see things how they really are in the real world. That's the problem when you've been a career politician. But he has the political insight to navigate the tricky world of politics.
As far Hillary. I seriously don't think there is one thing about her that I like as presidential qualities.
All that being said, I have never been so disconnected/uncaring about a presidential election than I am this year.
I am really sick and tired of this two party system, and they way they go at each like one is really better/different than the other. They both screw over the average joe, one just steals from the front pocket, the other from the back.
On post 1334 on this thread you said: "Sanders says the right things"... I took that as your possible support for a candidate who is an alternative to politics as usual.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 14 2016,7:14 am
6) "The goal of socialism is communism." -- Vladimir Lenin
Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 14 2016,8:46 am
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On post 1334 on this thread you said: "Sanders says the right things"... I took that as your possible support for a candidate who is an alternative to politics as usual.
I can see why now.
By "says the right things" I meant it more as he says what it takes to get elected. Can he follow through on these things?
I haven't ruled him out though. I will NOT vote for Hillary, that is for sure. None of the repbus have me swayed either. Once again it is possible I will be voting for a Dean Barkley/Bob Barr type candidate. It is really getting old picking from the less stinky turd though.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 17 2016,8:21 am
Sunday, January 17, 2016NBC News Democratic Primary Debate
9pm ET (8pm CT, 6pm PT)
Aired On: NBC
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Moderator: Lester Holt
Candidates: Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 17 2016,10:22 am
^^ once again, when no one's watching
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 17 2016,10:27 am
Oh look at this, typical politician flip flop < http://www.bloomberg.com/politic...-debate >
Your hero Expoop
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 18 2016,5:10 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 18 2016,5:53 am
No one watched, no one cared.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 18 2016,10:40 am
Google Trends, Sander's smoked'em Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 18 2016,12:01 pm
^^ Chuck Todd
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 20 2016,6:11 am
Surge gets stronger, Feel the Bern.. Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 20 2016,8:38 am
^^ yes, he's gaining on a criminal
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 20 2016,8:43 am
More proof conservatives should be medicated.. Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 20 2016,9:28 am
So the politician turned reality TV show star endorses the reality TV star turned politician. Only in
Posted by alcitizens on Jan. 20 2016,10:17 am
Republican Candidates.. < View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 21 2016,6:48 am
< http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...n500431 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 21 2016,7:30 am
You can take politically motivated statements from individuals or you can look at national polls that reflect the peoples choice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 21 2016,8:09 am
^^ oh, I just thought it was hilarious that that twit of a politician was "eating her own"
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 22 2016,5:04 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 22 2016,6:33 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 22 2016,7:00 am
^^More proof, Just when I think you've shown US the depth of your stupidity you post some more tripe that shows we've barely scratched the surface of your idiotic stupidity...I see why you identity with Palin...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 22 2016,7:41 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 22 2016,6:33 am)
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^^
So when any politician does absolutely anything to help citizens it's pandering. When any politician does anything to benefit any of the elite (at the expense of the citizens) it's ... what is it?
Corporate take-over and influence in virtually all government agencies is what?
Keep letting the corporations control things and the whole country is going to turn into Flint Michigan.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 22 2016,11:24 am
^^ if this is what you believe, fine and dandy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 22 2016,12:09 pm
< http://vetsforbernie.org/2016...in-iowa >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 22 2016,1:33 pm
^^...over a crook.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 22 2016,2:20 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 23 2016,5:11 am
< http://youtu.be/hZ0SM3iIv7U >Explains that $15 per Bullsh!t pretty well.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 23 2016,6:03 am
^Because some scab business doesn't want to pay a living wage we taxpayers have to support their employees, i.e. housing, food, healthcare, childcare and other subsides..Don't give me that tired tard line these are all Kids they have to start somewhere. I'm sick of your crony capitalist system making US taxpayers pay, pay, pay...Who is this plutocracy tool Crowder: actor, comedian and former contributor for the Fox News Channel. and just who's paying this turd...
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 23 2016,6:06 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 23 2016,7:10 am
You're worth what you're you're worth, no more. Capitalism is what has made this country and if you don't like it I've offered a few times to pitch in for your one way ticket to wherever.So what are you proposing? Fast food and a lot of other businesses have a razor thin profit margin, pay flunkies $15 per hour? And when the business goes bust, force them to stay open? I know, the gov will subsidize them
I do appreciate your clarifying this socialist issue, if Batsh!t were to actually get the nomination(still a long shot) it'll be easy to tear his blithering apart.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 23 2016,7:30 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 23 2016,8:06 am
^^ wow, could you be any more gullible? And the one before? Marry our fortunes together? Wow, if that doesn't scream socialism
I do like the farm scenes, real workers in this country, sometimes on the farm you don't get paid, did you know that? Sometimes a farmer just has to grit it out. But I suppose you want gov run farms too.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 23 2016,2:32 pm
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And the one before? Marry our fortunes together? Wow,
Could you be any stupider, it's Simon & Garfunkel - America,
I'm sure someone raised on heehaw music never heard of them..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 23 2016,2:41 pm
^^who gives a rats ass?Aren't they canadian
The proper phrase would be "more stupid" but I'm guessing as you creep up there in age those synaptic receptors aren't what they used to be.
Try this...
Research on eggplant has focused on an anthocyanin phytonutrient found in eggplant skin called nasunin. Nasunin is a potent antioxidant and free radical scavenger that has been shown to protect cell membranes from damage. In animal studies, nasunin has been found to protect the lipids (fats) in brain cell membranes. Cell membranes are almost entirely composed of lipids and are responsible for protecting the cell from free radicals, letting nutrients in and wastes out, and receiving instructions from messenger molecules that tell the cell which activities it should perform.
Then again, having an IQ slightly larger than my shoe size isn't helping you.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 24 2016,1:16 am
What isn't helping is this constant insistence that the Republican way is the only path to prosperity for this great nation. Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 24 2016,6:26 am
^Reagan's Director of the Office of Management and Budget has even admitted it's Republican Policy that's OUR problem.But every Republican candidate is essentially pushing a platform based on trickle-down failed economics.
@ SB-stupid, stupider, stupidest all apply in your situation, you eggplant eating fruit.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2016,6:40 am
(Botto 82 @ Jan. 24 2016,1:16 am)
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What isn't helping is this constant insistence that the Republican way is the only path to prosperity for this great nation.
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Yes but yours and especially Exlax's insistence to throw " the baby out with the bath water" socialism ideas are insane. This route will have us looking like Venezuala in a few years, even Russia.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 24 2016,6:55 am
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2016,7:01 am
^^ sounds like union workers, all the money, none of the risk. Oops, let's put that here and go get some more coffee
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 24 2016,7:12 am
^Stupid, stupider, stupidest take your pick grammar wiz...You've once again proven the Republican party is pathetically based on the collective wisdom of individual ignorance..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2016,8:02 am
^^did you like being lead around by the nose being a union boy?Socialism and unions, proving there a folks in this world that can't think for themselves and don't have fortitude to make it on their own.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 24 2016,8:46 am
(Expatriate @ Jan. 24 2016,6:26 am)
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^Reagan's Director of the Office of Management and Budget has even admitted it's Republican Policy that's OUR problem.
But every Republican candidate is essentially pushing a platform based on trickle-down failed economics.
@ SB-stupid, stupider, stupidest all apply in your situation, you eggplant eating fruit.
But every Republican candidate is essentially pushing a platform based on trickle-down failed economics.
@ SB-stupid, stupider, stupidest all apply in your situation, you eggplant eating fruit.
Yeah, the guys a genius. Fed indicted this guy 22 years after resigning from the Reagan administration for fraud and also faced civil charges by the SEC.
But then you libs love your criminals, right?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 24 2016,9:15 am
(Self-Banished @ Jan. 24 2016,6:40 am)
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(Botto 82 @ Jan. 24 2016,1:16 am)
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What isn't helping is this constant insistence that the Republican way is the only path to prosperity for this great nation.
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Yes but yours and especially Exlax's insistence to throw " the baby out with the bath water" socialism ideas are insane. This route will have us looking like Venezuala in a few years, even Russia.
Really? Because your way is PROVEN not to work, but hang on to it anyway, because 'socialism'?
Eisenhower and FDR were pretty socialist. The country looked pretty good then. It wasn't until the Trickle Down Syndrome Morons took over that real problems crept in.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 24 2016,9:17 am
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Yeah, the guys a genius. Fed indicted this guy 22 years after resigning from the Reagan administration for fraud and also faced civil charges by the SEC.
What did you expect he's a republican, and a Reagan era tard at that, they like to make their money the old fashion way, swindle some rube like you..
Obviously something Stockman learned working for Reagan, the presidency of Ronald Reagan was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration
And you tards look at Reagan as some kind of neocon saint...It really doesn't change the fact that Republican trickle down Policy is OUR problem, or that every Republican candidate is essentially pushing more of the same trickle-down failed economics.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2016,9:41 am
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What isn't helping is this constant insistence that the Republican way is the only path to prosperity for this great nation.
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Exactly when are they going to deliver on that promise?
Yes but yours and especially Exlax's insistence to throw " the baby out with the bath water" socialism ideas are insane. This route will have us looking like Venezuala in a few years, even Russia.
Really? Because your way is PROVEN not to work, but hang on to it anyway, because 'socialism'?
Eisenhower and FDR were pretty socialist. The country looked pretty good then. It wasn't until the Trickle Down Syndrome Morons took over that real problems crept in.
FDR good? He kept in a depression for far longer than we had to be.
< http://newsroom.ucla.edu/release...on-5409 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 24 2016,12:46 pm
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 24 2016,2:32 pm
All y'all screaming SOCIALISM better stay off the Interstate Highway System, then.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2016,2:52 pm
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All y'all screaming SOCIALISM better stay off the Interstate Highway System, then.
No, I pay very dearly for the roads I drive on
It's a bit out of line but it fits your post perfectly
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 25 2016,4:13 am
Possibility of a monkey wrench?< http://www.nytimes.com/2016...ml?_r=0 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 25 2016,6:11 am
it's too late for Bloomberg we're one week out from Iowa...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 25 2016,6:58 am
^^it's too late for Batsh!t too
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 26 2016,5:08 am
< http://www.commdiginews.com/politic...d-55328 >I hear Batsh!t's going to be in town today, what venue? Target Center? Excel Center? Mpls convention center?
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 26 2016,5:15 am
^LOL, a Blogger with two hundred followers, stinkbox posts another stinker link...< https://plus.google.com/102452806557572376699 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 26 2016,5:55 am
^^ oh love canal, long haulers a little rough with you last night?You didn't answer the venue question, I figure you to know.
If you go and ask real nice Batsh!t might give you a pair of freshly soiled underwear.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 26 2016,7:03 am
CNN Democratic Presidential Town Hall (January 25, 2016) Posted by Marneman on Jan. 27 2016,1:21 am
Less than a week to go in Iowa and Mr. Sanders is still ahead in the polls. Considering he was supposed to be a "token" canidate (so some pundits claim) so that the "annoited one" Mrs. Clinton could claim she didn't run unopposed, he's doing quite well. I'm hoping the polls are correct in this case and that the Clinton camp dosen't do any last minute dirty tricks to screw Sanders over. For some reason Clinton still dosen't get it that not everyone loves her or trust her.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 27 2016,9:06 am
Change is Bad. Signed, Old People Everywhere
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2016,5:17 am
I see Batsh!t has a new endorsement.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 28 2016,6:52 am
Minnesota allows for online voter registration, you can check to make sure you're register also...Bernie can't win without US.. < https://mnvotes.sos.state.mn.us/voterre...p1.aspx >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2016,7:18 am
^^ doorknob You can register at the poll
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 28 2016,9:14 am
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CNN Democratic Presidential Town Hall (January 25, 2016)
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Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 28 2016,11:05 am
Media bias makes me sick. News outlets cherry-picking their headlines and stories and other out-of-context crap, for fear of pissing off monied corporations and individuals, and possibly losing sponsors as a result. I imagine this trend started in the 50's, when Ed Murrow was about to go after McCarthy, and his lead sponsor got wind of this and pulled their ads. Murrow and Fred Friendly ultimately paid for the commercial slots, they felt the story was that compelling.
KAAL's Dan Conradt did a story on how Courtesy Corporation-McDonald's bought the two stores in Austin, and fired practically everyone. No controversy was indicated. It was simply a man=on-the-street piece about people who had suddenly become unemployed.
That story had only aired once, before Mcourtesy and Hubbard lawyers were talking to one another. No further trace or reference to this story could be found on-air, or on-line. The decision to embargo our own story was made before the 5pm show was off the air.
The Austin Daily Herald has shown on many occasions that it is fearful of stepping on certain toes. Online commentary bad-mouthing anything Hormel or local government, and *poof* What comment..?
The Fishwrap seems to do things a little differently, which is somewhat surprising, since it, too is a Boone Newspaper. Wingnuts publish letter after letter, and, seemingly no matter WHO you are, if you get convicted of Jaywalking, it makes the paper.
It's okay to have an editorial viewpoint. Most news organizations do. But don't frame that bias up as 'News' and try to pass it off as unbiased reporting.
I've known about The Clinton News Network for about a year or so. I can just picture the CNN newsroom - a bunch of AP's and interns that got moist at the thought of putting a woman - any woman - in the White House, and Hillary looked like a pretty safe bet. Fine if you feel that way, but keep it out of your effing reporting. Signed, an old assistant news director.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2016,6:17 pm
Notice the really old fossil politician in this vid< http://youtu.be/UEihkjKNhN8 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 29 2016,5:39 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 29 2016,5:59 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2016,6:15 am
Promising kids sunshine and rainbows, making them feel like victims. What a POS.Raising taxes on the rich AND the middle class, at least we'll be recession proof, depressions are much nicer.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 29 2016,6:48 am
^Posting your opinion only shows your partisan bias stupidity..try some facts once in a while dumbo...
< https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/ >
< https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ >
< https://berniesanders.com/issues... >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2016,6:53 am
^^ you've been posting your bipartisan stupidity for longer than I care to remember.The pot calling the kettle black, wow
I read through the last link, wow, economic Armageddon.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 29 2016,7:01 am
What should have been hours of reading documentation on Sanders plan takes you five minutes to respond, proving you've never even looked at it...Tard quote:
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^^ you've been posting your bipartisan stupidity for longer than I care to remember.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2016,7:07 am
As I said, economic Armageddon.I've read through this crap you post time and time again, same sh!t, same lunacy, different links.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 29 2016,2:37 pm
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What should have been hours of reading documentation on Sanders plan takes you five minutes to respond, proving you've never even looked at it...
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I've read through this crap you post time and time again, same sh!t, same lunacy, different links.
It's more than obvious to anyone who actually is paying attention to the information being posted in the forum that you absolutely do not read through anything being linked to. Otherwise you wouldn't be tossing out the nonsense that you do.
Economic Armageddon?
This is from the link you supposedly got your idea on Economic Armaggedon:
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Today, we lose over $100 billion a year in revenue because the wealthy stash their cash in offshore tax havens around the world. That is unacceptable.
If we are serious about reforming the tax code and rebuilding the middle class, we have got to demand that the wealthiest Americans and largest corporations pay their fair share in taxes.
Sen. Sanders’ tax reform plan accomplishes that goal by closing loopholes that benefit the wealthy and well connected, making the tax code more progressive, and establishing a tax on Wall Street speculators whose greed, recklessness and illegal behavior nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago.
1. REFORMING THE CORPORATE TAX CODE
In 2010, the effective tax rate of large, profitable corporations in the U.S. was only 12.6 percent, not the 35 percent nominal tax Republicans and corporate tax lobbyists complain about.
In 1953, the corporate income tax accounted for 32 percent of all federal revenue. Today, despite record-breaking profits, corporate income taxes only bring in 11 percent of total federal revenue.
Even worse, several large corporations in recent years have exploited so many loopholes in the tax code that they have paid nothing in federal income taxes and have actually received tax rebates from the IRS.
For example, if you add up all of the taxes that General Electric, Boeing, and Verizon paid from 2008-2013 it adds up to less than zero. Amazingly, these three corporations actually received a tax rebate from the IRS of more than $4.1 billion over this six-year period, even though they made a combined profit of more than $102 billion. If your total federal income taxes over this period totaled more than $1, you paid more income taxes than three of the most profitable corporations in the U.S.
If we are serious about reforming the tax code and rebuilding the middle class, we have got to demand that the wealthiest Americans and largest corporations pay their fair share in taxes.
Sen. Sanders’ tax reform plan accomplishes that goal by closing loopholes that benefit the wealthy and well connected, making the tax code more progressive, and establishing a tax on Wall Street speculators whose greed, recklessness and illegal behavior nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago.
1. REFORMING THE CORPORATE TAX CODE
In 2010, the effective tax rate of large, profitable corporations in the U.S. was only 12.6 percent, not the 35 percent nominal tax Republicans and corporate tax lobbyists complain about.
In 1953, the corporate income tax accounted for 32 percent of all federal revenue. Today, despite record-breaking profits, corporate income taxes only bring in 11 percent of total federal revenue.
Even worse, several large corporations in recent years have exploited so many loopholes in the tax code that they have paid nothing in federal income taxes and have actually received tax rebates from the IRS.
For example, if you add up all of the taxes that General Electric, Boeing, and Verizon paid from 2008-2013 it adds up to less than zero. Amazingly, these three corporations actually received a tax rebate from the IRS of more than $4.1 billion over this six-year period, even though they made a combined profit of more than $102 billion. If your total federal income taxes over this period totaled more than $1, you paid more income taxes than three of the most profitable corporations in the U.S.
Economic Armageddon? Seriously? Ok, hey, if you're thinking that if these companies are actually forced to pay the taxes they are SUPPOSED to, that they will leave.... fine. Let them leave. Others can take their place.
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Raising taxes on the rich AND the middle class, at least we'll be recession proof, depressions are much nicer.
Just more proof you aren't reading the information being posted. Taxes will not be raised on the middle class. Stop believing and spreading the lies you're listening to. Instead, how about you start actually reading and watching the true information posted in the forum.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2016,4:04 pm
^^ that's just fine and dandy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2016,4:00 am
Free college , free med, etc. etc. etc. just where does this money come from?< http://www.politico.com/story...-215958 >
I can just see the tax code after an imaginary Batsh!t term with the right congress
< http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archive...ur-mind >
The time and money spent on compliance of this monstrosity is staggering, go to a simple flat tax and our GDP would expand tremendously, not this paltry 2% we have now and the latest figure puts GDP at .07, wtf?
We've had 7 plus years of a stagnat economy, why would we want to add to it by electing a nutjob who'll put us in a financial grave?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2016,5:15 am
Archived StorySanders has jumped parties
Published 9:23am Friday, January 22, 2016
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Back in 2012 (July 25), I wrote an opinion showing how Marxist, socialist and other far-left organizations were working to move the Democratic Party to the left and Obama’s connection to the same. I remember getting a phone call from someone who, among other things, called me a fool.
Today, we have admitted socialist Bernie Sanders running as a Democrat. He jumped from Independent to the Democratic Party, and Democrats didn’t give it a second thought. In New Hampshire Sanders is beating the pantsuit off Hillary.
I know what it’s like to be called a fool, but I wonder what it’s like to be one.
Tom Jacobson
Albert Lea
From the fish wrap
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 30 2016,9:12 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 30 2016,9:21 am
How many right-wingnut cranks does the Fishwrap have on retainer? Or are these nutjobs donating their Pearls of Wisdom for free?
Either way, they're paying too much.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 31 2016,5:04 am
Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday introduced a bill to stop profitable corporations from sheltering income overseas in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes. The legislation also would end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs and factories overseas.Sanders spoke at a Capitol news conference in front of a photo of the notorious Ugland House, the building in the Cayman Islands that is the registered address of more than 18,000 companies. The building has become the symbol of all that is wrong with offshore tax havens.
“At a time when we have a $18.2 trillion national debt and an unsustainable federal deficit; at a time when many of the largest corporations in America are paying no federal income taxes; and at a time when corporate profits are at an all-time high, it is past time for corporate America to pay their fair share in taxes so that we can create the millions of jobs this country needs,” Sanders said.
Eighty-three of the Fortune 100 companies in the United States have used offshore tax havens to lower their taxes, according to the most recent Government Accountability Office study.
Sanders’ bill and a companion measure introduced today in the House by Rep. Jan Schakowsky would yield more than $590 billion in revenue over the next decade, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, Sanders announced the bill introduction during a news conference with groups releasing a report on how the tax shelter loophole has harmed many small businesses.
The bill also would remove tax code incentives for U.S. companies to ship American jobs and factories abroad – tax breaks which have contributed to the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs and the closure of some 60,000 American factories since 2000. “That has also got to change,” Sanders said.
Under current law, U.S. corporations are allowed to defer or delay U.S. income taxes on overseas profits until the money is brought back into the United States. U.S. corporations are also provided foreign tax credits to offset the amount of taxes paid to other countries. Under the legislation, corporations would pay U.S. taxes on their offshore profits as they are earned. The legislation would take away the tax incentives for corporations to move jobs offshore or to shift profits offshore because the U.S. would tax their profits no matter where they are generated.
Sanders was joined at the news conference by Bob McIntyre, executive director of Citizens for Tax Justice, Jamie Woo of Public Interest Research Group, and Bryan McGannon, policy director for the American Sustainable Business Council.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2016,6:16 am
I took a look a Batsh!t's wiki page and like Trump he's never served in the military, hmmm. It also stated that he worked "various jobs" out of college, otherwise he's never held a real job, he's always been in school or in office, another career politician. Trump's held a real job (has done quite well at it) Seems Batsh!t was such a f#ckup that all he could do is work in the public sector.
Ain't that special
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 31 2016,6:32 am
Trump has never had a real job, he waltzed into a family fortune at birth, he's filed bankruptcy five times, F-ing over the rest of US. He's a spoiled rich kid who chants America, yet he's quick to offshore his own production to China or Mexico..What's scary about this guy is his mental instability, his temper tantrums, his over-inflated ego, his bigoted attacks on people, his warmongering. I see why you'd identify with Trump!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2016,7:02 am
^^ you're deflecting, what about Batsh!t's military record, job resume? As compared to Trump? Trump merely took over the reins of his father's business. Fred built a very nice business, Donald made it bigger,. Bankruptcies? It's a tool in business and from the sounds of it it was a restructuring (though I don't expect the monkey that "flips the switch" to understand) . Reading the Wiki page (though I don't put a lot of stock in wiki) it sounds as if Batsh!t was a moron that couldn't hold a regular job.But the question is, why didn't he serve in Vietnam? He was of the right age, he wasn't an only child, he was healthy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 31 2016,12:03 pm
How does Trump go from his first physical for induction from a !-A to 1-Y, something is bogus here.. < http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/trump-draft-deferment?page=0 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2016,2:57 pm
^^no no no, not about Trump, this is a Batsh!t thread. Why did Batsh!t avoid the draft, how did he evade serving in Veitnam dummy?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2016,4:18 pm
< http://www.usnews.com/news...tes-yes >Gotta throw the nutjob a bone.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 31 2016,4:29 pm
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^^no no no, not about Trump, this is a Batsh!t thread. Why did Batsh!t avoid the draft, how did he evade serving in Veitnam dummy?
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Sander's applying for conscientious objector had already been brought up. He applied for conscientious objector and was an activist against the Vietnam War. Just another reason to like him. The Vietnam War was wrong, it was known then and it's known even more now. At least he was open about it and on the lines actually trying to do something to stop what he thought was wrong. Good for him. He's also the only candidate who isn't a war-monger and won't rush head first into more wars or meddle with other countries that will lead to more wars.
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Senator Sanders believes that the test of a great and powerful nation is not how many wars it can engage in, but how it can resolve international conflicts in a peaceful manner.
< https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/ >
That's the kind of leader we need. The rest of the world already pretty much hates us for allowing our leaders to run amok all over the world. Trump or Clinton getting elected sure won't do anything to alleviate those concerns.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2016,7:16 pm
^^what a crock of sh!t! I wanted dumbass to answer my question but you had to step in Roz. Expat was ripping on Trump for a med deferment and Batsh!t pretty much just out and out says no, I won't go. So if a soldier doesn't want to do something he can just say no? Batsh!t bailed and someone else had to take his spot. Jeezus Roz, no wonder Lib picks on you
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jan. 31 2016,7:51 pm
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So if a soldier doesn't want to do something he can just say no? Batsh!t bailed and someone else had to take his spot.
You think saying NO to lying leaders is wrong, but sending innocent US soldiers to die and kill innocent people in foreign lands to further US interests is OK? And you call Bernie Sanders Batshiit?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 31 2016,8:11 pm
Spoiled rich kids getting deferments is the stuff of legends, it's happened so often. Comparing that entitled bunch of brats to coscientious objectors is about as apples and oranges as it gets. When the former gets into power, they invariably go into chickenhawk mode and gleefully run towards whatever War du Jour is being offered. Whether it's Terr'rists or Communists or fugging Boris and Natasha, they're all over it. People that objected to bullcrap wars of the past might be a little less inclined to send our kids into harm's way over some trumped-up (pun intended) imaginary threat, one not waged for the reasons given to the populace.
Posted by Marneman on Feb. 01 2016,12:23 am
Well it's happening! Saw a story on the news feed that the Clinton campaign is resorting to dirty tricks leading into tonights caucuses in Iowa. Apparently there will be out of state Clinton campaign staffers present at some of the caucuses and even if they are from Iowa they are being sent to precincts where they don't live. I'm sure later today there will be some dirty news stories about Sanders leaked to the media also. I like his tax proposal about businesses moving overseas, I thought someone should have done this long ago. If you move your business overseas, tax the crap out of them. Build a new factory here, then get tax breaks!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,5:26 am
^^thing is, building a new factory in this country is difficult and if it doesn't look like a park, damned near impossible. But behold, the socialist mind set, the business with it's job a community property, what a crock!This path some of you folks are set upon is folly and a recipe for disaster, especially considering the present economic woes we're in right now. Sure, lock in the present companies, tell them if they even think of moving they'll be taxed into bankruptcy and become "state" property. Talent makes companies, talent is portable and in today's era of Skype and video conferencing they don't even have to move.
The point is that business, small, large, in between built this country, not gov that built it. This crap of putting the horse before the cart needs to end.
Now as far as Trump getting a deferment and Batsh!t being a coward it doesn't really mean anything except for one wiggled out of it and one turned his back on his country. I just wanted to show Expat how much of a hypocrite he really is.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2016,5:52 am
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^^no no no, not about Trump, this is a Batsh!t thread. Why did Batsh!t avoid the draft, how did he evade serving in Veitnam dummy?
This is a little redundant, I explained this to Lib earlier in this thread, as you seem to be suffering from some type of partisan memory loss I'll repeat it for you.
Conscientious objector status DID NOT keep you from completing your service obligation. If the Selective Service Board deemed you as such which was a difficult status to obtain, you still had to complete your military obligation in one form or another. There was a conscientious objector who won the Medal Of Honor the highest respect bestowed any service member!
There were legitimate deferments to the draft, but conscientious objector didn't defer you from induction.
Take the example of Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) he claimed CO and was drafted, he refused any type of service and was jailed. Bernie Sanders was never drafted, not because of any CO status but the clock timed out for him, to young for Korea to old for Vietnam..
Most of you are decades younger and the only thing you know of Selective Service is you have to register. When the Draft was in full swing during the Vietnam war once you received the Greetings letter from Uncle Sam telling you to appear at the Federal Building in the twin cities, actually they bused you from the local Armory. Once there you would receive a physical and did some basic paperwork, that day you were sent home even if you passed and called to service at the next Physical, you didn't come home from that one, you went to the Marines or the Army, yet somehow Donald Trump's 1-A status changes to a medical deferment on his induction date in 1968 in the height of the Vietnam War , How's that happen??
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,6:12 am
^^so if you chickened out you only had to do a half-assed job, I see.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2016,6:43 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,8:26 am
So Expat says Batsh!t was too old for Vietnam, he was born in 1942, he would have been 20 in 1962, that's about the time things were going in full swing there. 20 is too old?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 01 2016,9:16 am
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thing is, building a new factory in this country is difficult and if it doesn't look like a park, damned near impossible. But behold, the socialist mind set, the business with it's job a community property, what a crock!
For one thing, if companies were to vacate the country if they were actually forced to pay their taxes, (which I highly doubt most would) the factories would remain for others to purchase, and since I still have some optimism left, I can see more honest and more innovative people replacing the trash that leaves.
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But behold, the socialist mind set, the business with it's job a community property, what a crock!
Give us an effing break. For crying out loud man. STOP REPEATING THE LIES AND BULLSHIIT. Damn it's old.
READ AND WATCH WHAT OTHERS POST IN THE FORUM. Doesn't matter how often or how many people try to explain that to you. Doesn't matter how many times anyone posts Bernie Sanders himself explaining it. You just keep repeating "blahblahblah socialist blahblahblah government control blahblahblah community property"
I know this has already been discussed to death in here.
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Far from struggling, most of the companies on the list justified paying their CEOs some 60% more than average big-company CEO by citing "exceptional corporate performance," the study's authors said. Where the average U.S. CEO earned a tidy $10.8 million (that's roughly $5,400 an hour), the CEOs of the biggest tax-dodging companies took home an average of $16.7 million. That translates to roughly $8,350 per hour, or about $66,800 per day.
What companies ranked as the nation's top tax dodgers? According to IPS, the tax-dodging gold medal goes to General Electric, which had a effective federal tax rate of negative 64.1%. The company's pre-tax earnings from U.S. operations were $5.1 billion but it got a stunning $3.2 billion tax refund, according to the report.
Remarkably, that's NOT the lowest tax rate in the survey. International Paper, which earned $198 million in pre-tax profits from U.S. operations and got a $249 million refund, wins that distinction with a negative 125.8% effective federal rate.
But GE beat out the competition by also spending a tidy $41.8 million on lobbying and campaign contributions, while awarding CEO Jeff Immelt a 172% raise. Immelt's total compensation package was worth $15.2 million in 2010, according to the survey. A New York Times expose that ran earlier this year attributed GE's extraordinary ability to cut its corporate taxes to "an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore."
What companies ranked as the nation's top tax dodgers? According to IPS, the tax-dodging gold medal goes to General Electric, which had a effective federal tax rate of negative 64.1%. The company's pre-tax earnings from U.S. operations were $5.1 billion but it got a stunning $3.2 billion tax refund, according to the report.
Remarkably, that's NOT the lowest tax rate in the survey. International Paper, which earned $198 million in pre-tax profits from U.S. operations and got a $249 million refund, wins that distinction with a negative 125.8% effective federal rate.
But GE beat out the competition by also spending a tidy $41.8 million on lobbying and campaign contributions, while awarding CEO Jeff Immelt a 172% raise. Immelt's total compensation package was worth $15.2 million in 2010, according to the survey. A New York Times expose that ran earlier this year attributed GE's extraordinary ability to cut its corporate taxes to "an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore."
(I know this has also already been brought up in the forum but I'm doing it again: Obama appointed Jeff Immelt as chairman of the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness)
< http://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-25-corporate-tax-dodgers/ >
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U.S. companies are looking for all sorts of ways to reduce their tax bill. But scores of big U.S. companies just paid no taxes or effective tax rates of 0%.
< http://www.cnbc.com/2014...es.html >
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Inverters don’t hesitate to take advantage of the great things that make America America: our deep financial markets, our democracy and rule of law, our military might, our intellectual and physical infrastructure, our national research programs, all the terrific places our country offers for employees and their families to live. But inverters do hesitate — totally — when it’s time to ante up their fair share of financial support of our system.
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In the widely hailed 1986 tax reform act, Congress cut the corporate rate to 34 percent (now 35 percent) from 46 percent and closed some loopholes. Corporate America was happy — for a while. Now, with Ireland at 12.5 percent and Britain at 20 percent (or less, if you make a deal), 35 percent is intolerable. Let’s say we cut the rate to 25 percent, the wished-for number I hear bandied about. Other countries are lower, and could go lower still to lure our companies. Is corporate America willing to pay any corporate rate above zero? I wonder.
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In the widely hailed 1986 tax reform act, Congress cut the corporate rate to 34 percent (now 35 percent) from 46 percent and closed some loopholes. Corporate America was happy — for a while. Now, with Ireland at 12.5 percent and Britain at 20 percent (or less, if you make a deal), 35 percent is intolerable. Let’s say we cut the rate to 25 percent, the wished-for number I hear bandied about. Other countries are lower, and could go lower still to lure our companies. Is corporate America willing to pay any corporate rate above zero? I wonder.
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/busines...ry.html >
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People that objected to bullcrap wars of the past might be a little less inclined to send our kids into harm's way over some trumped-up (pun intended) imaginary threat, one not waged for the reasons given to the populace.
I agree.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 01 2016,9:36 am
GRRRRRRRR AND ANOTHER THINGSB
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This path some of you folks are set upon is folly and a recipe for disaster, especially considering the present economic woes we're in right now.
The path that some of us folks are set upon?? Look at the goddamn path we are ALL already on. Economic woes are the least of the looming disasters.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2016,9:59 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,8:26 am)
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So Expat says Batsh!t was too old for Vietnam, he was born in 1942, he would have been 20 in 1962, that's about the time things were going in full swing there. 20 is too old?
Why do you continue with your misinformed partisan bologna, you only make yourself look the fool dumbo..Bernie Sanders was born September 8, 1941, the prime draft age was 19 to 25, a college deferment and a marriage are legitimate deferments.
Now explain to me how Trump who has passed his draft physical given to him by Military Doctors, rated 1-A, on his induction date gets a medical deferment in 1968 at the height of the Vietnam War.
Trump is closer to my age than Bernie..
Chicken Hawks like Trump and Cruz who beat the war drums and talk the talk but don't have the balls to walk the walk piss me off to no end..include yourself in that group..idgit
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,10:09 am
^^ExPlain Trump, I don't know, I wasn't there at the physical, were you??Born in 1941? So he was 20-25 from 1961 to 1966, funny how that math thing works.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,10:16 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 01 2016,9:36 am)
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GRRRRRRRR AND ANOTHER THING
SB
The path that some of us folks are set upon?? Look at the goddamn path we are ALL already on. Economic woes are the least of the looming disasters.
SB
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This path some of you folks are set upon is folly and a recipe for disaster, especially considering the present economic woes we're in right now.
The path that some of us folks are set upon?? Look at the goddamn path we are ALL already on. Economic woes are the least of the looming disasters.
I am looking at the goddamned path we're on, and the people you want in office want to make it worse.
Economic woes are the least of our concerns? What woes are you talking about?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2016,1:48 pm
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 01 2016,1:51 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,10:16 am)
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I am looking at the goddamned path we're on, and the people you want in office want to make it worse.
Economic woes are the least of our concerns? What woes are you talking about?
Economic woes are the least of our concerns? What woes are you talking about?
What problems have I talked about already? For one thing, water shortages. How long before our water problems become critical? Isn't going to matter what sort of shape your economy is in when that happens. Know what things will quickly become like once the water shortages hit critical? Don't be thinking your corporate gods are gonna help you out with anything.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,3:22 pm
^^ water shortages?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 01 2016,4:25 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,3:22 pm)
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^^ water shortages?
What? You don't see it as a problem? Or ... let me guess ... you never checked into any of the information being put in the forum about it. Sanders is the only one with balls and passion enough to do something about it right away and not let "corporate interests" kill any plans.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2016,6:19 pm
What's next, climate change?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 01 2016,11:27 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,6:19 pm)
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What's next, climate change?
Wow, you seriously don't believe any of the information about the water shortages and looming shortages? I completely understand why some people don't believe in man-made climate change, that's why I try to stay far away from that topic when talking about the environment, but you honestly think the water shortage information is in the same league with climate change??
Just...wow.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 02 2016,1:00 am
The Hillary Wallstreet lubricated machine nearly run off the road by Bernie in Iowa. Nice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2016,4:19 am
Yeah, Batsh!t almost beat a criminal
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2016,4:25 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 01 2016,11:27 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,6:19 pm)
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What's next, climate change?
Wow, you seriously don't believe any of the information about the water shortages and looming shortages? I completely understand why some people don't believe in man-made climate change, that's why I try to stay far away from that topic when talking about the environment, but you honestly think the water shortage information is in the same league with climate change??
Just...wow.
I put about as much stock into it as the 911 conspiracy.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 02 2016,5:35 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,3:22 pm)
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^^ water shortages?
You don't pay attention do you. If you would put your propaganda sources aside for a little while, take a breath of fresh air and look around, you might see something.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2016,5:50 am
(grassman @ Feb. 02 2016,5:35 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,3:22 pm)
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^^ water shortages?
You don't pay attention do you. If you would put your propaganda sources aside for a little while, take a breath of fresh air and look around, you might see something.
The same might apply to you
Also, tell your wife I not interested.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 02 2016,6:04 am
Well if you want to talk about wives... how's your's doin?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 02 2016,6:48 am
Hillary Clinton 49.89 % Bernie Sanders 49.54 %
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2016,9:02 am
^^yep, he almost beat a criminal.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2016,10:03 am
(grassman @ Feb. 02 2016,6:04 am)
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Well if you want to talk about wives... how's your's doin?
You need to stop that, someone will lose an eye then there'll be hell to pay.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 02 2016,11:06 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 02 2016,4:25 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 01 2016,11:27 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2016,6:19 pm)
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What's next, climate change?
Wow, you seriously don't believe any of the information about the water shortages and looming shortages? I completely understand why some people don't believe in man-made climate change, that's why I try to stay far away from that topic when talking about the environment, but you honestly think the water shortage information is in the same league with climate change??
Just...wow.
I put about as much stock into it as the 911 conspiracy.
Aquifers provide us freshwater that makes up for surface water lost from drought-depleted lakes, rivers, and reservoirs. We are drawing down these hidden, mostly nonrenewable groundwater supplies at unsustainable rates in the western United States and in several dry regions globally, threatening our future.
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Groundwater comes from aquifers—spongelike gravel and sand-filled underground reservoirs—and we see this water only when it flows from springs and wells. In the United States we rely on this hidden—and shrinking—water supply to meet half our needs, and as drought shrinks surface water in lakes, rivers, and reservoirs, we rely on groundwater from aquifers even more. Some shallow aquifers recharge from surface water, but deeper aquifers contain ancient water locked in the earth by changes in geology thousands or millions of years ago. These aquifers typically cannot recharge, and once this "fossil" water is gone, it is gone forever—potentially changing how and where we can live and grow food, among other things.
< http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news...-crisis >
The Texas law allowed billionaire oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens to sell trillions of gallons of Ogallala Aquifer water beneath 211,000 acres surrounding his majestic Mesa Vista ranch, in Roberts County, near the Texas-Oklahoma border. In 2011, the now 85-year-old sold his water rights for $103 million to 11 water-impoverished cities nearby, including Lubbock and Amarillo.
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In the ghostly town of Earth, the Dairy Queen is pockmarked as if in a war zone. Tiny Lockney -- population 1,900 and running out of water - recently had to buy 82 acres of nearby Ogallala-fed land for $605,000. In Plainview, the double dose of drought and the diminishing Ogallala caused the closing of the Cargill beef-processing plant, eliminating 2,000 jobs.
< http://www.nbcnews.com/news...n146836 >
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Water scarcity isn’t just affecting residents in Lockney or in Wichita Falls, whose council is crafting Stage 5 drought restrictions for a city that already has banned outdoor watering. All the major cities in West Texas — Lubbock, Midland, Odessa, San Angelo and Abilene — are under some kind of water restrictions.
But it’s hardly a West Texas phenomenon.
About 25 percent of the 4,600 public water systems in Texas have implemented some form of restrictions to curb use and conserve water. And yet, there are more than 30 water systems across the state in danger of running out of water within 90 days.
One in four of those are within 75 miles of Lubbock.
The cities near Lubbock facing possible water shortages are Amherst, Crosbyton, Dickens, Lockney, Post and Spur.
“I don’t know of a city in West Texas that doesn’t have the same problem that we have,” said Margot Hardin, Crosbyton city administrator.
< http://amarillo.com/news...ortages >
Even in Minnesota:
Soon, the problem could spread beyond White Bear Lake. If the Twin Cities metro area grows by half a million people over the next two decades, at current rates of water use, whole sections of the Twin Cities’ aquifers will drop by half, even with normal rainfall, hydrologists say. At that point, state regulators would shut down the pumps to protect what’s left. Even if water use drops by 30 percent over the next decade, there would still be problems in some parts of the metro area, said Ali Elhassan, water supply manager for the Metropolitan Council.
“People plan for the future,” he said. “Well, the future is now.”
< http://www.startribune.com/state-d...2783461 >
Really SB? No water problems?
Stardust:
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The Hillary Wallstreet lubricated machine nearly run off the road by Bernie in Iowa. Nice.
Yay Bernie!!
Posted by grassman on Feb. 02 2016,11:51 am
I sure hope they investigate the legalities for draining out of the Mississippi River before they get too involved. I don't think downstreamers or shipping will appreciate it.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 02 2016,11:51 am
Coin tosses decide more than one Iowa Democrat caucus...in favor of Hillary. Oh, the levels of irony!Nothing's changed. Money chooses Hillary once more.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 03 2016,11:07 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2016,1:26 pm
^^wow, I actually clicked on your vid and started watching till I saw it was Colbert. Comedians always get to pick at politics till it goes too far or the get caught in a bit of hypocrisy then their excuse is, "I'm just a comedian" or "it's just a joke". A license to kill.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2016,1:36 pm
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 03 2016,11:34 pm
Let's be honest. The only people voting for this guy are people who want others to pay for their free sh!t and those who think they're voting for Larry David.
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 04 2016,1:17 am
^Most people realize that "stuff" isn't free. We pay it at the gas pump, license tabs, county property tax, state, and federal taxes. If anything we should raise the gas tax to fund infrastructure, some of us realize that the alternative will be seeing more bridges collapse and trains crash due to budget cuts. Oh, and those wars we put on a credit card are getting costly, we'll have to raise income, estate, and/or capital gains taxes to pay for it. Don't like it? Neither do I, but basic math and two centuries of history show that's the only way the budget will get balanced. It's how every other war since the Civil War has been paid for.
Posted by Marneman on Feb. 04 2016,2:54 am
Well I called it. Got home monday morning, turned on the news, and saw them interviewing Sen. Sanders and his wife. First question,"what is your response to Hilary Clinton's campaign alleging your use of dirty tricks here in Iowa?". Sen. Sanders and his wife laughed the question off, but it just proves how desperate Mrs. Clinton has become.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,5:44 am
(irisheyes @ Feb. 04 2016,1:17 am)
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^Most people realize that "stuff" isn't free. We pay it at the gas pump, license tabs, county property tax, state, and federal taxes. If anything we should raise the gas tax to fund infrastructure, some of us realize that the alternative will be seeing more bridges collapse and trains crash due to budget cuts.
I believe the major rail lines (BNSF, CP, Union Pacific etc)in this country pay for the up keep of their own rails. There are still derailments, it happens. I do get a kick out of the various gov entities making deals to use freight routes for commuter trains, the North Star line for one. It runs between St Cloud and Mpls on BNSF trackage rated for 70 mph. Long story short, it's a disaster looking to happen.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,7:30 am
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 04 2016,7:36 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 03 2016,11:34 pm)
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Let's be honest. The only people voting for this guy are people who want others to pay for their free sh!t and those who think they're voting for Larry David.
You seem to be all upset about people getting government benefits, but our nation's real welfare queens are this country's billionaires and biggest corporations.
In 2012, the average American taxpayer making $50,000 per year paid just $36 towards the food stamps program.
That's about ten cents a day to feed people Mr. Christian!
Now compare that to the fact that an average American family making $50,000 a year pays a whopping $6,000 a year in subsidies to Republican-friendly corporations.
So, who's really causing our nation's economic woes?
America's real welfare queens: the corporations.
Abby is only talking State and Local the real taxpayer ripoff happens at the Federal level, the Republican Party is the Political arm of the Corporate Oligarchy..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 04 2016,8:53 am
Free stuff, free stuff government gonna take all yo money and give to the lazy.... It's like talking to effing rocks.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 04 2016,9:09 am
Don' mind Roscoe, none, he jus' been down to the Wal Mart an' seen him a welfare queen in a mo-BIL-itee scooter buyin' up Cheetos and Dew. Y'all.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,9:09 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 04 2016,8:53 am)
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Free stuff, free stuff government gonna take all yo money and give to the lazy...
It's like talking to effing rocks.
It's like talking to effing rocks.
Yep, it certainly is
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,9:19 am
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 04 2016,9:09 am)
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Don' mind Roscoe, none, he jus' been down to the Wal Mart an' seen him a welfare queen in a mo-BIL-itee scooter buyin' up Cheetos and Dew. Y'all.
I don't shop at Wally World, though I have gone in for bait infrequently.
I always feel like I need a penicillin shot after I come out of there.
Isn't that where mommy buys your hot pockets?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 04 2016,9:22 am
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 04 2016,9:09 am)
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Don' mind Roscoe, none, he jus' been down to the Wal Mart an' seen him a welfare queen in a mo-BIL-itee scooter buyin' up Cheetos and Dew. Y'all.
LMFAO
HA, that probably makes me your lap dog now.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,11:33 am
^^ no, it doesn't. Butt-0 is the only one that acts like a lap dog around here and he swoons when Twink posts.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 04 2016,11:59 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 04 2016,9:09 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 04 2016,8:53 am)
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Free stuff, free stuff government gonna take all yo money and give to the lazy...
It's like talking to effing rocks.
It's like talking to effing rocks.
Yep, it certainly is
SB, here's the thing. You aren't even trying to discuss anything, you just keep throwing out the same old lies over and over again.
"Bernie Sanders wants the government to run businesses" - No he doesn't.
"Bernie Sanders is a socialist, he wants everything to be community property." - No he doesn't.
"Bernie Sanders wants to steal from the top to give to the bottom (feeders)." - No he doesn't.
You'll only respond to comments that you can jump on to fit into your narrow category of crap. When someone brings up corporate tax dodging you either ignore it or you say things like "It's their money let them keep it" even when it's shown that some of these big profit corporations pay so little or even get rebates from the IRS.
When it's pointed out that corporate profits are soaring while employee wages have remained stagnant you still somehow blame the workers. Companies shipping jobs overseas you blame on the high taxes the US has, and you just conveniently forget at that time that so many of those corporations use the tax loopholes to pay very little taxes or even get rebates.
You obviously don't check out the information put into the forum otherwise you would not keep repeating the same LInES. You also would have known about the water crises that's been going on. A couple years ago when it was being discussed you made a couple of comments about it, I thought you had actually been reading the information put in the forum. Either you didn't or you conveniently forgot about it.
Judging by how vehemently you oppose socialism in virtually any form, it also appears you've never read much of the bible either.
I know you are capable of actual discussion. I've seen it. Maybe it would be possible to try and have some again in regards to the elections and the big problems facing every single one of us.
If you think you are right and those of us who support Bernie Sanders are wrong, then let's have a real discussion about it. You posting lies and rhetoric is definitely not going to sway anyone.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,12:33 pm
He's a socialist, that's what socialists do, they tell businesses how to run and if thy don't they take it over.Pull you head out of your ass.
so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
I'm
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,12:43 pm
Full Definition of socialism1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of gooer
Does it get any clearer?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,12:48 pm
Perhaps BastiatSocialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 04 2016,1:24 pm
Ok, you showed what Socialism is, now show what that has to do with Bernie.He is not a full fledge Socialist you know.
Speaking of Bernies, anyone catching the story on Bernie Madoff on ABC.
Kind of your hero, I bet, SB?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 04 2016,1:32 pm
(grassman @ Feb. 04 2016,1:24 pm)
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Ok, you showed what Socialism is, now show what that has to do with Bernie.
He is not a full fledge Socialist you know.
He is not a full fledge Socialist you know.
Exactly Grassman.
SB, you keep doing it and keep proving that you don't actually check into information put into the forum. Apparently you don't even read comments very well either. There has been a lot of information put in here to show you that your version of socialism is not the same, yet you don't listen. It doesn't fit into your narrow view of things. No matter how many times people put certain things in the forum you just
and keep repeating lies and rhetoric. This is from post 1307: (condensed)
Bernie Sanders:
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Democratic socialism means, that in a democratic, civilized society the wealthiest people and the largest corporations must pay their fair share of taxes. Yes. Innovation, entrepreneurship and business success should be rewarded. But greed for the sake of greed is not something that public policy should support.
...
So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this:
I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.
I believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America instead of shipping jobs and profits overseas.
I believe that most Americans can pay lower taxes – if hedge fund managers who make billions manipulating the marketplace finally pay the taxes they should.
...
So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this:
I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.
I believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America instead of shipping jobs and profits overseas.
I believe that most Americans can pay lower taxes – if hedge fund managers who make billions manipulating the marketplace finally pay the taxes they should.
See? It's nothing like what you keep posting... And it's been pointed out numerous times.
Posted by Liberal on Feb. 04 2016,1:42 pm
So Bernie Sanders is the person that decides what Socialism means? I think I'll stick with the dictionary.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 04 2016,1:53 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 04 2016,8:53 am)
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Free stuff, free stuff government gonna take all yo money and give to the lazy...
It's like talking to effing rocks.
It's like talking to effing rocks.
On other platforms the trolls are starved. In this case, though, this forum may be endangered of becoming an echo chamber. So, in some dark sense, a singular troll evolves the discussion, no matter the endless depths it may reach. Devolution.
"To live a pure unselfish life, one must count nothing as one's own in the midst of abundance."
Buddha
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,3:54 pm
(grassman @ Feb. 04 2016,1:24 pm)
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Ok, you showed what Socialism is, now show what that has to do with Bernie.
He is not a full fledge Socialist you know.
Speaking of Bernies, anyone catching the story on Bernie Madoff on ABC.
Kind of your hero, I bet, SB?
He is not a full fledge Socialist you know.
Speaking of Bernies, anyone catching the story on Bernie Madoff on ABC.
Kind of your hero, I bet, SB?
Wow, kinda like being a little bit pregnant
And no, Bernie is not a hero.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2016,4:02 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 04 2016,1:53 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 04 2016,8:53 am)
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Free stuff, free stuff government gonna take all yo money and give to the lazy...
It's like talking to effing rocks.
It's like talking to effing rocks.
On other platforms the trolls are starved. In this case, though, this forum may be endangered of becoming an echo chamber. So, in some dark sense, a singular troll evolves the discussion, no matter the endless depths it may reach. Devolution.
"To live a pure unselfish life, one must count nothing as one's own in the midst of abundance."
Buddha
Oops, another definition
full of oneself
Definition of full of oneself in English:
Very self-satisfied and with an exaggerated sense of self-worth.
EXAMPLE SENTENCES
He was entirely full of himself and his opinions.
At the same time, don't bow and scrape before the vulgar, even when they are proud and full of themselves.
We were strong, arrogant and so full of ourselves.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2016,5:33 am
I watched bits and pieces of the debate last night Stroke lady revealed Batsh!ts evil attack smears
Batsh!t proved once again that he has no idea how an economy works.
Videos when Expat wakes up
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2016,7:06 am
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,7:14 am
Do not be deceived... Socialism is not the answer.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2016,7:44 am
^^You are right. Socialism for the Corporations isn't working. Government hand outs to the Big Corporations isn't working.We've been trying the REPUBLICAN "trickle down" method for US since Reagan was in office... but, we haven't gotten the trickle down. All we got was the DOWN, and then we were tricked into paying for the mistakes of the Wall Street thieves, while none of those crooks went to jail for a day, and they still enjoyed their wealth... and needless wars built on lies to profit the Military Industrial Complex, profits at the expense of our Nations youth and Debt.
So, it's time to stop the Socialism for the Corporations.Time to stop the hand outs to Multi-National Corporations. It is time to bring a bit of Social Democracy to the People of Our Nation.
Social Democracy seems to be working well for Germany, France, Austria, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Scotland, Ireland, Italy... and could work for US when done American style.
As bad as you want to talk about Social Democracy... it's just a distraction from the Corporate thievery of The People of this Nation, which clearly is not benefiting the People. But, some fat cat CEO's sure love it, as they steal the wealth of a Nation.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,7:53 am
You're wrong about my beliefs on corporate socialism. The banks should have been allowed to fail. GM shouldn't have been bailed out and all energy subsidies should be abolished to include oil, wind, solar, and ethanol. You're senility has progressively gotten worse over the past year. You may want to get that checked out.
Those countries exist because of America not socialism.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,8:00 am
...and your fellow Democrat's are just as guilty when it comes to Wall Street transgressions. Don't fool yourself.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2016,8:02 am
(Liberal @ Feb. 04 2016,1:42 pm)
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So Bernie Sanders is the person that decides what Socialism means? I think I'll stick with the dictionary.
To attack Sanders or Clinton only benefits the GOP.
When a Clinton supporter sides with the forum GOP troll to create fear of a word definition that has no real relevance to the candidate, there's panic in the Clinton Camp..
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,8:34 am
Perv... As the saying goes, birds of a feather....
Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 05 2016,8:40 am
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To attack Sanders or Clinton only benefits the GOP.
This is the problem I have with people that ONLY support a party (not necessarily you Expat). In this case, because a person doesn't support the 2 Dem candidates, that instantly means it helps the GOP as a whole, thereby denigrating every candidate in the GOP. It is possible that there is a good GOP candidate, but because they have an ® next to their name they must be bad.
This is why I always vote person over party. I don't care about political affiliation.
This year is getting even trickier cuz I think for the first time you see a real division in the DEM party. The last several election they've been pretty solid on their stances between the candidates collectively. The Repbubs on the other hand have several had factions and are in complete disarray. Between the RINOs, the conservatives, and the TEA party there is no cohesion in the party. Which is probably a good thing.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2016,9:15 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 05 2016,7:53 am)
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You're wrong about my beliefs on corporate socialism. The banks should have been allowed to fail. GM shouldn't have been bailed out and all energy subsidies should be abolished to include oil, wind, solar, and ethanol.
So you do agree with Bernie!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2016,9:22 am
(grassman @ Feb. 05 2016,9:15 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 05 2016,7:53 am)
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You're wrong about my beliefs on corporate socialism. The banks should have been allowed to fail. GM shouldn't have been bailed out and all energy subsidies should be abolished to include oil, wind, solar, and ethanol.
So you do agree with Bernie!
I'm guessing he agrees with Batsh!t on little else.
I agree too, GM should have been left to fend for themselves, I stated that a few times on this forum.
But I seem to remember being chasitied for that view by Expat back then.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,9:43 am
(grassman @ Feb. 05 2016,9:15 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 05 2016,7:53 am)
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You're wrong about my beliefs on corporate socialism. The banks should have been allowed to fail. GM shouldn't have been bailed out and all energy subsidies should be abolished to include oil, wind, solar, and ethanol.
So you do agree with Bernie!
and Ted Cruz
Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2016,10:22 am
How about ending these powerful people and corporations' tax evading tactics (offshore accounts etc.)?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2016,10:31 am
^^ how about scrapping the bastardized tax code we have now and go to a flat tax or even a consumption tax.How about stopping payments to countries that want to see us destroyed.
And the list goes on.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2016,10:42 am
I don't think I have heard much on taxes except from Bernie. As far as consumption tax goes...too late. The hoarding of wealth is already 30 years or more old. It has been reported that the upper crust has been packing it away for some time now. Money that is kept, not in circulation. They will never be able to spend it in a long,long time. This hurts economies for everyone but them.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 05 2016,11:35 am
Thoughts while waiting in line to file taxes:Two trillion dollars in overseas tax haven. And as usual it's the usual suspects involved:
Apple
GE
Microsoft
Pfizer
Citigroup
etc, etc etc
It's understandable when cut-throat shareholders in these criminal corporations defend their "daddy's" actions. Less clear are reasons why local Joe Plumbers defend and make excuses for their "daddy's" decades long abusive behavior. I suspect it's Beaten Housewife Syndrome.
Watched the entire debate last night. Bernie smoked Hillary on her flip-flop-walk-the-fence-in-bed-with Wallstreet political views. All the lawyers in this country must adore her ability to stand on both sides of an issue simultaneously. Hillary smoked Bernie on foreign affairs.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2016,11:39 am
^ says the genius as he sits with a smart phone in his hand.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2016,1:12 pm
Where's he at, H&R Block Kiosk at WalMart?
Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2016,2:30 pm
At least he is focused on the problem, unlike you two who will just smear it under the carpet.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2016,3:08 pm
(grassman @ Feb. 05 2016,2:30 pm)
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At least he is focused on the problem, unlike you two who will just smear it under the carpet.
No, he only parroted liberal talking points that get beaten to death on this site
And once again I'll bring up GE with Imelt being Busters advisor.
And once again I'll bring up the fact that it's out of control spending that's the problem.
Poor Trigger.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2016,3:19 pm
Why do you insist on making it a party problem? It is a problem period. Pointing the finger at Obama and his ties does absolutely nothing. Now we have someone who is saying it is time to stop it and you want to throw him under the bus. Grow up!
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 05 2016,4:51 pm
Never owned a cellphone, never will. False assumptions once more, Joe Plumber.As far as I'm aware nothing outside some dementia of their mind is forcing the trolls to read or respond to comments.
One positive outcome of this election may be one more nail in the coffin of Party politics.
"While it is common for Republican candidates to claim to have received a calling from God to run for president, Cruz has taken it further by claiming that he is a religious prophet called to lead a religious war. His supporters are called "believers" and they are told they are building an army for the coming attacks. Glenn Beck has said he is convinced he is touched by "the hand of divine providence." Rafael Cruz, father of Ted, has implied that his son is a messiah."
"In 2008, at a fundraising stop during his initial campaign for president, Barack Obama spoke about the frustration of the small town voter. "They get bitter," he said, "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The quote caused a media storm, giving his primary opponent Hillary Clinton ammunition to use in the remaining primaries. The man who would be president eventually apologized for the comment, even though his only mistake was that he spoke the truth."
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,6:30 am
(grassman @ Feb. 05 2016,3:19 pm)
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Why do you insist on making it a party problem? It is a problem period. Pointing the finger at Obama and his ties does absolutely nothing. Now we have someone who is saying it is time to stop it and you want to throw him under the bus. Grow up!
It's far from being one parties fault but I fear the remedy proposed by the socialist twits here will kill the patient.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 06 2016,7:24 am
Thomas Jefferson's quote applies, it seems the value of work simply doesn't exit, wage concessions, give backs in pension and health benefits aren't enough! The American worker can NOT compete with third world wage of 50 ¢ an hour and no benefits! How many Republicans do hear voicing the disastrous trade policy off shoring our jobs to import cheap goods! No they sponsor this crap and give you some tired line about it's a world economy, and some of you idgits fall for it...That leaves US with the value of capital, those who have the wealth, increase that wealth at the expense of the country rather than for the good of the people!
Last I looked the Constitution started off with We The People!
What we have to look at who represents the People- BERNIE SANDERS
Who represents the 1%ers who only care about more capital- REPUBLICANS
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 06 2016,8:03 am
(Glad I Left @ Feb. 05 2016,8:40 am)
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To attack Sanders or Clinton only benefits the GOP.
This is the problem I have with people that ONLY support a party (not necessarily you Expat). In this case, because a person doesn't support the 2 Dem candidates, that instantly means it helps the GOP as a whole, thereby denigrating every candidate in the GOP. It is possible that there is a good GOP candidate, but because they have an ® next to their name they must be bad.
This is why I always vote person over party. I don't care about political affiliation.
This year is getting even trickier cuz I think for the first time you see a real division in the DEM party. The last several election they've been pretty solid on their stances between the candidates collectively. The Repbubs on the other hand have several had factions and are in complete disarray. Between the RINOs, the conservatives, and the TEA party there is no cohesion in the party. Which is probably a good thing.
With the exception of Trump and Rand the Republican ticket varies little, these guys are lock stepping block voters, and as I see it they've voting against the interest of the people unless you're one of those that sees corporations as people..
The last time I became excited about voting for a Republican it was Ross Perot, he was running as an independent, I could find enough common ground with Perot to buy two of his books..Perot was an old style Republican, he was concerned with business interests..but American business that benefited US..he was against NAFTA..he predicted we'd hear that giant sucking sound of our jobs leaving..Perot stated the cold war was over it was time for US to stop fighting it and concentrate on business of revitalizing OUR Country..Perot wasn't anti labor..he had no intention of gutting Social Security or Medicare..he was Pro-American..a make this country work for US all kind of guy!
Believe or not I can see some of the same qualities in Bernie Sander I saw in Ross Perot..an independent concerned about America's future..
As to my current political affiliation let me quote Will Rogers...
"I do not belong to any organized political party-I am a Democrat."
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,8:17 am
^^so you want to become an isolationist, no imports. How many families depend on some of these inexpensive products? The tariffs you think should be proposed to make ourselves competitive would be staggering. The time to fire up factories that have long been gone, probably a decade or better. The import industry in this country is vast, the container count that comes and goes into a backwater market like I work in employs thousands (a lot of them Union dumbass)are you going to just pull the plug?
Like it or not we've been in a true world economy the last 20 years or so, your Batsh!t crazy candidate is a raving lunatic who has no idea how an economy works.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,8:21 am
(stardust14 @ Feb. 05 2016,4:51 pm)
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Never owned a cellphone, never will.
Sh!ts in the backyard, wipes with a stick
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 06 2016,8:53 am
So you know how the economy works, Bluto?If I tuck away $30,000 one year, only to withdraw it a year later and find it can only buy $28,000 worth of stuff, I'd say that's a bad deal.
Any sophomore economics student can tell you that an economy based on fractional-reserve banking is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme. Once the Dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, you can say goodbye to the Fed's ability to compensate by printing more money, which brings us back to why my 30k only buys 28k worth of crap, or as people who understand economics say, inflation.
This house of cards is going to crumble. Soon. And every One-Percenter with a fat account in the Caymans knows it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,10:17 am
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 06 2016,8:53 am)
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So you know how the economy works, Bluto?
If I tuck away $30,000 one year, only to withdraw it a year later and find it can only buy $28,000 worth of stuff, I'd say that's a bad deal.
Any sophomore economics student can tell you that an economy based on fractional-reserve banking is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme. Once the Dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, you can say goodbye to the Fed's ability to compensate by printing more money, which brings us back to why my 30k only buys 28k worth of crap, or as people who understand economics say, inflation.
This house of cards is going to crumble. Soon. And every One-Percenter with a fat account in the Caymans knows it.
If I tuck away $30,000 one year, only to withdraw it a year later and find it can only buy $28,000 worth of stuff, I'd say that's a bad deal.
Any sophomore economics student can tell you that an economy based on fractional-reserve banking is an unsustainable Ponzi scheme. Once the Dollar ceases to be the world's reserve currency, you can say goodbye to the Fed's ability to compensate by printing more money, which brings us back to why my 30k only buys 28k worth of crap, or as people who understand economics say, inflation.
This house of cards is going to crumble. Soon. And every One-Percenter with a fat account in the Caymans knows it.
If you deposit $30k one year and the next it's only worth $28k you might want to consider changing financial advisers, Butt-O
And yes, our financial system is unstable, are you just figuring this out? Once again
And you think by isolating ourselves that we'll be safe?and again
And you think that by going socialist we'll be all warm and fuzzy?
Say bye bye to the Feds saving our ass by printing more $$? NO SH,t!
Think a bit before you post Butt-O,
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 06 2016,2:05 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 05 2016,4:51 pm)
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Never owned a cellphone, never will. False assumptions once more, Joe Plumber.
As far as I'm aware nothing outside some dementia of their mind is forcing the trolls to read or respond to comments.
One positive outcome of this election may be one more nail in the coffin of Party politics.
"While it is common for Republican candidates to claim to have received a calling from God to run for president, Cruz has taken it further by claiming that he is a religious prophet called to lead a religious war. His supporters are called "believers" and they are told they are building an army for the coming attacks. Glenn Beck has said he is convinced he is touched by "the hand of divine providence." Rafael Cruz, father of Ted, has implied that his son is a messiah."
"In 2008, at a fundraising stop during his initial campaign for president, Barack Obama spoke about the frustration of the small town voter. "They get bitter," he said, "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The quote caused a media storm, giving his primary opponent Hillary Clinton ammunition to use in the remaining primaries. The man who would be president eventually apologized for the comment, even though his only mistake was that he spoke the truth."
As far as I'm aware nothing outside some dementia of their mind is forcing the trolls to read or respond to comments.
One positive outcome of this election may be one more nail in the coffin of Party politics.
"While it is common for Republican candidates to claim to have received a calling from God to run for president, Cruz has taken it further by claiming that he is a religious prophet called to lead a religious war. His supporters are called "believers" and they are told they are building an army for the coming attacks. Glenn Beck has said he is convinced he is touched by "the hand of divine providence." Rafael Cruz, father of Ted, has implied that his son is a messiah."
"In 2008, at a fundraising stop during his initial campaign for president, Barack Obama spoke about the frustration of the small town voter. "They get bitter," he said, "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The quote caused a media storm, giving his primary opponent Hillary Clinton ammunition to use in the remaining primaries. The man who would be president eventually apologized for the comment, even though his only mistake was that he spoke the truth."
You missed the point of the jab. (if only i had a white board to draw you pictures) You complained about corporations but then support them by using there products. i.e. smart phone, computers, etc...
nice deflection though...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 06 2016,3:14 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 06 2016,2:05 pm)
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(stardust14 @ Feb. 05 2016,4:51 pm)
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Never owned a cellphone, never will. False assumptions once more, Joe Plumber.
As far as I'm aware nothing outside some dementia of their mind is forcing the trolls to read or respond to comments.
One positive outcome of this election may be one more nail in the coffin of Party politics.
"While it is common for Republican candidates to claim to have received a calling from God to run for president, Cruz has taken it further by claiming that he is a religious prophet called to lead a religious war. His supporters are called "believers" and they are told they are building an army for the coming attacks. Glenn Beck has said he is convinced he is touched by "the hand of divine providence." Rafael Cruz, father of Ted, has implied that his son is a messiah."
"In 2008, at a fundraising stop during his initial campaign for president, Barack Obama spoke about the frustration of the small town voter. "They get bitter," he said, "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The quote caused a media storm, giving his primary opponent Hillary Clinton ammunition to use in the remaining primaries. The man who would be president eventually apologized for the comment, even though his only mistake was that he spoke the truth."
As far as I'm aware nothing outside some dementia of their mind is forcing the trolls to read or respond to comments.
One positive outcome of this election may be one more nail in the coffin of Party politics.
"While it is common for Republican candidates to claim to have received a calling from God to run for president, Cruz has taken it further by claiming that he is a religious prophet called to lead a religious war. His supporters are called "believers" and they are told they are building an army for the coming attacks. Glenn Beck has said he is convinced he is touched by "the hand of divine providence." Rafael Cruz, father of Ted, has implied that his son is a messiah."
"In 2008, at a fundraising stop during his initial campaign for president, Barack Obama spoke about the frustration of the small town voter. "They get bitter," he said, "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The quote caused a media storm, giving his primary opponent Hillary Clinton ammunition to use in the remaining primaries. The man who would be president eventually apologized for the comment, even though his only mistake was that he spoke the truth."
You missed the point of the jab. (if only i had a white board to draw you pictures) You complained about corporations but then support them by using there products. i.e. smart phone, computers, etc...
nice deflection though...
Stardust never said anything about using a smart phone.
Goodgod CC we went through this during Occupy discussions. Most people are not against corporations making products and making profits. We are against them using their profits to screw their employees and screw every single one of us by their influence on government.
Maybe I should get out my whiteboard and draw you pictures?
Honestly, goshdamn it's like talking to effing rocks. I don't like that certain prescription medications have side effects which hurt or kill some people. I don't like the fact that sometimes vehicles have unforeseen mechanical problems which lead to accidents and deaths. Does that mean I think there should not be such a thing as medication? Or that I think people should only drive horse and buggys? Dude, seriously. Unfrickinbelievable.
Some people die accidental deaths no matter what. Crap happens and there's nothing that can be done to stop it. BUT, when a bunch of people die and it's discovered that pharmaceutical or car companies knew about problems beforehand, and lied and covered up and kept lying and covering up THEN those companies should not be let off without even having to admit to any wrong doing and paying a fraction of their profits as a fine. People should be imprisoned for a long time.
AND corporations should NOT be able to have a revolving door of employees with government. AND corporations should NOT be able to influence government as they do. Did you read that study that's been put into the forum at least twice on how corporations have major influence over the government while we people have absolutely none?
Corporations have things like ALEC where they get to sit and chum around with the politicians who are supposed to represent US. Good luck with any of us even getting a letter or email answered. Not gonna happen.
Bernie flies coach not just to save taxpayer money, but to talk to US. Bernie doesn't get driven around in limo's, he takes the subway.
Grassman
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Why do you insist on making it a party problem? It is a problem period. Pointing the finger at Obama and his ties does absolutely nothing. Now we have someone who is saying it is time to stop it and you want to throw him under the bus. Grow up!
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 06 2016,5:29 pm
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 06 2016,8:53 am)
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This house of cards is going to crumble. Soon. And every One-Percenter with a fat account in the Caymans knows it.
Exactly. When this banana republic is sucked dry of wealth and the banks are set afire the criminals will flying out on private jets looking for next targets. Hope ISIS is waiting there to welcome them home.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,5:48 pm
^^You've really got a weird/dumb sort of humor
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 06 2016,5:57 pm
Rosalind, CC doesn't use any of these deplorable socialist institutions due to his purist ethics:1, Social Security
2. Medicare and Medicaid
3. The Post Office
4. Public Schools and Colleges and Universities
5. Libraries
6. Water Treatment Systems
7. Recreational Centers, including Gyms, Parks, Beaches
8. National Parks
9. Public Transit Systems, Trains, Subways, Buses
10.Police, Firefighters, Sanitation Services, Public Hospitals
11.Military Services and Protection
12.Labor Protections
13.Food and Drug Regulations
14.Environmental Protections
15.Financial Institutions Regulations
16.Transportation Safety Regulations
17.Housing Regulations
18.Energy Regulations
19.Military Veterans Protections
20.Homeland Security Protections
Trolls are not quite as ignorant as you suggest. It's a pre-school pretend game they play for attention.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 07 2016,5:00 am
^^This is how bloated our gov has become I'll pick a couple here.
Social Security, the gov takes my money at gun point and says they'll trickle it out to me at a time of their choosing, if I should die before that time they keep it, no passing it down to my heirs.
Medicare, same deal.
The Post Office, there's an antiquated arm of the gov that needs to go away or at least be totally revamped into something much more efficient.
Public schools? Should be state run, state funded.
Libraries? Same, even county or even more local.
Water treatment, wow, EPA really dropped the ball in Flint.
And on and on...
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 07 2016,8:35 am
< See details here >Key Findings:
Senator Sanders (I-VT) would enact a number of policies that would raise payroll taxes and individual income taxes, especially on high-income households.
Senator Sanders’s plan would raise tax revenue by $13.6 trillion over the next decade on a static basis. However, the plan would end up collecting $9.8 trillion over the next decade when accounting for decreased economic output in the long run.
A majority of the revenue raised by the Sanders plan would come from a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax, a new 2.2 percent broad-based income tax, and the elimination of tax expenditures relating to healthcare.
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 07 2016,8:46 am
A 6.2 employer side payroll tax,Guess who isn't getting a raise.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 07 2016,8:56 am
(stardust14 @ Feb. 06 2016,5:57 pm)
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Rosalind, CC doesn't use any of these deplorable socialist institutions due to his purist ethics:
1, Social Security
2. Medicare and Medicaid
3. The Post Office
4. Public Schools and Colleges and Universities
5. Libraries
6. Water Treatment Systems
7. Recreational Centers, including Gyms, Parks, Beaches
8. National Parks
9. Public Transit Systems, Trains, Subways, Buses
10.Police, Firefighters, Sanitation Services, Public Hospitals
11.Military Services and Protection
12.Labor Protections
13.Food and Drug Regulations
14.Environmental Protections
15.Financial Institutions Regulations
16.Transportation Safety Regulations
17.Housing Regulations
18.Energy Regulations
19.Military Veterans Protections
20.Homeland Security Protections
Trolls are not quite as ignorant as you suggest. It's a pre-school pretend game they play for attention.
1, Social Security
2. Medicare and Medicaid
3. The Post Office
4. Public Schools and Colleges and Universities
5. Libraries
6. Water Treatment Systems
7. Recreational Centers, including Gyms, Parks, Beaches
8. National Parks
9. Public Transit Systems, Trains, Subways, Buses
10.Police, Firefighters, Sanitation Services, Public Hospitals
11.Military Services and Protection
12.Labor Protections
13.Food and Drug Regulations
14.Environmental Protections
15.Financial Institutions Regulations
16.Transportation Safety Regulations
17.Housing Regulations
18.Energy Regulations
19.Military Veterans Protections
20.Homeland Security Protections
Trolls are not quite as ignorant as you suggest. It's a pre-school pretend game they play for attention.
Most of those I do not use voluntarily. Some of the items listed are exactly what a governments purpose should be. Many of us are forced to hand over a large percentage of our EARNED income to the government for them to use as they wish in addition to all of the other taxes we pay day in and day out. You think I'm not going to use a few of those services listed?
You may think the sh!t is free but I don't. I guess it explains your support for Bernie.
One example is SSI: Let me keep my Social Security contributions and I will prove to you that my monthly retirement income would be greater than what they can provide and it would be transferable to my heirs upon death.
Liberals believe the purpose of government is to protect the poor from the rich (wink wink) while the conservatives believe its purpose is to protect good from evil.
Next.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 07 2016,10:15 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 07 2016,1:18 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 07 2016,8:35 am)
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< See details here >
Key Findings:
Senator Sanders (I-VT) would enact a number of policies that would raise payroll taxes and individual income taxes, especially on high-income households.
Senator Sanders’s plan would raise tax revenue by $13.6 trillion over the next decade on a static basis. However, the plan would end up collecting $9.8 trillion over the next decade when accounting for decreased economic output in the long run.
A majority of the revenue raised by the Sanders plan would come from a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax, a new 2.2 percent broad-based income tax, and the elimination of tax expenditures relating to healthcare.
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.
Key Findings:
Senator Sanders (I-VT) would enact a number of policies that would raise payroll taxes and individual income taxes, especially on high-income households.
Senator Sanders’s plan would raise tax revenue by $13.6 trillion over the next decade on a static basis. However, the plan would end up collecting $9.8 trillion over the next decade when accounting for decreased economic output in the long run.
A majority of the revenue raised by the Sanders plan would come from a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax, a new 2.2 percent broad-based income tax, and the elimination of tax expenditures relating to healthcare.
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly increase marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to 9.5 percent lower GDP over the long term.
On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.
The link you posted also states:
[CODE]It is important to note that these figures only reflect changes in after-tax income that result from Senator Sanders’s tax plan. They do not take into account the distributional effects of any of the spending programs that Senator Sanders has proposed.[QUOTE]
Which I'm assuming they're talking about things like lower prescription costs and no medical bills? There's no doubt in my mind that you know and understand these things much better than I do CC, so that's why I'm asking.
The part about lowering the GDP, I'm just wondering how that will affect the vast majority of us since, according to information put into the forum before, the majority of income gains have been going to the top 1%? - I'm way out of my league when trying to figure out this sort of stuff out, so I apologize if that's a stupid question.
Just curious, why is Bernie being the only person talked about in the forum? Minnesota Caucus is March 1, time is running out for anyone interested in participating in the caucus.
Trump? Cruz? Clinton? Their proposals and policies?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 08 2016,5:52 am
Rose, these guys can never provide a non-bias link, The Tax Foundation is a Washington, D.C.-based think tank, ... it's pro-business and conservative-leaning and has ties to various US conservative groups.. a mere mouth piece for the Oligarchy..You'll notice when I provide links to the GAO or any other Government agency data-bank they're discredited by these kooks as lies, but when they post a right-wing think tank we should buy it hook line and sinker...propaganda to discredit Sanders..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,7:30 am
^^ yeah, and the gov never lies
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,7:47 am
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...porters >
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 08 2016,8:29 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,9:07 am
^^another bullsh!t vidDon't even bother.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,10:31 am
< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...vp.html >The dems are getting nervous, two unelectable candidates.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 08 2016,12:12 pm
I think both parties are scared sh!ttless by Bernie. You may want to dismiss the younger generation, guess what. They have seen what the two parties have done to this country. They have been riding the public for generations now. The young have seen it and believe me, they are paying attention. Bernie is the only one with the balls to call the elephant in the room out.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 08 2016,11:42 pm
(grassman @ Feb. 08 2016,12:12 pm)
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I think both parties are scared sh!ttless by Bernie. You may want to dismiss the younger generation, guess what. They have seen what the two parties have done to this country. They have been riding the public for generations now. The young have seen it and believe me, they are paying attention. Bernie is the only one with the balls to call the elephant in the room out.
His policies should scare everyone unless you're resolving yourself to mediocrity and want the government to run your life at every turn.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 09 2016,5:42 am
^^Unless we start to manage the runaway costs associated with our healthcare system we'll go broke. The day of healthcare for profit needs to end, mega bucks compensation packages, wall street profiting on illness, skyrocketing medication costs, $1,000.00 per pill and these costs are not only restricted to new patented drugs, drugs that have been on the market for years are climbing at an alarming rate..these same medications sell for a reasonable price in every other Industrialized nation with government run healthcare for all, as Sanders is proposing!Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2016,5:58 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 08 2016,11:42 pm)
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(grassman @ Feb. 08 2016,12:12 pm)
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I think both parties are scared sh!ttless by Bernie. You may want to dismiss the younger generation, guess what. They have seen what the two parties have done to this country. They have been riding the public for generations now. The young have seen it and believe me, they are paying attention. Bernie is the only one with the balls to call the elephant in the room out.
His policies should scare everyone unless you're resolving yourself to mediocrity and want the government to run your life at every turn.
Really, I think we are there already by private industry. My insurance company made me go get a referral from my med doctor before they would pay my optometrist. I have had glaucoma for 20 years. Been seeing the same place for treatment for 15 years. What does an MD know about eyes that an eye Dr. does not?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2016,8:08 am
Ever notice all the foreigners that come to this country for health care because the health care in their home country's so mess up?
Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2016,9:33 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 09 2016,8:08 am)
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Ever notice all the foreigners that come to this country for health care because the health care in their home country's so mess up?
Such as....
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 09 2016,9:42 am
Bernie's still better than this lying biotch...< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2016,11:26 am
(grassman @ Feb. 09 2016,9:33 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 09 2016,8:08 am)
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Ever notice all the foreigners that come to this country for health care because the health care in their home country's so mess up?
Such as...
Hang around Rochester, you'd see. It's been that way for years.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2016,12:08 pm
What, you Ted Cruz Jr? I asked you to tell us.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2016,12:56 pm
Thanks for the compliment😬Rochester has Mayo clinc, I think you've heard of that, there are always foreigners coming in for treatment, especially Canadians.whose health care system sucks, long waits, denied treatments.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2016,2:52 pm
What does Mayo have to do with the basic health care system? They are just a minute part of it. Did you also know that Mayo is tax exempt? Seems a lot of the healthcare providers are getting on board with that status now. Non-profit my @ss!
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 09 2016,3:22 pm
@ SB..you're so full of it, living proof that diesel fumes lower the IQ!Actually Mr. Know it all, the Canadian Healthcare system includes the Mayo Clinic if circumstance warrants ..and they still operate their system on much lower budget...idgit
Now you try to go outside your list of providers and see how quickly your American Insurance stiffs you on the bill, idgit..
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 09 2016,3:24 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2016,4:34 pm
Like it or not Canadians come to the US for better care.On another front, Goria Steinem says that the only reason young girls follow Batsh!t is to pick up boys.
Is this why Expat follows Batsh!t?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 09 2016,9:32 pm
Expat:QUOTE
Now you try to go outside your list of providers and see how quickly your American Insurance stiffs you on the bill,
QUOTE
When
extrapolated across the State and the country, it is fair to say that the Ingenix databases have
caused Americans to be under-reimbursed to the tune of at least hundreds of millions of dollars
over the past ten years.
...
In February 2008, the OAG announced that the database used by most of the industry to
determine reimbursement rates for out-of-network services was tainted by a serious conflict of
interest. The database is operated by a subsidiary of an insurer, which has a financial interest to
skew the rates downward so as to save the insurer money.
< http://www.ag.ny.gov/sites...009.pdf >
Ingenix is a wholly owned subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group.
Ingenix CEO Andy Slavitt has been nominated by Obama for Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Department of Health and Human Services. And right after that, this:
OptumLabs, the collaborative health care research and innovation center co-founded by Optum and Mayo Clinic, announced that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has joined the collaborative as a research partner.
Agencies under HHS’s purview will now have the opportunity to develop and lead innovative health care research using OptumLabs’ big data resources, which link de-identified medical claims and clinical data to provide holistic views of populations and patient care.
< http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/Newsroo...bs.aspx >
SB
QUOTE
Like it or not Canadians come to the US for better care.
You have anything other than anecdotal "proof" for that?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2016,4:58 am
^^ personal experience.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 10 2016,5:29 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 09 2016,4:34 pm)
QUOTE
Like it or not Canadians come to the US for better care.
On another front, Goria Steinem says that the only reason young girls follow Batsh!t is to pick up boys.
Is this why Expat follows Batsh!t?
On another front, Goria Steinem says that the only reason young girls follow Batsh!t is to pick up boys.
Is this why Expat follows Batsh!t?
They come because you say so.
Once again, you non-argue facts with your usual snarky replys.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 10 2016,5:42 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 10 2016,4:58 am)
QUOTE
^^ personal experience.
Ok Mayo Clinic Greeter, how many do you personally, know of?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 10 2016,6:09 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 10 2016,4:58 am)
QUOTE
^^ personal experience.
What a metamorphosis, you've went from idgit to imbecile all in two words...
Maybe your real name is Rafael Edward Cruz; born in Calgary, Canada..
Sander's Campaign Bus leaves New Hampshire...
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 10 2016,7:27 am
(Expatriate @ Feb. 09 2016,5:42 am)
QUOTE
^^Unless we start to manage the runaway costs associated with our healthcare system we'll go broke. The day of healthcare for profit needs to end, mega bucks compensation packages, wall street profiting on illness, skyrocketing medication costs, $1,000.00 per pill and these costs are not only restricted to new patented drugs, drugs that have been on the market for years are climbing at an alarming rate..these same medications sell for a reasonable price in every other Industrialized nation with government run healthcare for all, as Sanders is proposing!
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
I know. Profits are bad unless that profit finds it's way in to union members pockets. Right?
And did you just say you're worried about the country going broke?
Then why did you vote for Obama twice? Sounds kind of disingenuous to now all of a sudden be concerned.
•FY 2009 - Although this was President Bush's last budget, it was implemented during Obama's first year. Congress agreed to add the first year's worth of spending from the Economic Stimulus Act to this. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
•FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.293 trillion deficit.
•FY 2011 - It contributed $1.299 trillion to the debt.
•FY 2012 - The deficit was the largest in history, at $1.327 trillion.
•FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $901 billion, was less than $1 trillion.
•FY 2014 - The deficit projection in the budget was $744 billion.
•Current Budget - The deficit is projected to be $564 billion.
When the deficits from all these budgets are added together, President Obama increased the debt by $5.073 trillion.
While your at it...you should lead the fight to ensure every American has free energy. It's a shame how much companies like Xcel energy charges their customers and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do. Not like I can switch power companies or anything. Talk about a monopoly.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2016,7:29 am
Wow, so it has to be on a web site (a web site of your choosing) before you believe something is true?I would have to say you're the idiot
Sorry, for Expat
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 10 2016,8:57 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 10 2016,7:27 am)
QUOTE
(Expatriate @ Feb. 09 2016,5:42 am)
QUOTE
^^Unless we start to manage the runaway costs associated with our healthcare system we'll go broke. The day of healthcare for profit needs to end, mega bucks compensation packages, wall street profiting on illness, skyrocketing medication costs, $1,000.00 per pill and these costs are not only restricted to new patented drugs, drugs that have been on the market for years are climbing at an alarming rate..these same medications sell for a reasonable price in every other Industrialized nation with government run healthcare for all, as Sanders is proposing!
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
I know. Profits are bad unless that profit finds it's way in to union members pockets. Right?
And did you just say you're worried about the country going broke?
Then why did you vote for Obama twice? Sounds kind of disingenuous to now all of a sudden be concerned.
•FY 2009 - Although this was President Bush's last budget, it was implemented during Obama's first year. Congress agreed to add the first year's worth of spending from the Economic Stimulus Act to this. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
•FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.293 trillion deficit.
•FY 2011 - It contributed $1.299 trillion to the debt.
•FY 2012 - The deficit was the largest in history, at $1.327 trillion.
•FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $901 billion, was less than $1 trillion.
•FY 2014 - The deficit projection in the budget was $744 billion.
•Current Budget - The deficit is projected to be $564 billion.
When the deficits from all these budgets are added together, President Obama increased the debt by $5.073 trillion.
While your at it...you should lead the fight to ensure every American has free energy. It's a shame how much companies like Xcel energy charges their customers and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do. Not like I can switch power companies or anything. Talk about a monopoly.
Whether you want to blame the Obama Administration or I want to blame the Bush Administration, it’s irrelevant, as the debt is here and it’s real!
The Republican answer to OUR debt problem, more tax cuts and more war at a time we can afford neither, refuse to honor our obligation to Social Security or Medicare ...We must pay OUR bills and promised obligations..We must revitalize OUR nation, if that means spending money in America consider that a far better investment for the American People than military Empire Building abroad..
President Bush, inherited a budget surplus, Then, hit with a recession, he took the budget into deficit. Then he cut taxes, in 2001 and 2003 primarily for the wealthy without spending cuts growing the deficit, he took US into Afghanistan and Iraq, with the promise of a quick cheap victory neither of which came to fruition..add to that Medicare Part D, a bone to the Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industries, with no means of price control drug prices have escalated,( not that Part D isn't necessary but it was designed as a corporate giveaway) add to that the continued attack on the working class by Executive Order and congressional legislation and it brings US to the biggest financial crisis (bail-out) and recession since the 1929 crash and the Great Depression, GDP and tax collections tanked..
The truth here is Government spending was initiated by the so called Conservative (Bush) Administration.. Given the extent of the mess Obama inherited I’d say those deficits aren't all his fault.. Add to that the party of NO (Republicans) have controlled the government purse strings for the last five years!!
Had we followed the austerity measure you long for America would be the new Greece or worse..
QUOTE
It's a shame how much companies like Xcel energy charges their customers and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do. Not like I can switch power companies or anything. Talk about a monopoly.
Before your rates can be increased in Minnesota, Xcel must justify those increases with the Public Utilities Commission, a bipartisan Government entity that protects the consumer.. the kind of big government you tards want gone...
You're getting a good deal on electric rates, you don't have to use it..why don't you go back to candles and kerosene..
Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 10 2016,9:01 am
Democratic DelegatesHillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
< http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/ >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am
(grassman @ Feb. 10 2016,5:42 am)
QUOTE
Ok Mayo Clinic Greeter,
Too damn funny, almost shot my drink out my noseAL
QUOTE
Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 10 2016,10:02 am
We're phaacked no matter how we vote. Clinton is a banking-establishment crony that will say anything to get elected, Sanders will tax businesses into oblivion, and the entire Republican field is a foreign-policy disaster waiting to happen. I'd feel like a Sioux native voting for Custer if I cast a ballot for any of these asshats.
Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 10 2016,10:28 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am)
QUOTE
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Super Delegates
These are party leaders and elected officials who are free to back any candidate they choose.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2016,10:47 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am)
QUOTE
Too damn funny, almost shot my drink out my nose
Mid morning and drinking, this does explain a lot.
You do know that Hazelton and Betty Ford are one entity now?
And they take most insurances.
I'll pray for you.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 10 2016,11:32 am
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 10 2016,10:02 am)
QUOTE
We're phaacked no matter how we vote. Clinton is a banking-establishment crony that will say anything to get elected, Sanders will tax businesses into oblivion, and the entire Republican field is a foreign-policy disaster waiting to happen. I'd feel like a Sioux native voting for Custer if I cast a ballot for any of these asshats.
Sanders hasn't proposed increasing the taxes on corporations. He's proposing they pay the established tax rate instead of using loopholes and offshore accounts to get away with paying no taxes or a much much lower effective tax rate. He's also proposing that the Fed give small business loans at the same low interest rate they give to foreign banks. He's been helping and trying to help small business for most of his political life.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 10 2016,11:34 am
^^^^^^^For SB
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2016,1:05 pm
^^ for tweedle dumb
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 10 2016,1:34 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,11:32 am)
QUOTE
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 10 2016,10:02 am)
QUOTE
We're phaacked no matter how we vote. Clinton is a banking-establishment crony that will say anything to get elected, Sanders will tax businesses into oblivion, and the entire Republican field is a foreign-policy disaster waiting to happen. I'd feel like a Sioux native voting for Custer if I cast a ballot for any of these asshats.
Sanders hasn't proposed increasing the taxes on corporations. He's proposing they pay the established tax rate instead of using loopholes and offshore accounts to get away with paying no taxes or a much much lower effective tax rate. He's also proposing that the Fed give small business loans at the same low interest rate they give to foreign banks. He's been helping and trying to help small business for most of his political life.
But he has a snowball's chance in Hades, so we're left with Hillary "Goldman" Clinton and TrumpDump, which is like that old joke "Death or Ooga Booga."
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2016,1:37 pm
^^ yep, that's about right, and with our economy in the crapper the choice is obvious.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 10 2016,1:43 pm
Persoanly, I'd like to see Bernie win, just so I could watch all the far-right nutbags' heads explode. "We haven't seen a true leftist since FDR, so many millions are coming out of the woodwork to vote for Bernie Sanders," said Bill Maher. "These are people who have sat out for a long time because the Democrats became a corporatist, center-right party and the Republicans became radically right (and, of course, just plain nuts in many ways)."
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 10 2016,1:51 pm
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 10 2016,1:34 pm)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,11:32 am)
QUOTE
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 10 2016,10:02 am)
QUOTE
We're phaacked no matter how we vote. Clinton is a banking-establishment crony that will say anything to get elected, Sanders will tax businesses into oblivion, and the entire Republican field is a foreign-policy disaster waiting to happen. I'd feel like a Sioux native voting for Custer if I cast a ballot for any of these asshats.
Sanders hasn't proposed increasing the taxes on corporations. He's proposing they pay the established tax rate instead of using loopholes and offshore accounts to get away with paying no taxes or a much much lower effective tax rate. He's also proposing that the Fed give small business loans at the same low interest rate they give to foreign banks. He's been helping and trying to help small business for most of his political life.
But he has a snowball's chance in Hades, so we're left with Hillary "Goldman" Clinton and TrumpDump, which is like that old joke "Death or Ooga Booga."
This is exactly the problem Angelo was trying to point out.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 10 2016,10:06 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 10 2016,8:57 am)
QUOTE
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 10 2016,7:27 am)
QUOTE
(Expatriate @ Feb. 09 2016,5:42 am)
QUOTE
^^Unless we start to manage the runaway costs associated with our healthcare system we'll go broke. The day of healthcare for profit needs to end, mega bucks compensation packages, wall street profiting on illness, skyrocketing medication costs, $1,000.00 per pill and these costs are not only restricted to new patented drugs, drugs that have been on the market for years are climbing at an alarming rate..these same medications sell for a reasonable price in every other Industrialized nation with government run healthcare for all, as Sanders is proposing!
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
Republican, Democrat, independent the common denominator-we all get sick-we'll all have to face the over-inflated healthcare costs in this failed for profit system and it's still bankrupting US..
If healthcare in other Industrialized nations is working at up to a fifty % savings in some cases over what it costs US we're foolish not to go in that direction.
Healthcare is NOT a free-market decision, you can't just say that's too spendy, I'm not going to buy that! Our current for profit healthcare system operates like a monopoly, they've escalated price at every facet proving the free-market healthcare system a failure, using the sick as cannon fodder!
Take the time to look at Bernie's plan...don't be stupid and buy into the same old same, ask yourself why has every industrialized nation move in this direction...
I know. Profits are bad unless that profit finds it's way in to union members pockets. Right?
And did you just say you're worried about the country going broke?
Then why did you vote for Obama twice? Sounds kind of disingenuous to now all of a sudden be concerned.
•FY 2009 - Although this was President Bush's last budget, it was implemented during Obama's first year. Congress agreed to add the first year's worth of spending from the Economic Stimulus Act to this. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
•FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.293 trillion deficit.
•FY 2011 - It contributed $1.299 trillion to the debt.
•FY 2012 - The deficit was the largest in history, at $1.327 trillion.
•FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $901 billion, was less than $1 trillion.
•FY 2014 - The deficit projection in the budget was $744 billion.
•Current Budget - The deficit is projected to be $564 billion.
When the deficits from all these budgets are added together, President Obama increased the debt by $5.073 trillion.
While your at it...you should lead the fight to ensure every American has free energy. It's a shame how much companies like Xcel energy charges their customers and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do. Not like I can switch power companies or anything. Talk about a monopoly.
Whether you want to blame the Obama Administration or I want to blame the Bush Administration, it’s irrelevant, as the debt is here and it’s real!
The Republican answer to OUR debt problem, more tax cuts and more war at a time we can afford neither, refuse to honor our obligation to Social Security or Medicare ...We must pay OUR bills and promised obligations..We must revitalize OUR nation, if that means spending money in America consider that a far better investment for the American People than military Empire Building abroad..
President Bush, inherited a budget surplus, Then, hit with a recession, he took the budget into deficit. Then he cut taxes, in 2001 and 2003 primarily for the wealthy without spending cuts growing the deficit, he took US into Afghanistan and Iraq, with the promise of a quick cheap victory neither of which came to fruition..add to that Medicare Part D, a bone to the Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industries, with no means of price control drug prices have escalated,( not that Part D isn't necessary but it was designed as a corporate giveaway) add to that the continued attack on the working class by Executive Order and congressional legislation and it brings US to the biggest financial crisis (bail-out) and recession since the 1929 crash and the Great Depression, GDP and tax collections tanked..
The truth here is Government spending was initiated by the so called Conservative (Bush) Administration.. Given the extent of the mess Obama inherited I’d say those deficits aren't all his fault.. Add to that the party of NO (Republicans) have controlled the government purse strings for the last five years!!
Had we followed the austerity measure you long for America would be the new Greece or worse..
QUOTE
It's a shame how much companies like Xcel energy charges their customers and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do. Not like I can switch power companies or anything. Talk about a monopoly.
Before your rates can be increased in Minnesota, Xcel must justify those increases with the Public Utilities Commission, a bipartisan Government entity that protects the consumer.. the kind of big government you tards want gone...
You're getting a good deal on electric rates, you don't have to use it..why don't you go back to candles and kerosene..
You're awfully quick to chirp about how Bush inherited a budget surplus. (Mind you it was an artificial bubble created by the dot.com era)
Wouldn't it also be fair to acknowledge that Bush inherited radical terrorism whose ideology and anger was incubated under the Clinton administration? 9/11 changed the world and Clinton failed to prevent it when he had the chance.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 10 2016,10:21 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
If that doesn't sound like socialism...Bernie earned the win then they give the rewards to the second place finisher. You can't make it up.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 10 2016,10:42 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 10 2016,10:21 pm)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
If that doesn't sound like socialism...Bernie earned the win then they give the rewards to the second place finisher. You can't make it up.
CC
QUOTE
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
Because he DID win, he won with We the people.
It's effing ridiculous. Bullcrap party bullshiit. Establishment politics.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,4:42 am
(alcitizens @ Feb. 10 2016,9:01 am)
QUOTE
Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
< http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/ >
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
< http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/ >
^^
Sounds like the powers that be don't want his silly ass.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 11 2016,5:35 am
I think it was decided back when she lost to Obama and they gave her SOS. "You can be President next time". Kind of shows the sorry state of our election process. Like I said before, Bernie has both parties scared because he is against what both represent.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,5:37 am
Our clueless QUOTE
You're awfully quick to chirp about how Bush inherited a budget surplus. (Mind you it was an artificial bubble created by the dot.com era)
Bernie addressed the Senate in 2012 on this subject, little has changed the Republicans still want to balance the debt problem on the backs of the working class while giving more tax-cuts to the wealthy...I did say we went into a recession, but it was the Bush bumbling that compounded the problem and began the escalation in OUR national debt..
QUOTE
Wouldn't it also be fair to acknowledge that Bush inherited radical terrorism whose ideology and anger was incubated under the Clinton administration? 9/11 changed the world and Clinton failed to prevent it when he had the chance.
Lets not forget; Reagan armed and trained these Mideast "radical terrorist" as you call them.. I believe Reagan told US they were FREEDOM fighters...
flip/flop Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,5:59 am
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,6:26 am
Elizabeth Warren Explains The Effect That Deregulation Has Had On Our Financial System and Economy ..This I believe WILL be Bernie's Vice President, listen to what she's saying we need to reverse the Republican Deregulation insanity before the collapse...
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 11 2016,6:33 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,10:42 pm)
QUOTE
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 10 2016,10:21 pm)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 10 2016,9:51 am)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
If that doesn't sound like socialism...Bernie earned the win then they give the rewards to the second place finisher. You can't make it up.
CC
QUOTE
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
Because he DID win, he won with We the people.
It's effing ridiculous. Bullcrap party bullshiit. Establishment politics.
So redistribution does suck when you're on the wrong end. Hmmm. I see.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,6:48 am
(Expatriate @ Feb. 11 2016,6:26 am)
QUOTE
Elizabeth Warren Explains The Effect That Deregulation Has Had On Our Financial System and Economy ..
This I believe WILL be Bernie's Vice President, listen to what she's saying we need to reverse the Republican Deregulation insanity before the collapse...
This I believe WILL be Bernie's Vice President, listen to what she's saying we need to reverse the Republican Deregulation insanity before the collapse...
Elizabeth Warren, stop it
stop it stop it She has all the intellect of Nancy Pelosi
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,7:00 am
^There's really no way to measure your stupidity..As usual, you go to personal attack when you can't defend the subject matter..
Give US your great wisdom gear-jammer, explain to US how deregulation of the Wall Street Banksters benefits the average American!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,9:48 am
^^< http://www.forbes.com/sites...ff75780 >
Now, explain to me that raising taxes pretty much across the board are going to stimulate our economy
Explain to me Buster's new budget that also raises taxes, again, across the board, spending over 4 trillion, asking for a $10 per barrel tax with this sticking it to middle and lower class tax payers is going to grow our economy? Tell me why we're possibly going into recession again? Tell me why we never really came out of the recession of '07 considering our GDP of a lackluster <2%?C'mon, oh sh!t for brains, tell me why we should double down on horsesh!t leadership?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 11 2016,12:32 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 11 2016,6:33 am)
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Democratic Delegates
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
Hillary Clinton: 394
Bernie Sanders: 42
Not yet allocated: 4,327
Needed to win nomination: 2,382
What the hell are superdelegates anyway? I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of them until last night and haven't been able to check into it yet. On first assumptions, it sounds to me like an establishment party thing.
Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
If that doesn't sound like socialism...Bernie earned the win then they give the rewards to the second place finisher. You can't make it up.
CC
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Why is everyone running around claiming a Bernie win if Clinton took the majority of the delegates?
Because he DID win, he won with We the people.
It's effing ridiculous. Bullcrap party bullshiit. Establishment politics.
So redistribution does suck when you're on the wrong end. Hmmm. I see.
Yet no matter how many times actual redistribution is pointed out you ignore it and instead keep blaming poor from stealing from the rich. Certain corporations paying no taxes or even getting rebates? No comment from you.
CEO pay skyrocketing while wages stagnate? No comment from you.
How about the trading of worthless stocks that the bankers and rating agencies lied about and sold? Think that didn't hurt the regular people all over the country? - And even other countries? People's retirement money? Towns and cities? All these people who had money invested and, let's be honest, stolen. No comment on the ratings agencies lying for the banks? No comment on the silencing of whistle-blowers? No comment on businesses crashing and people losing jobs because of this?
No comment on the revolving door of banking people/government employees?
How about the LIBOR rigging which apparently isn't a big deal because it's impossible to nail down who lost what, while the riggers cashed in.
Or the ISDAFIX scam. Pretty much impossible to nail down exactly who lost money while banks were rigging things to increase their profits. And of course the government slaps them on the wrist and gets some of their profit for themselves. Over and over.
Yep, it's the poor stealing from the rich alright. Give me a break.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 11 2016,1:01 pm
SB, you answer Expat's question with that ridiculous article? And did you even click on the link that article used? I'm sorry but that has to be the dumbest and least informative link I've ever seen.Even if that pathetic reference from your article is true, that doesn't mean anything. For the most part, it doesn't matter how many regulations are imposed if they are actually meaningless. Impose some meaningless and pointless regulations while doing away with the big important ones? Come on, I know you are smarter than that.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 11 2016,1:23 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 11 2016,1:01 pm)
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Come on, I know you are smarter than that.
Rosalind, you're really walking out on a limb on this one.
Remember, we must base assertions on facts. And, at this point, I see none.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 11 2016,1:35 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 11 2016,1:23 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 11 2016,1:01 pm)
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Come on, I know you are smarter than that.
Rosalind, you're really walking out on a limb on this one.
Remember, we must base assertions on facts. And, at this point, I see none.
OMGosh
I honestly don't think he's stupid, I think he's just thick headed, and for whatever reasons, he feels the need to be stuck inside the same box he's always been in, and keep the same world view he's always had, no matter what.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,2:29 pm
I can't even get the tards Forbes page to open...He can't respond to questions or defend positions, he's a typical dimwit tard...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,2:41 pm
How about ..I don't want a loser who couldn't hold a job in the private sector.
I don't want to see this country on a road to socialism, no matter how special you think it is.
I've worked (yes actually worked Exturd and Twink) and I'd like to keep what's mine.
And for Roz, I quit clicking or watching anything that idiot links up, it's a total waste of time 90% of the time.
And if any of you three inbreds don't like what I post
there is an ignore button.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,2:52 pm
^^ you're a nickle and dimer Dipsh!t, you can't afford to pay for unlimited data..that's the true reason you can't stream..idgitYou spend your whole day on the forum, you don't move enough freight to feed yourself...Fat Boy...
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I've worked (yes actually worked Exturd and Twink) and I'd like to keep what's mine.
When I wake up in the morning my dick is harder than you've ever worked you lazy scab idgit..
You couldn't even get in the door where I worked; your resume would never make it past the personnel manager.
You never had the work ethic to make it though a postsecondary education program and earn a degree...and if you phoneyed up a resume you'd never pass the entrance exam, and if someone gave you the answers they'd figure out you're an idgit at the interviews...
It really seems to be typical, almost all of our Repblitard posters have a substandard IQ...
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 11 2016,4:10 pm
What Jughead doesn't realize is that without the high top tax rates of the 50's and 60's, those SuperSlab highways he drives on wouldn't exist. Derp.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,4:44 pm
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When I wake up in the morning my dick is harder than you've ever worked you lazy scab idgit..
You couldn't even get in the door where I worked; your resume would never make it past the personnel manager.
You couldn't even get in the door where I worked; your resume would never make it past the personnel manager.
I thought you said you haven't had sex (a least with a woman) for eight years. What do you do, stick your thumb up your ass to get it hard?
Personal manager? They have those at the rest area? By the way, I over heard a couple of long haulers on the dock the other day, they say you have the softest hands.
Keep up the good fight Mr Love Canal
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,4:53 pm
Like I said you're an idgit, it's personnel manager NOT Personal manager..you really have some kind of homophobic agenda in your posts..since you admit to having gay friends and you're definitely a Republican being bent over is your normal position...give it up idgit, you don't have the smarts that's why you're a Republitard...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,4:55 pm
^^no really, I meant that usage, personal manager, someone as stupid as you needs a pimp to set up your "dates"
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,5:00 pm
^pffft.. the best the idgit can do..F..N..Republitards..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,5:05 pm
^^I'll let you in on a little secretDo you have the slightest idea (probably not
) how much you entertain me during the day?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,5:25 pm
Well it's pretty apparent scab; you do nothing productive, you spend your day typing your tard god, guns and apple pie freedom sh!t rather than working..like most propagandist brainwashed tards someday you'll be a tax burden on those of US who actually worked and made REAL money..you scab bitch...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,5:30 pm
^^Can't you just feel the love?
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 11 2016,6:34 pm
Geez, get a room, you two.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2016,6:41 pm
^^ I'd probably have to talk to his pimp first
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 11 2016,7:52 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2016,8:42 pm
Just when I thought SB was the stupidest tard to post here CC proves me wrong..Milton Friedman preaches greed.. I pride myself as a student of history, every great empire throughout history has eventually fallen because of greed and
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 11 2016,11:52 pm
Milton Friedman? Is that your defense of corrupt government and lying thieves? Greed is good?
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 12 2016,3:57 am
No, he may plead insanity on several counts. But that would be a lie also.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 12 2016,5:54 am
Excellent videoGreed is good, it drives innovation, it stimulates creativity, it lifts from poverty, and those who deny it are liars, not only to others but to themselves.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 12 2016,6:45 am
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 12 2016,6:52 am
No wonder there are idiots on this site that like Batsh!t< http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ce.html >
< http://www.investors.com/politic...r-money >
< https://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2016...sanders >
Who is Batsh!t? A total loser.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 12 2016,7:15 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 12 2016,7:23 am
^^Showing family photos? Doesn't that belong in misc.?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 12 2016,8:02 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 12 2016,5:54 am)
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Excellent video
Greed is good, it drives innovation, it stimulates creativity, it lifts from poverty, and those who deny it are liars, not only to others but to themselves.
Greed is good, it drives innovation, it stimulates creativity, it lifts from poverty, and those who deny it are liars, not only to others but to themselves.
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite control the government. I thought the US was supposed to be ran by We the People?
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite could operate in any way they wanted to as long as a few people make money, to the detriment of the majority.
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite could literally steal from We the people.
That is what is at issue here SB. Not a single person here in this forum has advocated for the government to stop capitalism, and neither does Bernie Sanders. We don't want the government corrupted anymore to serve the interests of the bankers and the corporations, we want it to actually represent We the people.
You complain that you don't want your money taken to pay for others to go to college or to pay for other's medical expenses (although apparently you have no problem with your money being taken to kill people in other countries) . But you don't listen to anyone when we try to explain what Bernie himself is actually proposing, and how he proposes to pay for it.
And here's another thing. If Bernie Sanders was to become president, he would make his proposals to US and to Congress (not make EO's like certain others) and if his proposals were found to be sound and have merit, then they would move forward to being implemented.
If he was to become president, free college and free medical would NOT just magically appear.
You ever stop to think that if maybe the banks and certain corporations weren't rigging the system and literally stealing from people that you might even be better off than you are already?
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From one of my favorite songs:
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Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 12 2016,8:14 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 12 2016,10:20 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 12 2016,8:02 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 12 2016,5:54 am)
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Excellent video
Greed is good, it drives innovation, it stimulates creativity, it lifts from poverty, and those who deny it are liars, not only to others but to themselves.
Greed is good, it drives innovation, it stimulates creativity, it lifts from poverty, and those who deny it are liars, not only to others but to themselves.
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite control the government. I thought the US was supposed to be ran by We the People?
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite could operate in any way they wanted to as long as a few people make money, to the detriment of the majority.
I didn't realize that capitalism meant that bankers and corporate elite could literally steal from We the people.
That is what is at issue here SB. Not a single person here in this forum has advocated for the government to stop capitalism, and neither does Bernie Sanders. We don't want the government corrupted anymore to serve the interests of the bankers and the corporations, we want it to actually represent We the people.
You complain that you don't want your money taken to pay for others to go to college or to pay for other's medical expenses (although apparently you have no problem with your money being taken to kill people in other countries) . But you don't listen to anyone when we try to explain what Bernie himself is actually proposing, and how he proposes to pay for it.
And here's another thing. If Bernie Sanders was to become president, he would make his proposals to US and to Congress (not make EO's like certain others) and if his proposals were found to be sound and have merit, then they would move forward to being implemented.
If he was to become president, free college and free medical would NOT just magically appear.
You ever stop to think that if maybe the banks and certain corporations weren't rigging the system and literally stealing from people that you might even be better off than you are already?
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From one of my favorite songs:
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Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
You're really into conspiracy theory aren't you?
Follow these folks much?
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group >
Banks controlling everything, ripping off folks? Fixed the blender, didn't you?
I think I'll stick with Lib and the definition of socialist which Batsh!t is.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 12 2016,10:31 am
^^
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 12 2016,3:06 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 12 2016,5:54 am)
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Greed is good
Spoken from a self-described Christian. A vacuum of ethics made clear.
Joining such like-minded figures as Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Paul Castellano, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Jamie Dimon, Henry Paulson, Carl Icahn, Steven Cohen, Donald Trump.
Which Boy Scout troop was it they belonged?
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 12 2016,4:05 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 11 2016,8:42 pm)
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Just when I thought SB was the stupidest tard to post here CC proves me wrong..Milton Friedman preaches greed..
I pride myself as a student of history, every great empire throughout history has eventually fallen because of greed and corporation, it really doesn't take that bright of mind to see that's the Republican platform...
I pride myself as a student of history, every great empire throughout history has eventually fallen because of greed and corporation, it really doesn't take that bright of mind to see that's the Republican platform...
You need a new history book. Listen to him. Don't just hear him.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 12 2016,4:12 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 11 2016,11:52 pm)
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Milton Friedman? Is that your defense of corrupt government and lying thieves? Greed is good?
Same goes for you. If you listen to him, he is saying there is greed even in socialist countries. Leaders, even in socialist countries, do not surround themselves with people based on their virtue. It's about their own power and their own wealth and we're all just pawns.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 12 2016,4:22 pm
Like I said before, what does Bernie have to do with Socialism. You all sound like a broken record. This country will never be a true socialist country. He just wants fairness. Get off it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 12 2016,5:37 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 12 2016,3:06 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 12 2016,5:54 am)
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Greed is good
Spoken from a self-described Christian. A vacuum of ethics made clear.
Joining such like-minded figures as Vito Genovese, Carlo Gambino, Paul Castellano, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Jamie Dimon, Henry Paulson, Carl Icahn, Steven Cohen, Donald Trump.
Which Boy Scout troop was it they belonged?
Wow, comparing me with Carl Icahn and Jamie Dimon? Thank you
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 12 2016,8:03 pm
For those having difficulty distinguishing between ambition and greed.am·bi·tion
amˈbiSH(ə)n/
noun
a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work.
greed
ɡrēd/
noun
intense and SELFISH desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
Components of greed:
Early negative experiences
Misconceptions about the nature of self, life or others
A constant fear and sense of insecurity
A maladaptive strategy to protect the self
A persona to hide all of the above in adulthood
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 12 2016,9:04 pm
Greedy people beware - there are more of us than there are of you.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 12 2016,11:09 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 12 2016,8:03 pm)
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For those having difficulty distinguishing between ambition and greed.
am·bi·tion
amˈbiSH(ə)n/
noun
a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work.
greed
ɡrēd/
noun
intense and SELFISH desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
Components of greed:
Early negative experiences
Misconceptions about the nature of self, life or others
A constant fear and sense of insecurity
A maladaptive strategy to protect the self
A persona to hide all of the above in adulthood
am·bi·tion
amˈbiSH(ə)n/
noun
a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work.
greed
ɡrēd/
noun
intense and SELFISH desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
Components of greed:
Early negative experiences
Misconceptions about the nature of self, life or others
A constant fear and sense of insecurity
A maladaptive strategy to protect the self
A persona to hide all of the above in adulthood
If SB would pay attention to the Word, Greed is a sin. That is what really ticks me off with the ones that portrait themselves as Christian, while eyeing the gold in your teeth.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 13 2016,1:52 am
(grassman @ Feb. 12 2016,11:09 pm)
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Greed is a sin. That is what really ticks me off with the ones that portrait themselves as Christian, while eyeing the gold in your teeth.
Agreed. There are the seven virtues to consider also. But enough of hijacking this thread. Back to intractable vicious politics.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,4:57 am
If it helps you at all (not that I gave a sh!t) I never said I was a good Christian. I help my family and a friend in need. Losers in life that should pick their ass up off the couch, sloth is a sin too.And as far as "there are more of us than there is of you"? You'd be surprised, there is greed in everybody.
So if you want to turn this country to socialism(don't kid yourself Gman, that's what it is) fine. It'll create such an underground economy that socialist will long for the days of freedom, at least. On the extreme and hopefully unlikely end, civil war.
Now we're watching the two "D" candidates pander to the black vote, some for strike lady, some for Batsh!t. As I've said many times here, it's easy to get people to vote for you if you if you promise them free stuff.
As far as the word "ambition"? I'm quite familiar with that word, ambition has gotten me to where I am in life and I'm quite happy there. Maybe you should try getting up out of the wallow your in Twink, you probably need to put the bong down too.
It's all out there, help yourself.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 13 2016,6:19 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 12 2016,4:05 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Feb. 11 2016,8:42 pm)
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Just when I thought SB was the stupidest tard to post here CC proves me wrong..Milton Friedman preaches greed..
I pride myself as a student of history, every great empire throughout history has eventually fallen because of greed andcorporation corruption, it really doesn't take that bright of mind to see that's the Republican platform...
I pride myself as a student of history, every great empire throughout history has eventually fallen because of greed and
You need a new history book. Listen to him. Don't just hear him.
Greed is the equivalent gluttony, enough is never enough, and what's excessive?..where does this Money come from?..does it come from productive labor?..who actually WORKED for this money. In the case of healthcare that money originates with OUR premiums paid as insurance.
What justifies countless corporate officers skimming off 20, 30, 40 even a 100 million dollar yearly compensation package in some cases, all gained through OUR healthcare premiums at the expense of our nations health, both financially and physically.
The cost of this feudal healthcare system is burden we can no-longer bear..and it's been brought about by excessive greed, not the type of greed you might see as work ethic..
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It's about their own power and their own wealth and we're all just pawns
Pawns can be game changers when used effectively... And Bernie has an ARMY of those game changers..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,8:48 am
^^ what do you know about productive labor? (Let's make sure to use that word productive) you're Union. You expect paid time off, paid vacations, only work 40 hours a week then expect more money after that. Sure there are folks that know how to work the system to their advantage and might seem that they're just sliding by, maybe they are. But mostly it takes hard work to rise to the top, risk too. Something a typical slob like you doesn't understand.1-2-3-prepare for the weak "tard" insults.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 13 2016,9:54 am
Hard work!
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 13 2016,10:35 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 13 2016,8:48 am)
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^^ what do you know about productive labor?
Posted by grassman on Feb. 13 2016,10:47 am
...and along came Willie.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 13 2016,1:02 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 12 2016,4:12 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 11 2016,11:52 pm)
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Milton Friedman? Is that your defense of corrupt government and lying thieves? Greed is good?
Same goes for you. If you listen to him, he is saying there is greed even in socialist countries. Leaders, even in socialist countries, do not surround themselves with people based on their virtue. It's about their own power and their own wealth and we're all just pawns.
CC, I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what point you are trying to make. We're talking about the corruption in the United States government, which is supposed to represent the citizens of the United States.
Another thing about the "free market" which Friedman espoused, he said government should stay out of decisions on things like the Pinto gas tanks exploding on impact, which Ford knew about and decided the $13 to stop that problem was more expensive than paying the lawsuits they would get hit with when people died. Or government should stay out of regulating tobacco companies because people know the dangers of smoking and free market dictates that companies should be able to exist if there is a buyer for the product, no matter what. BUT, he neglects talking about how people actually did NOT know about the dangers of the Pinto car exploding, and people did NOT know the dangers of smoking.
Why didn't people know?
Because those companies yielded so much power over the media, research, and government itself.
Grassman:
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Like I said before, what does Bernie have to do with Socialism. You all sound like a broken record. This country will never be a true socialist country. He just wants fairness. Get off it.
Grassman, Botto, Stardust, Expat
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,1:10 pm
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 13 2016,10:35 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 13 2016,8:48 am)
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^^ what do you know about productive labor?
Have mom fetch another hot pocket Butt-O
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,1:18 pm
(grassman @ Feb. 12 2016,4:22 pm)
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Like I said before, what does Bernie have to do with Socialism. You all sound like a broken record. This country will never be a true socialist country. He just wants fairness. Get off it.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 13 2016,1:40 pm
Oh really.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,1:56 pm
This works also
Posted by grassman on Feb. 13 2016,2:25 pm
Oh! You so clever!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,2:52 pm
^^my parents were democrats
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 13 2016,4:26 pm
This is becoming more interesting with each post.The now infamous "greed is good" rant....another Freudian slip? Buried social anxieties escaping the unconscious?
Red-neck right wingers inevitably exercise human talents of greed, pride, lust, wrath. But leave virtue buried in the catacombs of their unconscious. Freud might suggest it is a consequence of too many porn mags.
More likely it's just plain old selfish expedience bred and born in a backyard sandbox.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 13 2016,4:52 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 12 2016,4:12 pm)
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It's about their own power and their own wealth and we're all just pawns.
This has become the excuse of poor "victimized" pawns, an excuse for them to play along with a corrupt system, an excuse to cheat, lie, steal, and grab power just like the big boys.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 13 2016,5:21 pm
^^ I guess this needs saying againYou're really full of yourself, aren't you?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 13 2016,5:25 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 13 2016,4:52 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 12 2016,4:12 pm)
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It's about their own power and their own wealth and we're all just pawns.
This has become the excuse of poor "victimized" pawns, an excuse for them to play along with a corrupt system, an excuse to cheat, lie, steal, and grab power just like the big boys.
But unlike the big boys, the little boys usually go to jail.
Just like that Peanut Butter company mentioned awhile back. And this:
$8 million in transactions violating Bank Secrecy Act. 5 years in prison
< http://www.justice.gov/opa...olating >
Make money with Madoff and violate the Bank Secrecy Act, get a fine:
< https://www.fincen.gov/news_ro...014.pdf >
< http://www.justice.gov/usao-sd...riminal >
< http://www.justice.gov/sites...ts).pdf >
Break the law by transferring hundreds of millions of dollars, and also loans to Iran and Cuba and terrorist organizations, and not cooperating with investigations. Get a fine
< https://www.treasury.gov/resourc...gan.pdf >
< https://www.treasury.gov/resourc...011.pdf >
Not to mention numerous other crimes JP Morgan has been involved in. Fine after fine. Nobody ever goes to jail. And that's just one bank.
SB so happy to be compared to Jamie Dimon...
SB:
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You're really full of yourself, aren't you?
Guess what you are full of SB?
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 13 2016,11:34 pm
Dear Rosalind. To my truest of true Valentines. Will you be mine?
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 14 2016,12:05 am
Darwinian capitalists should be given the chance to prove their theory. A tract of land somewhere free of all outside influence, leaving all socialist ideas behind. True survival of the fittest, without their mamma's milk bottle. A "Lord of the Flies" scenario. See how long it takes to become another Syria.Let the games begin.
Posted by Marneman on Feb. 14 2016,1:41 am
Very interesting catching up with what I missed, now back to the topic.I believe I said that there would be some dirty tricks pulled to screw over Sen. Sanders, looks like I was right. Even though Sanders won the New Hampshire primary the Democrat party machine (I guess the still hold power after all!) opted to award Clinton all the so called super delegates. When confronted with this backstabbing the party leadership mumbled something about how these super delegates could change their minds before the convention, Ha! like that would happen! And on top of that we hear the Clinton campaign complaining about all the dirty tricks the Sander's campaign is doing to them, Really!!
To make myself clear, I'm an old cold warrior, I stood eyeball to eyeball with the USSR back in the old cold war days and I wouldn't trust a commie if my life depended on it. But despite identifying myself as a Republican I can honestly say I like Bernie Sanders. While I believe in a capitalist system which our county was built on what we have today isn't it! When corporations pretty much dictate to the government what they can and can't do then the American people are getting screwed over.
And finally I like the original message of the occupy movement before the anargist took over just as I supported the tea parties original message before the far right nut jobs co-opted their message. (to be precise and in order Wall street has gotten to power full and the government should be obeying the Constitution.)
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 14 2016,3:47 am
(Marneman @ Feb. 14 2016,1:41 am)
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Very interesting catching up with what I missed, now back to the topic.
I believe I said that there would be some dirty tricks pulled to screw over Sen. Sanders, looks like I was right. Even though Sanders won the New Hampshire primary the Democrat party machine (I guess the still hold power after all!) opted to award Clinton all the so called super delegates. When confronted with this backstabbing the party leadership mumbled something about how these super delegates could change their minds before the convention, Ha! like that would happen! And on top of that we hear the Clinton campaign complaining about all the dirty tricks the Sander's campaign is doing to them, Really!!
To make myself clear, I'm an old cold warrior, I stood eyeball to eyeball with the USSR back in the old cold war days and I wouldn't trust a commie if my life depended on it. But despite identifying myself as a Republican I can honestly say I like Bernie Sanders. While I believe in a capitalist system which our county was built on what we have today isn't it! When corporations pretty much dictate to the government what they can and can't do then the American people are getting screwed over.
And finally I like the original message of the occupy movement before the anargist took over just as I supported the tea parties original message before the far right nut jobs co-opted their message. (to be precise and in order Wall street has gotten to power full and the government should be obeying the Constitution.)
I believe I said that there would be some dirty tricks pulled to screw over Sen. Sanders, looks like I was right. Even though Sanders won the New Hampshire primary the Democrat party machine (I guess the still hold power after all!) opted to award Clinton all the so called super delegates. When confronted with this backstabbing the party leadership mumbled something about how these super delegates could change their minds before the convention, Ha! like that would happen! And on top of that we hear the Clinton campaign complaining about all the dirty tricks the Sander's campaign is doing to them, Really!!
To make myself clear, I'm an old cold warrior, I stood eyeball to eyeball with the USSR back in the old cold war days and I wouldn't trust a commie if my life depended on it. But despite identifying myself as a Republican I can honestly say I like Bernie Sanders. While I believe in a capitalist system which our county was built on what we have today isn't it! When corporations pretty much dictate to the government what they can and can't do then the American people are getting screwed over.
And finally I like the original message of the occupy movement before the anargist took over just as I supported the tea parties original message before the far right nut jobs co-opted their message. (to be precise and in order Wall street has gotten to power full and the government should be obeying the Constitution.)
Good post!
Welcome!
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 14 2016,6:16 am
Drug companies spent $250 Million last year lobbying Congress while America pays the highest prices for medicines in the world. Multinational Drug companies even stopped U.S. citizens from importing & buying the identical medicines from Canada. Sen. Bernie Sanders interviews the nominee for head of the FDA. Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,6:26 am
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Darwinian capitalists should be given the chance to prove their theory. A tract of land somewhere free of all outside influence, leaving all socialist ideas behind. True survival of the fittest, without their mamma's milk bottle. A "Lord of the Flies" scenario. See how long it takes to become another Syria.
Let the games begin.
Let the games begin.
Yes, very attractive, all the capitalists go to a tract of land, set up themselves, as for the ones left behind?
Good luck, your going to need it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,7:05 am
(Expatriate @ Feb. 14 2016,6:16 am)
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Drug companies spent $250 Million last year lobbying Congress while America pays the highest prices for medicines in the world. Multinational Drug companies even stopped U.S. citizens from importing & buying the identical medicines from Canada. Sen. Bernie Sanders interviews the nominee for head of the FDA.
Yes, there is shady money in politics, some claiming "pure as the wind driven snow" virtue yet they can be just as seedy, even more.
< http://freebeacon.com/issues...w-about >
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 14 2016,7:52 am
At least you seem to be realizing that Big Pharma and big money are corrupting OUR country...The basic concept of union means, the act of uniting as a group, and in this case for all of US...so those political contributions belong to many members..for a Union to direct those funds to a politician or political group out to destroy the very concept of unions wouldn't be very smart..
Your hate of unions seems to resonate in every other post of yours..you admit you scabbed at Hormel's, I'm guessing one of those P-9ers gave you your comeuppance..hence your hatred of union..for you to come here and continue with that sentiment isn't the wisest..
Feelings still run deep in the Albert Lea-Austin area..
Part of this video is P-9 Austin and part is P-6 Albert Lea, it's a 4 part video on Youtube, when the P-6 negotiating table comes up, Bob Matters is the pissed off worker, Bob was Chief Steward at the time, (1983) the Company PRICK is Kenneth Griggy an LTV appointed president of Wilson's..
What Bob is pissed about the Company CUT our wages from $10.69 to $6.50 per hour, they took away most of our medical and dumped the pension plan..
Wilson was a profitable Company with something like 16,000 employees in several communities and states across the Country when LTV did what's called a hostile take over..the first year they sold off the pharmaceutical and sporting goods parts of Wilson's and started parting out the packinghouse division, ruining 16,000 families futures all for the sake of a corporate greed..a lot of this fast buck economy at the expense of the worker was brought about by deregulation, the Reagan era opened US to that as well the era of all out union busting.. enough is enough...it's, We The People.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,8:34 am
^^ no, no comeuppance or however you want to put it. It's just a really bad idea to jump up on the step of a truck, nasty diet of Maglight😬 Hormel? If I put some thought to it there were 30-40 lines I crossed and just didn't give a sh!t.Our gov has created the climate of lobbying, the companies are just looking out for their well being just as the powder puff Union cry babies are. There are all sorts of lobbyists, trucking, pharmaceutical, gun, union fags, etc, etc, etc. again, all a creation of our gov.
Next time you point fingers look on the mirror first, there's a bit of sh!t on your lips.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 14 2016,9:57 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 13 2016,5:25 pm)
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Guess what you are full of SB?
It's called puss.
Short U or long U. No difference. Scabs who cross picket lines are full of both.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 14 2016,10:25 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 13 2016,8:48 am)
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^^ what do you know about productive labor? (Let's make sure to use that word productive) you're Union. You expect paid time off, paid vacations, only work 40 hours a week then expect more money after that. Sure there are folks that know how to work the system to their advantage and might seem that they're just sliding by, maybe they are. But mostly it takes hard work to rise to the top, risk too. Something a typical slob like you doesn't understand.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,10:51 am
There's not much fun anymore, unions are down to about 11 or so % in this country and unless they work in the public sector, too chicken sh!t to strike.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 14 2016,10:59 am
^^Can you see the connection between your statement and OUR country's situation.. Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,1:39 pm
^^I can can see the last off the union's hold up in gov employment like little cowards. A place where with OSHA, NRLB and other alphabet agencies leaves little use for bargaining except maybe lunchroom colors?Our country now? You're the clown that exspouses republican evisoration for disagreeing, our country indeed.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,1:40 pm
(stardust14 @ Feb. 14 2016,9:57 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 13 2016,5:25 pm)
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Guess what you are full of SB?
It's called puss.
Short U or long U. No difference. Scabs who cross picket lines are full of both.
Hmmmm, seemed to have struck a nerve there.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 14 2016,1:46 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 14 2016,1:39 pm)
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exspouses republican evisoration
are you on the sauce again wtf does this tard talk mean...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,1:53 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 14 2016,1:46 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 14 2016,1:39 pm)
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exspouses republican evisoration
are you on the sauce again wtf does this tard talk mean...
Wow, for the umpteenth time, I don't drink.
Here dumbass, it's a metaphor, understand? Met-a-phor
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disembowelment >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 14 2016,2:03 pm
Now, back to the Batsh!t the clown show < http://www.marketwatch.com/story...5-11-15 >
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 15 2016,10:32 pm
Just watched a great C-span video of Bernie ripping into Greenspan in the late Nineties. No mercy. Spliced into the video was Greenspan later admitting his idea of world economics was all wrong. Priceless!!
It's no wonder, then, Bernie mistrusts the Obama/Hillary machine. Obama loading up his advisor team with Wallstreet scum, Hillary giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs scum. And many among the public complicit in Wallstreet crimes--- those who hold Wallstreet stock, shares, 401ks---mistrust Bernie for obvious reasons.
And I see no one in the public domain is willing to admit they be partners in the crime, causing them to appear more duped than scumbag Greenspan.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2016,9:17 am
Yep, a bright future with Batsh!t< http://www.breitbart.com/nationa...of-food >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2016,11:48 am
< http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016...r=https >Wow, only a 50% increase in the size of gov, what a bargain.
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Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 16 2016,12:09 pm
50% more SNAFU. Great. Anyone with a military background can appreciate that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2016,1:57 pm
^^ as much as we snipe at each other I think we can agree on o e thing with the present field of candidates,We're all
screwed.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 16 2016,3:25 pm
^you're the first one to bitch about your healthcare insurance premium increasing in cost...Sanders has the only plan to cut that cost and insure everyone. If Government can run the Healthcare system cheaper and better..then we should go that direction.. It's not unexplored territory, it has been proven to work by every industrialized Country in the world... Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 16 2016,4:43 pm
^^ yes, I believe he said we'd pay no more than $500 and save $5000 a year. Let's see, Buster said we'd save $2500 a year but my premium and my deductible have gone up again, hmmmm, using this logic with the socialist mindset I figure they'll just pop me the $5K every year and charge me the $500 just for poops and ha-has.How wonderful
Venezualan style healthcare
< http://youtu.be/xhYJS80MgYA >
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 16 2016,7:26 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 16 2016,3:25 pm)
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If Government can run the Healthcare system cheaper and better..
See, that's what's at issue. Government NEVER does anything cheaper and better. Those involved may go in with the best intentions, but eventually, you get bloated, self-interested nonsense.
Any candidate promising to create more jobs should consider a private business model to replace the current health insurance one. Because a government takeover of this isn't going to cheapen anything.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 17 2016,5:40 am
The biggest Danger I see with the Government controlling our healthcare is if the Republicans come to power, they'll hose US..But right now you guys are being hosed by the for profit healthcare system that's in place! How can anyone justify paying Mega bucks compensation packages with OUR healthcare premiums!
Started on Medicare last March, so far so good..part D needs some fine tuning, but otherwise it works great..IMO.
My premiums didn't increase, and there's 47 million old farts on Medicare who need much more medical attention than you young folks!
I really don't see any Republican Plan offered by any candidate that comes close..Hillary wants to expand Obamacare, that's still better than any Republican alternative.
I'll use the Kaiser Family Foundation report to back my statement, the Government operates Medicare on a 2 percent
Administrative fee, there's NO Mega Bucks compensation packages draining OUR premiums like private Insurance.
< https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7731-03.pdf >
Kaiser Family Foundation
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The costs of administering the Medicare program have remained low over the years –less than 2 percent of program expenditures. As such, program administration is not a contributing factor to Medicare’s expenditure growth. Administrative costs include all expenses by government agencies in administering the program (HHS, Treasury, the Social Security Administration, and the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission). Also included are the cost of claims contractors and other costs incurred in the payment of benefits, collection of Medicare taxes, fraud and abuse control activities, various demonstration projects, and building costs associated with program administration.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 17 2016,6:38 am
^^Well that's just fine and dandy for you, but watching the efficiency of our glorious gov over the years I think I'd take a pass. Sure I'll go on Medicare when I get to that age but even with my premiums going up I think putting my money into the private sector is much more productive. More innovation, more new drugs etc.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 17 2016,10:13 am
^I pointed out that the Government runs Medicare "Administratively" more efficiently then similar costs in the private sector...but that doesn't mean Medicare isn't being gouged by the for profit healthcare system..We're all paying what's an outrages price compared to the universal healthcare systems in the rest of the Industrialized World. Why is that?As for you and Medicare, have you read the proposals of the Republican Candidates..they plan to dump MEDICARE and turn it into a voucher system..good luck if you have any health issues...Trump's hard to pin down, but the rest of the Republicans plan to balance the budget on the back of Social Security and Medicare, both of which are funded independently and have nothing to do with the budget deficit..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2016,7:58 pm
< http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/20/politics/nevada-caucus-democrats-2016/ >Thou I think she's a lying, incompetent POS, she won,
Somebody lost, ummmm, what's-his-name?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 21 2016,4:44 pm
Rats on a sinking ship?< http://www.cnn.com/2016...clinton >
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 22 2016,6:32 am
Fox Noise poll, Neil Cavuto piece...< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ly.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 22 2016,8:35 am
^^ it's good to see you referencing FOX.Turn out in Nevada seems weak for the dems.
< http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs...rd-2008 >
Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 22 2016,9:04 am
I've been trying to do my research on my candidates lately and I've narrowed it down quite a bit. For the Dems the only person i will consider is Bernie. Hillary is out. that was a no brainer.Still open on the Repubs side but Bush, Cruz, and Kasich are out. Trump is the odd duck one. I think there could be a place for him, but not as the CiC. So in all likelihood he's out for me.
I have seen some of his plans, and how he plans on paying for them. At least he has a platform out there that people can look at and critique. haven't seen that from the others.
I see that Bernie has picked up the old Obama mantra of the "rich" paying their fair share.
I'd like to know, where does "rich" start, and what is a "fair share"?
There are many things we share common ideas on, starting with campaign finance reform. What a friggin' joke. Although not a deciding issue for me, I still feel it is important. hard to believe we'll have at least 2 candidates spend a billion dollars each trying to get elected. Imagine what we could do with that money in a positive way...
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 24 2016,7:54 am
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President Barack Obama will become the first president to visit Cuba in almost 90 years when he and first lady Michelle Obama travel to the island nation on March 21. But one of the most exciting things about the thawing of relations between Cuba and the U.S. is happening stateside right now: the possibility of clinical trials on a drug to prevent lung cancer, and possibly other cancers, too.
CimaVax, which is both a treatment and vaccine for lung cancer, has been researched in Cuba for 25 years and free to the Cuban public since 2011
CimaVax, which is both a treatment and vaccine for lung cancer, has been researched in Cuba for 25 years and free to the Cuban public since 2011
< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016...18.html >
There you have it, a not for profit Medical System out does the MOST expensive Medical System in the world..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2016,8:51 am
^^ I'll buy your one way ticket, go live in that shangrala Of course Buster is welcome there, communist love communist.
jThis is nothing more than grandstanding and feel good for Buster .
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2016,5:28 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 24 2016,7:54 am)
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President Barack Obama will become the first president to visit Cuba in almost 90 years when he and first lady Michelle Obama travel to the island nation on March 21. But one of the most exciting things about the thawing of relations between Cuba and the U.S. is happening stateside right now: the possibility of clinical trials on a drug to prevent lung cancer, and possibly other cancers, too.
CimaVax, which is both a treatment and vaccine for lung cancer, has been researched in Cuba for 25 years and free to the Cuban public since 2011
CimaVax, which is both a treatment and vaccine for lung cancer, has been researched in Cuba for 25 years and free to the Cuban public since 2011
< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016...18.html >
There you have it, a not for profit Medical System out does the MOST expensive Medical System in the world..
These people live in squalor, is this your idea of fair, everyone is brought down to a level of living like pigs?
< http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagjr002.php >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,5:55 am
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 25 2016,6:22 am
^^McCarthyism seems to be strong among you brainwashed tards, except when it comes to China and Vietnam where Corporate America makes a fast buck at the expense of the rest of US.. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD), as you've stated your wife is inflicted with, puts her at increased risk for both the development of primary lung cancer, as well as poor outcome after lung cancer diagnosis and treatment.
You owe President Obama thanks for thawing of relations between Cuba and the U.S., and this valuable advance in medication, that may well save your wife's life.
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CimaVax-EGF >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,7:03 am
^^ when the hell did I say my wife is inflicted with COPD?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 25 2016,7:11 am
This isn't the first time you've changed your story..I don't have time to backtrack every-time a pathological liar flip-flops..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,7:38 am
^^Wow, find the post where I said my wife has COPD, this should take you awhile since I never said that. Go ahead, I'll wait.In the mean time please have you nurse check your meds.
Posted by Liberal on Feb. 25 2016,8:14 am
My favorite BS Bernie meme.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,8:21 am
^^ Someone's gonna need to buy a lot of beer.Would this be good beer or that crap that Expat probably drinks, Old Style. (Yuck!)
Posted by Liberal on Feb. 25 2016,8:38 am
Old Style should be made illegal. I remember when the old Skyline liquor was giving away free 6pks of that swill in the late 80s. My 3 roomates and I each got a six pack. Once we tasted it we ended up throwing 20 of the 24 beers away.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,8:42 am
Buckhorn in the early 80's, if you had the returnables, 5 cases for $10.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 25 2016,10:17 am
The deposit on Buckhorn was more than the cost of the beer!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,1:54 pm
While I'm waiting for dumbass to come up with the post where I stated my wife has COPD we can watch this.< http://youtu.be/GUe-2Wu3HUE >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2016,4:31 pm
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 25 2016,10:17 am)
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The deposit on Buckhorn was more than the cost of the beer!
Nope, half the price, a case of empties was a dollar.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2016,4:56 am
< http://youtu.be/FlQ0fzABh5Y >
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 26 2016,1:50 pm
< Article >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2016,7:46 pm
So stroke lady won SC with 74%
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 28 2016,1:11 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 27 2016,7:46 pm)
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So stroke lady won SC with 74%
Who is it you're supporting again?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2016,6:05 am
^^ the absolute stomping into the ground of some socialist bastard who thinks lazy, shiftless, freeloading idiots should be pandered too.The next battle is against an incompetent, blame shifting criminal.
Are you paying attention?
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 28 2016,6:17 pm
It's likely most scabs will vote Clinton or Trump. Not much difference in many respects.
Posted by Marneman on Feb. 29 2016,12:31 am
I more worried that the Democrat machine has it in for Sanders. They obviously want Clinton to be the canidate and their doing evrything to insure her win. What will be funny is what will the machine do in the unlikly event she is indiated for anything prior to the election?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 29 2016,5:05 am
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It's likely most scabs will vote Clinton or Trump. Not much difference in many respects.
Love that word, money in my pocket, at least it used to be. Unions have gotten too weak to fight anymore, poor babies.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2016,4:35 am
< http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,8:27 am
If any Bernie supporters are bummed about the results from last night, don't fret too much. It turned out EXACTLY as he expected and predicted. He said he expected to win 4 states, and come close in one more, and that's what happened, and it's not over.< http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...0160301 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2016,8:34 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 02 2016,9:26 am
Don't be a tard. YOUR assets would be unchanged in a Sanders world. It's the one-percenters that have so rigged the system in their favor that would (finally) end up paying. The biggest problem I see is obviously thoughtful and intelligent people such as yourself can be swayed by a buzzword and a couple of FAUXNews soundbites.
FDR was a socialist. He put Glass-Steagall in place, brokered the New Deal and WPA, and this country enjoyed a half-century of economic prosperity. Then, neo-conservatives like Reagan and Clinton came in to power, and all that middle-class prosperity vanished. What is it going to take for you to see that?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,10:24 am
Botto my friend, please don't hurt your head on that wall.I know democratic party supporters are not going to like hearing this but, on the way to voting last night, one of our group asked what we would do if Bernie doesn't win the nomination. It was unanimous that we would write him in during the general election. It appears we're not the only ones with that plan. From listening to callers to CSpan this morning and reading comments on news articles, a lot of Bernie supporters plan on either writing him in or voting for an independent candidate. I think if Hillary does get the nomination, she is going to get far fewer votes than her and the DNC expect.
I know some democrat supporters are probably horrified at that prospect, but there is absolutely no way I would ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She may tell prettier lies than the republicans, but I'm not voting for lies.
Besides, I came to the realization this morning that Trump might even be better than Clinton. The rest of the world pretty much already hates us and is starting to give us the finger in subtle and not so subtle ways, but if Trump actually gets voted in as president...once the world is able to stop laughing, the
will be waving right out in the open all over the place. Maybe if we're knocked down a few pegs we'll stop screwing with so many other countries and then maybe we can try to focus on what will actually make this country better.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Mar. 02 2016,10:29 am
Botto Who do you think the Comme is going after all the 1% are broke. If you like him so well go live in Russia for a year?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2016,10:33 am
^^ When you talk of "tards" you should look in The mirror talking about Batsh!t. Do you actually think (probably not) that the money for all the free stuff he proposes will come from the 1%(every time you use that term you jealousy oozes) no, it'll come from where it always does, the middle class.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 02 2016,11:42 am
Again, you kooks have no problem with a system that redistributes wealth upward. But the minute someone says that system is rigged, and should be reversed, it's OMFG time.The real job creators are consumers. If all the consumers are broke, the whole system breaks down.
When you realize that YOUR tax burden as a percentage of your income is far higher than most multinational corporations', you'll begin to understand.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,11:43 am
OK OK OK, let's try another way to look at a couple of things. Go back and read comments in the Obamacare topic and How Does the Affordable Care Act Affect You topic. Like one forum republican kept saying, "have to get the costs of healthcare down." He also pointed out how the cost of education is extremely high and is another thing Dr.'s have to deal with. How do we get the costs of healthcare down? Why has the cost of higher education skyrocketed over the last couple of decades?
We're already experiencing a Dr. and nurse shortage, and it's only going to get worse.
The cost of college books and other materials have become outrageous, and for some reason it is becoming more difficult for students to be able to buy used books for classes. - I know this from my oldest becoming a nurse. There were a few different tricks that kept her from buying used materials. The one I REALLY blew a gasket over was they had to buy a new textbook which came bundled with a workbook. You could only buy them together, so she had to buy them together and the workbook had to be finished and handed in at the end of the course. She could not buy only the textbook and could not sell or give it away after she finished that course. Everyone is forced to buy new. And the costs for some of these books is insane and has risen way out of proportion to inflation. Just as medical costs have.
So, why don't you explain why we shouldn't like the idea of negotiating prices to pay similar to what other countries pay, and why we shouldn't like the idea of free education and free medical.
Negotiate, get prices down, things are more affordable, healthier people, more doctors, more highly educated people in virtually every field.
Lord knows, more Americans with an education can't possibly be a bad thing.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 02 2016,11:43 am
(pepi-lapew @ Mar. 02 2016,10:29 am)
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Botto Who do you think the Comme is going after all the 1% are broke. If you like him so well go live in Russia for a year?
Hey, room-temp IQ - be quiet. The grownups are talking.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,11:53 am
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 02 2016,11:42 am)
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Again, you kooks have no problem with a system that redistributes wealth upward. But the minute someone says that system is rigged, and should be reversed, it's OMFG time.
The real job creators are consumers. If all the consumers are broke, the whole system breaks down.
When you realize that YOUR tax burden as a percentage of your income is far higher than most multinational corporations', you'll begin to understand.
The real job creators are consumers. If all the consumers are broke, the whole system breaks down.
When you realize that YOUR tax burden as a percentage of your income is far higher than most multinational corporations', you'll begin to understand.
Let's say a small trucking company owner was transporting oil or any type of toxic chemical, but he/she was too irresponsible or cheap to make necessary repairs on a truck when needed. I wonder if the owner would be allowed to get a tax write off for some of the cost of cleaning up the mess if something happened during transport. I wonder if that trucking company would be allowed to stay in business.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 02 2016,12:27 pm
Nuff said
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,12:36 pm
Here's another one. I wonder what would happen if a small car lot owner decided to use a faulty part when repairing vehicles. The faulty part was a little cheaper than a good part, but he'd make more money using the crappy part. Some of the people who had repairs done at this place, or bought used cars from this place started having bizarre accidents and some people even died. An investigation is done and it's found out that faulty parts were being used, and also that even before using the parts, the small business KNEW that accidents and deaths were going to occur. What do you think would happen to that owner and employees who knew about this? No jail time for anyone? A fine for death settlements? The ability to use those fines as a tax write off? I wonder what would happen.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,1:59 pm
How about this.What do you think would happen to an American citizen who peacefully protested an auction of publicly owned land to oil companies, which was being conducted illegally by the government?
His form of protest was bidding on land with no ability or intention of paying for it in the end?
Peaceful protests are a right in America yes? This is America, civil disobedience is a good thing when protesting illegal activities of our government right?
This is America, you would expect this act of civil disobedience to get a fair trial right?
You wouldn't expect this citizen to be imprisoned for 2 years right? This is America, you'd expect if something like this was to happen, that the national news would be talking about it bigtime right?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 02 2016,3:12 pm
Hey, Rosalind, were you at the caucus last night? Anybody else? Our table went almost all Bernie. Any resolutions proposed? We went with ending dark money and Citizens United.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 02 2016,3:47 pm
Pepi is apparently unaware how much world/american resources the wealthy of this country control. Proof that ignorance is bliss. >since 2009 95% of wealth went to top 1%
> top wealthiest 1% possess 40% of the nation’s wealth (about $35 trillion)
>the top wealthiest 1% possess 40% of the nation’s wealth; the bottom 80% own 7%; similarly, the richest 1 percent in the United States now own more additional income than the bottom 90 percent". The gap between the top 10% and the middle class is over 1,000%; that increases another 1000% for the top 1%. The average employee needs to work more than a month to earn what the CEO earns in one hour.
But all that's okay with Pepi. Pepi believes low paying jobs are gifts from elitist pigs. Pepi believes these pigs can't afford to give up a cent of $35 trillion. Pepi prefers to grovel for health care, housing, and justice. Pepi calls that freedom. I call it subjugation through ignorance, weak will, and moral midgetry.
Go for it, Pepi. See how low your expectations can go. The wealthy will scrape you from the pavement with a putty knife and have you for dinner.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 02 2016,4:17 pm
My caucus was standing room only, every room I walked by was the same.Drove by the Dems location after, not many cars in the lot.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 02 2016,6:37 pm
(stardust14 @ Mar. 02 2016,3:12 pm)
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Hey, Rosalind, were you at the caucus last night? Anybody else? Our table went almost all Bernie. Any resolutions proposed? We went with ending dark money and Citizens United.
I was at the caucus last night, but unfortunately was only able to get enough time to vote and run. Really sucks because my son and I were all set to get more involved, and had a lot of information ready to help undecided voters decide, and possibly get Hillary voters to switch to Bernie. We think we had a good game plan. Took me a bit of persuading but I even finally had my son talked into trying to become a delegate and start his experience in politics. My mom was all prepared as well, and was all set to do the same at her precinct and she went and got food poisoning yesterday so she wasn't even able to go vote...we're a cursed family. I haven't talked to anyone else from our group yet. I'm hoping some of them stayed and participated.
I'm glad you were able to get some things done. Good job!
Whose idea was it to have the caucus at the club?? Damn that sucked. I hope some of the caucus goers were able to spend enough money to make up for the club losing customers. Everyone around us was pissed that it was being held there. What a mess. A couple of people I know said they left when they were stuck outside in line and some of the people in line told them that the line was barely moving and was snaked all through the club. I told them they sucked for leaving. But having it there really was ridiculous.
Why does it not surprise me that SB quotes lies and spin from a guy who choked his ex-wife and dragged her down steps by her neck?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 03 2016,12:33 am
It was a bit tricky. I went outside to inform those in line about how they could get inside to caucus, then vote later. Most tables were packed full. I agree bad idea to have it at Eagles. Were you there when the bartender began offering $2 beers to those in line? People say they don't like the inconvenience of voting but then seem to accept the next four years of getting screwed. Hope voting never comes to online. Just one more step to total non-participation. And one more venue in escaping Trumpy trolls.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 03 2016,3:54 am
Ah, caucusing at the bar, this is how Dems are attracting voters I bet their precinct captains come from methodone clinics.Free drugs, feel the bern
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 03 2016,4:51 am
(stardust14 @ Mar. 03 2016,12:33 am)
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It was a bit tricky. I went outside to inform those in line about how they could get inside to caucus, then vote later. Most tables were packed full. I agree bad idea to have it at Eagles. Were you there when the bartender began offering $2 beers to those in line?
People say they don't like the inconvenience of voting but then seem to accept the next four years of getting screwed. Hope voting never comes to online. Just one more step to total non-participation. And one more venue in escaping Trumpy trolls.
People say they don't like the inconvenience of voting but then seem to accept the next four years of getting screwed. Hope voting never comes to online. Just one more step to total non-participation. And one more venue in escaping Trumpy trolls.
No, I don't think we were there when the $2 beers were offered lol. We got there shortly before voting started and the line ended in the little hallway just outside the bar, by the door. By the time we finally got to inside the bar, which was probably a four foot journey, the line was all the way down the side of the bar, and by the time we were able to move another five feet, the lines had snaked around the bar and out the doors.
Thank you for taking it upon yourself to go outside and let people know about caucusing. That's awesome! Those DFLers appeared to need some help. The women at the voting table looked completely frazzled by the time we got up there. After we signed in, we were looking around wondering where to vote. Had no idea what was going on, one of the women looks at me and says "If you voted you can leave." I was still holding my sign in sheet and looking lost!!! I held up the paper and asked her where we were supposed to vote at. She points to the end of that little sign in table! Seriously?? No wonder it was taking so freaking long. What a mess.
I'm a bit cranky with a couple people I know who like/love Bernie and hate all the others, but they wouldn't take the time to go vote. Very frustrating. Yeah, like you said, they'll accept the next four years, but guaranteed, they'll be growling and grumbling the entire time.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Mar. 03 2016,9:26 am
My only comment was why should the 1% pay for every thing so the low lifes can set home and do nothing for the FREE_BEES. Most of the money CORPS. make goes out to share holders. And some are in 401Ks so retired people can have a good living. And if a person wants to work 12 to 16 hrs. a day I have no problem with the money they make. If is one dollar or ten million a year.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 03 2016,4:47 pm
Your comment proves the "1%" meme is just a meme. You're right. Millions of shareholders receive payments from corporations whose policy is lowest possible wage...except managers and execs. Shareholders can thus attempt recovering dollars not paid by corporations in decent wages. What about those not holding shares, usually the lower class? Shares, investments, 401ks use money from investors whose pathetic ethics allow them to suck money from both themselves and non-investors while banks siphon off billions--stab yourself and your neighbor in the back while keeping the wealthy able to put gas in their yachts. You bitch about freebies. Not much labor goes into sitting on your sofa collecting dividends from others back breaking work.
The public joined the easy money knife in the back investment game decades ago. Now the middle class whimpers as they cannabalize themselves. An economic system that preys upon itself while elitists collect billions in profits. The elites enjoy the many braindeads who have no clue what is happening, who believe there is no other choice, who believe screwing one another is good economic policy.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 03 2016,6:21 pm
^Wasted breath, that.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 03 2016,11:41 pm
^^True. Appears a few folks here are beyond help. Better words wasted here than in cushy liberal echo chambers that only massage the others' inflated sense of themselves. Ignorance has no ears. Implosion, as you suggested. Still, it's difficult not to pull and squash the blood sucking tic.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 04 2016,6:28 am
All of the bad points of the markets has been pointed out one way or another. It has been proven that the average investor is simple dessert for the main players. The crumbs that are allowed to fall off are just that. Enough to keep the mice coming back. The SEC has no power in it's bite. There was one judge who decided to go after the Banks in a punishable way....haven't heard much about him for a couple years now. hmmmm. This economy is rigged to the hilt, yet most everyone has been conditioned to believe, that is just the way things work.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2016,8:06 am
^^https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory^^
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 04 2016,9:39 am
Botto and Stardust, the brick walls can also be very useful tools. The brickheads aren't the only ones reading the information posted to them.
Grassman thank you! Dang, I had forgotten all about that judge. He recently got shot down in his fight. But, he has been influencing others at least, so hopefully at some point things can get better.
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U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff said he had little choice but to approve the deal, which did not require the bank to admit to any wrongdoing. But he said he feared the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' decision would rob such settlements of any "meaningful oversight."
"That court has now fixed the menu, leaving this court with nothing but sour grapes," he wrote in a brief opinion outlining his disappointment.
Rakoff had objected to the SEC's decades-old practice of letting some corporate defendants settle allegations without admitting or denying the charges, a decision that is credited with altering the public debate over such deals.
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The appeals court said Rakoff was wrong to require the SEC to show the "truth" of its allegations. Such fact-finding is left for trials, while "consent decrees are primarily about pragmatism," Circuit Judge Rosemary Pooler wrote for the court.
The SEC complaint against Citigroup concerned a 2007 sale of mortgage-linked securities debt that caused more than $700 million of investor losses.
"That court has now fixed the menu, leaving this court with nothing but sour grapes," he wrote in a brief opinion outlining his disappointment.
Rakoff had objected to the SEC's decades-old practice of letting some corporate defendants settle allegations without admitting or denying the charges, a decision that is credited with altering the public debate over such deals.
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The appeals court said Rakoff was wrong to require the SEC to show the "truth" of its allegations. Such fact-finding is left for trials, while "consent decrees are primarily about pragmatism," Circuit Judge Rosemary Pooler wrote for the court.
The SEC complaint against Citigroup concerned a 2007 sale of mortgage-linked securities debt that caused more than $700 million of investor losses.
< http://www.reuters.com/article/us-citigroup-sec-idUSKBN0G51OC20140805 >
Looking into what he's been up to has lead to some interesting articles.
Anyone who tries to dismiss the articles because it's not an MSM source, should instead try to show how the information is wrong. I haven't been able to research into all of the information from both articles yet, but from what I have checked out, and some of what I've previously known, I feel confident enough to post the information. There's really too much to try and copy and paste all of the big things, so try to read both articles entirely.
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Last week, three Federal appellate judges with lifetime appointments, meaning they will be receiving salary and benefits for as long as they choose on the taxpayer’s dime and then a nice, fat, secure pension also courtesy of the taxpayer, ruled that the very same public that makes their own existence so cushy is not entitled to truth or facts or justice when it comes to Wall Street. Truth, facts, justice are quaint relics of a bygone American past. Today, when it comes to Wall Street, Federal judges are simply there to rubber stamp the settlements of captured regulators and then quickly re-ink the stamp for the next shady settlement.
To fully grasp what happened last week you will first need to purge your mind of everything you think you know about Federal District Court Judge, Jed Rakoff, rejecting a smelly deal fashioned between the Securities and Exchange Commission and Citigroup and getting slapped down by an impartial appeals court for doing so. Other than the fact that Rakoff did reject the deal, you’ve likely been misled on all other facets of the matter.
That’s the world we live in today: corporate-owned media and corporate-owned political appointments are producing corporate-owned reality.
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The SEC and Citigroup separately appealed Rakoff’s decision to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. One of the Judges assigned to sit on the appeal was none other than Raymond Lohier who had (wait for it) been the Deputy Chief and then Chief of the Securities and Commodities Fraud Task Force at the U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York during the height of the financial collapse in 2008, 2009 and early 2010 when, amazingly, on March 10, 2010 President Obama nominated Lohier to become a Federal Appellate Judge, skipping that nuisance detail of first serving as a District Court Judge. Equally amazing, Lohier was quickly confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
Lohier was the man in charge when the trail and evidence was still hot against the largest Wall Street banks for engaging in fraud and causing the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Lohier did not bring one criminal case against any one of those banks’ executives. Now, he is sitting as Judge over the fairness of wrist slaps as a suitable alternative to the criminal cases he failed to bring.
In his Senate confirmation hearing, it was noted that Lohier prosecuted the case against Bernard Madoff. It was not noted that Madoff turned himself in and confessed to the crime, after the SEC had for decades ignored evidence that Madoff was running the largest Ponzi scheme in history.
To fully grasp what happened last week you will first need to purge your mind of everything you think you know about Federal District Court Judge, Jed Rakoff, rejecting a smelly deal fashioned between the Securities and Exchange Commission and Citigroup and getting slapped down by an impartial appeals court for doing so. Other than the fact that Rakoff did reject the deal, you’ve likely been misled on all other facets of the matter.
That’s the world we live in today: corporate-owned media and corporate-owned political appointments are producing corporate-owned reality.
...
The SEC and Citigroup separately appealed Rakoff’s decision to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. One of the Judges assigned to sit on the appeal was none other than Raymond Lohier who had (wait for it) been the Deputy Chief and then Chief of the Securities and Commodities Fraud Task Force at the U.S. Attorney’s office in the Southern District of New York during the height of the financial collapse in 2008, 2009 and early 2010 when, amazingly, on March 10, 2010 President Obama nominated Lohier to become a Federal Appellate Judge, skipping that nuisance detail of first serving as a District Court Judge. Equally amazing, Lohier was quickly confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
Lohier was the man in charge when the trail and evidence was still hot against the largest Wall Street banks for engaging in fraud and causing the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Lohier did not bring one criminal case against any one of those banks’ executives. Now, he is sitting as Judge over the fairness of wrist slaps as a suitable alternative to the criminal cases he failed to bring.
In his Senate confirmation hearing, it was noted that Lohier prosecuted the case against Bernard Madoff. It was not noted that Madoff turned himself in and confessed to the crime, after the SEC had for decades ignored evidence that Madoff was running the largest Ponzi scheme in history.
< http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014...tigroup >
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In a feeble public relations move, Bill Dudley, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and FINRA, the self-regulatory body on Wall Street, are making noises about cleaning up the culture on Wall Street. It’s always dangerous to make any predictions when it comes to Wall Street but in this case we can confidently predict that when it comes to the New York Fed and FINRA, the only possible impact they could have on the culture is to make it worse.
The New York Fed didn’t see a problem for Bill Dudley’s spouse to collect $190,000 a year in deferred compensation from JPMorgan Chase while the New York Fed served as the bank’s main regulator. The New York Fed didn’t see a problem for Citigroup’s CEO, Sandy Weill, or JPMorgan CEO, Jamie Dimon, to sit on its Board of Directors as their banks embarked on a serial reign of abuses against the investing public. In 2013, Carmen Segarra, a lawyer and former Bank Examiner at the New York Fed, filed a lawsuit alleging that Relationship Managers at the New York Fed obstructed her investigation of Goldman Sachs and attempted to bully her into changing her negative findings. When Segarra refused, she was fired by the New York Fed according to the lawsuit. Segarra later produced internal tape recordings backing up the toothless regulation of Goldman by the New York Fed.
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The New York Fed epitomizes failing up. Timothy Geithner was the President of the New York Fed from November 17, 2003 right through the buildup of unprecedented leverage and toxic subprime assets on Wall Street. He continued in the position until 2009, despite failing to foresee the impending crash or the systemic corruption. As a reward for his negligence as a regulator, President Obama appointed him to become the U.S. Treasury Secretary in 2009, where he proceeded to oversee an unprecedented taxpayer bailout of Wall Street.
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While Geithner headed the New York Fed, Citigroup entered a death spiral in 2007 and 2008 as a result of obscene executive pay, off balance sheet debt and gross mismanagement of its far flung enterprises. Geithner’s appointment calendar suggests he saw his role as a “Relationship Manager” not a regulator. As Citigroup veered toward insolvency in 2007 and 2008, Geithner held 29 breakfasts, lunches, dinners and other meetings with Citigroup executives.
Geithner not only hosted Sandy Weill to lunch at the New York Fed, but on January 25, 2007, Geithner brought his teenage daughter to the lunch. Geithner’s appointment calendar shows his daughter sharing his chauffeured car to work with her father and accompanying him at his lunch with Weill. A few months later, on May 17, 2007, Geithner joined Weill for breakfast at the expensive Four Seasons.
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Now the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, a self-regulator known as FINRA, has joined the culture clean-up brigade. In a statement earlier this month, FINRA noted that “One estimate places fines and litigation costs to firms, or their parent companies, related to cultural failures at over $300 billion since 2010.”
What FINRA is missing in this context is that crime is its own profit center on Wall Street. The firms may have paid $300 billion in fines and litigation costs but the crimes initially produced huge profits, obscene executive pay and multi-million dollar bonuses – monies that were never clawed back in the majority of cases. No one went to jail in the majority of these cases either.
The New York Fed didn’t see a problem for Bill Dudley’s spouse to collect $190,000 a year in deferred compensation from JPMorgan Chase while the New York Fed served as the bank’s main regulator. The New York Fed didn’t see a problem for Citigroup’s CEO, Sandy Weill, or JPMorgan CEO, Jamie Dimon, to sit on its Board of Directors as their banks embarked on a serial reign of abuses against the investing public. In 2013, Carmen Segarra, a lawyer and former Bank Examiner at the New York Fed, filed a lawsuit alleging that Relationship Managers at the New York Fed obstructed her investigation of Goldman Sachs and attempted to bully her into changing her negative findings. When Segarra refused, she was fired by the New York Fed according to the lawsuit. Segarra later produced internal tape recordings backing up the toothless regulation of Goldman by the New York Fed.
...
The New York Fed epitomizes failing up. Timothy Geithner was the President of the New York Fed from November 17, 2003 right through the buildup of unprecedented leverage and toxic subprime assets on Wall Street. He continued in the position until 2009, despite failing to foresee the impending crash or the systemic corruption. As a reward for his negligence as a regulator, President Obama appointed him to become the U.S. Treasury Secretary in 2009, where he proceeded to oversee an unprecedented taxpayer bailout of Wall Street.
...
While Geithner headed the New York Fed, Citigroup entered a death spiral in 2007 and 2008 as a result of obscene executive pay, off balance sheet debt and gross mismanagement of its far flung enterprises. Geithner’s appointment calendar suggests he saw his role as a “Relationship Manager” not a regulator. As Citigroup veered toward insolvency in 2007 and 2008, Geithner held 29 breakfasts, lunches, dinners and other meetings with Citigroup executives.
Geithner not only hosted Sandy Weill to lunch at the New York Fed, but on January 25, 2007, Geithner brought his teenage daughter to the lunch. Geithner’s appointment calendar shows his daughter sharing his chauffeured car to work with her father and accompanying him at his lunch with Weill. A few months later, on May 17, 2007, Geithner joined Weill for breakfast at the expensive Four Seasons.
...
Now the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, a self-regulator known as FINRA, has joined the culture clean-up brigade. In a statement earlier this month, FINRA noted that “One estimate places fines and litigation costs to firms, or their parent companies, related to cultural failures at over $300 billion since 2010.”
What FINRA is missing in this context is that crime is its own profit center on Wall Street. The firms may have paid $300 billion in fines and litigation costs but the crimes initially produced huge profits, obscene executive pay and multi-million dollar bonuses – monies that were never clawed back in the majority of cases. No one went to jail in the majority of these cases either.
...
< http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016...-street >
EDIT:
I should have posted this in the topic about Government corrupted by banks and corps.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 04 2016,10:32 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 04 2016,8:06 am)
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^^https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory^^
...and SB pipes in....sure is dark in here. Ah a gold ring!
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 04 2016,11:36 am
OMG! ALDF on the verge of crashing due to high response from Republican debate. A comment found online: "Fact checking the Republican debate is like analyzing my dog's thoughts on the Russo-Japanese War or the Monroe Doctrine.
And he's a smart boy."
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2016,2:36 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 04 2016,6:28 am)
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This economy is rigged to the hilt, yet most everyone has been conditioned to believe, that is just the way things work.
Your post seems to suggest your paranoia, your fear that the deck is stacked against you.
Maybe you should pull out and look around, you might be surprised and realize that outside your circle of family and friends, nobody gives a sh!t about you, nobody's trying that hard to hamstring you.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 05 2016,6:11 am
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2016,7:20 am
^^...and as I told Gman, nobody's out there to screw you over, your paranoia is unfounded.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 05 2016,9:06 am
I bet this guy never gets asked back on Fox news lol. I wonder if the interviewer lost any hearing in her ear from the producer screaming in her earpiece.. Her last comment just shows they think their viewers are brain dead. < View on YouTube >
And SB, your willful ignorance is astounding.
Stardust!!
I only caught the last half hour or so, but when I get the time I can't wait to see the whole thing. Sounds like it was pretty dang funny. The post debate interviews that O'Reilly did were freakin HILARIOUS. He pretty much blames Kasich for not doing better and not getting more attention because he doesn't act like an idiot like the others do lol. It's too funny. Sad, but funny.
< View on YouTube >
And I think O'Reilly had a few drinks while he was watching the debate.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 05 2016,9:09 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 05 2016,7:20 am)
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^^...and as I told Gman, nobody's out there to screw you over, your paranoia is unfounded.
The notion that the system is increasingly rigged for the top 1% - Paranoia
The notion that Bernie is going to tax the crap out of working-class Americans - Fact
Have you looked at your own thought bubble, lately?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 05 2016,12:49 pm
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2016,1:15 pm
Roz, are you even watching any of these vids before you post them? Especially the one with the references to Venezuela? Or are you as brain dead are I think you are.
And the Batsh!t vid? I bet he believes 911 was an inside job and the towers were brought down with explosives?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 05 2016,1:36 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 05 2016,1:15 pm)
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Roz, are you even watching any of these vids before you post them? Especially the one with the references to Venezuela?
Or are you as brain dead are I think you are.
And the Batsh!t vid? I bet he believes 911 was an inside job and the towers were brought down with explosives?
Or are you as brain dead are I think you are.
And the Batsh!t vid? I bet he believes 911 was an inside job and the towers were brought down with explosives?
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Roz, are you even watching any of these vids before you post them? Especially the one with the references to Venezuela?
Or are you as brain dead are I think you are.
Or are you as brain dead are I think you are.
OMGosh
Killin me
Oh damn! LMAO
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And the Batsh!t vid? I bet he believes 911 was an inside job and the towers were brought down with explosives?
What is comparable to anything having to do with 911?
Dude, seriously, stop, my ribs hurt.
LMAO, got me laughing so hard I forgot to hit submit and just exited lol, had to come back and write this comment all over again.
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Dangit, got me laughing so hard I didn't get some of my original comment in here when I redid it !!
The only "references to Venezuela" were the ones he made describing the difference between democratic socialism and totalitarian socialism!! And how Sanders and several other countries are NOTHING like Venezuela's! And that's why he made the biggest donation allowable to Sanders, because he'd rather give a candidate who believes in FREE MARKET, and also democratic socialism, money and support, rather than a candidate who supports, or takes money from, totalitarian regimes!!
Typical Fox viewer huh?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2016,2:17 pm
^^wow, you really are brain damaged, you just used my same quote in one way or another three times.Cocktail hour starts early at your house.
You need to realize socialism is socialism and a slippery slope it becomes when it's practiced. If Batsh!t's policies were to come to fruition companies would pull out of the US, an underground economy would spring up, shortages would pop up as mentioned in the video and the only way to enforce his policies would be arrests, dissenters would probably be "taken care of"
This has become like, well,
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2016,2:55 pm
Then again, there are some that can't handle capitalism < http://www.kare11.com/news...9471139 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 05 2016,3:52 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 05 2016,2:17 pm)
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^^wow, you really are brain damaged, you just used my same quote in one way or another three times.
Cocktail hour starts early at your house.
You need to realize socialism is socialism and a slippery slope it becomes when it's practiced. If Batsh!t's policies were to come to fruition companies would pull out of the US, an underground economy would spring up, shortages would pop up as mentioned in the video and the only way to enforce his policies would be arrests, dissenters would probably be "taken care of"
This has become like, well,
Cocktail hour starts early at your house.
You need to realize socialism is socialism and a slippery slope it becomes when it's practiced. If Batsh!t's policies were to come to fruition companies would pull out of the US, an underground economy would spring up, shortages would pop up as mentioned in the video and the only way to enforce his policies would be arrests, dissenters would probably be "taken care of"
This has become like, well,
Yeah, I was laughing so hard I had tears and kept having technical problems because I couldn't see very well! lol
Goodgod, here's the thing.
Is America a representative republic? Or is it capitalist?
Don't say both, because it's been shown over and over and over again in this forum how America definitely is NOT representative of WE THE PEOPLE anymore.
The same people and corporate interests overwhelmingly run the show, and that has been shown over and over.
What was wrong with what Bernie said in that video? He pointed out how banks and corporations were bailed out with extremely low interest loans to the tune of $17 TRILLION dollars. What's wrong with him suggesting that instead, maybe that money should have been loaned to small businesses so they could grow? Lord knows small businesses could use a boost, especially when they are having such a hard time competing with some of these massive corporations.
Read that research paper on how WE THE PEOPLE have absolutely no say in our own government.
How are you going to justify that?
He is not talking about taking away from the haves and giving to the have nots. He's talking about taking power away from the elites, and giving it back to the people, and giving the people a better chance not only for themselves and children, but for the country as a whole.
XXEDITXXX
You can't stop lying and talking crap about the ONE and ONLY candidate running that is being supported by anyone in this forum, but not ONCE have you said who you think people should be supporting and why.
Who did you vote for in the caucus?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2016,7:07 pm
We the people not represented? What a load of bullsh!t. You yourself were talking about being at your area caucus, that's how our representative republic starts. Capitalism is how our republic was built.Bank bailout? Well I wasn't to enthused about that either but, two major auto makers were bailed out and if they weren't a lot of whiney Union slobs would be on welfare.
Batsh!t's not talking about taking money away from anyone? Wel yeah, taxes are money and as I've stated many times the middle class is where most taxes come from. Tax the bigger corporations too much and they'll just shutdown, put millions out of work and move offshore. Liberals like you can't seem to get that through the oatmeal between your ears.
As for who I voted for in the caucuses? I voted for the candidate who best represents my views. Who that is? Non of your f%cking business.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 06 2016,8:00 am
Bernie takes two more States, in 2008 it took Hillary to June to concede...go Bernie, feel the Bern..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 06 2016,8:21 am
Expat, if you happen to come across either of Sanders speeches during the caucuses last night could you please post them? I watched the caucus results for hours last night, flipping between MSNBC and CNN, both stations talked Trump pretty much the entire time. It was nauseating. Barely any talk about Clinton/Sanders at all. Except for "eh, Sanders won two states, Clinton won one...big deal, now back to Trump"Both stations aired a lot of both of Trump and Clintons speeches live last night, but they didn't air either of Sanders. At one point, Chris Matthews said, "OK, we're going live now to Bernie Sanders speech" (this was the second one) he turns to look at a screen and then says "OH, guess not" then they went right back to talking about Trump again.
The speeches will hopefully be posted sometime within the next couple of days, so if you just happen to come across them, I'd love if you can let me know.
SB, you just going to keep ignoring information posted in here on how corporations and big banks control and influence government? Especially the study that's been posted in here 2 or 3 times now?
< https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...doc.pdf >
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As for who I voted for in the caucuses? I voted for the candidate who best represents my views. Who that is? Non of your f%cking business.
Way to stand by your man
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 06 2016,8:29 am
And the Waffle Iron Cross goes to...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 06 2016,9:24 am
Sanders on bailing out a totalitarian government.< View on YouTube >
NAFTA/Wall St.:
Bernie Sanders: "We were told what a wonderful idea NAFTA would be, now 50,000 workers are out of work a year later, we were told exports to Mexico would increase but it has decreased over the last year, NAFTA would improve the Mexican economy, it's gotten worse in the last year, and now you're back again, asking to put at risk $40 Billion of American taxpayers money. Now it seems to me, since the economic problems in America are so severe, and congress has done a poor job running America's economy, I would be surprised if we can run Mexico's economy, maybe we should let the mexicans run their own economy as they see fit. "
"I'm told every day about the virtues of the free enterprise system, and that when you take a risk and invest, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. In my state of Vermont, farming families working 80 hours a week, they don't have any loan guarantees, small businesses that are folding, they don't have any loan guarantees.
What I would like you to answer Mr. Rubin, with interest rates on these bonds now, why should working people of America guarantee a rate of return to those people who are now investing in Mexico? My understanding is that you earn a high rate of return when you take a risk. Now why should the American people be asked to guarantee those investments?"
"You used to work for Goldman Sachs right? So you have some familiarity with this process. Now why don't you go back to your patriotic friends on Wall St. and say "Hey, we have a problem, you have a chance of making 19- 20% maybe more on your investments in Mexico, you guys believe in the free enterprise system, and capitalism, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. So why are you asking the average American to bail out and guarantee those investments?" Mr. Rubin? Why should americans guarantee investments in Mexico which will guarantee a rate of return of 20%?"
"My parting remark would be, go back to your Wall St. friends and tell them to take the risk and not ask the american taxpayers to guarantee those risks."
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 07 2016,5:25 am
Bernie takes Maine..
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 07 2016,8:40 am
I thought he did great in the debate last night, even the tone of the post debate discussion has changed and the commentators were finally acknowledging that he has a chance at winning. I had to give up my Walking Dead to watch the debate!Did you notice the look of shock on Bernie's face when Anderson Cooper backed up something he had said when Clinton was denying it? LMAO
Check it out at 48 minutes into the video. Freakin loved it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2016,9:50 am
I heard there was a debate last night, I saw clips this morning, they behaved no better than the Repubs.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 07 2016,10:36 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 07 2016,9:50 am)
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I heard there was a debate last night, I saw clips this morning, they behaved no better than the Repubs.
I watched the entire debate, and there was nothing from either of them that was even remotely close to the lunacy from the republican debates. Kasich was the only one in the last couple of debates who appears to have matured since the 3rd grade.
Why don't you post these "clips" you're talking about.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2016,12:08 pm
^^ why promote this lunacy?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2016,3:32 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 07 2016,10:36 am)
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Why don't you post these "clips" you're talking about.
It's called Google bitch.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 07 2016,8:08 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 07 2016,3:32 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 07 2016,10:36 am)
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Why don't you post these "clips" you're talking about.
It's called Google bitch.
I've already said I watched the entire debate and there was nothing in it anywhere near to how the republicans behave. I can't google your imagination.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 07 2016,9:21 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 07 2016,8:08 pm)
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I can't google your imagination.
The Quote of the Day
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 08 2016,5:16 am
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 07 2016,9:21 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 07 2016,8:08 pm)
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I can't google your imagination.
The Quote of the Day
It's fairly obvious SB didn't watch or listen to the Debate between Hillary and Bernie, he's just taken some Right-wing Propagandists bull from Fox Noise or one of the AM radio loons and excepted that as truth. he's an idgit..
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 08 2016,5:42 am
Watching Batsh!t and stroke lady would have been a monumental waste of time, I did watch about 5 min of Batsh!t on (OMG!) FOX last night but then the dog started whining and wanted to go for a walk, priorities
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 08 2016,3:03 pm
"Give me liberty or give me death". Said the slave owners.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 08 2016,5:31 pm
StinkBox is getting money from Chad Hayson to troll the board, for traffic purposes. Nothing else makes sense.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 08 2016,6:08 pm
^^ sure, why do you think I call him "boss"?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 09 2016,12:06 am
Despite every political pundit saying otherwise Bernie wins MI. Hope that crow has enough salt. Guess Hillary wasn't able to buy every last Black vote. Her luck was better with pie-in-the-face media outlets.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2016,4:06 am
< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls...nt.html >Yeah, that delegate count is real close
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2016,5:44 am
Posted by grassman on Mar. 09 2016,6:26 am
Free you say?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2016,1:27 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 09 2016,6:26 am)
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Free you say?
So you're gaurenteed a house? A new car? etc? At who's expense?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 09 2016,3:11 pm
Really, that's all that you see there? You don't see the difference between income and the prices? Are you really that indifferent to these things? Now I feel sorry for you. Humbleness, humility and kindness are not your strong suits are they?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2016,3:30 pm
A $1400 dollar mortgage at today's rates is about a $200k house, you can rent an 1 room apartment for $500 in the metro up here. You can buy a brand new car for as little as $12
But what it comes down to is you're entitled to Life, Liberty and he PURSUIT of happiness, nothing else.
Don't put yourself in massive debt
Don't have kids to you can afford to feed them.
And don't buy a POS Dodge.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 09 2016,10:05 pm
Interesting read...10 Reasons Why Conservatives Should Start Supporting Bernie Sanders Immediately
Kimball Mortensen
I know this seems like a stretch to Republicans or libertarian independents. I know Bernie Sanders has views which frighten economic conservatives like me. However, if you believe that Trump is not a choice we can afford to make, (not to mention Clinton) then allow me to try and convince you that Bernie Sanders isn’t as scary as you’ve let yourself believe, and if you care about America, you should support him.
Like my economically conservative friends, I see markets as a tremendous tool for innovation and even progress. Unlike my economically conservative friends, I see greater forces at play outside of attempting to find a candidate who will champion my economic views.
There have been many times over the past few months where my conservative / libertarian friends have rolled their eyes at me when I speak positively about Bernie Sanders. I come from a conservative upbringing, and consider myself a libertarian, but I see value in this candidate. This post will help me express how I came to this conclusion and why I hold this opionion.
Ok, enough context. Here goes:
1. His “Socialist Democrat” economic views DO NOT MATTER —
These are arguably Sanders’ most unattractive qualities to those on the right. As conservatives, we feel threatened by his collectivist solutions for issues like income inequality, but conveniently these views are also benign due to the limited powers wielded by the President of the United States. If you’re all about limited powers and the constitution, then you’ll understand that Sanders would have to pass his FDR-esque bills through what is likely to remain a Republican congress. There’s no chance that would happen. Even most Democrats wouldn’t stand for it.
Even if Bernie tries to popularize these ideas, these concerns don’t present cataclysmic danger to our country. This country has been a little socialist all along, and though I think it’s gone too far in many ways, but we aren’t falling apart because of it… Who knows, when AI takes all our jobs away, maybe something like a basic income might seem more attractive to moderate Republicans.
But seriously, this is perhaps the most overblown issue we have with Mr. Sanders, not because his ideas aren’t legitimately concerning here, but because they’re completely unrealistic in DC and he knows it. The American people wouldn’t have it. Central planning is scary, but let’s not be frightened by his moot economic views! What Hillary has said on this topic actually reflects most Democrats’ feelings towards capitalism anyway, so let’s quit pretending we’re going to be Sweden any time soon.
When it comes to economics, when Sanders opens his mouth what we see is that his heart is in the right place. Now, someone please send him a copy of the Wealth of Nations and let’s get over this.
2. His views on foreign policy DO MATTER —
Ok, so he’s no Rand Paul on foreign policy. But he’s at least moderate on foreign policy, and conservatives should love this. He’s for protecting “America’s vital strategic interests, but … will do it responsibly.” He’s pretty aggressive on fighting terrorism, but “strongly believes that we must pursue policies that uphold the core values that make us proud to be Americans.” Come on, conservatives. We love this!
Again, knowledge of the offices comes into play here. This issue is the reverse of the overplayed economic concerns in that the executive office in the U.S. system wields significant power as commander-in-chief. In other words, as president, Sanders could make a real difference here. He called on both Bush and Obama for troop withdrawals in Afghanistan, is against quagmires like Iraq, and understands the Middle East in general is a quagmire. Clinton and Trump surely do not have this attitude as over-aggressive interventionists. Russia would love to be messed with right now, and acting like we’re the best thing on the planet is arrogant, regressive and unrealistic.
If a free democracy is what we believe in, let’s let that speak for itself and stay out of other people’s affairs unless absolutely necessary. We have created enough terrorists. Stop the madness. #FEELTHEBERN because it’s legit on this topic!
3. His views on civil liberties DO MATTER —
THIS is a crucial bonus and significant power that Bernie would have as holder of a veto pen! His views on restoring civil liberties should be celebrated by the right. He“voted against the Patriot Act when it was first passed, [and] voted against the Patriot Act when it was renewed.” It’s also why he opposed the so-called USA Freedom Act this past spring. “We must not trade away our constitutional rights and civil liberties for the illusion of security.”
If you’re new to the idea that our civil liberties need to be protected, welcome. Please stay. If you’re unsure, you’ll probably be fine with Trump or Clinton as they’re both essentially advocates of the police state.
4. He’s an honest person who cares about the country —
This may seem cliché, but it’s true and is important to note considering it makes him a rarity in politics. Ron Paul and Dwight Eisenhower were a similar archetype.
5. He’s principled —
Similar to the last point, his voting record and talking points correlate as he upholds core principles. Let’s remember that many principles held closely to the conservative heart are principles also shared by some on the far left. The two ideological camps meet on some points and although the individuals who advocate these ideals may not seem marketable to the mainstream, the values they uphold are worth defending.
6. Supporting a 3rd Party Candidate is futile —
Idealists like Gary Johnson are too much of a long shot. Bernie clearly isn’t beholden to the Democratic Party and ran as an independent for years, so he has the principles of a 3rd partier without the irrelevance of operating outside of the 2-party system. He’s the only independent candidate remaining who has a chance.
7. Consertvatives could change history by electing Sanders, a Non-Establishment candidate —
It doesn’t take a truther to admit that the political establishment in DC is a real thing. Trump and Clinton are both part of this corporatist, political machine. We all know that House of Cards goes a little far with all the murdering people, but my friends in DC say the backroom deals are pretty spot on…
I digress. We need a non-establishment candidate in the White House! Corporatism is REAL and is a shared evil by the right and the left. The last time we had a non-establishment candidate was under Jimmy Carter or maybe Eisenhower? Many in our party lacked the wisdom to see the sense in supporting someone like Rand Paul, but there isn’t much time left and I don’t think supporting a non-establishment candidate like Sanders is a measure too drastic. Consider the common ground:
8. Hillary Rodham Clinton —
The only thing scarier than the thought of Hillary Clinton as president is the thought of Donald Trump as president. Hillary is blatantly dishonest and manipulative but tries to conceal it. Trump is blatantly terrible as an actual person and flaunts it. Bernie Sanders is the biggest threat to both of these candidates. He fares better against Trump than Clinton does because he offers a clearer contrast. HE IS OUR ONLY HOPE!
9. Commiting to vote for Sanders in the general election will help Democrats see that he is indeed a viable candidate —
Or even better, you could do whatever you need to in order to register to vote for him in the primaries! …At least tweet about him.
10. Hold your nose, and swallow your pride —
Look, I’ve never voted Democrat, supported Ron Paul in 2012, etc… Although I find myself supporting many progressive social movements, I understand the real dangers of excessive government in a pluralist society. I believe in capitalism, civil liberties, individualism, and natural rights. Not all of these are congruent with Bernie’s political philosophy, but I know he believes in protecting these values to some degree too. Conservatives have great values, as do liberals. Sometimes it’s just a matter of what order we prioritize our principles. Liberty, justice, and freedom = Things both sides believe in, but which neither Trump nor Clinton stand for; They are WRONG for America.
Perhaps the biggest threat from a Leftist in the whitehouse is his Supreme court appointment. It really sucks that there will be a solid majority from the left seeing that Obama will be making an appointment before his term is up. That said, I think many conservatives are actually fine with an appointee who views our constitution as a living, breathing document and I’m beginning to agree. Can we please agree that Citizens United was a bad collusion between markets and state? A digital world presents ever changing challenges. You may disagree with my lack of urgency on this issue, and you may be right. If nothing else, the right deserves this for electing such terrible candidates over the past decade.
So let’s go ahead and make history by electing a non-establishment, non-corporatist, idealist. I think the last one we had was Dwight D. Eisenhower. Even the left loved him.
#MakeAmericaBern #Conservatives4Bernie
THE END
If you still aren’t convinced that you should vote for Bernie over Trump or Hillary, sorry I wasted your time. I’m convinced too many are entrenched beyond the ability to change their mind, but maybe this post can help you out of that.
Please share this with your friends, whether you’re conservative or liberal. If you’re conservative, your friends will say it’s crazy to hear this coming from you, but you’re supporting a principled man. Yes, those principles may be different from yours, but he’s an honest man who could help the country with some much needed dramatic change.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,4:12 am
^^Advocating stealing other people's money to pay for the medical, education housing of others is not principled.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 10 2016,6:16 am
I agree, it is always better to steal money from somebody to buy a yatch.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 10 2016,6:50 am
Florida Debate < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqgTFA1HnUM >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,7:20 am
^^ tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber, take your pick.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 10 2016,7:33 am
Lots of selective amnesia to go around...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,9:14 am
^^ I think you've mentioned this before
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,10:02 am
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-future >Both these twits want to end or regulate fraking out of exitsance, between that and Buster ripping the coal industry the gimmcrats are really sticking it to the low income folks.
And spare me the global warming tripe.
Also, before the other bullsh!t raises it head.
< http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/05/the-top-5-lies-about-fracking >
Posted by grassman on Mar. 10 2016,10:22 am
Like it or not, alternative energy is gaining ground on fossil fuels. Technology is make huge headway. I just got a notice the other day that wind energy is the cheapest electricity available. Solar is making more headway. Our dependence on fossil fuel is getting smaller and smaller. Eventually our vehicles and small engines, are all that's left that requires fossil fuel. The main problem is...nobody owns the sun or the wind.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,10:34 am
^^ I'm sure our gov will lay claim to it.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 10 2016,2:28 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 10 2016,10:22 am)
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Like it or not, alternative energy is gaining ground on fossil fuels. Technology is make huge headway. I just got a notice the other day that wind energy is the cheapest electricity available. Solar is making more headway. Our dependence on fossil fuel is getting smaller and smaller. Eventually our vehicles and small engines, are all that's left that requires fossil fuel. The main problem is...nobody owns the sun or the wind.
Germany's percentage of alternate energy sources is above 50% while ours lag in the teens.
Did you see how they are experimenting with energy producing roads using replaceable components as road surface?
As glaciers melt and solar technology becomes more efficient the coal mines will slowly become obsolete.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2016,3:46 pm
Thing is, coal and natural gas are cheap, the most bang for the BTU.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 10 2016,4:44 pm
No, you are wrong. I just told you nobody owns the sun and the wind. It is free. That is why it has been fought so much by the ones with the bucks. You cannot charge for what you do not have the rights to. The electric companies just won a battle with small producers of wind energy. They lobbied their way through to have a charge to small producers to access their grid. What a govt we have. In someone's pocket, all the time. Oh,that's right! Bernie is against that kind of blockage.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 10 2016,11:53 pm
The cost of fossil fuels never includes acid rain, medical conditions, damage to drinking water.>a calculated 200,000 early deaths
>$75 to $280 billion in healthcare costs. More in lost productivity
> Billions of dollars lost in forestry, roads, ag crops
The $1.80 at the pump is only partial cost.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 11 2016,4:51 am
^^ Then I'll be sure to take my electric tractor to work today. Batteries cost $$ and the technology is a ways off before they become viable, even for cars. Free? Not long after the batteries become workable the gov will figure out a new tax system and since the power would be percieved as cheap they'll tax the hell out of it. There'll be little savings unless you're a low life that'll get subsidised by the gov.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 11 2016,5:51 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 11 2016,4:51 am)
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^^ Then I'll be sure to take my electric tractor to work today.
Batteries cost $$ and the technology is a ways off before they become viable, even for cars. Free? Not long after the batteries become workable the gov will figure out a new tax system and since the power would be percieved as cheap they'll tax the hell out of it. There'll be little savings unless you're a low life that'll get subsidised by the gov.
Batteries cost $$ and the technology is a ways off before they become viable, even for cars. Free? Not long after the batteries become workable the gov will figure out a new tax system and since the power would be percieved as cheap they'll tax the hell out of it. There'll be little savings unless you're a low life that'll get subsidised by the gov.
Coming from the one who tells others to put on their tinfoil hats.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 11 2016,12:25 pm
Saving lives, increasing quality of life is the goal. Communities and society in general must reduce risks for our kids, even though you and others put little value on life.Unless fusion becomes a possibility all forms of energy will remain expensive. And why not. The oceans were once considered a limitless source of food. Wrong. The billions of acres of fertile land are being decimated. Cheap energy will only further waste and abuse.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 11 2016,12:59 pm
^^ wow, you paint a gloomy picture.Wanna rent a pistol?
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 11 2016,11:07 pm
'bout right
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 12 2016,1:50 am
Well, then here's some good news.Protestors reject Trump. Rally canceled.
Truly made my day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2016,4:10 am
(stardust14 @ Mar. 12 2016,1:50 am)
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Well, then here's some good news.
Protestors reject Trump. Rally canceled.
Truly made my day.
Protestors reject Trump. Rally canceled.
Truly made my day.
Yep, just like living in a third world country.
a good sign that the left is scared of a democrat loss this fall. Get used to it
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 12 2016,5:31 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2016,5:57 am
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 12 2016,7:09 am
Great article Botto! I'm pretty sure if the MSM was giving more attention to Bernie, and being more honest about his policies and talking points, Trump would NOT be doing as well as he is. Most people are saying Trump supporters are sick and tired of the establishment and that's why he's doing so well. Too many people don't know that Bernie has been saying that same thing....for years. And fighting that same thing. CNN and MSNBC don't even air Bernie's speeches, rarely even clips. Trump is great at marketing. "Trump Trump Trump" that's pretty much all that's on all the national news networks now for quite awhile. I detest the MSM, but since the Super Tuesday caucuses I've been watching it a lot. The last few days, MSNBC and CNN, have rarely talked about anything other than Trump. Constantly showing video clips and stirring racist tensions. Then last night Trump holds a rally in St. Louis and tries to hold one in Chicago? Anyone with half a brain cell could see where that was heading. He's loving what happened in Chicago last night. It played right into his BS.
Now he's the "victim" because his right of free speech was shut down. I think Trump is a moron, but I don't think his right to speak should be taken away. I do think he should be held responsible for inciting violence against protesters at his rallies.
He's definitely not a victim. Scheduling rallies in St. Louis and Chicago yesterday? He knew exactly what was going to happen. After last night I think it's going to be difficult for him to hold rallies anywhere now. The circus just keeps getting bigger.
I do agree with one thing Trump is saying. He says the MSM is loving his insane circus because their ratings are going through the roof. I think they were disappointed that things didn't get uglier last night.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2016,7:31 am
It 's quite sinple, Trump watch how the media did tricks for Buster in the last two elections and thought "hey! That's my expertise, I can manipulate the media to do my bidding " am I happy about Trump being our next president? Not especially. Is he a better choice than Stroke lady? Immensely.This Tuesday should seal the deal.
< https://www.donaldjtrump.com >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 12 2016,8:40 am
Just now on MSNBC, Rubio made another statement denouncing the Trump inciting hate, but mostly he was blaming the media for the rise of Trump. He said the only reason the media wants to talk to him is hoping he's going to talk about Trump. He said most people don't know his policies or anything because it's all Trump Trump Trump. When it got done, the Rubio reporter on scene tells the main host that he's never seen Rubio so upset and frustrated, and he also mentioned Rubio's blaming the MSM. The main reporter says "Yeah, ok, back to the Trump rally forming in Ohio." A few minutes later they interviewed someone in a cafe and asking her how she feels about what is happening at Trump rallies. She said she's scared and she just wants to hear the issues and policies, but that a lot of people are scared and sick of what is going on and want nothing to do with it. The main interviewer says "Yeah...ok, back to the rally" Then she asks the reporter at the rally scene, "Any protesters? Any anti-Trump signs? Any friction?"CNN is doing the same exact things.
Wish I had a DVR, it's going to be a beautiful day and I'm not wasting it sitting inside listening to this bullcrap insanity.
And SB, I'm pretty sure that the republicans are a lot more worried than the democrats about Trump getting the nomination.
But whose brilliant idea was it for Romney to publicly speak out against Trump? Freakin idiots...yeah, that's really going to deter Trump supporters.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 12 2016,9:12 am
I recorded the Dem debate the other night. I was watching when the liar lady started talking about Sanders voting against the Auto bailout. Bernie wanted to correct her on it and the mediator told him he was out of time. I turned it off and deleted. Bullchit. Why didn't she want us to hear about Wall Street being on that bill.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 12 2016,9:35 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2016,7:31 am)
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It 's quite sinple, Trump watch how the media did tricks for Buster in the last two elections and thought "hey! That's my expertise, I can manipulate the media to do my bidding " am I happy about Trump being our next president? Not especially. Is he a better choice than Stroke lady? Immensely.
This Tuesday should seal the deal.
< https://www.donaldjtrump.com >
This Tuesday should seal the deal.
< https://www.donaldjtrump.com >
interesting how the left reacts when the media is in the tank for someone other than them.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 12 2016,10:44 am
(grassman @ Mar. 12 2016,9:12 am)
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I recorded the Dem debate the other night. I was watching when the liar lady started talking about Sanders voting against the Auto bailout. Bernie wanted to correct her on it and the mediator told him he was out of time. I turned it off and deleted. Bullchit. Why didn't she want us to hear about Wall Street being on that bill.
That's how it's been going the entire time. But honestly, I don't think many Bernie supporters, or Bernie himself expected anything different from the media or debate hosters. That one debate you could see how shocked Bernie was when Anderson Cooper backed up something Bernie had said against the Clinton lie. I was just as shocked as Bernie lol.
CC:
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Blah, blah, blah, rhetoric, blah, blah lies, blah, spin, blahblahblah.
You should really try to pull yourself out of the moronic left/right paradigm.
Every single one of us here who have been complaining about the media and other bias towards Sanders, have also been complaining about the media spin, lies and bias about everything for years.
Get a clue. The republicans speaking out last night and today about the media BS being responsible for the rise of Trump? - You have nothing to say about that? Instead you accuse all of us who have been pointing it out for years.
Just listened to Trump's speech, which by the way, MSNBC skipped every other speech that was happening, just to show an empty Trump podium, and one old person with a walker holding an anti-Trump sign.
Wow, it's astounding that Trump is so big. What a complete rambling idiot. Seriously. RAMBLINGGGGGG moron.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 12 2016,12:36 pm
CNN was in the tank for Hillary from the moment she announced. Some associate producer named Dan Merica (really..?) was, and continues to be the worst. Probably bucking for a White House Press Corps gig.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 12 2016,12:56 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 12 2016,10:44 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 12 2016,9:12 am)
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I recorded the Dem debate the other night. I was watching when the liar lady started talking about Sanders voting against the Auto bailout. Bernie wanted to correct her on it and the mediator told him he was out of time. I turned it off and deleted. Bullchit. Why didn't she want us to hear about Wall Street being on that bill.
That's how it's been going the entire time. But honestly, I don't think many Bernie supporters, or Bernie himself expected anything different from the media or debate hosters. That one debate you could see how shocked Bernie was when Anderson Cooper backed up something Bernie had said against the Clinton lie. I was just as shocked as Bernie lol.
CC:
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Blah, blah, blah, rhetoric, blah, blah lies, blah, spin, blahblahblah.
You should really try to pull yourself out of the moronic left/right paradigm.
Every single one of us here who have been complaining about the media and other bias towards Sanders, have also been complaining about the media spin, lies and bias about everything for years.
Get a clue. The republicans speaking out last night and today about the media BS being responsible for the rise of Trump? - You have nothing to say about that? Instead you accuse all of us who have been pointing it out for years.
Just listened to Trump's speech, which by the way, MSNBC skipped every other speech that was happening, just to show an empty Trump podium, and one old person with a walker holding an anti-Trump sign.
Wow, it's astounding that Trump is so big. What a complete rambling idiot. Seriously. RAMBLINGGGGGG moron.
It must be hard being you. You should open up the windows on your trailer and get some fresh air.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2016,1:09 pm
^^ yep
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 12 2016,8:27 pm
(Common Citizen @ Mar. 12 2016,12:56 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 12 2016,10:44 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 12 2016,9:12 am)
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I recorded the Dem debate the other night. I was watching when the liar lady started talking about Sanders voting against the Auto bailout. Bernie wanted to correct her on it and the mediator told him he was out of time. I turned it off and deleted. Bullchit. Why didn't she want us to hear about Wall Street being on that bill.
That's how it's been going the entire time. But honestly, I don't think many Bernie supporters, or Bernie himself expected anything different from the media or debate hosters. That one debate you could see how shocked Bernie was when Anderson Cooper backed up something Bernie had said against the Clinton lie. I was just as shocked as Bernie lol.
CC:
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Blah, blah, blah, rhetoric, blah, blah lies, blah, spin, blahblahblah.
You should really try to pull yourself out of the moronic left/right paradigm.
Every single one of us here who have been complaining about the media and other bias towards Sanders, have also been complaining about the media spin, lies and bias about everything for years.
Get a clue. The republicans speaking out last night and today about the media BS being responsible for the rise of Trump? - You have nothing to say about that? Instead you accuse all of us who have been pointing it out for years.
Just listened to Trump's speech, which by the way, MSNBC skipped every other speech that was happening, just to show an empty Trump podium, and one old person with a walker holding an anti-Trump sign.
Wow, it's astounding that Trump is so big. What a complete rambling idiot. Seriously. RAMBLINGGGGGG moron.
It must be hard being you. You should open up the windows on your trailer and get some fresh air.
Oh...gee...you sure showed me.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 13 2016,3:30 am
Not sure if Trump followers were previously incoherent or just began parroting his style of speech. Interviews with followers is a collage of mimic euphemisms and half sentences, much like local trolls.There was this troll on a Bernie feed tonight. His profile name was "The Imperial Emperor Trump"
This guy made SNL jokes look lame!! Had to be a drunk KKK. Had me laughing.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 13 2016,11:06 am
(stardust14 @ Mar. 13 2016,3:30 am)
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Not sure if Trump followers were previously incoherent or just began parroting his style of speech. Interviews with followers is a collage of mimic euphemisms and half sentences, much like local trolls.
There was this troll on a Bernie feed tonight. His profile name was "The Imperial Emperor Trump" This guy made SNL jokes look lame!! Had to be a drunk KKK. Had me laughing.
There was this troll on a Bernie feed tonight. His profile name was "The Imperial Emperor Trump"
This guy made SNL jokes look lame!! Had to be a drunk KKK. Had me laughing.Yesterday the fam and I were hanging out at a park, and at one point one of my kids started laughing and pointed out how all of us were were repeating parts of our sentences and how we all sounded like Trump lol, so we started having some fun with that. We decided we have to stop having MSM on because we were being exposed to too many Trump speeches! It does feel like one very long SNL skit. The SNL people are probably smacking their heads for never coming up with a running skit with Donald Trump as president.
Has anyone here actually been listening to his speeches?? Freakin embarrassing. He keeps saying the "whole world is watching this". Yeah lol, and the whole world is laughing their butts off at the US.
I'm truly hoping that on April 1, Trump has one press conference and gets up in front of everybody and says "April Fools!"
"It was just a joke people. Just a joke. A really long joke. A really long funny joke. You're great, you really are, all of you are great. This has been great. Thank you. Thank you. I was bored, I had nothing better to do. It's been great. Really great. I love you. Thank you. You're great. Have a great April Fools day. Thank you for being a part of my joke. I'm out of the race now, my joke is over."
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2016,1:47 pm
^^Trump speeches embarrassing? Sadly so almost as embarrassing as Batsh!ts April Fools? That would be Stoke lady supporters.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 13 2016,3:59 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2016,1:47 pm)
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^^Trump speeches embarrassing? Sadly so almost as embarrassing as Batsh!ts
April Fools? That would be Stoke lady supporters.
almost as embarrassing as Batsh!ts April Fools? That would be Stoke lady supporters.
Too bad Trump chickened out of, I mean, had a scheduling conflict for a debate set up with Bernie Sanders. Everyone could have seen the sanity of Bernie pitted against the lunacy of Trump.
As if you've ever bothered to watch a Sanders speech. If you did, you wouldn't be as ignorant as you are of the things he's saying. - And that's probably why Trump had a "scheduling conflict".
Embarrassing Sanders speeches exist in the same place that the democratic debate clips you talked about do.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2016,4:49 pm
This one,< http://youtu.be/hs4JbkWOMB8 >
And this one,
< http://youtu.be/le5V0GAEb-8 >
And this one
< http://youtu.be/EP_nHa3y2U0 >
And pretty much any other time these two pandering morons open their trap.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 13 2016,9:46 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2016,4:49 pm)
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This one,
< http://youtu.be/hs4JbkWOMB8 >
And this one,
< http://youtu.be/le5V0GAEb-8 >
And this one
< http://youtu.be/EP_nHa3y2U0 >
And pretty much any other time these two pandering morons open their trap.
< http://youtu.be/hs4JbkWOMB8 >
And this one,
< http://youtu.be/le5V0GAEb-8 >
And this one
< http://youtu.be/EP_nHa3y2U0 >
And pretty much any other time these two pandering morons open their trap.
Like I said, there was nothing from either Sanders or Clinton that was even remotely close to the lunacy from the republican debates, with the exception of Kasich.
< View on YouTube >
< View on YouTube >
< View on YouTube >
< View on YouTube >
And please explain how talking about making the government be For the People By the People is pandering.
Have you read any of that paper yet that keeps getting posted in here? The one that says we the people have absolutely no say or sway, and only big money is able to influence government to get what they want?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 13 2016,10:05 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 13 2016,11:06 am)
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Yesterday the fam and I were hanging out at a park, and at one point one of my kids started laughing and pointed out how all of us were were repeating parts of our sentences and how we all sounded like Trump lol, so we started having some fun with that. We decided we have to stop having MSM on because we were being exposed to too many Trump speeches! It does feel like one very long SNL skit. The SNL people are probably smacking their heads for never coming up with a running skit with Donald Trump as president.
Has anyone here actually been listening to his speeches?? Freakin embarrassing. He keeps saying the "whole world is watching this". Yeah lol, and the whole world is laughing their butts off at the US.
I'm truly hoping that on April 1, Trump has one press conference and gets up in front of everybody and says "April Fools!"
"It was just a joke people. Just a joke. A really long joke. A really long funny joke. You're great, you really are, all of you are great. This has been great. Thank you. Thank you. I was bored, I had nothing better to do. It's been great. Really great. I love you. Thank you. You're great. Have a great April Fools day. Thank you for being a part of my joke. I'm out of the race now, my joke is over."
Has anyone here actually been listening to his speeches?? Freakin embarrassing. He keeps saying the "whole world is watching this". Yeah lol, and the whole world is laughing their butts off at the US.
I'm truly hoping that on April 1, Trump has one press conference and gets up in front of everybody and says "April Fools!"
"It was just a joke people. Just a joke. A really long joke. A really long funny joke. You're great, you really are, all of you are great. This has been great. Thank you. Thank you. I was bored, I had nothing better to do. It's been great. Really great. I love you. Thank you. You're great. Have a great April Fools day. Thank you for being a part of my joke. I'm out of the race now, my joke is over."
The kids tell us Trump is not polling well in school either.
As I read your April Fools Day speech there was this creepy voice over of Trump.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 13 2016,10:20 pm
(stardust14 @ Mar. 13 2016,10:05 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 13 2016,11:06 am)
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Yesterday the fam and I were hanging out at a park, and at one point one of my kids started laughing and pointed out how all of us were were repeating parts of our sentences and how we all sounded like Trump lol, so we started having some fun with that. We decided we have to stop having MSM on because we were being exposed to too many Trump speeches! It does feel like one very long SNL skit. The SNL people are probably smacking their heads for never coming up with a running skit with Donald Trump as president.
Has anyone here actually been listening to his speeches?? Freakin embarrassing. He keeps saying the "whole world is watching this". Yeah lol, and the whole world is laughing their butts off at the US.
I'm truly hoping that on April 1, Trump has one press conference and gets up in front of everybody and says "April Fools!"
"It was just a joke people. Just a joke. A really long joke. A really long funny joke. You're great, you really are, all of you are great. This has been great. Thank you. Thank you. I was bored, I had nothing better to do. It's been great. Really great. I love you. Thank you. You're great. Have a great April Fools day. Thank you for being a part of my joke. I'm out of the race now, my joke is over."
Has anyone here actually been listening to his speeches?? Freakin embarrassing. He keeps saying the "whole world is watching this". Yeah lol, and the whole world is laughing their butts off at the US.
I'm truly hoping that on April 1, Trump has one press conference and gets up in front of everybody and says "April Fools!"
"It was just a joke people. Just a joke. A really long joke. A really long funny joke. You're great, you really are, all of you are great. This has been great. Thank you. Thank you. I was bored, I had nothing better to do. It's been great. Really great. I love you. Thank you. You're great. Have a great April Fools day. Thank you for being a part of my joke. I'm out of the race now, my joke is over."
The kids tell us Trump is not polling well in school either.
As I read your April Fools Day speech there was this creepy voice over of Trump.
I have gotten really good at impersonating Trump lol
I wish I would have recorded me and the kids being Trump yesterday. Pretty dang hilarious. All of us are a little too good at it !
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2016,4:31 am
^^^^of course you two twits think that and as far as indoctrinated kids?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2016,5:53 am
< http://youtu.be/uAvvtkV9lc8 >
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 14 2016,6:59 am
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2016,7:21 am
Honestly batcrap crazy
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 14 2016,11:52 am
GrassmanQUOTE
Really, that's all that you see there? You don't see the difference between income and the prices? Are you really that indifferent to these things? Now I feel sorry for you. Humbleness, humility and kindness are not your strong suits are they?
SB
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A $1400 dollar mortgage at today's rates is about a $200k house, you can rent an 1 room apartment for $500 in the metro up here.
You can buy a brand new car for as little as $12
But what it comes down to is you're entitled to Life, Liberty and he PURSUIT of happiness, nothing else.
Don't put yourself in massive debt
Don't have kids to you can afford to feed them.
And don't buy a POS Dodge.
You can buy a brand new car for as little as $12
But what it comes down to is you're entitled to Life, Liberty and he PURSUIT of happiness, nothing else.
Don't put yourself in massive debt
Don't have kids to you can afford to feed them.
And don't buy a POS Dodge.
A brand new car for $12?? A really fancy Matchbox car?
Grassman, you, I, and others have tried explaining all of this to him so many times. He's like a poor wannabe Trump. Trump is a self made man with no understanding of how his daddy's money and influence helped him get where he is. Cuz he's Donald Trump, he could have gotten where he is even if he had started with nothing.
SB is a self made man with no understanding of how things were in this country that helped him get where he is.
College prices have skyrocketed, college materials have skyrocketed, rent has skyrocketed, prices for almost everything have skyrocketed while wages have stagnated or even severely dropped. He's SB, he could have gotten where he is even if things in the country hadn't been more in proportion to helping the average citizen.
Corporate profits after taxes have soared even more than anything else since the 70's, but even though things were more balanced at an important time for him, he's just going to keep repeating. "Work harder, nothings handed to you. Life's tough Buttercup. It's their money, let them keep it." Without comprehending that it would be better for the country as a whole if things were more in balance again.
< https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CP >
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 14 2016,1:16 pm
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcl8lPa9qDM >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2016,1:27 pm
^^ for Roz " Wah! Wah! Wah! I can't make it on my own"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want a new car"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want someone else to pay for my school "
And so forth and so forth and so forth. Yes indeed, I am self made and the only thing I ever got from others free was advice, I figured out what was good or bad.
How f*cking pathetic can you be?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 14 2016,2:56 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 14 2016,1:27 pm)
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^^ for Roz
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I can't make it on my own"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want a new car"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want someone else to pay for my school "
And so forth and so forth and so forth. Yes indeed, I am self made and the only thing I ever got from others free was advice, I figured out what was good or bad.
How f*cking pathetic can you be?
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I can't make it on my own"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want a new car"
" Wah! Wah! Wah! I want someone else to pay for my school "
And so forth and so forth and so forth. Yes indeed, I am self made and the only thing I ever got from others free was advice, I figured out what was good or bad.
How f*cking pathetic can you be?
Yeah, that's what I said.
Whenever there's anything that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world you just spin it or, most often, you totally ignore it.
Expat, I understand what you are saying with that Maher video, but look at what I have been saying for years. I see absolutely no difference in the republicans and the democrats. Clinton may tell prettier lies than some of the republicans, but I see absolutely NO chance at anything changing if she is elected. War, banking and corporate influence... nothing will change.
At a Trump rally just now, some preacher was on stage saying Sanders doesn't believe in God! I guess Jewish people are atheists now.
See the new ad? Wonder if he's going to have a trumper-tantrum over this.
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2016,4:43 pm
^^ I love how you use religion when it's convenient for you.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2016,6:26 pm
^You've taken "I'm not going to learn anything new" to a whole new level...
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 14 2016,9:36 pm
It's easy for celebs to switch candidates when things get tough. Their million dollar mansions will remain intact, their servants trimming hedges around pools will be paid, their non-productive jobs secure by idolizing groupies. Not so easy to jump ship among working class folks. Sell themselves out one more time while trying to stay above water? Push the plow a little faster until the next election? Screw the celebs. None have ever persuaded me in the least. Their only "liberalism" is on convenient social issues that are often self serving. Where are their millions invested?? Same place as common liberals---corporate america.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 15 2016,5:58 am
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 14 2016,6:26 pm)
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^You've taken "I'm not going to learn anything new" to a whole new level...
You've taken being a total moron to new lows
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 15 2016,9:26 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 14 2016,2:56 pm)
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Expat, I understand what you are saying with that Maher video, but look at what I have been saying for years. I see absolutely no difference in the republicans and the democrats. Clinton may tell prettier lies than some of the republicans, but I see absolutely NO chance at anything changing if she is elected. War, banking and corporate influence... nothing will change.
Goldman Sachs paid Hillary 675,000 for three speeches, I'm well aware of who this politician represents..
The worth of those three speeches exceeds Bernie Sanders net worth..
Yet Hillary is less danger to the working class than Trump or Cruz, in fact less danger to the world..
I still believe Bernie has a good chance of winning-super delegates be damned...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 15 2016,10:56 am
^^ I love it when an idiot leaves his options open.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 15 2016,11:02 am
Wow. You truly are the proverbial turd that just won't flush. #smh
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 15 2016,11:56 am
^^Menstruating?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 15 2016,8:11 pm
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 15 2016,11:02 am)
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Wow. You truly are the proverbial turd that just won't flush. #smh
Right.
The "ignore" button does flush away the vulgarities, perverse obscenities, porno memes; even though the stench lingers. Guess it's up to individuals to choose.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 16 2016,12:13 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 15 2016,9:26 am)
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Yet Hillary is less danger to the working class than Trump or Cruz, in fact less danger to the world..
I still believe Bernie has a good chance of winning-super delegates be damned...
I still believe Bernie has a good chance of winning-super delegates be damned...
I honestly don't think there would be any difference between Hillary or Trump for the working class.
For awhile I was worried that if Trump was to become president, that he'd wreak havoc for us and other countries, but then I realized he's just too moronic and I really do doubt that he'd be able to get any other country to do anything even remotely questionable to the citizens of other countries. The citizens of our ally governments have had enough of their leaders going along with the actions of the US. And Trump is such a freakin buffoon, I think it will be easier for foreign leaders to tell DC to go screw themselves.
Hillary might be able to have a little more sway in certain things, if her shenanigans might benefit certain allies. But, honestly, the rest of the world is sick of us, and I don't doubt at all, that either Trump or Clinton becoming president will just hasten the decline of the United States being a superpower.
We have lost credibility in too many ways for far too long, and our BS is too well known to the rest of the world for us to keep getting away with pushing other countries around and to keep bullying others to get what we want.
Just a few ways that countries are already starting to give America the finger is by joining the Russian led BRICS bank and Chinese led AIIB bank. Europe, Israel and other countries have put a crimp on US businesses by nullifying the safe harbor agreement over NSA spying. The US is FINALLY losing it's overbearing power over other countries.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,4:04 am
(stardust14 @ Mar. 15 2016,8:11 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Mar. 15 2016,11:02 am)
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Wow. You truly are the proverbial turd that just won't flush. #smh
Right.
The "ignore" button does flush away the vulgarities, perverse obscenities, porno memes; even though the stench lingers. Guess it's up to individuals to choose.
You two must have been happy as hell with that big SCOTUS decision last year.
Where are you registered?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,4:08 am
I like this laid back strategy for Batsh!t's victory. When does he strike and start taking more states than stroke lady Roz?< https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,4:21 am
This should be a clue to the Batsh!t crowd
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 16 2016,9:18 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 16 2016,4:08 am)
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I like this laid back strategy for Batsh!t's victory. When does he strike and start taking more states than stroke lady Roz?
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
< https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...ry.html >
Yeah, too bad he can't travel back in time and somehow force the mainstream news to cover him fairly instead of lying, twisting and spinning what Sanders has done, has said, has stood for all of his career, and what he actually proposes for moving the country ahead. The fact that he's been able to do so well even with the media bias just proves that fewer and fewer people trust the big national news outlets.
If Trump really is so big because of his supporters' disgust with government serving the elite, then there is no doubt in my mind, that if Bernie Sanders had been covered fairly, Trump would not even stand a chance as a republican nominee.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,9:36 am
Yeah, things he's done Like not having a real job till he was 40
25 years in the senate with no legislation to his name, etc,etc.
Does the word "loser" come to mind?
Now, ow about stroke lady? Will she be indicted?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 16 2016,11:35 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 16 2016,9:36 am)
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Yeah, things he's done
Like not having a real job till he was 40
25 years in the senate with no legislation to his name, etc,etc.
Does the word "loser" come to mind?
Now, ow about stroke lady? Will she be indicted?
Like not having a real job till he was 40
25 years in the senate with no legislation to his name, etc,etc.
Does the word "loser" come to mind?
Now, ow about stroke lady? Will she be indicted?
See? This is why people like SB are important to discussions. He constantly brings up the exact things we keep talking about.
He brings up how Sanders has passed no legislation. Why hasn't he been able to pass any legislation? Because he's not bought and sold by the Corporate interests that are the ones who get legislation passed. And the ones who are owned by the big money don't allow his legislation to pass. Just like that study that keeps getting posted in the forum explained. We The People have no influence in passing legislation. Only the big corporate and banking interests are able to do that.
Sanders works his butt off in a dysfunctional corrupt system to get amendments included in legislation, trying to at least lessen the damage to the country and us.
From 2005:
Long read, but quite informative and has a lot of specifics on how influenctial corporations are at running the country.
< http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...0050825 >
From yesterday:
Showing how even a luke-warm compliment to Sanders was changed after being published to take away any sort of compliment.
< https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...0160315 >
See how important and useful SB's spin and repeated lies can be?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,11:52 am
Look what this guy did in less than six years. I really don't think he was bought.< https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/paul_wellstone/400566 >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 16 2016,1:00 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 16 2016,11:52 am)
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Look what this guy did in less than six years. I really don't think he was bought.
< https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/paul_wellstone/400566 >
< https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/paul_wellstone/400566 >
Wellstone was not able to get one single bill that he proposed passed into law.
< https://www.congress.gov/member...%3Adesc >
His entire record looks almost identical to Sander's. Tons of Bill introductions, and tons of amendments.
< https://www.congress.gov/member...d%22%7D >
Thanks again SB.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 16 2016,2:03 pm
At least he wasn't batsh!t crazy.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 17 2016,5:51 am
Sanders isn't offering anything that other industrialized nations don't already offer their citizens..Sanders is working to reinstate the Glass–Steagall Act and protect our retirements and investments.
Sanders has done more for veterans then any politician, bar none, he's not a warmonger who'll create more dead and crippled soldiers.
My net worth also exceeds Sanders, but I don't see him as some kind of economic threat..fact is, I see his economic policy as the path to prosperity for all of US...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 17 2016,6:27 am
^^ he's a loserEnd of story
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 17 2016,10:46 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 17 2016,5:51 am)
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Sanders isn't offering anything that other industrialized nations don't already offer their citizens..
Sanders is working to reinstate the Glass–Steagall Act and protect our retirements and investments.
Sanders has done more for veterans then any politician, bar none, he's not a warmonger who'll create more dead and crippled soldiers.
My net worth also exceeds Sanders, but I don't see him as some kind of economic threat..fact is, I see his economic policy as the path to prosperity for all of US...
Sanders is working to reinstate the Glass–Steagall Act and protect our retirements and investments.
Sanders has done more for veterans then any politician, bar none, he's not a warmonger who'll create more dead and crippled soldiers.
My net worth also exceeds Sanders, but I don't see him as some kind of economic threat..fact is, I see his economic policy as the path to prosperity for all of US...
I just gotta say that I am shocked at how well Bernie has been doing. When I first heard he was running I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew that what little coverage he would get in the national news was going to be spin and lies against him, and that he didn't stand a chance. I think that's the first comment I made on this thread. I've been pleasantly surprised at how things have gone even with so many things working against him. It really is surprising, and even though he is not doing as well as Clinton, it's still exciting. It's exciting for a lot of reasons. One very big reason is that it really does show how the big national news organizations are losing their influence and grip. People know they are full of crap and more people all the time are realizing that they aren't trustworthy. FINALLY!!!
From yesterday:
Amy Goodman:
And we’re also going to play a speech that was not played on either—any of the three major news networks last night. They played every single address of the winners and the losers, except Bernie Sanders’, inexplicably. They instead, while he was starting to speak, kept talking about who they were going to be going to soon, who was, yes, the winner of the night of the Republicans in a broad sweep, Donald Trump.
JOHN NICHOLS: That’s exactly right. Look, you summed it up, in a sense, in that comparison right at the start, where you said, you know, here, Bernie Sanders, who remains a viable contender, is not paid attention to, because they were waiting to make sure they didn’t miss a second of Donald Trump.
AMY GOODMAN: They were waiting. He hadn’t even started speaking.
JOHN NICHOLS: Yeah. It’s a speech by an actual candidate who, by the way, is winning more primaries than all these Republicans who are trying to take down Trump, is not going to get anywhere near airtime, because we have a fully Trump-obsessed media. And they live for it. And if Trump might come on any time in the next 10 minutes, nobody else get near that camera time. And this is the explanation for why Trump is doing so very, very well. He is surfing a wave of media attention. Even when he does something wrong, he still is wall-to-wall. And he knows that most of our media is a dumb beast. He just feeds it. And the fact of the matter is, if he says something that’s obnoxious, if his supporters do something that’s obnoxious, if something horrible happens, he’ll just feed them something new the next day and be right in the middle of it.
...
AMY GOODMAN: As Senator Bernie Sanders began his address on Tuesday night, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC all declined to cut away, instead just continuing with their pundits’ commentary and graphics promising they would soon go to Donald Trump’s speech. So we’re going to do something we didn’t consider particularly revolutionary in this 2016 year: We’re going to actually play an excerpt of what Bernie Sanders had to say.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: We’re a democracy. People have different points of view. But what is not acceptable, no matter what your point of view is, is to throw racist attacks against Mexicans. The reason that Donald Trump will never be elected president is the American people will not accept insults to Mexicans, Muslims or women. ... What Trump is about and other demagogues have always been about is scapegoating minorities, turning one group against another group. But we are too smart to fall for that.
...
NINA TURNER: Well, Amy, we’ve certainly come a long way in this campaign. And let us not forget that Senator Sanders is a senator from Vermont, with about 600,000 people, not a terribly diverse state. People wrote him off from the time he made his announcement to become the president of the United States of America. And look at him now. And to the credit of Democracy Now!, and I want to thank you so much for even playing a portion of his speech. A lot of this has to do with the corporate media structure, who—they have locked him out. And so they don’t want people to hear his message. So it’s either about Mr. Trump—he gets the overwhelming majority—or it’s about Secretary Clinton.
< http://www.democracynow.org/2016...t_media >
I highly recommend the news program Democracy Now. It's a lot more informative than any of the big mainstream news outlets. I've posted things from Democracy Now from time to time in here, and once a forum member accused them of being "as left as you can get" lol, obviously she had never actually seen one of their programs.
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I should have worded that differently. Democracy Now is very "left". I should have said that they are extremely honest and informative. They don't gloss over anything having to do with Obama or his administration. You'll learn more in one episode than in watching a week of MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 17 2016,1:35 pm
I've checked out FSTVI had to turn it off, turns out I have a low tolerance for pious bullsh!t TV.
I see they like to beg for money like PBS
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 17 2016,2:37 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 17 2016,1:35 pm)
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I've checked out FSTV
I had to turn it off, turns out I have a low tolerance for pious bullsh!t TV.
I see they like to beg for money like PBS
I had to turn it off, turns out I have a low tolerance for pious bullsh!t TV.
I see they like to beg for money like PBS
Well, that's why you will always be clueless then. You'll listen to the crap spewing out of people like Bill O'Reilly, (No-Spin-Zone
) but you can't listen to honest reporting. Ignorance is bliss eh SB.Yes, every once in awhile Democracy Now will say "We are viewer supported. We refuse to take corporate money" That's probably why they can report on the things that are actually important and are actually happening. It's also probably the reason that when 50 or so reporters were arrested at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul in 2008. the ONLY reporters who were released that same day were the Democracy Now reporters. Their producers went apecrap all over the St. Paul police department, and also called and notified every single media person they could think of, AND, Democracy Now viewers also called and went apecrap all over the St. Paul police department demanding that the reporters be released.
All other reporters stayed in jail over night.
Democracy Now
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 17 2016,2:48 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 17 2016,10:46 am)
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(Expatriate @ Mar. 17 2016,5:51 am)
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Sanders isn't offering anything that other industrialized nations don't already offer their citizens..
Sanders is working to reinstate the Glass–Steagall Act and protect our retirements and investments.
Sanders has done more for veterans then any politician, bar none, he's not a warmonger who'll create more dead and crippled soldiers.
My net worth also exceeds Sanders, but I don't see him as some kind of economic threat..fact is, I see his economic policy as the path to prosperity for all of US...
Sanders is working to reinstate the Glass–Steagall Act and protect our retirements and investments.
Sanders has done more for veterans then any politician, bar none, he's not a warmonger who'll create more dead and crippled soldiers.
My net worth also exceeds Sanders, but I don't see him as some kind of economic threat..fact is, I see his economic policy as the path to prosperity for all of US...
I just gotta say that I am shocked at how well Bernie has been doing. When I first heard he was running I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew that what little coverage he would get in the national news was going to be spin and lies against him, and that he didn't stand a chance. I think that's the first comment I made on this thread. I've been pleasantly surprised at how things have gone even with so many things working against him. It really is surprising, and even though he is not doing as well as Clinton, it's still exciting. It's exciting for a lot of reasons. One very big reason is that it really does show how the big national news organizations are losing their influence and grip. People know they are full of crap and more people all the time are realizing that they aren't trustworthy. FINALLY!!!
From yesterday:
Amy Goodman:
And we’re also going to play a speech that was not played on either—any of the three major news networks last night. They played every single address of the winners and the losers, except Bernie Sanders’, inexplicably. They instead, while he was starting to speak, kept talking about who they were going to be going to soon, who was, yes, the winner of the night of the Republicans in a broad sweep, Donald Trump.
JOHN NICHOLS: That’s exactly right. Look, you summed it up, in a sense, in that comparison right at the start, where you said, you know, here, Bernie Sanders, who remains a viable contender, is not paid attention to, because they were waiting to make sure they didn’t miss a second of Donald Trump.
AMY GOODMAN: They were waiting. He hadn’t even started speaking.
JOHN NICHOLS: Yeah. It’s a speech by an actual candidate who, by the way, is winning more primaries than all these Republicans who are trying to take down Trump, is not going to get anywhere near airtime, because we have a fully Trump-obsessed media. And they live for it. And if Trump might come on any time in the next 10 minutes, nobody else get near that camera time. And this is the explanation for why Trump is doing so very, very well. He is surfing a wave of media attention. Even when he does something wrong, he still is wall-to-wall. And he knows that most of our media is a dumb beast. He just feeds it. And the fact of the matter is, if he says something that’s obnoxious, if his supporters do something that’s obnoxious, if something horrible happens, he’ll just feed them something new the next day and be right in the middle of it.
...
AMY GOODMAN: As Senator Bernie Sanders began his address on Tuesday night, Fox News, CNN and MSNBC all declined to cut away, instead just continuing with their pundits’ commentary and graphics promising they would soon go to Donald Trump’s speech. So we’re going to do something we didn’t consider particularly revolutionary in this 2016 year: We’re going to actually play an excerpt of what Bernie Sanders had to say.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: We’re a democracy. People have different points of view. But what is not acceptable, no matter what your point of view is, is to throw racist attacks against Mexicans. The reason that Donald Trump will never be elected president is the American people will not accept insults to Mexicans, Muslims or women. ... What Trump is about and other demagogues have always been about is scapegoating minorities, turning one group against another group. But we are too smart to fall for that.
...
NINA TURNER: Well, Amy, we’ve certainly come a long way in this campaign. And let us not forget that Senator Sanders is a senator from Vermont, with about 600,000 people, not a terribly diverse state. People wrote him off from the time he made his announcement to become the president of the United States of America. And look at him now. And to the credit of Democracy Now!, and I want to thank you so much for even playing a portion of his speech. A lot of this has to do with the corporate media structure, who—they have locked him out. And so they don’t want people to hear his message. So it’s either about Mr. Trump—he gets the overwhelming majority—or it’s about Secretary Clinton.
< http://www.democracynow.org/2016...t_media >
I highly recommend the news program Democracy Now. It's a lot more informative than any of the big mainstream news outlets. I've posted things from Democracy Now from time to time in here, and once a forum member accused them of being "as left as you can get" lol, obviously she had never actually seen one of their programs.
EDIT***
I should have worded that differently. Democracy Now is very "left". I should have said that they are extremely honest and informative. They don't gloss over anything having to do with Obama or his administration. You'll learn more in one episode than in watching a week of MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.
Six Corporations control better than 90% of our daily news, they've been down playing Sanders from day one, they're telling US it's over now to try to discourage US, they're in for a surprise...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 17 2016,2:52 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 17 2016,2:37 pm)
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Ignorance is bliss
You seem well practiced in this area
Elsewhere, just diggin'
< http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money >
Posted by Marneman on Mar. 18 2016,1:06 am
I been laughing for the last few days listening to talk radio go on about how the Republican establisment (ie the party machine) is pushing for a brokered convention so they can finally force Trump out, and of course lots of speculation on who they will put forward as the canidate(one scenerio had Bush as the eventual nominee) After listening to this stuff I relized the Republican Machine should have borrowed from the Democratic machines tactics. Despite overwhelming grass roots support for Mr. Sanders unfortunatly the machine already has the fix in to annoint Mrs. Clinton as the canidate. While I support a lot of what Mr. Sanders is pushing the Machine, the press and the corporate elites want their canidate, Mrs. Clinton, to be the nominee. Barring anything happening to Mrs. Clinton(do we really think she will be indited before November?) she will be the nominee unfortunatly
If it does come down to Clinton or Trump in the November election god help us all!
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 18 2016,5:17 am
If Super Delegates are the determining factor nominating Clinton the 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention will look like a cake walk compared to the Philadelphia uprising of 2016...
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 18 2016,5:40 am
Posted by grassman on Mar. 18 2016,6:45 am
Sorry SB, he's right. Now sweetie, come give mamma a hug.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 18 2016,6:53 am
My call is wages being stagnate about the last six years, declining even. I like the round about way the video twists wage stagnation into social justice, pretty slippery.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 18 2016,7:16 am
Oh baby, you picked up mamma's spin, real nice. Come on, let's dance.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 18 2016,7:55 am
^^ you have so strange fetish with her??
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 21 2016,7:02 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 21 2016,7:06 am
^^You're still a loser
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 21 2016,8:23 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 18 2016,5:17 am)
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If Super Delegates are the determining factor nominating Clinton the 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention will look like a cake walk compared to the Philadelphia uprising of 2016...
You ain't kidding. And to think if the R's go the way of a brokered convention you could have both parties throwing riots in the streets. Personally, I think that would be a good thing. Both machines need to be blown up.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 23 2016,7:12 am
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 23 2016,7:27 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 23 2016,10:09 am
^^ they should be used to it from waiting in line for welfare.I had to wait in line at my precinct.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 24 2016,6:58 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 24 2016,9:03 am
^^ yeah, and Batsh!t only needs 1463 more delegates to win And stroke lady needs 673 more.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 24 2016,11:05 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 24 2016,9:03 am)
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^^ yeah, and Batsh!t only needs 1463 more delegates to win
And stroke lady needs 673 more.
And stroke lady needs 673 more.
Actually, in the real delegate count, the one that matters, the We The People delegates, (not super delegates),
Sanders needs 1,209
Clinton needs 906
That's only a difference of 303.
Another awesome thing about Bernie. He's the only candidate who didn't go give a speech at AIPAC and kiss their zionist butts.
Not only did he skip going, but he also gave a fantastic speech that didn't suck up to them. He didn't attack them, he just told it like it is in quite a diplomatic way. Bernie
< https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/ >
Usually not going along with AIPAC is political suicide. He was also one of only a few who didn't attend the Netanyahu speech to Congress.
Posted by Liberal on Mar. 24 2016,1:56 pm
I just realized after Bernie loses we have to put up with all their whining and conspiracy theories for months, maybe years.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 24 2016,2:11 pm
[QUOTE]Not only did he skip going, but he also gave a fantastic speech that didn't suck up to them. He didn't attack them, he just told it like it is in quite a diplomatic way. Bernie
< https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/ >
Usually not going along with AIPAC is political suicide. He was also one of only a few who didn't attend the Netanyahu speech to Congress.
This should be popular in the Jewish community.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 24 2016,3:02 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 24 2016,2:11 pm)
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[QUOTE]
Not only did he skip going, but he also gave a fantastic speech that didn't suck up to them. He didn't attack them, he just told it like it is in quite a diplomatic way. Bernie
< https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/ >
Usually not going along with AIPAC is political suicide. He was also one of only a few who didn't attend the Netanyahu speech to Congress.
This should be popular in the Jewish community.
Not only did he skip going, but he also gave a fantastic speech that didn't suck up to them. He didn't attack them, he just told it like it is in quite a diplomatic way. Bernie
< https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/ >
Usually not going along with AIPAC is political suicide. He was also one of only a few who didn't attend the Netanyahu speech to Congress.
This should be popular in the Jewish community.
Well, since Trump TOTALLY pissed off and upset the AIPAC leaders, and hundreds of Rabbis and others walked out on Trump...maybe Trump should have not gone to the conference
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 24 2016,4:51 pm
Wanna see what life would be like after a few years of a Batsh!t presidency?< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 24 2016,5:50 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 24 2016,4:51 pm)
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Wanna see what life would be like after a few years of a Batsh!t presidency?
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela >
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela >
No, it would be like all of the Bernie supporters in the forum keep trying to explain to you: < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model >
But you don't listen. No matter what anybody says, you just keep
. You like being ignorant. You like looking like an ignorant fool. Since you seem so fond of emoticons, maybe this one will help it sink into your thick skull finally.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 24 2016,6:22 pm
^^ Funny, I was thinking pretty much the same about you, except with you it's like fruitlessly trying to explain it to a child, no emoticons needed.I'm sure the people of Venezuela thought it was going to be alright in the beginning. The road to hell...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 24 2016,6:38 pm
Batsh!t's perfect running mate
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 25 2016,6:18 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2016,6:28 am
^^just another mindless moron.As Lib posted, it'll be a long time of listening to lame excuses as to "why he lost" and "how badly he got screwed"
Posted by grassman on Mar. 25 2016,6:41 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 21 2016,7:06 am)
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^^
You're still a loser
You're still a loser
So what branch of the armed services was it that you were in?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2016,7:38 am
^^ are we going to start that BS again? "I'm better because I served?"
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 25 2016,9:50 am
Makes more sense than the "I'm better because I'm rich" argument you keep backhandedly throwing out there.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 25 2016,11:06 am
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 25 2016,9:50 am)
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Makes more sense than the "I'm better because I'm rich" argument you keep backhandedly throwing out there.
NONE of SB's arguments make sense. He won't even say which candidate he is supporting! Think he's embarrassed?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 25 2016,11:18 am
SB=
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2016,3:16 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 25 2016,11:06 am)
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NONE of SB's arguments make sense. He won't even say which candidate he is supporting! Think he's embarrassed?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
Let's see, this one first
I'll add some emojis just to make you feel better..1 Batsh!t is a mental midget when it comes to foreigners policy, don't believe me? Google it
2 his immigration policy is a joke, they're not undocumented workers, they're criminals, send them back as they're caught, kids along with them.
3 he's a socialist, as I said in another post, explaining this to you is like trying to tell a six year old something they don't agree with.
4 he's a loser, he's never held a real job in his life then around 40 he's elect mayor (must have been an even bigger loader as his opponent)
Now I hope this clears this up for you. Once again I'm reminded why Lib gets so irritated with you.
And as far as my presidential pick, again f**k off.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 25 2016,3:34 pm
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 25 2016,9:50 am)
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Makes more sense than the "I'm better because I'm rich" argument you keep backhandedly throwing out there.
Like the backhanded "I'm so special smart" backhanded responses?
Get over yourself pal.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 25 2016,10:05 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 25 2016,3:16 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 25 2016,11:06 am)
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NONE of SB's arguments make sense. He won't even say which candidate he is supporting! Think he's embarrassed?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
Let's see, this one first
I'll add some emojis just to make you feel better..1 Batsh!t is a mental midget when it comes to foreigners policy, don't believe me? Google it
2 his immigration policy is a joke, they're not undocumented workers, they're criminals, send them back as they're caught, kids along with them.
3 he's a socialist, as I said in another post, explaining this to you is like trying to tell a six year old something they don't agree with.
4 he's a loser, he's never held a real job in his life then around 40 he's elect mayor (must have been an even bigger loader as his opponent)
Now I hope this clears this up for you. Once again I'm reminded why Lib gets so irritated with you.
1.) Google your imagination again?
Insisting on diplomacy first and foremost and only resorting to war as a last resort means he's a mental midget?? Absolutely condemning our decades of meddling in numerous countries around the world and pointing out how we have destabilized entire countries and the devastating consequences means he's a mental midget for not wanting to continue on with the same disastrous policies? Trump wants to carpet bomb countries, has even talked about using nukes, and even though experts agree that torture does not work, Trump says he'll increase torture techniques.
2.) Trump wants to round up 11 million people and deport them? You don't foresee any problems with that plan? Build a wall? A really big beautiful wall and make Mexico pay for it? Seriously?
Sanders wants to secure the border, regulate the flow of immigrants by fixing the visa system and rewriting bad trade agreements. He proposes using high grade cameras, thermal imaging, movement sensors and other technologies as well as rebuilding crumbling infrastructure alone the border regions. He wants to end the "Constitution Free Zone" and direct resources where they are most needed.
3.) You're the one who isn't listening to anyone who tries to explain this to you.
4.) So he had a few different jobs, so what. And he was a great Mayor and has been a fantastic Senator.
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And as far as my presidential pick, again f**k off.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Mar. 25 2016,10:50 pm
Senator Bernie Sanders is the candidate for a stronger America of enhanced global influence. He is a sober, clear-eyed, foreign-policy realist. Yet few recognize this, mainly because of his impassioned focus on broad domestic reforms. Most view Sanders as anything but a realist—more like a utopian idealist—and concede the foreign-policy advantage to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton or any of the tough-talking Republican candidates. But they are wrong, and the liberal Sanders is paradoxically the only foreign-policy realist in the presidential field. This comes as a surprise because realism in the popular mind has grown synonymous with overweening might and unilateral assertion of US objectives; think “shock and awe” and “regime change.” Sanders is none of those, and most equate him instead with foreign-policy idealism: allergic to the use of force, and naively trusting in multilateral diplomacy. But these are not Sanders either. Moreover, such simplistic definitions have diverged very far from their original, nuanced meanings, which it behooves us to recall at this most troubled time in international affairs.
...
With other candidates waving the banner of American exceptionalism, only Sanders is realist enough to sound the alarm that political corruption and deepening inequality have put the domestic foundations of that leadership in real jeopardy.
This returns us to the first and simplest of realism’s precepts—discarding illusion and self-congratulation to see the world as it is, to see ourselves as others see us, to face reality. This means admitting that the post–Cold War designs of both neoconservatives and liberal interventionists have done more harm than good. It means acknowledging the epic disaster of our Mideast policies—of Democratic and Republican presidents alike—and both the regional chaos they have caused as well as the myriad new threats that now radiate out toward Europe, Russia, Africa, and Asia. It also means asking how much stronger would our military be if not for over a decade of wars, thousands of US soldiers killed, and up to 1 million more wounded? And how much more influence might we yield today if the several trillion dollars these wars have consumed had been invested instead in infrastructure or global development?
< http://www.thenation.com/article...of-2016 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 26 2016,6:48 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 25 2016,10:05 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 25 2016,3:16 pm)
QUOTE
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Mar. 25 2016,11:06 am)
QUOTE
NONE of SB's arguments make sense. He won't even say which candidate he is supporting! Think he's embarrassed?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
The only things he has in refuting Sanders are lies, spin and completely ignoring pretty much anything others say, and name calling Sanders and anyone who supports him.
Has he put one single valid argument against Sanders, or the corruption in government, or put one single valid argument in favor of any other candidate?
Let's see, this one first
I'll add some emojis just to make you feel better..1 Batsh!t is a mental midget when it comes to foreigners policy, don't believe me? Google it
2 his immigration policy is a joke, they're not undocumented workers, they're criminals, send them back as they're caught, kids along with them.
3 he's a socialist, as I said in another post, explaining this to you is like trying to tell a six year old something they don't agree with.
4 he's a loser, he's never held a real job in his life then around 40 he's elect mayor (must have been an even bigger loader as his opponent)
Now I hope this clears this up for you. Once again I'm reminded why Lib gets so irritated with you.
1.) Google your imagination again?
Insisting on diplomacy first and foremost and only resorting to war as a last resort means he's a mental midget?? Absolutely condemning our decades of meddling in numerous countries around the world and pointing out how we have destabilized entire countries and the devastating consequences means he's a mental midget for not wanting to continue on with the same disastrous policies? Trump wants to carpet bomb countries, has even talked about using nukes, and even though experts agree that torture does not work, Trump says he'll increase torture techniques.
2.) Trump wants to round up 11 million people and deport them? You don't foresee any problems with that plan? Build a wall? A really big beautiful wall and make Mexico pay for it? Seriously?
Sanders wants to secure the border, regulate the flow of immigrants by fixing the visa system and rewriting bad trade agreements. He proposes using high grade cameras, thermal imaging, movement sensors and other technologies as well as rebuilding crumbling infrastructure alone the border regions. He wants to end the "Constitution Free Zone" and direct resources where they are most needed.
3.) You're the one who isn't listening to anyone who tries to explain this to you.
4.) So he had a few different jobs, so what. And he was a great Mayor and has been a fantastic Senator.
QUOTE
And as far as my presidential pick, again f**k off.
As I've stated many times, explaining it to a child. You're hopeless, clueless and brainless. You're one of those people you see in a commercial getting fleeced of your bank account by some huckster while others sit back and wonder if you could be any dumber.
I'm done with you, it's hopeless, you're why people sometimes hope for an IQ test to qualify to vote.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 26 2016,5:53 pm
Bernie has huuuge victories in Washington State and Alaska! Looks like Bernie's gona smoke her in Hawaii too..Feel the Bernupdate: Bernie takes all three States..go Bernie!
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 29 2016,4:54 am
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 29 2016,5:32 am
^^ Imagine my surprise
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 29 2016,11:49 pm
< http://youtu.be/yIOgvG0oBXM >Democratic Socialist
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 30 2016,6:36 am
^Yet another attack on his fellow worker by our resident scab!When a CEO of a company makes more in one hour than his employees make in a year yet MY tax dollars are used to subsidize his employees, it's time to say enough is enough!
You fall for all the propagandized jargon about how raising the minimum wage is bad for the economy, when the truth is just the opposite!
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 30 2016,6:57 am
I have no problem with someone bettering themselves, earning more, it just needs to be earned, deserving, qualified. Propaganda? You've fallen victim to one of the biggest scams of all time, socialism. You need to be "deprogramed".< http://youtu.be/-r3-oWCYM3k >
Of course with someone with your limited intellect, it's going to be a long process.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 30 2016,10:22 am
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyo0MPRnYoY >
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 30 2016,11:01 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 30 2016,11:32 am
(grassman @ Mar. 30 2016,10:22 am)
QUOTE
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyo0MPRnYoY >
Then move to Canada.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 30 2016,11:43 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 30 2016,11:01 am)
QUOTE
She's kinda nasty.
She looks like she gives good venereal diseases though.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 30 2016,1:45 pm
SB baby, you stay out of her bed. You need anything, you come to mama!
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 01 2016,5:36 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,6:41 am
Let's dumb it down for Expat, maybe he'll see the light (doubtful)< http://www.zerohedge.com/news...m-fails >
Posted by grassman on Apr. 01 2016,7:56 am
Ok, and what has that got to do with Bernie's platform?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,8:14 am
^^ Free sh!t. Socialism
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 01 2016,8:48 am
You're right. There's too much free stuff. Like roads. Firemen. Policemen. Sidewalks. Public parks. Libraries. These things do not mandate that those that use them must pay taxes. Why, just the other day, I saw some children going into the library. I know they're not paying any taxes. Socialism is ruining this country.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 01 2016,8:49 am
SB, Wow! That is deep man. Very deep. Botto, those kids need to be shipped to Canada!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,10:25 am
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 01 2016,8:48 am)
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You're right. There's too much free stuff. Like roads. Firemen. Policemen. Sidewalks. Public parks. Libraries. These things do not mandate that those that use them must pay taxes. Why, just the other day, I saw some children going into the library. I know they're not paying any taxes. Socialism is ruining this country.
I don't recall libraries being a right.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 01 2016,11:20 am
That's obvious, doesn't mean you shouldn't have tried one.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,12:57 pm
^^ ah, so I bring up a legitimate point and all you have is an insult, fair enough. Let's ring up the point that libraries are absolete, now school districts whine for money for IPads, whole cities are wifi hotspots. Libraries are as needed as post offices are now, libraries should be downsized, post offices, privatized. So let's try the next one, near and dear to my heart, roads. Let's not go into the heavy truck bitches, let's do private transportation. My tabs on my personal vehicle ran about $500 this year, but the wood hauler I keep at the cabin was about $65, I assume that most of the clowns I see running down the road with blue smoke coming out of their tail pipes are paying about the same as my wood hauler. You want fair don't you? It's the same wear on the highway, why aren't they paying the same as me?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 01 2016,1:48 pm
Let's see. Same for everyone on car tabs. Didn't Jesse do that and you threw him under the bus?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 01 2016,4:55 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,5:20 pm
(grassman @ Apr. 01 2016,1:48 pm)
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Let's see. Same for everyone on car tabs. Didn't Jesse do that and you threw him under the bus?
Actually, I got into a three way bet months before the election, Jesse was my guy. Jesse's campaign was the very first time I contributed to one. Then he got into office and hooked up with Ted Mondale and it was all down hill from there. That was about the only thing I liked was the tab reduction, notice it didn't last long. I would have got some of the rebate money but my ex got a hold of it first.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 01 2016,5:28 pm
(Expatriate @ Apr. 01 2016,4:55 pm)
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GERMANY: ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NAZI dictatorship
The Nazi rise to power in Germany brought an end to the quasi-democratic system of presidential rule into which the leaders of the Weimar Republic slipped in response to the economic crisis of the Great Depression. Following his appointment as chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, Adolf Hitler began laying the foundations of the Nazi state. Guided by racist and authoritarian principles, the Nazis eliminated individual freedoms and pronounced the creation of a Volk Community (Volksgemeinschaft)—a society which would, in theory, transcend class and religious
< https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005204 >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 02 2016,5:48 am
When the right-wing kooks try to associate the Sander's Political Revolution with Hitler they're running scared...Sanders won 78 percent of the vote in Idaho and 79 percent in Utah. He took 82 percent of the vote in Alaska, 73 percent in Washington, and 70 percent in Hawaii, the coin flipping days are over...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2016,6:19 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 02 2016,5:48 am)
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When the right-wing kooks try to associate the Sander's Political Revolution with Hitler
Because this is how Hitler started.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 02 2016,6:39 am
^As usual you're totally confused as to which candidate you are referring...idgit.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 02 2016,7:17 am
^^ Tell me, oh Dip o' the sh!t what's Batsh!t going to do if (and more likely when) there's another 911? Run and hide like he did in the 60's ? Tell them to "feel the bern?" Maybe apologize like our current failure. Batsh!t's foreign policy is non existent.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 02 2016,1:09 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 02 2016,7:17 am)
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^^ Tell me, oh Dip o' the sh!t what's Batsh!t going to do if (and more likely when) there's another 911? Run and hide like he did in the 60's ? Tell them to "feel the bern?" Maybe apologize like our current failure. Batsh!t's foreign policy is non existent.
Wow, seriously?
This is some of what Sanders has to say about foreign policy on his website:
< https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/ >
And a lot more on his foreign policy:
< http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Foreign_Policy.htm >
Now compare that to what is said on Cruz's website:
< https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/defend-our-nation/ >
What a load of "American Exceptionalism" crap.
And compare it to the foreign policy on Trump's website:
Oooops, there's absolutely NOTHING on Trump's website about foreign policy. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Whose Foreign Policy Is Scarier: Cruz's or Trump's?:
< http://www.slate.com/article..._s.html >
How does your mystery candidate compare?
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 03 2016,11:06 am
Trump has never been against abortion.. Doesn't that alone make him a liberal?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2016,4:57 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2016,6:01 am
Interesting article < http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-has...returns >
Posted by grassman on Apr. 04 2016,11:53 am
What? A smoking gun? Try just another nonstory. The media is really turning into rabid dogs. lol They are out for a story, doesn't matter if it is anything, they will make it seem like something. Dickerson yesterday, interviewing Trump on face the nation. He reminded me of Little Rubio. The media is showing what clowns they are.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2016,1:49 pm
I just said it was interesting, nothing more. You're getting paranoid.Do you need to be suckled by Hillary some more?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 04 2016,3:36 pm
Did you say suckle SB? Come to Mamma SB darling, let me fix you up! MMMMUUUAAAHHH!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2016,4:03 pm
^^ aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 04 2016,7:18 pm
Oh this is funny< http://youtu.be/b0qg7RY5eZs >
Posted by grassman on Apr. 05 2016,6:29 am
Would you like some pepper on them?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 05 2016,7:14 am
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2016,7:49 am
< http://www.usnews.com/opinion...ibility >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 06 2016,5:39 am
Wisconsin Democratic Primary
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 06 2016,7:25 am
^^ so if he wins 50 or 60 more states he's in, wow, living the dream
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 06 2016,7:42 am
According to Corporate owned news he’s still the underdog, at least they'd like you to believe he doesn't have a real chance.He'll win Wyoming this Saturday, small potatoes, New York may be closer, but he'll smoke her in California and clean up on the rest of west coast and northeast states..
When he takes the popular vote it'll put pressure on the super delegates to come over to Bernie's camp..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 06 2016,8:33 am
^^ you might want to have your doctors adjust your Abilify meds.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 06 2016,8:46 am
He speaks the truth. The American voters are fed up with the status quo coming from both sides of the aisle. This is going to be the making of history. Now the Panama Papers have hit the news. Going to push even more voters to go away from the Clintons and the rest of the insiders. About time.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 06 2016,9:31 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 30 2016,11:01 am)
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Great video Expat. See this one yet?
< View on YouTube >
I love this one.
xxx
Grassman
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He speaks the truth. The American voters are fed up with the status quo coming from both sides of the aisle. This is going to be the making of history. Now the Panama Papers have hit the news. Going to push even more voters to go away from the Clintons and the rest of the insiders. About time.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 07 2016,8:02 am
(grassman @ Apr. 06 2016,8:46 am)
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He speaks the truth. The American voters are fed up with the status quo coming from both sides of the aisle. This is going to be the making of history. Now the Panama Papers have hit the news. Going to push even more voters to go away from the Clintons and the rest of the insiders. About time.
Sanders and watchdog groups warned about tax havens and the Panama Free Trade agreement while Hillary pushed it. Hopefully this all gets a lot more coverage in the mainstream...
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 07 2016,9:32 am
@ Rose Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2016,10:03 am
^^ what people do with that kind of money? It's their money
You're not gaurenteed anything in this life.
Go find another job.
Then we get to watch Batsh!t go into the "I give a sh!t face palm"
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 07 2016,10:24 am
^^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2016,11:09 am
^^ yes you most certainly do dumbass
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 07 2016,1:07 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 07 2016,10:03 am)
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^^ what people do with that kind of money?
It's their money
You're not gaurenteed anything in this life.
Go find another job.
Then we get to watch Batsh!t go into the "I give a sh!t face palm"
It's their money
You're not gaurenteed anything in this life.
Go find another job.
Then we get to watch Batsh!t go into the "I give a sh!t face palm"
You're a broken freakin record. Good god. It's their money? Who made them THEIR money? How can you in ANY way justify workers getting less and less, while the top gets more and more? One of the reasons the top gets more is because the bottom gets less. Get another job...meanwhile more and more companies pull the threat "work for less or get nothing when we move to China or India."
Your business depends on how well the economy in America does too. Oh, I know, I know. "I'm SB, I'll be fine. I'm smarter, harder working, and far more ingenious than most americans, so I'll be fine no matter what. And if this entire country turns into a 3rd world country, I'll just move my family to an up-and-coming country like China or India where the real opportunities are."
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 07 2016,7:21 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 07 2016,1:07 pm)
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Oh, I know, I know. "I'm SB, I'll be fine. I'm smarter, harder working, and far more ingenious than most americans, so I'll be fine no matter what. And if this entire country turns into a 3rd world country, I'll just move my family to an up-and-coming country like China or India where the real opportunities are."
Now why the Hell didn't I think of that..?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2016,5:30 am
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 07 2016,7:21 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 07 2016,1:07 pm)
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Oh, I know, I know. "I'm SB, I'll be fine. I'm smarter, harder working, and far more ingenious than most americans, so I'll be fine no matter what. And if this entire country turns into a 3rd world country, I'll just move my family to an up-and-coming country like China or India where the real opportunities are."
Now why the Hell didn't I think of that..?
Probably because you are a moron
Smarter? Probably not.
Harder working? My peers refer to me as a workaholic.
Ingenious? Comes with the territory.
Move my family? No, I believe in capitalism, if the economy were to fall apart and we became a third world country (a possible reality if pigs were to fly and Batsh!t got elected) I'd adjust, I might end up making a hansome living selling dirt cookies to idiots like you two. "sorry, no raisins this week, the rabbit died"
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 08 2016,9:35 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 08 2016,5:30 am)
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Harder working? My peers refer to me as a workaholic.
Ingenious? Comes with the territory.
Ingenious? Comes with the territory.
Yeah, you're working pretty hard just getting in and out of the truck gear-jammer...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2016,9:44 am
^^ Theing is, I see that kind of sh!t everyday, how the hell are they passing a DOT physical? How the hell does Expat pleasure somebody like that at the pickle park.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2016,6:19 pm
< http://youtu.be/QoxldHAHey4 >
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 08 2016,9:13 pm
Newt Gingrich Says Exactly What Many Liberals Have Been Saying About Ted CruzRead more at: < http://www.forwardprogressives.com/newt-gi...ed-cruz >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 09 2016,7:47 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 08 2016,5:30 am)
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Probably because you are a moron
There's only one moron in this whole topic and it certainly isn't Botto. It's the guy who tosses total bullcrap into the forum and as soon as it's shown to be total bullcrap, he just tosses in some more bullcrap, pretending he didn't even see how his previous line of poo was discredited. Over and over.
What I think might be even more moronic than that though, is how a person can be SO vocal against the one and only candidate being discussed and supported in this forum, but refuses to say who he supports and why.
Seems to me that since you keep saying things like "He will destroy the country" you might feel the need to explain to others who you think should actually run the country and why. Your lies, spin and rhetoric obviously aren't working Polly, so maybe you can show everybody who a better alternative is. Unless of course, the country being "destroyed" actually isn't that bothersome to you.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 09 2016,12:21 pm
^^ < http://townhall.com/columni...ull >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 09 2016,1:54 pm
< http://youtu.be/UOQb7Y5QVO8 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 09 2016,1:59 pm
< http://youtu.be/7qrK-MBzvzE >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 10 2016,6:08 am
Bernie beats Clinton in Wyoming caucus, winning streak continues...Feel the Bern.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 10 2016,7:43 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2016,6:08 am)
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Bernie beats Clinton in Wyoming caucus, winning streak continues...Feel the Bern.
Yes, Batsh!t most certainly did, how many net gain delegates?
0.0
< http://www.salon.com/2016...d_party >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 12 2016,7:45 am
Wow, besides being Batsh!t crazy I guess he's a moron too.< http://www.alternet.org/story..._tracks >
< http://youtu.be/vqC_YDloG-k >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 13 2016,5:15 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 13 2016,8:16 am
^^ yep, moron.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2016,5:23 am
Ah! The pandering < http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ng-veri >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 14 2016,6:00 am
^^ pander this scab..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2016,6:15 am
^^ poor baby.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2016,7:13 am
OK, back to your cute little pic ExpatThe company DOES NOT BELONG TO the employees
Company decisions are not policy of the employees to make
The company has shareholders, they are beholding to them.
The company owes no more than the wages it promised.
The truth is sometimes painful.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 14 2016,8:41 am
The choice of the workers to strike is their choice. I'm fine with so long as both sides are fine with the consequences of the actions. Personally, I feel Bernie is pandering by joining in. Nothing new for a politician though. They all do it to some degree.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2016,6:54 am
^^^Sanders has based his whole political career as a champion to the little guy, for him to show up is not pandering.This strike isn't about big union demands, it's about the Company demanding more concessions and moving jobs to Mexico and the Philippines.
Verizon made $39 billion in profits over the last three years —
$233 million in compensation to top five executives last five years...
Can you say Corporate Greed...
< http://ibew827.com/ >
< http://www.aflcio.org/Press-R...iations >
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 15 2016,8:21 am
He's a career politician. I know that much.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2016,9:06 am
Sanders has an 83% approval rating from the Vermont citizens..That's a difficult rating for any politician to obtain, he must be doing something right!
< http://thehill.com/blogs...-senate >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2016,9:49 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 15 2016,6:54 am)
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^^^Sanders has based his whole political career as a champion to the little guy, for him to show up is not pandering.
What a crock of sh!t! This guy is nothing more than a loser who couldn't make it in the private sector so he figured out that if he wangled his way into the public sector and got elected all he had to do is give stuff away. Mental midgets like Expat and a couple of others on this site are gullible enough to swallow this line of crap.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 15 2016,10:51 am
Some call it championing.. I call it pandering still. The more I look into him the less I like.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 17 2016,6:29 am
^
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 17 2016,7:04 am
We get the continued tired lines from our right-wing friends, Bernie is giving away my tax dollars to lazy poor people, he's giving away MY MONEY...bologna..the majority of these people are working so it's the Corporations they work for you're subsidizing..What's the free stuff Sanders is going to give someone like me? What I see Sanders doing is bringing back regulation to protect investors, the Glass-Steagall Act for starts, Sanders is the only candidate talking real regulation..
The little bit of money we are all taxed to feed the poor is peanuts compared to opening your quarterly statement to find half your investments are gone because because of Wall Street Bankster's shenanigans.
When you hear some Republican Candidate tell you Social Security is a entitlement..bologna, the government spent the
money from the Social Security Trust Fund replaced it with government treasury bonds and now the Republicans want to weasel you out of your retirement..
and you working class idgits keep voting right-wing..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 17 2016,8:57 am
Of course Batsh!t voted no on the repatriation, he's as anti-business as they come. Now if you know anything about this it was a one time break. So lets not do this again so companies continue to keep their money overseas, that'll benefit every body Maybe we should get rid of the convoluted tax code we have, ever think of that? A simpler tax code would benefit us all.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 17 2016,9:15 am
We have been hearing about a simpler tax code, for how many years? Why do you think one has not been implemented? Who would take a hit? It has been smoke and mirrors and will continue to be.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 18 2016,11:20 am
(grassman @ Apr. 17 2016,9:15 am)
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We have been hearing about a simpler tax code, for how many years? Why do you think one has not been implemented? Who would take a hit? It has been smoke and mirrors and will continue to be.
It just takes a prez with the balls to do it.
I was actually glad obama had the balls to try Obamacare, I think what we got out of it is terrible and needs a lot of work, but I'm glad he had the guts to do it. We can do the same with the tax code.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 18 2016,6:25 pm
Well look at this< http://www.nationalreview.com/article...pocrisy >
I should probably shoot an email to ol' Batsh!t and get the name of his accountant, I mean 13.5%? Wow! This would save me a lot of ching
Posted by grassman on Apr. 19 2016,12:08 am
Looks like Bernie has gotten someone's attention. More than I can say for most of the crap in Washington. The Occupy Wallstreet movement was mislabeled and kicked under the rug. Bernie got the rug turned over. The one's who have been feeding on everyone in reach are starting to do damage control. The gig is up and they know it. I love it! < http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016...to-fail >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2016,4:37 am
Yes, occupy wall street thousands of idiots who most of them had no idea why they were protesting. It was just a good excuse to get together, smoke dope, not bath and do a few rapes.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 19 2016,6:23 am
You just don't get it ....do you.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2016,7:22 am
What, banks? They're just another business, nothing more. You seem to have this version like when we were kids watching cartoons and the evil banker tying the damsel to the railroad track, grow up. I use banks, treated right one gets good interest rates and service, screw up and you'll get crap.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 19 2016,9:22 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2016,9:30 am
^^ nice pic, maybe you should heed it's advice.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2016,2:49 pm
< http://youtu.be/clKB0SpTqz8 >
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 19 2016,10:36 pm
Bernie put up a good fight but his days are numbered.. It is now time to get behind Hillary Clinton..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2016,10:52 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 19 2016,10:36 pm)
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Bernie put up a good fight but his days are numbered..
It is now time to get behind Hillary Clinton..
It is now time to get behind Hillary Clinton..
Yep, looks like Batsh!t's done, headed home to Vermont, as I write he's most likely in his Chairman Mao pajamas mumbling to himself, contemplating how much lower a tax rate he can pay for this year.
As far as getting behind stroke lady? I doubt even Bill has been behind that cottage-cheese ass in years.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2016,6:23 am
Someone should maybe stop by Expat's and do a welfare check, he's most likely depressed because of Batsh!t getting his ass kicked in New York. Knock on the door but whoever does it might want to duck, I don't know if he owns firearms or not (more than likely he's not alowed to own one). Stop by the drugstore and pickup some ointment for the "bern".😫
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2016,7:55 am
@ porn troll There are still 1,646 delegates..New York has a closed system in which only enrolled Democrats and Republicans can vote for their respective candidates..
This system both reinforces partisanship and punishes independent-minded voters, effectively disenfranchising them..As many of Bernie's votes come from Independents these folks aren't registered to either major party it was predicted the Goldwater Girl would win...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2016,8:54 am
^^ so that's your lame excuse for today? What a loser
FEEL THE BERN!
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 20 2016,8:56 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 19 2016,10:36 pm)
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Bernie put up a good fight but his days are numbered..
It is now time to get behind Hillary Clinton..
It is now time to get behind Hillary Clinton..
No frigging way. I'll vote for whomever the GOP nominates if the Dems put up that crook.
Imagine the government B.S. that led to your sewer problem taken to the national level. That's what a Hillary Presidency looks like.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2016,9:16 am
Oops, maybe this is why Batsh!t went home, festivities!< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler >
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 20 2016,3:24 pm
(Expatriate @ Apr. 20 2016,7:55 am)
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There are still 1,646 delegates..New York has a closed system in which only enrolled Democrats and Republicans can vote for their respective candidates..
And Bernie needs over 1200 delegates.. I just don't see it happening..
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 20 2016,8:27 pm
The Bernouts whine about New York primary like the closed primary system only hurt Bernie.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 21 2016,7:57 am
It only hurts when your candidate does not benefit from that type of system... Cmon Lib, you know how the game goes!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2016,6:26 am
This is good< http://youtu.be/ROBTDSK46aU >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2016,4:42 am
Wow, it was close last night < http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls...nt.html >
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 27 2016,8:44 am
Looks more and more like it's going to be the sleezy "businesman" vs the lady who should be in jail.Yay! America wins with these choices!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2016,11:37 am
^^let us not underestimate the entertainment value.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 27 2016,1:11 pm
Trump is going to become man of the decade. So Hillary, let's talk about your history for a while. lol. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2016,1:46 pm
^^ stroke lady's a man???Explains a lot, especially the pantsuits
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2016,11:45 am
You don't understand a lot of what you read, do you. Read again slowly.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2016,1:29 pm
^^ yeah, yeah, I read a little more to it, sue me.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2016,6:20 am
Batsh!t falling by the wayside,Think what we could've had
< http://money.cnn.com/2016...ex.html >
Posted by Expatriate on May 02 2016,6:26 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 02 2016,7:57 am
^^ I bet if you asked real nice you and Batsh!t could be put in the same rubber room, share a pudding cup
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2016,7:06 am
..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2016,8:56 am
I find it funny that when Batsh!t loses, many supporters either will not vote for stroke lady and stay home , or will vote for Trump.😀What did Batsh!t gain last night, 3 or 4 delegates?
What a joke💩
Posted by Glad I Left on May 04 2016,5:17 pm
Pretty much sums it up
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2016,4:53 am
^^Pretty close to the truth. Stroke lady would be an absolute disaster, Trump? I'd say even money, disaster or greatness.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 05 2016,7:13 am
Do you think that if $hillary got elected and everything went sideways on her watch, the party of personal responsibility would own some of the blame? Of course not. It's always some systemic failure that can be traced back to white men. Look at racial demographics when it comes to prisons. NPR just went nuts trying to point out that the irrepresentative number of blacks and hispanics in prison was obviously some systemic failure, not at all traceable to these individuals themselves, i.e. white men. Never once did anyone writing this drivel suggest for a moment that the fault might lie within the affected cultures themselves, because we've become absolute cowards when it comes to having an open and honest dialogue about race. And that's why Trump is resonating with so many people - they're sick to death of feel-good liberal policies that, at the end of the day, only make, the, problem worse.
Jason Riley, a black conservative, published a book last year entitled "Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed". Orlando Patterson of the Times wrote:
QUOTE
"One of the few things conservatives and liberals agree on about the ’60s is that it was a decade of radical change in the nation’s politics, ethnoracial and gender relations, popular culture and international policies. For liberals, the decade marked the nation’s greatest transition toward a new era of personal, socioeconomic and political liberation and inclusion, especially for blacks, initiated by the courts, the civil and voting rights acts and the Great Society programs. To most conservatives, the period, with few exceptions, was a terrible turn for the worse. And for African-American conservatives like Jason L. Riley and Shelby Steele, beyond the ending of formal discrimination in voting, education and civil rights, the era was for black Americans an unmitigated disaster, the consequences of which persist to this day.
These men are intellectual kindred; indeed, Riley dedicates “Please Stop Helping Us” to Steele and Thomas Sowell. Both claim that liberal policies to help black Americans have not just failed, but have become the main reason for nearly all their problems: unemployment, low income, family disorganization, violence, incarceration, the educational gap. Both attribute the scourge of liberal policies to white guilt; both condemn affirmative action for doing great harm to blacks and whites; both claim that blacks have been encouraged to develop a crippling mentality of victimhood and entitlement and an abandonment of the American creed of individualism and personal responsibility, leading to a culture of dependency. Both, therefore, insist that the best thing that whites, and the American government, could do for black Americans is to leave them alone to solve their own problems, and that the best strategy for black Americans is to assume “total responsibility for their future” through personal and collective transformation.
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
These men are intellectual kindred; indeed, Riley dedicates “Please Stop Helping Us” to Steele and Thomas Sowell. Both claim that liberal policies to help black Americans have not just failed, but have become the main reason for nearly all their problems: unemployment, low income, family disorganization, violence, incarceration, the educational gap. Both attribute the scourge of liberal policies to white guilt; both condemn affirmative action for doing great harm to blacks and whites; both claim that blacks have been encouraged to develop a crippling mentality of victimhood and entitlement and an abandonment of the American creed of individualism and personal responsibility, leading to a culture of dependency. Both, therefore, insist that the best thing that whites, and the American government, could do for black Americans is to leave them alone to solve their own problems, and that the best strategy for black Americans is to assume “total responsibility for their future” through personal and collective transformation.
< http://www.nytimes.com/2015...ml?_r=0 >
Every failed liberal social policy that ever was started out with the best intentions, fueled by some level of white guilt. Worse than getting us nowhere, these policies have actually made things worse. Maybe a Trump Presidency is what's needed yo wake us up to how nonsensical all that was. Because this continuing culture of victimhood isn't helping anybody.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2016,8:10 am
^^ for what it's worth
Posted by alcitizens on May 05 2016,3:59 pm
(Botto 82 @ May 05 2016,7:13 am)
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Never once did anyone writing this drivel suggest for a moment that the fault might lie within the affected cultures themselves, because we've become absolute cowards when it comes to having an open and honest dialogue about race.
People forget that blacks gained slim to no freedom only 150 years ago after 250 years of slavery in the U.S.. Most of them stayed in the states that bought and sold them like they were tools.. Those states remained the poorest states with nearly no educational system for both blacks and whites for over a hundred years after the civil war.. The only knowledge blacks had was handed down to them from 250 years of slavery.. Their culture was based on survival and the knowledge that they were no more than a tool that was expendable when they could no longer produce for white people.. We still see that culture being handed down in different forms to new generations of blacks..
The south was purposely punished for their involvement in starting the civil war by being neglected by the federal government.. Southern blacks continued to suffer long after the war ended..
Blacks didn't truly become free until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that allowed them to vote for the first time.. Many of them still didn't believe that they had the same rights as whites..
It takes a long time and a good educational system to change an established culture.. The change has only begun..
Posted by Botto 82 on May 05 2016,4:21 pm
The problem with that thinking is that black culture started to go to Hell in the liberal north cities, and not in the Jim Crow south, as many people tend to believe.QUOTE
“High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote [William] Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.
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Posted by alcitizens on May 05 2016,5:56 pm
(Botto 82 @ May 05 2016,4:21 pm)
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The problem with that thinking is that black culture started to go to Hell in the liberal north cities, and not in the Jim Crow south, as many people tend to believe.
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“High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote [William] Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.
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Come on Botto, you know the Washington Times needs to be taken like a grain of salt.. They're in the same league as (UFO) Mufon Journal..
< http://www.mufon.com/e-journal.html >
Give me a credible link
Posted by alcitizens on May 05 2016,6:48 pm
Ten Most Dangerous States< https://www.yahoo.com/news...77.html >
Posted by stardust14 on May 10 2016,4:25 am
ALDF still feeding porno troll.Tried getting on this echo chamber. Too much traffic
Just the alzheimer bar stool boys left.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2016,5:20 am
^^ Twink! You're back! So what kind of mindless butthurt drivel are you spewing today?
Posted by Expatriate on May 10 2016,5:48 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2016,4:14 pm
< http://youtu.be/GUe-2Wu3HUE >
Posted by Expatriate on May 11 2016,5:28 am
another Bern...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 11 2016,5:43 am
^^yep, a net gain of 5, what's stroke lady need to clinch the nomination, 140? Looks like it's hers.Then, indictment
Posted by Botto 82 on May 11 2016,6:52 am
Hold your nose and vote, 2016 edition...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 11 2016,7:19 am
^^ pretty much
Posted by Self-Banished on May 15 2016,6:18 pm
It appears civility at the Nevada convention was out the door, true dem behavior, not winning? Throw some sh!t< http://www.cnn.com/2016...ex.html >
True color shows through
Posted by Expatriate on May 16 2016,6:47 am
It's called democracy Dumbo,...the Hills are gonna Bern in Philly... Posted by Self-Banished on May 16 2016,8:20 am
^^ yep, three vids of a monkey sh!t fight getting ready to happen
Posted by Self-Banished on May 16 2016,9:58 am
Yep, socialism's the way to go! < http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016...r=https >
< http://m.jamaicaobserver.com/mobile...-crisis >
It just gets better
< http://hotair.com/archive...so-well >
Posted by Expatriate on May 16 2016,4:33 pm
^You could use some free college...idgit..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 17 2016,5:43 am
(Expatriate @ May 16 2016,4:33 pm)
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^You could use some free college...idgit..
There's no such thing s free college, someone has to pay. That's the problem with idiots like you, your entitlement attitude. You think just because you exist you're owed a living, shelter and even education.
What you're owed is Jack-sh!t. If you want more, go out and earn it, start a business, get a better paying job, ask for a raise, if you work hard you might get one.
I know you're retired but damn, you don't seem happy. I see Wal Mart is hiring greeters again, a good job for a person of your intellect.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 17 2016,6:45 am
So typical of Dems
Posted by Botto 82 on May 17 2016,9:21 am
^Phaack. Yep. "You don't know any better. Let me do it for you."
Posted by Expatriate on May 18 2016,6:09 am
Bernie wins the Oregon Primary, Kentucky is a tie 27/27...
Posted by Self-Banished on May 18 2016,7:45 am
^^ I'm gonna miss this when's it's over, it's like having a big-ass magnifying glass and an ant hill.
Posted by Expatriate on May 29 2016,7:23 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 05 2016,6:32 am
What a POS! Takes advantage of the death of Ali for his own gain.< https://youtu.be/_nedK3u6sns >
Is there any wonder as to why this doorknob won't win
< https://youtu.be/vqC_YDloG-k >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 08 2016,8:01 am
So Stroke lady's the nominee, and Batsh!t's not gonna quit, in fact the last few days he's been picking on some of the chinks in her armor. God bless you Bernie, rip her up.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 09 2016,9:13 am
Batsh!t meets with Buster today so Buster can lay down the law and tell Batsh!t to "knock it off" with exsposing Stroke lady's many faults.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 08 2016,7:12 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 08 2016,8:32 am
^^ Batsh!t I thought we were done with this thread
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 10 2016,11:11 am
Well how about that, ol' Batsh!t went out and bought a third house, a summer home on a lake worth 600K.So is he going to share that with the homeless??
Yep, truly one of the 1%
< http://thehill.com/blogs...r-home# >
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2016,4:21 am
< https://youtu.be/hU4I6C-9JZw >You should get in on this Expat, get some money back, quit eating cat food
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2016,3:22 pm
Go Bernie..
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2016,4:39 pm
^^< http://www.negeriatrics.com/blog/facts-about-dementia-and-the-elderly >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2016,5:17 pm
Sounds about rightBernie
In an email chain from December 2015, Podesta messaged Neera Tanden, president and CEO of the Center for American Progress, regarding the Paris Climate Conference and referred to Bernie Sanders as a “doofus" for attacking the deal.
From a Podesta email
< https://www.rt.com/usa/363160-wikileaks-podesta-emails-clinton/ >
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 19 2016,5:25 pm
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2016,8:29 pm
^^yep, he's a doofus.