Topic: and now Paul
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,11:54 am
I sitting waiting for a train and listening to Rand Paul's speech announcing his candidacy.Pretty good speaker
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 07 2015,12:16 pm
The libbies will say he's a kook, and that Stroke Lady is a far better choice. 
Mark my words...
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 07 2015,1:11 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 07 2015,11:54 am)
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Pretty good speaker
Obama is a pretty good speaker too...
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 07 2015,1:36 pm
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 07 2015,12:16 pm)
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The libbies will say he's a kook, and that Stroke Lady is a far better choice.
Mark my words...
Mark my words...
Dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. Congratulations, considering you have people like Santeria and the Breeze competing with you.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,1:51 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 07 2015,1:36 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Apr. 07 2015,12:16 pm)
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The libbies will say he's a kook, and that Stroke Lady is a far better choice.
Mark my words...
Mark my words...
Dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. Congratulations, considering you have people like Santeria and the Breeze competing with you.
You're offended Botto called her "stroke lady"?
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 07 2015,2:28 pm
I don't care if he calls her stroke lady. It's just more proof that his self proclaimed superior intelligence is just delusions of grandeur. The really ignorant thing is to suggest that anyone that thinks Rand Paul isn't a better candidate than Clinton is crazy.
I'd guess Rand Paul will be one of the first to drop out of primary. He may make a good showing in Iowa and Kentucky but the rest of the country that isn't inbred will think he's a bigger joke than Rafael Cruz.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,2:46 pm
^^ so what you'd like is to see the Republicans settle down and nominate Jeb Bush 
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 07 2015,3:17 pm
< View on YouTube >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,4:53 pm
^^well I was going to watch it but that Bill guy came on and I won't watch him 
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 07 2015,5:19 pm
^^That's because you're a rightwing bigot, Maher didn't really dog the guy.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2015,5:39 pm
I still think Republicans need a woman to run against Hillary.. Foxx would be interesting..
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 07 2015,6:00 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 07 2015,1:36 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Apr. 07 2015,12:16 pm)
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The libbies will say he's a kook, and that Stroke Lady is a far better choice.
Mark my words...
Mark my words...
Dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. Congratulations, considering you have people like Santeria and the Breeze competing with you.
Wow. Hyperbole much? Have a grown-up help you with that word, if need be.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 07 2015,6:04 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 07 2015,2:28 pm)
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The really ignorant thing is to suggest that anyone that thinks Rand Paul isn't a better candidate than Clinton is crazy.
Yes, stick with the devil you know, as that's worked out so well in the past.
You really don't put much thought into that whole voting thing, do you?
Just fill in all the dots next to the candidates with a "D" next to their names.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,6:42 pm
.???
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,6:45 pm
(Expatriate @ Apr. 07 2015,5:19 pm)
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^^That's because you're a rightwing bigot, Maher didn't really dog the guy.
As opposed an uneducated Union dullard such as yourself?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2015,6:50 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 07 2015,5:39 pm)
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I still think Republicans need a woman to run against Hillary.. Foxx would be interesting..
At least she'd be younger.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 07 2015,10:13 pm
What part do you think was hyperbolic? The one where you called a person that hit their head stroke lady?Just for future reference, if you have to tell people how intelligent you are then you're really not.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2015,2:43 am
^^Why'd she fall? 
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 08 2015,5:23 am
Rand Paul is one of the 47 to signed the letter to Iran, jeopardizing multinational negotiations on Iran's nuclear capacity. Any Politician so polarized to jeopardize nuclear inspection negotiations solely to attempt politicize and embarrass the President of United States show his true priority!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2015,6:12 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 08 2015,5:23 am)
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Rand Paul is one of the 47 to signed the letter to Iran, jeopardizing multinational negotiations on Iran's nuclear capacity. Any Politician so polarized to jeopardize nuclear inspection negotiations solely to attempt politicize and embarrass the President of United States show his true priority!
So you think Buster' wrong?
Imagine that, the atomotron betrays his master
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 08 2015,6:20 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 08 2015,6:12 am)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 08 2015,5:23 am)
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Rand Paul is one of the 47 to signed the letter to Iran, jeopardizing multinational negotiations on Iran's nuclear capacity. Any Politician so polarized to jeopardize nuclear inspection negotiations solely to attempt politicize and embarrass the President of United States shows his true priority!
So you think Buster' wrong?
Imagine that, the atomotron betrays his master
you're a true ignoramus!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2015,8:05 am
^...and your opinion means so much to me
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 08 2015,10:36 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 08 2015,5:23 am)
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Rand Paul is one of the 47 to signed the letter to Iran, jeopardizing multinational negotiations on Iran's nuclear capacity. Any Politician so polarized to jeopardize nuclear inspection negotiations solely to attempt politicize and embarrass the President of United States show his true priority!
So using a personal server from home when you're the secretary of state wouldn't jeopardize national security?
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 08 2015,11:25 am
I love how the kooks that know nothing about computers tell us how dangerous a homebrew mail server would be. Do you think Hillary should have used a local ISP or maybe a gmail or yahoo account?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 08 2015,12:08 pm
face like a bulldogs ass quote:QUOTE
So using a personal server from home when you're the secretary of state wouldn't jeopardize national security?
No but using your employer's server to write propaganda while
you are supposed to working could get you fired!
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 08 2015,12:14 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2015,12:33 pm
(Expatriate @ Apr. 08 2015,12:08 pm)
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face like a bulldogs ass quote:
No but using your employer's server to write propaganda while
you are supposed to working could get you fired!
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So using a personal server from home when you're the secretary of state wouldn't jeopardize national security?
No but using your employer's server to write propaganda while
you are supposed to working could get you fired!
You mean like you're doing???😜
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 08 2015,3:52 pm
CNN propaganda:QUOTE
< Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever' >
(CNN)—Overlooked in the controversy over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, is the fact that suspected Russian hackers have bedeviled State Department's email system for much of the past year and continue to pose problems for technicians trying to eradicate the intrusion.
Federal law enforcement, intelligence and congressional officials briefed on the investigation say the hack of the State email system is the "worst ever" cyberattack intrusion against a federal agency. The attackers who breached State are also believed to be behind hacks on the White House's email system, and against several other federal agencies, the officials say.
The issue is relevant because one criticism of the Clinton private email use is that it was likely less secure than emailing within the State Department's system. But the hack shows that State's system has major security issues. The State system, investigators believe, was compromised in the past year, likely after Clinton left the State Department.
(CNN)—Overlooked in the controversy over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, is the fact that suspected Russian hackers have bedeviled State Department's email system for much of the past year and continue to pose problems for technicians trying to eradicate the intrusion.
Federal law enforcement, intelligence and congressional officials briefed on the investigation say the hack of the State email system is the "worst ever" cyberattack intrusion against a federal agency. The attackers who breached State are also believed to be behind hacks on the White House's email system, and against several other federal agencies, the officials say.
The issue is relevant because one criticism of the Clinton private email use is that it was likely less secure than emailing within the State Department's system. But the hack shows that State's system has major security issues. The State system, investigators believe, was compromised in the past year, likely after Clinton left the State Department.
Maybe it would have been safer with a gmail or yahoo account.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 08 2015,5:31 pm
Or a homebrew server?
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 08 2015,7:42 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 08 2015,11:25 am)
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I love how the kooks that know nothing about computers tell us how dangerous a homebrew mail server would be. Do you think Hillary should have used a local ISP or maybe a gmail or yahoo account?
I love how the party faithful will defend the crook du jour to their dying breath. She has a big, fat "D" after her name on the ballot, so you can just about figure who's aboard, without a second glance...
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 08 2015,10:30 pm
Seriously, what gave me away? Was it my proud long term support of Democrats. Or was it something else?I'm a liberal that isn't stupid enough to believe that good is the enemy of great. So knowing I can't get a true liberal president elected I vote for candidate that most closely aligns with my liberal views.
You on the other hand are the first person I've ever met that proves the saying "If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything". So I guess your cynical views combined with your belief in every conspiracy theory you've ever heard is nothing new.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 09 2015,11:56 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 08 2015,10:30 pm)
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So knowing I can't get a true liberal president elected I vote for candidate that most closely aligns with my liberal views.
And that will end up being Hillary, a neo-conservative crook. Way to stick it to the Republicans.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 09 2015,4:43 pm
Democrats are smart enough to stand united for change instead of dividing our party between the extremes. If you see that as a bad thing then you obviously don't understand our type of government.Instead of reading your crazy ass conspiracy sites take the time to read the greatest political sermon ever given. It's called A Short Treatise on Political Power, and of the true obedience which subjects our to kings and other civil governors, with an Exhortation to all true and natural English men.
< http://www.constitution.org/cmt/ponet/polpower.htm >
You can probably tell that Ponet has a long way of saying things but it's worth reading. When your done reading it tell me what good it does to waste your vote on a third party because the current candidate isn't great. Every election you take that one little bit of political power you have to change the way things are and you piss it away.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 09 2015,8:24 pm
And here's some light reading for you:QUOTE
After millions of dollars were pledged by the oil company to the Clinton Foundation Hillary changed her position on U.S.-Colombia trade pact.
By Nick Sorrentino on April 9, 2015
Seriously Democrats is Hillary Clinton really going to be your nominee? So she’s taken millions of dollars from the head of an oil company which has strong connections to the Colombian military, which also just happened to “round up” the striking workers of Pacific Rubiales, the company in question.
I mean, I get that she is a woman, and that she has name recognition, and that she has long been the presumed nominee. But guys, I may not agree with you on most things but this is an integrity thing. At least don’t throw in with someone who many of my friends on the “Left” would probably call a union busting, fossil fuels promoting, political profiteer if she wasn’t named Hillary Clinton. At least stand for something lefties – other than cronyism.
So tell me, are the UAW, the AFL-CIO, and the USW going to support a candidate for president who has taken millions and millions of dollars from a company (and its CEO) which has a history of busting unions at the point of a rifle?
Are they?
(From The International Business Times)
At the same time that Clinton’s State Department was lauding Colombia’s human rights record, her family was forging a financial relationship with Pacific Rubiales, the sprawling Canadian petroleum company at the center of Colombia’s labor strife. The Clintons were also developing commercial ties with the oil giant’s founder, Canadian financier Frank Giustra, who now occupies a seat on the board of the Clinton Foundation, the family’s global philanthropic empire.
The details of these financial dealings remain murky, but this much is clear: After millions of dollars were pledged by the oil company to the Clinton Foundation — supplemented by millions more from Giustra himself — Secretary Clinton abruptly changed her position on the controversial U.S.-Colombia trade pact. Having opposed the deal as a bad one for labor rights back when she was a presidential candidate in 2008, she now promoted it, calling it “strongly in the interests of both Colombia and the United States.” The change of heart by Clinton and other Democratic leaders enabled congressional passage of a Colombia trade deal that experts say delivered big benefits to foreign investors like Giustra.
By Nick Sorrentino on April 9, 2015
Seriously Democrats is Hillary Clinton really going to be your nominee? So she’s taken millions of dollars from the head of an oil company which has strong connections to the Colombian military, which also just happened to “round up” the striking workers of Pacific Rubiales, the company in question.
I mean, I get that she is a woman, and that she has name recognition, and that she has long been the presumed nominee. But guys, I may not agree with you on most things but this is an integrity thing. At least don’t throw in with someone who many of my friends on the “Left” would probably call a union busting, fossil fuels promoting, political profiteer if she wasn’t named Hillary Clinton. At least stand for something lefties – other than cronyism.
So tell me, are the UAW, the AFL-CIO, and the USW going to support a candidate for president who has taken millions and millions of dollars from a company (and its CEO) which has a history of busting unions at the point of a rifle?
Are they?
(From The International Business Times)
At the same time that Clinton’s State Department was lauding Colombia’s human rights record, her family was forging a financial relationship with Pacific Rubiales, the sprawling Canadian petroleum company at the center of Colombia’s labor strife. The Clintons were also developing commercial ties with the oil giant’s founder, Canadian financier Frank Giustra, who now occupies a seat on the board of the Clinton Foundation, the family’s global philanthropic empire.
The details of these financial dealings remain murky, but this much is clear: After millions of dollars were pledged by the oil company to the Clinton Foundation — supplemented by millions more from Giustra himself — Secretary Clinton abruptly changed her position on the controversial U.S.-Colombia trade pact. Having opposed the deal as a bad one for labor rights back when she was a presidential candidate in 2008, she now promoted it, calling it “strongly in the interests of both Colombia and the United States.” The change of heart by Clinton and other Democratic leaders enabled congressional passage of a Colombia trade deal that experts say delivered big benefits to foreign investors like Giustra.
< Sorrento article >
< IBT article >
So tell me again: What makes her a Democrat?
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 09 2015,10:50 pm
What do you suggest she do about Labor Violations in countries around the world? She's a conservative progressive like myself.. The majority of the clowns are located on the other side of reality, kinda like yourself..
Posted by stardust14 on Apr. 10 2015,2:07 am
Politics.It's kinda like playing the arcade games at the FC Fair---over-priced, you know it's rigged, some cheesy scam guy in charge, high admittance fee to even enter the arena.
The political ducks are lined up once more, all with the same streak running down their plastic backbone---yellow. The public enters the arena to play political games not because of the same old useless prizes offered. It's entertainment whacking down the ducks, greasy unhealthy food, a portal to a world of make-believe...all compliments of the business community and media. Last duck standing is our leader. So long as we have places like Yemen, etc as comparisons we then can rationalize our folly.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 10 2015,6:44 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 09 2015,10:50 pm)
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She's a conservative progressive like myself..
Aaand the Oxymoron of the Day Award goes to...
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am
Back to Rand Paul he’s no Ron.issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 10 2015,7:12 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am)
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issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
This from a member of the socialist labor party.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 10 2015,7:25 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am)
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Back to Rand Paul he’s no Ron.
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
Not a good way to start a campaign, messing with Social Security. Wall Street's track record does not exactly imbue us with a lot of trust, does it? I don't think people want their retirement monies in the hands of the credit default swap crowd.
I can't recall a more disappointing field of candidates...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 10 2015,8:46 am
^^1976?
1988?
1992?
1996?
2000?
2004?
2008?
2012?
That's sayin' a lot Botto
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 12 2015,6:02 am
Rand Paul on issues:• Does not support stimulus spending during economic downturns
• Supports privatizing elements of Social Security
• Supports raising the retirement age
• Opposes bank bailouts
• Supports cutting corporate taxes
• Supports flat federal tax
• Does not support federal regulation of education
• Supports school choice
• Opposes affirmative action
• Does not support environmental regulations aimed at affecting climate change
• Does not support cap-and-trade programs to reduce greenhouse gases
• Opposes government-run health care and the Affordable Care Act (known as "Obamacare")
• Pro-life
• Believes states should be the ones to decide on same-sex marriage, not federal government
• Supports community drug treatment over federal enforcement of drug laws
• Supports medicinal marijuana
• Supports excluding industrial hemp from drug laws
• Supports 2nd Amendment rights
• Opposes limits on magazine size
• Wants more transparency of NSA surveillance
• Supports trials for Guantanamo detainees
• Supports cutting defense spending
• Opposes the Patriot Act
• Supports legal status, but not citizenship, for illegal/undocumented immigrants
• Opposes U.S. involvement in Syria
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 12 2015,6:44 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 12 2015,6:02 am)
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Rand Paul on issues:
• Does not support stimulus spending during economic downturns
• Supports privatizing elements of Social Security
• Supports raising the retirement age
• Opposes bank bailouts
• Supports cutting corporate taxes
• Supports flat federal tax
• Does not support federal regulation of education
• Supports school choice
• Opposes affirmative action
• Does not support environmental regulations aimed at affecting climate change
• Does not support cap-and-trade programs to reduce greenhouse gases
• Opposes government-run health care and the Affordable Care Act (known as "Obamacare")
• Pro-life
• Believes states should be the ones to decide on same-sex marriage, not federal government
• Supports community drug treatment over federal enforcement of drug laws
• Supports medicinal marijuana
• Supports excluding industrial hemp from drug laws
• Supports 2nd Amendment rights
• Opposes limits on magazine size
• Wants more transparency of NSA surveillance
• Supports trials for Guantanamo detainees
• Supports cutting defense spending
• Opposes the Patriot Act
• Supports legal status, but not citizenship, for illegal/undocumented immigrants
• Opposes U.S. involvement in Syria
• Does not support stimulus spending during economic downturns
• Supports privatizing elements of Social Security
• Supports raising the retirement age
• Opposes bank bailouts
• Supports cutting corporate taxes
• Supports flat federal tax
• Does not support federal regulation of education
• Supports school choice
• Opposes affirmative action
• Does not support environmental regulations aimed at affecting climate change
• Does not support cap-and-trade programs to reduce greenhouse gases
• Opposes government-run health care and the Affordable Care Act (known as "Obamacare")
• Pro-life
• Believes states should be the ones to decide on same-sex marriage, not federal government
• Supports community drug treatment over federal enforcement of drug laws
• Supports medicinal marijuana
• Supports excluding industrial hemp from drug laws
• Supports 2nd Amendment rights
• Opposes limits on magazine size
• Wants more transparency of NSA surveillance
• Supports trials for Guantanamo detainees
• Supports cutting defense spending
• Opposes the Patriot Act
• Supports legal status, but not citizenship, for illegal/undocumented immigrants
• Opposes U.S. involvement in Syria
Except for one or two of these I see no problem, in fact I like most of them
Two things,
What's your problem with the 2nd amendment you communist-socialist pig
I notice you're up early on this fine Sunday morning, Saturday night corn hole league let out early?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 12 2015,6:59 am
I have no problem with the second amendment.I wish we could vote on the issues not the person or party.
Say to our appointed bureaucrat these are the issues we want
addressed, now you implement them.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 13 2015,1:22 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 12 2015,6:59 am)
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Say to our appointed bureaucrat these are the issues we want addressed, now you implement them.
Aww, isn't that cute?
You want the system to work the way it proclaims to, and is supposed to.
Get behind the guys with the truckloads of cash, and get comfy, while you're at it. You're going to be waiting for a while...
Posted by Marneman on Apr. 13 2015,4:26 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 12 2015,6:02 am)
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Rand Paul on issues:
• Does not support stimulus spending during economic downturns
• Supports privatizing elements of Social Security
• Supports raising the retirement age
• Opposes bank bailouts
• Supports cutting corporate taxes
• Supports flat federal tax
• Does not support federal regulation of education
• Supports school choice
• Opposes affirmative action
• Does not support environmental regulations aimed at affecting climate change
• Does not support cap-and-trade programs to reduce greenhouse gases
• Opposes government-run health care and the Affordable Care Act (known as "Obamacare")
• Pro-life
• Believes states should be the ones to decide on same-sex marriage, not federal government
• Supports community drug treatment over federal enforcement of drug laws
• Supports medicinal marijuana
• Supports excluding industrial hemp from drug laws
• Supports 2nd Amendment rights
• Opposes limits on magazine size
• Wants more transparency of NSA surveillance
• Supports trials for Guantanamo detainees
• Supports cutting defense spending
• Opposes the Patriot Act
• Supports legal status, but not citizenship, for illegal/undocumented immigrants
• Opposes U.S. involvement in Syria
• Does not support stimulus spending during economic downturns
• Supports privatizing elements of Social Security
• Supports raising the retirement age
• Opposes bank bailouts
• Supports cutting corporate taxes
• Supports flat federal tax
• Does not support federal regulation of education
• Supports school choice
• Opposes affirmative action
• Does not support environmental regulations aimed at affecting climate change
• Does not support cap-and-trade programs to reduce greenhouse gases
• Opposes government-run health care and the Affordable Care Act (known as "Obamacare")
• Pro-life
• Believes states should be the ones to decide on same-sex marriage, not federal government
• Supports community drug treatment over federal enforcement of drug laws
• Supports medicinal marijuana
• Supports excluding industrial hemp from drug laws
• Supports 2nd Amendment rights
• Opposes limits on magazine size
• Wants more transparency of NSA surveillance
• Supports trials for Guantanamo detainees
• Supports cutting defense spending
• Opposes the Patriot Act
• Supports legal status, but not citizenship, for illegal/undocumented immigrants
• Opposes U.S. involvement in Syria
Like SB I have to admit I like what I see, but don't agree with everything he supports.
At least his views are closer to what I want for our country than Mrs. Clintons!
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 13 2015,7:17 am
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 13 2015,1:22 am)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 12 2015,6:59 am)
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Say to our appointed bureaucrat these are the issues we want addressed, now you implement them.
Aww, isn't that cute?
You want the system to work the way it proclaims to, and is supposed to.
Get behind the guys with the truckloads of cash, and get comfy, while you're at it. You're going to be waiting for a while...
In ancient Athens, every adult male citizen could attend every meeting of the assembly and did have a direct vote on almost every issue. That was not representative democracy, it was true democracy.
What we have is representative democracy, but I don’t feel it’s representative at all, my congressman doesn't know me, I may have the ability to write him/her but the big money people have direct access and influence on issues.
Back in 1776 it may have been a necessity to install such a republic as we live under, time and distance would have made it a necessity for expediency. In today’s electronic world the need for representative government is questionable.
I don’t really believe it would function any better than what we have, we’d be barraged with political policy commercials year around, Fox news and AM propagandist would sway the weak minded with their lies, but big money could no longer buy our representatives outright.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 13 2015,8:20 am
^^ and ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS propaganda.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 13 2015,8:25 am
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 10 2015,7:25 am)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am)
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Back to Rand Paul he’s no Ron.
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
Not a good way to start a campaign, messing with Social Security. Wall Street's track record does not exactly imbue us with a lot of trust, does it? I don't think people want their retirement monies in the hands of the credit default swap crowd.
I can't recall a more disappointing field of candidates...
My only retort to this would be that gov't does not exactly have a better track record of managing money either. So do you trust your money to a bunch of self serving elected ass hats, or the self serving wall street hacks? Personally, I guess I'd rather have the money in my hands and let me decide.
As for your last statement. I couldn't agree more...
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 14 2015,6:04 am
(Glad I Left @ Apr. 13 2015,8:25 am)
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(Botto 82 @ Apr. 10 2015,7:25 am)
QUOTE
(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am)
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Back to Rand Paul he’s no Ron.
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
Not a good way to start a campaign, messing with Social Security. Wall Street's track record does not exactly imbue us with a lot of trust, does it? I don't think people want their retirement monies in the hands of the credit default swap crowd.
I can't recall a more disappointing field of candidates...
My only retort to this would be that gov't does not exactly have a better track record of managing money either. So do you trust your money to a bunch of self serving elected ass hats, or the self serving wall street hacks? Personally, I guess I'd rather have the money in my hands and let me decide.
As for your last statement. I couldn't agree more...
You may be one of the few who could manage his money and save for retirement, but let’s not be delusional, how many of your coworkers do you know that live pay check to pay check? If they were given choice to opt out of Social Security they’d jump at it, and still live pay check to pay check without saving a cent for retirement.
We don’t have to go back may years to time before Social Security, when the elderly could no longer work they were quickly impoverished, dependent on children for survival and a few sparse government programs.
American’s for the most part are financially irresponsible!
The rightwing darling Ayn Rand, spent her life spouting individualism, Laissez-faire Government, saying she could manage her money and life! As she reached retirement age she quickly enrolled in both Social Security and Medicare, After a life of sucking on cigarettes she ended up with lung cancer.
This woman sold millions of copies of her rightwing dribble!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2015,6:49 am
...and if one is forced to contribute into a system don't you think one should at least get some of their money back? Or do you think they should just leave "money on the table"?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 14 2015,7:21 am
^^^Money Back? You get your money back in the form of a defined benefit retirement program anda insurance policy to support your wife and minor children should you die before you reach retirement.
You also get a disability clause should you become permanently injured or sick unable to work!
If people had an option not to participate most would opt to take the money, would prognosticate on retirement saving in lieu of that new automobile, larger homes, exotic vacations, lifestyles beyond their means.
Of those that did bother to invest many would be lured by a high rate of return which also have high risk. On the open market there’s no guarantee, the only people that make money for sure is the brokerage houses. You could win, lose or draw, you can do all that outside the Social Security Program.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2015,8:18 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 14 2015,7:21 am)
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^^^Money Back? You get your money back in the form of a defined benefit retirement program and
a insurance policy to support your wife and minor children should you die before you reach retirement.
You also get a disability clause should you become permanently injured or sick unable to work!
If people had an option not to participate most would opt to take the money, would prognosticate on retirement saving in lieu of that new automobile, larger homes, exotic vacations, lifestyles beyond their means.
Of those that did bother to invest many would be lured by a high rate of return which also have high risk. On the open market there’s no guarantee, the only people that make money for sure is the brokerage houses. You could win, lose or draw, you can do all that outside the Social Security Program.
a insurance policy to support your wife and minor children should you die before you reach retirement.
You also get a disability clause should you become permanently injured or sick unable to work!
If people had an option not to participate most would opt to take the money, would prognosticate on retirement saving in lieu of that new automobile, larger homes, exotic vacations, lifestyles beyond their means.
Of those that did bother to invest many would be lured by a high rate of return which also have high risk. On the open market there’s no guarantee, the only people that make money for sure is the brokerage houses. You could win, lose or draw, you can do all that outside the Social Security Program.
Defined retirement benefit my ass. My kids are of age, my wife would get basically nothing when I die.
I carry disability ins, life insurance and have put my own money away for my retirement and if I should cack before I could collect my retirement my heirs would receive the windfall. Can we say this of SS?nope.
Other people not planning is not my problem nor should it be but the gov. Seems to think otherwise.
Onc again you show your true socialist tendencies.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 14 2015,8:46 am
You continue to show your lack of compassion and understanding of human nature. You live in a world of you. How is it in there? If you ever needed a helping hand, would you just say "hit the road Jack, I got this." I hope your world never hits a bump.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2015,10:34 am
^^many bumps over the years, some where people thought I'd never regain my footing. One just needs to reach deep.I really get sick of paying for other people's stupidity.
Are you familiar with the term "enabler"?
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 14 2015,10:42 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 14 2015,6:04 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Apr. 13 2015,8:25 am)
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(Botto 82 @ Apr. 10 2015,7:25 am)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 10 2015,7:04 am)
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Back to Rand Paul he’s no Ron.
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
issue: Social Security: he’s a typical Republican on this important issue, he wants raise the retirement age, allow opting out, this guy has called Social Security a Ponzi scheme!
Social Security is one of the most important programs (our) Government ever put in play, it’s the equivalent of a defined benefit retirement program plus an insurance policy should anything happen to you on your way to retirement.
To replace this valuable program with a 401k type retirement is foolish we’d be cannon fodder for Wall Street sharks, that’s just plain stupid, countless millions of seniors will end up broke and truly overload taxpayer financed safety nets while wall street fat cats prosper.
This is just one of the reasons I’m a conservative Democrat!
Not a good way to start a campaign, messing with Social Security. Wall Street's track record does not exactly imbue us with a lot of trust, does it? I don't think people want their retirement monies in the hands of the credit default swap crowd.
I can't recall a more disappointing field of candidates...
My only retort to this would be that gov't does not exactly have a better track record of managing money either. So do you trust your money to a bunch of self serving elected ass hats, or the self serving wall street hacks? Personally, I guess I'd rather have the money in my hands and let me decide.
As for your last statement. I couldn't agree more...
You may be one of the few who could manage his money and save for retirement, but let’s not be delusional, how many of your coworkers do you know that live pay check to pay check? If they were given choice to opt out of Social Security they’d jump at it, and still live pay check to pay check without saving a cent for retirement.
We don’t have to go back may years to time before Social Security, when the elderly could no longer work they were quickly impoverished, dependent on children for survival and a few sparse government programs.
American’s for the most part are financially irresponsible!
The rightwing darling Ayn Rand, spent her life spouting individualism, Laissez-faire Government, saying she could manage her money and life! As she reached retirement age she quickly enrolled in both Social Security and Medicare, After a life of sucking on cigarettes she ended up with lung cancer.
This woman sold millions of copies of her rightwing dribble!
True, and as such I think they need to start teaching basic home budgeting in school, and even investing should be an option at least.
I know my oldest boy who's a sophomore doesn't have these options in school. I try my best to teach all 3 of my kids the value of money, the cost of interest, and the benefits of compound interest over time. The real cost of taking a loan/mortgage, etc...
Hopefully someday it will sink in.
As for my coworkers, how they spend and invest their money is none of my business. I don't expect them to fund my retirement nor should they expect me to fund theirs. If they pay into a system (whether it be SS or a 401k) then they are entitled to draw from that. To be forced to pay into a system, in my opinion goes against the American spirit that set us apart from our European counterparts.
To be clear, I am not against a system to be in place, I am just against forced participation in any said system.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 14 2015,1:23 pm
You’d be forced to pay for safety net costs to support these folks who can’t manage money once they reach retirement ageor become disabled. It’s far better we all pay into Social Security now or we’d wind up with millions starving on the streets.
Any Presidential candidate with positions on dismantling Social Security must never be elected!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2015,1:38 pm
^^^Again, this from a POS socialist😜
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 14 2015,6:00 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 14 2015,7:15 pm
Much better than that subversive party you follow
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,5:32 am
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 15 2015,8:00 am
Expat,I will post this for a long time.. Most likely 50-100 times.. It says it all..
Thanks
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,8:14 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 15 2015,8:00 am)
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Expat,
I will post this for a long time.. Most likely 50-100 times.. It says it all..
Thanks
I will post this for a long time.. Most likely 50-100 times.. It says it all..
Thanks
Which one of you two is Dumb and which one is Dumber?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,8:21 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2015,8:14 am)
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Which one of you two is Dumb me which one is Dumber?
yeah, you really showed us who's the dummy with that statement!
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 15 2015,8:48 am
LOL expat... nice!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,10:27 am
Oops, fat finger, all fixed.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 15 2015,11:30 am
sorry SB.. damage has been done 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,11:51 am
(Glad I Left @ Apr. 15 2015,11:30 am)
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sorry SB.. damage has been done
Yeah, I know but don't tell Expat, he's dumb as a post.
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 15 2015,2:12 pm
Well it's a good thing you can laugh at yourself...... and if you can't just remember...
...I'll do it for you
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,5:40 pm
^^i appreciate that
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,6:35 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,6:51 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,6:56 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,8:27 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 20 2015,6:56 am)
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So when you vote, is it like work? You flip a switch and a little "treat" comes out of a chute?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,2:07 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,2:23 pm
^^i'm curious, what's with this picture?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,2:37 pm
1701 Pierce Butler Route St. Paul, MN. ring a bell Dumbo.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,2:50 pm
Yep, main BN, from where the picture is taken is lot #4, up by the first light pole there is lot#3. The building you see to your right is the packer maintenance shop, the bridge you see in the far distance is Snelling Ave. the track you see to the left is 2 track and just the other side of those tracks is midway stadium where the Saints play.Kinda funny, about where whoever took that pic is where I got chased down by a railroad rent a cop over 30 years ago on my dirt bike
So what's with the pic?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,3:01 pm
If you want I came give you longitude and latitude
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,6:55 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 25 2015,3:59 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2015,5:56 pm
^^you post like you're worried.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 26 2015,6:29 am
^Just wondering which turd you guys will pull out next!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2015,7:25 am
Yep, the repub's are not sporting anything real special but the Dems with stroke lady? It might end up looking like 2012 again.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 27 2015,6:41 am
Go to work gearjammer
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2015,8:08 am
So we've taken to stalking??
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 27 2015,9:55 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 26 2015,6:29 am)
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^Just wondering which turd you guys will pull out next!
That pile would have been more recognizable if it were wearing a pant suit.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2015,7:41 pm
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXbM-o76TM >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2015,6:41 am
George Gobel ?? roll up the window the diesel has addled your brain!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2015,7:37 am
^^ at least I have one😜
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2015,6:04 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2015,6:09 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,6:14 am
^^maybe you should burn and loot in AL so he won't stop there.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2015,6:38 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2015,8:08 am
^^
Posted by Expatriate on May 03 2015,7:15 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2015,4:30 am
^^what's wrong? Was you're EBT. Card short last month?I agree, we should drastically reduce this on both sides.
Posted by MADDOG on May 04 2015,8:53 am
Say...I can see that expat has discovered we're paying way too much on two welfare programs.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 04 2015,2:00 pm
^ Ha! The only truth about welfare is that it has done nothing for the poor but give liberals job security.
Posted by alcitizens on May 04 2015,2:07 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 04 2015,2:00 pm)
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^ Ha!
The only truth about welfare is that it has done nothing for the poor but give liberals job security.
The only truth about welfare is that it has done nothing for the poor but give liberals job security.
Let me ask you this..
What would be the cost of having millions of starving poor people in the U.S.?
Posted by Common Citizen on May 04 2015,2:42 pm
If you don't believe we already have starving and malnourished people in this country despite the billions spent on welfare programs year after year, you're nuts.
Posted by alcitizens on May 04 2015,4:14 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 04 2015,2:42 pm)
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If you don't believe we already have starving and malnourished people in this country despite the billions spent on welfare programs year after year, you're nuts.
What are you saying then?
Creating more starving and malnourished people will be a good thing for our country?
Speaking of nuts..nuff said..
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While no state was perfect, New Hampshire, which scored 77.6, is easily the best anyone can do in the United States, followed by Minnesota (76.2)
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-charts >
< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-charts >
Posted by grassman on May 04 2015,4:17 pm
In light of what has been happening of late, I would say that giving people food and shelter would outway giving it to Big Business that does not need it. People have been killing children for insurance money. People have been killing and burning people's homes for stuff. This country has been put to the edge by the ones with the most money. We have continued to bring in from other countries when we will not take care of our own. What the answer is I don't know. Turning off the line for the ones that truly need it is just not it. You want mayhem, I can guarantee, that is what will happen.
Posted by alcitizens on May 04 2015,4:19 pm
(grassman @ May 04 2015,4:17 pm)
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In light of what has been happening of late, I would say that giving people food and shelter would outway giving it to Big Business that does not need it. People have been killing children for insurance money. People have been killing and burning people's homes for stuff. This country has been put to the edge by the ones with the most money. We have continued to bring in from other countries when we will not take care of our own. What the answer is I don't know. Turning off the line for the ones that truly need it is just not it. You want mayhem, I can guarantee, that is what will happen.
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,7:14 pm
Posted by Common Citizen on May 04 2015,8:20 pm
(grassman @ May 04 2015,4:17 pm)
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In light of what has been happening of late, I would say that giving people food and shelter would outway giving it to Big Business that does not need it. People have been killing children for insurance money. People have been killing and burning people's homes for stuff. This country has been put to the edge by the ones with thhe most money. We have continued to bring in from other countries when we will not take care of our own. What the answer is I don't know. Turning off the line for the ones that truly need it is just not it. You want mayhem, I can guarantee, that is what will happen.
You act as if killing people for profit is an anomaly amongst criminals. It doesn't mean you give people crap to prevent it. It has never worked throughout history. How much money has been thrown at the problem by the political class over the decades to no avail?
I'm all about helping people temporarily but the liberals have made it a cottage industry that provides no incentive for the poor to escape this economic slavery.
Gawd!
Posted by alcitizens on May 05 2015,1:06 am
Study Gives Minnesota Welfare Program Rave Reviews< http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/28/news/mn-26630 >
Minnesota Family Investment Program (MFIP) Reports
< http://www.dhs.state.mn.us/main..._004113 >
Issues We Focus On
< http://www.mdrc.org/issues-we-focus >
Goals have to be met to receive Welfare Benefits in Minnesota.. The old "carrot on a stick" approach..
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,2:10 am
^^I find your sources...ummmm...convenient 
Posted by Expatriate on May 21 2015,6:18 am
Rand Paul the typical teabagger slammed by Bernie Sanders Posted by grassman on May 21 2015,6:45 am
I do have to admit, some recipients will figure down to the last cent, what they can make in wage and still qualify for support. If they used that clerical skill for a job, they would not need support. On the other hand, business does the same thing with attorneys and accountants to get every last penny they can get out of the govt. Just a bigger scale.