Forum: Current Events
Topic: Sabotage or Treason
started by: Expatriate

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 09 2015,6:59 pm
Sabotage

Republican senators on Monday tried to sabotage efforts by President Barack Obama and other world leaders to reach an agreement with Iran to curb Tehran’s development of nuclear weapons. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and several committee chairmen signed an open letter to Iranian officials saying any agreement struck with Obama would expire when his term in the White House runs out in 2017.

It appears that for most Republicans in the Senate, a war in Afghanistan and a war in Iraq were not enough. They now apparently want a war in Iran as well!
President Obama is working with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia and China to try to negotiate a peaceful means to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. These negotiations must be allowed to continue and, hopefully, will succeed. It is an outrage that Republicans are trying to sabotage that effort!

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2015,8:35 pm
Sounds like the Repubs FINALLY got some balls :thumbsup:

That treason word fits Buster better :blush:

Posted by Liberal on Mar. 09 2015,9:25 pm
Treason? :rofl: :dunce:
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,4:25 am
Yeah, treason, traitorous actions etc. seems to fit well. Now try to tell me that if this was a republican prez doing the same things that he wouldn't be drawn and quartered.

Since dumbass didn't provide a link, I'll help the retarded.


< http://www.courier-journal.com/story...4655917 >

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 10 2015,8:11 am
It’s apparent from the posts of our local Republicans,the GOP has gone from the Party of No to the Party of F the US!
They simply cannot let Obama’s Administration make changes even if those changes benefit US!

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 10 2015,9:26 am
Sabotage?  :rofl:  :dunce:

Article II, Section 2, Clause 2

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 10 2015,10:40 am
^Where does it say anything about undermining the administration's ability to negotiate by bypassing the President
with a letter to a foreign government! Not only undermining the Obama Administration but that of United Kingdom, France,
Germany, Russia and China. McConnell and his henchmen have overstep the bounds of their authority!

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,11:26 am
Then write to Buster and have those rascals arrested :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,12:04 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 10 2015,10:40 am)
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McConnell and his henchmen have overstep the bounds of their authority!

Now where have I heard this before??? :sarcasm:
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 10 2015,12:10 pm
Had a Democrat Senate Majority leader acted in this fashion you’d be calling it High Treason.
The President should be allowed to act and function as the leader of this Nation, the Senate does have it’s place to ratify a treaty but not the right to undermined negotiations.

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Now where have I heard this before??? :sarcasm:

OK, where have you heard that dummy?

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,12:56 pm
^^executive order ring a bell retard???

So what's Buster going to do about it? He seems to think that the congress is completely unnessesary. The congress just got a little payback and though it'll probably come back around to bite them in the ass, it's good for Buster to receive a little payback. :D

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 10 2015,3:23 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 10 2015,12:56 pm)
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^^executive order ring a bell retard???

what are you just plain simple minded! what does that have to do with a treaty issue?

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,3:29 pm
Treaties need to be ratified :dunce:
Posted by grassman on Mar. 10 2015,4:00 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 10 2015,12:56 pm)
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^^executive order ring a bell retard???

So what's Buster going to do about it? He seems to think that the congress is completely unnessesary. The congress just got a little payback and though it'll probably come back around to bite them in the ass, it's good for Buster to receive a little payback. :D

Right there is what is wrong with our govt as a whole. It's all about payback, and people like you encourage rather than detest it. This is not fourth grade. This a country in trouble. pffft! :angry:
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 10 2015,4:18 pm
Oh I agree this country's in trouble but someone can only turn their cheek so many times
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 10 2015,11:00 pm
Oh my God! Iran might do something! Quick! To the Bat-Cave!

Eff off. My Lord, we did the same over-reactionary crap with Iraq in '03, and look where that got us. Any drumbeats you hear now are from military-industrial contractors, afraid they won't make X-trillion dollars because we're not bombing someone, somewhere. Stop being sheep, and start dealing with your real problems, already.

Posted by Marneman on Mar. 11 2015,1:06 am
When republicans do this with a Democrat in the White House it's "treason", But when Democrats do it when a Republican is in the White House it's "checks and balances" and good statesmanship.  God! I hate double standards!!
If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
Besides I don't trust the Iranians to bargin in good faith with any of us "Infeadels" anyway.  We should have turned that country into a big radioactive, glass, parking lot back in 1978!!

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 11 2015,5:36 am

(grassman @ Mar. 10 2015,4:00 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 10 2015,12:56 pm)
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^^executive order ring a bell retard???

So what's Buster going to do about it? He seems to think that the congress is completely unnessesary. The congress just got a little payback and though it'll probably come back around to bite them in the ass, it's good for Buster to receive a little payback. :D

Right there is what is wrong with our govt as a whole. It's all about payback, and people like you encourage rather than detest it. This is not fourth grade. This a country in trouble. pffft! :angry:

Payback is good :thumbsup:
It's a deterrent to future actions if properly used.

Posted by grassman on Mar. 11 2015,6:46 am
The only ones that should be issuing payback, is the voters.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 11 2015,8:03 am

(grassman @ Mar. 11 2015,6:46 am)
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The only ones that should be issuing payback, is the voters.

See, you do endorse retribution :thumbsup:
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 11 2015,8:27 am

(grassman @ Mar. 11 2015,6:46 am)
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The only ones that should be issuing payback, is the voters.

The voters are stupid.  Look who we've elected for the last 30 years?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 11 2015,8:46 am
Well what is worse, an open letter to iran or a dem. senator that went to the Soviets, asking them to intervene in the 1984 elections in a secret letter to the ussr.

Y'all act like the president is some sort of man god.

Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 11 2015,9:28 am

(Marneman @ Mar. 11 2015,1:06 am)
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When republicans do this with a Democrat in the White House it's "treason", But when Democrats do it when a Republican is in the White House it's "checks and balances" and good statesmanship.  God! I hate double standards!!

When in history have Democrats in Congress sent an open letter to a foreign nation trying to undermine negotiations of a Republican President?

I'm honestly asking, have Dems ever done such a thing?  Because there's only a double standard if it's actually happened.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,4:40 am
< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...t-union >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,4:41 am
< http://www.nbcnews.com/id...FoE8KrU >
Posted by grassman on Mar. 12 2015,5:56 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,4:40 am)
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< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...t-union >

Ted? Please, one of the most self serving politicians there was. You can't put turbines out there, that is where I sail!! :laugh:
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 12 2015,7:37 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,4:40 am)
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< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...t-union >

So where's the letter?  The article from Newsbusters found that a reporter in '91 mentioned a KGB officials memo in '83 that was addressed to another guy where the subject was a U.S. Senator.  A lot of speculation about what this possible letter or meeting might have been, but I haven't found any proof to corroborate all the gossip.

I have an open letter from GOP Senators undermining negotations, in return you've shown me a conspiracy theory of what might have happened with no proof.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/id...FoE8KrU

There were no negotiations to undermine.

World leaders meeting or talking isn't unusual, the mistake the Senators made is that you don't undermine your own countries negotiations, and essentially tell another country that they can't trust the United States even if they reach a deal.

Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 12 2015,8:16 am
Didn't Kerry and Harkin meet with Sandanista leader Ortega back in the 80's, behind Reagan's back?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,8:16 am
Yeah, conspiracy theory, sure. :sarcasm: what it comes down to is that Buster cannot be questioned, right? But if it's a republican sitting in office(a party I'm not too fond of) it's the duty of the democrat to inflict their will. Please :dunce:  :crazy:
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,8:21 am

(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,5:56 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,4:40 am)
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< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...t-union >

Ted? Please, one of the most self serving politicians there was. You can't put turbines out there, that is where I sail!! :laugh:

Lately, it seems as if all politicitions are self-serving.

They've got all those pretty windmill thingys down by AL now. They look good don't they? :sarcasm:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 12 2015,8:45 am
How Richard Nixon Sabotaged 1968 Vietnam Peace Talks to Get Elected President

< http://truth-out.org/progres...esident >

Posted by grassman on Mar. 12 2015,9:53 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,8:21 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,5:56 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,4:40 am)
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< http://newsbusters.org/blogs...t-union >

Ted? Please, one of the most self serving politicians there was. You can't put turbines out there, that is where I sail!! :laugh:

Lately, it seems as if all politicitions are self-serving.

They've got all those pretty windmill thingys down by AL now. They look good don't they? :sarcasm:

Our govt has gone over the top with recklessness. Look how many different governmental agencies we now have just in law enforcement. They have pissing matches and try to get one over on the other. Our governing body does it across the board. They have lost focus that they are there for US. They have made it about them. EXISTENCE is top priority. Now they are flaunting it on a world scale. How pathedic. Our govt speak of unrest in other countries, while they practice the same thing right here. We are becoming the laughing stock of the world. :(

Those wind turbines are probably a bigger tourist attraction than you think. You don't personally get anything out of it so you are against it. I still look at them in awe. :)

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,10:05 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 12 2015,8:45 am)
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How Richard Nixon Sabotaged 1968 Vietnam Peace Talks to Get Elected President

< http://truth-out.org/progres...esident >

Seems to me that for most all of Vietnam, there was a dem in office. LBJ instituded a few assaults. Operation Rolling Thunder comes to mind.

Wow LBJ, what a really bad joke :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 12 2015,10:39 am

(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,9:53 am)
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Our govt has gone over the top with recklessness. Look how many different governmental agencies we now have just in law enforcement. They have pissing matches and try to get one over on the other.


Those wind turbines are probably a bigger tourist attraction than you think. You don't personally get anything out of it so you are against it. I still look at them in awe. :)

I agree.  Look what Holder is doing.  Wait.  Look what Holder and de Blasio are doing to the law enforcement of our country.   Sabotage or worse?

Windmills are just a blow.  :cool:   What happens when government subsidies dry up and wind turbines are too costly to repair.  < You'll have hundreds of 300 foot tall empty Walmart buildings >scattered all over the countryside.

Posted by grassman on Mar. 12 2015,10:43 am
Technology on alternative energy is making advances, like it or not. Would the subsidies dry up before the oil subsidies do? If so, WHY?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,11:10 am

(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,10:43 am)
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Technology on alternative energy is making advances, like it or not. Would the subsidies dry up before the oil subsidies do? If so, WHY?

Do you hage a picture of Jim Jones in your wallet?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 12 2015,12:43 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,11:10 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,10:43 am)
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Technology on alternative energy is making advances, like it or not. Would the subsidies dry up before the oil subsidies do? If so, WHY?

Do you hage a picture of Jim Jones in your wallet?

Great contribution to the discussion, is that your best?
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 12 2015,12:43 pm
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< The IRS Is Giving Away $13 Billion A Year In Wind Energy Subsidies, Without Congressional Authorization >

The main federal handout for the wind energy industry has grown considerably despite the fact that it expired at the end of 2013. Over the past two years, IRS administrators have relaxed the eligibility requirements to make it easier for in-progress wind farm projects to qualify for government subsidies (known in Washington as the ‘production tax credit’ or  “PTC ”).  The IRS has done so repeatedly and quietly, often without action from Congress.


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< What do we have to show for government subsidies of wind power? >

For the past 23 years, the federal government has subsidized wind power with tens of billions of taxpayer dollars through the Production Tax Credit (PTC). What do we have to show for it? Wind energy only supplied 1.6 percent of total U.S. energy in 2014. Now the Department of Energy wants to reach a ridiculous goal of 20 percent wind energy by 2030. The fledgling wind industry has no hope of reaching that goal on its own, and the government wants to stick the American taxpayer with the bill to sustain an industry that can't sustain itself.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,2:22 pm

(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,12:43 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,11:10 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 12 2015,10:43 am)
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Technology on alternative energy is making advances, like it or not. Would the subsidies dry up before the oil subsidies do? If so, WHY?

Do you hage a picture of Jim Jones in your wallet?

Great contribution to the discussion, is that your best?

Nope, just a passing though in response to your major contribution :sarcasm:
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 12 2015,5:04 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 12 2015,10:05 am)
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(Expatriate @ Mar. 12 2015,8:45 am)
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How Richard Nixon Sabotaged 1968 Vietnam Peace Talks to Get Elected President

< http://truth-out.org/progres...esident >

Seems to me that for most all of Vietnam, there was a dem in office. LBJ instituded a few assaults. Operation Rolling Thunder comes to mind.

Wow LBJ, what a really bad joke :dunce:

Nixon was Commander in Chief during my military years, he's the one who sold US out. he probably got another 25,000 of US
killed and countless wounded and damaged for life.
All because he undermined the Paris peace talks for his own political ambition.
Nixon was Eisenhower's VP they got US into that quagmire, why is it Republican's always want to do that empire building.
So Nixon got US in and then sold US out!

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 12 2015,6:39 pm
Hmmmmm, as I remember it Nixon pulled us out of Vietnam in 1973, also, he ended the draft :D
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 12 2015,10:37 pm
yeah he'd be your hero, you fat 4f chickenhawk!

the most disgraced President of our lifetime  :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,2:54 am

(Expatriate @ Mar. 12 2015,10:37 pm)
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yeah he'd be your hero, you fat 4f chickenhawk!

the most disgraced President of our lifetime  :dunce:

No, that would be thee president we have now :dunce:

So, do you still have the metal plate? Or did they switch out for the plastic one for you head :rofl:

Posted by grassman on Mar. 13 2015,6:04 am
S.B. wants to forgive and forget everything Nixon did. Let's see, what was Nixon's future going to be??? Oh yeah, that word S.B. and his buddies keep throwing around, impeachment. DON'T FIGURE! :laugh:
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 13 2015,7:04 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,2:54 am)
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Nixon the most disgraced President of our lifetime  :dunce:

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No, that would be thee president we have now :dunce:

Nixon led the country to the edge of collapse Carter save US
from imploding.
Bush led US into a Depression with rightwing policy, Obama
saved US from the impending Bush collapse.

If you'd stop listening to the rightwing propagandists and open your eyes you'd see the nation has recovered from your party's
failed agenda.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,8:49 am
Carter saved us??? Carter saved us??? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 13 2015,9:56 am
Sabotage or treason?  Wow... :frusty:

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It is now clear that any deal with Iran will by its terms be a non-binding agreement.  That means the United States will have no international law obligation to comply with the agreement, considered in isolation, and that only diplomatic and political considerations – which might not be trivial – will stand in the way of the next President backing out of the deal and reimposing U.S. sanctions.  This is why I concluded yesterday that “in comparison with a binding executive agreement under international law, a non-binding agreement with Iran is easier to make (because the President can clearly do it on his own) and easier to break (because there is no domestic or international legal obstacle to breaking it).”

< My Webpage >

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The letter to Iranian leaders warned that unless Congress approved it, any nuclear deal they cut with President Barack Obama could expire once he leaves office. The letter could serve as a source of division in the upcoming presidential campaign: Democrats have assailed it as an attempt to undercut Obama at the negotiating table while Republicans have warned that a deal could lead to a nuclear-armed Iran.
< My Webpage >
Kerry himself stated that this would be a non-binding agreement. < My Webpage >  So why is Expat accusing Republicans of sabotage and treason?  Because he is a liberal hack, that's why. :;):

A non-binding agreement would allow the President to by-pass congress because it is not a treaty.  I would argue that Obama thinks he is above the constitution.  He wants to go around congress and take it to the UN and if passed there, it could then become a international binding agreement, ergo, treaty.  What ever happened to checks and balances?  This administration has thrown it out the window along with the constitution.  

Hillary tweeted, "GOP letter to Iranian clerics undermines American leadership.  No one considering running for commander-in -chief should be signing on.

Cotton replied, "No.  @HillaryClinton, letter to Iran helps protect the USA from bad deal.  No CinC should allow world's worst regime to get world's worst weapon."

I find it odd that a Donk would complain about the undermining of a sitting US President when that is exactly what the loony left did during the entire Bush presidency.
:deadhorse:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 13 2015,1:05 pm
Hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell on the floor!
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,1:46 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 13 2015,1:05 pm)
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Hope you didn't hurt yourself when you fell on the floor!

Ok, you kinda missed with the falling on the floor thing but have you got any more like " Carter saved the country"? God that's funny!

How about sticking you head in the fence? No, wait, that's not how that one goes but it's funny. :rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 13 2015,4:51 pm
There's more good in Carter's little finger than in Nixon's whole body! He didn't get US involved in any wars to further his political ambitions. He's still out doing selfless good works.
You'd do well to emulate the man, he's a far better role model then any Republican propagandist you parrot now.
You are too young to actually know what was going on in those years you're just parroting the rightwing hatemongers!

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Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,6:27 pm
^^^no no no, I grew up in a very politically opinionated family, Dad always did his "duty" as an election judge and both him and Mom absolutely hated Nixon. They wanted ol' Hubert to win (actually got to shake his hand as a yum un,Wendell too") but I always liked Nixon, very, very smart man, absolute genius with foreign policy though I didn't realize this till my twenties.

Tell you what, you like Carter so much, I have a six pack of genuine, unopened Billy Beer sitting on the shelf in my office, I should send you a can but you got to drink it and tell me what 40 year old beer tastes like :thumbsup:  :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 13 2015,7:29 pm
It's been done...  :rofl:
Posted by grassman on Mar. 13 2015,10:12 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,6:27 pm)
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I always liked Nixon, very, very smart man, absolute genius with foreign policy though I didn't realize this till my twenties.

Shows what your idolatry is. You don't want truth, you want results. The end justifies the means. Pure self centered bullchit! I don't know what your musical background is but I don't think the Allman Brothers Band would back Nixon like they did Carter. Just sayin, southern truth. They loved the guy. :thumbsup:  :clap:

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,11:27 pm

(grassman @ Mar. 13 2015,10:12 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,6:27 pm)
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I always liked Nixon, very, very smart man, absolute genius with foreign policy though I didn't realize this till my twenties.

Shows what your idolatry is. You don't want truth, you want results. The end justifies the means. Pure self centered bullchit! I don't know what your musical background is but I don't think the Allman Brothers Band would back Nixon like they did Carter. Just sayin, southern truth. They loved the guy. :thumbsup:  :clap:

Allman brorthers???
You mean the band that would go on multi million dollar tours and would come back broke because the spent everything on drugs?

The band where members had their own drug "wranglers"

Yeah, the Allman Brothers, ummmm, yeah, sure....ok :dunce:  :dunce:  :dunce:

When I was a long hauler I'd notice that when I'd go south of the Mason-Dixon Line the IQ's would drop like a rock.

Southern truth eh? I'll have to remember that one. :crazy:

Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2015,2:23 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,11:27 pm)
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You mean the band that would go on multi million dollar tours and would come back broke because the spent everything on drugs?

Free enterprise means you don't get to determine what a particular enterprise gets to spend its money on.

Secondly, "Jessica" and "Melissa" will outlive anything you ever write, collective-consciousness-wise. Even C.W. Mccall would have to agree with that. And those were the ones without lyrics.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,8:05 am
^^I just don't lend much credence to endorsements from dopers😜
Posted by grassman on Mar. 14 2015,8:15 am

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,11:27 pm)
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When I was a long hauler I'd notice that when I'd go south of the Mason-Dixon Line the IQ's would drop like a rock.

Southern truth eh? I'll have to remember that one. :crazy:

So  you are sayin those red states that have the right to work laws are not very bright? :laugh:
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2015,10:02 am
Red vs Blue maps and Moron vs. Smart maps are eerily similar...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,10:09 am
^^ I'll just have to give you that one, most all of the southerners I met were dumb as hell.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 14 2015,11:17 am
you would have been 15 years old when Carter was in office, few that age have a clue! Look at you, 54 and you still don't have a clue!
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 14 2015,12:14 pm
Nixon was pretty close to a tree hugging liberal.  Brought us all kinds of crazy ship we didn't need like the Environmental Protection Agency, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, Clean Air Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act.  He implemented desegregation in our school systems, created the Presidential Task Force on Women's Rights, bringing sex discrimination suits under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and created the Family Assistance Plan which replaced Aid to families with dependent children and food stamps with direct cash payments to families.

This guy was a bloomin' liberal.  :D

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,2:39 pm

(MADDOG @ Mar. 14 2015,12:14 pm)
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Nixon was pretty close to a tree hugging liberal.  Brought us all kinds of crazy ship we didn't need like the Environmental Protection Agency, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, Clean Air Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act.  He implemented desegregation in our school systems, created the Presidential Task Force on Women's Rights, bringing sex discrimination suits under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and created the Family Assistance Plan which replaced Aid to families with dependent children and food stamps with direct cash payments to families.

This guy was a bloomin' liberal.  :D

Yeah but because he had an "R" after his name pea-brains like Expat hate him.
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2015,2:47 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 14 2015,10:09 am)
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^^ I'll just have to give you that one, most all of the southerners I met were dumb as hell.

Army Basic Training was eye-opening, to say the least. I'd spent all of my life around here, up to that point. Muscogee County, Georgia seemed like a different planet.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,3:11 pm
Look at Ferguson Mo. Jeezus!
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2015,5:37 pm
Yeah. In other news, 95 percent of people arrested are criminals. Criminals say they're being unfairly profiled by police.  :p
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 16 2015,8:57 am

(irisheyes @ Mar. 11 2015,9:28 am)
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(Marneman @ Mar. 11 2015,1:06 am)
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When republicans do this with a Democrat in the White House it's "treason", But when Democrats do it when a Republican is in the White House it's "checks and balances" and good statesmanship.  God! I hate double standards!!

When in history have Democrats in Congress sent an open letter to a foreign nation trying to undermine negotiations of a Republican President?

I'm honestly asking, have Dems ever done such a thing?  Because there's only a double standard if it's actually happened.

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< Obama Funding the Anti-Bibi Campaign >

January 29, 2015

The Obama administration is using taxpayer dollars to fund a radical anti-Israel group that aims to drive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from office in March parliamentary elections.


< View on YouTube >

And the U.S.-based group receiving the U.S. government money, OneVoice International, in turn is working with V15, an “independent grassroots movement” in Israel, according to Ha’aretz. V15’s unofficial motto is said to be “anyone but Bibi,” a reference that includes the prime minister’s nickname.

OneVoice has reportedly hired Obama campaign aides such as Jeremy Bird of political consulting powerhouse 270 Strategies to take on Netanyahu’s Likud Party. Bird was national field director for Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign, but now he is apoplectic, frothing at the mouth as he spouts conspiracy theories over House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) invitation to Netanyahu to address the U.S. Congress in coming weeks.

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 16 2015,8:58 am

(irisheyes @ Mar. 11 2015,9:28 am)
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(Marneman @ Mar. 11 2015,1:06 am)
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When republicans do this with a Democrat in the White House it's "treason", But when Democrats do it when a Republican is in the White House it's "checks and balances" and good statesmanship.  God! I hate double standards!!

When in history have Democrats in Congress sent an open letter to a foreign nation trying to undermine negotiations of a Republican President?

I'm honestly asking, have Dems ever done such a thing?  Because there's only a double standard if it's actually happened.

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< Obama Funding the Anti-Bibi Campaign >

January 29, 2015

The Obama administration is using taxpayer dollars to fund a radical anti-Israel group that aims to drive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from office in March parliamentary elections.

And the U.S.-based group receiving the U.S. government money, OneVoice International, in turn is working with V15, an “independent grassroots movement” in Israel, according to Ha’aretz. V15’s unofficial motto is said to be “anyone but Bibi,” a reference that includes the prime minister’s nickname.

OneVoice has reportedly hired Obama campaign aides such as Jeremy Bird of political consulting powerhouse 270 Strategies to take on Netanyahu’s Likud Party. Bird was national field director for Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign, but now he is apoplectic, frothing at the mouth as he spouts conspiracy theories over House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) invitation to Netanyahu to address the U.S. Congress in coming weeks.



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Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 16 2015,8:21 pm
This is the same kook who sponsored the letter to Iran, what does this say about Arkansas's Educational system!
Posted by Liberal on Mar. 16 2015,11:02 pm
Considering the things I've read on this topic I'd say it puts them a step or two above Iowa
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 18 2015,3:37 pm

(Expatriate @ Mar. 16 2015,8:21 pm)
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This is the same kook who sponsored the letter to Iran, what does this say about Arkansas's Educational system!

He didn't say that the Iranians recently took control of Tehran.  He stated the fact as a prelude to the following sentence.  

Typical lib:  Don't debate the message.  Disparage the messenger.  

Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 18 2015,4:55 pm
It's all about keeping Big Bad Iran down. When they tried to nationalize their OWN oil reserves, the U.S. and the U.K. organize a coup d'etat, and overthrow their democratically elected Prime Minister, and replace him with the Shah (See: Western Puppet). And, of course, that came back to bite us, as these things always do.

Maybe we should just stop messing around with other sovereign nations' affairs, and worry about our own. Can we do that? No.

Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 19 2015,4:26 am

(Botto 82 @ Mar. 18 2015,4:55 pm)
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Maybe we should just stop messing around with other sovereign nations' affairs, and worry about our own. Can we do that? No.

You mean like not trying(and failing embarrassingly :rofl: ) to influence a major election in an allied country :blush:

No and it doesn't matter who's in office :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,5:34 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,5:35 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,6:28 am
Ah, the voice of reason
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,6:30 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,6:30 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,6:33 am
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Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 15 2015,7:49 pm

(Self-Banished @ Mar. 19 2015,4:26 am)
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No and it doesn't matter who's in office :dunce:

If it doesn't matter who, than why are you a Republican?  

Why support Rand Paul or Ted Cruz instead of Hillary or Obama if it makes no difference to you?

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,8:39 pm
Jeezus, are you that stupid???
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 16 2015,2:27 pm
< http://freebeacon.com/nationa...r-talks >
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 17 2015,6:21 am

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2015,8:39 pm)
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Jeezus, are you that stupid???

You're the one that keeps saying it doesn't matter.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 17 2015,7:01 am
Expat and alci get their panties in bunch throwing terms like traitor and sabotage around when a few Senators explain to the Iranians how treaties are voted on and passed in our country.  

Meanwhile we have the Obama Administration along with other liberal hacks wanting to disarm it's own citizens by attacking the 2nd ammendment all the while selling military arms to crazy nut jobs in the Middle East. i.e., Egypt.  Not to mention this administrations use of other various government agencies like the IRS, EPA, and the NSA to harass it's own citizens. :crazy:

You tell me tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.  Just who are the real traitors to our country and its' citizens?  You for supporting a party that continuously undermined our servicemen and women while they were on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq?  You for supporting an administration that has Vietnamized the war in the Middle East, Detroit'd our businesses, Chicago'd our schools, Californized our families?  :dunno:

At some point you need to clean the sh!+ out of your own pig pen.  Nuff  said.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 17 2015,7:07 am

(irisheyes @ Apr. 17 2015,6:21 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2015,8:39 pm)
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Jeezus, are you that stupid???

You're the one that keeps saying it doesn't matter.

You're the dumbass that keeps saying it does. :dunce:
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 17 2015,7:27 am

(Common Citizen @ Apr. 17 2015,7:01 am)
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Expat and alci get their panties in bunch throwing terms like traitor and sabotage around when a few Senators explain to the Iranians how treaties are voted on and passed in our country.  

Meanwhile we have the Obama Administration along with other liberal hacks wanting to disarm it's own citizens by attacking the 2nd ammendment all the while selling military arms to crazy nut jobs in the Middle East. i.e., Egypt.  Not to mention this administrations use of other various government agencies to harass it's own citizens like the IRS, EPA, NSA. :crazy:

You tell me tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.  Just who are the real traitors to our country and its' citizens?  You for supporting a party that continuously undermined our servicemen and women while they were on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq?  You for supporting an administration that has Vietnamized the war in the Middle East, Detroit'd our businesses, Chicago'd our schools, Californized our families?  :dunno:

At some point you need to clean the sh!+ out of your own pig pen.  Nuff  said.

Had the situation been reversed and it was Democrat Senators undermining a Republican President in delicate negotiations
with Iran and six other prominent nations you’d be singing a different tune.
The Party NO has tried to take this country and President down at any cost and failed, they've aggressively attacked
delicate negotiations in effort to embarrass the President only to embarrass themselves.

Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 17 2015,7:29 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 17 2015,7:27 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Apr. 17 2015,7:01 am)
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Expat and alci get their panties in bunch throwing terms like traitor and sabotage around when a few Senators explain to the Iranians how treaties are voted on and passed in our country.  

Meanwhile we have the Obama Administration along with other liberal hacks wanting to disarm it's own citizens by attacking the 2nd ammendment all the while selling military arms to crazy nut jobs in the Middle East. i.e., Egypt.  Not to mention this administrations use of other various government agencies to harass it's own citizens like the IRS, EPA, NSA. :crazy:

You tell me tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.  Just who are the real traitors to our country and its' citizens?  You for supporting a party that continuously undermined our servicemen and women while they were on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq?  You for supporting an administration that has Vietnamized the war in the Middle East, Detroit'd our businesses, Chicago'd our schools, Californized our families?  :dunno:

At some point you need to clean the sh!+ out of your own pig pen.  Nuff  said.

Had the situation been reversed and it was Democrat Senators undermining a Republican President in delicate negotiations
with Iran and six other prominent nations you’d be singing a different tune.
The Party  NO has tried to take this country and President down as a do nothing congress and failed, so they aggressively attack
delicate negotiations in effort to embarrass the President only to embarrass themselves.

I went and edited my last post if you would like to include it in your most recent erroneous post.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 17 2015,7:32 am
This Congress has capitulated to the Obama Admin more than your liberal news sources are leading you to believe.

And no I would not have complained if the roles were reversed.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 17 2015,8:07 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 17 2015,8:23 am
^^ah, the sage of the dumocrat party :sarcasm:
Posted by grassman on Apr. 17 2015,6:10 pm
Jon Stewart may be a comedian by trade, I give him a lot more credibility than most journalists. He cuts through the BS and says what everyone else is afraid to. Truth hurts. :thumbsup:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 17 2015,6:58 pm
^^Yes it does, just ask Brian Williams :blush:
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 18 2015,8:02 am

<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act[/URL]

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953 )
United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. The law was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 18 2015,4:06 pm
^^then petition your lord and master to have the AG to file charges(ya, right, he doesn't have the spine)and quite whining :dunce:

And for Christ sakes get you pasty, marsh mellow ass outside and get some sun on this wonderful day :p

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,6:49 am
:frusty:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,8:14 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 20 2015,6:49 am)
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:frusty:

Yeah! Who can argue wit "death to America" chant or Israel must be wiped from the planet :dunce:
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 15 2015,11:00 am
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< Iran's Quds Day: Death to America, Death to Israel >

Tehran staged its traditional Quds Day[1] rallies on July 10 in 770 cities across Iran. Quds Day was established by the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the late Imam Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini, ostensibly to unify the Muslim world to "liberate" the Palestinian people from the "Zionist Entity's" disputed "occupation."

However, in reality, Quds Day has become a day in which Iran and protestors in other societies attack the legitimacy of the state of Israel ("The Little Satan") and threaten the United States ("The Big Satan").

In the lead-up to Quds Day, the former President of Iran, Al Akbar Rafsanjani, mused in an interview about the eventual disappearance of Israel from history. [2]

The chants at this year's rallies were familiar: "Death to America" and "Death to Israel."

Reportedly, President Hassan Rouhani attended a rally in Tehran and was treated to posters of Prime Minister Netanyahu, President Obama, and King Salman of Saudi Arabia being burned. He did not protest.
Interesting.  Iran muses about the eventual disappearance of Israel from their history just as our country is trying to eradicate some civil war history from our.  Iran burns our national flag while some try to destroy a US flag from our history.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 15 2015,3:29 pm
Oh Mr 'Dog, you're being far too extreme on this. :sarcasm:  :)
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 16 2015,7:27 am
Once again the Republican Chickenhawks want YOU to go to war!

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 16 2015,8:57 am
I don't think anyone believes that going to war is the solution, but how many of your forgot the progressive who said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick?"

Some laws of nature do work, like unbalanced forces.

QUOTE
If two forces are in opposite directions, then the net force is the difference between the two forces, and it is in the direction of the larger force. Consider two dogs playing tug of war with a short piece of rope. Each is exerting a force, but in opposite directions.

Notice that the dog on the left is pulling with a force of 10 N, and the dog on the right is pulling with a force of 12 N. Which dog do you think will win the tug of war? Because the forces are in opposite directions, the net force is determined by subtracting the smaller force from the larger one. In this case, the net force is 2 N in the direction of the dog on the right.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 16 2015,9:14 am

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2015,6:49 am
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Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2015,7:13 am
:p
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2015,7:30 am
^^ :blush:
Posted by grassman on Jul. 18 2015,7:31 am
Does not matter. Reagan was the key player to pave the way for the top players, I mean our country. :sarcasm: I thought Reagan was Republican...I am almost sure of it.  :laugh: Remember Oliver North?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2015,2:50 pm
:p
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2015,5:54 pm
:(
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2015,8:00 am
It’s time to amend the Constitution, all acts of war (with the exception of if we’re attacked first) should be put to a national vote. Anyone voting yes would automatically be conscripted as a volunteer for service in the United States Army. NO deferments no age restriction. NO war profiteering, all corporations would be nationalized, profit going to the war effort, corporate salaries reduced to that of an enlisted man in the service.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,8:21 am
^^what's a "constitution"?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2015,9:48 am
< http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2015,11:17 am
^^Oh! That writing that which our government tends to wipe their collective asses with.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,8:14 am

(Expatriate @ Jul. 19 2015,8:00 am)
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It’s time to amend the Constitution, all acts of war (with the exception of if we’re attacked first) should be put to a national vote. Anyone voting yes would automatically be conscripted as a volunteer for service in the United States Army. NO deferments no age restriction. NO war profiteering, all corporations would be nationalized, profit going to the war effort, corporate salaries reduced to that of an enlisted man in the service.

Oh why not? Coersion in voting but don't we already have that? Welfare? "Vote for us, we'll give you more free stuff". Feel entitled? "We don't care, as long as you vote for us we'll give you what you want or at least throw you a bone"

Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 20 2015,10:59 am

(grassman @ Jul. 18 2015,7:31 am)
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Does not matter. Reagan was the key player to pave the way for the top players, I mean our country. :sarcasm: I thought Reagan was Republican...I am almost sure of it.  :laugh: Remember Oliver North?

Reagan (Regan) vowed to "turn the bull loose," referring to much less government oversight of Wall Street. A decade later, Clinton signs the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Bi-partisan economic self-destruct mode.

Much of the Securities and Exchange Commission's evidence of trader wrongdoings was contained in paper-only files housed in their offices in 7 World Trade Center. I guess it was really fortunate for a lot of Wall Street types that that particular building collapsed...  :O

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,11:14 am
^^ attension Walmart Shoppers, there's a sale on Rennolds Wrap. :blush:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2015,1:55 pm
You didn't recognise him? To be fair it was pretty good makeup, :D
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2015,2:56 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jul. 21 2015,1:55 pm)
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You didn't recognise him? To be fair it was pretty good makeup, :D

Crap, wrong thread😳
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,7:46 am
:dunce:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,8:01 am
Yes, let's just give Iran nukes. I mean it, seems like it'd just get it over quicker, blow Israel off the map. :dunce:
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2015,10:50 am
< Kerry >:
QUOTE
“If Congress rejects this, Iran goes back to its enrichment. The Ayatollah will not come back to the table ... the sanctions regime completely falls apart,” he said.


“We will have set ourselves back. I don’t know how I go out to another country if that happens and say: ‘Hey, you ought to negotiate with us,’ because they will say: ‘Well, you have 535 secretaries of state in the United States. We don’t know who we are negotiating with. Whatever deal we make always risks being overturned.’”

Asked why the White House did not seek to ratify the deal as a treaty through the Senate alone, Kerry was scathing about its oversight function.

“I spent quite a few years trying to get treaties through the US Senate, and frankly, it’s become physically impossible,” he said. “You can’t pass a treaty anymore.”


The problem is the great Hades and his guard dog Cerberus didn't go through the official procedures to ratify a treaty.

When this is all over, I say let's attempt to swap Barry and his buddy for the four hostages Iran is still holding.  If necessary, we can throw in a couple of judges and an ex DOJ official or two.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,11:42 am
^^ c'mon, you know they'd never give us anything for that motley crew.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 01 2015,7:52 am
^ :dunce:
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 01 2015,8:10 am
^^ :dunce:  :dunce:
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 01 2015,2:49 pm
^ :dunce:
Posted by grassman on Aug. 02 2015,7:33 am
The Marines just got their first 10 of 450 F35s. Where are they going? Why Japan of course. What was the price tag on these planes that cannot operate correctly in bad weather? Lots. :(
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 02 2015,9:29 am
^^ I can't argue with you on a lot of these new military toys, they're pushed through to push $$ around in both R & D districts.
Posted by grassman on Aug. 04 2015,7:57 am
What?! No outcry against this kind of waste? Oh ya, the military, the sacred cow. :frusty:
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 04 2015,8:12 am
The military needs to be reworked,

Things like charging for saving some these countries ( if we're actually needed in the first place)
All military exercises done in country, preferably on our southern border.

Full audits of expenditures by outside accounting.

Etc.

Posted by grassman on Aug. 04 2015,9:03 am
Look up the cost and the quality of these jets. Some have a cannon on board that will shoot 3000 rnds per minute. Impressive huh. Too bad they can only carry 1300 rnds. :(
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 04 2015,9:15 am
^^ oh so many bad jokes :rofl:

But yeah, you're right.

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