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Topic: Sheriff race, how long has Libel been a crime?
started by: Liberal

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 02 2014,11:24 pm

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ALBERT LEA, Minn. – A sheriff’s deputy running for the top spot says he’s the victim of libel, and there’s an official investigation underway.
Dep. Kurt Freitag is running against incumbent Freeborn County Sheriff Bob Kindler. Freitag tells KIMT News 3 he is upset in particular about a website that lists several complaints about his work history and personal life. Freitag says it’s a clear case of libel and has asked the Albert Lea Police Department to investigate.
“This race has gotten out of control,” Freitag said.
Albert Lea Police Department Deputy Director J.D. Carlson confirms that the agency has investigated the case and has passed the investigation to a law enforcement agency outside of Freeborn County.
Freitag says they have not been able to determine who launched the site yet, but says he is confident the investigation will lead to the person responsible.
< http://kimt.com/2014...fs-race >

Libel is a civil issue so why are we spending tax dollars looking into a civil matter? Try calling the Sheriff’s office and tell them you've been libeled online and would like it investigated and see how far you get. I would hope that a candidate for Sheriff would know that.

I'm pretty sure it would cost a considerable amount in legal fees to try to find out who registered that website. And I'd guess that you would never get the information because that's what the anonymous registration companies do.

I don't know why he'd waste his time, it's some pretty unbelievable stuff with nothing to back it up and you can tell by reading it that the person seems to have a personal problem with Freitag.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 03 2014,8:36 am

Ya. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. He just brought a lot more attention to the site.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 03 2014,9:47 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 02 2014,11:24 pm)

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Maybe this helps a little. Maybe it will muddy the water?

< Minnesota Statute 609.765 >

Posted by Joink on Oct. 04 2014,12:51 am

Shouldn't be to hard to figure out who took the photo.
Since he flipped them off.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 04 2014,5:51 pm

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 03 2014,8:36 am)

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He just brought a lot more attention to the site.

agreed, most folks would have never noticed the site.

Posted by TheHill on Oct. 05 2014,12:05 pm

I have to agree that a candidate for the office should know that this is not a criminal mater. In fact, it is plausible that the courts would rule that since is is a candidate that he is a public figure making the libel claim more difficult to prove.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 05 2014,6:55 pm

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< Fair Campaign Practices Law >

211B.06 FALSE POLITICAL AND CAMPAIGN MATERIAL; PENALTY; EXCEPTIONS.

Subdivision 1.Gross misdemeanor.

A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who intentionally participates in the preparation, dissemination, or broadcast of paid political advertising or campaign material with respect to the personal or political character or acts of a candidate, or with respect to the effect of a ballot question, that is designed or tends to elect, injure, promote, or defeat a candidate for nomination or election to a public office or to promote or defeat a ballot question, that is false, and that the person knows is false or communicates to others with reckless disregard of whether it is false.

A person is guilty of a misdemeanor who intentionally participates in the drafting of a letter to the editor with respect to the personal or political character or acts of a candidate, or with respect to the effect of a ballot question, that is designed or tends to elect, injure, promote, or defeat any candidate for nomination or election to a public office or to promote or defeat a ballot question, that is false, and that the person knows is false or communicates to others with reckless disregard of whether it is false.

Subd. 2.Exception.

Subdivision 1 does not apply to any person or organization whose sole act is, in the normal course of their business, the printing, manufacturing, or dissemination of the false information.

Posted by Kurt Freitag on Oct. 05 2014,11:42 pm

Although this is my first post on the Forum, I'm not new to it. I've tracked many of you over the years and have come to respect the broad knowledge that many members have in quite a few different areas. This thread is no different. You're right, CC, that I brought this whole thing into the forefront. Before I did, I sat back and waited to see if the website would be discovered, and after two weeks, quite a few people began contacting me to see if I knew about it. After another week went by, I was told they were printing copies of the website and distributing them to local businesses. Because of this, I decided to address it on my Facebook page and also the Tribune. The argument could be made either way, and I chose my course.

Have a great night.

Kurt Freitag

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 07 2014,12:00 am

I guess I take note to the fact that so many people are falling for this line that Kindler is behind all of this negative slander. You sit and state over and over again that he is the one behind all of this, I wonder where is your proof to back this up? You state you are taking the High road, yet over and over again you trash him every chance you get. With not an ounce of proof to back any of it up. You are aggressively seeking to convince people of how scandalous Mr. Kindler is, when really, in my opinion, it makes you look terrible. Reading between the lines I'd say your a snake in the grass, and although we may not have the best leadership at the moment, or it may appear that way, you definitely won't do any better. If anything why don't you focus on just what you say you are going to do Mr. Freitag and run a positive campaign, and take the high road. Don't say you are taking the high road and then proceed to bash your opponent in the next breath. It makes you look like a fool. And I don't want a fool as a Sherriff of my county. If it doesn't apply, let it fly!!!

Posted by Kurt Freitag on Oct. 07 2014,9:11 am

Kindler may not have been directly responsible for the creation of the site, but at a minimum, with his own admission, he’s aware of it. It’s obvious that someone within the building created it. I can’t say more about that person(s) now. The Sheriff’s Office has policies that cover behavior/activities such as the creation of that website. Instead of getting to the bottom of it, he said he’s going to keep his distance and not get involved. That speaks quite a bit. By not taking action, he supports the website. The main question is, why doesn’t he get involved and investigate a policy violation? I don’t believe I’ve ever said he’s directly behind the libel. I’ve talked about things concerning Kindler as a sheriff, and his last eight years as a detective, because I feel they are relevant. I’ve talked about his work ethic and I’ve given many examples to substantiate this. I’ve talked about how he exposes the county to potential civil litigation because he and his administration don’t follow our own policies and also DOC’s mandates. I’ve also talked about our reduced numbers with the ICE contract, the poor quality of our investigations (particularly at the detective level) and poor moral across the board. These are factual things and I’m running for sheriff because of them. I also promote what I want to do differently to make the sheriff’s office a more professional law enforcement agency.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 08 2014,11:45 pm

Read the most recent post by Mr. Freitag in the Albert Lea Tribune. Seems that he is looking for anything he can come up with to shed a negative light on Mr. Kindler. Thanks for all of your years in the service, that does need to be acknowledged. However, you have served under what is it, 3 different sheriffs? And you are still simply a patrol deputy? Have you ever been in any supervisory positions in the department? If not, why is that? Are all these sheriffs just flawed in some way? OR have these sheriffs seen that you are not capable of taking on these extra duties? IF that is the case, I'd say that shows me as a voter, more than enough to come to the conclusion that you don't have the experience to lead a sheriffs office. I also have to add, that if memory serves me right, Kindler has ran a campaign before, and all this dirty crap going on was not near as prevalent as now. The only thing new to the equation is you Mr. Freitag. It is very evident that you are extremely aggressive in nature, it shows through most all of your posts, interviews etc... In your first post on here, you stated "I've tracked many of you over the years". That statement may blow over to many people, but to me it makes a bold, arrogant, statement, that you think you are someone of some real importance. Arrogant is the best way to describe it. As Im sure you know, through your law enforcement experience, sometimes if you pay attention to what people say, and the words they use, you can gain a lot of insight into there character. My opinion of you is that you are an arrogant, inexperienced candidate. You clearly are not a team player, hence the reason you are a patrol deputy after the amount of time you have been with Freeborn County. Not that there is anything wrong with being a deputy. Just a big jump from your current position into a position with so much more responsibility and leadership involved. Instead of focusing on your strong points, and letting the people in the community know EXACTLY how you are going to improve, you have spent a lot of that time doing everything you can to discredit Mr. Kindler. The things you have pointed out, really are trivial, and come along with any position of leadership. I guess as a voter, I have no SOLID reason to vote for you. Other than the years in the military, you have no leadership experience that I can see. Mr. Kindler, although I may not agree with all of his decisions, has been there a long time, and worked his way into leadership roles. There is a reason for that. And I have to say, that just because he doesn't get involved in this whole website issue, to me, doesn't mean that he is necessarily behind it. It shouldn't be dealt with by him anyway considering the circumstances. An outside agency should deal with it. And from what I gathered that's what's happening. The personal bias should have been left out by whomever wrote it, and only facts stated. As a voter, you are in a county wide interview for a job. I want to know it all, good and bad. A good leader can admit to his faults, and learn from them. I haven't heard much out of Mr. Kindler, in the news, or online, and personally I look at this as, INTEGRITY doesn't need to be defended, it will defend itself!! I would rather see him doing his job, more than campaigning. After all he is our sheriff and he still has a job to do, it seems to me his focus is where it needs to be, and that shows character.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 09 2014,12:26 am

You seem angry.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 09 2014,5:12 am

Paragraphs would be nice too.

Posted by Memphis on Oct. 09 2014,8:02 am

CC, have ever worked in a place where every so many years your boss has to be voted into his position. I can tell you it is not a fun time. You try to stay low and make a small target. It is not something that is fun to be part of. My hats off to both Kurt and Dale for making themselves a large target in there own department. I find it odd how Kidler always pleds the 5th with an issue comes up in HIS department, from Dale talking to kids or someone bashing Kurt in writtings. Hard to trust someone like that. Hard to show he is a leader when he dodges things all the time. Just a thought?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 09 2014,8:56 am

I'm surprised how many people have told me they had planned to vote for Kindler until that website went up and Kindler didn't seem to care.

Posted by Joink on Oct. 09 2014,9:17 am

If I was Kindler. I would stay as far away as I could from that web site. Conflict of interest here. Let an outside department deal with it. With Kindler you know what you got. With Frietag it's a major crap shoot that is not worth the gamble.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 09 2014,9:20 am

+1, the website will hurt Kindler more than Freitag.

~Politics are merely an expression of human immaturity.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 09 2014,9:51 am

You can always check out a few previous threads.

Here's a < Kindler search >.

Posted by ICU812 on Oct. 09 2014,9:56 am

Concerned Citizen During Sheriff Campaign would have fit better.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 09 2014,10:46 am

(Expatriate @ Oct. 09 2014,9:20 am)

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+1, the website will hurt Kindler more than Freitag.

~Politics are merely an expression of human immaturity.

Wow, that was deep :sarcasm:

Posted by Joink on Oct. 09 2014,11:03 am

I noticed in the local fish wrap today that Frietag's former co-workers are trashing him. I would hope after he loses, he just leaves.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 09 2014,10:16 pm

Thank you Chuck, I have been waiting for someone from within to give their take on the election. Point on, what I clearly observed in Kurts actions.

If Chuck has worked with Kindler since he started, then I trust and believe what he has to say. He has an excellent reputation to back up his statements as well. I wish more deputies and co workers would speak up. These are the people that can verify who is best fit. And no, I'm not talking about the ones that were fired or let go when Kindler began to clean up the department.

Maybe not perfect, which none of us are, but there seems to be a better outcome for the department keeping Kindler in charge.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...trusted >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2014,12:17 am

I planned to vote for Kindler but I'm starting to rethink that based on the website and the way Kindler handled it. And I think even though Freitag is a public figure he has a pretty good chance in a libel suit for the motorcycle gang accusation alone.

Am I the only one that sees the anger in that website, and in Concerned Citizen's post? All that anger makes me think it's something personal.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 10 2014,8:23 am

(Memphis @ Oct. 09 2014,8:02 am)

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Common Citizen or Concerned Citizen? Please don't confuse the two. :laugh:

I don't have a dog in this fight. dgaf

Posted by TheHill on Oct. 10 2014,1:57 pm

Kindler is making a mistake by not coming out, and right away, and denounced the site and asked his supporters to take in down. An inability in influence his supports shows weakness.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 10 2014,4:17 pm

Any way you slice it, election after election, the sheriff's race in Freeborn County is always marred by hate, deceit, lies and scandals. It's always been the biggest tooth and dagger, back-stabbing no hold barred soap opera all the way back to Nolander. No matter what, there is always at least one candidate who plays dirty.

Posted by TheHill on Oct. 10 2014,8:59 pm

Interesting observation. What is going on there? Sad.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2014,12:36 pm

How stupid does someone have to be to steal a political sign, deface it, and then get in a tussle with the candidate when he tries to take his property back? How is it that he hasn't been charged for this in the past when he did it to Erdman and Harig?

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...ff-race >

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 14 2014,1:01 pm

only in Albert lea, guess we know who Jim supports.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2014,1:32 pm

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The day after the incident, Bronson said Johnson came to his house in the role of a personnel investigator with the Sheriff’s Office for about an hour after receiving a call from “a concerned citizen” about the altercation. He said Johnson advised him to call the media with his story.

So this deputy tells the person that committed the crime to go to the media?

Considering the link to that shady website was posted on this forum during work hours from a Courthouse computer I think Freitag might be on to something.

I'm afraid that if Freitag wants Johnson investigated he's going to have to wait until Johnson runs against Kindler. It seems that's the only sure fire way to get a deputy investigated around here.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 14 2014,6:20 pm

I voted early.. Most were incumbents..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2014,3:25 am

I'm curious, why early?

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 15 2014,8:48 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 15 2014,3:25 am)

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I'm curious, why early?

So the officials at his polling location don't say, "Hey, weren't you here once already?" :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2014,9:28 am

(MADDOG @ Oct. 15 2014,8:48 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 15 2014,3:25 am)

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I'm curious, why early?

So the officials at his polling location don't say, "Hey, weren't you here once already?" :rofl:

Wow!, you sell cars and read minds! :rofl:

Posted by Alfy Packer on Oct. 16 2014,8:37 am

I think we are seeing Frietag under pressure and getting some subtle clues into the man. As far as who I would least like in the office, Frietag is winning. :frusty:

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 16 2014,10:35 am

This sheriff election race has turned into near national disaster. Bloggers are picking up on this one. Freeborn County will make the Enquirer soon. < One is even calling for the state police to come in. >

I can see the blogger's point. You have to wonder if any of the candidates should be sheriff?

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 16 2014,10:52 am

Are we talking...

< http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946) >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 16 2014,9:36 pm

I had planned to vote absentee but I'm glad I didn't because I would have voted for Kindler.

The things that changed my mind is Marc Johnson, the Letter to the editor campaign attacking Freitag, the website, and the tape claiming campaigning on the job. Also Freitag is a fellow NCO and every soldier knows that NCOs run the Army so I have no doubt he can supervise deputies.

If Freitag wins I wonder how uncomfortable deputy Johnson will be Wednesday morning.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 17 2014,11:06 am

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And the phony baloney letter to the editor campaign is a travesty--you can't expect the poor Albert Lea Tribune to figure out who's a crank and who's real because they can't stop printing racist and stupid letters to begin with.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 18 2014,8:05 am

Somebody out there gets it...

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2014,2:11 pm

Or this guy?

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 18 2014,10:20 pm

So now its legal to just walk into someones yard and take something?? Trespassing at the least? Wow, whether he did what he was accused of, it shows a true lack of professionalism on his part. :crazy:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 19 2014,10:46 am

Sure, if the crazy sign guy also had a no trespassing sign then you'd have a point. But it seems to me that he was trying to leave with his sign and the fruitcake was trying to stop him.

I wonder if that Bronson freak knows what a laughingstock he's become. I guess when everyone already thinks your disgusting human being you've got nothing to lose acting like a fool.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 19 2014,4:25 pm

Kurt should have been more professional about it.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 19 2014,4:42 pm

How's that? Should he have asked the thief's permission to retrieve his property before stepping a couple feet into his property to retrieve his stolen sign? Or once the thief told him to give it back you think he should have ignored the fact that it was his property and given it back to the mental case that stole it?

I'm guessing the guy will be charged with stealing and damaging the sign if he hasn't been already.

Posted by digger on Oct. 19 2014,4:51 pm

It will be interesting to see the outcome of this race. Who will be the one on Wednesday morning claiming they got screwed because of all the drama. Will there be recounts, possible legal actions, etc. from either party?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 19 2014,6:04 pm

Is there really a reason why we should not vote for Bob if there is give some specifics?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 19 2014,6:35 pm

Doing nothing about the website, doing nothing about Marc Johnson, and the leaked videotape of nothing are what changed my mind.

Posted by Carmen Lea on Oct. 19 2014,6:52 pm

And do you think Kindlers backers ever would even talk to the sign guy, (don't want to use his name) if they hadn't needed him to use for their own gain? Never. After the election do you think they will Invite him to their coffee parties, invite him over for Thanksgiving. Ask him to join their card club, or take him on their fishing trip, maybe even get him golfing on their league team. Ya...right.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 19 2014,7:28 pm

But none of them make Kurt a better candidate for the Sheriffs job. I have never heard anything but Good about Bob. When you are running for a position everyone is watching you, you cant do anything without people knowing and how come i haven't seen a letter of FORMER county sheriffs who have worked with both Bob and Kurt for more than 10 years write a letter for Kurt and i have seen a few for Bob. Just makes you ask questions of who would make a Good leader for this county.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 19 2014,9:05 pm

Kurt has shown his true colors under pressure. He cant contain himself by any means.

Kindler has no responsibility to respond the the website. I guess it shows more professionalism on his part if you ask me. All I have seen from Kurt, is that everyone is out to get him, and every allegation, or accusation that's been made has come from Kindler. I think Kindler is simply staying out of the childish games. What exactly did Marc Johnson do? I mean what actual facts, other than Kurts accusations?

Kurt has not only attacked kindler, but half if not more of the sheriffs department. People that have been there for years.. Oh that's right, they're all out to get him right..?!? :rofl:

Maybe it shows that they know who he really is and aren't going to sit back and let him rip up the department more than he already has..

And Liberal, you stated something about this being personal a while back.. I guess my answer to that is; your correct' it is personal..my personal opinion. Just as your comments are your personal opinions. As far as being angry, I wouldn't waste my time being angry. Kurt, isn't that important to me.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 20 2014,1:04 am

That Bronson needs to be charged for the sign incident as he broke a law, Marc Johnson should also for sticking his nose in where it did not belong- He is county not city. Kindler is lucky the lawsuit in Federal Court against him and the county has not surfaced and probably won't till after the election or I think people would get their eyes opened. If Westland would have worked as hard in the Sheriffs department as he tries now making up lies in support of Kindler he would not be considered having the worst work record of a deputy in the county. Kurt only done what any of you would have if it were you running and Bronson done that !!!

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 20 2014,7:12 am

Easymoney how do you that those are Lies?

Posted by nzeroesc on Oct. 20 2014,7:54 am

Probably for the same reason you claim to know certain things are the truth or lies as well kinnick. The only two periods in time you have chosen to participate in this forum and discussions are during the last two sheriff elections.

The last time was to bash Harig and extol the amazing virtues of Kindler, and here you are again to tell everyone how horrible Freitag is, and how amazing the last four year love affair with Kindler has been.

What dog do you have in the fight that keeps you so concerned about this and nothing else that has happened in town in the last four years?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 20 2014,8:22 am

I don't have any dog in this fight but yeah when you have multi million dollar budget and im paying for this i want someone who has the education to run this county. Have you heard anything that Bob has done not to deserve to be our sheriff?

Posted by Memphis on Oct. 20 2014,8:57 am

CC, do you have a personal issue against Kurt? Seem like you are taking this to heart. A question I have asked myself over and over is why when something goes on in Kindlers department he seperates him self from it. Putting your head in the sand is not a leader at all. I'm also wondering what your relationship with Kurt is. You seem like he has made you a victim of some sort???

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 20 2014,5:57 pm

Well if you think Kindler is running the county financially well you are wrong. He started wanting a raise then went on to spending money remodeling his office which is in a new building at two different times. Bought himself two vehicles which I am sure he really needed with all the work he does sitting in the office with his door shut all day. Two different lawsuits and finally the Ice contract that he ran in the ground. That is what was making the county money and he didn't want it but when it came to election time he was for it till getting in office. It is barely running now and when they have the next forum come out and listen to him. He makes a fool out of himself because he cannot handle the heat of the questions asked trying to remember one lie from the last.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 20 2014,10:41 pm

Liberal, he could have simply called the LEC and requested an officer on duty come with to retrieve the sign. I agree that its his sign, and that its illegal to defame. But maybe it is true that he didn't put the sign there. Maybe some kids or someone pulling a smart prank put it there. Hard to say.

I guess, considering all that is going on in this race, I would think that he would have had his butt covered in doing that.

I still don't think its right that a person enters some ones yard without permission. However, it does strike a point, that if Jim didn't place it there, nor was behind it, then why did he try and stop Kurt from taking it. I guess I would have been fine with him taking his sign back, and left it at that.

Memphis, I guess I am not sure where you are coming from with that? I don't feel he has made me a victim of any sort.. In fact, in the beginning I thought he may be a good candidate, but my first selection would have been Glazier. Now its between Freitag and Kindler, and I just find it hard to vote for Kurt, considering all that has happened and how it has gone down. I can only base my decision upon what I perceive. And yes, that would make it personal. I do support Kindler, as in my opinion, he has the experience to back up his position.

As far as the financial decisions go, I am pretty sure someone stated either on here or on the Tribune, that the county board sets the budget, or is involved in it. So I don't place any merit to the statements made about Kindler spending too much. I don't know if the county board would even allow it??

My intent is to stir the pot a little, that's what gets people talking. That's how you find out where people stand and why. I appreciate all the different opinions. I can assure you , as you already know, that just because I voice my opinion, doesn't mean its fact.

So in the end, does it really matter if its personal, if I am angry, or if I feel he has made me a victim of some sort? I guess I don't think it does. It would be like me asking you guys, do you prefer white or wheat? Yes that's sarcasm

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 21 2014,1:42 am

Obviously that loon Bronson put the sign there or the douchebag wouldn't have molested Freitag when he tried to retrieve his stolen/damaged property.

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So I don't place any merit to the statements made about Kindler spending too much. I don't know if the county board would even allow it??

I'm guessing you've never attended a county commissioner meeting and have no idea how the budget process works.

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Now its between Freitag and Kindler, and I just find it hard to vote for Kurt, considering all that has happened and how it has gone down

Kindler, and/or his supporters have run the dirtiest campaign I can remember and you blame the victim? So, I'm guessing you're either related to Kindler, he signs your checks, or Freitag hurt your feelings at some point and you're a bitter person.

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So in the end, does it really matter if its personal, if I am angry, or if I feel he has made me a victim of some sort?

Absolutely. It shows you have a motive to be less than honest.

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My intent is to stir the pot a little, that's what gets people talking. That's how you find out where people stand and why. I appreciate all the different opinions. I can assure you , as you already know, that just because I voice my opinion, doesn't mean its fact.

Your intent was to attack Freitag for some personal reason. You don't really think that you're fooling anyone with that last post do you?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 21 2014,12:14 pm

Easymoney all the things that Kindler has done has been in the Budget and i don't think Kurt has the experience to Run a county with this kind of budget, How did Kindler run the ICE program into the ground? The government regulates how many people the jail can hold Kurt does not have that authority to say how many he wants. Of course moral is always low when you don't get along with your boss there has to be a reason why 3 Sheriffs have passed him up for promotions. When people hold you accountable for your job and you cant do anything you want you get mad, I think Bob makes everyone accountable for their job and this is just one of those cases. yeah i think when they do the forum people will see that Bob is the right guy for the job and then they name drop Marc Johnson how professional is that. Apparently there was a witness to Kurt and Bronson getting into it so maybe we should talk to the witness and get there take on what really happened.

Posted by Memphis on Oct. 21 2014,1:38 pm

Can you show me how Bob is being held accountable for lack of action??? Anybody who has ran against him has had "issues". A deputy tell a person to get a hold of the media. Shouldnt he be held accountable, they all where the same badge. So letting the media get ahold of a story is the best for the department. I would like to see accountability from the one running the department. Isteadhe just deflects things and puts his head in the sand. Dont get me wrong, I actually dont mind either of them, but I really have to question a leader when anytime somethings gors wron in his department he just says, I dont know, I'm staying out of it. His own deputy is telling a guy to call the media on the department. Does Bob or the department really need that? Was Johnspon held accountable by his leader for his actions?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 21 2014,3:01 pm

Also the forum user (Bradfordbrock) that posted the link to the anti-Freitag website did it from a courthouse computer during work hours and it looks like Kindler is staying out of that one too.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 21 2014,6:13 pm

Kinnickhawk- As for the ICE program Kindler is very much to blame for running it in the ground. I have heard from several different deputies how they were told to say the jail was full if they got a call to house illegals when it was not. Also he was against it when your Sheriff before him was bringing money into the county but as soon as he ran for Sheriff and people questioned it he was all for it till getting into office. Memphis and Liberal apparently can see thru all Kindlers dirty tactics. I do not call a person that stands back in the situations that have happened and he should have handled being the Sheriff a good choice to run the county. If I was Freitag I would go to the Attorney General over the sign with Bronson& Johnson, courthouse (Bradfordbrock), and the other crap Kindler Klan has pulled trying to make himself look better. It is not working to well for him but come on out to the Forum next week and watch him squirm when the questions start. :blush:

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 21 2014,7:22 pm

I watched the first time and Bob was right on with his answers and he did not squirm he was very professional at the forum.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 21 2014,9:18 pm

You call that professional when asked who they would pick for sheriff if they did not get elected and the other two answered then when it got to Kindler he acted like a child because he was p---ed. I wouldn't pick either of them was his childish attitude because he did not like hearing what they both said about him. And when he get's a question he don't want to answer it is I was not involved (referring to Glassier) Bull- He was very aware just a coward when confronted is more like it. Another situation of his head in the sand, huh?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 21 2014,10:54 pm

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Four years ago I wrote and posted on my website the last three paragraphs you see below. The message is as important today as it was then with one difference; I have proven that my leadership embraces all the core values that I described as being essential.

Many years ago I was given a small plaque that had a phrase written by the famous author Mark Twain. The inscription said, “Always do right. It will gratify some and astonish others.” It isn’t always easy to do what is right. In fact many times it would be easier to ignore problems, give excuses, lie, or not hold people accountable. However, as a Sheriff, I wouldn’t be doing the job you elected me to do if I were to take the easy way out and do any of those things. I would also be compromising my integrity and that is something I just won’t do, not even to win your vote.

Everyone seems to have a different way of defining “ethical” yet all the definitions are quite similar. When I asked other people what the word meant to them, I heard definitions that included, “Always doing what is right even when nobody is watching” or, “Being ethical includes the traits of being honest, trustworthy, and fair”. Still others included the words “morals” and “ integrity” in their definitions. Webster’s Dictionary, in one of its definitions, defines ethical as “conforming to the standards of conduct of a given profession or group”.

I personally like all of those definitions. Throughout my law enforcement career I have strived to do what is right while treating the public and the people I work with and supervise with respect, honesty, and fairness. In short, ethical values are very much a part of me.

For law enforcement agencies it is imperative that we treat everyone, be it victim, suspect, co-worker or any person we have contact with, to a standard of conduct that is honest, trustworthy and fair. It is those traits that give us integrity. As sheriff, I will continue to lead in a professional and ethical manner. The transformation of the Freeborn County Sheriff’s Office into an effective law enforcement agency demands it.

< http://www.sheriffkindler.com/ethics.html >

He must have lost the small plaque. :dunno:

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 21 2014,11:03 pm

Exactly Liberal- He better read and refresh his mind because that is a power quote that went out the window when he took office. :rockon:

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 21 2014,11:52 pm

Liberal,

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 22 2014,11:37 am

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Kindler said he was out of town when Freitag and Freitag’s wife allegedly had an altercation with Albert Lea man Jim Bronson over a political sign in Bronson’s yard. The sheriff said he did not send an investigator over to Bronson’s house to investigate. He said Freitag should have called police from the beginning to retrieve his sign.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...sheriff >

The Sheriff ackowledges the police have jurisdiction in the city, so why did a deputy go there to spend an hour telling the sign slob to go to the media? Why didn't they just have the ALPD look into it?

I'd bet money that they never expected the sign slob to tell the Tribune that Marc Johnson told him he should go to the media. And if Johnson was on duty he was clearly politicking on our dime. I wonder when KIMT will do that story.

Funny how the sheriff keeps saying he was out town like that somehow proves he had nothing to do with it. I'm guessing he has Marc Johnson on speed dial.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 22 2014,7:10 pm

My guess he was dealing with his Dad's Health at the time, kind of a low blow with that one Liberal. How do you know that Johnson told him to go to the Media? All the proof you have is I THINK...

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 22 2014,8:36 pm

QUOTE

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 23 2014,10:21 am

Letter to the editor showing why you shouldn't vote for Kindler and his buddy Johnson.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...-crimes >

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 23 2014,12:31 pm

Exactly Liberal and great letter for all to read. I also know of another incident with concern to FREEBORN COUNTY. A gal that was drunk driving and had a terrible accident by Conger never was followed up either with charges. It was just swept under the rug like several other things up there. Marc Johnson did not need to worry about looking like a fool either- If the shoe fits he should wear it

. What does he call it when he came around our town handing out homemade flyers running Freitag down not so long ago, I hope he don't think that made him look Intelligent.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Oct. 23 2014,1:11 pm

(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 22 2014,7:10 pm)

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My guess he was dealing with his Dad's Health at the time, kind of a low blow with that one Liberal. How do you know that Johnson told him to go to the Media? All the proof you have is I THINK...

I would like to point out here that Liberal quoted the paper...there was no "I think" involved in any way, shape, or form. This to me says you are busy sticking up for someone with all you have, and you seem to be grasping at straws. Makes me wonder how close to Kindler you really are...

That said, I grew up in a rural town (pop of approx. 5500 people). It was steeped with "good ol' boys" mentality. There were some dirty races, but NOTHING to this level. It started with Glaizer...and should have been a warning to everyone what would happen once the race was down to two. Has Freitag been completely above board, no...but honestly, he is human, and last I checked we all make mistakes. If I were in his place with the whole sign debacle, I am not sure I would have thought to bring someone from ALPD. I mean, honestly, would anyone have thought an officer would have been needed? He DID bring someone (who wound up being a witness, and who DID call ALPD when needed), which says he was trying to stay above board. He approached Jim off duty...again, something that is a plus in my mind. JD tried to sort it all out, and when he realized there was more to the story than what was being presented, he turned it over to another county...one that is no where near here...to investigate.

This then leads to what happened next. Any time a deputy goes to a citizen's house and says to take the case to the media is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed...unless he is trying to smear the person wronged. I don't care if it is for campaigning reasons or not. A person in law enforcement should NEVER council a citizen with this type of an issue to go to the media with is grievance, and then have absolutely NO charges brought. It has been my understanding (granted with somewhat limited information to pull from) that the sole purpose of the trip was made to advise Jim to go to the media...this AFTER JD turned it over to another jurisdiction to investigate. Strike one. Kindler then said he had absolutely nothing to do with it, as he was dealing with a family member's death out of state. Fine. Who did he leave in charge, and did THEY do anything to investigate internally/send a deputy? We may not know until after the election, but seriously...please don't insult my intelligence with the line of "I didn't order anyone there"...of course you didn't...you were out of state. To me, that would be a strike two, but that is a personal opinion.

Yes, Kindler has been playing ostrich...and yes, Freitag has made mistakes. In my eyes, Freitag has been more forthcoming, and had more integrity than Kindler during the race. As time nears the election, there seems to be an uptick of how great Kindler is, and how much of a bad choice Freitag is...with all the smear (sign issue, the website, the tape) tactics that can be done. To me, that is a final strike three...as even the Presidential elections haven't gotten this bad.

Posted by ICU812 on Oct. 23 2014,1:18 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,10:21 am)

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Letter to the editor showing why you shouldn't vote for Kindler and his buddy Johnson.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...-crimes >

I read that one and it was nice to get an actual event that happened showing why we should Support the Solution.

QUOTE

What does he call it when he came around our town handing out homemade flyers running Freitag down not so long ago, I hope he don't think that made him look Intelligent.

For real??? He was actually handing out the printed off stuff from the smear website??

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 23 2014,3:11 pm

Marc Johnson was handing out the flyers and talking to people but since he did not realize everyone is in the Kindler camp he stopped at some wrong houses trying to do his good friend work for Kindler. Also is the county suppose to pay for him to use time for this when he could be out doing what he really was hired for

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 23 2014,6:53 pm

I wonder if it's possible to file a Freedom Of Information request on a govsrnment IP address? Can yoi think of a valid reason for not giving out that information?

Posted by ICU812 on Oct. 23 2014,9:16 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,6:53 pm)

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I wonder if it's possible to file a Freedom Of Information request on a govsrnment IP address? Can yoi think of a valid reason for not giving out that information?

I bet that post made someone's butt pucker...

Posted by This is my real name on Oct. 23 2014,9:23 pm

(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 22 2014,7:10 pm)

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My guess he was dealing with his Dad's Health at the time, kind of a low blow with that one Liberal. How do you know that Johnson told him to go to the Media? All the proof you have is I THINK...

Johnson's wife works for the Tribune in the composition department. Just sayin'.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 23 2014,10:39 pm

Have you noticed these little keyboards occasionally make us look illiterate? :blush:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 24 2014,5:04 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,10:39 pm)

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Have you noticed these little keyboards occasionally make us look illiterate? :blush:

Quite humbling at times.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 24 2014,6:37 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,10:21 am)

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Letter to the editor showing why you shouldn't vote for Kindler and his buddy Johnson.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...-crimes >

Funny how you get your info from the opinions section of the Albert Lea tribune that makes me laugh... The opinions section seems like a reliable source... It seems you have made this about Marc Johnson not Bob Kindler and Kurt Freitag.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 24 2014,6:38 pm

Its all Charlie Brown to me...

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 24 2014,7:08 pm

Marc ran for office a while back. It looks like he was here.

QUOTE

QUOTE

Marc Johnson July 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Hi my name is Marc Johnson, I have never written on any of these sites before and this is the only reply I’m going to make. But a jailer called me a liar and I felt Jailer Darrel Turvold had better check his facts again before you call someone a liar.

After hearing about what you had written, I went and spoke to Ron Hunter at the radio station. He told me you called and you asked him what we (the candidates) had said on the radio. He told me his reply to you was: “he could not remember what any of the candidates had said about the ICE contract, “but to come down and listen to the recording yourself.”

I did listen to the recording with him and had heard nothing from my words saying I was against the ICE contract, the same information conversation I had with others and you the other day at a Union Meeting is the same as I wrote in the paper. This ICE contract is brought up for political purposes and either you are naive or working on the Sheriff’s campaign. As a recent hire, I hope your not being forced to spread false rumors against someone that isn’t loyal to one person.

On the radio, I did say I had concerns about the food the jail is serving and had discussed this with the jailers after my comments on the radio. I also brought up concerns about the information I had heard on the national news concerning the ICE detention centers going to a non-jail setting. I did not go into detail, as I was a bit nervous at that time. I will tell you now that having our jail turned into a non-secure housing for illegal immigrants where they will not be searched or changed into different clothing and be allowed to have physical contact and guests in the jail, who will also not be searched, is a concern I have for the jail staffs safety, which would be your safety.

I am NOT against the ICE contract at this time. I would like to have others listen to the recording and help to the stop these lies.

Marc Johnson
Candidate for Sheriff

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 25 2014,1:21 am

(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 24 2014,6:37 pm)

QUOTE

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,10:21 am)

QUOTE

Letter to the editor showing why you shouldn't vote for Kindler and his buddy Johnson.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...-crimes >

I don't think a letter to an editor explaining something like this is anything like a letter full of opinions from a guy like Westland that apparently got paid to drink coffee, hold up a wall, and gossip with the women that work in the court administrators office.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 25 2014,4:39 pm

Westland in the office :frusty:

, Johnson

, and Kindler at the debate :angry:

Now that is a trio :rofl:

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 25 2014,5:19 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 25 2014,1:21 am)

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(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 24 2014,6:37 pm)

QUOTE

(Liberal @ Oct. 23 2014,10:21 am)

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Letter to the editor showing why you shouldn't vote for Kindler and his buddy Johnson.

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...-crimes >

Do you work for the opinion section at the tribune? I still don't think you have a reliable source except the newspaper. you like to name drop alot and yes i would take my info from somebody who has worked up there with both of them and has worked there for over 30 years and does have facts on what goes on unless you work up there then i might believe you oh wait I forgot you don't you work there you work in the opinion sectional at the newspaper. Peoples opinions always must be true. :thumbsup:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 25 2014,6:47 pm

Worked there for 30 years? I think you mean he was employed there for 30 years. Turns out we didn't even need him, the wall's still standing long after he retired.

Name dropping? I don't think that means what you think that means. I also question if you understand what an opinion is. And my source was not the Tribune, my source the sign slob who was quoted in the Tribune.

I'm starting to think you're from Iowa.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 25 2014,6:47 pm

(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 25 2014,5:19 pm)

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i would take my info from somebody who has worked up there with both of them and has worked there for over 30 years and does have facts on what goes on

Isn't that just someone's opinion also?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 25 2014,7:18 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 25 2014,6:47 pm)

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Still worked for there for 30 years with both them thinking he has some insight on what goes on up there. Where you still get all of your info from the paper opinions quotes or whatever, but to me you are making this race between Marc and Kurt who cares if he told him to go the media apparently Marc doesn't want to work for Kurt.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 25 2014,7:20 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 25 2014,6:47 pm)

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(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 25 2014,5:19 pm)

QUOTE

i would take my info from somebody who has worked up there with both of them and has worked there for over 30 years and does have facts on what goes on

Isn't that just someone's opinion also?

Not when you worked up there and have Facts about what goes on.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2014,9:01 pm

^^^ in the world of politics facts are subjective.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 25 2014,10:27 pm

well you sound like Marc Johnsons wife that works at the tribune with your answers. He must not want to work for Kurt after all the dirt he has done along with his wife and Mom trying to run him down every chance they get along with Westland too.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 25 2014,10:28 pm

that is for kinnickhawk

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 25 2014,10:50 pm

Ill take 30 years of experience.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 26 2014,1:39 am

I read the tribune letter from Westland tonight and for him wanting people to believe him because of his years there he could not even tell the truth to that one. Westland was not promoted, he was hired from the jail as a patrol deputy and didn't make it long because of his stress with it and his MS flaring up as I remember. I guess you could say most his career was made up positions to justify his existence till the end holding up the wall and retirement. :rockon:

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 26 2014,8:48 am

EASYMONEY- Its one thing to comment on someone's opinion in the paper but when you bring up someone medical History that goes to a who other level. My guess you work up there with Kurt and Bob and you are hoping that if Kurt gets elected you will be promoted but to me this shows the people who do support kurt are like. Nothing but a joke, Do I know if Kurt would be a bad sheriff no, but one thing i do know is that Bob has done a great job running this county and the facts that Mr. Westland has put in his letter should say something since he has worked up there for 30 years. Putting someone medical history on the forum falls into the same category as the website. Get over yourself .comtom.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 28 2014,8:43 pm

He was pretty much worthless I would say as the rest of his career was pretty much made up positions to justify his existence. Also Kindlers buddy Malepsy rates right up there beside Westland, you call it a low blow but I call it the truth. What did he ever do in his career that would be worth mentioning? These are Kindlers campaign camp. Malepsy was even out crabbing at another law officer for putting a sign in his yard for Kurt. ( Freedom to vote the man he wants ) There are a lot more people out there for Kurt that he would have to visit if he only knew who they were. These are facts not Kindler lies like he ran his forum answers last night when asked questions he wasn't sure how to answer.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 28 2014,10:27 pm

(Easymoney @ Oct. 28 2014,8:43 pm)

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What Forum where you watching? Bob had educated and accurate answers and what was Bob lying about? Kurt would repeat and fumble over his words his rebuttals made no sense. At times i thought i was watching a skit from Saturday night live when Kurt would answer questions. Naming dropping Malepsy for freedom of speech classic. What did he do in his 30 years i don't know but according to you he held up walls and looks like he did a find job at that none have fallen down 2 drank coffee everyone drinks coffee so that was really was not a job that was just for fun and talking to the woman in the office was the 3rd maybe he just liked to talk to people.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 29 2014,1:16 am

Name dropping? I don't think that means what you think it means
Let me help you out.

QUOTE

name-drop·ping
noun
the practice of casually mentioning the names of famous people one knows or claims to know in order to impress others.

< http://www.google.com/search?...ropping >

And actually it was me that said he drank coffee and held up the wall because everytime I saw him he was leaning against that wall, drinking a cup of coffee, and chatting with the women that work there.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 29 2014,7:36 am

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 29 2014,7:47 am

Well if you looked at post 97 kinnickhawk would not know any better by that post saying "goes to a who other level". When Kindler gets asked a question about something he knows all about and he cannot answer it his reply is always "I removed myself from that and knew nothing about it" Being Sheriff he should know what is going on and be dealing with the issues. He knew about Glassier as he had the paperwork on his desk, the sign on Bronson's yard should have been handled different but of course the usual. The rotten paper Johnson was posting around you can bet he knew all about also as he never done a thing with that either. Since Kindler ran for Sheriff it has been the worst lies and dirtiest campaigns in the history of Freeborn County. Makes him look like a foolish child when others read all the crap coming from his little clan.

Posted by Carmen Lea on Oct. 29 2014,9:02 am

Presume I am John Q. Citizen. Since when can't I go and get my property in plain site in someone's yard. What kind of society do we live in where you don't have this right. He should get a medal for getting his sign. We do not have to act like a bunch of WORMS, just because the government wants us to be totally dependent on them. So who and how can anyone think they can investigate someone for being a good citizen, doing whats right, and picking up their property in plain site. That's BS. I applaud the ALPD for recognizing that. I do not agree with after the fact going in and manipulating, changing, soliciting action. That never would have happened if it wasn't an election year.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 29 2014,2:31 pm

You are 100% right Carmen Lea and a respectable Sheriff would have taken action on Bronson for the behavior as he did this in Kindlers last election also- Same guy and same place !!!!

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Oct. 29 2014,4:40 pm

I do have to say (rather sarcastically might I add) how the paper decided to throw endorsement behind Kindler. It is something that I think many could see coming. My question is this: Why is the paper endorsing ANY candidate for ANY office or reason??? The office of Sheriff is supposed to be non-partisan...and yet it seems as if the paper is treating it as if it is a partisan race. In their coverage of the debate, it seemed as if they were painting Freitag as nothing more than a whiner. Going back and reading the comments on this thread, I am beginning to think kinnekhawk (or whoever the person is) is someone affiliated with the paper...especially as easily they backed off once the paper endorsed Kindler. Just my thoughts.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 29 2014,7:07 pm

(Easymoney @ Oct. 29 2014,2:31 pm)

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You are 100% right Carmen Lea and a respectable Sheriff would have taken action on Bronson for the behavior as he did this in Kindlers last election also- Same guy and same place !!!!

I have never been to the tribune before. Easymoney you said a respectable Sheriff would have taken action on Bronson for the behavior well a respectable deputy would never had put himself in that situation. Mad man over a sign. chestbump was so 10 years ago. Easymoney every time i read your one sided post it makes me laugh and laugh and have a good time. Nice to see that paper did back Bob.

Posted by Carmen Lea on Oct. 29 2014,8:32 pm

A quote from the editorial endorsing Kindler: "In a union shop that also has elections, it’s a more difficult task to keep things on the right track because the union-protected staff can try to run the top cop out of a job." I hope they made this statement in error as it was pointed out in the debate, no candidate had union endorsement. Unions are good, they do not need negative press. You can loose your job just as fast, union or not. I know the union Deputies voted on their own who they wanted, possibly because they already had a cohesive group. JMO

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 29 2014,10:41 pm

I always vote for the candidate the Tribune endorses said no one ever.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 30 2014,7:04 am

kinnickhawk,

I have to say that I laugh at these replies as well. The basis for argument is the same that Frietag used for his campaign. Facts that cannot be proven and a bunch of whining. Its comical to say the least.

I will smile when Kindler is re- elected, and I do hope he takes on a more assertive role, and shows more presence this time around. That for sure has hurt his reputation in this election. However, I do agree that its his humble nature that has allowed him to take the approach he has.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 30 2014,7:29 am

(Concerned Citizen @ Oct. 30 2014,7:04 am)

QUOTE

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Oct. 30 2014,11:23 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 29 2014,10:41 pm)

QUOTE

I always vote for the candidate the Tribune endorses said no one ever.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Oct. 30 2014,11:30 am

Well, it seems that the Union disagrees with the Trib's nod to Kindler...

< Ooops >

Granted it doesn't seem like it was a big pool to pull from, but it DOES seem to say some have had enough.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 30 2014,4:37 pm

that fishwrap of a newspaper in Albert Lea is not worth the fifty cents it cost a day. They can be compared to Kindler, Johnson, and Westland because they don't know the truth if it hit them in the head. They run on dirty tactics and lies which I believe a lot of Freeborn County is fed up with and can see thru now. :notworthy:

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 30 2014,6:40 pm

(Easymoney @ Oct. 30 2014,4:37 pm)

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That fishwrap paper is the biggerst paper in freeborn county what do you think USA Today is going to cover this race? I think your MO is complaining and personal attacks Lets us know when you quit crying. Once again i was laughing at what you wrote its comical. Vote for Bob. Personal Tacks sounds like Bob's opponent to me...

Posted by Carmen Lea on Oct. 30 2014,7:16 pm

What are the odds that the two deputies that filed for Sheriff against the incumbent would be the only two deputies to be put under investigation for misconduct in who knows how long? Harig didn't put Kindler or Johnson under investigation, or did he? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 30 2014,7:29 pm

My guess they did something to put under administrative leave...or is it just dirty tactics from Bob? My guess you will say it is dirty tactics. Womp Womp Charlie Brown.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Oct. 30 2014,7:37 pm

I'm going to start putting on my hip waders when I come to look through some of these posts.. Its deep, that's for sure

Oh and Kurt, get your FACTS straight before you make public accusations that you can never back up.. Goes back to my original post, it makes you look terrible..

:angry:

Frietag in the news... :rofl:

Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2014,7:54 pm

Here is a debate between them - (Not sure why they couldn't each have their own mic)

< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...index=3 >

Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 30 2014,7:58 pm

I found the comments about trying to make profits off of jails and people on the Interstates rather disconcerting.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 30 2014,10:07 pm

After watching the news tonight Dale and Kurt are acting like a bunch of babies. Kurt trying to get one last push at some votes.

Posted by Easymoney on Oct. 30 2014,11:04 pm

Talk about trying for one last push for votes- Kindler on the news TRYING to straighten out things, His 2 rear cheeks Westland and Malepsy still writing letters in the fishwrap trying to change peoples minds on who to vote for when they already have made up their minds over all the crap they have pulled during this election. Also the thing Kindler thought as his big accomplishment "Good Samaritain Home Abuse case" on the news tonight. They said abuse on a vulnerable adult is a felony since this case. He really did his work, those brats got a slap on the fingers but if it had been a guy they would have had the books thru at them. When Kindlers wife worked at the front desk out there he should have removed himself from that like everything else he does. Speaks high volume of him again !!!!

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 31 2014,8:39 am

(Easymoney @ Oct. 30 2014,11:04 pm)

QUOTE

You done complaining and crying?

Posted by Carmen Lea on Oct. 31 2014,10:01 am

I haven't decided who to vote against yet. I noticed this on the news last night, Kindler has been saying it was county policy to suspend deputies during investigations, and he has nothing to do with it. Kluever said that it is the right of an elected official to request the suspension, and that's how it happens. Maybe someone with inside knowledge on that could explain it, I'm confused.

Posted by ICU812 on Oct. 31 2014,10:15 am

< Scandal after scandal. >

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 31 2014,12:42 pm

If I was a voting man in Freeborn County yet, I don't think I could vote for either one of them. :dunno:

I see traits and characteristics I wouldn't want in a sheriff in both of them.

Hasn't that kind of become what elections are all about anymore?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2014,1:15 pm

Why does it take a week to release the name of the person accused of the data breach? It's nothing that requires more than about 30 mins to investigate so why the week long wait?.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 31 2014,4:11 pm

Maybe Bambino is pulling the strings.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2014,4:14 pm

Who is Bambino?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 31 2014,5:04 pm

Lets put this whole race into perspective. Who do we really want as a sheriff some one who strong arms his way or someone who does what is Right for this county? Do you want someone who is going off a credit score as his basis for running a budget or do you want someone who has gone to the University Of Minnesota and has a degree in business? Do you want someone who uses personal attacks on people? or do you want someone that will actually do what is right and hold people accountable? And your right I don't think Kurt Freitag has what it takes to run this county no i have never met Kurt in my life and i don't know what kind of person he really is but i what i have read watched and heard from people Kurt is not the right person for this job, last night kind said it all, Yes there is reason why Dale and Kurt have been put on administrative leave for there actions, the reverse question is what if Bob hadn't done what he did then that makes him look like a sheriff who wasn't doing his job. Yes i do believe Kurt and Dale were trying to get some last minute votes for they have now made this department divided with there bad attitudes and yes i do believe that Kurt is a employee who has been held accountable for his actions and he just cant do what he wants. Lets just hope people make the right choice because the next 4 years could be bad for this county if we don't vote for Bob.

Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2014,7:00 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2014,1:15 pm)

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Why does it take a week to release the name of the person accused of the data breach? It's nothing that requires more than about 30 mins to investigate so why the week long wait?.

It's starting to remind me of that game-show Let's Make a Deal, where they have you pick one of three doors.

Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 31 2014,7:07 pm

I first heard this debate on the radio. Later I watched the video version. My opinion wasn't swayed significantly. But it did alter it slightly.

So much of communication is nonverbal.

The visual thing can really be a two edged sword though. If you start getting too captivated/enamored/mesmerized/enchanted in someone's waxed eyebrows and starched French collared shirts: Next thing you know you have a dredge boat you don't need sitting in some guy's kid's shed.

It definitely made me think of this:

QUOTE

On this day in 1960, Massachusetts Democratic Senator John F. Kennedy and Republican Vice President Richard M. Nixon face each other in a nationally televised presidential campaign debate.

The debate ushered in an era in which television would dominate political campaigns. The immediacy and power of television worked well for candidates who could think on their feet and knew how to play to the audience. At the first of four debates, Kennedy arrived looking well-groomed and confident, while his opponent Nixon, who had just been released from the hospital after two weeks recuperating from a badly injured knee, appeared haggard and was sporting a "5 o'clock shadow" or light beard. Although he arrived in a wrinkled suit and appeared underweight and had a grayish pallor, Nixon refused the assistance of a makeup artist, a decision he likely later regretted. Kennedy clearly "won" the debate, a fact attributable to both his superior comfort level with the new communication medium and his "telegenic" good looks.

According to the Museum of Broadcast History, radio listeners considered Nixon's answers to questions to be more substantive and gave Nixon the advantage over Kennedy after the first debate. By contrast, television viewers gave Kennedy the edge, as their impressions were based on how the candidate looked as much as what he said.

Nixon's negative experience with televised debates led him to refuse to engage in such debates during the 1968 and 1972 campaigns.

< http://www.history.com/this-da...-debate >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2014,7:49 pm

(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 31 2014,5:04 pm)

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What personal attacks?

Most people I've talked to say that Kindler is the one using strong arms tactics. What strong arm tactics did Freitag use?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2014,8:19 pm

Nevermind, I just realized that you were parroting expressions again without understanding the meaning behind them.

I haven't heard any personal attacks come from either side, and the only thing close to strong arm tactics would be the Sheriff' s "investigations" of candidates that oppose him. Even then I think I'd call that chickenshi.. tactics more than strong arm tactics. There are rumors that a certain deputy has stopped at homes with a Freitag sign to tell them that Kindler was a better choice, while on duty. If it's true that would possibly be considered strong arm tactics.

You should consider running the phrase through google to see if it means what you're trying to say before you use it.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Oct. 31 2014,8:52 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 31 2014,7:49 pm)

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(kinnickhawk @ Oct. 31 2014,5:04 pm)

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What personal attacks?

Most people I've talked to say that Kindler is the one using strong arms tactics. What strong arm tactics did Freitag use?

Personal attacks on Bob last night on the news when Freitag like my opponent is not a victim and at the forum when he says Bob knows who made the website, Call Kindlers Sargent s incompedent. Those are personal attacks not once did Bob say anything bad about Kurt unless he had facts to back it up.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 31 2014,11:01 pm

No, once again, I don't think that means what you think it means.

A personal attack is really self defining but let me try to explain it. A personal attack is when someone brings up something personal and usually not relevant to the position sought. Like if one side brought up their opponents marriage or other personal relationships.

Or like when I ask you if you went to school in Iowa because you're dumber than a bag of hammers.

Who was it in the letters to the editor that accused Freitag of personal attacks when they were not personal attacks? How is it possible that multiple Kindler supporters don't know what personal attacks are but accuse the opponent of using them?

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 01 2014,7:05 am

The man with 10,000 opinions OK.

Posted by Carmen Lea on Nov. 01 2014,7:28 am

There are requirements for filing for the position of Sheriff. The requirements were set up so we get competent people running. Meet the requirements you can run for the position. End of story. These requirements are the requirements needed to do the job. I look at that as a way the public keeps their say in who gets the job. Gives us CHOICE. Otherwise we will just have professional politicians, people that went to school with the sole purpose for running for office as a professional politician. Just another thing we would be giving up. Both candidates are totally qualified. I'm not using any criticism of eithers qualifications to make my choice. .I'm looking at honesty, responsibility, and life experience. Still haven't made up my mind.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 01 2014,12:40 pm

A point was brought out while I was discussing our current sheriff race with someone.

If I were current Sheriff, and I had the results of pending investigations...and they pointed to the fact that I was in the RIGHT...would I be sitting on those results until AFTER the elections??

Let me put it this way: By sitting on the results of the investigations until AFTER the election like Kindler is...isn't that basically pointing out to everyone that just MAYBE Freitag was in the right, and he was in the wrong?? I mean, if Freitag was found guilty, wouldn't you as the incumbent WANT people to know that??

I keep getting the feeling that Kindler is some kind of mafia boss or something by his actions...or lack of actions at times. Especially as we keep getting closer and closer to the election, and it seems more and more finger pointing is done towards Freitag...yet the head keeps getting buried farther and farther in the sand....

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 01 2014,3:33 pm

Excellent point ControlledHyperness- It is just like the lawsuit that will be coming out that's in Federal Court after the election. When a lawsuit cost the count money it will affect more than just paying money to the party, Your grants that get applied for will be frowned on and some even turned down so when your roads, lake, and other things go to h### Thank Kindler !!!!!!

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 01 2014,3:49 pm

Also the last three and a half years have been the worst in Freeborn County for the Union lawyer as he has spent more time dealing with discipline of a department of 12 deputies than he does for the entire Hennepin County deputies which is over 200 in count. Don't this make you wonder what the problem is since he has to be involved and Kindler was not able to straighten things out - In the past years before Kindler this was unheard of happening anywhere this much. ( Get rid of Kindler= Problem Solved )

Posted by Carmen Lea on Nov. 01 2014,8:57 pm

After seeing the news on James Bronson complaining about Freitag, and the letter from Mr. Martinez in Glenville, I have come to this conclusion, how desperate can they be?
They chose their side, I choose mine, Kurt Freitag gets my vote for Sheriff.

And come on, out of 68 people how many of them are "CURRENTLY LICENSED, SWORN FULL TIME PEACE OFFICERS AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO CALLS."? Maybe 16 of the 68. The rest are correction, part time transport, dispatchers, secretaries, cook, nurse, and a couple trustees who wash cars.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 02 2014,12:02 am

(Carmen Lea @ Nov. 01 2014,8:57 pm)

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I dont think i would call any of this desperate what you are forgetting most the people talking and supporting Bob have worked up there with both Bob and Kurt just something to think about before people vote. Why the deputies might be voting they way they are is because Bob is making them accountable and when Harig was in there he let people do what they wanted without consequences. I know alot people get biases because of friendships and dont look at facts but what i have done threw this whole process is look at the people who have the inside and not ONE person who is supporting Kurt has said anything.

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 02 2014,12:40 am

kinnickhawk - Those two Muppets or Puppets whatever they called them in the paper were worthless while working themselves so a person certainly cannot go by that as a indication of worthiness. What are you going to say when it comes out about the Data Breach they have wrote up in the fishwrap ? You stated Bob holds people accountable WELL that is what the public needs to do now to Bob with all this unnecessary investigation, loss of thousands of dollars over the Glassier time off that only happened because of timing or never would have. Oh that's right Kindler knew nothing again and that is our accountable Sheriff !!!!! :dunce:

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 02 2014,12:42 am

I'm sure if he were to get a chance at another term he would need to try and sue the county again for more money also.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 02 2014,6:42 am

(Easymoney @ Nov. 02 2014,12:40 am)

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Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 02 2014,2:03 pm

Free Tag/ Fry Tag seemed to praise the last sheriff. Are all the, anti- current sheriff people, just disgruntled fallout from the last election?

Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 02 2014,2:05 pm

Also I can't believe how many people there are, that 'still' get bogged down in these sign problems. Somewhere, every election season, all over the country something happens.

Who was it that wrote that it was so 10 years ago? lol

Were they talking abouit Grace was it?

Granted that was a slightly different circumstance. It wasn't 'her' sign.

But. . .

I've yet to read about any kind of sign incident that made any one involved look good.

It makes you look thin skinned and not in control of your faculties as they say. IMO

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 02 2014,4:14 pm

(Easymoney @ Nov. 02 2014,12:42 am)

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I'm sure if he were to get a chance at another term he would need to try and sue the county again for more money also.

Are you done crying? Just wondering. You sound like Charlie Brown. Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp...

Posted by Joink on Nov. 02 2014,8:04 pm

Wow! I just watched the sheriff debate on PBS. According to Kurt Freitag there is going to be a mass exodus of employees from the Freeborn County sheriff dept if he does not win. That is totally an absurd statement. So I will assume Kurt Freitag will be resigning on Wednesday if he doesn't win. :rofl:

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 02 2014,8:16 pm

(Joink @ Nov. 02 2014,8:04 pm)

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Posted by gypsy84 on Nov. 03 2014,11:21 am

Here is what I find interesting that Kurt at first used his name on this forum and then when he went to name calling he used the name easymoney.
Freeborn County will be in for a big wake up call if he is elected and it won't be pretty.
As people have said Kindler was promoted numerous times under numerous Sheriff's. Kurt was not. Kurt continues to talk about his service to our country. That is wonderful he did that, but being in the armed forces does not make a quality person every time. If he had been promoted once in all his years with the county he would have something to stand on, but he hasn't.
Kurt, or Easymoney karma isn't nice and it will come back at you.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 03 2014,12:05 pm

Here's what I find interesting.

Wood worms tend to come out in elections when they feel their candidate needs help.

Posted by Carmen Lea on Nov. 03 2014,12:33 pm

(gypsy84 @ Nov. 03 2014,11:21 am)

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Kindler was hired by Sheriff Nolander, and was promoted by Sheriff Nolander, and only Sheriff Nolander. NO NUMEROUS SHERIFFS.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 03 2014,4:25 pm

(gypsy84 @ Nov. 03 2014,11:21 am)

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Here is what I find interesting that Kurt at first used his name on this forum and then when he went to name calling he used the name easymoney.

I now have a question...and I ask because maybe I am missing something.

How do you know that Kurt is under the pseudonym of Easymoney???

Over the years, quite a few people use names, and yes, even puppet others. This never made them be the person they were accused of being. An example of this would be several people accusing me of being a male locked up in a basement somewhere (and we ALL know by now..I hope...that I am NOT that person :rofl:

)

Personally, I don't think Easymoney IS Kurt. Might be a friend...or it might be a fellow worker who doesn't want to get caught supporting someone other than Kindler...I don't know. It doesn't matter. I have yet to see names being called in regards to Kindler...to other posters, yes. But even Liberal does that from time to time.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 03 2014,4:33 pm

(gypsy84 @ Nov. 03 2014,11:21 am)

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Freeborn County will be in for a big wake up call if he is elected and it won't be pretty.

The way I see it, the entire county will be in for a big wake up call...and possibly a Sheriff we can't get rid of in years to come...if Kindler is elected. I know quite a few people are viewing this as electing the lesser of the two evils. I am not...I KNOW who I am going to vote for, and someone who has thrown more mud than Obama in the last two elections combined is NOT it. To make it clear...it won't be Kindler. Even if he isn't as big and bad and mean as some make him, he lost some serious points in my mind with the past few incidents. The sign...he could have totally taken control (once he got back) and distanced himself...made himself look really good. Instead, he has ducked and covered...and kept a report under wraps that frankly, shouldn't have even been filed (does the Sheriff not trust the ALPD?).

Funny thing about karma. It usually hits the person that throws out the threat first. I may not be savvy in elections, but even I can spot a threat as thinly veiled as that. And you make snide comments about Kurt being Easymoney to hide namecalling....

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 03 2014,4:59 pm

(ControlledHyperness @ Nov. 03 2014,4:25 pm)

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How do you know that Kurt is under the pseudonym of Easymoney???

I'd say gypsy84 is shooting blanks.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 03 2014,5:56 pm

(gypsy84 @ Nov. 03 2014,11:21 am)

QUOTE

Easymoney and kurt do have similar characteristics, blame other people. Kurt made me laugh at the forum and Easymoney made me laugh on the forum same person same agenda. Maybe?

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 03 2014,5:56 pm

(MADDOG @ Nov. 03 2014,4:59 pm)

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(ControlledHyperness @ Nov. 03 2014,4:25 pm)

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How do you know that Kurt is under the pseudonym of Easymoney???

I'd say gypsy84 is shooting blanks.

Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 03 2014,6:44 pm

KSMQ Round-Table Discussion, Election 2014 - Freeborn County Sheriff -

< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsYgpguQRco >

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 03 2014,7:15 pm

(hymiebravo @ Nov. 03 2014,6:44 pm)

QUOTE

KSMQ Round-Table Discussion, Election 2014 - Freeborn County Sheriff -

< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsYgpguQRco >

Bob did a great job answering questions. Right of course the moral is at a all time low when you are running for a position. So what your saying Kurt if Bob is Elected we might not have any patrol men left so what your saying those guys all have jobs already somewhere else? My guess he dosent understand how the ICE contract works.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 03 2014,7:38 pm

Is Kurt and Robert Hoffman having there election party together tomorrow?

Posted by Average Citizen on Nov. 03 2014,9:50 pm

I have been reading all of the comments from the beginning. Some have been great, some are so-so, some are pro-kindler, some pro-freitag, and some are just out right pathetic. Before I begin, let's start with some clean air. I do think that the sheriff's base pay should be higher than any of the other employees within the sheriff's office base pay, before any overtime is added to their income. I also believe that the office needs to be led with genuine leadership, as well as respect for others. Not with a good ol’ boys style leadership of favoritism to get promotions. Let's now start talking about what the real issues are within this divided department are, and the things that we do know. Mr. Kindler claims to have saved money, made the department more efficient, increased patrol presence, and reduced needless overtime. The tribune also stated in their endorsement letter that the county commissioners respect his budgeting skills! Then Mr. Kindler states in an added letter included in his campaign flyer since the primary that he is well educated, experienced in all aspects of law enforcement. He claims to have demonstrated an unparalleled command of the budget by eliminating wasteful spending and using our tax dollars to provide the services we expect. He also makes a personal attack on his opponent in that letter, quote," A person with experience only in patrol and without business or employee management training is ill-prepared and not well suited for the position." as quoted from Mr. Kindler in his enclosed letter. Also says, that four years ago that we as citizens placed our trust in him to improve and properly manage the Sheriff's office. Also claims he did just that, and more, and a lot more. He even claims to have done it in a way that was without controversy or scandal. WOW, WOW, WOW, Mr. Kindler, and his supporters, how can claims like this be made, I ask?

?
1. In December 2010, Kindler filed a salary appeal due to disagreeing to the $75,000 base salary, that the county had decided upon, prior to Kindler filing for candidacy. I am wondering how much the appeals process cost the county taxpayers. Then when the county denied his requests, it went to district court and again denied. I was wondering, does this mean the commissioners respect his budgeting skills? I doubt it!!!
2. Controversy and/or scandals. The Corey Farris investigation, he resigns. The auditors report about Mark Harig and Mark Roche, in regards to the purchase of firearms. What a coincidence that this was brought to light after the election. The incident with the civil process department, that Mr. Kindler forgets to tell everyone that he supervised. But with his experience in management, he somehow missed. WOW, what a great example of leadership lacking. Then the Pena incident. I don't support harassment in the workplace of any type. But if Pena and his attorneys didn't think they had a chance of winning this case, why are they going to the federal courts with the case? Then the Dale Glazier case, that Mr. Kindler claimed to know nothing about. It didn't take a rocket scientist to catch Mr. Kindlers' hands in the cookie jar with this one. He claimed in the 1st debate he knew nothing, but in the next sentence admitted it was on his desk for a week before doing anything with it. Either he knew or was lying, you can decide. another example of his political ploys. Then the anti-Freitag website and sign incident. If Mr. Kindler was the great manager and detective that he was supposed to have been, he should be able to figure out who started the website, or least had a well trained detective, that has had the extra training since Mr. Kindler took over as sheriff, figure this one out. But again, is this a sign of great management, leadership, educated, or is this a sign of lack of competency that is needed to lead our sheriff's office in direction we can be proud of. Again you can decide for yourself.
3. He has claimed to be a victim in this election, but yet he soon forgets that himself and his campaign started the dirty politics first. This was started by the quote I mentioned earlier, that was used in Mr. Kindlers' letter. As one may have no choice but to ask ourselves, is Mr. Kindler and his campaign really innocent or not in the various dirty tactics used against Mr. Freitag. I personally think that if they were innocent, the current sheriff's administration would be doing more about it. Or is it they are afraid of being caught in the act of dirty politics. You can again decide.
4. He has claimed to have said the sign incident was as an issue to be completed by the Albert Lea PD, but yet sent a detective to talk to the homeowner to further investigate the matter, or as the individual told the press, he was told to take his story to the media. As a detective, why would you hamper an investigation by telling a so called victim to take their story to the media? Or was this another of the numerous dirty political plays by the Kindler for sheriff camp. This was also the same detective that couldn’t solve a crime of theft, that the owner of the property, sure did on his own. The detective claimed, that there was nothing he could do for the victim. But, later with a letter to the local paper, he criticized the victim. Is that the kind of ethics we deserve from the sheriff or his puppet supporters? I sure don’t!!!
5. I really like how the Tribune claims, that Mr. Frietag was hotheaded during the debates. I strongly disagree with their observation. I would have to say it was an example of someone that is firm in their beliefs, with a leadership, and management attitude that wants to make a change for the betterment of our Sheriffs office, and one that we as citizens of Freeborn County can be proud of!!! I would have to say that with my experience with family members and friends that have been in the military, would say that, Mr. Freitag wouldn't have been in there for 20 years without any type of leadership, budget, and management training of some sort, let alone without having some experience in those various roles. Besides, I would support someone with a military background versus one without. As, a general rule of employment most candidates with military or veteran backgrounds usually get extra points when it comes to filling jobs. So what does that say? Sounds like to me that Mr. Freitag would make a better choice.
6. Then you have a independent investigation recently completed by Laura Lee with KAAL, in regards to the division within the Sheriff's office. What a coincidence that she would spend countless hours, days, and few weeks about this. Let's see maybe she as an outsider felt that these issues needed to be addressed about the current administration, especially since the issues involve Freeborn County, and NOT Mower County. I would have to assume that she is concerned about the citizens of our county, and wants everyone to be aware of the controversies in the Freeborn County Sheriff's office. An out of county unbiased perspective. I am proud of the work she went through to help us citizens make an informative decision on Tuesday November 4, 2014.

I will end my thoughts and perspective on the current sheriff's race in Freeborn County. I have respect for those of you that will take the time to read my article here. I have done this with due diligence and research. I could go on and on about more issues, but I am sure you have kept up to date with all of the news lately, especially if you take the time to read this article. It will also prove that you care about this race as much as I do. I truly believe that Mr. Feitag will do an outstanding job as Sheriff, if given the fair and honest chance to prove himself. Remember, as a newly elected official, there are always classes they attend to help them be better leaders, in their positions, so for Kindler to say that Mr. Freitag is lacking the knowledge and experience is bizarre. Has he forgot that he also started with no experience like everyone else before him has done. Classroom training only works in perfect environments, with no chance of distractions, that doesn't always work in the real world. I am a firm believer in OJT(On the Job Training) and common sense leadership, which most of us have had to do at some point in time. So, I encourage you to give Mr. Freitag the same opportunity to prove himself, as you did Mr. Kindler. Unfortunately he failed on us, and wants another 4 years, to try and accomplish what he promised 4 years ago. Ask, yourself, would your job give you 4 years to learn your job, or not. I know mine, would not, maybe 90 days, then it’s all serious business from there. Please support Mr. Freitag, by voting for him on Tuesday, November 4, 2014 and "Support The Solution"!!!! Thanks for your time in reading this. I will be voting for MR. KURT FREITAG, proudly due to is moral, ethical, and intelligent background, as well as supporting a veteran!!! Good Luck Kurt!!

Posted by Joink on Nov. 03 2014,10:17 pm

Congratulations on excerising your right to vote. You can vote for any candidate you want. If you truly followed this campaign from a outside voter perspective without any knowledge of either candidate you would re-elect Andy and send Barney down the road to police somewhere else. We really don't need some chest bumping thug that does not understand what the job entails. Bob Kindler has been placed into a damned if do damned if you don't position by Kurt with his acquisitions that the sheriff is behind the negativity. Kurt has created his own negativity. If he is a man of "his word" he displayed on KMSQ he will resign on Wednesday. I am voting Bob Kindler in this election and probably the next one too.

Posted by Santorini on Nov. 03 2014,10:54 pm

I don't think I've posted since the school referendum...
Just wanted to check it out.
And Wow...
This race has apparently really gotten ugly...
I, for one, absolutely find candidates attacking each other a reflection of their character...
This strategy of attacking as an attempt at mass public persuasion sometimes backfires...not all of us thrive on negative mud slinging...
These two gentlemen are vying for a respectable county position & their campaigns should reflect that respect.
Both of these officers have qualities that make them good candidates...
Remember that many of us don't make our voting choices based on rumor & innuendo...
Good Luck to both.

Posted by Wolfie on Nov. 04 2014,5:25 pm

So what exactly was the web address for the anti freitag page, cant seem to locate it.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 04 2014,5:39 pm

< Http://www.Frietagforsheriff.com > it was originally posted under the Hoffman thread.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 04 2014,5:43 pm

I just looked at it and it's been deleted, the only thing left is google search code.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 04 2014,5:49 pm

Of course google caches pages so it's still in google.

< http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?...he:http >

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 04 2014,9:41 pm

(Average Citizen @ Nov. 03 2014,9:50 pm)

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This was also the same detective that couldn’t solve a crime of theft, that the owner of the property, sure did on his own. The detective claimed, that there was nothing he could do for the victim. But, later with a letter to the local paper, he criticized the victim.

I know the said victim in this case, and went back to read the letter that Mr. Johnson wrote in response to the victim's letter. I agree...he was a bit too critical, and a bit whiny as well. What I CAN"T get over, however, is why he felt the need to call the victim a liar? The victim has no need to lie about this, and if memory serves me correctly, he had asked Mr. Johnson to meet him at the place so he could show the video of the guy coming in. I would seriously have some questions about a Sheriff candidate whose lead detective is calling victims liars. I'd also be concerned about the fact that he responded to the victim's letter, but closed out with why he would be voting for Kindler, and how Freitag is actually the bad guy. Can someone PLEASE explain to me how a response to a victim (in order to straighten out the situation of course) becomes a platform for an election???

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 04 2014,9:57 pm

36 of 40 precincts counted. I'd say we're going to have a new sheriff

QUOTE

Freeborn County Sheriff

Bob Kindler* 4,482

Kurt Freitag 5,603

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...results >

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 04 2014,10:04 pm

(Liberal @ Nov. 04 2014,9:57 pm)

QUOTE

36 of 40 precincts counted. I'd say we're going to have a new sheriff

QUOTE

Freeborn County Sheriff

Bob Kindler* 4,482

Kurt Freitag 5,603

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2014...results >

I think the people have spoken...quite loudly.

I am cautiously optimistic though. The remaining 4 precincts are in Albert Lea proper...here is hoping the lead stays....

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 04 2014,10:07 pm

I only hope kurt will be able to do this job for our county.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 04 2014,10:15 pm

(kinnickhawk @ Nov. 04 2014,10:07 pm)

QUOTE

I only hope kurt will be able to do this job for our county.

I honestly think he will do a better job than Kindler. I do not know either of them personally...but I DO listen very well. While a lot was said by each person, even more was said by what WASN"T voiced. I think with Freitag winning by 995 votes, a LOT was said. The majority of his votes came in from the county...THAT says a TON to me.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 04 2014,10:17 pm

Lets hope he can be that leader like he says he can.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 04 2014,10:17 pm

All precints are in and Freitag won by 1000 votes.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Nov. 04 2014,10:18 pm

Either way, I am looking forward to all of this coming to an end. I agree kinnickhawk, I hope Kurt is going to do what needs to be done. Its been troubling to decipher what is true and what is not. I was pushing for Kindler as it seemed he was the man, but I have to admit, I did hesitantly vote for Kurt. Its only one vote I know, but to me it was an important one. I just hope things get settled down and if it is that bad, straightened out.

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Nov. 04 2014,10:19 pm

Liberal, you swayed my judgment :notworthy:

Posted by Concerned Citizen on Nov. 04 2014,10:20 pm

Good luck to him. Time will show if he is going to live up to what he preached

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 04 2014,10:53 pm

Well Kindlers nasty tactics and the fishwrap did not pay off- The people of Freeborn County have spoken. Kurt will be awesome and now the department can start mending. What a great turn out for him tonight ----Congrats Kurt !!!!!!! You see what honesty done tonight.

Posted by ICU812 on Nov. 05 2014,8:56 am

Kurt did a good job on the trail.

Two things would have got Kindler closer to a win or maybe even win. But the Glazier placed on leave tactic and the smear website really f'ed him in my opinion.

I would go as far as saying the guy whose picture is connected to the website on the Tribune's site is the biggest reason he lost.

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 05 2014,11:50 am

It will be interesting for sure to find out the details of the investigations...and what they found out. I mean, now that the election is over we will find out...right?

(thinking back to the Glaizer investigation, and how that all panned out)

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 05 2014,12:38 pm

I wonder if deputy Johnson cried himself to sleep last night. :dunno:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2014,12:56 pm

You know Lib, you got Kurt elected and if he's no good the masses will come for you with pitch forks. :blush:

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 05 2014,1:19 pm

It wasn't me, I think it was Kindler and Johnson that got him elected.

Posted by Memphis on Nov. 05 2014,1:35 pm

Agreed Liberal, they were the best of his team when it came down too it. Wonder what Johnson is doing today???

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 05 2014,2:07 pm

Working on his resume, is my guess.

Posted by Memphis on Nov. 05 2014,2:26 pm

He is a fine writer!

Posted by ControlledHyperness on Nov. 05 2014,4:27 pm

(Memphis @ Nov. 05 2014,2:26 pm)

QUOTE

He is a fine writer!

And I have heard he has some pretty good persuasive skills as well...

:rofl:

Posted by Alfy Packer on Nov. 05 2014,4:27 pm

Kindler was not effective. All of the investigation of his department being conducted outside of his department looked very bad. The final blow for me was when county admin stated that the sharif departments computers appear to have been hacked. It just started to look like nobody was in charge of the zoo.

I question that Fruitag is the answer. I hope I'm wrong for all of our sake, but it was so hard to watching Kindler failing to crack down on endless nonsense that was under his leadership.

Posted by TheHill on Nov. 05 2014,5:14 pm

I don't know that it would have made the difference, but I think the website backfired and hurt Kindler.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 05 2014,8:37 pm

All I can say its time for Kurt to show everyone who voted for him why they should have. Still Believe in Kindler.

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 05 2014,11:24 pm

Westland, Malepsy, Johnson, and Kindler should all be applauded for getting Kurt elected for FREEBORN COUNTY SHERIFF. Also lets not forget their families, Bronson, and the Fishwrap (Tim) because all the nasty stuff they done along with lies only hurt themselves. We had a wonderful time at the Cove during the election results coming in so I hope Kindlers party had as much fun !!!!!

Posted by Memphis on Nov. 06 2014,8:03 am

Perhaps they had a mass resume writting party after the results came in!

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 06 2014,3:16 pm

I always wondered how awkward the deputies feel going back to work the day after an election.

I mean do the opponents and their supporters avoid each other in the hallways? :rofl:

Congratulations Kurt...and to all who won on Tuesday.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 06 2014,7:20 pm

(Easymoney @ Nov. 05 2014,11:24 pm)

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Well see in 4 years when Kurt wont be able to do what he promised.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 06 2014,7:20 pm

Easymoney you are still a joke...

Posted by Easymoney on Nov. 07 2014,12:04 am

kinnickhawk is sore because of being so wrong about Kindler . Kurt has to clean up the mess he left behind and will do a better job than Kindler any day of the week, month, year, ect. But before the next election take a class in spelling so you look a little smarter than the post you put on here. What is beadle anyway

Posted by Carmen Lea on Nov. 07 2014,6:23 am

Kinnickhawk, I'll give Kindler a lot of credit. He didn't have anything to do with any of the dirty politics. Neither did Freitag. I don't think it had any effect on the election at all, and it was only a bunch of nothing. The voters also didn't believe any of it, or give any credit to any of it. The voters ignored it, and it didn't have any effect on their decisions. The voters voted for the one they wanted as their Sheriff.

Posted by kinnickhawk on Nov. 07 2014,8:45 pm

(Easymoney @ Nov. 07 2014,12:04 am)

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What mess? The only mess that there is a person who was elected sheriff and doesn't know how to run a budget. Only has a law enforcement degree im pretty sure that doesn't qualify as a business degree and maybe he will hire his wife to run his budget for him. And by the way easymoney you are still funny.

Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 08 2014,1:04 am

Your guy lost. Time to shaddap, now...

Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 15 2014,3:22 pm

Petty meaningless bickering is part of the grand sport of internet arguing.

The more minute and meaningless and trivial the better, I say.

Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 15 2014,3:23 pm

Let them fight I say!

Let the battles rage on!

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 15 2014,5:02 pm

Did you just wake up? The election is over. The war is done. Kindler goes home. Or should I say, leave as he said he would. :dunno: