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Topic: ex GOPer
started by: Expatriate

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,9:07 am
"Why Elizabeth Warren Left The GOP"



CREDIT: AP

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) told George Stephanopoulos Sunday that she left the Republican Party in the mid-90s because it was tilting the playing field in favor of Wall Street.

Warren has quickly become a populist hero to liberals. Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996. Warren said she left the party after that because she felt it was siding more and more with Wall Street:

   I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away.



Warren’s instincts on the GOP’s sympathy for the big financial institutions proved prescient. Former Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) spent the 1990s spearheading legislation that made the 2008 financial crisis possible: the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which broke down the firewall between commercial banks and the far riskier investment banks, as well as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which deregulated the over-the-counter derivatives that played a key role in the 2008 financial collapse. Both bills passed with majority Republican support, though they were also supported by a good deal of Democrats and the Clinton White House.

“Starting in the 80s, the cops were taken off the beat in financial services,” Warren explained. “These guys [the big financial institutions] were allowed to just paint a bullseye on the backs of american families. They loaded up on risk, the crashed the economy, they got bailed out. And what bothers me now is they still strut around Washington, they block regulations that they don’t want, they roll over agencies whenever they can, and they break the law. And they still don’t end up being held accountable for it and going to jail.”

Warren also dinged the Obama White House, saying, “I make no secret of my differences with the administration in how they’ve treated the large financial institutions.” But she noted the Consumer Financial Protection bureau (CFPB) — which was largely Warren’s brainchild — would not exist without Obama’s support. The agency has already begun cracking down on payday lenders and debt collectors, while cataloging and reporting on mortgage service abuses.

Warren credited the agency with already forcing the largest financial institutions to return more than $3 billion they’ve cheated from customer, and she herself has gone after Republicans for filibustering the CFPB’s nominated director unless the agency is restructured to weaken its political independence.

Since 2008, the Democrats and the Obama Administration have made some efforts — albeit limited — to repair some of the damage, particularly by passing the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill and the CFPB. But prominent Republican senators like David Vitter (LA) former Sen. Jim DeMint have tried to roll back the Dodd-Frank financial regulation laws, or repeal them wholesale. And as Mike Konczal has detailed, both establishment and Tea Party republicans have spent the time since the crisis opposing nearly every new regulation to rein in Wall Street’s risk-taking and every attempt to reinstate the rules lost during the 1990s.

“What’s happening is we’ve got a washington for those he can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. Their voices get heard in Washington and rules get tilted in their favor,” Warren said.

“Working families, not so much.”

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 28 2014,9:21 am
George Stephanopoulos is about as biased as liberals come.  CBS and George promote liberalism about as well as Reid or Pelosi.

NewsBusters exposes George Stephanopoulos' liberal bias.

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The ABC host hyped how Warren’s book was “The first step about having ideas drive the agenda right now in Washington now and in the future.

As the interview continued, Stephanopoulos pushed Warren from the left and asked the Massachusetts senator “You described some pretty intense encounters with President Obama and his team, including Larry Summers, the former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. Has he fallen short in your estimation?” and “As you know the critics say the agency [Consumer Financial Protection Bureau] hasn’t done all that much. One criminal prosecution."

The ABC host then lamented over Warren’s hesitations over Hillary Clinton’s support from the banking industry and fretted that “Do you think that, are you worried that somehow she will bow to big business?…Would they roll over Hillary Clinton?…Do you think Hillary Clinton will push back on that as well?

The segment concluded with Stephanopoulos hyping how “it might surprise a lot of your supporters to know that you were a registered Republican as recently as 1996.—1994 in Pennsylvania. That’s what I read. I was just wondering what drew you to the GOP and why did you leave?

A real reporter would have pushed back at Warren’s attack on the GOP by pointing out that a lot of conservatives believe that the GOP supports government helping big business but doesn’t run off and join the Democratic Party or go work for President Obama to promote new government regulations.

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Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,9:29 am
Did we get F’d by Wall Street ?

Why would you want to smear Warren she’s telling the truth, the GOP has you sucking hind tit wakeup and smell what’s under the tail!

Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 28 2014,9:32 am
Leaving the party that steals from your front pocket to join the party that steal from you back pocket is news?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2014,9:40 am

(MADDOG @ Apr. 28 2014,9:21 am)
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George Stephanopoulos is about as biased as liberals come.  CBS and George promote liberalism about as well as Reid or Pelosi.

NewsBusters exposes George Stephanopoulos' liberal bias.

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The ABC host hyped how Warren’s book was “The first step about having ideas drive the agenda right now in Washington now and in the future.

As the interview continued, Stephanopoulos pushed Warren from the left and asked the Massachusetts senator “You described some pretty intense encounters with President Obama and his team, including Larry Summers, the former Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. Has he fallen short in your estimation?” and “As you know the critics say the agency [Consumer Financial Protection Bureau] hasn’t done all that much. One criminal prosecution."

The ABC host then lamented over Warren’s hesitations over Hillary Clinton’s support from the banking industry and fretted that “Do you think that, are you worried that somehow she will bow to big business?…Would they roll over Hillary Clinton?…Do you think Hillary Clinton will push back on that as well?

The segment concluded with Stephanopoulos hyping how “it might surprise a lot of your supporters to know that you were a registered Republican as recently as 1996.—1994 in Pennsylvania. That’s what I read. I was just wondering what drew you to the GOP and why did you leave?

A real reporter would have pushed back at Warren’s attack on the GOP by pointing out that a lot of conservatives believe that the GOP supports government helping big business but doesn’t run off and join the Democratic Party or go work for President Obama to promote new government regulations.

< (See relevant transcript) >


So you are going to discredit the interview because of The INTERVIEWER. Never mind what the interviewed had to say. :rofl:  :rofl:  :lalala:

I see you and Holder have one thing in common.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,9:42 am

(Glad I Left @ Apr. 28 2014,9:32 am)
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Leaving the party that steals from your front pocket to join the party that steal from you back pocket is news?

Robin Hood steals from the rich to feed the poor the Sheriff of Nottingham steals from the poor to enrich himself.

E.g. Democrats vs. Republicans

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2014,9:49 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,9:42 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Apr. 28 2014,9:32 am)
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Leaving the party that steals from your front pocket to join the party that steal from you back pocket is news?

Robin Hood steals from the rich to feed the poor the Sheriff of Nottingham steals from the poor to enrich himself.

E.g. Democrats vs. Republicans

Wow, to be slapped with this much stupidity on a mon. Morning.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2014,10:07 am
Oh come on MD. You are not fooling anyone but yourself with your blind support. It is said that you sell cars. How many people come in and pay cash? You are beholden to the GOP, your masters. You do better if the banks win. It's all for your own check. :sarcasm:
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 28 2014,10:26 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,9:29 am)
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Why would you want to smear Warren she’s telling the truth, the GOP has you sucking hind tit wakeup and smell what’s under the tail!

I don't believe I said anything about Warren let alone smear her.  Her political affiliation is nothing new.  
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I was originally an independent. I was with the GOP for while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And i feel like the GOP party left that.
She just chose to run away from the party.  Some would stay and fight to bring the party back to what is used to be.  But then, what happened to your party is the ultimate turn-around.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2014,10:26 am
The woman who claims to be Native American?
Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 28 2014,10:28 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,9:42 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Apr. 28 2014,9:32 am)
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Leaving the party that steals from your front pocket to join the party that steal from you back pocket is news?

Robin Hood steals from the rich to feed the poor the Sheriff of Nottingham steals from the poor to enrich himself.

E.g. Democrats vs. Republicans

Robin hood was a fictional character.
Theft is theft... doesn't matter who does it.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,10:28 am

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 28 2014,9:49 am)
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Wow, to be slapped with this much stupidity on a mon. Morning.

Stupid? that’s what I like about you SB I don’t even have to make you look stupid, you take care of that all on your own.




Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 28 2014,10:33 am

(grassman @ Apr. 28 2014,10:07 am)
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Oh come on MD. You are not fooling anyone but yourself with your blind support. It is said that you sell cars. How many people come in and pay cash? You are beholden to the GOP, your masters. You do better if the banks win. It's all for your own check. :sarcasm:

Actually I have a fairly high percentage of old retired democrats who pay cash and  can't stand Obama.  In fact, I can recall one who still has a "I Miss Bill" bumper sticker on his truck.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,10:43 am
Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly, all we hear from you Republitards is what the AM propagandist’s preach!

the Republitard mantra: Deregulate Deregulate Deregulate Deregulate Deregulate Deregulate...

Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2014,10:51 am

(MADDOG @ Apr. 28 2014,10:33 am)
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(grassman @ Apr. 28 2014,10:07 am)
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Oh come on MD. You are not fooling anyone but yourself with your blind support. It is said that you sell cars. How many people come in and pay cash? You are beholden to the GOP, your masters. You do better if the banks win. It's all for your own check. :sarcasm:

Actually I have a fairly high percentage of old retired democrats who pay cash and  can't stand Obama.  In fact, I can recall one who still has a "I Miss Bill" bumper sticker on his truck.

What percentage are cash payers? You avoid the questions quite professionally.
Any of them say they miss this guy?

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 28 2014,10:53 am
ex-patriot
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Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time?

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Today I am pleased to sign into law S. 900, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This historic legislation will modernize our financial services laws, stimulating greater innovation and competition in the financial services industry. America's consumers, our communities, and the economy will reap the benefits of this Act. -President Bill Clinton

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 28 2014,10:57 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,9:42 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Apr. 28 2014,9:32 am)
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Leaving the party that steals from your front pocket to join the party that steal from you back pocket is news?

Robin Hood steals from the rich to feed the poor the Sheriff of Nottingham steals from the poor to enrich himself.

E.g. Democrats vs. Republicans

Sigh...
Someone needs to re-read the stories of Robin Hood again.
Robin Hood did not steal from the rich and give to the poor. He stole from the government after they imposed unfair taxes on their citizens and gave the money back to the people it had been taken from.

The stories are based on a real person who rebelled against the king.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,11:06 am

(MADDOG @ Apr. 28 2014,10:53 am)
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ex-patriot
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Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time?

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Today I am pleased to sign into law S. 900, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This historic legislation will modernize our financial services laws, stimulating greater innovation and competition in the financial services industry. America's consumers, our communities, and the economy will reap the benefits of this Act. -President Bill Clinton

It took Clinton several tries to get Gramm’s legislation past the Democrats, he did finally succeed, after he did Ken Star and the whole Whitewater probe Monica and the definition of is all conveniently disappear.
when you’re sucking hind tit you smell what’s under the tail or tale!

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 28 2014,11:07 am

(grassman @ Apr. 28 2014,10:51 am)
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What percentage are cash payers? You avoid the questions quite professionally.
Any of them say they miss this guy?

I can't give you specifics because I don't keep record of that.  Management does complain a little because I have the lowest penetration of financing in the store. (cash buyers)

Yeah, a few, but not very many miss George.  Just in case its still a secret, (he didn't do so good the last four years) but it's all a matter of opinion which of the last two was/is the worse?

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2014,11:27 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,10:28 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 28 2014,9:49 am)
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Wow, to be slapped with this much stupidity on a mon. Morning.

Stupid? that’s what I like about you SB I don’t even have to make you look stupid, you take care of that all on your own.




Snappy comeback idiot :sarcasm:
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 28 2014,1:56 pm

(MADDOG @ Apr. 28 2014,10:53 am)
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Today I am pleased to sign into law S. 900, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This historic legislation will modernize our financial services laws, stimulating greater innovation and competition in the financial services industry. America's consumers, our communities, and the economy will reap the benefits of this Act. -President Bill Clinton

Didn't the repeal of Glass-Steagall happen on Billy's watch, too?

A lot of good that did. Not.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2014,2:25 pm

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,11:06 am)
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(MADDOG @ Apr. 28 2014,10:53 am)
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ex-patriot
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Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time?

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Today I am pleased to sign into law S. 900, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This historic legislation will modernize our financial services laws, stimulating greater innovation and competition in the financial services industry. America's consumers, our communities, and the economy will reap the benefits of this Act. -President Bill Clinton

It took Clinton several tries to get Gramm’s legislation past the Democrats, he did finally succeed, after he did Ken Star and the whole Whitewater probe Monica and the definition of is all conveniently disappear.
when you’re sucking hind tit you smell what’s under the tail or tale!

So what you're saying is that Clinton sold out, compromised his princles at the expense of the American people, your hero. :rofl:
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2014,4:48 pm
When it comes right down to it, our past govt for the last 30 some years has done very little to help the average American. Sure, we are tossed a crumb every now and then, see where the steaks land. Some are blinded by the drool and think the steak is coming to them.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2014,5:03 pm
^^you're getting warmer. :D
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2014,6:20 pm
Oh I am very warm. I will admit that all of the parties have their own faults and do not take the needs of the general public at hand. Some on the other hand will stick by their particular party as doing no wrong. That is just plain ignorant. NAFTA is a good example. Clinton repeatedly gets the blame. He signed it but it was drawn up by George H. Bush. Bush didn't get re-elected. How they got Clinton to sign it is unknown. We all know it was not in the best interest of the average American.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 28 2014,6:46 pm
NAFTA was nothing compared to TPP. Not even congress is allowed to know what all it entails. All the big industries are the ones running that show... Of course. We can't even have discussions on the Trans-Pacific Partnership because we know nothing about it. Most have never even heard of it, thanks to our wonderful national news. People in Japan and other Asian countries are more informed than those of us in the US, and they are in the streets protesting it.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 28 2014,8:43 pm
So congressman doesn't know what it entails, and you/we don't know, but you're sure it's worse than NAFTA?

Do you ever get bored with the conspiracy theories?


< http://www.ustr.gov/tpp >

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 28 2014,9:40 pm

(Liberal @ Apr. 28 2014,8:43 pm)
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So congressman doesn't know what it entails, and you/we don't know, but you're sure it's worse than NAFTA?

Do you ever get bored with the conspiracy theories?


< http://www.ustr.gov/tpp >



Give me a break. Here's just a couple articles from mainstream recently. Unfortunately there's not much talk about TPP other than alternative news from the last few years, but there are a few. Just freaking look for yourself LIbERal...Or yeah, keep on trusting these lying butt heads. Some in Congress have been complaining for a couple of years, but they don't get much air time.

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Around 600 corporations with stakes in the talks have seen draft text, as have a few labor unions. Congress and the public have not, except for the few chapters released by Wikileaks online last year.
< ]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...] >




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This treaty has long been shrouded in unprecedented secrecy. Congressional staff, press and general public weren’t allowed to read it; in many cases, even members of Congress were kept in the dark. Meanwhile, special interests were given full access. Now we know why: The White House didn’t want the public to know what was being negotiated in their name.
<


http://www.slate.com/blogs...ty.html >

You ever get tired of being a stooge?

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,9:45 pm
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14ElectricalWorker/EW1404/TPP.0414.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2014,10:06 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 28 2014,2:25 pm)
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So what you're saying is that Clinton sold out, compromised his princles at the expense of the American people, your hero.

You’re in denial SB what I’m saying is the Republican’s used every dirty trick in the book for their greedy friends on Wall Street they fleeced the American people!

The Republican's have always been about deregulation you really have to be an ideologue not to admit in most cases these laws are in place for good reason!

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 28 2014,10:32 pm
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Give me a break. Here's just a couple articles from mainstream recently. Unfortunately there's not much talk about TPP other than alternative news from the last few years, but there are a few. Just freaking look for yourself LIbERal...Or yeah, keep on trusting these lying butt heads. Some in Congress have been complaining for a couple of years, but they don't get much air time.

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Around 600 corporations with stakes in the talks have seen draft text, as have a few labor unions. Congress and the public have not, except for the few chapters released by Wikileaks online last year.
]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...]



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This treaty has long been shrouded in unprecedented secrecy. Congressional staff, press and general public weren’t allowed to read it; in many cases, even members of Congress were kept in the dark. Meanwhile, special interests were given full access. Now we know why: The White House didn’t want the public to know what was being negotiated in their name.


< http://www.slate.com/blogs...ty.html >

You ever get tired of being a stooge?


How stupid does one have to be to claim blogs are mainstream media?

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 28 2014,11:32 pm

(Liberal @ Apr. 28 2014,10:32 pm)
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How stupid does one have to be to claim blogs are mainstream media?

Jaime Fuller reports on national politics for "The Fix" and Post Politics. She worked previously as an associate editor at the American Prospect, a political magazine based in Washington, D.C.



Derek Khanna (@Derekkhanna) is a visiting fellow with Yale Law’s Information Society Project. He was a previous Hill staffer for the House Republican Study Committee and spearheaded the national campaign on cellphone unlocking.


< http://www.theguardian.com/comment...ongress >



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As the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee’s Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness, my office is responsible for conducting oversight over the USTR and trade negotiations. To do that, I asked that my staff obtain the proper security credentials to view the information that USTR keeps confidential and secret. This is material that fully describes what the USTR is seeking in the TPP talks on behalf of the American people and on behalf of Congress. More than two months after receiving the proper security credentials, my staff is still barred from viewing the details of the proposals that USTR is advancing.


The majority of Congress is being kept in the dark as to the substance of the TPP negotiations, while representatives of U.S. corporations – like Halliburton, Chevron, PHRMA, Comcast, and the Motion Picture Association of America – are being consulted and made privy to details of the agreement.
< ]http://www.wyden.senate.gov/downloa...] >.


^  And it's his job to oversee these exact things he is being blocked from.


How stupid does one have to be to think Bundy said "Mexicans are better than "colored folk"?" When he actually said they have better family structure than most of us WHITE people?

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 28 2014,11:48 pm
And for the attempt by the administration to Fast Track the TPP:

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DeLauro, Miller Lead 151 House Dems Telling President They Will Not Support Outdated Fast Track For Trans-Pacific Partnership
WASHINGTON, DC—Representatives Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) and George Miller (D-CA) announced today more than 150 Democrats in the House of Representatives oppose the use of outdated “Fast Track” procedures that usurp Congress’s authority over trade matters. The lawmakers’ opposition stands for both the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement and any future trade agreements.



“For some time, members of Congress have urged your administration to engage in broader and deeper consultations with members of the full range of committees of Congress whose jurisdiction touches on the numerous issues being negotiated,” they wrote. “Many have raised concerns relating to reports about the agreement’s proposed content…Twentieth Century “Fast Track” is simply not appropriate for 21st Century agreements and must be replaced.  The United States cannot afford another trade agreement that replicates the mistakes of the past. We can and must do better.”


< http://delauro.house.gov/index.p...emid=21 >

Hmmm, that is A LOT of House democrats opposed to Obama.

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 29 2014,12:30 am
Well if 150 dems don't want to fast track this or any future trade agreements then clearly the  TPP is a bad thing.

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How stupid does one have to be to think Bundy said "Mexicans are better than "colored folk"?" When he actually said they have better family structure than most of us WHITE people?



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When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do.  They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton.   And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk.   Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.




Obviously he thinks a lot more of mexicans than blacks and it seems the big difference is the black folk are in the projects with no family structure cuz the babies were all aborted and the men folk are all in prison, but the Mexicans, they are okay by him because they have family picnics.


Have you considered my suggestion about seeing a mental health professional yet?


< http://www.scientificamerican.com/article...eorists >

Posted by stardust17 on Apr. 29 2014,1:40 am
Wallstreet has no Party affiliation. They're happy to accept/take/steal money from anyone, whether thru direct investment, high speed computer transactions, sweatshops, blood capitalization, or thru the trillions handed them on a platter from ignorant working Joe's 401k plan. Evil void of color, affiliation, and conscience. Evil refined to a pure darkness.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2014,5:53 am

(Expatriate @ Apr. 28 2014,10:06 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 28 2014,2:25 pm)
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So what you're saying is that Clinton sold out, compromised his princles at the expense of the American people, your hero.

You’re in denial SB what I’m saying is the Republican’s used every dirty trick in the book for their greedy friends on Wall Street they fleeced the American people!

The Republican's have always been about deregulation you really have to be an ideologue not to admit in most cases these laws are in place for good reason!

So instead of Clinton saving his own ass at the expense of the American people, he was tricked by those rascally republicans? Bush loaded the gun for NAFTA, Clinton pulled the trigger.
You do realize there is essentially no difference between Republicans and Democrats right?
Personally I like world trade, you scream that it sends jobs elsewhere but other jobs are created to fill the vaccume.
Why are you bitchin'? Sounds like you have a nice public sector job, low stress, no risk, guaranteed pay.

Posted by grassman on Apr. 29 2014,6:20 am

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 29 2014,5:53 am)
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Personally I like world trade, you scream that it sends jobs elsewhere but other jobs are created to fill the vaccume.

Other jobs. Then you complain that the people filling these other jobs (mostly minimum wage fast food) want a decent wage. Astounding! World economy? It's like dumping a glass of water in a bathtub. Our level of living is being brought down to that of the rest of the worst in the world except for the ones who run the show.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 29 2014,7:17 am
Liberal:
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Obviously he thinks a lot more of mexicans than blacks and it seems the big difference is the black folk are in the projects with no family structure cuz the babies were all aborted and the men folk are all in prison, but the Mexicans, they are okay by him because they have family picnics.


Obviously you could never see how editing that tape and taking his words out of context changed the point he was trying to make completely. He definitely is not a public speaker, and definitely used some poor choice of words, but omitting how he blames government policies for how bad too many black people do have it, put a completely different spin on it. The way they edited and spun their version was entirely out of whack from what he truly said. - of course YOU wouldn't have a problem with that tactic.


SB, if the TPP is such a great thing then why can't our representatives be allowed to know what exactly it involves? Or we the people?

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 29 2014,7:18 am

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 29 2014,5:53 am)
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Why are you bitchin'? Sounds like you have a nice public sector job, low stress, no risk, guaranteed pay.

You don’t have a clue, you’re barking up the wrong tree again kid.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 29 2014,7:34 am

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Liberal:
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Obviously he thinks a lot more of mexicans than blacks and it seems the big difference is the black folk are in the projects with no family structure cuz the babies were all aborted and the men folk are all in prison, but the Mexicans, they are okay by him because they have family picnics.


Obviously you could never see how editing that tape and taking his words out of context changed the point he was trying to make completely. He definitely is not a public speaker, and definitely used some poor choice of words, but omitting how he blames government policies for how bad too many black people do have it, put a completely different spin on it. The way they edited and spun their version was entirely out of whack from what he truly said. - of course YOU wouldn't have a problem with that tactic.


SB, if the TPP is such a great thing then why can't our representatives be allowed to know what exactly it involves? Or we the people?

That's not edited, the NY Times reporter only reported on the racial remarks. I don't think anyone cares what else he said during his daily 1hr sermon. Do you honestly think it changes what he said about blacks being better off under slavery because he made an anti-government statement before or after he said those things?

The only people supporting this racist piece of crap at this point is other disgusting racists.

Stay classy!  :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2014,8:33 am

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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 29 2014,5:53 am)
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Personally I like world trade, you scream that it sends jobs elsewhere but other jobs are created to fill the vaccume.

Other jobs. Then you complain that the people filling these other jobs (mostly minimum wage fast food) want a decent wage. Astounding! World economy? It's like dumping a glass of water in a bathtub. Our level of living is being brought down to that of the rest of the worst in the world except for the ones who run the show.

I take for example myself, high school grad, some college, some tech school. Almost thirty years driving and I have flourished. Or my son, high school grad, turned down post school and he's doing quite well for himself as a contractor. My daughter goes to tech school, works two jobs and despite being hooked up with a sad sack that sits around feeling sorry for himself does pretty well too and has a bright future.
Most of people's problems are self inflicted, they decide to have a family too soon, they use drugs, they sit around and feel sorry for themselves etc. Opportunities are out there, one only needs to be motivated.

It is a world economy, one only needs to know how to take advantage of it.

Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 29 2014,8:44 am
^^Quit fooling yourself, this isn’t about free trade it’s about cheap labor, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot and we’re about to put a bullet in the other foot

We’ve changed China from an agrarian third world backwater to a well financed industrialized militaristic giant with our greed trade. how’s that working out for US!

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 29 2014,8:48 am

(Liberal @ Apr. 29 2014,7:34 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 29 2014,7:17 am)
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Obviously he thinks a lot more of mexicans than blacks and it seems the big difference is the black folk are in the projects with no family structure cuz the babies were all aborted and the men folk are all in prison, but the Mexicans, they are okay by him because they have family picnics.


Obviously you could never see how editing that tape and taking his words out of context changed the point he was trying to make completely. He definitely is not a public speaker, and definitely used some poor choice of words, but omitting how he blames government policies for how bad too many black people do have it, put a completely different spin on it. The way they edited and spun their version was entirely out of whack from what he truly said. - of course YOU wouldn't have a problem with that tactic.


SB, if the TPP is such a great thing then why can't our representatives be allowed to know what exactly it involves? Or we the people?

That's not edited, the NY Times reporter only reported on the racial remarks. I don't think anyone cares what else he said during his daily 1hr sermon. Do you honestly think it changes what he said about blacks being better off under slavery because he made an anti-government statement before or after he said those things?

The only people supporting this racist piece of crap at this point is other disgusting racists.

Stay classy!  :thumbsup:

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Do you honestly think it changes what he said about blacks being better off under slavery because he made an anti-government statement before or after he said those things?


As if he is endorsing slavery. Why leave out his Watts Riots and Mexican comments? Because that wouldn't portray him as much as being racist, as opposed to being an old white man with no Politically Correct training who was rambling about some of his views.
Plus, this Bundy ranch racist thing sure is another great way to distract and divide us.
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The only people supporting this racist piece of crap at this point is other disgusting racists.

Stay classy!  :thumbsup:  


Keep lying, twisting and spinning!  :thumbsup:

You should run for office. You'd fit right in.

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 29 2014,10:04 am
Distract and divide us? Last I heard most normal people don't like to be associated with you ignorant racists, so we were divided on this issue way before that moron made his racist remarks.

If I said, "After communicating with this ignorant woman I wonder if women might be better off if they were no longer able to vote"

In your delusional world that statement isn't misogynistic if I compliment another group afterwards?

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2014,10:27 am

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^^Quit fooling yourself, this isn’t about free trade it’s about cheap labor, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot and we’re about to put a bullet in the other foot

We’ve changed China from an agrarian third world backwater to a well financed industrialized militaristic giant with our greed trade. how’s that working out for US!

So you are one of the one's that feel sorry for yourself.

What do you expect? A return to the industrial era of the fifties? You bitch about needing more regulations and that's the very thing that's been killing jobs.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 29 2014,10:31 am

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Distract and divide us? Last I heard most normal people don't like to be associated with you ignorant racists, so we were divided on this issue way before that moron made his racist remarks.

If I said, "After communicating with this ignorant woman I wonder if women might be better off if they were no longer able to vote"

In your delusional world that statement isn't misogynistic if I compliment another group afterwards?

Trust me, anyone being called ignorant by you should take it as a compliment.

Other people who have said some of the same things as Bundy... Just worded differently:
Bill Cosby:  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZve73KQpQ

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Prof. Walter Williams: "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."  http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598



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Rev. C. L. Bryant: In RUNAWAY SLAVE, an intriguing new documentary that opens in theaters this summer, Rev. C.L. Bryant journeys across America to find answers. A one-time NAACP local chapter president, Rev. Bryant discovers that by buying into the entitlement mindset of "progressives," the black community has traded one form of tyranny for another.

Using leading black conservatives as "conductors," Rev. Bryant believes it is time for a new Underground Railroad to help liberate all Americans from the Government plantation that has left the black community dealing with a new form of slavery: entitlements.
< ]http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/aboutmovie
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Thomas Sowell: The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time, but most grow up with only one parent today.
< ]http://www.nationalreview.com/article...] >


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Alveda King: "Examining the statistics of the Centers for Disease Control and the Alan Guttmacher Institute, one can estimate that 14 million African Americans were killed by abortion between 1973 and 2005,” stated Dr. King.  “That’s ‘far more’ than the number of blacks who suffered under the horrors of slavery from our country’s founding until emancipation.  The last Census to count slaves in 1860 numbered them at 4 million.  Even assuming short life spans, it’s hard to see how the total number of slaves approaches the number of blacks killed by abortion.”
< http://www.priestsforlife.org/pressre...lavery- >


Are they ignorant racists or just people with opinions, which some might find offensive?

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 29 2014,10:46 am
Not one of those quotes comes even close to what your fellow ignorant racist said.

Which one of those quotes say that blacks would be better off as slaves?

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 29 2014,11:28 am

(Liberal @ Apr. 29 2014,10:46 am)
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Not one of those quotes comes even close to what your fellow ignorant racist said.

Which one of those quotes say that blacks would be better off as slaves?

You keep saying that as if he was advocating for slavery. Like I said, he's not a good public speaker by any means. He blames government policies for the problems blacks face and so do those other people. They worded their opinions differently.
Here's another group who thinks government policies have hurt minorities.
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Assess the impact of Federal policies, regulations, and programs of general applicability on boys and young men of color, so as to develop proposals that will enhance positive outcomes and eliminate or reduce negative ones.


Data shows that boys and young men of color, regardless of socio-economic background, are disproportionately at risk throughout the journey from their youngest years to college and career.  For instance, large disparities remain in reading proficiency, with 86 percent of black boys and 82 percent of Hispanic boys reading below proficiency levels by the fourth grade – compared to 58 percent of white boys reading below proficiency levels.  Additionally, the disproportionate number of black and Hispanic young men who are unemployed or involved in the criminal justice system alone is a perilous drag on state budgets, and undermines family and community stability.  These young men are more than six times as likely to be victims of murder than their white peers and account for almost half of the country’s murder victims each year.  
< http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pre...keeper- >


I take his opinion as a very badly worded version of these other opinions. You and I will never agree on the meaning or intent of his words. I take the blame for derailing this topic. I'm done, so feel free to keep calling me names.

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 29 2014,12:23 pm
Reading your posts I wonder if your not an ignorant racist.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 30 2014,10:25 am

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 29 2014,10:27 am)
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^^Quit fooling yourself, this isn’t about free trade it’s about cheap labor, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot and we’re about to put a bullet in the other foot

We’ve changed China from an agrarian third world backwater to a well financed industrialized militaristic giant with our greed trade. how’s that working out for US!

So you are one of the one's that feel sorry for yourself.

What do you expect? A return to the industrial era of the fifties? You bitch about needing more regulations and that's the very thing that's been killing jobs.

:dunce:
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 30 2014,11:03 am
^^even at your advanced age, you should know when to quit chewing on paint chips.

So no valid response to my post, just want to call names?

Posted by irisheyes on May 13 2014,11:36 pm

(Self-Banished @ Apr. 29 2014,8:33 am)
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I take for example myself, high school grad, some college, some tech school. Almost thirty years driving and I have flourished. Or my son, high school grad, turned down post school and he's doing quite well for himself as a contractor. My daughter goes to tech school, works two jobs and despite being hooked up with a sad sack that sits around feeling sorry for himself does pretty well too and has a bright future.
Most of people's problems are self inflicted, they decide to have a family too soon, they use drugs, they sit around and feel sorry for themselves etc. Opportunities are out there, one only needs to be motivated.

It is a world economy, one only needs to know how to take advantage of it.

Your examples are from an era when a person could reliably expect to be successful spending 30 years in a blue collar field, doing the exact same thing.  How is that adapting and surviving?   :dunno:

Imagine S.B., some day we too can have suicide nets around our sweatshops and brag about how we got rid of all those damn collective bargaining rights and health/safety regulations.  We'll call it, "the Republican utopia!"   :sarcasm:   :p

Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2014,5:02 am
Don't jump IE, I would be heart broken :rofl:
My son's just starting out, he's doing great!
Some of those somali's I love to pick on are getting smart, they're forming their own companies, dealing directly with the brokers themselves. 20 years from now they'll "own" the industry.
For the time being all one has to do is work hard, work smart and life's good.
No union's needed or wanted.

Posted by Botto 82 on May 14 2014,12:34 pm
Great. Just what we need. "Al Shaabab Trucking."  :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2014,3:38 pm
^^^ oh and how they love to text and drove at the same time. :(
Posted by irisheyes on May 27 2014,6:36 am

(Self-Banished @ May 14 2014,5:02 am)
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My son's just starting out, he's doing great!
Some of those somali's I love to pick on are getting smart, they're forming their own companies, dealing directly with the brokers themselves. 20 years from now they'll "own" the industry.
For the time being all one has to do is work hard, work smart and life's good.
No union's needed or wanted.

That's good, plenty of need for honest contractors out there.   :thumbsup:

But I'll take issue with the "no unions needed or wanted," how much contracting work do you think is needed if the good paying jobs dry up in favor of the sweatshops and suicide nets that you prefer?  :dunno:

Union labor typically pays better so there's enough to boost the economy through more demand, and it raises the economy for everyone.  That's why the blue states more often than not do better than the ones who try to destroy the unions.  Poverty is nearly double in most of right-to-work anti-union states.  The facts speak for themselves.

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