Topic: Is it Legal?
started by: alcitizens
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 05 2014,2:09 am
Can a local government refuse to remove snow from a road?Bancroft Township in Freeborn County cleared a 1300 foot road all the way except for the last 25 feet of road at the Dead End residence and leaving a 3 foot pile of snow and making the road impassable before backing all the way down the road..
Question of the year:
Should a taxpayer have to clear 25 feet of township road with a snow blower to make it passable?
(Road ends at the stake..)
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 05 2014,12:37 pm
Think I’d call the guy who runs the grader/plow talk to him nicely explain the situation.Go right to the source and ask the horse.
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse.
He's always on a steady course.
Talk to Mister Ed.
People yak-it-ti-yak a streak
and waste your time of day,
but Mister Ed will never speak,
unless he has something to say...
Posted by twingroves on Mar. 05 2014,12:43 pm
new guy
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2014,1:16 pm
Didn't tip the plow driver at Christmas.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 05 2014,2:40 pm
Plow operator, Denny Jensen, wants to use the driveway and the yard like a shopping center parking lot or he and the township will refuse to remove the snow at the dead end..The turnaround used for over 70 years by the township and the public, located to the left just after the mailbox can no longer be used because the current landowner, Daniel Claussen, has begun to refuse the township from pushing snow onto his property at the turnaround..
Picture now shows that it has went from 25 feet without snow removal on the township road to 35 feet without snow removal, making it impassable..
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2014,2:56 pm
A power play then.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 05 2014,3:06 pm
Power Play??Note from the US Postal Service..
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 05 2014,3:14 pm
Bancroft turfwars. 
All this snow is making people lose their minds. It's been a long winter.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 05 2014,3:28 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 05 2014,1:16 pm)
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Didn't tip the plow driver at Christmas.
Naw, most of the Jensens I know around there are conservatives. They probably read this.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 06 2014,4:23 am
At a January 14 Town Hall Meeting in regards to snow removal, Denny Jensen was asked where he turned his tractor plow around at the Dead End..He said with a straight and serious face, "In your front yard"
I can say he doesn't turn around in the front yard anymore..
Knock on wood..(The well is located in the front yard)
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 06 2014,8:18 am
(alcitizens @ Mar. 05 2014,3:06 pm)
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Power Play??
Note from the US Postal Service..
Note from the US Postal Service..
I am just guessing here as I don't know specifically where this is; this is probably serviced by the rural postal carrier.
1. They are paid whatever the route is provisioned at, not hourly like the city side carriers.
2. Most rural routes carriers are required to use their own vehicle (there are some routes that use LLV (mail trucks), but not too many) and as such, if you get stuck, you are on your own to get it unstuck and pay for any repairs on your own.
As many of you know, my wife works for the USPS (rural carrier) and we often get into arguments about how the USPS is run but knowing what they do pretty well and how things are run, plus having to repair her mail truck on MANY occasions, I wouldn't deliver that mail until the snow is cleared either.
I don't blame the carrier for not delivering based on what I have seen in the pictures.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 06 2014,9:20 am
Careful so he doesn't take a < dump > on you.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 06 2014,9:30 am
This residence has been homesteaded by the same family for 47 years and this is the first time a notice by a postal carrier has ever been received..I believe the carrier has a 4 wheel drive Jeep(Red) and mail amazingly continues to be delivered..
USPS has been made aware of the situation with Bancroft Township, Daniel Claussen and no turnaround on a dead end road in the winter.. USPS has been using the private circle drive at the dead end property to turn around during the winter..
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 06 2014,10:08 am
(MADDOG @ Mar. 06 2014,9:20 am)
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Careful so he doesn't take a < dump > on you.
Denny Jensen enjoyed dumping snow in the driveway and turning around in the front yard..
Disrespect can have consequences..
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 06 2014,10:20 am
Well, it is private property and as such he can refuse the public access to it (including snow removal) unless other arrangements are/were made. Growing up there was a section of gravel road between Neale and Bimelich that was owned by Sorensons that was private property, he allowed the public to use the road in exchange for the city to grade/plow the road.Several years ago though when city widened and put in curb/gutters and asphalt though they wanted him to pay for it all on that stretch. If you know the area, you know that the section between Neale and Bimelich is still gravel... that's another story.
I am just going by the pix, but I assume the carrier is getting out of the vehicle to deliver the mail. This is fine, but can get tedious. My wife will do it often, especially right after a snowfall but if it hasn't been cleared in days, they user will get a nasty gram, unless she knows the owner is otherwise incapable of clearing snow themselves.
Is this non clearing a new event this year?
I guess if the landowner is refusing access to removal they will need to start clearing the area around the mailbox themselves or risk getting more of those notices. I don't know the mail carrier but with that much snow in the way I can't see them delivering it all the time.
There is possibly another issue with not clearing the (private) road in regards to fire code, but I am not to snuff on that. I am sure someone else can chime in.
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 07 2014,6:34 am
(Glad I Left @ Mar. 06 2014,8:18 am)
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1. They are paid whatever the route is provisioned at, not hourly like the city side carriers.
2. Most rural routes carriers are required to use their own vehicle (there are some routes that use LLV (mail trucks), but not too many) and as such, if you get stuck, you are on your own to get it unstuck and pay for any repairs on your own.
2. Most rural routes carriers are required to use their own vehicle (there are some routes that use LLV (mail trucks), but not too many) and as such, if you get stuck, you are on your own to get it unstuck and pay for any repairs on your own.
I've seen the rural carriers driving personal vehicles, mostly when I'd be driving down in Iowa. Never thought about the costs incurred if they get stuck or damaged. I can see why that'd make a hell of a big difference in whether they'd go to a mailbox that was snowed in if it'd cost them a hundred bucks or more to get back out if they got stuck.
I've always had city mail carriers. I try to clear my sidewalks for them well, but that sidewalk has gotten more and more narrow this winter.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2014,7:14 am
(irisheyes @ Mar. 07 2014,6:34 am)
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I've always had city mail carriers. I try to clear my sidewalks for them well, but that sidewalk has gotten more and more narrow this winter.
...and how!
Our mail carrier when I was a kid always used our driveway to turn around, I don't remember my Mom and Dad ever getting "pissy" about it.
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 07 2014,7:49 am
I don't know about the city side, but on the rural side they are not supposed to even use a driveway to turn around in. They are not supposed to drive into a driveway if they have to deliver a package either.
Posted by hairhertz on Mar. 08 2014,11:47 am
My mail box was located off the highway about 35' up my driveway. We lived on a dangerous curve, so it was worked out that the rural carrier could turn around on our property. Never thought of the arrangement being unusual, don't believe we had anything in writing. [we lived in another county, not Freeborn]Our mail carrier told me she "used up" a vehicle every two years.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 08 2014,2:19 pm
(Common Citizen @ Mar. 05 2014,3:14 pm)
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Bancroft turfwars.
All this snow is making people lose their minds. It's been a long winter.
All this snow is making people lose their minds. It's been a long winter.
This crap has been going on all winter with nothing done by Bancroft Township..
I'm only showing pictures from the last two times the road has been plowed, I have more..
Impassable Road (Minn Statute 163.16)
< https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=163.16 >
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 10 2014,7:52 am
(irisheyes @ Mar. 07 2014,6:34 am)
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(Glad I Left @ Mar. 06 2014,8:18 am)
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1. They are paid whatever the route is provisioned at, not hourly like the city side carriers.
2. Most rural routes carriers are required to use their own vehicle (there are some routes that use LLV (mail trucks), but not too many) and as such, if you get stuck, you are on your own to get it unstuck and pay for any repairs on your own.
2. Most rural routes carriers are required to use their own vehicle (there are some routes that use LLV (mail trucks), but not too many) and as such, if you get stuck, you are on your own to get it unstuck and pay for any repairs on your own.
I've seen the rural carriers driving personal vehicles, mostly when I'd be driving down in Iowa. Never thought about the costs incurred if they get stuck or damaged. I can see why that'd make a hell of a big difference in whether they'd go to a mailbox that was snowed in if it'd cost them a hundred bucks or more to get back out if they got stuck.
I've always had city mail carriers. I try to clear my sidewalks for them well, but that sidewalk has gotten more and more narrow this winter.
I cant tell you how many times I've pulled my wife's 4wd Explorer out of drifts etc..
She's a go getter and likes to make sure people get their mail, especially ones she knows are are a little harder off (disabled, etc..) and can't make it to the post office very easily.
I'll bet I've saved us over $1000 in towing fees alone. Luckily every time she's been stuck I've been home and not traveling.
As far as damages, transmission and brakes are things that go most often as far as big ticket items. Starters are very common too, since any time they get out of their vehicle they are required to turn it off.
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 10 2014,5:15 pm
(Glad I Left @ Mar. 10 2014,7:52 am)
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As far as damages, transmission and brakes are things that go most often as far as big ticket items. Starters are very common too, since any time they get out of their vehicle they are required to turn it off.
I wonder why they make them shut the car off every time they get out? I don't think our city carriers do that, in the middle of winter their vans always seem to be running when they'd get out to walk.
But I think they skip some of the rules here and there to save time, or keep the van warm. On the blocks where the mailboxes are on the houses I've been told they're not suppose to walk on the lawn unless they have permission. If you see them with the bean counters following them you'll notice they don't, they go up and down the sidewalks. But any other day they'll walk through every single yard in a strait line.
I don't blame them either, like any of other gig they're always getting pushed to deliver more and do it faster.
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 11 2014,8:28 am
It's a safety issue. City and Rural alike are supposed to turn off the vehicles. Especially at CBUs (Those collection of mailboxes on the side of a road). They have had a few people run over when their vehicle went into gear.And any time they leave the vehicle they are to close and lock doors. For obvious theft reasons, but I have seen open vehicles in the summer a lot.
You are right, most of the time they will leave them run in the winter.
If you see someone following them, they are probably doing a review of the route or a mandatory review of the employee. Then they follow the rules because they are being watched LOL.
Most of the time you will see them cut across lawns, I don't think most people mind as long as they are not trampling bushes and flowers etc... But every now and again you get that one craba$$ who doesn't want their lawn walked on.
As for the LLVs (Mail Jeeps) they are the biggest pieces of crap since the Yugo. Another fleece job of the gov't whoever won that contract to provide them. Ask any postal mechanic who works on 'em, ask any employee who drives them and you'll get more negative than positive comments.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 13 2014,5:33 am
The US Postal Service carriers have been awesome dealing with this situation..
Posted by Glad I Left on Mar. 13 2014,8:14 am
(alcitizens @ Mar. 13 2014,5:33 am)
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The US Postal Service carriers have been awesome dealing with this situation..
Most of the carriers are pretty good people and genuinely care about their customers. Like most large businesses that get a bad rap it's because those that make the decisions have no clue about how the troops on the ground conduct that business but yet make decisions on how they should do their job.
The amount of stupid decisions that go on would blow your mind.
I've learned a lot since my wife started working their about 10 yrs ago.
Stuff I would have never considered before hand.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 25 2014,9:07 pm
(Glad I Left @ Mar. 06 2014,10:20 am)
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Well, it is private property and as such he can refuse the public access to it (including snow removal) unless other arrangements are/were made.
The turnaround has 70 years of continuous use and repair by the public and the township?
Land has been a turnaround my whole life..
160.05 DEDICATION OF ROADS.
Subdivision 1.Six years. When any road or portion of a road has been used and kept in repair and worked for at least six years continuously as a public highway by a road authority, it shall be deemed dedicated to the public to the width of the actual use and be and remain, until lawfully vacated, a public highway whether it has ever been established as a public highway or not.
Now they want to use the driveway and the front yard to remove snow or they will leave it in the road..
Bancroft Township tracks on January 18, 2014
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 25 2014,9:33 pm
This is all township road that has not been plowed..
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 26 2014,12:03 am
Bancroft Township claims Erroneous Claims.. The pictures and history say otherwise..
Letter just received on 3-16-2014 from Bancroft Township..
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 26 2014,12:10 am
Big deal. Some people are starving in Albert Lea. You'd think a lib would care more about that....nuff said.
Posted by alcitizens on Mar. 26 2014,9:09 pm
Nobody starves in Albert Lea.. We have Applebee's..
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 27 2014,2:32 am
^^^Riblets.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 03 2014,6:11 am
Snow could have been removed from the dead end all winter with one of these.. Maybe Denny Jensen forgot how to operate one..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,7:16 am
^who pays for it? You can't just run one of those loaders down the road willy-nilly, it has to be hauled to the site on a lowboy trailer, unloaded, utilized, then hauled back. One can probably figure $5-$600 an hour. Who pays?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 03 2014,10:25 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,7:16 am)
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^who pays for it? You can't just run one of those loaders down the road willy-nilly, it has to be hauled to the site on a lowboy trailer, unloaded, utilized, then hauled back. One can probably figure $5-$600 an hour. Who pays?
I see them going down the road a lot.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,11:22 am
^depends on how heavy they are or how far they have to travel.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 03 2014,11:24 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,7:16 am)
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^who pays for it? You can't just run one of those loaders down the road willy-nilly, it has to be hauled to the site on a lowboy trailer, unloaded, utilized, then hauled back. One can probably figure $5-$600 an hour. Who pays?
Property Tax is paid in full..
You tell me why every house has a plowed township road except for the one house at the end of 224th St..
Dead Ends and cul-de-sac's have snow removed in the City of Albert Lea.. Why not in Bancroft Township?
Does Bancroft Township take bids from other excavating companies or just from Jensen?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 03 2014,11:48 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 03 2014,11:24 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,7:16 am)
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^who pays for it? You can't just run one of those loaders down the road willy-nilly, it has to be hauled to the site on a lowboy trailer, unloaded, utilized, then hauled back. One can probably figure $5-$600 an hour. Who pays?
Property Tax is paid in full..
You tell me why every house has a plowed township road except for the one house at the end of 224th St..
Dead Ends and cul-de-sac's have snow removed in the City of Albert Lea.. Why not in Bancroft Township?
Does Bancroft Township take bids from other excavating companies or just from Jensen?
You know as we'll as I do that all politics are local. Did this resident do something to piss someone off? Maybe there's going to have to be a assessment.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 03 2014,1:46 pm
(alcitizens @ Mar. 26 2014,12:03 am)
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Bancroft Township claims Erroneous Claims..
The pictures and history say otherwise..
Letter just received on 3-16-2014 from Bancroft Township..
The pictures and history say otherwise..
Letter just received on 3-16-2014 from Bancroft Township..
Must be the family residence. Figured you had a dog in this fight.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 03 2014,2:53 pm
Public Record on < www.albertlea.com > 
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 03 2014,4:30 pm
No wonder they aren't plowing your road anymore. The property value keeps falling.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 03 2014,5:12 pm
(MADDOG @ Apr. 03 2014,4:30 pm)
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No wonder they aren't plowing your road anymore. The property value keeps falling.
That's the case with all properties in recent years.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 04 2014,9:25 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 03 2014,4:30 pm)
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No wonder they aren't plowing your road anymore. The property value keeps falling.
Property Tax dropped by nearly $900.00 in one year..
So you think that if you pay less in taxes you shouldn't get the same services everybody else gets?
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 04 2014,11:30 am
Naw, just jesting. My taxes went down a smidgen last year too. In fact this past winter the plows widened my road. Yep. Left just about a third of the gravel off it on my lawn.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 05 2014,9:25 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,11:48 am)
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You know as we'll as I do that all politics are local. Did this resident do something to piss someone off? Maybe there's going to have to be a assessment.
I've figured that it would cost less than $3000 to put in a 45' gravel cul-de-sac so the township snowplow and the public could turn around during the winter..
It would require a small portion of land to be dedicated by 3 landowners..
The assessment would be minimal..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2014,10:22 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 05 2014,9:25 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 03 2014,11:48 am)
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You know as we'll as I do that all politics are local. Did this resident do something to piss someone off? Maybe there's going to have to be a assessment.
I've figured that it would cost less than $3000 to put in a 45' gravel cul-de-sac so the township snowplow and the public could turn around during the winter..
It would require a small portion of land to be dedicated by 3 landowners..
The assessment would be minimal..
No offense meant here but a"small" amount of land dedicated by 3 other land owners? What if they don't want to give up their land? Eminent domain? Hardly seems enforceable the three owners give up land for the benefit of one land owner.
How far is the nearest cross road? When or if kids were being dropped off where did the bus turn around?
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 05 2014,10:31 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 05 2014,10:22 am)
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No offense meant here but a"small" amount of land dedicated by 3 other land owners? What if they don't want to give up their land? Eminent domain? Hardly seems enforceable the three owners give up land for the benefit of one land owner.
How far is the nearest cross road? When or if kids were being dropped off where did the bus turn around?
How far is the nearest cross road? When or if kids were being dropped off where did the bus turn around?
Then bring on the front end loader..
Kids walk 1300 feet to catch the bus at Bluegrass Road.. Funny that the Supervisor of Bancroft Township lives on Bluegrass Road..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2014,10:51 am
1300 feet is a quarter mile, in nice weather fine and dandy but if it's inclement weather it can be dangerous.for kids wLking.So it's 1300 ft to the crossroad, I see no problem with the grader driver backing up that far. As far as "bring on the front end loader" I would think that that should be an expense born by the land owner in question.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 05 2014,11:11 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 05 2014,10:51 am)
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1300 feet is a quarter mile, in nice weather fine and dandy but if it's inclement weather it can be dangerous.for kids wLking.
So it's 1300 ft to the crossroad, I see no problem with the grader driver backing up that far. As far as "bring on the front end loader" I would think that that should be an expense born by the land owner in question.
So it's 1300 ft to the crossroad, I see no problem with the grader driver backing up that far. As far as "bring on the front end loader" I would think that that should be an expense born by the land owner in question.
Kids have walked this road to catch the bus for decades..
Thompson Sanitation backs all the way up the road to collect garbage at the dead end home because there is now no turnaround during the winter as there has been for over 70 years..
I don't give you much credit SB but yes the township snowplow could back all the way up the road to plow the entire road instead of backing all the way down the road after it has been plowed (except for 25 to 35 feet of road and a large pile of snow at the dead end residence).. Thank you..
The County pays the Township to do their job.. Bancroft Township is not doing their job at the dead end of 224th St..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 05 2014,4:07 pm
Run to be on the township board
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 05 2014,4:53 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 05 2014,11:11 am)
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The County pays the Township to do their job.. Bancroft Township is not doing their job at the dead end of 224th St..
Have you contacted your county commissioner?
glenmath@frontiernet.net
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2014,8:17 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 05 2014,4:53 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Apr. 05 2014,11:11 am)
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The County pays the Township to do their job.. Bancroft Township is not doing their job at the dead end of 224th St..
Have you contacted your county commissioner?
glenmath@frontiernet.net
I have been told that all Freeborn County Commissioners have recently been made aware of this situation at the dead end of 224th St..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 07 2014,10:10 am
^^^ well then, problem solved.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 07 2014,10:13 am
So you haven't? Never trust a third party to give information to your commissioner.Learned that a LONNNGGG time ago when it comes to that bunch.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2014,11:48 am
This is a cleared road on 224th St.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2014,11:50 am
This is the turnaround that has been used and maintained by Bancroft Township and the public for over 70 years.. Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.. Until now??
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2014,12:15 pm
(MADDOG @ Apr. 07 2014,10:13 am)
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So you haven't? Never trust a third party to give information to your commissioner.
Learned that a LONNNGGG time ago when it comes to that bunch.
Learned that a LONNNGGG time ago when it comes to that bunch.
Trust Me..
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 07 2014,1:58 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 07 2014,12:15 pm)
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Trust Me..
Won't touch that one. In fact, give this highway department head an blast as a backup so you know they got your email.
sue.miller@co.freeborn.mn.us Tell her I sent you and ask her why there are no rumble strips at the intersection of Co.Rd. 101 and Bluegrass.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 07 2014,5:04 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 07 2014,8:17 am)
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I have been told that all Freeborn County Commissioners have recently been made aware of this situation at the dead end of 224th St..
I'd agree on contacting your commissioner, either over the phone, email, or at a meeting. They'd be the first call I would make on an issue like this.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 07 2014,5:25 pm
(irisheyes @ Apr. 07 2014,5:04 pm)
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(alcitizens @ Apr. 07 2014,8:17 am)
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I have been told that all Freeborn County Commissioners have recently been made aware of this situation at the dead end of 224th St..
I'd agree on contacting your commissioner, either over the phone, email, or at a meeting. They'd be the first call I would make on an issue like this.
Does face to face with all Freeborn County Commissioners except Shoff count? Done.. Thanks..
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 07 2014,7:25 pm
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Does face to face with all Freeborn County Commissioners except Shoff count? Done.. Thanks..
I assume this was/is at a commissioners meeting. Where was Chris?
You do know he is Democrat.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 08 2014,5:36 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 07 2014,7:25 pm)
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Does face to face with all Freeborn County Commissioners except Shoff count? Done.. Thanks..
I assume this was/is at a commissioners meeting. Where was Chris?
You do know he is Democrat.
Yes it was.. Shoff was out of town at some meeting or something.. Paperwork and photo was given to all..
This situation isn't about republican or democrat, it's about right and wrong..
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 08 2014,8:15 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 08 2014,5:36 am)
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This situation isn't about republican or democrat
I never said it was. I thought the
would get my comment past that. Chris and family are friends.I would think that your appearance at the meeting will have some effect?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 08 2014,9:32 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 08 2014,8:15 am)
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(alcitizens @ Apr. 08 2014,5:36 am)
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This situation isn't about republican or democrat
I never said it was. I thought the
would get my comment past that. Chris and family are friends.I would think that your appearance at the meeting will have some effect?
See what happens when you usually do make everything about Dem or Rep instead of what is right or wrong.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 08 2014,10:55 am
^^yep
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 08 2014,11:15 am
(alcitizens @ Apr. 07 2014,5:25 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Apr. 07 2014,5:04 pm)
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I'd agree on contacting your commissioner, either over the phone, email, or at a meeting. They'd be the first call I would make on an issue like this.
Does face to face with all Freeborn County Commissioners except Shoff count? Done.. Thanks..
Fair enough, sounds like you've covered your bases than.
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This situation isn't about republican or democrat, it's about right and wrong..
Yeah, city and county business is non-partisan. Some of us know the Shoffs, so I think Maddog was jesting.
Speaking of which, too bad Commissioner Shoff wasn't at that meeting, everyone knows if you want to get anything done you gotta talk to a Democrat.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 12 2014,12:57 pm
Video on March 4th at the Commissioners Meeting.. Dead End landowner speaks at the 4 minute mark.. He looks nervous..
< http://www.co.freeborn.mn.us/mediacenter.aspx?CID=1#player >
Asphalt Driveway!!
(Bancroft Township Snowplow Tracks on January 18, 2014)
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 12 2014,4:59 pm
I commend you on going before the board. Don't worry, after you've done it a couple dozen times you'll quit fidgeting. Your pictures (reply #54) is your property line where the asphalt ends? The mailboxes are farther east on the gravel. In the picture in your first post I see a stake that you identify as where the road ends, but is it also your property line?
In reply #5 it is apparent the plow driver must be getting a little pissy. Maybe because of the frustration in the inability to turn around?
Looking at reply #54 is there just one mailbox? Where is Mr. Claussen's box? On Co.Rd. 101?
< Google maps > looks like there must just be a minimum access drive to a back building?
Is this the Dan Claussen at Lou Rich?
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 12 2014,6:01 pm
Daniel Claussen has a concrete driveway on 733rd Ave with 6.5 acres and hundreds of feet of road frontage..He built a barn 3 years ago and now wants all the snow stuck up the half acre home owners only exit at the dead end of 224th Street instead of the turnaround of 70 years..
He has no integrity, just like Dell and Forrie.. Yes he works at Lou Rich..
Property line is where you see it on Beacon with several feet of gravel after the asphalt..
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 12 2014,7:40 pm
(alcitizens @ Apr. 12 2014,6:01 pm)
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He built a barn 3 years ago and now wants all the snow stuck up the half acre home owners only exit at the dead end of 224th Street instead of the turnaround of 70 years.. He has no integrity, just like Dell and Forrie..
Yes he works at Lou Rich..
He has no integrity, just like Dell and Forrie.. Yes he works at Lou Rich..
It's obvious you have no place to allow them to pile snow on your property.
It's nice Belshan asked questions, but the problem is way bigger than the wind row of snow left behind by a plow after it passes.
You say Claussen wants the snow shoved up the 1/2 acre homes on 224th. Do you have any other owners who feel the same way? Claussen is more than just an employee at LR.
It looks like you can:
Meet with the township board and him to try to resolve this.
or
Ask the snow plow to back into your drive and plow east.
or
Turf War in Itasca.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 12 2014,8:39 pm
There is only one home at the dead end of 224th St..
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 13 2014,6:01 pm
Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 13 2014,10:20 pm
Daniel Claussen currently has 33 feet of road frontage on 224th St.. 16.5 feet wide by 50 feet deep of road frontage on 224th St has been used for a turnaround(cul de sac) by Bancroft Township and the Public(USPS, Garbage Removal, local traffic, etc.) for over 70 years..
He would still have 16.5 feet of road frontage for access in the winter if he chose to keep it cleared..
Other than in the winter time, he could use all 33 feet to come and go as he pleased..
Its a no brainer.. Come on Dan, I know you're smarter than that..
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 14 2014,9:44 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 13 2014,6:01 pm)
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Years ago the city wouldnt grade the alley behind my house so I threatened to get a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job. The City Attorney said, "We'll just give you the land" and the next thing I knew I had a second lot valued at $0.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
After about 10 years they changed it and said it had some value and they started taxing me a couple dollars a year for the alley. Of course I don't plan on paying it and I'll let them take my alley back so we'll be right back where we started in a couple years and my alley still won't be fixed.
The homeowner doesn't want any land, they only want Bancroft Township to remove the snow that they are mandated to remove..
Why should the homeowner pay Bancroft Township for services they don't receive that everyone else gets?
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 14 2014,10:37 pm
That's exactly much how my problem started, I just wanted them to do their job. Next time I won't threaten with a writ of mandamus I'll just get one.< http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/writ+of+mandamus >
Posted by alcitizens on May 09 2014,5:44 am
The Bancroft Township grader just used the turnaround of 70 years instead of backing all the way down the road..Why has Bancroft Township and Denny Jensen refused to use the turnaround during this past winter?
I really feel that some people enjoy complicating what is actually very simple..
Here's to another 70 years of a public turnaround at the dead end of 224th St..
Posted by alcitizens on May 13 2014,7:05 pm
This is what the Bancroft Township grader gets to see when he pulls into the turnaround at the dead end of 224th St..How many vehicles could get around that temporary rusty gate?
Posted by alcitizens on May 20 2014,4:01 am
I know this was the first winter that Bancroft Township refused to use this turnaround in 47 years..I know this turnaround (cul de sac) has been around for over 70 years..
Glen Mathiason and his fellow Freeborn County Commissioners should make it a point to resolve the legality of the turnaround(cul de sac) that has existed for over 70 years at the dead end of 224th St..
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 08 2015,3:24 pm
How's the snow plowing this year? With all this wind, you must be just about shut down?
Posted by alcitizens on Jan. 08 2015,6:08 pm
I haven't been out there for many months.. I'm sure its better than it was..