Topic: Workers in Tennesee REJECT
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 15 2014,7:19 am
Wow, I was thinking the UAW might have made a little progress at the Volkswagen plant, guess not. It looks like they got their ass kicked. < http://www.foxnews.com/politic...s-union >
Posted by twingroves on Feb. 15 2014,7:24 am
good thinking men 
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 15 2014,7:35 am
I agree, good job on rejecting the POS union.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 15 2014,7:52 am
We're going straight to "Moparman, Expat and Grassman" hell for this 
Well, just "Moparman and Grassman" hell for me, Expat still has me on "double secret probation"
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 15 2014,11:01 am
I was reading an article just the other day about the danger that is threatening the wolves on Isle Royale.The wolf pack is in need of a new influx of members in their pack to maintain the herd because of all the inbreeding. Otherwise they could become extinct.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 15 2014,2:40 pm
Inbreeding?Not gonna touch that.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 16 2014,5:18 pm
Posted by grassman on Feb. 16 2014,7:27 pm
(MADDOG @ Feb. 15 2014,11:01 am)
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I was reading an article just the other day about the danger that is threatening the wolves on Isle Royale.
The wolf pack is in need of a new influx of members in their pack to maintain the herd because of all the inbreeding. Otherwise they could become extinct.
The wolf pack is in need of a new influx of members in their pack to maintain the herd because of all the inbreeding. Otherwise they could become extinct.
Take a lunch.
Posted by pepi-lapew on Feb. 17 2014,9:10 am
Well exp. as usual you are so far left, you dont know what you are talking about. I they accepted that crap they would lose $3.00 an hour ,so they would be in line with the union thugs in Detroit I would not voted for it either!
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 17 2014,9:34 am
Gotta love the way expat's video starts out. Now we have a VW plant in Tennessee and some of the workers are thinking about joining the union and that makes sense because then their pay would be higher.From the WSJ
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The works council concept also proved a winner for some Chattanooga workers. Jonathan Walden, 39 years old, earns about $19.50 an hour—about $4 an hour more than starting workers at GM, Ford and Chrysler.
"I just don't trust them," said Danielle Brunner, 23, who has worked at the plant for nearly three years and makes about $20 an hour—about $5 an hour more than new hires at GM, Ford and Chrysler plants.
"I just don't trust them," said Danielle Brunner, 23, who has worked at the plant for nearly three years and makes about $20 an hour—about $5 an hour more than new hires at GM, Ford and Chrysler plants.
The humorous thing is that
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the union had the cooperation of Volkswagen management and the aid of Germany's powerful IG Metall union, yet it failed to win a majority among the plants 1,550 hourly workers.
The Chattanooga workers had been courted steadily for nearly two years by both the UAW and the IG Metall union, which pushed Volkswagen management to open talks with the UAW and to refrain from trying to dissuade American workers from union representation.
The Chattanooga workers had been courted steadily for nearly two years by both the UAW and the IG Metall union, which pushed Volkswagen management to open talks with the UAW and to refrain from trying to dissuade American workers from union representation.
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"The union needs new members. They have to organize the transplants or they don't have much of a future," said Sean McAlinden, chief economist at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich.
The election was also extraordinary because Volkswagen chose to cooperate closely with the UAW. Volkswagen allowed UAW organizers to campaign inside the factory—a step rarely seen in this or other industries.
The election was also extraordinary because Volkswagen chose to cooperate closely with the UAW. Volkswagen allowed UAW organizers to campaign inside the factory—a step rarely seen in this or other industries.
< WSJ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 17 2014,10:17 am
^^^I would have to agree with McAlinden, unions are dead in labor market.
The only place they thrive is public sector where they have no reason to be.
Posted by Moparman on Feb. 23 2014,7:55 pm
To bad that VW will probably never expand or improve their operations in the south due these employees inability to figure out their own companies co-determination style of management. Since they are now the only VW plant in the world without a works counsil, they pretty much screwed themselves. Why do you think VW management want this to pass so bad they banned any anti-union propaganda on company property?.. 
Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 23 2014,9:34 pm
Volkswagon didn't want to piss off supporters of unions even though Volkswagon supports republicans, anti union and anti worker .. They want to sell cars to everyone..I buy Ford.. I like GM also..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2014,6:43 am
^^^Piss-poor excuses for losing, plain and simple.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 24 2014,8:54 am
No, it's just the populace being led by the nose by a politician. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2014,10:18 am
^^^no. Being lead by the nose is a union tactic.
Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 24 2014,10:26 am
What is one of Liberal's favorite sayings? Oh yeah, elections have consequences.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2014,11:13 am
^^^Good or bad, they most certainly do.
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 24 2014,4:35 pm
The union is complaining. Seems that they believe they lost the vote because of people outside the company may have influenced the vote. They claim; are you ready for this?? They claim some of the workers may have been intimidated. QUOTE
"Our issue is really with outside third parties trying to threaten and intimidate both the company and workers," King said. "It was certainly not the company."
< Chicago Tribune >
< Chicago Tribune >
Isn't the art of intimidation what the UAW does best?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2014,5:30 pm
^^They might also didn't want to get sucked into a pension system bound to fail.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 25 2014,1:44 pm
(alcitizens @ Feb. 23 2014,9:34 pm)
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Volkswagon didn't want to piss off supporters of unions even though Volkswagon supports republicans, anti union and anti worker .. They want to sell cars to everyone..
I buy Ford.. I like GM also..
I buy Ford.. I like GM also..
VW supports anti worker
I can just imagine VW execs giving high fives and fist bumps to people lounging on a couch all day inside their plants.
You crack me up.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 25 2014,4:03 pm
What would you know about (ahem) manual labor? Ass getting sore yet? Stand up and go get a cup of cappuccino.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 25 2014,9:45 pm
I know enough that I'd rather have a desk job at this point in my life.
Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 26 2014,6:24 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 25 2014,9:45 pm)
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I know enough that I'd rather have a desk job at this point in my life.
You don't know crap, dumbass..
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 26 2014,7:11 am
(alcitizens @ Feb. 26 2014,6:24 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 25 2014,9:45 pm)
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I know enough that I'd rather have a desk job at this point in my life.
You don't know crap, dumbass..
Don't go making this about me now. I was only pointing out how ridiculous some of your statements sound and it made me laugh.
Rub some dirt in it. You'll be fine.
Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 26 2014,7:31 am
You are still a dumbass..
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,7:37 am
(alcitizens @ Feb. 26 2014,7:31 am)
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You are still a dumbass..
Wow, dazzling intelect.
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 26 2014,10:18 am
His vocabulary and reasoning ability exceed him.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 26 2014,10:36 am
Pretty wide brush you use there. Have you the data to back up such a remark? I know a few Marines that could clear that up for you.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,10:44 am
@4FdogWho served in the Military!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 26 2014,11:27 am
How humorous expatriot. GM, I know you could survive in them hills, no problem. (Broad brush)
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,11:28 am
IBEW Stands with UAW,Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 26 2014,12:54 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,11:28 am)
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IBEW Stands with UAW,
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
WAHHHHHH we didn't win... we want a new vote...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,1:29 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,10:44 am)
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@4Fdog
Who served in the Military!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
Who served in the Military!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
As opposed to Clinton who wrote that he "loathed" the military?
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,2:03 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 26 2014,1:29 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,10:44 am)
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@4Fdog
Who served in the Military!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
Who served in the Military!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
As opposed to Clinton who wrote that he "loathed" the military?
It’s real simple, let me break it down for you, when you post crap you get crap.
Maddog who has no military whatsoever, most likely because of a pilonidal cyst, posted some bull
about needing his kind to defend US, seems his kind run to hide when they get US in trouble!
< http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,2:11 pm
^ so now we start with the "I served my country in the military so I'm superior to you" bullsh!t?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,2:12 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,11:28 am)
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IBEW Stands with UAW,
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
DO OVER,
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,2:29 pm
(Glad I Left @ Feb. 26 2014,12:54 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,11:28 am)
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IBEW Stands with UAW,
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
WAHHHHHH we didn't win... we want a new vote...
You had some fairy influential Politicians making economical threats in attempt to scare voters
you also had several right-wing political organizations pumping money and propaganda at the VW workers.
These outside influences and direct threats from Politicians to withhold future funds crossed the line.
This isn’t a gray area, interfering with an employees ability to make a free and uncoerced choice of representation
is a real right defined in the National Labor Relations Act.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,2:56 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,2:29 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Feb. 26 2014,12:54 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,11:28 am)
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IBEW Stands with UAW,
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
Calls for New Volkswagen Vote
< http://www.ibew.org/articles/14daily/1402/140226_IBEWStands.htm >
WAHHHHHH we didn't win... we want a new vote...
You had some fairy influential Politicians making economical threats in attempt to scare voters
you also had several right-wing political organization pumping money and propaganda at the VW workers.
These outside influences and direct threats from Politicians to withhold future funds crossed the line.
This isn’t a gray area, interfering with an employees ability to make a free and uncoerced choice of representative
is a real right defined in the National Labor Relations Act.
The poor little union workers got scared
Now run away like the little bitch you are.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,3:51 pm
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 26 2014,5:05 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,2:03 pm)
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Maddog who has no military whatsoever, most likely because of a pilonidal cyst, posted some bull
about needing his kind to defend US, seems his kind run to hide when they get US in trouble!
about needing his kind to defend US, seems his kind run to hide when they get US in trouble!
I became eligible about 18 months after the fall of Saigon. I lost a few friends. There weren't many people signing up at that time.
The only ones signing up were traditional-God, Honor, Country boys and the ones with no future anywhere else.
Which group were you in?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,5:39 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 26 2014,3:51 pm)
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I knew he could do that, puts me on ignore, runs away like a little bitch.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 26 2014,6:35 pm
^^^^ Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 26 2014,6:52 pm
^^^^yep, smells like...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2014,4:58 am
Pretty good article< http://www.reuters.com/article...0140222 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2014,5:02 am
I like these
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2014,5:03 am
^^
Posted by Moparman on Feb. 28 2014,7:29 pm
Well it's been two weeks... No word on any expansion by VW in the south... As was promised by the anti-union politicians. So far it looks like the Tennessee brain wizards missed out on VW's 7 Billion North American expansion plans. What is it that comedian says? Oh ya...."Here's your sign"...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2014,7:46 pm
Yep, 2weeks is plenty of time to figure out how to spend billions
Posted by Moparman on Mar. 04 2014,1:38 pm
^^ Ah once again you have no knowledge of the story. VW has been planning this expansion for quite awhile. A major factor was getting the works council going in the Chattanooga plant. The works council can nix any expansion plans. The only way to have a works council is to have union representation. Get it now? Btw... it was that anti-worker Corker that promised that VW would announce expansion plans within two weeks if the union was voted down... Still waiting...
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2014,1:58 pm
< http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs...-announ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2014,2:02 pm
< http://america.aljazeera.com/article...th.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2014,2:05 pm
< http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...6 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2014,2:15 pm
Maybe they'll expand in Mexico.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 04 2014,4:10 pm
I think what happened is, VW wanted to build cars. They wanted to build cars with a stable workforce. I think certain politicians stuck their nose where it did not belong and came up with the opposite of what VW was looking for. They (politicians) ain't real smart you know. Maybe German manufacturers aren't used to backdoor politics.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 04 2014,4:22 pm
I have to agree with you on the politicians intellect.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 17 2014,12:24 pm
Published on Jul 11, 2014
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — The UAW today announced the formation of UAW Local 42, a new local union providing representation for employees at the Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga.
Organized by Volkswagen employees, Local 42 offers workers the opportunity for a voice in the workplace through the German automaker's "works council" approach to employee engagement. Volkswagen's business model is premised on employee representation, and Local 42 will represent any interested employees who join the local as members. No employees will be required to join.
"Earlier this year, the UAW was gratified to earn the confidence and support of many Volkswagen team members," said Dennis Williams, president of the UAW. "At that time, we said we would not give up on these committed and hard-working employees. We're keeping our promise."
Gary Casteel, the UAW's secretary-treasurer, who previously served as director of UAW Region 8 covering the South, emphasized: "Local 42 will be run by, and for, the employees at Volkswagen."
"We've had ongoing discussions with Volkswagen and have arrived at a consensus with the company," Casteel said. "Upon Local 42 signing up a meaningful portion of Volkswagen's Chattanooga workforce, we're confident the company will recognize Local 42 by dealing with it as a members' union that represents those employees who join the local. As part of this consensus, the UAW is committed to continuing its joint efforts with Volkswagen to ensure the company's expansion and growth in Chattanooga."
UAW officials renewed requests for the State of Tennessee to extend the economic incentives necessary for Volkswagen to add a new product line at the Chattanooga plant, and said the union will continue advocating for increased investment. "State officials have assured the public and the Volkswagen workforce that the decision on incentives for Chattanooga is not related to whether workers exercise their right to join a union," said Ray Curry, the newly elected director of UAW Region 8. "We are gratified by those assurances, and the state was right to give them."
UAW officials reiterated the reasoning for recently withdrawing objections to the February election at the plant, which was tainted by outside interference. "As Volkswagen's works council partner, the UAW's role is to encourage job creation and promote job security so that Volkswagen employees can achieve the American dream and Chattanooga's economy can prosper," Casteel said. "We withdrew objections to end the controversy and put the focus where it belongs: obtaining the economic incentives necessary to ensure the growth of Volkswagen in Chattanooga and the addition of a new product line."
Volkswagen employees formally announced Local 42 at an afternoon news conference, and immediately began communicating with fellow team members and with the plant's management about next steps in advancing the works council partnership.
"Being part of the creation of an American-style works council is a chance to do something new and different," said Michael Cantrell, a Volkswagen paint technician. "This is about securing good jobs for the future of the plant and Chattanooga, and building lasting partnerships between management and team members."
Additionally, Local 42 members pledged to get involved in the community — as UAW members have done in other communities across the country — to support charitable causes, youth programs and other local needs. "I see Local 42 as an opportunity to give back to Chattanooga and southeast Tennessee," said Myra Montgomery, a quality inspector in the Volkswagen plant. "As our membership grows, people are going to see us very active in this community."
Local 42 members declared workforce development to be a top priority, and said they would work with Volkswagen and the UAW to organize job-training opportunities so that employees can continually expand their skills as new technologies emerge and manufacturing processes change.
"Having access to the UAW's expertise and support will keep the plant competitive and will keep our workforce on the cutting edge of productivity and quality," said Jonathan Walden, who works in the Volkswagen plant's paint department. "The members of Local 42 are ready to roll up our sleeves and focus on the future."
United Automobile Workers (UAW) has more than 390,000 members and more than 750 local unions across America. Since its founding in 1935, the UAW has developed partnerships with employers and supported industry-leading wages and benefits for its members.
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Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2014,12:46 pm
^^^ well how about that? The uaw gets to set up their little "she man's corperate haters club"So will anyone join? Nothing more in pay, no added benefits and a chunk taken out of their paycheck every week?
Hmmm...
I guess they want Chattanooga to look like Detroit.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 18 2014,5:54 am
Well, the company wants it, the people want it. The politicians didn't want it. What difference does it make to you, sb? 
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2014,7:54 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 17 2014,12:46 pm)
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Hmmm...
I guess they want Chattanooga to look like Detroit.
I guess they want Chattanooga to look like Detroit.
The corporate decision to move production to Mexico and China for minimal wage workers no health care or retirement costs and no environmental control or pollution regulations, corporate greed killed Detroit.
It’s the giant sucking sound Ross Perot warned US about!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2014,7:56 am
No, union greed killed Detroit, nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2014,7:59 am
(grassman @ Jul. 18 2014,5:54 am)
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Well, the company wants it, the people want it. The politicians didn't want it. What difference does it make to you, sb?
Ummm, the people voted once before, they didn't want it.
If they vote again and the union gets in, at least they're in a right to work state and workers won't be forced to join if they don't want to.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2014,8:35 am
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No, union greed killed Detroit, nothing more, nothing less.
It’s the American Worker’s buying power that drives the World economy, that power is being eroded by Republican
corporate owned politicians!
It really wouldn’t matter what the wage was or is in Detroit, shortsighted corporate greed for a fast profit killed the city!
Where’s Corporate America's fast buck policy got US, they’ve modernized and enriched China who now threatens to take
Taiwan and several southern Japanese Islands and have expanded their claim of territorial waters in the South China Sea.
The real shortsighted policy here is they’re putting their own best customer the American Public in the poorhouse, when the
American worker will work for the same meager wage as the Chinese there’s no buying power left the world economy collapses!
The prisons are full up, worst case scenario public insurrection, the government crumbles, capitalism’s demise, not good for you or me kid.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2014,10:18 am
We're far from insurrection, and as far as capitalism goes...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2014,10:20 am
And if you're looking for another reason for business's moving out of the country I suggest you take a look at our country's corperate tax rate, highest in the world.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2014,11:17 am
there’s so many loopholes that the real corporate tax rate in the US is the lowest in the world, it’s healthcare, retirement and labor coststhe robber barons are avoiding by offshoring jobs.
< http://www.reuters.com/article...0140226 >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2014,11:25 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2014,1:36 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 18 2014,11:17 am)
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there’s so many loopholes that the real corporate tax rate in the US is the lowest in the world, it’s healthcare, retirement and labor costs
the robber barons are avoiding by offshoring jobs.
< http://www.reuters.com/article...0140226 >
the robber barons are avoiding by offshoring jobs.
< http://www.reuters.com/article...0140226 >
Well then move offshore,
I just can't seem to get through your thick, dumbass brain that unless you own the company the job does not belong to you.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 18 2014,11:26 pm
I know a few teamsters, I think I will send them your way. They need a job. LOL You mentioned once that you worked at the packing house at one time. You weren't one of those pissy pants boys that left their helmet on the fence by the guard shack and never come back?! Mom said I didn't have to work this hard!!!!!
You don't know what you say till you live it!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2014,6:17 am
(grassman @ Jul. 18 2014,11:26 pm)
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I know a few teamsters, I think I will send them your way. They need a job. LOL
You mentioned once that you worked at the packing house at one time. You weren't one of those pissy pants boys that left their helmet on the fence by the guard shack and never come back?! Mom said I didn't have to work this hard!!!!!
You don't know what you say till you live it!
You mentioned once that you worked at the packing house at one time. You weren't one of those pissy pants boys that left their helmet on the fence by the guard shack and never come back?! Mom said I didn't have to work this hard!!!!!
You don't know what you say till you live it!
I'm not looking for any drivers right now but if they're out of work teamsters I'm sure the teamsters will take care of them
My time in the packing plant was nothing more than a summer job before college. I suppose union is good there, gives workers a little false hope while they're pulling the guts out some animal.
I don't mind the unions, I just don't like that a worker is forced to join if they want a job.
By the way, I grew up on a farm, a real farm that had to be worked 365 days a year. Working in the plant was rather easy compared to that.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2014,12:48 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 19 2014,6:17 am)
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By the way, I grew up on a farm, a real farm that had to be worked 365 days a year. Working in the plant was rather easy compared to that.
you need some education kid, you're batting for the wrong team!
packinghouse money is never easy money! unless you're a scab!
< http://www.ctj.org/ >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2014,5:14 pm
So you saying one makes more money not being in the union (scab) I'll take that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2014,5:42 pm
So how about the "union boys" on this site answer a couple of questions,If unions are so great why...
Do they have to have a business owner collect the union dues? One would think that members would be falling over themselves to make sure their diues are paid.
Why are workers in closed shop states forced to join? If it's so great one wod think workers would be knocking the door down to be in the club.
Let's not avoid these questions this time huh?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2014,10:40 pm
As far as answering your questions, I’ll just say the sky is blue, I’m sure you’ll claim I'm wrong!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2014,6:46 am
No, I await an answer, avoiding it???
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2014,7:20 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2014,10:45 am
^^^c'mon! Is that the best you got! Insults? No valid responses?Answer the questions please.Or shall I answer them for you, embarrass you(if that's possible)
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2014,6:24 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 19 2014,12:48 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 19 2014,6:17 am)
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By the way, I grew up on a farm, a real farm that had to be worked 365 days a year. Working in the plant was rather easy compared to that.
you need some education kid, you're batting for the wrong team!
packinghouse money is never easy money! unless you're a scab!
< http://www.ctj.org/ >
You need an education dumbass, maybe this will help,
< http://www.redstate.com/diary...tivists >
Maybe you should also notice Jack London was a devoted socialist
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 20 2014,8:58 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 18 2014,7:56 am)
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No, union greed killed Detroit, nothing more, nothing less.
Blue collar wages and benefits steadily declined in recent decades while executive compensation skyrocketed during the same period. How do you figure it was "union greed" when the union was getting less and executives kept getting more? I'd say your pointing the "greed" label at the wrong side of the street.
We were told the same thing with the Hostess bankruptcies, the executives give themselves bonuses while they're bankrupting the company, at the same time they're forcing ANOTHER union concession. But when the press release is issued you can guess who they blame.
Similar to what Mitt Romney did in the companies he
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2014,10:11 pm
I like this one, they use the term " failed obamaism"< http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/56953 >
Forbes article is pretty good too...
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...is-left >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2014,10:15 pm
Even a progressive rag like USA Today...< http://www.usatoday.com/story...2567559 >
And they are so right, bloated gov and unions.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2014,10:19 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 20 2014,10:45 am)
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Or shall I answer them for you, embarrass you(if that's possible)
The only person on this forum you’ve embarrassed is yourself.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2014,5:26 am
^^^Typical, send an independent to do a union idiot job right...Question,
Do they have to have a business owner collect the union dues? One would think that members would be falling over themselves to make sure their diues are paid.
Of course they force the business owner to collect dues, makes the union go hand in hand with the gov withholding $$$, just like the thug and his muscle.most people if they had a (pay attention to this word now) CHOICE would tell the union collector to either come back another day or just to piss off.
Next question
Why are workers in closed shop states forced to join? If it's so great one wod think workers would be knocking the door down to be in the club.
Because some people, if given a choice, would opt out of joining and the thugs can't have that, in order to keep their sheep in order they need 100% compliance. Any signs of individualism threaten their authority.
When the state politicians start knocking on my door later this summer or when I run into them at the fair I'll be asking their positions on turning MN into a right to work state.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 21 2014,9:49 am
You mean turning Minnesota into 3rd world state with a five dollar a day wage like Mexico. your hate for the working class shines through in every post you makeor is it your ignorance.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2014,10:53 am
^^ I am the reaL working class
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 21 2014,10:54 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2014,11:23 am
^^more so than any union idiot 
So are you going to answer the questions or are you just going to go on like a braying jackass?
Your lack of responses are proving my point.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 21 2014,12:03 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 21 2014,1:00 pm
I don't know what you posted not do I careI think I've made my points
Make sure you're nice to the nurse that changes your bedpan Nutjob.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 21 2014,10:38 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2014,5:32 am
Ah, the thugs < http://video.foxnews.com/v...w-clips >