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Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2012,10:39 pm

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WASHINGTON -- A pro-life, family-values congressman who worked as a doctor before winning election as a Tea Party-backed Republican had an affair with a patient and later pressured her to get an abortion, according to a phone call transcript obtained by The Huffington Post.

The congressman, Rep. Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee, was trying to save his marriage at the time, according to his remarks on the call, made in September of 2000. And, according to three independent sources familiar with the call and the recording, he made the tape himself.

DesJarlais, who was provided a copy of the transcript by HuffPost, did not deny its contents, but in a statement released through his campaign characterized it as just another sordid detail dredged up by the opposition. "Desperate personal attacks do not solve our nation's problems, yet it appears my opponents are choosing to once again engage in the same gutter politics that CBS news called the dirtiest in the nation just 2 years ago."

That race featured charges culled from DesJarlais' divorce from Susan DesJarlais, which was finalized in 2001. The filing included allegations that he held a gun in his own mouth for hours in one instance and that he "dry fired" a gun outside his wife's bedroom in another.

DesJarlais' campaign vigorously denied those charges in his 2010 race against Democratic Rep. Lincoln Davis, saying they were hauled out of history for political purposes and had not been deemed credible at the time.

But the new transcript and other revelations from court documents paint a more damning picture of a man who was a serial philanderer willing to push one of his lovers -- whom he met as a patient with a foot problem -- to terminate a pregnancy, even when he suspected he was the father.

"You told me you'd have an abortion, and now we're getting too far along without one," DesJarlais tells the woman at one point in the call while negotiating with her over whether he'll reveal her identity to his wife. They then discuss whether he will accompany her to a procedure to end the sort of life the congressman now describes as "sacred."

"You told me you would have time to go with me and everything," the woman complains.

"I said, if I could, I would, didn't I? And I will try," DesJarlais says. "If I can [find] time, you're saying you still will?"

"Yeah," the woman answers.

The two bicker over when they can meet to hash out a solution, and they make clear the nature of their relationship when DesJarlais says delaying a resolution isn't fair to his wife.

"This is not fair to me. I don't want you in my life," the woman says.

< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012...36.html >

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 10 2012,11:03 pm

So the man failed "if" the story is correct, I can think of a few dems that have issues and it was glossed over it proves people well are human and prone to have issues how about D.W.S. (the mouth) and her parents perhaps?

We all cannot be perfect I am sure at one point in time we all have commited an indiscretion or two, and Al I am sure has commited quite a few, some don't learn from them and do it again and again expecting a different result. It's like socialism every time it's tried it brings misery to the masses while the ruling class live like kings but some are willing to keep trying to live the dream.

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 11 2012,5:20 am

If republicans like to lecture everyone else about morality, personal responsibility, family values, etc. You can't be surprised when they're called out on their hypocrisy.

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It's like socialism every time it's tried it brings misery to the masses while the ruling class live like kings but some are willing to keep trying to live the dream.

So whenever a democrat is in office we magically turn from capitalism to the hammer & sickle. Because according to Fox and AM radio the transformation occurs in January if a guy with a D next to his name gets the oath of office.

In the meantime repubs policy is to raise regressive taxes every chance they get (property, payroll, sales, sin, etc.). "Cut the waste" they say, sadly the government waste they've been referring to is nursing homes, roads, and schools.

Heaven forbid you ask the venture capitalists or CEO's to pay the same percentage though, why, that would be communist. :dunce:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 11 2012,8:49 am

Well it seems dems love taking from one group to give to another in the interest of perceived fairness, the say they are all about the middle class but I have been buried and am worse off than 4 years ago. They promised my healthcare costs would go down but they did not, they went up. They promised to cut the national debit in half but it exploded plus they did not pass a budget even in the first two years when they had total control.

Now they lied in the Libya from the top down now we have four more dead Americans due to the administrations incompetence on top of the fast and furious body count.

Moochelle tells the kids what they can eat, the EPA has the kids becoming the "obama youth" kind of like another youth program in the early 1940's. Where the kids get training by running around schools turning off lights switches, shutting doors whatever to save mother earth I guess the even get some uniform like items, the jack boots cannot be to far behind can they?

Promise kept energy costs have necessarily skyrocketed

Oh...the jobs report "accidentally" left a large state out of the report yeah nobody is cooking the books their are they?

The world is a "much better place" now than it was four years ago :sarcasm:

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 12 2012,8:23 am

This was 12 years ago!! Long before he was ever a representative. Lots of people change their political views in 12 years! Maybe he learned from his indiscretion :dunno:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 12 2012,9:04 pm

FYI

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 14 2012,10:50 am

Seriously A.L. ? :crazy:

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 14 2012,1:35 pm

(Santorini @ Oct. 14 2012,10:50 am)

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Seriously A.L. ? :crazy:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 14 2012,6:07 pm

The bible was written by men thousand of years after modern man was known to have lived on earth, the bible says god created the first man, the bible says man created the first woman(Eve)..

Why did women get put in charge of giving birth when according to the bible, the first man(Adam) could create a woman from his own body?

Women have always been treated as a lessor form of life since the beginning of time, they weren't even given credit for the birth of modern man..

Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) :crazy:

Posted by grassman on Oct. 14 2012,6:23 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 14 2012,6:07 pm)

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Why did women get put in charge of giving birth when according to the bible, the first man(Adam) could create a woman from his own body?

Women have always been treated as a lessor form of life since the beginning of time, they weren't even given credit for the birth of modern man..

Because Eve was the one who talked Adam into eating the apple. God said that she would have to suffer the pain of child birth.

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 14 2012,6:31 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 14 2012,6:07 pm)

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Adam did not/could not create Eve. God created Eve using Adams rib. What Bible are you reading?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 14 2012,7:52 pm

(grassman @ Oct. 14 2012,6:23 pm)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 14 2012,6:07 pm)

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Because Eve was the one who talked Adam into eating the apple. God said that she would have to suffer the pain of child birth.

So let me get this clear.. The bible was written thousands of years after Adam and Eve by only men and it states that God wanted women to SUFFER the pain of child birth because of Eve's sin and;

(Moparman)

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Adam did not/could not create Eve. God created Eve using Adams rib. What Bible are you reading?

God needed a rib from Adam to create a woman..

Why would God need a rib from Adam to create a woman? God could create a man from nothing, why not create a woman from nothing and why would God want any of his children to SUFFER?

So Republicans want to FORCE a woman to SUFFER through a child birth they do not want to endure because of a bible that was written by men?

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 14 2012,9:08 pm

So it's the Republicans that force women to suffer through child birth.

Funny, I suppose next you will claim they were there for the breeding too.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am

Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 16 2012,7:43 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am)

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Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

Democrats pass laws to make others (by the force of the government) to pay for the birth control for another.

So al why do I need to pay for sandra's birth control she is hard on the eyes and apparently needs a lot of birth control more than average, she must be rather "popular" :dunno:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 16 2012,9:33 am

^ I suppose if one thinks about it it keeps the Lib population in check.

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 16 2012,9:37 am

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 16 2012,7:43 am)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am)

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Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

Do you even know how birth control works?

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 16 2012,8:48 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 16 2012,9:37 am)

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(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 16 2012,7:43 am)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am)

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Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

Do you even know how birth control works?

Soooo.....Tell me why I need to pay for a strangers birth control and why is it OK for the government to take from me to give to sandra please elaborate.

P.S. I do know how "it" works :rockon:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 16 2012,8:50 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 16 2012,9:33 am)

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^ I suppose if one thinks about it it keeps the Lib population in check.

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 17 2012,12:03 pm

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 16 2012,8:48 pm)

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(SimpleLife @ Oct. 16 2012,9:37 am)

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(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 16 2012,7:43 am)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am)

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Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

Do you even know how birth control works?

Soooo....Tell me why I need to pay for a strangers birth control and why is it OK for the government to take from me to give to sandra please elaborate.

P.S. I do know how "it" works :rockon:

Okay, because with that "more than average" comment, it makes me wonder.

What is the government taking from you, exactly? Your insurance premium? You mean, the same insurance premium that woman pays every month?

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 18 2012,4:08 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 15 2012,12:31 am)

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Republican lawmakers continue to pass laws to restrict a woman's right to have an abortion..

YES

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,7:57 pm

So you think a woman's Constitutional Right to an abortion should be eliminated?

Republicans always want to restrict freedoms.. :dunce:

Posted by busybee on Oct. 19 2012,12:31 am

Seriously???

I can't believe some of you think it's "normal" to blame political party affiliation for everything, including birth control expenses and/or the expense of unwanted pregnancies.

As far as I am concerned, neither party holds the golden rule of perfection when it comes to this concept because people are genuinely human by nature first...not political...

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,1:44 am

War on Women

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2012,4:31 am

^ once again, numbnuts goes with wiki. :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2012,1:13 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 18 2012,7:57 pm)

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So you think a woman's Constitutional Right to an abortion should be eliminated?

I guess first you would have to determine whose constitutional rights should be eliminated. The woman's or the unborn child's?

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Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,2:04 pm

Does a pregnant woman have the right to chemo and radiation to save her own life from cancer so she can have a future life or would the fetus have the right to a future life?

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2012,2:13 pm

^ in the case of a mother health, by all means, take care of the
Mother. But if Rosie Rottencrotch was lazy or too cheap to buy birth control or make her partner wear a condom on saturday night I'd say no. But for the most part, it's none of my business.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 19 2012,4:56 pm

Not too many good women would kill their baby to save their own life.

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 19 2012,6:31 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 19 2012,2:13 pm)

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Yes, because those are the *only* was an unplanned pregnancy would happen, or why a women would choose to have an abortion.

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 19 2012,6:33 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 19 2012,4:56 pm)

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Not too many good women would kill their baby to save their own life.

Psh, I would. In a minute. I have 3 other children at home depending on me. Would I feel sad? Yes. Would I wish there was another way? Absolutely. But I repeat, I would absolutely make that choice.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,7:18 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 19 2012,4:56 pm)

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Not too many good women would kill their baby to save their own life.

Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion >

They're not considered a baby until the viable age of 27 weeks..

Picture:
Abortion in the United States by gestational age, 2004. (Data source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 19 2012,9:21 pm

27 weeks? Maybe you should go to a NICU sometime and see a " fetus" or "embryo" fighting for there lives everyday. Your off by about 3 or 4 weeks. But hey, whatever makes the selfish, irresponsible crowd feel better...

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,9:40 pm

That's probably why 98.6% of abortions are done at or before 20 weeks..

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy >

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 19 2012,10:23 pm

I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Posted by busybee on Oct. 19 2012,10:28 pm

Moparman · Posted on Oct. 19 2012,9:21 pm

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27 weeks? Maybe you should go to a NICU sometime and see a " fetus" or "embryo" fighting for there lives everyday.

Chances are a child in the NICU was wanted or even if they weren't to begin with...the mother made the choice to want them.

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Your off by about 3 or 4 weeks. But hey, whatever makes the selfish, irresponsible crowd feel better...

What about women who are raped? Are they supposed to make a lifetime commitment to a child that was conceived out of violence just because it makes some religious or political party driven person "happy" with their choice?

Further, man is equally responsible for the creation of an unwanted pregnancy as a woman is...

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 20 2012,12:11 am

Exactly!!! Make the choice before you partake in behavior that can lead to pregnancy. Again it is selfish and irresponsible to engage in activities and then not own up to the consequences because they are "inconvienent".

There is no choice involved in cases of rape. Tragic, difficult decisions will need to be made. Nobody would think this is a "happy" situation. It should be just as easy to kill the rapist.

Yes the man is equally responsible, absolutely true. However he does not have an equal say in the fate of the child even though they both used their bodies to create it.

Posted by busybee on Oct. 20 2012,1:12 am

A woman in the U.S. is more likely to be raped by a man who they KNOW than a man who is a stranger to them,, so how does one apply "unwanted pregnancy" in this country when there's obviously "proof" that the woman knew the man who raped her and got her pregnant even though she didn't plan or want to be pregnant???

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 20 2012,9:28 am

(Moparman @ Oct. 19 2012,10:23 pm)

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I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Because birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time, right?

Posted by busybee on Oct. 20 2012,12:50 pm

Protection is supposed to be 100% if the person is a male and didn't take the responsibility of protecting themselves prior to having sex with a female and they get pregnant with their child even though they didn't want that to happen... :notworthy:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 20 2012,4:57 pm

Posted by busybee on Oct. 21 2012,1:50 am

Does political affiliation have anything to do with this?

I honestly don't think it does...

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,2:08 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 10 2012,10:39 pm)

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Does this help Ms Bee?

Between you, Rosalind and Santiani, maybe Republicans are on to something with their "war on women"..

Posted by busybee on Oct. 21 2012,2:25 am

All I'm saying is a "man" is going to be a man first (not saying all men are the same though) regardless of their political party choice when it comes to their personal lives. Men who are democrats have made poor choices too...remember what President Clinton did? That certainly doesn't mean that all men who are elected as democrats would make the same poor choices as he did that created controversy for our country.

Responsibility and accountable of elected officials should be based upon performance and credibility of the job they do for non-personal relationships with U.S. Citizens...NOT what U.S. Citizen's consider as their right to judge an elected official on their personal life choices just to smear the entire political party they don't support.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,2:52 am

This guy wants to pass laws to put women in prison for having an abortion..

Posted by busybee on Oct. 21 2012,3:25 am

Alcitizens...Are you're seriously telling me you're worried that he'll convince others to agree with him???

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,3:46 am

Are you seriously that stupid?

States Enact Record Number of Abortion Restrictions in 2011

< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012...07.html >

Posted by busybee on Oct. 21 2012,4:06 am

Nope...not stupid...just being honest about my opinion that I don't think politics affect every decision made by the people of the U.S...if you don't like that I think that way...it's your problem, not mine.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2012,6:11 am

^ You forget Bee, that he follows his god Obama and everything Obama says is gospel according to Obama. Al.has forgotten this is a democracy.

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 21 2012,11:40 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 21 2012,2:08 am)

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(Liberal @ Oct. 10 2012,10:39 pm)

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Does this help Ms Bee?

Between you, Rosalind and Santiani, maybe Republicans are on to something with their "war on women"..

War on Women

another fabricated slogan by the left to keep focus off the real issues women are truely concerned about...jobs, economy, food etc.
Thing is.. most women are smart enough to see right through this tactic. As stated in another post, women need to be talked to above the neck instead of the lefts focus...below the waist! This administration has denigrated women to a point where their only focus with women has been their reproduction...this should outrage women :angry:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 21 2012,11:53 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 21 2012,6:11 am)

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^ You forget Bee, that he follows his god Obama and everything Obama says is gospel according to Obama. Al.has forgotten this is a democracy.

SB- Constitutional Republic. The United States was NEVER founded as a democracy. Our founding fathers detested democracies.

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 21 2012,12:53 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 20 2012,9:28 am)

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(Moparman @ Oct. 19 2012,10:23 pm)

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I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Because birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time, right?

No it's not. Your missing the point, even if you use all the protection in the world there still is a chance to get pregnant. Both the man and the woman need to realize that and be willing to take responsibility if it happens.

If one wants 100% protection, man or woman, than they need to get fixed.

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 21 2012,5:43 pm

(Moparman @ Oct. 21 2012,12:53 pm)

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(SimpleLife @ Oct. 20 2012,9:28 am)

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(Moparman @ Oct. 19 2012,10:23 pm)

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I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Because birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time, right?

Even vasectomies and tubals aren't 100% effective. So you're telling me that I'd need to get a hysterectomy as my birth control? What about if I want more children in the future?

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2012,6:37 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Oct. 21 2012,11:53 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 21 2012,6:11 am)

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^ You forget Bee, that he follows his god Obama and everything Obama says is gospel according to Obama. Al.has forgotten this is a democracy.

SB- Constitutional Republic. The United States was NEVER founded as a democracy. Our founding fathers detested democracies.

Sorry GD, you are most certainly right :thumbsup:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,9:03 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Oct. 21 2012,11:53 am)

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SB- Constitutional Republic. The United States was NEVER founded as a democracy. Our founding fathers detested democracies.

ObamaCare is Constitutional because the Constitution says it is..
Just ask the Supreme Court..

Abortion is Constitutional because the Constitution says it is..
Just ask the Supreme Court..

Chances are abortion will become illegal if Romney becomes president.. He will appoint Republican judges to the Supreme Court.. Women will no longer have a Choice..

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 21 2012,9:46 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 21 2012,5:43 pm)

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(Moparman @ Oct. 21 2012,12:53 pm)

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(SimpleLife @ Oct. 20 2012,9:28 am)

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I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Because birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time, right?

Even vasectomies and tubals aren't 100% effective. So you're telling me that I'd need to get a hysterectomy as my birth control? What about if I want more children in the future?

Ok since you still don't seem to understand: HAVING SEX CAN LEAD TO PREGNANCY... If you still have testicles, a uterus, and ovaries there is always a chance, however remote, of becoming pregnant when you have sex if your method/procedure fails. You need to be prepared for that possibility whether it's right now or in the future.

I should not have used 100%, since even abortion itself has a failure rate.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,10:32 pm

Many times a man walks away from a woman to let them carry and suffer the painful birth of a child by themselves ..

I wish men like you could become pregnant and be forced to give birth out of your a-hole..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 22 2012,5:32 am

^ like your birth???

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 22 2012,12:47 pm

(Moparman @ Oct. 21 2012,9:46 pm)

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I guess that makes it all ok then.. Maybe if more people put more thought and took more responsibility at 0 weeks this would be a non issue.

Because birth control is 100% effective 100% of the time, right?

Even vasectomies and tubals aren't 100% effective. So you're telling me that I'd need to get a hysterectomy as my birth control? What about if I want more children in the future?

Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 22 2012,3:12 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 21 2012,9:03 pm)

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(Grinning_Dragon @ Oct. 21 2012,11:53 am)

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SB- Constitutional Republic. The United States was NEVER founded as a democracy. Our founding fathers detested democracies.

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 22 2012,3:22 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 21 2012,9:03 pm)

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(Grinning_Dragon @ Oct. 21 2012,11:53 am)

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SB- Constitutional Republic. The United States was NEVER founded as a democracy. Our founding fathers detested democracies.

seriously alcitizen,
there are been how many republican presidents since 1973 and how many times has roe v wade been overturned :dunce:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 22 2012,3:55 pm

It would not take much to overturn the Roe decision. With four of the nine members of the Supreme Court over 70 years old, the next occupant of the White House could have the opportunity to appoint one or more new justices. If say, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the oldest member, retired and Mr. Romney named a replacement hostile to abortion rights, the basic right to abortion might well not survive.

The result would turn back the clock to the days before Roe v. Wade when abortion was legal only in some states, but not in others. There is every indication that about half the states would make abortion illegal within a year of Roe being struck down, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

< http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/opinion/if-roe-v-wade-goes.html?_r=0 >

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 22 2012,5:17 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 21 2012,10:32 pm)

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And that's the baby's fault how?

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 22 2012,5:30 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 22 2012,12:47 pm)

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 22 2012,6:06 pm

You've picked a bigger booger than what an early abortion consists of.. It ain't no baby, its more like a period..

Sh!t happens sometimes.. Learn from it and move on, just don't ever force a woman to do something they don't want to do.. Its the woman's choice, not yours..

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 22 2012,7:09 pm

A booger? Are you seriously trivializing abortion down to the same level as picking your nose? I guess whatever makes you feel better.

So by your logic if the man chooses to walk out or not pay child support that's ok because he should not be forced to do anything he does not want to do? crap happens right?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 22 2012,7:34 pm

Choice's can have consequences..

Posted by busybee on Oct. 22 2012,9:02 pm

Moparman · Posted on Oct. 22 2012,7:09 pm

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So by your logic if the man chooses to walk out or not pay child support that's ok because he should not be forced to do anything he does not want to do? crap happens right?

A man can get out of paying child support...still to this day...with no real consequences for it. Thus, I applaud any man who takes it "like a responsible father" and pays child support even if they hate doing it... :clap:

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 23 2012,9:21 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 22 2012,7:34 pm)

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Choice's can have consequences..

Now youre starting to understand :thumbsup:

people need to think about your statement the next time they choose sex and dont want pregnacy to result or disease etc!

Posted by SimpleLife on Oct. 23 2012,2:55 pm

(Moparman @ Oct. 22 2012,5:30 pm)

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(SimpleLife @ Oct. 22 2012,12:47 pm)

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 23 2012,3:12 pm

^ constitutional???

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 23 2012,3:46 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 23 2012,2:55 pm)

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

Once again I said responsible. But if the easy way out makes you feel better....

Wouldn't it be nice if all unwanted mistakes brought on by choice could be permanently removed with an afternoon and a few hundreds bucks: DUI, credit card debt, criminal records, a bad mortgage, etc....

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 23 2012,4:30 pm

(SimpleLife @ Oct. 23 2012,2:55 pm)

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(SimpleLife @ Oct. 22 2012,12:47 pm)

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

yep, killing a baby, now thats responsible

prevention :clap:

now your talkin about responsibility!

ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

Once again I said responsible. But if the easy way out makes you feel better...

Wouldn't it be nice if all unwanted mistakes brought on by choice could be permanently removed with an afternoon and a few hundreds bucks: DUI, credit card debt, criminal records, a bad mortgage, etc...

Good one

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ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Millions of fertilized human eggs go down the toilet and out in the trash every month because of the use of birth control pills..

BABY KILLERS!! :sarcasm:

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

yep, killing a baby, now thats responsible

prevention :clap:

now your talkin about responsibility!

ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Let me ask you, if that baby I don't abort turns out to be gay, are you still going to fight for its rights?

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

Do you realize that a surgical abortion is safer for a woman than birth? And that a woman is more likely to be killed by her partner when she's pregnant than at any other point in her life? Last time I checked, debt didn't threaten anyone's life.

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ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Millions of fertilized human eggs go down the toilet and out in the trash every month because of the use of birth control pills..

BABY KILLERS!! :sarcasm:

fertilized human eggs

hmmm

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

yep, killing a baby, now thats responsible

prevention :clap:

now your talkin about responsibility!

ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Let me ask you, if that baby I don't abort turns out to be gay, are you still going to fight for its rights?

that was a stupid, bigoted statement.

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

simple, even you have more common sense than that :dunno:

Childbirth is a natural process the body prepares for...
abortion is a means of interrupting of that natural process...
gee, I dunno, which do you think the body perfers :dunce:

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ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Millions of fertilized human eggs go down the toilet and out in the trash every month because of the use of birth control pills..

BABY KILLERS!! :sarcasm:

fertilized human eggs

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Women's eggs are fertilized days before the zygote reaches the uterus.. Birth control pills don't allow the zygote to attach to the uterus..

Hence fertilized human eggs are aborted chemically with a hormone reaction by millions of sexually active women every month..

Got a problem with that?

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

Do you realize that you have greater chance of getting killed in a car accident on your way to the abortion clinic? It would be safer to stay home. Using abortion as a safety issue is just plain silly.

So your saying nobody has lost their life over a debt?

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

yep, killing a baby, now thats responsible

prevention :clap:

now your talkin about responsibility!

ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Let me ask you, if that baby I don't abort turns out to be gay, are you still going to fight for its rights?

that was a stupid, bigoted statement.

That you haven't answered.

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

simple, even you have more common sense than that :dunno:

Childbirth is a natural process the body prepares for...
abortion is a means of interrupting of that natural process...
gee, I dunno, which do you think the body perfers :dunce:

I'm sorry, are you trying to say childbirth is safer because the body "prefers" it? Because scientific data proves otherwise.

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

The very fact of being in debt will not kill you. It may put stress on you that causes health problems (so does pregnancy), it causes some people to take their own lives (so does pregnancy), but debt itself will not kill you. Pregnancy can.

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Anecdotes can be fun, until they are used as a lame excuse to promote selfish, irresponsible behavior. Your "safety" argument is nothing more than a weak attempt to justify bad choices.

Could you counterdict yourself a little more on your debt statement? Just the fact of being pregnant will not kill you either. Complications could certainly arise, but like everything else in life there is a risk (however small) associated with everything.

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What life-threatening complications are common with debt?

EDIT: You know what? I take that back. It doesn't matter what's common with debt. It's a straw man argument and I'm pissed at myself that I fell for it. I don't care if my reasons for being pro-choice matter to you, because it's none of your damn business. A woman's decision to have an abortion is between her and her doctor, and the public's opinion doesn't matter. Abortion is a legal, legitimate, safe medical procedure that women have the RIGHT to. It's performed in every state of the union. It's performed in every major hospital in the country. So put on your blinders and pretend that only crack whores who don't want another damn mouth to feed are the ones going to Planned Parenthood with $300 they blackmailed out of their boyfriend, while in many states women are on the verge of resorting to back-alley abortions because people like you are crying about dead babies and closing down legitimate medical centers. Ignorance is bliss.

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 25 2012,5:36 pm

Whatever makes you feel better. It's not performed in every major hospital in the country (there is a world famous one right down the road that does not do it). The way you describe abortion sounds a lot like how lobotomies were used back in the thirties and forties. So you can say I have blinders on or that I'm ignorant, I really could care less. I at least have the vision and intelligence to realize that abortion has little to do about "choice" and a lot to do about making a poor choice disappear.

Posted by busybee on Oct. 26 2012,3:12 am

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

Anecdotes are fun as long as you're not the one who is a pregnant U.S. Female with child because the "father" raped you and didn't die in a car accident and people like you don't give a crap who has to pay for and provide for an innocent child who was created "out of wedlock" because it's NOT YOUR PROBLEM is it???

Sounds to me like you don't care if the mother of any child that is born is a created out of rape...love...or carelessness. You're just looking to blame the woman of every child born that isn't "created" under your perfections just so you can bitch that it's causing YOU problems in your life.

Some pro-lifer you are...

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I assume you're referring to Mayo Clinic. Unfortunately for you, you're wrong. What's that about your vision and intelligence?

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ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Millions of fertilized human eggs go down the toilet and out in the trash every month because of the use of birth control pills..

BABY KILLERS!! :sarcasm:

fertilized human eggs

hmmm

dont speak from experience cause I never used BC, but, from a medical standpoint you are partially right meaning if there is break-thru ovulation that occurs. However, some types of oral BC prevent the release of eggs or cause the uterus to thicking therefore blocking sperm from meeting and fertilizing which is why I (?) the fertilization statement you made.

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

yep, killing a baby, now thats responsible

prevention :clap:

now your talkin about responsibility!

ya know, its also your right to shoulder the burden of killing a child around with you for the rest of your life too!!

Let me ask you, if that baby I don't abort turns out to be gay, are you still going to fight for its rights?

that was a stupid, bigoted statement.

That you haven't answered.

yea Its answered :dunce:

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Would you like to break it to my husband that we can't have sex anymore, or should I?

Who ever said you can't have sex anymore? It's about taking responsibility for the possible consequences that can happen.

Which includes my constitutional right to an abortion, if I so choose.

simple, even you have more common sense than that :dunno:

Childbirth is a natural process the body prepares for...
abortion is a means of interrupting of that natural process...
gee, I dunno, which do you think the body perfers :dunce:

I'm sorry, are you trying to say childbirth is safer because the body "prefers" it? Because scientific data proves otherwise.

No, scientific data does not support your statement...planned parenthood, pro-choice sites, etc. they and their agenda support your statement!

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

seriously, get over the rhetoric! The number of women who get pregnant secondary to reported rapes is minute compared to the millions of babies murdered by abortion! You want rape victims to be able to get an abortion...okay! Let it go...we get that...now justify the other millions of abortions performed out of selfishness, inconvenience etc.! Pro-lifers my dear, are the ones that look beyond themselves and feel all life is sacred, valuable and deserves protection. Can you say that about the pro-death proponents who advocate life as nothing more than a choice. Do you think of yourself as a person...or a choice! That is the inconvenient truth!

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

And there you go with the double standard. You just said *all* life is sacred, then said if it was the result of a rape it's okay to abort. Women keep having to justify their reasons for abortion.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 26 2012,4:44 pm

Did God need a rib from a male pig to create a female pig?

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I assume you're referring to Mayo Clinic. Unfortunately for you, you're wrong. What's that about your vision and intelligence?

St. Mary's hospital. Heard of it?

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

There is no choice in cases of rape. Its a violent crime involving a perpetrator and a victim. If a pregency occurs than there are two victims, with the most innocent victim possibly paying the ultimate price.

A horrible, tragic, choice may have to be made if a pregency is truly high risk.

If your only reasoning to get an abortion is carelessness, or not being "ready", or worrying about how caring for a child will inconvienence your financial or social situation than you should not be partaking in behavior that can lead to pregnancy.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 26 2012,7:50 pm

Women, beware..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 27 2012,8:10 am

^ A really good debate about abortion between three people and this a-hole has to interject politics. :dunce:

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I assume you're referring to Mayo Clinic. Unfortunately for you, you're wrong. What's that about your vision and intelligence?

St. Mary's hospital. Heard of it?

St. Mary's does not offer obstetric or gynecologic care in the first place, it's all done at Methodist, where they do perform abortions. Kinda like how ALMC offers physical therapy services at the Health Reach campus. You can't say ALMC doesn't offer PT just because it's not done at every site.

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And who gets to decide that? You? Some panel of judges? The public? So not only is a women making quite possibly the hardest decision of her life, but then she gets to explain herself to a bunch of strangers, who get to decide her future.

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

And there you go with the double standard. You just said *all* life is sacred, then said if it was the result of a rape it's okay to abort. Women keep having to justify their reasons for abortion.

exactly where did I post abortion is okay in cases of rape :dunno:

Posted by busybee on Oct. 27 2012,12:47 pm

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And there you go with the double standard. You just said *all* life is sacred, then said if it was the result of a rape it's okay to abort. Women keep having to justify their reasons for abortion.

I agree with you SimpleLife... :clap:

Just makes me sad that so many in this "freedom driven country" choose to ONLY judge their own females as "bad" if they choose to abort a pregnancy even though they have no clue about how or under what type of circumstance the pregnancy occurred with a U.S. male to begin with.

What do statistics matter in this country when the ONLY focus of attention by U.S. Society is set in stone to be the sole responsibility and accountability of U.S. females of unwanted pregnancies... :dunno:

It's a no win situation for U.S. females...if they abort they are LABELED as "bad,"by U.S. Society. Yet, if they choose to have a child who was created with them by a U.S. male who has NO desire to share any of the financial obligation of being responsible for being a part of creating an unwanted pregnancy and/or "life" of a U.S. Citizen, the U.S. female is also labeled as "bad" by U.S. Society if they follow thru with an unwanted pregnancy and bring into U.S. Society an innocent child that "qualifies" for U.S. Government assistance programs because their U.S. Dad isn't making any type of financial contribution to the child's existence...

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 27 2012,1:06 pm

Maybe if the subject of sex wasn't so taboo, this whole argument would be moot. Then again, if we weren't holding up the Catholic Church as something Divine (it isn't anything of the sort, by the way) we wouldn't be in this mess.

You can see people butchered seven ways from Sunday on prime-time TV, and that's okay, but God forbid we see a pair of boobs, or a wang.

Until we get more real about the subject of sex, abortions are always going to have the stigma of females with loose morals attached to them, and that's just the way it is.

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Bravo.

I threw off those chains of sexual repression that were taught by the church years ago, the teachings were illogical. It is stupid and pointless to sit there and preach on how dirty the naked body is and how sinful it is to enjoy sex, either married or not. Sex is a natural behavior and trait.

It isn't just the catlicker church, it is pretty much all of them.
Bunch of goddamn prudes.
Although for the catlicker church seems to have its fair share of assrappin' priests. Guess they should remove the archaic rule of priests not getting married or buyin' a hooker or something.

The damn church needs to come out of the 16th century.

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And you're more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the hospital to deliver a baby than die giving birth to it. Anecdotes are fun!

Of course the victim would have to make that choice. I know this situation would be a horrible thing to deal with. It still does not change the fact that the most innocent victim will pay the largest price no matter which choice is made. It should be noted that pregnancies as a result of rape are an incredibly small percentage of total pregnancies.

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And there you go with the double standard. You just said *all* life is sacred, then said if it was the result of a rape it's okay to abort. Women keep having to justify their reasons for abortion.

I agree with you SimpleLife... :clap:

If your going to abortion solely as a form birth control you are going to judged poorly by society. And rightly so.

You talk about a double standard, yet you want the man to be financially responsible for a choice left solely up to the woman. Don't get me wrong, I believe the man should take the responsibility all the time. But, using your logic, society should not judge the man negatively for not providing support because he might not be "ready" or might not be in the right situation. Like I said I don't think this is right, just being the devils advocate.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2012,1:05 am

Jesus wouldn't be the Savior if Mother Mary would have been stoned to death for having an affair or being raped..

Lucky for us that she was impregnated by God..

Posted by hairhertz on Oct. 28 2012,6:30 am

Looking at the rendering of Jesus above and wondering how common are light colored eyes in the middle east?

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And there you go with the double standard. You just said *all* life is sacred, then said if it was the result of a rape it's okay to abort. Women keep having to justify their reasons for abortion.

I agree with you SimpleLife... :clap:

typical left-spin emptiness!! wow you generalize.
WHO said ANYONE who had an abortion was BAD. That was a dumb statement that only goes to prove you cannot debate this subject :dunce:

WHO made ANY double standard comments??!!
As a pro-LIFE proponent, I believe in women! not the governments description of women as helpless and needy just as you described. Daddy wont participate therefore this child doesnt deserve to live!!
Somewhere along the line you have allowed yourself to be dumbed-down when your primary argument is the guy wont help financially :violin:

You really have so little faith in womens abilities to be finanacialy independent?...or are you one of those that need a man to pay your way!

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Looking at the rendering of Jesus above and wondering how common are light colored eyes in the middle east?

Its interesting. In Germany, for example, Christ is darker skinned than in many US paintings. Since there are no original photographs, dont you suppose it makes sense for artists to make Jesus physical appearance regionally relatable??

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You really have so little faith in womens abilities to be finanacialy independent?...or are you one of those that need a man to pay your way!

OMG you of all people should be lecturing on financial responsibility, someone who’s spent her whole life on the Government Dole!
And dollars to dog turds now that you’re a widow you’ve applied for and are receiving more free Government money...
Shame on you Rebecca

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you mean loose ethics!
An ethical person knows, for example, something is wrong but does it anyway!
A moral person wont put themselves in that position! :angel:

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You really have so little faith in womens abilities to be finanacialy independent?...or are you one of those that need a man to pay your way!

Enlighten me oh cool one!
and exactly how do widows get more government dole! I could sure use it right about now :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 28 2012,11:49 am

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Enlighten me oh cool one!
and exactly how do widows get more government dole! I could sure use it right about now :thumbsup:

Why the charade you know how to apply for our tax dollars and you have. Why don’t you use that advanced degree get a real job make your own way in the world?
It really irks me when someone spouts financial responsibly to others when in actuality they’re receiving Government aid, V.A. welfare!

The V.A. system, general Welfare and S.S. Disability are plagued by malingers with entitlement attitude...

< http://www.vba.va.gov/bln/21/pension/spousepen.htm#2 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2012,11:56 am

^ what are you bitchin' about ?? You're on the union dole.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 28 2012,12:13 pm

That’s right, we all should make union wages, our labor should be rewarded!
The candidate/party you support doesn’t even believe in a minimum wage law, the downward spiral on wages will effect the less skilled jobs like yours.

but I’d love to see Romney kick the malingers off the V.A., Welfare & Disability Roles
It’s really too bad the Republican Party is so anti-labor!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2012,4:36 pm

No union here, and I'm rewarded quite handsomely

So how much should the minimum wage be??? And I seriously want an answer.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2012,4:38 pm

^ you too Moparman, how much?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2012,6:09 pm

(hairhertz @ Oct. 28 2012,6:30 am)

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Looking at the rendering of Jesus above and wondering how common are light colored eyes in the middle east?

Middle East Jesus?

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 28 2012,8:55 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2012,4:38 pm)

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^ you too Moparman, how much?

I'll use your amount... quite handsomely. Whatever that is? I never will understand the mentality that union folks are all overpaid and non union ones all deserve every penny they make. There are overpaid and underpaid employees in every workplace. It's sad we even need laws dictating a minimum wage. People should be fairly compensated for the work they do. The big business types need to realize they need to pay their employees enough to consume the products they make. Henery Ford had the right idea.

Posted by hairhertz on Oct. 29 2012,6:26 am

(Moparman @ Oct. 28 2012,8:55 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2012,4:38 pm)

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^ you too Moparman, how much?

Back in the day, the time that conservatives keep wanting to return to, only one person [usually dad] worked and made enough money to support the family.

How's that working today with the largest pay gap since the early 1900s?

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 29 2012,10:01 am

It’s a real shame the minimum wage isn’t tied to Congressional pay raises, The minimum wage has been increased 3 times in the last 30 years!
When work doesn’t pay we all pay, hirer tax to support the ever increasing folks in poverty , those who turn to crime cost US even more.
Why hasn’t the minimum wage increased with inflation, one word “Republicans” fight any increase in wages tooth & nail.
I really wonder how America would prosper if labor was rewarded “handsomely” to quote SB.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2012,10:46 am

^ I suppose it would matter what handsomely is. What does a person or a family need to survive. Do you need Internet? Cell phone? A 2nd car?Nor even a 1st car. Home? An apartment should surfice. What should minimum wage be? If we're saying that it should be enough to live on then it should probably be a sliding scale adjusted for geographics.

Most libs think that a worker should be able to afford the things I mentioned before and think it's a right, it's not. Pay should be on performance and what the market will bear.

We have the right to life, liberty and the "pursuit of happiness" and that's about it.

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 29 2012,6:00 pm

So what happens when you cut out all those "extras" and still cannot make it? I'm guessing most folks making minimum wage don't have these things. But let's take a look at these extras:

Internet: If you have kids might as well home school them as most schools require the internet to receive assignments, do research, etc..
As everything is being pushed toward paperless transactions home internet access becomes more necessary.

Cell phone: Cell phone, landline not really much difference in cost here.

1st car: Without it how are you going to get to work if public transportation is not available?
2nd car: Really only needed if your spouse works. Especially if it's a different shift, location, etc...

Home vs. apartment: Like phones not really much difference here. This would be very dependent on location.

Most of the Repubs want the worker to put out maximum performance on a minimum wage.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2012,6:55 pm

OK, let's start,

Internet can be had for free at the library.

Phone, either cell or land, is still a luxury.

Car, is a luxury too, if public transportation is not available the living close enough to work is a requirement.

Owning a home is a responsibility that a lot of people cannot comprehend. Wether it be the expense or the time require to maintain. Home ownership is not a right.

And lastly, the question for you is "do you price shop?" do you try to get the best value for your money? A business owner is just trying to do that, he's just trying to get the most value for his money.

Posted by grassman on Oct. 29 2012,9:10 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 29 2012,6:55 pm)

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Library hours are getting fewer due to cuts.
CB radios are extinct.
How many jobs are just a walk away.
Ownership of a home is becoming a problem because of tax burden.
You are in la la land man! :lalala:

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 29 2012,10:41 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 29 2012,6:55 pm)

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So you need to find a place close to the library,close to your job, close to the grocery store, pretty much close to everything? Um.... Ok....

Most people would consider that a luxury and it would cost a premium to live there.

Phones are not a luxury, ever heard of 911? Ever try to apply or a job, or anything for that matter, without a phone number? I suppose you could apply and wait to hear by mail if you got hired.... Good luck with that... :thumbsup:

Who said anything about home ownership being a right? The costs can be very comparable. So you really think someone making minimum wage is not capable of owning/maintaining a home?

No I don't generally price shop. I very rarely buy the cheapest thing I can find. I learned a long time ago you get what you pay for. I little higher investment on the front end saves money in the long run.

Posted by busybee on Oct. 29 2012,11:45 pm

You know what I think is WRONG with all of your theories...it's that YOU ALL ASSUME someone else has all the answers...thus...all you have to do is "pick sides" between political parties and YOU ASSUME all is RIGHT and JUST FOR ALL U.S. Children who "might be born" OR have been BORN...

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 30 2012,1:28 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 29 2012,6:55 pm)

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Internet can be had for free at the library.

The library isn't free. It's a socialist redistribution of wealth, and an unconstitutional one. :sarcasm:

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Owning a home is a responsibility that a lot of people cannot comprehend. Wether it be the expense or the time require to maintain. Home ownership is not a right.

It's moot, as moparman indicated it's simply an issue of value for dollars. Mortgage costs are down dramatically due to housing and low interest rates, and rent hasn't gone down, if anything it's gone up dramatically for apartments and houses. If a minimum wage person lives in a home they own for cheaper or the same as what they would pay for renting one, than why shouldn't they make a decision based on value?

Admit it, you think the poor and middle class in this country have it too good and the rich apparently don't have it good enough. That's what this election is really about if you listen to the rhetoric coming from both sides. :popcorn:

You folks think the 47% don't pay enough in taxes and are overpaid in wage, while the top 1% pays too much in taxes and CEO and investor compensation apparently is never enough. :crazy:

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 30 2012,3:07 am

(Santorini @ Oct. 26 2012,10:45 am)

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Regardless of which rhetoric it is, the decision should be left between a woman and her doctor. Don't you agree? Or are you advocating for the federal government to make the decision for them? :dunno:

If we want to limit unplanned pregnancies and thus abortions, why not have more places where women and men would get help with education, testing, prevention, and contraception? We could call these places "Planned Parenthood", since they would help prevent unplanned pregnancies. Seems like a win-win. :thumbsup:

Nah, maybe it's a better strategy to close as many of the above places as possible, limit access to preventative measures like contraception, and if anyone without an Adam's Apple disagrees with said strategy we'll call them sluts and tell them they should squeeze an aspirin between their knees. :sarcasm:

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Pro-lifers my dear, are the ones that look beyond themselves and feel all life is sacred, valuable and deserves protection. Can you say that about the pro-death proponents who advocate life as nothing more than a choice.

If we were talking about a man on a Texas death row I'm betting your "pro-life" facade would turn into pro-death pretty quick. Similar to if the topic was declaring war on Persia or predator drone strikes on bearded men in caves. But if the subject is a women walking into a Doctor's office with a half a centimeter embryo all of a sudden you're an advocate for life. The irony of most conservatives on this topic never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2012,4:45 am

(irisheyes @ Oct. 30 2012,1:28 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 29 2012,6:55 pm)

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Internet can be had for free at the library.

The library isn't free. It's a socialist redistribution of wealth, and an unconstitutional one. :sarcasm:

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Owning a home is a responsibility that a lot of people cannot comprehend. Wether it be the expense or the time require to maintain. Home ownership is not a right.

You folks think the 47% don't pay enough in taxes and are overpaid in wage, while the top 1% pays too much in taxes and CEO and investor compensation apparently is never enough. :crazy:

Good morning Kap,

Yes Internet at the library is technically not free, some of my hard earned tax dollars go to pay for it.

Housing prices are down and if you have the 20% down there are some real deals out there. I'm in the hunt to buy another one now and alot of them are foreclosures and the banks are getting tougher to deal with.

Rents are high right now, a lot of people lost or walked away from their homes and are renting, I think it's called getting what the market will bear. :sarcasm:

I have nothing against the 47% or whatever they are, I was there once too but I made it on my own.

Posted by hairhertz on Oct. 30 2012,5:50 am

Are taxes inherently evil? Can you imagine our society if there were no taxes collected?

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2012,2:00 pm

(Expatriate @ Oct. 28 2012,11:49 am)

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Enlighten me oh cool one!
and exactly how do widows get more government dole! I could sure use it right about now :thumbsup:

Can you say libel! First Ammendment doesnt protect you on this one.

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2012,2:11 pm

(Expatriate @ Oct. 28 2012,11:49 am)

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Enlighten me oh cool one!
and exactly how do widows get more government dole! I could sure use it right about now :thumbsup:

First off, a widow, has to be 60 years old to collect SS. (blows that theory of yours out of the water!) Never once received any welfare, but nice try.
But VA pension, now thats a thought! Thanks for the info!

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 30 2012,2:34 pm

(irisheyes @ Oct. 30 2012,3:07 am)

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(Santorini @ Oct. 26 2012,10:45 am)

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Actually Irish, I am against the death penalty :thumbsup:

I do not believe government dollars should pay for abortion, period, or any form of birth control. Why does the government have to enter the bedroom? Many of the PP have already closed :clap:

Sanger had some pretty radical views regarding reproduction, and whom should reproduce. She was a scarey lady and all PP is doing is perpetuating her ideology while making women believe its a good thing :crazy:

How selfish and narcissitic we have become as a society when we feel its somehow okay for mothers to kill their unborn children because they werent planned, aka, inconviences :angel:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 30 2012,5:27 pm

Over 40 million abortions occur worldwide each year and still hundreds of thousands of children starve to death each year..

People like you are pro-suffer, not pro-life..

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 30 2012,6:07 pm

So abortion is your cure for African third world suffering?

Again, whatever makes you feel better.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 30 2012,6:21 pm

Maybe if people stopped having sex like rabbits...

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 30 2012,7:29 pm

(Moparman @ Oct. 30 2012,6:07 pm)

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So abortion is your cure for African third world suffering?

Again, whatever makes you feel better.

What happens when the demand for food exceeds the amount of food produced? Food prices will skyrocket.. The poor will suffer and die from starvation..

Republicans already want to eliminate food stamps for the poor..

China already has a one child law.. Abortions/birth control are mandatory thereafter..

If you think the population is going to be controlled by abstinence, you're kidding yourself.. :crazy:

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 30 2012,11:40 pm

Yeah! Let's be more like China, that would be wonderful!

So what is the max number you think the world can support?

Do you really think world food production is really even close to being maxed out?

So you want mandatory abortions to control the population? And you think I'm crazy?

How many of your hundreds of thousands of people starving is due to overpopulation or some political whack job government?

So what happens when abortions cannot keep up? Who do you want to cull from the herd next, the old, the sick, the poor, who is next on your little hit list?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,10:10 am

Hunger Stats

870 million people do not have enough to eat and 98 percent of them live in developing countries. (Source: FAO news release,2012)
Asia and Oceania are home to around 564 million of the world’s hungry people.
(Source: FAO news release,2012)
Women make up a little over half of the world's population, but they account for over 60 percent of the world’s hungry.
(Source: Strengthening efforts to eradicate hunger..., ECOSOC, 2007)
Almost 15% of the population among developing countries is undernourished, or about 850 million people.
(Source: FAO news release, 2012)
Undernutrition contributes to five million deaths of children under five each year in developing countries.
(Source: Under five deaths by cause, UNICEF, 2006)
One out of four children - roughly 146 million - in developing countries is underweight
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)
More than 70 percent of the world's underweight children (aged five or less) live in just 10 countries, with more than 50 per cent located in South Asia alone;
(Source: Progress for Children: A Report Card on Nutrition, UNICEF, 2006)
10.9 million children under five die in developing countries each year. Malnutrition and hunger-related diseases cause 60 percent of the deaths;
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)
Iron deficiency is the most prevalent form of malnutrition worldwide, affecting an estimated 2 billion people. Eradicating iron deficiency can improve national productivity levels by as much as 20 percent.
(Source: World Health Organization, WHO Global Database on Anaemia)
Iodine deficiency is the greatest single cause of mental retardation and brain damage, affecting 1.9 billion people worldwide. It can easily be prevented by adding iodine to salt.
(Source: World Nutrition Situation 5th report ,UN Standing Committee on Nutrition2005)

< http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats >

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 31 2012,11:32 am

Do I need to repeat the questions?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,1:03 pm

Did I say we should be like China? :crazy:

All forms of birth control should be available to all women in the world along with an education of the effects of WORLD OVERPOPULATION..

If my daughter had an accidental pregnancy, I'd be fine with an abortion if that was her choice and if she wanted to advance her education to be able to provide for her family in the future..

Without an education, women are forced to be dependent with dependents and many times in poverty..

I'd prefer my grandkids to be raised in an independent family, free of support from others..

Starvation and a lack of clean drinking water will continue to cull the herd in the world, not abortions..

Overpopulation
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2012,2:21 pm

^accidental pregnancy? So much to say, it's good I have restraint.

Posted by Moparman on Oct. 31 2012,5:06 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 31 2012,1:03 pm)

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Did I say we should be like China? :crazy:

You referenced China. Did you not?

"Gee Dad, I was walking to school and next thing you know I accidentally got pregnant."

What if she "accidentally" got drunk and killed somebody in a car crash? Should she have a get out of jail free card for that also?

There is no such thing as an "accidental" pregency. It's a possible consequence of a certain behavior.

I'd rather have my grand kids sitting on my knee, not incinerated as medical
"waste".

Why can't young parents educate themselves and succeed?

How does getting an abortion gurarantee a prosperous independent life?

This is nothing but selfish thinking used to justify irresponsible behavior.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 31 2012,7:26 pm

Alcitizens, you crack me up.
First you use an un site as a source, using the united ninnies site as a source is the same as using a muscle car site to promote the dangers of high cholesterol; then you go off the deep end and post the all time nutter of them all, overpopulation BS. Whats next, the sky is blue because of climate change? :crazy:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,9:32 pm

If you kooks don't get it from WorldNutDaily or Breitbart you think its BS.. :dunce:

Obama is going to be our President for another four years.. Bam!!

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 31 2012,9:51 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 31 2012,9:32 pm)

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If you kooks don't get it from WorldNutDaily or Breitbart you think its BS.. :dunce:

Obama is going to be our President for another four years.. Bam!!

Oh lil lemming.
I don't need to any source to know why using anything by the un is biased and based on fiction. Seriously, the un should just have their reports published as works of fiction, maybe someday one of their writers just might make it to the new york times best sellers list.

Are you sure opuzzy is going to be re-elected? Seems to close to call so far.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,10:00 pm

Obama has a 78% chance of winning.. Better stock up on guns and ammo.. :sarcasm:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 31 2012,10:20 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 31 2012,10:00 pm)

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Obama has a 78% chance of winning.. Better stock up on guns and ammo.. :sarcasm:

Where did you hear that? msnbc?

Weapons and ammo? No problem here, just bought another 1000 rds of x855m 5.56x45

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,10:39 pm

Nate Silver's Political Calculus

Mr. Obama made gains in the FiveThirtyEight forecast on Tuesday, with his chances of winning the Electoral College increasing to 77.4 percent.

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 31 2012,10:53 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 31 2012,10:39 pm)

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A pollster from the ny times, please. Reading through the article the writer himself admits that this is just a personal forecast, and also makes note of the up, down polls in some swing states.

If you are just relying on one source for your poll info, you need to get out further into the internet.

There is a plethora of better sites than that of the ny times.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 31 2012,11:02 pm

Real Clear Politics Intrade Odds has it at: Obama 68.5% chance of winning..

< http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/ >

Nate Silver is also based on multiple polls..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2012,4:53 am

Think I'll just wait for theorning after. :blush:

Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2012,6:09 pm

irisheyes Posted on: Oct. 30 2012,3:07 am

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Again...

Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2012,7:17 pm

Self-Banished Posted on: Oct. 30 2012,4:45 am \

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Maybe people who "think" they can "afford" to own a home in the U.S. believe that's possible because the U.S. Government has determined "minimum wage" as the income U.S. companies are required to pay people who they employ in this country?

There has been and always will be more minimum wage employees than those who are paid a higher wage to hire them and decide what they're worth. Our Government has only made it worse for U.S. companies to pay it's employees a sufficient income to survive and be productive contributors to our economy and society.

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Yes Internet at the library is technically not free, some of my hard earned tax dollars go to pay for it.

Local Libraries are so much more than the "Internet," especially for young children who need exposure to literacy that they don't get at home or to compliment what they are getting from their home environment.

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Housing prices are down and if you have the 20% down there are some real deals out there. I'm in the hunt to buy another one now and alot of them are foreclosures and the banks are getting tougher to deal with.

Rents are high right now, a lot of people lost or walked away from their homes and are renting, I think it's called getting what the market will bear. :sarcasm:

People have been walking away from their mortgages since the year 2000/2001 from what I can see...thus not much has changed in over 10 years no matter what political party is in control. I think it's sad because prior to this...the majority of U.S. Citizen's really believed they could work for minimum wage and afford to own and/or KEEP their home.

[QUOTE]I have nothing against the 47% or whatever they are, I was there once too but I made it on my own.\[QUOTE]

Making it on your own is so much different today than years past...

Posted by busybee on Nov. 01 2012,9:19 pm

Santorini Posted on: Oct. 30 2012,2:34 pm

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Actually Irish, I am against the death penalty :thumbsup:

I do not believe government dollars should pay for abortion, period, or any form of birth control. Why does the government have to enter the bedroom? Many of the PP have already closed :clap:

How selfish and narcissitic we have become as a society when we feel its somehow okay for mothers to kill their unborn children because they werent planned, aka, inconviences :angel:

How selfish and narcissistic is it for anyone in the U.S. to assume every U.S. Defendant is innocent until proven guilty even though the "guilty facts are thrown out and no trial by Jury of Peers or Judge is ever done" due to plea bargain arrangements to a lessor crime or a complete dismissal of all charges because this is a way to "save" TIME AND MONEY" and is the best approach to the U.S. Judicial System?

It sounds like you have a great deal of sympathy, and would rather pay for and provide for the lives of those who have been found guilty of murdering/harming others with cruelty and malice, when they are incarcerated for being found guilty of it, than dare to have the same type of compassion for those who might have HONESTLY screwed up, or had their lives screwed up by another by getting pregnant, without any intentions of being malicious, cruel or being guilty of a crime.

If I'm wrong...please tell me because I don't see how a woman who chooses abortion because the child she is impregnated with was created from a rape should ever be judged as harshly and denied your hard earned tax money for an abortion at a Planned Parenthood because you decided she has NO RIGHT to do this because of all the "women" who haven't been raped.

If you have no problem "paying" for a U.S. citizen to be incarcerated for life instead of being put to death when they have been found guilty of murdering an unborn child and their mother, why do you judge and label every U.S. Female's decision to have an abortion as "criminal" and make it such an issue and "tax expense" on your life?

Were you aware of the FACT that most of the time in the U.S. the murderer of a pregnant U.S. female and the unborn child is the father...???

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2012,9:23 pm

^ Honey, I've been making it on my own for 30'years.

Posted by busybee on Nov. 02 2012,1:28 am

Moparman Posted on: Oct. 31 2012,5:06 pm ]

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No...she shouldn't get any more of a get out of jail for free card than a male who got drunk and killed somebody in a car car crash because both genders have the capacity to commit the same crime in equality without "gender bias."

It's NOT the same when it comes to unwanted pregnancies in the U.S.

If a US. male has sex with 3 fertile females in a week and all of them get pregnant...HE gets the benefit of the doubt because all three of the females are seen as the "irresponsible ones" because HE isn't capable of getting pregnant...only the three females he had sex with are capable of such a horrible crime against U.S. Society.

And..It's the 3 females who have to PROVE HE is the father of all of their children, with a paternity test in the U.S...no matter if they did or didn't have sex with any other man that week or within the past year.

ONLY AFTER that PROOF is provided does any of the 3 U.S. females have any right to pursue the "legal recourse" of accountability of the U.S. male to help provide any financial responsibility for their pregnancy, live birth of his child and food, shelter, clothing, ect...until the child graduates from high school or reaches the age of 18 years.

And then...even if the U.S. Male is found to have fathered all 3 children with 3 different U.S. Females in one week thru paternity testing...no matter a court order for "child support..."...if he doesn't have sufficient income to financially contribute to provide financially for one or all 3 of his children or chooses to hide his real income thru being self-employed as a U.S. Citizen...it's going to be the children who he created who have to suffer in the long run for that...yet some in U.S. Society want to blame ONLY a U.S. MOTHER who didn't have an abortion for the creation of a lifelong burden on U.S. tax payers because the child's biological father can't/won't contribute finacially and others in U.S. Societhy choose to blame and judge her as an "evil" U.S. Citizen if she had an abortion instead.

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There is no such thing as an "accidendtal" pregency. It's a possible consequence of a certain behavior.

Yep...you're right. However the focus and blame continues to BE ONLY ON U.S. Females just because they are the only gender who can get pregnant...

Posted by busybee on Nov. 02 2012,1:36 am

Self-Banished · Posted on Nov. 01 2012,9:23 pm

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^ Honey, I've been making it on my own for 30'years.

I'm glad for you and have done the same!

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 02 2012,6:11 pm

(busybee @ Nov. 02 2012,1:28 am)

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There is no such thing as an "accidendtal" pregency. It's a possible consequence of a certain behavior.

Yep...you're right. However the focus and blame continues to BE ONLY ON U.S. Females just because they are the only gender who can get pregnant...

The pill and condoms are not 100% successful in preventing pregnancy.. Trust Me..

I also know a couple that got pregnant again within six weeks of having a baby, accidentally, while on the pill.. They got an abortion because they were not ready financially for the first child let alone a second..

Posted by Moparman on Nov. 02 2012,9:39 pm

(busybee @ Nov. 02 2012,1:28 am)

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Moparman Posted on: Oct. 31 2012,5:06 pm ]

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There is no such thing as an "accidendtal" pregency. It's a possible consequence of a certain behavior.

Yep...you're right. However the focus and blame continues to BE ONLY ON U.S. Females just because they are the only gender who can get pregnant...

It takes both genders to create a pregnancy. And no pregnancy can be truely unwanted if two adults engage in consensual sex.

Who sees the females as the only irresponsible ones? Your really think society is not going to look down on this man?

If your sleeping with a guy that is simultaneously sleeping with that many other partners maybe you need to reevaluate your social life. Not only are you risking pregnancy, but also contracting a STD. Again this is a lifestyle choice. And a very risky one at that. It would be smart for a man to get a paternity test if he was living this risky lifestyle.

What about the U.S. males that are ordered to pay child support for kids that are not even theirs? Or what about The U.S.females using their children's support to buy stuff for the new boyfriend.

How is this a lifetime burden to tax payers? Your claiming this "unwanted" child has no chance to a productive member of society?

I'm guessing a dude out impregnating 3 women in a week is not smart enough to be self employed much less hide his income, not in a legal profession anyway.

All of the situations you bring up are the fault of the lack of responsibility attitude that is so predominate in society today. It's not the fault of the innocent and not a valid reason to use abortion solely as a form of birth control.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2012,7:06 am

(busybee @ Nov. 02 2012,1:36 am)

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Self-Banished · Posted on Nov. 01 2012,9:23 pm

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^ Honey, I've been making it on my own for 30'years.

I'm glad for you and have done the same!

Wow, impressive, especially with kids! No help from the county? Aren't you the one with the dirtbag ex? All this and you have your own business too? Truly impressive.

Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 04 2012,1:53 am

(Moparman @ Nov. 02 2012,9:39 pm)

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And no pregnancy can be truely unwanted if two adults engage in consensual sex.

You may have to explain this to me like I'm a five year old. Cause I'm of the opinion that people can have sex and really not want a pregnancy to result from it.

Santorini:

QUOTE

Actually Irish, I am against the death penalty :thumbsup:

I stand corrected.

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I do not believe government dollars should pay for abortion, period, or any form of birth control. Why does the government have to enter the bedroom?

Why not have funding for birth control? That wouldn't violate your views on abortion; to the contrary, it would actually reduce abortions by preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place. As well as cancer and STD screenings that might not take place otherwise.

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Many of the PP have already closed :clap:

And where did you get this information? I can call up a couple friends who visited Planned Parenthood for screenings, find out if they've been indoctrinated into these radical views you speak of. I kinda doubt it because some have views similar to yours in regards to abortions and family values, they just needed screenings and didn't have insurance.

I've never even been in a Planned Parenthood, but I've talked to so many people that have been helped by them that it's hard to understand why people would advocate seeing them closing all over. Or why the republican Congress gets into power and spends billions more every year on weapons and military aid to Middle East countries but wants to cut costs when it comes to helping women get pap smears, women and men get screening for STD's, and give out condoms or birth control. The result is you'll have people spreading disease or unwanted pregnancies that either result in abortions or 9 months later a child will arrive to the same low-income couple just in time for the same republicans who wanted to close PP in the first place to switch gears and complain about rising food stamp costs and families in poverty.

Planned Parenthood was and still is a great solution to unplanned pregnancies, as well as the spread of cancer and STD's.

But maybe we can just go back to preaching abstinence, waiting til marriage, etc. I'm sure that will do the trick. :sarcasm:

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 04 2012,6:33 am

The Hyde Amendment doesn't allow federal funding of abortions except for in cases of incest, forcible rape and the life of the woman.

It was named for its chief sponsor, Republican Congressman Henry Hyde..

President Obama issued an executive order on March 24, 2010 affirming that the Hyde Amendment would extend to the Affordable Care Act..

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment >

Posted by hairhertz on Nov. 04 2012,8:19 am

Do female congress people ever author these type of bills?

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 05 2012,10:30 pm

(Moparman @ Oct. 31 2012,5:06 pm)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 31 2012,1:03 pm)

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If my daughter had an accidental pregnancy, I'd be fine with an abortion if that was her choice and if she wanted to advance her education to be able to provide for her family in the future..

Without an education, women are forced to be dependent with dependents and many times in poverty..

I'd prefer my grandkids to be raised in an independent family, free of support from others..

I'd rather have my grand kids sitting on my knee, not incinerated as medical
"waste".

This is nothing but selfish thinking used to justify irresponsible behavior.

Even more disturbing is that alcitizen is a flaming liberal yet is concerned about his own grandkids being"raised in an independent family, free of support from others..."
The term hypocrite comes to mind. :oops:

Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 02 2013,9:11 pm

(irisheyes @ Oct. 11 2012,5:20 am)

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If republicans like to lecture everyone else about morality, personal responsibility, family values, etc. You can't be surprised when they're called out on their hypocrisy.

Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 03 2013,7:34 am

^^^

Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 03 2013,11:59 am

Incandescent bulbs? Really?

Now they've gone too far!

Posted by jaaah on Apr. 05 2013,8:15 pm

A woman needs to ok her husbands vasectomy, but can kill his child without his ok...hypocritical!

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 05 2013,11:15 pm

That's one of the dumbest things ever posted on this forum.

Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 06 2013,2:19 am

Maybe someone should repost the Charlie Brown strip again. Clearly, that's the elephant in the room...

Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 10 2013,7:07 pm

(Common Citizen @ Apr. 02 2013,9:11 pm)

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What country do you guys live in where you can't smoke, buy a large soda, incadescent light bulbs, a gun, or pray?

Or wait, those are all the country that the two minutes of hate (FOX, talk radio) describe. Gotcha, now the cartoon makes sense. :;):

Posted by Glad I Left on Apr. 10 2013,8:04 pm

(irisheyes @ Apr. 10 2013,7:07 pm)

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What country do you guys live in where you can't smoke, buy a large soda, incadescent light bulbs, a gun?

New York City?

Posted by busybee on Apr. 17 2013,11:30 pm

jaaah · Posted on Apr. 05 2013,8:15 pm

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A woman needs to ok her husbands vasectomy, but can kill his child without his ok...hypocritical!

How many U.S women do you know who have made their husband have a vasectomy and also aborted their unborn child without their knowledge or consent with the full support of the U.S. Government??

Posted by jaaah on Apr. 19 2013,6:03 pm

(busybee @ Apr. 17 2013,11:30 pm)

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jaaah · Posted on Apr. 05 2013,8:15 pm

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A woman needs to ok her husbands vasectomy, but can kill his child without his ok...hypocritical!

How many U.S women do you know who have made their husband have a vasectomy and also aborted their unborn child without their knowledge or consent with the full support of the U.S. Government??

I do know women who have had abortions without telling the father of that child. It is hypocritical to use the "It's my body I can do what I want" for one gender but not the other.

Posted by Liberal on Apr. 19 2013,10:07 pm

A woman has no say in a man's vasectomy, just like a man has no say in a woman getting her tubes tied, you'd have to be a complete moron to believe otherwise.

Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2013,11:02 pm

^ every sperm is sacred
every sperm is great
if a sperm is wasted
God will be irate :rofl:

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2013,10:00 am

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2013,10:15 am

Thank God that news clip didn't describe the horrible horrible things that the doctor had done. I don't know much about this whole thing. I have tried a couple of different times to check into it but instantly I get sick to my stomach hearing just a couple of things that have come up in court. Just seeing this man's face makes me feel ill. I kept my mouse on the pause for the video just in case.
There's a lot of talk in the alternative news area that is pointing out that Attorney General Eric Holder's wife owns the building with this abortion clinic in it. ( I have a feeling you already know that MADDOG). But like I said, I can't check into this story very much because it is so hideous and disgusting, and I wish more people would report this story like that Fox video did. Without the horrific details.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2013,11:35 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 24 2013,10:15 am)

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There's a lot of talk in the alternative news area that is pointing out that Attorney General Eric Holder's wife owns the building with this abortion clinic in it. ( I have a feeling you already know that MADDOG).

Holder's wife is the co-owner (with her sister) of Old National GYN, an abortion clinic in Atlanta. Obviously of Attorney General has bias against pro-lifers. A coworker,
abortionist Tyrone Malloy is under indictment for Medicaid fraud.

Of course Holder is silent about the trial and Obama, well...ask Jay Carney

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2013,11:48 am

So far the judge has thrown out 3 of the murder charges. I just read what the internet search shows on the Kermit Gosnell trial. I don't dare read any of the articles, I'm sure they're full of the horrific details.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2013,1:57 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 24 2013,11:48 am)

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I don't dare read any of the articles, I'm sure they're full of the horrific details.

some of the articles are just plain gruesome. One of the easier ones. Well, as long as you don't read the whole article.

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For over 30 years, Dr. Kermit Gosnell ran the Women's Medical Society in Philadelphia. Ostensibly, this was a women's health clinic, where abortions were performed, but also where women could get check ups and prescriptions.

In a normal clinic, the walls are white, the lights are bright, and everything is sterilized and sparkling clean.

In Dr. Gosnell's world, the walls, the furniture, the chairs, the hospital beds, were bloodstained. The surgical tools used to operate on women often went uncleaned between patients. Fetal parts were kept in the freezer and in jars that lined the hallways. Medical equipment -- tools used for saving lives -- were broken and corroded. The office was a dangerous maze of narrow hallways, which made moving women from floor to floor or room to room difficult.

But these unsanitary conditions were only part of the egregious violations that Gosnell and his cast of unsavory characters allegedly performed on a regular basis at this clinic. < abortion mill >

Trust me. After reading this story I'd sooner have a lunch date with Jeffrey Dahmer. And yet, main stream media doesn't want to talk about this.

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According to the report, Gosnell engaged in the inexplicable and unnecessary practice of severing fetal feet and storing them in jars. Gosnell allegedly claimed that the feet were kept as DNA samples in case of a need to prove paternity; however medical experts brought in to testify before the grand jury all dismissed this claim, stating that a tiny tissue sample would be enough for a DNA sample.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 25 2013,9:43 am

Planned Parenthood may not have a Little Shop of Horrors quite like Gosnell, but their attitude and public stance is very similar.

Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 26 2013,7:24 am

I think the pro-life community should begin running ads on TV showing dead unborn babies to draw the country's attention to the sanctioned genocide in this country.

I mean, if the anti-smoking lobby can run ads of dying people with oxygen tanks in wheel chairs and the DNC can run ads of throwing elderly people over a cliff...why not?

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 26 2013,10:06 am

Maybe Obama will surround himself with the remains of botched abortions when he speak at Planned Parenthood's annual gala Friday.

How can anyone respect a president who has no respect for infant life himself.

Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 29 2013,2:41 pm

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Forty two days ago, on March 18, 2013, abortionist Kermit Gosnell went on trial, charged with the grisly murder of multiple babies and a patient. Yet, in the seven weeks that followed, ABC News has permitted no coverage, discussion or mention of the case, not even a single utterance of Dr. Gosnell’s name.

But that’s not due to lack of interest in shocking criminal cases. Over the same 42 days, the Media Research Center found that ABC’s Good Morning America has aired 41 stories — about one per day — on other sensational criminal cases, including the Amanda Knox re-trial and the Jodi Arias case, totaling 109 minutes of coverage.

So it would seem that ABC doesn’t have a problem delivering the gruesome details of murder cases to morning show viewers, suggesting that the networks’ blackout of the Gosnell case has more to do with the negative light it shines on the abortion industry.

Over six weeks of weekday and weekend coverage, GMA featured the Arias case 22 times. Arias is accused of stabbing and slitting the throat of Travis Alexander, her ex-boyfriend. Clearly, the producers and hosts of the morning show aren’t worried about discussing stomach-churning details. The Associated Press recounted the graphic accusations against Gosnell, including testimony by some of the abortion clinic’s workers that they "'snipped' babies' necks after they were born alive to make sure they died."

More proof that the left wing controls the lame stream media in this country.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 29 2013,5:28 pm

CC, you forgot this.

Posted by busybee on May 01 2013,12:50 am

MADDOG · Posted on Apr. 25 2013,9:43 am

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Planned Parenthood may not have a Little Shop of Horrors quite like Gosnell, but their attitude and public stance is very similar.

REALLY???

Do you have proof that in all the years that Planned Parenthood's have been in communities in the U.S. that they were ever a "Little Shop of Horrors?

Posted by MADDOG on May 01 2013,6:39 am

Good Grief, did you watch the video in that post? Simply by keeping silent abzout Gosnell when they knew what was going on I consider advocating what he did. Women (ex-employees) coming forward and telling their stories of how they watched as fetus' were put in solutions "to make sure they weren't alive." Spokesmen for PP turning their backs when asked what happens when an abortion is botched and the fetus survives.

Let me ask you this BB, when is it OK to murder and innocent young life?

Posted by busybee on May 06 2013,1:24 am

MADDOG · Posted on May 01 2013,6:39 am

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Let me ask you this Maddog...

Do you believe in the right to bear arms in the U.S...with a specific focus being on a "gun" as a weapon?

If you do believe in the right of every American to own a "gun" and any organization that supports this right, then you already KNOW that there's been a lot of controversy lately about "gun ownership rights" because of the FRUIT LOOPS who have decided that it's OK to murder innocent young lives with a gun.

Do you blame the NRA/it's employees/and everyone who supports gun ownership rights in the U.S. for being a SILENT and KNOWING PARTICIPANT of any and all crimes that have been committed and resulted in the untimely death of an innocent young life when a GUN was involved???

Posted by MADDOG on May 06 2013,6:48 am

Wow, you really took some time to make a comparison to guns and abortions?

I do believe in gun ownership. Why? Well, for one, it's one of my enumerated rights granted under the Constitution. Gun ownership does not give a person a license to kill. :dunno:

Does a medical license hanging on some doctaors wall give him that right? When does that medical certificate give him that right? I have the right to defend myself and my property from assailants who choose to endanger me or my family.

I guess if you want choose comments on fruit loops, lets include those like Gosnell. I'd say he's a mass murderer. Let's choose those who work for PP who support killing innocent lifes so young they, themselves can not even protect themselves.

Posted by busybee on May 08 2013,1:10 am

MADDOG · Posted on May 06 2013,6:48 am

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Wow, you really took some time to make a comparison to guns and abortions?

I guess I wasn't thinking of it as a comparison between the two topics as much as I am trying to point out that the belief system a U.S. person has about either of the topics can make or break who and/or what they are going to blame for problems that go along with what is considered to be organized, protected and valuable U.S. RIGHT.

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I do believe in gun ownership. Why? Well, for one, it's one of my enumerated rights granted under the Constitution.

There are so many things that the Constitution didn't grant you with any enumerated rights to do or prohibit you from doing, so what guides you in knowing the difference between what is worthy of your support and what isn't when the topic wasn't included and addressed in the U.S. Constitution???

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Gun ownership does not give a person a license to kill.

I never claimed or wrote that gun ownership gives a person a license to kill. :dunno:

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Does a medical license hanging on some doctaors wall give him that right? When does that medical certificate give him that right?

I never claimed or made any reference to what a U.S. Licensed Medical Doctor has any rights to do to their U.S. patients as determined by US law.

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I have the right to defend myself and my property from assailants who choose to endanger me or my family.

Thank the heavens you have been granted with those rights by those who wrote the constitution. NO worries for you...

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I guess if you want choose comments on fruit loops, lets include those like Gosnell. I'd say he's a mass murderer. Let's choose those who work for PP who support killing innocent lifes so young they, themselves can not even protect themselves.

I'm not going to LABEL or BLAME Planned Parenthood or those who work for the Planned Parenthood Organizations in the U.S. as if each and everyone of them are supporters of Gosnell's choices. That's NOT even close to being a reality even though you seem to be wanting to assert that it is.

Posted by MADDOG on May 08 2013,12:02 pm

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Because I'm a Christian, I'd say that the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights are what I try to have guide me.

You seem to be trying to micro analyze my statement by separating two sentences

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Gun ownership does not give a person a license to kill.

and

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Does a medical license hanging on some doctaors wall give him that right? When does that medical certificate give him that right?

I didn't label all who work for PP. I said those who work for Planned Parenthood and support killing innocent lives.

Posted by Botto 82 on May 08 2013,12:09 pm

The fact that the Supreme Court declared that corporations are people ( :crazy:

) could theoretically call into question any number of their rulings, i.e. Roe v. Wade. Consider...

Posted by MADDOG on May 13 2013,1:43 pm

The jurors have reached a verdict in the Gosnell trial. The public is awaiting the jurors to report it. The jury is divided over two of the more than 200 charges. :popcorn:

Posted by Liberal on May 13 2013,2:21 pm

Guilty on 4 counts of 1st degree murder.

Posted by busybee on May 20 2013,12:37 am

MADDOG · Posted on May 08 2013,12:02 pm

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Because I'm a Christian, I'd say that the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights are what I try to have guide me.

Unfortunately, a lot of people besides yourself believe they are just as qualified in having the RIGHT to KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT is considered a Christian WAY of thinking when it comes to the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights in the U.S.

Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,9:36 am

(Common Citizen @ Apr. 26 2013,7:24 am)

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MCCL (Minnesota citizens concerned for life). Bi-partisan right to life organization...nothing held back or sugar coated when it comes to the horrors these helpless victims face.

Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,9:53 am

(busybee @ May 01 2013,12:50 am)

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MADDOG · Posted on Apr. 25 2013,9:43 am

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Planned Parenthood may not have a Little Shop of Horrors quite like Gosnell, but their attitude and public stance is very similar.

REALLY???

Do you have proof that in all the years that Planned Parenthood's have been in communities in the U.S. that they were ever a "Little Shop of Horrors?

actually BB he's right! April 23 the MN house passed a bill that would require MN abortion clinics need to be licensed and include inspections which currently they do not...the senate voted it down!! Little shop of horrors?? We'll never know! But on the bright side they also passed an amendment so insurance companies don't have to cover abortions :thumbsup:

Posted by MADDOG on May 20 2013,10:50 am

(MADDOG @ May 08 2013,12:02 pm)

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Because I'm a Christian, I'd say that the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights are what I try to have guide me.

You seem to be trying to micro analyze my statement by separating two sentences

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Gun ownership does not give a person a license to kill.

and

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Does a medical license hanging on some doctaors wall give him that right? When does that medical certificate give him that right?

I didn't label all who work for PP. I said those who work for Planned Parenthood and support killing innocent lives.

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Who is talking about being qualified in having the right to knowledge? You asked for my opinion and I gave it.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 08 2014,11:27 am

Kermit Gosnell is what is described as the most copious serial killer who has ever lived and perhaps one of the least known.

Indiegogo.com has launched a campaign to see if enough interest is there to make a movie made for TV about Kermit Gosnell. The man who killed more person than any other in America.